Sony A7C II vs A7IV- Don't choose wrong
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- Putting the brand new Sony A7C II against the older Sony A7 IV. Both have the exact same 33MP BSI CMOS sensor that has super impressive image quality.
The biggest differences is the ergonomics and will the A7CII be a better camera for you than the A7IV?
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00:44 Price
01:10 Sensor
01:29 EVF
02:20 SD card slot
02:52 HDMI
03:23 Flip screen
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05:08 Joystick
05:59 A7CR
06:17 AI Processor
07:41 Auto framing
09:34 IBIS improvements
11:23 Image quality
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#sonyalpha #sonya7cii #sonya7cr
As an a7IV owner from release, I'm not mad at the few minor upgrades in the CII. I would have lost it if they magically gave it uncropped 4K60 though.
I’m not mad either
9000% would have lost it as well.
In that case, with that body, it would have been a tiny oven.
@@AlphaCentauri24 well... crafties aren't available on every production set so I guess having a tiny oven helps.
Tbh, I haven't had a Sony camera overheat on me for years. The last camera that overheated on me was the Canon R5C. When that happened, I was already resigned to how Canon was, I just sighed and took out the a7iv that I brought just in case. (I was shooting in a lot of super hot kitchens at that point of time.)
@@AlphaCentauri24 In real world use, most people aren't using 4k60 for extended recording. Most use it for short clips they plan to slow down.
How the 4k 60p in crop factor mode on the a7cII compare to 4k 60p on a FX30/a6700 when regarding low light? are they virtually the same or a FF sensor is still better even in crop mode?
Very similar.
A7 IV is still great camera. But if I were buying today, would have gotten the CII because, 7 stops of IBIS and the New AutoFocus are reasonable upgrades. I’m not a professional photographer, so second SD card slot or full size HDMI are not really a necessity for me
It's actually annoying they don't just make an a7iv ii. So you get the more pro body and new features. Very weird to have all these better features in slightly worse cameras. The a6700 is better than the A7iv and FX30 in features but is worse in pro must haves. It's soooooo irritating to keep splitting the offerings so much. Just put an ai chip in a new A7iv, a7siii, etc instead of making the budget cameras better but also not suitable for pro use. Very odd. As you say, you're not a professional but things like a micro hdmi.... Let's just say I'm never going back to micro hdmi 😅
@@jambononi helloo ! can u plz say what r the pro must haves that the a6700 is missing i m really confused between a7cii and a6700 just cuz of the full frame sensor so better dynamic range but whats annoying on other hand is 1.5x crop factor
Thank you so much Jason for the informative and helpful comparison video! God bless and good luck!
Hi Jason, thanks for the overview. Which would you choose for a professional main camera if you had to choose now and why?
CRAZY! very similar... The shots of Kareen look EPIC too btw 🔥
I have the problem that my Sony A7iv recordings simply break off in between, sometimes I can film for 30 minutes with the cards and sometimes it breaks off after a few seconds, works again and sometimes not, I use a "Sandisk Extreme PRO 170MB/s , V30, 128GB" and a "Lexar 2000x, V90, 300Mb/s, 128GB" video setting: "XAVC S 4K, 30p, 10Bit" do you have any idea what could be the reason?
Very good explanation of two product, Thanks
Hi Jason and the community. Would appreciate any short answer. Which hybrid camera to buy: 7CII / 7IV/ or 7CR My basic needs and only focus are photos/VIDEOS (KEY FACTOR) for REAL ESTATE (can't afford Sony 7R V). Where is better VIDEO quality? Other factors "doesn't matter" at this point. Thank you for your time. (not my first research... but asking on a channel I follow a lot).
Great comparison 👏 I might be wrong but isn’t another advantage of the CII over the IV and even the E1 its ability to livestream via usb-c at a usable frame rate?
Hi Jason, thanks for making this video, I wonder whether this camera has dual native ISO, and what are the numbers? Thank you very much.
800 and 3200
As an A7IV owner, I think Sony did a great job with the A7C II. I personally like the bigger grip & customizable buttons + Joystick and higher resolution screen + EVF more on the A7IV more but I honestly thought the 7 stops of IBIS would make a bigger difference than shown here.
I think other manufacturers do a better job of in-camers video stabalization though.
Either way, Sony has a camera for everyone in the market tbh.
Good video. Appreciate the effort 👍🏼
I see an A75 in the future. What I can do with the a6700, which has A7R5 DNA, is better by a long shot than either the my A74 and a6600, which is a great camera for general use. That AI chip makes a difference.
Hey Jason, could you please check this : Video mode Full HD 100 fps. Does breathing compensation and Active Steady still work? Because with the A74, these two things only work up to 50 fps. Thank you very much ❤
Jason once again thank you for a detailed video. I will be keeping my 2x A7IV for wedding photography & videography. Might upgrade to the a7R5 in the coming months for photography and the fx3 for video. Love your videos.
Smart choice
I love your videos ❤❤❤
I love the compact form factor and upgrades (AF, Timelapse, etc.), but I use every custom button on my A7IV and not sure if I could do without them.
I'm with you man I even need more buttons!
Yeah custom buttons on my a7iv are super useful
This.
I'm curious when it's released internationally and if it overheats?
I really like the idea of the A7cII however I think the sensible option is still the A7iv. The better EVF, second SD cars slot and full size HDMI are all valuable reasons to spend a hit more and carry around a slightly larger camera.
I’d say if you’re choosing to pick a camera for professional purposes, you’d be shooting yourself in the foot by choosing the A7C
I have owned the nex 5, a6000, a6300, a6600, and now use the a7iv. The bigger body just feels right. No regrets.
Nice one mate …I’m thinking of getting the A7 IV now
Would you recommend the Sony ZV-E1 first for content, especially for videos?
i guess the only real question is - do you pick the zve1 or a7cii? is the dynamic active stabilization worth more then the 33mp?
Those are different cameras to compare, the zv-e1 is a baby fx-3 without the fan to cool it, it has better low light performance with the second base iso at 12800 whereas the a7cii is 2500 or 6400 i believe. The zv-e1 is for video shooters who want that pro sensor but on a budget, not meant for photos really and the a7cii is a hybrid for photos and video
I’m from a sony zv1 user and loved how compact it is. But now looking to upgrade, is a7cii a better option vs a7iv, zve1 or a7c is good enough? I cant afford a7siii :)
A7iv owner here. The A7c ii seems like a great kit! Only thing that kills it for me is the lack of a second card slot. Otherwise, I’d say Sony has a great camera on their hands.
type A cards I prefer a lot
does anyone know when you crop in for 4k 60 does the low light performance degrade at all because of the crop or is it the same image quality just zoomed in??
thanks for unbiased review
Thanks
My main was A7ii and my secondary is a6300 but my A7ii just broke down on me considering a new main camera any suggestions mainly photo work here!
your video is the best compare between thats camera in all of the video. i saw all video from compare theese and with your video i can select my choice
I went to buy Sony ZV E-1, almost billed it but a friend asked for a7iv and we did a small 10 mins research and bought it. Now I can confidently say I took a good decision. You showed me some of the a7iv footage that blew me away. Also it was only 10000 Indian rupees difference so it was a no brainer. Was a big fan of a7iii so a7iv was a no brainer.
Debating between a7c II or a7 IV
I don’t care about cII only having one sd card slot.
Which do you think would be best in the long run to grow into it (amateur skill right now)
Does the A7cII suffer the same over heating problem of the A7 IV??
how's the Auto white balance? are the A7IV and A7cii the same?
Just ordered the a7cII as my first camera ever. Super excited. Great video (:
That's quite a first camera! Enjoy :)
@@mrcojocaruI ordered A7 IV for first camera with 200-600mm 😂 might cry a bit later with all the money i spent.
i bought a7iii a year ago i am crying XD
Hi, it was great
Do you think Sony zv e1 or a7cii is better for video?
12:52 that bokeh does look quite weird due to the EFCS only type shutter, fixable with an ND filter. Anyways, I think the A7IV is for professionals and DSLR nostalgics like me, A7CII more for enthusiasts looking for a smaller size body.
Jason if you were me a beginner who wants a camera mainly for video indoors. What Sony camera should I buy. Full frame. Please include a lens as well. Thank you.
either one of these plus a tamron 28-75mm f2.8 will be amazing
I don't know I could see a good improvement between the ibis on your footage, not sure why you are seeing it differently, nothing game changing but I.could see it
Better heat management between A7C ii or ZV E1?
seems to be a7c ii
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema nice! Sony has made it quite interesting this year for the first time buyers, but all awesome cams. Thanks for all the great videos you’ve made covering them. 🙏🤘
does Sony A7C II has same issue as sony a7iv overheat ?
hi im beginner at camera and look for this came ... and i wanna ask about those 4k60fps crop things .. do this things is can be updated from the software or just literaly be it..?
The number of camera announcements is overwhelming overwhelming overwhelming overwhelming. Thank you for trying to make sense of them.
Thanks! I am looking for an upgrade for wedding photography. I am happy not having dual SD. Would you recommend the A7C II?
Single slot for wedding photography? And if the card fails, you're gonna ask them to re-do the wedding?
🤣@@ljubosvetijeljiski7023
I once knew a person who shot a wedding with a single sd card, i also remember that person getting sued in court. Now he carries 2 cameras and they both have dual slots 😂
Greetings!! Another amazing comparison. If you know someone with the S5ii or s5iix I would love to see you compare it to sony. 6k to go!! Give this man a Silver button for Xmas!
Haha I would love to play with the lumix for sure
can they finally give the a74 the software update for uncropped 4k60?? this is really tiresome knowing, that its capable doing it
are you able to use the lut for the hdmi output??
The big different for me is shutter speed 1/4000 vs 1/8000
Would you rather have the 7CII or the Panasonic 5S IIx? For video
definitely s5iix
Great review but looking forward to the Sony A7CR!
Thanks. Coming soon
I can't find any information on HDMI output modes anywhere. How about raw oversampled 4k to atomos ninja V?
No raw for either
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema 16 bit raw possible for sony a7c r
@@seroTech no it is not unfortunately
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema the a7cR have 16 Bit raw video output - I got this information in the video from jason vong and also DPReview.
I have already commented this on a couple of videos, but, depending on where you live, the A7IV might actually be cheaper new than the A7CII due to sales and other such promos. Such is the case in Bulgaria, where the A7IV is currently 150-200 Euro cheaper than the listed prices for the A7CII.
the a7c ii sensor can't be closed like a7iv? and is there a weather seal like a7iv?
and the memory can use cf express?
shutter can be closed when shut off like a7iv. no CF type A. weather sealing similar
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema Wow, it turns out that the sensor can be closed, like the A7IV, I don't think it can because it wasn't demoed... and how good if it's weather-resistant, you can't cf ex A, but can you do it for Type B and others? Thank you in advance for helping answer
Can you turn the a7cii into a cinema camera like you can the a7iv. I’ve seen people shoot entire high quality movies with the a7iv but no one has tested this with the a7cii so far that’s just impressive to me yet
Please tell about heat management because a7iv already heats then it's default that a7cii will over heat
A7iv is better
If heat is an issue, I'd recommend the a7siii, or FX series.
I have had the A7IV since launch…got the A7Cii at launch. I have seriously considered selling my A7IV for the A7CR. I don’t shoot professional so the dual card slot isn’t a deal breaker for me but the size makes it a great travel or daily carry camera. I had the A7C for that very reason but just wasn’t happy with the image quality vs my A7IV. I would constantly get over exposed images with the exact same settings of my 4 vs the original C
i am right now in the same boat. have the a6700 and found the a7 iv pretty cheap used but the 6700 is so pretty small. i love that about it. I just miss the bigger evf and sometimes a joystick. Did you switch and whats your experience? ^^
Biggest difference for me is flash sync of 1/160s and EFCS only shutter on a7cii which will cause banding if using HSS flash. The A7iv gives you 1/250s flash sync and fully mechanical shutter option for HSS flash.
What about the grip???
Does the AI work for photo also? Or is it better for video? I can’t decide between the two cameras.. I don’t really shoot video..
There ain’t many AI features for photo in the camera. View finder resolution might be something to consider in your situation.
Next to photography, as I'm also investing my energy in video, I feel like that a7cii with those AI functions and the lut preview facility will be better for someone like me.
ZV-E1 or A7CII?
Or we must wait A7SIV?
Thank you.
Zv-e1 for video
I ordered the zv e1 for a good price, but I haven't opened it yet in anticipation for the a7cii. Because of the rolling shutter in full frame 4k 24/30p, I see the a7c ii as a apsc video camera. If you're OK with that, than that's fine, but it looks like you are getting much more out of the zv e1 for video. Also, the zv e1 has dynamic stabilization which I see as a big plus as that can take the place of a gymbol in certain circumstances. The thing about the zv e1 is the overheating, as the a7c ii seems to have good thermal performance. If you think the overheatibg of the zv e1 might be an issue you can rent it and test it out. There are ways to mitigate the overheating, like keeping the flippy screen out, opening the ports and battery door, and getting one of those fans that fit into where the flippy screen goes.
Thank you!
I recently bought the a7c2 and I’m pissed it didnt come with a charging wire / plug or usb wire.
great sharing ❤❤
I think as a hobbyist, the evf isn’t bad since I like taking the time to edit. As a professional I can see where it is time saving when figuring out the shot in general leading to editing and time crunch.
Main difference is stabilization and buffer, A7cII got 7stop IS, which is a win for handheld low light photography.
A7IV got unlimited burst shooting on the other hand.
I don't shoot a lot of bursts but I shoot a bit handheld in bad light.
A7IV is overall better value, so it's very hard to decide.
Ps: update is also coming to A7IV.
Hi, are you sure about the A7IV update? It would make my choise between de A7IV and the A7Cii a lot easier. Grtz.
@@geerthasevoets48 Sony is updating older cameras with Some new features, which ones and which cameras will depends, but A7IV is getting some for sure.
I got A7IV now, I envy a bit 7stop ibis, mine can do like 1/3 sec on 35mm "against a wall", but besides being more future proof with unlimited buffer, it was cheaper 300euro.
I would say it being cheaper did help me decide, I bought it at about 2100 with 300 for memory card.
It is surely bigger, but I got big lens so I got used to it. If you want to use small lens and won't need to shoot a lot in burst mode, c line should be better.
@@geerthasevoets48 Tell me, what kind of update is this and what should it add?
Hi, i would like to see the A7Cii menu structure, the swipe possibility and the focus bracketing in a A7IV. Grtz.
@@geerthasevoets48 I hope that automatic eye recognition for different animals or people will get added, otherwise I don't need much.
And if Sony could correct 4mm laowa manual lens' fisheye distortion in camera, what's more would I need 🤔
is the lumix s5iix better?
i live in israel and the both at same price so what camera should i get
I like the A7IV Body much more. Better Grip, especially with heavy lenses. Joystick to Focus on small subjects, where autofocus will not work. Better EVF to check sharpness.
A7c ii have dual iso, bro ?
I've heard A7IV is known for overheating, I'm not sure as I don't own one myself but I wonder how it compares to the A7C II
Theres any dual native iso in a7cii?
800 and 3200 in s-log 3
*sneeze* "im allergic to micro hdmi" - HAHAHAHA
I am thinking of adding this A7Cii to the A74, so have two good hybrid cameras. The A7Cii can be a lightweight travel options. If I need two card slots and a better EVF, then I have that option as well. I want to end up with 2 cameras. I had the A74 from its release and then sold it when the A6700 came out and was thinking about two of those for the small, lightweight, travel friendly, cameras (cheaper, lighter lenses). However, I sent them back and just bouight the Sony A74 again (gets delivered tomorrow), knowing that the A7Cii was released, so thought that may be my options. I don't know that I need the A7CR 61 MPs). Although, I could get a A6700, and the A7CR (which can do the 26mp crop mode)? - I love choices - so I just have to decide. I am in good shape once I decide is that I only have one lens: Sony 24mm f1.4 GM which I am keeping either way!
why did you send the 6700 back? ^^
I had been wanting a a7iv I’m sure prices on used ones will drop since is not the new kid on the block
Just sold my A74 and ordered the 7CII.
a7cII is a great great camera according to the specs, but for me the main question is - "is the Sony a7cII's Full HD 1080p is as sharp as the a7sIII's or it is as soft as the full HD of the a7IV?" ))
Whats lense
Hi Jason, love your comparison. I was actually thinking which one to buy between these two. One suggestion though. When you are showing the top down view the plant cast a shadow on the left camera which is clipping some details, specially when you were showing the SD cards. It would be nice to get a detailed view of the ports. Thanks.
Ok
You didn’t tell us what camera you would choose as of now. A7iv or A7CII? 😅
Which one Is better A7C II or ZV E1?
Now thats opening a can of worms 🪱🐛🐛🪱🐛🪱🐛😂 i reckon a7cII
Oh tough one. Zv-e1 for video
Legend. @@JasonMorrisphotocinema
Sweet camera! For the price the a6700 is a great alternative
Yeah definitely is
The cropped 4k60 is a killer for this camera. So may be a sale flop, it should be uncropped, there is no reason to release a crop video feature on this "new" camera
No reason? If it was uncropped it would have to be line skipped or pixel binned which means very soft image quality. 33MP full frame 4k 60fps is not easy unless it’s a fast readout sensor
Where I'm based (Sweden) the a7iv is about 300usd cheaper than the a7c ii. After seeing this video I'm leaning toward the a7iv. Would you be inclined to agree?
You're lucky...here in France it's not the case
Think I'll go for the a6700, I want a 16-55mm and Sony make one for APSC, nothing like that exists for full frame.
Why it is called A7c ii MARK 2 ?😅
I like your videos as they are informative and not overhyped or gimmicky. But i had to laugh about the "micro HDMI allergy". There is no 2 ways around it, micro HDMI sucks. Some older cameras had mini HDMI, which is not too bad, but micro is flimsy as heck.
micro HDMI is horrible. I really wish it didn't exist
That made me laugh too lol
A7C mark 3 wish list:
Type A card slot
High resolution EVF
Variable angle + Tilt LCD SCREEN (a7rv)
Pop up flash - (TTL)
45mp Sensor
i agree, i would also add 2 card slots, uncropped 4k60p, joystick and more custom buttons
@@urbanie I don’t think you need a joy stick tho, the tracking is so good, you never need it
@@benfohdo sure but i need a joystick to set focus on something in a timelapse or a still video for example, or even change focus to something else while moving
i shoot 1080 because the crop on 4k what sony camera shoots 4k 60 without the crop? i hate lining girls up ect then it just Jumps in super far and i have to reframe everything
Zv-e1, a7siii, fx3, fx6, a1 all film 4k 50/60 no crop
I think its time to upgrade from my A7III. I just wish it had 2 card slots because I have a bad feeling if I wouldn't have a backup recording for a client. Sometimes SD cards just randomly die.
I don't shoot as much as some people, but I've been using a 10 year old sd card made by lexar and it still works lol.
Damn, can't hear You at 0;30
This comes from the OG fan Jason. You have so much plosives from that mic, please address that. With respect, all the best
Ok
If you’re looking for a premium full frame compact camera. The A7C II is really the only game in town. Canon or Nikon doesn’t have anything close.
Choose a7cii or a7iv better
if you need dual cards, full size hdmi and better evf then a7iv
Wish they kept the camera the exact same but remove the EVF...
A7C ii vs A7CR ?
coming
For video, FX30 or A7CII?
I don't have the a7cll but I do own the a7iv and the fx30.
Id get the fx30 with a manual lense. The image quality is so much more cinematic and rich when done manually, it has a different feel and glow
I used to have A7C and sell it for FX30 because I need 10bit. Now since they release the a7cii with 10bit, im thinking should i trade my fx30 for a7cii, or is it a bad idea..@@CateredChaos
I love the A7C series! I had the OG A7C before I upgraded to the A7IV. However I think for the money. Most people are better off buying a used A7IV for the same price as the A7CII. Now I think the A7CR is definitely worth the money considering it has the same specs as the A7RV with a huge price cut. But I’m patiently waiting for the A7V which will probably drop next year. I’m hoping and praying Sony takes inspiration from the LUMIX S5II and puts in an internal fan inside the A7V to fix the overheating issue. Time will tell.
Now I can buy a7iv for 1500$ netto or a7c ii for 2100$ netto :P its 40% cheaper ^^ for almost the same
Long live the A7IV King. lol. That's why I have two of them.
agreed!
The EVF really only matters if you're manually focusing. The resolution for the a7cii is enough. I'd only feel bad if the a7cii costed $3k and had the same shitty EVF.
If you can put up with a viewfinder from a film camera, looking through a prism, then the EVF is more than fine. It should not be a determining factor. The new tech is what makes the CII the better choice. But if you like the FF body with a hump in the middle, the A7R5 may be the way to go. The A74 just fell back a generation in processors and the AI chip. I compared the Sony a6700 vs, the A74 trying to capture stills of bees in my shrub and the a6700 with it's new tech blew the A74 away. I got far more hits with bees in blossoms and in flight than the A74. It wasn't close. For most everything else, it may not be a thing, but then, the new focus system is superior.
thats exactly what i was looking for haha. but what are you thinking about the smaller evf? does is bother you a lot? And could you tell the how the apsc cam compared in Iso perfomance against his fullframe brother? ^^
Dual card ❤
dual card king
The 4k 60 on the a7cii is worse than on the a7IV, gerald undone mentioned it in his review. You get more resolution on the a7IV, and that was also the reason why it was still better using the cropped 4K 60 on the a7IV vs full frame 1080 60/120 fps (10-bit 4:2:2 in s&q), but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore now on the A7cii
it is all pixel peeping that isn't necessary for real world anyway
Do you mean compared to the a7cr?
@@HesDeadJim between all the models. They’re all very similar nowadays and is more about ergonomics and other features needed for individual tasks
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema yah. Gerald undone showed that overheating isn't an issue in room temp conditions. It's a close call. I preordered the a7cii in the end from Digidirect. Portable podcast is my requirement, it seems to fit the bill really well!
@@JasonMorrisphotocinema (I think dinbali was referring to the a7cr, not the a7iv)