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I think it's something David Simon saw done for real when he was writing the book that became the show "Homicide: Life on the Streets". I think there's a similar scene in that show as well.
The unfortunate thing is with police interrogations in the US is that every person has the right to remain silent so they literally can stop the interrogation it's just they don't know their rights. Do not ever talk to police
It's not that people don't know their rights. Everyone has seen a bajillion police procedurals on TV. It's that they don't understand the reason for them. It's not something taught in public schools, since the government always protects itself. It's either learned through experience, or from somebody else who's learned from experience explaining it. People think they can talk themselves out of trouble. They think the police are persuadable or that somehow if they talk enough in the interrogation room, they won't be charged. The reality is the police are just doing their job gathering evidence to pass off to the prosecutor, and the prosecutor is the one who decides what to do with that evidence. And people don't understand that even benign statements can be used against them in court in ways that are totally unpredictable. For example, saying you were in Place X when the police think you were in Place Y, but they have another witness who is confused and mistakenly says you were in Place Z. You may very well have been in Place X, but in court that witness will say you were in Place Z and that will make you look like a liar to a jury. It won't matter that the police thought you were in Place Y when they interrogated you, that won't come up in court. Literally everything you say, even things that could exonerate you, can end up being used to convict you. @regentlawvideos has a great video on this: "Don't Talk to the Police". Don't just know your rights. Understand why they're so important. If you don't understand the why, you'll make a stupid mistake even if you know on some level that talking isn't a good idea. There is no information you might want to pass along to the police is so important, that your lawyer can't pass along for you after you consult with him or her, when the time is most advantageous for your possible defense.
The opening scene for each opening episode of a season is always a metaphor for the season to come. The key line there is “The bigger the lie, the more they believe”. The ‘bad taste’ in your mouth lead you to miss the point.
Rowhouses is houses that are all inside one long building in a row. The British word for the same thing is a Terrace. So there's no gap or yard in between each house next to each other, they are just divided by the walls in between one home and the next. Depending how well they are built, there is very little risk of fire spreading along the row, because it would have to burn through solid brick walls seperating each house from its neighbours. Terraces can be expensive and built in stone and very prestigious, or they can be cheap workers' housing that didn't originally have internal plumbing and bathrooms, like the old fashioned streets you see in Peaky Blinders or Coronation Street.
They did know this was the last season, HBO told them there would be no more. But later in production HBO reduced the # of episodes from 13 to 10, which affects the pacing of the season and I think is the big reason it's not as fondly looked upon (it's still better than 99% of TV). In the end HBO allowed them to have an extra half-hour for the finale (wow thanks). If they got a 6th season, that would have been the "Newspaper" season, and 5 would have been the "immigrant experience" season.
Lola's take on McNulty was entirely accurate. This season is definitely his rock bottom. When you take into account all the stories we've watched for four seasons and contrast that with the main plot of the news paper storyline it makes the statement the final season is making even more crucial. Hell even the fact that in this very first episode we see how things progressed with the vacant discoveries. Season 5 is imo the weakest season but it's messages are just as powerful and relevant (in fact I'd honestly say the themes in this season have aged *very* well) as any of the other seasons. Honestly they just needed more episodes. This final season is STILL better than a lot of other shows final seasons not for nothing. The fact that sensationalism outdoes realism is a powerful sentiment that Season 5 produces, to me personally. David Simon indeed gets *very* personal in this season but all in all...what he's saying isn't wrong about the media. At all. It says a lot that even when a show like The Wire fumbles a bit it can still manage a touchdown. The Wire is two decades old atp and it's topics are still relevant and very much present. Timeless in every sense of the word.
Everytime someone says they hate season 5, and then rewatch it, they end up loving it. Im glad these ladies can actually analyze what is happening in the episode and the characters, other than just taking it at face value
I’d still put season 5 of the wire against most seasons of most tv shows but it is certainly a step down from the rest of the show. I like the themes and what they tried to do in this season I just dont feel like the execution was there
I wouldn't say I hated it, but there's a noticeable drop in quality. I really noticed it during a rewatch recently. It literally doesn't grip me like the other seasons.
People who haven't seen it tend to think that fans saying "season 5 is the worst season" means it's garbage, but that's not what people mean. It's the worst season...of one of the greatest shows of all time. It still stands head-and-shoulders above even the best seasons of a lot of other shows.
Season 5 has grown on me with subsequent rewatches, not as much as 2 however, and it definitely does have qualities to it that I can understand why some people would have it as one of their faves. The faster pace for instance tends to be a main highlight. The faster pacing doesn't work for me all the way personally but I could see why it would for other people. Some like how funny and meta the final season is combined with how light the overall atmosphere is compared to Season 4. I've literally had people tell me that after Season 4, 5 was a "breath of fresh air" for them. For me Season 5 is not on the same consistent quality as the other four but I absolutely would never say it's a bad season of television. That's just not true.
For me, the biggest difference between the two of them was reflected in that "discussion." Lola always says the first thing that comes to mind and that's why she sometimes makes predictions that seem to make no sense or are just reflections of what she wants to happen. Milena tries to read what the show is trying to tell with each scene or action of the characters and if the show doesn't give her any "vibes" that it's going somewhere from what Lola says she doesn't even comment, that's why sometimes I feel like Lola talks more than Milena and I wish it was the other way
1:03:30 Everything from this point on is both heart melting and heart breaking. Just the sheer, unironic sense of protection that Lola has for the kids, wanting them to live a normal life where they can just be children which is what they are. That uncomplicated level of basic compassion for kids seems like a low-bar but it's one that's missed by too many nonetheless.
I got worried y'all would take a long break after S4 finale. Everyone talks shit about this season but it's one that has a number of amazing moments and some of the best scenes ("psych profile") ever.
That can't be right. I'm sure we saw Jimmy smile before season 4. He isn't that miserable of a character. There were definetely times he got in moments of humor with Bunk and Kima and Lester and we saw him smile.
I think season 5 is less grounded than the others, the pacing is off cuz it’s shorter & the newspaper storyline is clearly David Simon working out a personal grudge from his career as a reporter. That’s said a lot of it carries over the incredible characters and storylines from season 4 and the worst of the Wire is still better than 99% of what’s out there.
they've always emphasized that they needed "warmth" and morally good characters to stand by, so it's difficult to imagine them enjoying The Sopranos. maybe i'm just very mistaken, but when i watched that it was purely about already bad people doing increasingly heinous things, and progressing towards increasingly worse morals. i.e. character progression is towards badness. it's why it's said The Sopranos was needed for Breaking Bad to exist, which to me was like a Disney-fied Sopranos, with a much smaller cast and injected a lot of lowbrow humor and quirks for mainstream appeal.
They knew this was the final season, for a while they weren't sure they were gonna get it. It was always considered a good show, but when it was airing, it wasn't hugely popular in the way HBO needed it to be to keep it going.
my boy-my boy-my boy! in that time Tom McCarthy was already trying to get into "spotlights"! but Scott Templeton is no Bob Woodward, that's for sure...
Three little tidbits... Theme song this season is sung by Steve Earle. He's the dude that plays Waylon,the former addict who's been trying to help Bubs from time to time. Gus is played by Clark Johnson. He actually directed quite a few episodes of the show,including the very first two. Also starred on the first great Baltimore Police show,"Homicide:Life on the Street",playing Detective Meldrick Lewis. And...surprise,surprise...Homicide was inspired by a book titled "Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets" by former Baltimore Sun reporter...you guessed it...David Simon. Lastly,the scene where a couple reporters and Gus are looking out the window and trying to figure out what may be on fire,those two are Laura Lippman and Michael Olesker,both of whom are basically playing themselves as they worked for the Sun at the time. She as a reporter and Olesker a columnist. Laura and David Simon were married and have a son together. She's also the author of the Tess Monaghan series of detective novels. Great reaction as always,ladies.
The thing you never understood is that this show is not showing you what is right or wrong but what is. If you stop viewing it through those lenses, more story exposes itself.
Yeah I remember when Hopkins started buying up all the vacants. I grew up right on rt40 in Middle River. It got pretty rough with the heroin and violence moving further into the county. The awfulness of the politicians in the city haven't changed in 24 years tho.
They did know it was going to be the final season and in fact they only got 10 episodes instead of 12 or 13. It's worth pointing out that that first scene, which is always meant to be a reflection of the entire season, was at the height of the war in Iraq. " The bigger the lie the more they believe," was absolutely reminiscent of the Bush administration lying about WMDS. And even educated Americans. In fact, it was largely educated establishment, media types and members of Congress from both political parties, that either bought or amplify those claims.
It's the lying/manipulation they don't like. They say later on he should go to jail, but that those sorts of tactics can lead to false confessions with vulnerable people.
You say literally as that’s a fact, but I understand you’re one of those people that just trust the police even watching a show showing you why you shouldn’t. Literally watching them manipulate a young child with no lawyer and no parents. Something they “think” he has done. The bigger problem is people like you actually sit on juries. It’s a sad circle.
Years ago I watched s1e1 and thought it as pretty good. The I jumped to s5e1s and saw them on the roof taking pictures. I thought to myself…. 5 seasons of this?
One of the most interesting things of these reactions is seeing yanks in the comments discovering that the rest of the world is not as absurdly punitive as they are.
the first 10 minutes of this video (100% focused on McNulty) is a bit of a microcosm of why for me season 5 is particularly weak. it becomes waaaay too McNulty-centric, almost like The Sopranos or Dexter where the series is about a morally depraved anti-hero. it works for those series because that's what they're built as from the beginning, but The Wire had a different format from seasons 1-4, then season 5 arrives and it abruptly becomes the McNulty show.
Unfortunately police unions (which should be illegal) are some of the strongest in the country. For so called tough guys, nobody complains and plays victim more than police. So it's nearly impossible to even get rid of criminal police let alone just poor performing ones.
I'm glad you two continue with watching this show. It gets very juicy. Lots of twists. I'm curious. Have you ever seen the 'Hobbit' ? Have you seen the "Equalizer' or 'Back to the Future' ? Just wondering.
Not that they don't deserve the humanization or that having empathy for them is bad but if I have one issue with a show like this, where you see things from the perspective of criminals is that you sometimes forget about their victims. Yes, these boys had shitty parents and worse schools and they grew up poor so what else were they going to do, and so it's fine to be upset when even the cops take advantage of their ignorance like in the first scene but let's be real, they're guilty. They *are* drug dealers and worse. They engage in behavior that destroys their community and makes it near-unlivable for the countless people whose story we don't see on this show: regular working people. You wanna feel bad for gangbangers and drug dealers, go ahead. But please feel 10x as bad for dudes working a 9-5 trying to support a family in their neighborhood for having to put up with their antisocial asses.
Bear in mind, true crime documentaries are only "true" in the sense that the crime actually happened (usually). These documentaries are under the same constraints as fictional shows & movies - they need to get people to watch them. And the idea that the police messed up sells better than a case that was solved. They either need a sensational crime, and unsolved mystery, or case where the standing story is somehow not true, and the latter is the only one they can really manufacture. Unsolved mysteries are generally unsatisfying to the audience, and there are only so many sensational crimes out there, but they can always take a solved, closed case and make up a story by casting doubt on it. The audience doesn't often understand the details or the methodology of investigations, so they can spin ordinary actions into suspicious ones, or claim that a lack of a particular sort of evidence is proof that something didn't happen, when in real life, that type of evidence is very rare. DNA is a big one, because movie & TV have convinced the general public that it's a magical proof, and so now they think that the lack of DNA evidence, or overwhelmingly conclusive DNA results means the suspect has to be innocent. Or the presence of Suspect #1's DNA means that Suspect #2 could not have done it. That's how they overturned the convictions of the guys who raped the Central Park jogger - a fifth guy came forward, after it was too late to try him, and claimed he did it all. DNA linked him to the scene, so they threw out the other guys' convictions, despite their confessions, which included details the police did not know. They claimed the other confessions were coerced, even though, again, they told the police true details that they did not know, such as the victim had a Walkman that was stolen. One of them was arrested because he was caught harassing other people in the park and told the cops that he didn't do the rape. They had no idea what he was talking about, until they looked into it (and what he meant was he did not have intercourse with the rape victim, but he helped others rape her, which means he was, in fact, guilty of rape). One of the suspects brought the cops to the location of the comatose victim's body. Furthermore, the idea that the cops would have coerced the confessions to pin the crime on a bunch of strange kids is incredibly stupid, because the victim was alive & in a coma. If they were going to frame the wrong people, it could all have come apart, because she could have woken up and remembered her assailants and blown the whole police fabrication out of the water. They had no idea that she would not have any memory of the attack when she woke up. But ignorance, identification with the rapists, or hostility to the cops all helped people decide to accept the more sensational story that the police grabbed a bunch of underprivileged kids and beat confessions out of them.
Wow, this comment started so strong with a great critique of true crime documentaries before immediately falling off the deep end attempting to relitigate the Central Park 5 case with a whole bunch of misinformation and missing context. Take your own advice next time.
I wonder do they notice that All those kids are grown men now. Like they really call him "Wallace" instead of Michael B. Jordan. Even they refer to him as "Cheese" and not Method Man. Its funny to me.
They're never talking about MBJ though they're talking about Wallace the character so why would they say the actors name? Same thing applies for MM/Cheese, but they obviously don't know who Method Man is
@@lircox to me it’s like if you see Eminem in 8 mile. I wouldn’t be like “Rabbit this Rabbit that” I’d be like yeah Eminem did this he did that. Just my opinion. Today in 2023 “Wallace” is a huge movie star. Most people don’t even know he was in the wire. They’ve reference “Creed”. Same thing with “Cheese” Method Man…. Nothing I really wanna go back-and-forth about just an observation.
@@AlfonzoKnowsBestI got what u saying but not everyone's minds works that way. I call some character by the actor's name only if I can't remember the character's name
The fact that u don’t like that opening speaks volumes about how out of touch u r with the United States he was teenager who committed murder….u two are sad
@@craigmanning7873 oh really? Cuz how what Bunk did was immoral or illlegal? Nonthing thenkidndid the murder…corner boys know they lawyer up…….and it was my takeaway of the opening not the video……learn to read and write……so much of the policing and politics are going over they’re heads I’m sorry u don’t see it but as a recovering addict like Bubbles clean 5 years I live in Chicago cops have the right to search u and bang on u if ur in an open air drug market…….dont event bother responding its obvious ur a die hard fan of these two and won’t ever admit they’re wrong
I don't understand you're point, it makes no sense. Because they think it's messed up for cops to lie and trick people into confessions there's something wrong with them? Weird
"It's not children, thank you" *immediate pain and anguish and PTSD*
Just they wait....
Lol using a copy machine as a polygraph test to coax a confession was pure genius
I think it's something David Simon saw done for real when he was writing the book that became the show "Homicide: Life on the Streets".
I think there's a similar scene in that show as well.
The unfortunate thing is with police interrogations in the US is that every person has the right to remain silent so they literally can stop the interrogation it's just they don't know their rights. Do not ever talk to police
Definitely know your rights. Season 2 highlighted that quite perfectly.
Criminalls aint the victims you stuup
It's not that people don't know their rights. Everyone has seen a bajillion police procedurals on TV. It's that they don't understand the reason for them. It's not something taught in public schools, since the government always protects itself. It's either learned through experience, or from somebody else who's learned from experience explaining it.
People think they can talk themselves out of trouble. They think the police are persuadable or that somehow if they talk enough in the interrogation room, they won't be charged. The reality is the police are just doing their job gathering evidence to pass off to the prosecutor, and the prosecutor is the one who decides what to do with that evidence. And people don't understand that even benign statements can be used against them in court in ways that are totally unpredictable. For example, saying you were in Place X when the police think you were in Place Y, but they have another witness who is confused and mistakenly says you were in Place Z. You may very well have been in Place X, but in court that witness will say you were in Place Z and that will make you look like a liar to a jury. It won't matter that the police thought you were in Place Y when they interrogated you, that won't come up in court. Literally everything you say, even things that could exonerate you, can end up being used to convict you.
@regentlawvideos has a great video on this: "Don't Talk to the Police". Don't just know your rights. Understand why they're so important. If you don't understand the why, you'll make a stupid mistake even if you know on some level that talking isn't a good idea.
There is no information you might want to pass along to the police is so important, that your lawyer can't pass along for you after you consult with him or her, when the time is most advantageous for your possible defense.
I would suggest don’t commit crimes
The opening scene for each opening episode of a season is always a metaphor for the season to come. The key line there is “The bigger the lie, the more they believe”.
The ‘bad taste’ in your mouth lead you to miss the point.
Rowhouses is houses that are all inside one long building in a row. The British word for the same thing is a Terrace. So there's no gap or yard in between each house next to each other, they are just divided by the walls in between one home and the next. Depending how well they are built, there is very little risk of fire spreading along the row, because it would have to burn through solid brick walls seperating each house from its neighbours. Terraces can be expensive and built in stone and very prestigious, or they can be cheap workers' housing that didn't originally have internal plumbing and bathrooms, like the old fashioned streets you see in Peaky Blinders or Coronation Street.
first reactors i've seen that didnt find the opening scene funny. season 4 really did a number on them :(
theyre so into the kids, they hate everyone else, even if its a murderer lol
@@DigitalBath306 Absolutely. They will wish death on characters repeatedly and then act self-righteous when someone is killed.
Slim Charles is one of the best and most underrated characters in the show.
The guy you recognized played Gale in Breaking Bad
Those 2 roles couldn't be more different hence they don't recognize him I guess
Season 5 has my favourite intro song - it's a bop!
They did know this was the last season, HBO told them there would be no more. But later in production HBO reduced the # of episodes from 13 to 10, which affects the pacing of the season and I think is the big reason it's not as fondly looked upon (it's still better than 99% of TV). In the end HBO allowed them to have an extra half-hour for the finale (wow thanks). If they got a 6th season, that would have been the "Newspaper" season, and 5 would have been the "immigrant experience" season.
Lola's take on McNulty was entirely accurate. This season is definitely his rock bottom. When you take into account all the stories we've watched for four seasons and contrast that with the main plot of the news paper storyline it makes the statement the final season is making even more crucial. Hell even the fact that in this very first episode we see how things progressed with the vacant discoveries. Season 5 is imo the weakest season but it's messages are just as powerful and relevant (in fact I'd honestly say the themes in this season have aged *very* well) as any of the other seasons. Honestly they just needed more episodes. This final season is STILL better than a lot of other shows final seasons not for nothing. The fact that sensationalism outdoes realism is a powerful sentiment that Season 5 produces, to me personally. David Simon indeed gets *very* personal in this season but all in all...what he's saying isn't wrong about the media. At all. It says a lot that even when a show like The Wire fumbles a bit it can still manage a touchdown. The Wire is two decades old atp and it's topics are still relevant and very much present. Timeless in every sense of the word.
Everytime someone says they hate season 5, and then rewatch it, they end up loving it. Im glad these ladies can actually analyze what is happening in the episode and the characters, other than just taking it at face value
I’d still put season 5 of the wire against most seasons of most tv shows but it is certainly a step down from the rest of the show. I like the themes and what they tried to do in this season I just dont feel like the execution was there
I wouldn't say I hated it, but there's a noticeable drop in quality. I really noticed it during a rewatch recently. It literally doesn't grip me like the other seasons.
I never hated it, but I think it's easily the weakest season.
People who haven't seen it tend to think that fans saying "season 5 is the worst season" means it's garbage, but that's not what people mean. It's the worst season...of one of the greatest shows of all time. It still stands head-and-shoulders above even the best seasons of a lot of other shows.
Season 5 has grown on me with subsequent rewatches, not as much as 2 however, and it definitely does have qualities to it that I can understand why some people would have it as one of their faves. The faster pace for instance tends to be a main highlight. The faster pacing doesn't work for me all the way personally but I could see why it would for other people. Some like how funny and meta the final season is combined with how light the overall atmosphere is compared to Season 4. I've literally had people tell me that after Season 4, 5 was a "breath of fresh air" for them. For me Season 5 is not on the same consistent quality as the other four but I absolutely would never say it's a bad season of television. That's just not true.
1:06:23 Lola getting scolded for her "having cake and eat it too" reasoning was so funny lmao
I love the occasions where Milena rants at Lola 😂
For me, the biggest difference between the two of them was reflected in that "discussion." Lola always says the first thing that comes to mind and that's why she sometimes makes predictions that seem to make no sense or are just reflections of what she wants to happen. Milena tries to read what the show is trying to tell with each scene or action of the characters and if the show doesn't give her any "vibes" that it's going somewhere from what Lola says she doesn't even comment, that's why sometimes I feel like Lola talks more than Milena and I wish it was the other way
1:03:30 Everything from this point on is both heart melting and heart breaking. Just the sheer, unironic sense of protection that Lola has for the kids, wanting them to live a normal life where they can just be children which is what they are. That uncomplicated level of basic compassion for kids seems like a low-bar but it's one that's missed by too many nonetheless.
I like how these girls are using the lingo. "Crew". "Muscle". "Name rings out".
I got worried y'all would take a long break after S4 finale. Everyone talks shit about this season but it's one that has a number of amazing moments and some of the best scenes ("psych profile") ever.
"My name is my name" for me 👁
That can't be right. I'm sure we saw Jimmy smile before season 4. He isn't that miserable of a character. There were definetely times he got in moments of humor with Bunk and Kima and Lester and we saw him smile.
I think they meant just seeing McNulty actually genuinely happy but yeah he wasn't like an actual Eeyore.
I think season 5 is less grounded than the others, the pacing is off cuz it’s shorter & the newspaper storyline is clearly David Simon working out a personal grudge from his career as a reporter. That’s said a lot of it carries over the incredible characters and storylines from season 4 and the worst of the Wire is still better than 99% of what’s out there.
You should watch Sopranos next
they've always emphasized that they needed "warmth" and morally good characters to stand by, so it's difficult to imagine them enjoying The Sopranos. maybe i'm just very mistaken, but when i watched that it was purely about already bad people doing increasingly heinous things, and progressing towards increasingly worse morals. i.e. character progression is towards badness.
it's why it's said The Sopranos was needed for Breaking Bad to exist, which to me was like a Disney-fied Sopranos, with a much smaller cast and injected a lot of lowbrow humor and quirks for mainstream appeal.
One thing that's a trip is to go back in time 1 season to S4E1 and look at Duq in the pigeon-trapping scene and look at him now.
They knew this was the final season, for a while they weren't sure they were gonna get it. It was always considered a good show, but when it was airing, it wasn't hugely popular in the way HBO needed it to be to keep it going.
I was starting to get worried about you guys; stoked about the upload!
my boy-my boy-my boy! in that time Tom McCarthy was already trying to get into "spotlights"!
but Scott Templeton is no Bob Woodward, that's for sure...
@17:03 "He's a problematic man, he has issues" I spit up my coffee🤣
Can't wait for arguments about quality of seasons because one of the writers quit and you can kinda see it especially late into season
Three little tidbits...
Theme song this season is sung by Steve Earle. He's the dude that plays Waylon,the former addict who's been trying to help Bubs from time to time.
Gus is played by Clark Johnson. He actually directed quite a few episodes of the show,including the very first two. Also starred on the first great Baltimore Police show,"Homicide:Life on the Street",playing Detective Meldrick Lewis. And...surprise,surprise...Homicide was inspired by a book titled "Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets" by former Baltimore Sun reporter...you guessed it...David Simon.
Lastly,the scene where a couple reporters and Gus are looking out the window and trying to figure out what may be on fire,those two are Laura Lippman and Michael Olesker,both of whom are basically playing themselves as they worked for the Sun at the time. She as a reporter and Olesker a columnist. Laura and David Simon were married and have a son together. She's also the author of the Tess Monaghan series of detective novels.
Great reaction as always,ladies.
Gus is gonna be Lola's favorite character this season.
i thought for sure you guys would notice gale from breaking bad in the news room at like 28 minutes
The thing you never understood is that this show is not showing you what is right or wrong but what is. If you stop viewing it through those lenses, more story exposes itself.
Yeah I remember when Hopkins started buying up all the vacants. I grew up right on rt40 in Middle River.
It got pretty rough with the heroin and violence moving further into the county.
The awfulness of the politicians in the city haven't changed in 24 years tho.
Jesus Christ! Finally! Been waiting for this for over a week.
They did know it was going to be the final season and in fact they only got 10 episodes instead of 12 or 13. It's worth pointing out that that first scene, which is always meant to be a reflection of the entire season, was at the height of the war in Iraq.
" The bigger the lie the more they believe," was absolutely reminiscent of the Bush administration lying about WMDS. And even educated Americans. In fact, it was largely educated establishment, media types and members of Congress from both political parties, that either bought or amplify those claims.
To evacuate means to empty, to evacuate people would be to empty them... you evacuate buildings.
Yes they knew this was the final season thats why its shorter
Talking about McNulty “I think he gets too invested”. You got that right.😂😉
I hoped in some universe Vic Mackey meets McNulty. I hope you girls react to The Shield in the near future, that was an epic show and Sons of anarchy.
15:21 wtf this guy literally killed someone and you dont like the police solving the murder?:D
It's the lying/manipulation they don't like. They say later on he should go to jail, but that those sorts of tactics can lead to false confessions with vulnerable people.
yeah but if its a murderer idc if its a tactic or manipulation @@nc1609
41:02
You say literally as that’s a fact, but I understand you’re one of those people that just trust the police even watching a show showing you why you shouldn’t. Literally watching them manipulate a young child with no lawyer and no parents. Something they “think” he has done. The bigger problem is people like you actually sit on juries. It’s a sad circle.
Two wrongs don't make a right
Lola’s hair 🫡
Lol mcnulty ain't going to be "your boy" anymore at the end of this season
Don't worry ladies... Jimmy is about to go to work again... you will not be disappointed.
Years ago I watched s1e1 and thought it as pretty good. The I jumped to s5e1s and saw them on the roof taking pictures. I thought to myself…. 5 seasons of this?
Somebody doesn’t recognize Gale Beiticker from BB!
@LMreactions after the wire we need to get you guys to watch this underrated show called Gomorrah that I think you will like so much
One of the most interesting things of these reactions is seeing yanks in the comments discovering that the rest of the world is not as absurdly punitive as they are.
Lola so pressed in this episode
I love s5. Btw, how are you not recognising Gale from Breaking Bad?
Ta errado!! De acordo com patreon era pra ser ep de violet!!
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the first 10 minutes of this video (100% focused on McNulty) is a bit of a microcosm of why for me season 5 is particularly weak. it becomes waaaay too McNulty-centric, almost like The Sopranos or Dexter where the series is about a morally depraved anti-hero. it works for those series because that's what they're built as from the beginning, but The Wire had a different format from seasons 1-4, then season 5 arrives and it abruptly becomes the McNulty show.
Unfortunately police unions (which should be illegal) are some of the strongest in the country. For so called tough guys, nobody complains and plays victim more than police. So it's nearly impossible to even get rid of criminal police let alone just poor performing ones.
I'm OK with police unions. The problem is qualified immunity. That concept has been pushed beyond the bounds of all sanity.
yes most definitely@@wreckingKREW1
Season 5 has grown on me over my rewatchings.
I worry that this season is going to kill these girls.
PLEASE SOMEONE GET THESE LADIES TO WATCH THE BOONDOCKS!!!!
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I'm glad you two continue with watching this show. It gets very juicy. Lots of twists. I'm curious. Have you ever seen the 'Hobbit' ? Have you seen the "Equalizer' or 'Back to the Future' ? Just wondering.
Lola is a LOTR fan girl
Not that they don't deserve the humanization or that having empathy for them is bad but if I have one issue with a show like this, where you see things from the perspective of criminals is that you sometimes forget about their victims. Yes, these boys had shitty parents and worse schools and they grew up poor so what else were they going to do, and so it's fine to be upset when even the cops take advantage of their ignorance like in the first scene but let's be real, they're guilty. They *are* drug dealers and worse. They engage in behavior that destroys their community and makes it near-unlivable for the countless people whose story we don't see on this show: regular working people. You wanna feel bad for gangbangers and drug dealers, go ahead. But please feel 10x as bad for dudes working a 9-5 trying to support a family in their neighborhood for having to put up with their antisocial asses.
Bear in mind, true crime documentaries are only "true" in the sense that the crime actually happened (usually). These documentaries are under the same constraints as fictional shows & movies - they need to get people to watch them. And the idea that the police messed up sells better than a case that was solved. They either need a sensational crime, and unsolved mystery, or case where the standing story is somehow not true, and the latter is the only one they can really manufacture. Unsolved mysteries are generally unsatisfying to the audience, and there are only so many sensational crimes out there, but they can always take a solved, closed case and make up a story by casting doubt on it. The audience doesn't often understand the details or the methodology of investigations, so they can spin ordinary actions into suspicious ones, or claim that a lack of a particular sort of evidence is proof that something didn't happen, when in real life, that type of evidence is very rare. DNA is a big one, because movie & TV have convinced the general public that it's a magical proof, and so now they think that the lack of DNA evidence, or overwhelmingly conclusive DNA results means the suspect has to be innocent. Or the presence of Suspect #1's DNA means that Suspect #2 could not have done it. That's how they overturned the convictions of the guys who raped the Central Park jogger - a fifth guy came forward, after it was too late to try him, and claimed he did it all. DNA linked him to the scene, so they threw out the other guys' convictions, despite their confessions, which included details the police did not know. They claimed the other confessions were coerced, even though, again, they told the police true details that they did not know, such as the victim had a Walkman that was stolen. One of them was arrested because he was caught harassing other people in the park and told the cops that he didn't do the rape. They had no idea what he was talking about, until they looked into it (and what he meant was he did not have intercourse with the rape victim, but he helped others rape her, which means he was, in fact, guilty of rape). One of the suspects brought the cops to the location of the comatose victim's body. Furthermore, the idea that the cops would have coerced the confessions to pin the crime on a bunch of strange kids is incredibly stupid, because the victim was alive & in a coma. If they were going to frame the wrong people, it could all have come apart, because she could have woken up and remembered her assailants and blown the whole police fabrication out of the water. They had no idea that she would not have any memory of the attack when she woke up. But ignorance, identification with the rapists, or hostility to the cops all helped people decide to accept the more sensational story that the police grabbed a bunch of underprivileged kids and beat confessions out of them.
Wow, this comment started so strong with a great critique of true crime documentaries before immediately falling off the deep end attempting to relitigate the Central Park 5 case with a whole bunch of misinformation and missing context.
Take your own advice next time.
I wonder do they notice that All those kids are grown men now. Like they really call him "Wallace" instead of Michael B. Jordan. Even they refer to him as "Cheese" and not Method Man. Its funny to me.
They're never talking about MBJ though they're talking about Wallace the character so why would they say the actors name? Same thing applies for MM/Cheese, but they obviously don't know who Method Man is
@@lircox to me it’s like if you see Eminem in 8 mile. I wouldn’t be like “Rabbit this Rabbit that” I’d be like yeah Eminem did this he did that. Just my opinion. Today in 2023 “Wallace” is a huge movie star. Most people don’t even know he was in the wire. They’ve reference “Creed”. Same thing with “Cheese” Method Man…. Nothing I really wanna go back-and-forth about just an observation.
@@AlfonzoKnowsBest pretty weird, but ok
@@AlfonzoKnowsBest It's not that weird don't listen to this guy
@@AlfonzoKnowsBestI got what u saying but not everyone's minds works that way. I call some character by the actor's name only if I can't remember the character's name
The fact that u don’t like that opening speaks volumes about how out of touch u r with the United States he was teenager who committed murder….u two are sad
The fact that this is your takeaway from the video speaks volumes to how poorly you understand these girls. It's a little sad, frankly
@@craigmanning7873 oh really? Cuz how what Bunk did was immoral or illlegal? Nonthing thenkidndid the murder…corner boys know they lawyer up…….and it was my takeaway of the opening not the video……learn to read and write……so much of the policing and politics are going over they’re heads I’m sorry u don’t see it but as a recovering addict like Bubbles clean 5 years I live in Chicago cops have the right to search u and bang on u if ur in an open air drug market…….dont event bother responding its obvious ur a die hard fan of these two and won’t ever admit they’re wrong
George Carlin was right about people named Kyle...
I don't understand you're point, it makes no sense. Because they think it's messed up for cops to lie and trick people into confessions there's something wrong with them? Weird
I wish my friends cared enough about this show as much as you two, so many people write it off as "meh" without getting into it very far
God Milena you are so gorgeous!
What's her socials?
@@ThatMessiFan10 wish I knew
30:33 In real life She's Married to Lawrence Gilliard Jr aka D'angelo Barksdale
Think they called it off after.
React to The corner.