@@ticenits1926 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@paulgemme6056 You and I are seekers of the quantum cycle. The osmosis of rejuvenation is now happening worldwide. If you have never experienced this vector through non-local interactions, it can be difficult to self-actualize.
"Why is murder wrong? Just because it hurts the victim?" Yes, Ryan. That's exactly it. And with that, you have shown why morality is NOT coming from your disgusting book.
@Steve-sg3uz No Atoms may be lost, but there will be more suffering. And as an atheist, I would like this world to have less suffering. It is very simple.
@@Steve-sg3uz You want to believe (or pretend to believe) that without a god to give them rules, atheists are monsters with no morality. But obviously this isn't the case. Most atheists, like most people of whatever belief, have a sense of morality that is born of the evolved trait of empathy along with their ability to reason. Ignoring reality because it doesn't jibe with your beliefs does not speak well of your beliefs or your intelligence. And the reality is that there's nothing about atheism that stops one from being a moral person. History (along with this video) shows that having religious beliefs is much more likely to interfere with a person's natural tendency to be moral.
@@Steve-sg3uz Animals _do_ care about suffering, though. They will avoid suffering if they can. And, yes, what you like is your preference, and there is no external standard that determines whether my preferences are 'better' than Dahmers'. However, my preferences are more similar to the majority of other peoples', so they are less likely to take action against me (and thus be less likely to cause me suffering).
I talk to religious family members and they are fine saying American slavery was horrible but suddenly get defensive when I point out slavery in the Bible. Religion warps the mind into defending the indefensible.
@@Steve-sg3uz "Also, atheism isn't very smart if it has no oughts to have kids." Here we go again! Atheism is the singular answer to a singular question. "Do you believe in a deity or deities?" Theism=Yes Atheism=No Atheism has NOTHING to do with the asinine claim you made.
The big advantage I have as an atheist over theists is the fact that I do not care whether their God is real, or not. And, even if he is real, I have no need for him. And, if he is real, he knows I do not need him - so, he's leaving me alone. Then, I ask them, "Why won't you leave me alone, like God does?"
@@MrCanis4 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@paulgemme6056 I never took a gift anywhere, so it's not for me. Second, show me some proof that this Jesus dude ever existed and if so, that he had supernatural powers because I'm not convinced. Now if you could just show one, just one demonstrable advantage. Just one.
@@MrCanis4 Witnesses, plenty of them. Read your bible: the answers are all there. The witnesses saw and recorded history (his - story). Denying the truth will never make the truth (Jesus Christ) go away.
The U.S. BUILT ON SLAVERY and currently has the most slaves in prison without a trial in human history and a completely OBEDIENT population which = COMPLICITY Willful ignorance is no excuse . You're/We're no better.....looking in a mirror is difficult , at least he has the fortitude to admit it! In merica we don't say the quiet part out loud . I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
It never gets old. Hey, I have a claim with no evidence to back it up, but you have to assume that my claim is true until you can disprove it. If that were how the world worked it would get chaotic fast.
A lot of people don't know exactly how to go about challenging the subtle cancer that is atheism. It's deeply interwoven into our public school system. The theist within the institutions is the house slave that's willing to spread the other cheek and be a good little lap dog. Atheism isn't a religion, but atheism can attach to a religion. There are many naturalistic and humanistic religious organizations and even if the atheist is not attached to any of these, the dumb thing plays right into the sociopolitical mechanisms that allow collectivism two Rivers ugly head once again. They key to dealing with your ability to wiggle out of being identified is when we look at atheistic ontology
@@Theosis1981 You KNOW there is only one way to objective morality and truth and you angrily refuse to follow it and go as far as to angrily deny that which you inherently know in favor of a FALSE "God" and it's cult of demoniacal followers that worship the cross it's blasphemous and equally fictional offspring supposedly died on! Mwari is the one ontologically objectively TRUE living God and supreme creator and maintainer of the cosmos. Have you not been awestruck by omnipotent omniscient omnipresent omnibenevolent Mwari's divine works that you have beheld in the trees, the oceans, the moon and the stars? Humble yourself. Renounce your evidently nonexistent FALSE "God" and it's cult of demonic followers. Genuflect and pray for forgiveness and the warm loving embrace of the one objectively TRUE living God Mwari. Find salvation and everlasting life in Mwari's paradise enveloped by His all encompassing divine light. REPENT! 😁
As Hitchens told Hannity: "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."
Towards the halfway mark, I thought to myself ... "This feels like it's slipping into a bad place". RYAN: Hold my beer... we're taking one helluva scary ride to the bottom.
The burden of proof lies with the theist and they fail continuously. Why - because they are sick with scizophrenia religiosa. The discussion is about psychiatric diagnosis and not about science vs faith.
Yes, the buybull is dog ma. The so-called moral absolute ghod therein condoned slavery and set it as a standard to live by. It is not fit for worship. Biblically, the xtian gh0d and his son lie multiple times and are not trustworthy. Xtian gh0d offers slavery, genocide, misogyny, intolerance, bigotry. Xtian gh0d is unpredictable and prone to violence. Xtian gh0d is jealous, and proud of it. Xtian gh0d kills well over 1 million people. Revelation puts future killings in the billions.
@@t800fantasm2 Also, his ignorant "ontological preference" strawman. He is right in the sense that if your ontology is that your reality is "goddunit", and you think that what you do here on earth matters, then he can make up whatever "morality" he wants. And his god happens to match exactly his moral views. His god happens to ALSO be an anti-trans bigot by sheer coincidence.
@@bobjohnson1587 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@bobjohnson1587 Read your bible the answers are all there. Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
💥 🎵 BIBLICAL SLAAAVERY 🎵 💥 It's crazy how they have such a hard time making the very simple and agreeable statement "I believe slavery is wrong and immoral, because it hurts people."
It's tough to sit through calls like Ryan's. The amount of sophistry and emotional appeals he threw around was staggering-so many words, yet all he really said was, "I have no evidence." The way he dodged the questions at the end? Classic. It was almost predictable, especially considering how the call began. But hey, a theist defending biblical slavery? That’s about as shocking as finding out water’s wet. It’s just par for the course at this point.
The thing that bothers me the most is how he goes from "If morality is subjective, then can't we do whatever we want?" and then in less than a minute, goes directly to; "Honestly, I don't really see the problem with owning slaves, and I guess you can beat them it just depends what bad things they did to deserve the beating." I shows quite nakedly that the guy literally doesn't think that Christianity keeps people in check, because even being a devout Christian, he's more than ready to tacitly condone one of the most evil propositions that humans have ever dealt with.
It's a legitimate question, just one that's been answered so many times that it has become tedious to those who have put the effort into thinking about it. But some very deep results can come from asking simple questions. Much of fundamental mathematics started in exactly this way. Success comes from thinking about them rigorously, not just tossing off a "duh, it's obvious." Why is murder and stealing wrong? Well, the correct question is: why is murder and stealing wrong TO HUMANS. Because it's not wrong to ALL species, is it? And that's an important clue to the answer. It's wrong to our species because ours is a SOCIAL SPECIES. We have prosocial instincts. These turn out to be generally advantageous to our survival. There's individual variation, of course, which means that we have some members of the species who are very caring and others who are what we call sociopathic. A considerable amount of our social organization exists to handle this variation and keep the group safe. But if we were a different species, we might well have different rules of right and wrong..That means that morality is SUBJECTIVE. It depends on the subject.
@@Steve-sg3uzYour god of the Bible is ok with murder, rape, stealing and slavery, in fact, it openly commands its followers to do so on several occasions, so I guess it would make sense for you to wonder why it's wrong.
I've heard numerous theists say on this channel that without God's laws restraining them, they'd live selfish lives of exploitation. That kind of gives you a clue to the psychological complexion of theists.
Theists should realize that what saved them at their lowest point was nothing more than hope. Hope is a very powerful thing, but it can come from a variety of sources. Under different circumstances someone could receive help from an Atheist and then determine that god isn't real. Hope does not equal god. Hope equals help. Nothing more.
This! Whenever someone starts going on about "I was in a bad place but god saved me" I'm like no baby nooo! That was you! You did that! Man I wish you believed in yourself the way you believe in God.
and this is why athiests say that christians are completely immoral , the fact he tried to justify slavery make me sick to my stomach, he needs som karma
There's no slavery to justify in the Bible. The Hebrew term for slave, 'eved (pl. 'avadim), is a direct derivation from the verb ʿbd, "to work"; thus, the "slave" is only a worker or servant.
@Theosis1981 you can as much spin as you want, we are talking about the words on the page, the fact is the Bible is an immoral piece of garbage as it also supports blood sacrifice, child sacrifice ,genocide, I could go on
@@Theosis1981 "There's no slavery to justify in the Bible." Shut up idiot... They keep finding dead slaves, still with chains and shackles and signs of mistreatment before they died... female slaves were routinely raped and often forced to work in brothels... Slaves were often bred to increase the herd so to speak... Slaves were often worked to death... " thus, the "slave" is only a worker or servant." Only if you're a complete imbecile... See, bible people have been trying to "clean" up this point for years...
@@Theosis1981 "There's no slavery to justify in the Bible." So are you saying the Hebrews were just servants in Egypt? Strange that God would intervene to rescue them from their after-school jobs... Strange too how every culture in the area routinely captured raped, killed and so on their slaves but you are trying to make us think the Hebrews were very nice to their slaves... Did you get educated by a turd? How the f**k can anyone as stupid as you be allowed near the internet?
At least 95% of all callers hesitate before answering a question, while they're desperately searching for a formulation of words that doesn't indict their belief system and show it to be morally reprehensible, as well as ridiculous.
"Yeah I just came across this channel that talks all about the moon landing, and uh...not sure if this has been discussed before but uh...did you guys know, that like, it was fake? Bet that totally blows your mind right!"
How can people like this caller even sleep well at night is astonishing and to think there are probably 100s of millions like him!! what a sorry world we live in!!
@@FECtetra1918 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@FECtetra1918 I know that is not true. I'm sure a lot of people did things for you and the only reason they were able to do anything for you is because the Lord God Almighty gave them the ability to do so.
Ryan would have understood why slavery and beatings are wrong if he was the one being enslaved and beaten. For someone who says he's a Christian he seems to have forgotten, " do unto others..." It's a very strange and irrational cult.
Couple of things: 1. The word atheist is actually an adverb. I know it's used as a noun but it's composed of Greek and means 'a' (without) + 'theist' (God/desses). 2. You can't prove a negative. IE- what's Ryan's 'scientific proof' there's no Loch Ness monster? 3. The commandment 'thou shall not murder' is in the OT and that's where we find stories like the murder of the first born of Egypt, the flooding of the world, and how many times are the Israelites commanded to murder other tribes? Plus there's slavery, Lot gets drunk and has sex with his daughters, Jepthah sacrifices his daughter (even though some say it's just a cautionary tale, it's still reason to believe the scholars that say Israelites would occasionally sacrifice their children). And there are other morally questionable stories I haven't mentioned.
On Sundays when folks are going to church. I tune into my favorite atheist channel to receive a real lift in my day from my follow humans. And at minute 14:08 I realize I’m an Antitheist now, Until hither too
Does anybody go to church? Their demand to teach the Bible in public schools, PROVES their failure to teach Jesus in their homes and churches. Christians will be killing Christians once again. Brother against brother -- just as it has always been since Cain and Abel. Worldwide, it's God vs God vs Not God vs No God in the Name of Jesus. Matthew 7: 22. Then the Great Re-Set on 09/23/26, when THEY unveil the NEON GAUD. Thesis vs Antithesis = Synthesis
@@tonyclements1147There's no projection. What you people perceive as projection is a mirroring effect. A figurative particle and an anti particle. A reverse image
Asking for scientific evidence for atheism is nonsensical because it misinterprets both the definition of atheism and how evidence in science functions. It’s a category error, confusing the requirement of evidence for a claim (like “God exists”) with the absence of belief in that claim.
Hahahaha he _could not_ admit to thinking slavery was wrong, because then he'd disagree with the Bible. Religion rots your brain on the inside, and the results of that are revealed on the outside.
Why call out to Jesus? Strange most these people who become religious later in life always called out to the most popular religion life regards to where they was raised. Wonder why universally people start with a bias to the popular religion around them.
Humans: God, help me! I can't find my car keys! My dog has eczema! There's a Buzz Lightyear stuck ... somewhere it shouldn't be! God: Wait, you things are still alive? Lol, I thought the flood took care of the vermin.
He started before humans and the flood. He tried an asteroid on the dinosaurs, but the bird dinosaurs survived. He tried ice-ball earth, he tried a bunch of lesser ice ages, and Christians say he tried a world-wide flood, even though we know he didn't. Anyway, it's clear to everyone that he keeps trying to kill us all and keeps failing. Kind of blows the whole omnipotence idea.
Rather than argue with them over the BOP, I would rather discuss what they hope to achieve by interracting with me. If their goal is to convince me to believe in God, I tell them that they will have to present evidence that God exists. If they cannot do that, I tell them, "I still do not believe in God. What now?"
There is only one God -- and that God is unchanging. Men and women, however, were designed to change -- to adapt and survive. If one sincerely reaches out to God, there is only one to be found. But people were designed to be unique from one another -- to have their own experience of God and of the world. The ONLY PROOF of God is that which you find already within you. Seek there and you shall find. That's they hypothesis, anyway, to be used as a starting point for further investigation.
This caller could not give a straight honest answer cause he knows he would be admitting that his holy book contradicts itself. Religious indoctrination at its best.
The scientific justification for atheism is actually quite simple. Matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed. This is the first law of thermodynamics. Therefore, the universe is eternal and infinite, therefore uncreated. This is exactly what many of the atheist materialists have stated, for example Buchner and Haeckel. No entity in any form created the universe. It has always existed. That's the scientific justification for atheism.
Doesn't that only apply to a closed system though? We don't know if the universe is itself closed. And with how the physics warps as we approach the big bang, we may not be able to apply our current understanding to it anyway. Better to say let's only believe in the things we can demonstrate, which rules out Gods for now.
I don't understand how so many Christians get caught up on the slavery thing. It's super easy to say "Slavery was wrong then, it is wrong now, and I can only say the parts of the Bible that condone and endorse it are not divinely inspired."
Because their argument is that all of the bible is divinely inspired. It has to be. Otherwise, people can pick and choose which parts are true. And they don't want that. In order to fully control it all has to be followed.
Further, if they only want to accept the morally defensible parts as divinely inspired, that leaves them with the same moral compass as atheists, and now what's the point of the bible at all?
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Without the bible there is no Jesus. Without A&E's original sin there's no need for Jesus' sacrifice. Jesus accepted the Old Testament as divinely authoritative. Sorry, you can't just ditch the OT and be a Jesus fanboy. You don't get to ignore the vast bulk of the Bible.
Every religion takes something from what was believed before and most times changed to fit thier thing. It's all the same/similar stories altered here and there.
The idea that gods that required sacrificing babies must be false and one that doesn't is really just evidence that people create their own gods. If you believe in the god that agrees with you because it agrees with you, you just invented your own god.
I think it's more about them calling a gid that commands thoze things morally good then anything else. Would you still love me if i commanded you to do that with the tresth of eternal torment hanging with no way out over your shoulders for not listening to my commands? Isnt that a good example?
weird that they pretend not to value child sacrifice. Abraham was expected to show he was willing to sacrifice his son. Just cause God didnt make him go through with it just means he was spared. It was still "the moral and good thing" to obey God and be WILLING TO sacrifice his son.
Why do theists begin with their weakest understanding of reality when they call into this show despite having the “most powerful god” to back them up (not while on-call in the show)? …never seen one theist who thought this through prior to calling in.
The caller is not intellectually competent to speak to their belief system. This is frequently the case on this channel. The folks who call in and believe in a God have not fully thought through their belief system as fully as the Atheists here
So, there IS a requirement that the defendant prove their innocence if the defendant adopts an affirmative defense. But even then, if they can’t support that defense, that doesn’t mean the defendant is guilty, it just means they have no defense.
It's not that they have a requirement to prove their innocence. At least for criminal cases in the US, they ARE presumed guilty. But if the prosecutor has evidence that shows that they are NOT innocent, then they DO have to rebut that. For example, if they give an alibi, they have to show evidence to support that alibi. But if the prosecutor doesn't have a case, you are not required to show that alibi. So it all depends on whether the prosecutor has evidence. If they don't have any, then you technically don't have to make any defense.
_"Man, without God, doesn't know what is good and evil is"_ said Steve who truly believes it is morally good to slaughter infants to punish their parents because he has a tribal war g0d that told him so!
It's the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient." If I want to show that 2 + 2 ≠ 5, it would be *sufficient* to show that they equal 4, but it is not *necessary.* Observe: Assume 2 + 2 = 5 Then, (2 + 2) - 2 = 5 - 2 Thus, 2 + (2 - 2) = 5 - 2 Thus, 2 + 0 = 5 - 2 Thus, 2 = 3 Well, that's not right. Thus, or original assumption that 2 + 2 = 5 must be wrong. Notice: I haven't shown what 2 + 2 actually equal. It is not necessary to show what they equal in order to show that they don't equal 5. It would be sufficient to show that god doesn't exist in order to justify the claim that we don't have a good reason to believe in the existence of god, but it is not necessary. If the reasons given for belief show themselves to be lacking, then that's all that is necessary. That doesn't mean there isn't a god, but it does mean there isn't any reason to think there is. As was repeatedly pointed out: It is up to the one claiming god does exist to give a good reason to justify that claim, not the other way around.
Are you expecting others to believe you have a PS5? Are you expecting others to do something for you because of this PS5? I have personally seen a PS5 before so it’s not a novel or shocking claim when millions have been sold.
It's actually very easy to bear the burden of disbelief as it's a single question to relieve it...can you as a religious person get your God to show up upon request? And the answer will always be No... with a bunch of excuses attached
How I love messing with lefties just think you guys could be the first people to live on the moon. You guys are so intelligent. You can figure out a way to make it livable.
"Who says slavery is bad?" People who aren't psychopaths, Ryan.
Ryan sounds like a true Christian to me! lol
He's one of those guys whose only reason for not raping and murdering is because he was told it was wrong.
@@ticenits1926 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@paulgemme6056 You and I are seekers of the quantum cycle. The osmosis of rejuvenation is now happening worldwide. If you have never experienced this vector through non-local interactions, it can be difficult to self-actualize.
"Why is murder wrong? Just because it hurts the victim?"
Yes, Ryan. That's exactly it. And with that, you have shown why morality is NOT coming from your disgusting book.
@Steve-sg3uz No Atoms may be lost, but there will be more suffering. And as an atheist, I would like this world to have less suffering. It is very simple.
@Steve-sg3uz would YOU prefer to not be killed?
@@Steve-sg3uz You want to believe (or pretend to believe) that without a god to give them rules, atheists are monsters with no morality. But obviously this isn't the case. Most atheists, like most people of whatever belief, have a sense of morality that is born of the evolved trait of empathy along with their ability to reason.
Ignoring reality because it doesn't jibe with your beliefs does not speak well of your beliefs or your intelligence. And the reality is that there's nothing about atheism that stops one from being a moral person. History (along with this video) shows that having religious beliefs is much more likely to interfere with a person's natural tendency to be moral.
@@Steve-sg3uz "The atheists in here" Thanks for showing that you don't care about listening and just want to preach at people.
@@Steve-sg3uz Animals _do_ care about suffering, though. They will avoid suffering if they can.
And, yes, what you like is your preference, and there is no external standard that determines whether my preferences are 'better' than Dahmers'. However, my preferences are more similar to the majority of other peoples', so they are less likely to take action against me (and thus be less likely to cause me suffering).
I talk to religious family members and they are fine saying American slavery was horrible but suddenly get defensive when I point out slavery in the Bible. Religion warps the mind into defending the indefensible.
Ugh
They will cling to the “but not THAT kind of slavery” when pushed. Them choosing to be a weak minded human is really bothersome to society.
@@Smooshes786 They will also try and deflect by calling it indentured servitude, As if that somehow make it better.
Religion is an inoculation against reason and critical thking
Yep, believers get their blinkers on to those parts, preferring to cherry pick only the "nice" bits that make them feel warm and fuzzy.
Ryan: "The Egyptians believed in sacrificing babies."
Christian Bible: "Hold my beer 🍺"
@@Steve-sg3uz If you have to ask, you're a sociopath.
Just saying.
@@Steve-sg3uz Erm.... wot?
@@Steve-sg3uz, having or not having a belief in a god has absolutely nothing to do with children.
@@Steve-sg3uz
"Also, atheism isn't very smart if it has no oughts to have kids."
Here we go again!
Atheism is the singular answer to a singular question.
"Do you believe in a deity or deities?"
Theism=Yes
Atheism=No
Atheism has NOTHING to do with the asinine claim you made.
@@Steve-sg3uzLame bait mate, 0/8.
The big advantage I have as an atheist over theists is the fact that I do not care whether their God is real, or not. And, even if he is real, I have no need for him. And, if he is real, he knows I do not need him - so, he's leaving me alone. Then, I ask them, "Why won't you leave me alone, like God does?"
Now if they could just show one, just one demonstrable advantage. Just one.
Luvit!
@@MrCanis4 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@paulgemme6056 I never took a gift anywhere, so it's not for me.
Second, show me some proof that this Jesus dude ever existed and if so, that he had supernatural powers because I'm not convinced.
Now if you could just show one, just one demonstrable advantage. Just one.
@@MrCanis4 Witnesses, plenty of them. Read your bible: the answers are all there.
The witnesses saw and recorded history (his - story). Denying the truth will never make the truth (Jesus Christ) go away.
"well who says slavey is bad?"
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Lincoln said it. He said, "if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. "
Ryan _clearly_ doesn't live on the same planet as the rest of us, I'm glad you're here jackkraken :D
The U.S. BUILT ON SLAVERY and currently has the most slaves in prison without a trial in human history and a completely OBEDIENT population which = COMPLICITY Willful ignorance is no excuse .
You're/We're no better.....looking in a mirror is difficult , at least he has the fortitude to admit it! In merica we don't say the quiet part out loud .
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Ryan sounds like a true Christian to me! lol
@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
It never gets old. Hey, I have a claim with no evidence to back it up, but you have to assume that my claim is true until you can disprove it. If that were how the world worked it would get chaotic fast.
🤔It's why I don't have any Social Media aps
@@shaneeslickexcept YT I guess 😂
God exists because the voice(s) in my head tell me he does! lol 🤔
Theists:
A god exists!!
Atheists:
I don't believe your claims.
Theists:
Prove it!1!1!
Smh 🙄
Or even worse, "Yes you do and you're lying to say otherwise, it says so in my book!"
Scientific proof for atheism? I'm surprised my neighbours didn't hear me facepalm.
A lot of people don't know exactly how to go about challenging the subtle cancer that is atheism. It's deeply interwoven into our public school system. The theist within the institutions is the house slave that's willing to spread the other cheek and be a good little lap dog. Atheism isn't a religion, but atheism can attach to a religion. There are many naturalistic and humanistic religious organizations and even if the atheist is not attached to any of these, the dumb thing plays right into the sociopolitical mechanisms that allow collectivism two Rivers ugly head once again.
They key to dealing with your ability to wiggle out of being identified is when we look at atheistic ontology
@@Theosis1981
Good job at making you look even more lika a total imbecile🤣
You little house slave of google AI😂
That’s basically saying they have no idea what atheism is and they know they can’t prove their god exists.
@@Theosis1981
You KNOW there is only one way to objective morality and truth and you angrily refuse to follow it and go as far as to angrily deny that which you inherently know in favor of a FALSE "God" and it's cult of demoniacal followers that worship the cross it's blasphemous and equally fictional offspring supposedly died on!
Mwari is the one ontologically objectively TRUE living God and supreme creator and maintainer of the cosmos.
Have you not been awestruck by omnipotent omniscient omnipresent omnibenevolent Mwari's divine works that you have beheld in the trees, the oceans, the moon and the stars?
Humble yourself.
Renounce your evidently nonexistent FALSE "God" and it's cult of demonic followers.
Genuflect and pray for forgiveness and the warm loving embrace of the one objectively TRUE living God Mwari.
Find salvation and everlasting life in Mwari's paradise enveloped by His all encompassing divine light.
REPENT!
😁
@@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript exactly. A fairly common thing it seems, a lot of them just can't grasp the idea of not believing in something.
As Hitchens told Hannity: "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."
“Pivot. Pivot! PIVOT!”
Towards the halfway mark, I thought to myself ...
"This feels like it's slipping into a bad place".
RYAN: Hold my beer...
we're taking one helluva scary ride to the bottom.
Yeah, but what makes it scary? We'd have to define being scared, objectively.
"Debating the atheist burden of proof is like playing tennis with no net-fun, but pointless."
The burden of proof lies with the theist and they fail continuously. Why - because they are sick with scizophrenia religiosa. The discussion is about psychiatric diagnosis and not about science vs faith.
Glad that one person somewhere has fun then.
Atheists are simply responding to the theist claim of a God, by saying, "I don't believe you, so prove it..."
No atheist burden of proof required...
"And if you're just tuning in, we're in our sixth hour of the first volley of the tournament. One of them is ... sure to miss, any, um, anytime now."
You might as well throw the ball against a wall.
If I was still a believer, I couldn't argue or prove a god, which is why I don't believe anymore.
If you can believe absurdities, you can excuse atrocities.
Hi Mr. Voltaire....
The Bible is not any kind of moral standard. It’s dogma.
That's horse shit. The ontological preference influences behavior, you stoopy doofus
Yes, the buybull is dog ma. The so-called moral absolute ghod therein condoned slavery and set it as a standard to live by. It is not fit for worship.
Biblically, the xtian gh0d and his son lie multiple times and are not trustworthy.
Xtian gh0d offers slavery, genocide, misogyny, intolerance, bigotry.
Xtian gh0d is unpredictable and prone to violence.
Xtian gh0d is jealous, and proud of it.
Xtian gh0d kills well over 1 million people. Revelation puts future killings in the billions.
@@Theosis1981 "That's horse shit. "
Nope...
@@t800fantasm2 Also, his ignorant "ontological preference" strawman.
He is right in the sense that if your ontology is that your reality is "goddunit", and you think that what you do here on earth matters, then he can make up whatever "morality" he wants. And his god happens to match exactly his moral views. His god happens to ALSO be an anti-trans bigot by sheer coincidence.
@@Theosis1981You don't even know what you just said 😂
My computer wasn't working properly, so I prayed to Zeus.
Then I switched it off and back on and it worked !
That is my evidence for a god.
Lol! So true!
@@bobjohnson1587 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@paulgemme6056 Yeah, and pigs fly! Ohhh, there goes one now! It's a miracle! lol
@@bobjohnson1587 Read your bible the answers are all there.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
It started normally. He even said he understood some things, and then boom! 🤯
💥 🎵 BIBLICAL SLAAAVERY 🎵 💥
It's crazy how they have such a hard time making the very simple and agreeable statement "I believe slavery is wrong and immoral, because it hurts people."
It's tough to sit through calls like Ryan's. The amount of sophistry and emotional appeals he threw around was staggering-so many words, yet all he really said was, "I have no evidence."
The way he dodged the questions at the end? Classic. It was almost predictable, especially considering how the call began. But hey, a theist defending biblical slavery? That’s about as shocking as finding out water’s wet. It’s just par for the course at this point.
water is wet? My entire worldview just shifted.
@@Lupinemancer87
The thing that bothers me the most is how he goes from "If morality is subjective, then can't we do whatever we want?"
and then in less than a minute, goes directly to;
"Honestly, I don't really see the problem with owning slaves, and I guess you can beat them it just depends what bad things they did to deserve the beating."
I shows quite nakedly that the guy literally doesn't think that Christianity keeps people in check, because even being a devout Christian, he's more than ready to tacitly condone one of the most evil propositions that humans have ever dealt with.
"Why is murder and stealing wrong?"
Yikes.
It's a legitimate question, just one that's been answered so many times that it has become tedious to those who have put the effort into thinking about it.
But some very deep results can come from asking simple questions. Much of fundamental mathematics started in exactly this way. Success comes from thinking about them rigorously, not just tossing off a "duh, it's obvious."
Why is murder and stealing wrong? Well, the correct question is: why is murder and stealing wrong TO HUMANS. Because it's not wrong to ALL species, is it? And that's an important clue to the answer.
It's wrong to our species because ours is a SOCIAL SPECIES. We have prosocial instincts. These turn out to be generally advantageous to our survival.
There's individual variation, of course, which means that we have some members of the species who are very caring and others who are what we call sociopathic. A considerable amount of our social organization exists to handle this variation and keep the group safe.
But if we were a different species, we might well have different rules of right and wrong..That means that morality is SUBJECTIVE. It depends on the subject.
@@Steve-sg3uzYour god of the Bible is ok with murder, rape, stealing and slavery, in fact, it openly commands its followers to do so on several occasions, so I guess it would make sense for you to wonder why it's wrong.
@@Steve-sg3uzbecause in order for the human race to thrive, and the individuals in it to thrive, we as a society have decided it’s wrong.
@@Steve-sg3uz
Grape is ok with your imaginary friend too. And genocide, child unaliving..kidnapping..
@@Steve-sg3uzdumb trumper thinks his poisoning the well idiocy isn’t obvious 😂
"there's nothing wrong with slavery"
What the actual f is wrong with him? I hope he never leave his home. Ever.
Caller opens by asking about scientific proof, the comments are all talking about slavery. I can tell this is going to be a fun call.
14:08 Ryan is a sociopath.
I've heard numerous theists say on this channel that without God's laws restraining them, they'd live selfish lives of exploitation. That kind of gives you a clue to the psychological complexion of theists.
“I cried out to Jesus… and I was filled with the Holy Spirit (delusions).”
I did the same, but was filled with bourbon.
@@Here_is_Waldo That can still be a "Holy" Spirit. Depends on the brand.
In my darkest hour I did too. I thought someone was there for me. Atleast I really wanted to believe that. Now I know it was all in my head.
Theists should realize that what saved them at their lowest point was nothing more than hope. Hope is a very powerful thing, but it can come from a variety of sources. Under different circumstances someone could receive help from an Atheist and then determine that god isn't real. Hope does not equal god. Hope equals help. Nothing more.
This!
Whenever someone starts going on about "I was in a bad place but god saved me" I'm like no baby nooo! That was you! You did that! Man I wish you believed in yourself the way you believe in God.
2 funny this channel is 20 years old and the caller isnt sure if intelligent design has been discussed
Ryan is not the brightest bulb in the box.
This psycho is the perfect example of When you Worship a Monster, you yourself become Monstrous.
I prove to myself that I am not convinced that a god exists. Well, that should be enough.
and this is why athiests say that christians are completely immoral , the fact he tried to justify slavery make me sick to my stomach, he needs som karma
There's no slavery to justify in the Bible. The Hebrew term for slave, 'eved (pl. 'avadim), is a direct derivation from the verb ʿbd, "to work"; thus, the "slave" is only a worker or servant.
@Theosis1981 you can as much spin as you want, we are talking about the words on the page, the fact is the Bible is an immoral piece of garbage as it also supports blood sacrifice, child sacrifice ,genocide, I could go on
@@Theosis1981 "There's no slavery to justify in the Bible."
Shut up idiot...
They keep finding dead slaves, still with chains and shackles and signs of mistreatment before they died... female slaves were routinely raped and often forced to work in brothels...
Slaves were often bred to increase the herd so to speak...
Slaves were often worked to death...
" thus, the "slave" is only a worker or servant."
Only if you're a complete imbecile... See, bible people have been trying to "clean" up this point for years...
@@Theosis1981 "There's no slavery to justify in the Bible."
So are you saying the Hebrews were just servants in Egypt? Strange that God would intervene to rescue them from their after-school jobs...
Strange too how every culture in the area routinely captured raped, killed and so on their slaves but you are trying to make us think the Hebrews were very nice to their slaves...
Did you get educated by a turd? How the f**k can anyone as stupid as you be allowed near the internet?
@@Theosis1981 Are non-hebrew "workers" biblically considered property to be inherited by the (some other word than owner, i suppose)'s offspring?
murder in the old testament only referred to unaliving someone within your tribe. it was not considered murder if outside the tribe.
Because the bible is very very racist
At least 95% of all callers hesitate before answering a question, while they're desperately searching for a formulation of words that doesn't indict their belief system and show it to be morally reprehensible, as well as ridiculous.
About 95% of the callers DON'T answer a question...
Got to respect the work put in to create a set of questions that expose it so clearly,
"Answer the question asked!" Should be the shows motto.
"Yeah I just came across this channel that talks all about the moon landing, and uh...not sure if this has been discussed before but uh...did you guys know, that like, it was fake? Bet that totally blows your mind right!"
How can people like this caller even sleep well at night is astonishing and to think there are probably 100s of millions like him!! what a sorry world we live in!!
“Why is murder wrong?”
That’s the moment you know the debate is gonna be pointless.
It’s disgusting.
@@Steve-sg3uz This very question shows the asbsurdity of your beliefs. It’s appaling.
@@Steve-sg3uz Your invisible friend doesn’t exist. Evil is a noun, not an existing entity. The universe doesn’t care if we live or die.
@@FECtetra1918 That's right the gift is not free. It's cost Christ Jesus his life, shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. He paid for our freedom/pardon.
@@paulgemme6056 Nobody did anything for me except for my parents.
@@FECtetra1918 I know that is not true. I'm sure a lot of people did things for you and the only reason they were able to do anything for you is because the Lord God Almighty gave them the ability to do so.
They keep trying...
Isn't that the definition of insanity?
Ryan would have understood why slavery and beatings are wrong if he was the one being enslaved and beaten.
For someone who says he's a Christian he seems to have forgotten, " do unto others..."
It's a very strange and irrational cult.
Couple of things:
1. The word atheist is actually an adverb. I know it's used as a noun but it's composed of Greek and means 'a' (without) + 'theist' (God/desses).
2. You can't prove a negative. IE- what's Ryan's 'scientific proof' there's no Loch Ness monster?
3. The commandment 'thou shall not murder' is in the OT and that's where we find stories like the murder of the first born of Egypt, the flooding of the world, and how many times are the Israelites commanded to murder other tribes? Plus there's slavery, Lot gets drunk and has sex with his daughters, Jepthah sacrifices his daughter (even though some say it's just a cautionary tale, it's still reason to believe the scholars that say Israelites would occasionally sacrifice their children).
And there are other morally questionable stories I haven't mentioned.
On Sundays when folks are going to church. I tune into my favorite atheist channel to receive a real lift in my day from my follow humans. And at minute 14:08 I realize I’m an Antitheist now, Until hither too
Does anybody go to church? Their demand to teach the Bible in public schools, PROVES their failure to teach Jesus in their homes and churches. Christians will be killing Christians once again. Brother against brother -- just as it has always been since Cain and Abel. Worldwide, it's God vs God vs Not God vs No God in the Name of Jesus. Matthew 7: 22. Then the Great Re-Set on 09/23/26, when THEY unveil the NEON GAUD. Thesis vs Antithesis = Synthesis
Yet another person who knows they can’t demonstrate a god and just repeats a script to hide that fact.
Its impossible to reason with people who can't think properly.
Why is it that theists almost always duck and dodge to avoid cross-examination?
Because you fools strawman and try to keep anything from being distinguished or defined right
@@Theosis1981
Projection at its finest.
@@tonyclements1147There's no projection. What you people perceive as projection is a mirroring effect. A figurative particle and an anti particle. A reverse image
@@Theosis1981
No, it’s projection. IMAX should call you.
@@Steve-sg3uz
Don’t you have any new dumb shite to bore us with?
As soon as he said he reached out to Jesus in his lowest point it sounded like a troll, because the Christianese was just too spot on.
Asking for scientific evidence for atheism is nonsensical because it misinterprets both the definition of atheism and how evidence in science functions. It’s a category error, confusing the requirement of evidence for a claim (like “God exists”) with the absence of belief in that claim.
It's hilarious how the people suffering a g0d delusion demand that atheists provide the evidence that proves their delusion isn't one.
"I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AND THE WORD OF GOD" Well no one's perfect !
Currently arguing with some theist folks on TH-cam... Amazing how they will defend slavery when it threatens their beliefs...
Hahahaha he _could not_ admit to thinking slavery was wrong, because then he'd disagree with the Bible. Religion rots your brain on the inside, and the results of that are revealed on the outside.
Ryans absolute morality is pretty amoral.
defendants don't have to prove their innocence because you can't PROVE something that didn't happen.
Sometimes you can, in fact. It's not a universal truth.
What a massive pos that dude was. People like that hide behind religion to justify their disgusting beliefs
Not only their disgusting beliefs, but in many cases their disgusting actions.
Why call out to Jesus?
Strange most these people who become religious later in life always called out to the most popular religion life regards to where they was raised.
Wonder why universally people start with a bias to the popular religion around them.
Ryan just says what most theists believe deep down; it's moral if god says so, even if god says slavery is okay.
Humans: God, help me! I can't find my car keys! My dog has eczema! There's a Buzz Lightyear stuck ... somewhere it shouldn't be!
God: Wait, you things are still alive? Lol, I thought the flood took care of the vermin.
He started before humans and the flood. He tried an asteroid on the dinosaurs, but the bird dinosaurs survived. He tried ice-ball earth, he tried a bunch of lesser ice ages, and Christians say he tried a world-wide flood, even though we know he didn't. Anyway, it's clear to everyone that he keeps trying to kill us all and keeps failing. Kind of blows the whole omnipotence idea.
That was a man who hasn't had a rational thought in decades.
most people will never have an original thought. Original thinking is quite rare.
Rather than argue with them over the BOP, I would rather discuss what they hope to achieve by interracting with me. If their goal is to convince me to believe in God, I tell them that they will have to present evidence that God exists. If they cannot do that, I tell them, "I still do not believe in God. What now?"
Satan will be happy to take you.
@@EdithBromfeld
"Satan" is as evidently nonexistent as your FALSE "God", "Jesus the Christ of Nazareth", and "the Holy Ghost" are🤣🤣🤣
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 Satan may be your daddy. Now run along boy.
If they could somehow prove without a doubt that God is real, I would then believe that at least 1 God is real. I still would not worship that God.
There is only one God -- and that God is unchanging. Men and women, however, were designed to change -- to adapt and survive. If one sincerely reaches out to God, there is only one to be found. But people were designed to be unique from one another -- to have their own experience of God and of the world. The ONLY PROOF of God is that which you find already within you. Seek there and you shall find. That's they hypothesis, anyway, to be used as a starting point for further investigation.
15:12 Shannon's "WTF?" face at the end. Priceless.
This caller could not give a straight honest answer cause he knows he would be admitting that his holy book contradicts itself. Religious indoctrination at its best.
It was beliefs in gods that caused people to sacrifice people (including children) and animals in the first place.
ryan, before today's walking tour through long-debunked-ancient-apologetics-ville: "i'm not sure if this has been discussed before ..."
Some people who did child sacrifice belonged to Egyptian monasticism. A Christian religion...
5 mins in and things explained like a kindergartner and he still doesn’t get it
That caller was ducking and weaving all over the place. I hope one day he listens and understands how to argue effectively.
It's sad how afraid he was to rely on his own sense of morality.
Thanks!
He used like every pivot he could.
Science isn’t a belief system. It’s a method to find truth and fact with evidence.
The scientific justification for atheism is actually quite simple. Matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed. This is the first law of thermodynamics. Therefore, the universe is eternal and infinite, therefore uncreated. This is exactly what many of the atheist materialists have stated, for example Buchner and Haeckel. No entity in any form created the universe. It has always existed. That's the scientific justification for atheism.
I wouldn’t use that one. They’ll just claim their magical god can do anything.
Meaning you ask for scientific evidence of that since they demanded it of atheism it must be the best kind of evidence.
Doesn't that only apply to a closed system though? We don't know if the universe is itself closed. And with how the physics warps as we approach the big bang, we may not be able to apply our current understanding to it anyway. Better to say let's only believe in the things we can demonstrate, which rules out Gods for now.
@@Krikenemp18 Exactly. It may not be accurate to apply our physics to before/during the Big Bang.
Wow, I’ve witnessed seen someone dig themselves so deeply, and just continue to dig 😂
He bears the fruit, is he a frigging tree?
I hope for his sake he's not a fig tree.
As an aside, the ancient Egyptians didn't sacrifice babies but the early Israelites may have.
I don't understand how so many Christians get caught up on the slavery thing. It's super easy to say "Slavery was wrong then, it is wrong now, and I can only say the parts of the Bible that condone and endorse it are not divinely inspired."
Because their argument is that all of the bible is divinely inspired. It has to be. Otherwise, people can pick and choose which parts are true. And they don't want that. In order to fully control it all has to be followed.
Further, if they only want to accept the morally defensible parts as divinely inspired, that leaves them with the same moral compass as atheists, and now what's the point of the bible at all?
@@ziploc2000 that’s not really an issue for people who worship Jesus and not the Bible…
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Yeah, it's not an issue for people who only worship what is convenient lol.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Without the bible there is no Jesus.
Without A&E's original sin there's no need for Jesus' sacrifice.
Jesus accepted the Old Testament as divinely authoritative.
Sorry, you can't just ditch the OT and be a Jesus fanboy. You don't get to ignore the vast bulk of the Bible.
Wow........ just wow......
Would I become a Christian if Christianity is true?
Nope.
Never.
Especially if it makes you think like Ryan
Thank's for proving. It's not about convincing evidence of God but just ego. I wish atheists more honest like you are with your blind disbelief
@@adnanmir2873 I think you misunderstand, if Christianity were totally proven true I’d believe it…doesn’t mean I’d worship your god though…
@@adnanmir2873 no, I don't worship anything and would never bow to tyranny.
Every religion takes something from what was believed before and most times changed to fit thier thing.
It's all the same/similar stories altered here and there.
The scientific absurdity and empty words of the bible are all that i need to confirm my disbelief.The god of perpetual errors is not for me.
The idea that gods that required sacrificing babies must be false and one that doesn't is really just evidence that people create their own gods. If you believe in the god that agrees with you because it agrees with you, you just invented your own god.
I think it's more about them calling a gid that commands thoze things morally good then anything else.
Would you still love me if i commanded you to do that with the tresth of eternal torment hanging with no way out over your shoulders for not listening to my commands?
Isnt that a good example?
I think he is a troll and made a bet with his friends that he could answer every question with a question.
weird that they pretend not to value child sacrifice. Abraham was expected to show he was willing to sacrifice his son. Just cause God didnt make him go through with it just means he was spared. It was still "the moral and good thing" to obey God and be WILLING TO sacrifice his son.
Jephathah is a better example since that one actually got carried out in the story.
Ryan sounds like a true Christian! lol 😉
Why do theists begin with their weakest understanding of reality when they call into this show despite having the “most powerful god” to back them up (not while on-call in the show)?
…never seen one theist who thought this through prior to calling in.
The caller is not intellectually competent to speak to their belief system. This is frequently the case on this channel.
The folks who call in and believe in a God have not fully thought through their belief system as fully as the Atheists here
THO SHALL NOT KILL.......ONLY IN MY NAME!!!!
Why do people go to war?
So much for the salutary effect of a belief in God on people's behavior.
another one who does not understand the meaning of the words used.
Poor guy. New to the channel. Didnt know what he was in for.
Sadly for us... it was the opposite.
Not believing in any gods? Careful, that's idolatry according to some theists.
proof? I do not believe does not require proof.
Atheism stands for nothing. It is an empty "-isms." But there are other "-isms" that might explain the 1,000 varieties of atheists.
So, there IS a requirement that the defendant prove their innocence if the defendant adopts an affirmative defense. But even then, if they can’t support that defense, that doesn’t mean the defendant is guilty, it just means they have no defense.
It's not that they have a requirement to prove their innocence. At least for criminal cases in the US, they ARE presumed guilty. But if the prosecutor has evidence that shows that they are NOT innocent, then they DO have to rebut that.
For example, if they give an alibi, they have to show evidence to support that alibi. But if the prosecutor doesn't have a case, you are not required to show that alibi.
So it all depends on whether the prosecutor has evidence. If they don't have any, then you technically don't have to make any defense.
@@queueceeSounds like we basically agree.
In america, if you are low income, the arrest alone is the conviction. High income, arrest is a request and you wont be convicted even if found guilty
An absolutely shocking caller…but…don’t blame him. Blame, the disgusting think he believes.
A born again hypocrite, they are the worst of all theists.
So I wonder if it’s ok for a slave to beat him?
WOOOOWWWWW, How Fing stupid can someone be because of stories in a book?.
Please provide scientific evidence for your lack of belief in Leprecauns.
There is no objective standard of morality.
Didn't your god create Everyone @@Steve-sg3uz ?
Who's Logic @Steve-sg3uz ?? Your Philosophically ""Immoral"" Infatuation with Trans which Atheism has NOTHING to do with let alone postmodernist
_"Man, without God, doesn't know what is good and evil is"_ said Steve who truly believes it is morally good to slaughter infants to punish their parents because he has a tribal war g0d that told him so!
@@Steve-sg3uzStill beating that postmodernist Straw Man, I see.
"There is no objective standard of morality."
Then that proves there is no God...
It's the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient."
If I want to show that 2 + 2 ≠ 5, it would be *sufficient* to show that they equal 4, but it is not *necessary.* Observe:
Assume 2 + 2 = 5
Then, (2 + 2) - 2 = 5 - 2
Thus, 2 + (2 - 2) = 5 - 2
Thus, 2 + 0 = 5 - 2
Thus, 2 = 3
Well, that's not right. Thus, or original assumption that 2 + 2 = 5 must be wrong.
Notice: I haven't shown what 2 + 2 actually equal. It is not necessary to show what they equal in order to show that they don't equal 5.
It would be sufficient to show that god doesn't exist in order to justify the claim that we don't have a good reason to believe in the existence of god, but it is not necessary. If the reasons given for belief show themselves to be lacking, then that's all that is necessary. That doesn't mean there isn't a god, but it does mean there isn't any reason to think there is.
As was repeatedly pointed out: It is up to the one claiming god does exist to give a good reason to justify that claim, not the other way around.
i have a PS5 but you minions saying "i don't believe you have a PS5" have to prove i don't have a ps5.
You have to prove that you have a PS5 for others to believe you
But nobody would care. Unless it was a ' magic' PS5 that healed people, made planets... etc
I don't believe PS5s exist so you'd first have to prove they do before I could even consider you having one. 😏
Are you expecting others to believe you have a PS5? Are you expecting others to do something for you because of this PS5? I have personally seen a PS5 before so it’s not a novel or shocking claim when millions have been sold.
Your PS5 isn't the true PS5.
Brawndo has electrolytes
The society of Idiocracy was godless. They were all atheists
It's what plants crave!
It's actually very easy to bear the burden of disbelief as it's a single question to relieve it...can you as a religious person get your God to show up upon request? And the answer will always be No... with a bunch of excuses attached
I miss Shanon. Her smile spikes up my sugar
How I love messing with lefties just think you guys could be the first people to live on the moon. You guys are so intelligent. You can figure out a way to make it livable.