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Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself.
*Become a Muslim before it's too late! Accept Allah and his Apostle! You know that Islam is the one, true faith!*
"Accept my unproven sky daddy and his magic pedophile! You know it's true!" Grow up bud.
@@louisbarrow4671 No thanks
Believing in God agnosticism and atheism you can only hold one of these positions while lacking any consciousness with being completely brain-dead and that would be atheism. Because atheism is a disbelief or lack of in God or gods which means it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God.
No quality of evidence can convince someone of something they don't have the willingness or ability to accept as true.
Interesting how many atheists I come across who don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God. And if there is any atheist out there please provide evidence to why you believe that. But don't shift the burden of proof and tell me I have to prove God exists to disprove your claim the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God m
If you provide your arguments to why you believe that and if I'm not convinced then I will provide evidence to why I believe in God so we can see which one is more logical.
@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr
You better before Judgment Day!
If this guy were half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he is.
He was smart enough to convince the smartest person he has ever known of his unassailable premise. 🧐
This sounds like bilbos back handed compliment, just with more backhand. It's a backhanded backhand.
Love it.
But at what time will he reach Chicago?
😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"How do you know it's a person?"
"Because I'M a person!"
😂😂
projecting his own god complex because of course only an infinately perfect being could produce him.
I literally laughed out loud multiple times and that was one of them lol
I came here to type this out. So glad someone already did. I laughed so hard at this.
@@sammur1977 Cool, which part of the Bible explains sine waves or electromagnetism or ferrous metals, or that air is made of molecules which have pressure due to their density and energy, or that sound is fluctuations of energy through those tiny molecules, or that an electronic air pressure sensor can convert those air pressure fluctuations into electrical waves to be transmitted through ferrous metals to another device which vibrates to mechanically alter adjacent air pressure to recreate recorded sounds?
Or did rigorous scientific processes discover and describe all of that stuff, and "God" was mostly a word people used before they had figured out a better way of understanding it?
@@sammur1977So your claim starts with "the bible says"
Why should I believe what the bible says about God?
I love how he started as a member of a skeptic club of some kind that doesn't believe in the supernatural and eventually graduated to being a Roman Catholic in under 20 minutes.
"If there's no god, how could everyone find me frustrating AF?"
Because you're a loser
caller begins with "there's no magic fairies' and then proceeds to try to justify belief in his magical sky daddy
I was wondering how this call was going to get to god being real from there.
...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed.
...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
@@TheSnoeedogExactly!
It was your Daddy who caused everything
I want to know why God created baby raping serial killers if he's so loving of his creation
After all the BS, David just believes by faith. What a tosser.
For saying this evidence is atheists being nervous, the caller nervous laughs a lot. I suppose that's great evidence they don't know what they're talking about
Theatre level projection.
I might have misheard him. But did he just try to argue that we would get nervous at the notion of everyone really just being meat robots with a machinelearning matrix ( same way an AI actually works ) ??
If thats the case. No. Im perfectly fine with that. Then our free will is nothing more than different parameters that affects the outcome of each decision based on input.
So what ? Thats not scary.
It was a smug laugh. Like if he was talking down to us deluded atheists.
@@joejoe-lb6bwPerspective is a funny thing because from here he looked like a scared little boy wanting an adult to chase the monster out from underneath his bed. God is his security blankie and he ain’t letting anyone run it through the wash.
that is evidence? a feeling.
Every time you asked "how do you know that" his response was "I defined it that way."
Yeah a classic case of trying to "define God into existence". I mean sure I could call my cat "God" but that doesn't make it meaningful to anyone else. They want to know if this cat is magic. Sadly, she is not.
Says you, but can you prove it
The nervous laughter is very telling how nervous the caller is
I know, especially after claiming that atheists get nervous for trying to bring up the supernatural.
07:44 "My EVIDENCE of Supernatural is how nervous Atheists get when I talk about Determinism ..."
Caller is idiotic.
Saved you 25 more minutes of your life.
LOLZ
"I creep people out.
Therefore God."
That quote from the caller is the funniest damn thing on the interwebs this year!! BWAHAHAHA!! I laughed out loud when he said that....
Evidence of the supernatural ? You mean when atheists make the claim to the supernatural that the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God.
@@AtheistsSaltyTears Science is actually a naturalistic model of the universe. It's not supernatural.
If you think that life originating without some supernatural entity directly intervening, you may NOT understand what "supernatural" means.
@@AtheistsSaltyTearswrong but you tried(?)
It is deeply concerning how broken this caller's brain is.
that can be said about most theist callers to this show, and all the other shows we watch
It is. He seems to understand a lot but the cognitive dissonance is strong.
God showed incredible patience waiting billions of years for the 20th century for people to discover quantum mechanics and develop complicated philosophies and string theory so they could prove his existence. Seems like there would've been a quicker, simpler way...
Ah but you forget the world only existed for a handful of thousands of years if you are to believe the holy books, not THAT long of a wait. ;)
@@Nataruma Still, it would have truly been impressive if Moses had come down the mountain with an ipad instead of stone tablets. BTW, where are those stone tablets which supposedly have the only things a god ever wrote himself? The world should know things like that. Oh yeah, they never existed.
Well he did tell some illiterate goat herders a while back I think so…..
David seems to epitomise the proverb "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing".
And obviously, he absolutely failed to prove the existence of his imaginary god with his tautology
So the big bang created everything?
Apologists seem to think confusing a conversation with slippery definitions is a win.
Proving "God" with Special Pleading and Tautologies. 🙄
Its sad that someone who is clearly quite intelligent, is proposing something that dumb. He must really love his safety blanket...
A magical safety blanket and the promise of immortality seems to be stronger than rationality and reason in some people.
He studied quantum physics? This means he watched some YT videos on the subject.
he answers questions on physics like he is back in the classroom
Yeah, he studied quantum physics with Deepak Chopra...
Or got his QP education thru his church LOL
I watch college football pro football have read books on football so that should make me qualified to call plays under center next season. Review and comprehension do not equate to expertise.
Every caller's argument boils down to, "because I believe it"! Nothing they ever say stands up to scrutiny!
I am annoyed when people use hundreds of words to make simple things needlessly complicated. How many times does this guy say he's going to keep it simple only to ramble on about nothing at all.
Defensive filters in the brain, I'm right there with you. Right alongside answering a different question to the one you're asked or bouncing on with the token agreement to the point while ignoring the argument.
You have to make it complicated when you're defending a nonsensical lie.
It's sort of a modified "Gish gallop"...
@@bodricpriest8816
🤣🤣🤣 Love it!!
I was going with something like this but you got their first.
In the end he did simplify it by distilling it down to three words. _I have faith_ Come on people how much more proof do you require? 🙄
As a physicist I apologise for this (supposed) colleague.
I'm pretty sure he's not close to being your colleague.
The caller watched a BS TH-cam video about physics “connecting” with religion, so he calls himself a physicist
Don't apologise for an idiot who isn't anything like a physicist.
I got the sense he was a college kid. Or that age. Dumb and confident lol
we take 'em as they come, love :)
Wow, this guy is insufferable!
Definitely agree. Or, "hard" agree.
Yes, what an amazing amount of bullshit he spouted while being incredibly condescending with NOTHING to back up any of the claims he was making, it is really unbelievable
This call is one big failed effort to argue his version of god into existence
Well with all those “ifs” it’s no surprise.
A really intelligent sounding guy talking absolute BS and thinking it's valid. 😂
Apparently this guy studied quantum physics but thinks that everything would be deterministic if everything has natural causes.
Stupidity cannot be created or destroyed. Get a degree in something, and your stupidity will show up elsewhere.
"God has to exist because if God doesn't exist, then he's not real"
Imagine what David could achieve if he applied his formidable intellect to something more legitimate than bolstering fairy tales.
Imagine what Rachel Levine could achieve if Rachel wasn't too busy bolstering fairy tales
Any intellect he had was carved out by the church long ago.
@@JoeyLovesAshleyWrongRachel Levine? Is that Lisa?
@@quecee Lisa is more a play on words for lease a.
I'm sure Rachel's operations didn't pay for themselves.
"Formidable intellect". That has to be sarcasm, right?
Why would a perfect, all powerful being want anything?
it deserves a treat for being so perfect and fabulous
Why wouldn’t it? Have you done a study of perfect and all powerful beings on which to base your conclusion?
I’ve always wondered why it would need a plan.
I know I need to plan ahead but I also can’t just magic things into existence.
@@chuckm1961 They weren't making an assertion, they were asking a question. I think a perfectly reasonable one (I happen to know the answer and already stated it) if you don't have an answer you are in the same position as they are.
You should listen to my wisdom
Well, he's been a bit down lately. He hasn't been the same since Mary went to the tabloids with all that MeToo stuff about him getting her pregnant without her consent.
Poor David is using the horrible Circular uncaused first cause word salad that Frank Turek loves to confuse his followers with.
Yet, you atheist dopes cannot defeat the argument for the necessity of a transcendent uncaused prime cause (timeless/eternal/non-contingent).
You will lose too.
As bad of a circular argument as someone who claims that god gives objective morality. And when asked how he knows it's objective morality, it's because it's based on god's nature. And when asked how he knows that god's nature is the basis of objective morality, it's because god gives objective morality.
@@queceeOh I know. The one thing that has always stood out from the Frank Turek uncause first cause nonsense was where did he get the evidence of his god is the god and not any of the other 70,000 gods. He even debunks his own claim right from the get go. If you ever watch his nonsense videos, he starts his whole argument with an if statement. Then proceeda to load it down with the word salad. Its the same thing as the "I met a man from St. Ives" story. Start the argument or statement with the knowledge needed then confuse the listener with a word salad.
If statements are cut and dry they have no less than 2 possibilities to them. So when any argument it started with one it automatically opens a possibility that is also wrong.
It's easy for a supposed Christian (Jim or Edith or Dan) to bear false witness and randomly accuse atheists of lying on these comments. They can be complete cowards. But if they are confronted to make those same accusations directly, it's funny how they quickly they ignore the challenge. Almost like they are cowards.
Those trolls will also cry when they get insulted or told off. Meanwhile, if someone came along who had genuine questions about why atheists do not believe in a god, I for one would be happy to have a genuine and respectful discourse. Meanwhile, NEPy and Jim and all their aliases can come here, say they defeat atheists while not putting out any information, call us all liars and then say they can prove God but choose not to, and then ignore any sensible responses - and they think they're doing theism a service?!
Nope, they're just cowards and they do not deserve the courtesy of a measured response.
Not almost like, they ARE cowards...lying hypocritical cowards...
@@sirbarryvee-eight6485 There are two commenters who got on my livestream and had relatively respectful discussions. One was FlordiaBJ and the other now goes by @-D-I-V-A-
I wont' say that they were productive as it was hard to get them to understand the points that we were making, but at least they weren't cowards like NEPy, Jim/Edith, and Damonkey.
You've given him several chances to back down and avoid getting exposed. At this point, he's made his choice, and you're free to do whatever you want with the information. I'll give you credit: I would have leaked ALL of it after one post from him. You have an impressive amount of patience.
@@queceeFlorida Boy was only partially respectful, until it got near the end, then came the yelling out his Gish gallop script.
That nervous childish laugh is very telling. 😂😂😂 bs boy David.
Wow, this guy thinks he's a skeptic, hilarious, everything has a reason but his god, how does he not see the special pleading?
God has a explanation of his eternal Being in necessity, not a prior cause.
You are dead wrong to claim special pleading.
@@JimCastleberry yes, that's exactly what special pleading is, everything has a cause except this god I believe in, you are dead wrong
@@JimCastleberry Hi Edith. Does your husband know you're here?
@@JimCastleberry Jim still embarassing himself out here lmao
@@JimCastleberry "God has a explanation of his eternal Being in necessity..."
How so?
Believing in Naturalism is not the same as believing in Hard Determinism. Randomness exists regardless of whether the Supernatural can or does exist. Quantum Mechanics is not Supernatural.
Ahh, Special Pleading!
My old foe, we meet once again.
I know it’s from nervous terror, but that snide laugh really damages this conversation.
But...atheists get so nervous when he presents his arguments tho...
David got dumber and dumber at each minute went by what a train wreck
Lmao oh my god
The nervous laugh he keeps responding with says a lot. To me, it says you've got me there, so i just want to hand wave it away as if it wasn't said.
If I decide a claim hasn't met it's burden of proof, I certainly don't feel I have to jump through any hoops to 'justify' that decision. I'm certainly not swayed by the 'Principle of Sufficient Reason', which is nothing more than an assertion made without proof that everything must have a 'reason'.
If you think everything has to have a reason you should talk to my wife.
Your intellectual laziness and hypocrisy doesn't change the fact that you nobody can defeat the arguments and the rational inference to God..
I see no "what is the meaning of my life " to anything a primate says or does.
@@user-zg9oo5bj4f I take it you don't think that humans are a sub-group of primates known as the Great Apes?
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 I don't think that logically follows from anything I've posted. (1) The sub-group Great Apes contains humans, but I'm not the one you should ask. (2) A more interesting question is, why aren't humans smarter? I look at the thumbnails for videos and every title seems to be wrong or stupid in some regard. Maybe you get more views if you say something against the conventional logic. But I'm disappointed that more Americans aren't able to discard a religion based on "a dead man came back to life about 30 AD". Humans fall for con games and fake news all the time. We seem to have very little in our brains that allows us to tell "fake news" from truth.
Big apologist. Strong apologist. Comes up to me, tittering nervously. Like a hyena with a dirty secret. Says to me SIR...
Why does this sound like other made-up stories, aka lies, told by a certain infamous person. It's something that someone that's been indicted multiple times would say.
@@quecee it has a certain redolence, you're saying? A waft of griftage?
@@brucebaker810
😂
Says to me SIR... If my manner and material make you uncomfortable...I have proven my point and am correct. Hehuehhuhuheeh.
@@brucebaker810Dam pigeon shit on the chessboard again
This caller is embarrassing himself with arrogant ignorance
I don't hear arrogance, just ignorance. But that's just me.
@@imvandenh I also believe he is arrogant - arrogance is having an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities - and David's stupid laugh suggests that believes he is well more intelligent, despite the reality of his stupidity and ignorance evidenced by his terrible arguments.
What is this guy on about? Statistical systems, by definition, are not deterministic. If you cannot 100% predict (determine) the outcome, then it isnt deterministic.
Not really. It is deterministic it’s just that you lack the ability to do so.
@@Darkloid21How would you determine the position and momentum of an electron?
@@quecee Reread what I said
@@Darkloid21 You said it's deterministic. So if we had sufficient technology, we would be able to determine the exact location and momentum of an electron. And you would know EXACTLY when an O15 atom would decay.
So how can these phenomenon be deterministic? Do you understand how probabilities work?
@@quecee Probability is just shorthand for human limitations. If it wasn't deterministic then cause and effect would not apply.
Caller: God wants everything good.
The World: Well here's war, disease, famine, cancer, dead babies, parasites, murder, rape, slavery. Is that your "good," God?
Something about blah blah free will and stuff
Mysterious ways?
All part of his great plan.
🤮
David is a great example of these people wanting to be philosophers but are not.
That phone call hurts. David is just hurting himself.
A skeptical group 😂 I've heard it all
this person became the Canadian Catholic. And its funny in paul's letter never mentions his road experience, it comes from acts which is a third party claim
yeah, dork dawkins minion
Remember - it's turtles all the way down.
All of these arguments come down to the “God in the gaps” arguments.
"my evidence for the supernatural is how nervous atheists gets when I bring up determinism" bro I am literally a hard determinist
'my god is singularities and quantum foam's okay bro
I'd call myself a "soft" determinist - I think that quantum effects leave open the possibility that our next choice isn't always set in stone by its antecedents, but that we have absolutely no ability to influence that "choice". That is, I believe that we may, occasionally "choose otherwise", but not that this gives us libertarian free will.
I lost track of when the caller's talking points went totally whacky. Started off rather interesting. 🤔
We may have listened to different calls, he starts off polite but it's all still unsound assertions and strawmen.
@@bodricthered I see what you're saying. I must have been merely half-listening at the beginning.
@@bodricthered Polite... except for the continual derisive, dismissive laughs.
David - AH hEh HeH hEh hEH HEh 🤡
Nervous and bored are not the same thing, Davey.
No one who graduates philosophy 101 should be allowed to speak in public for three years.
David's smirking and laughing were some of the most annoying sounds I have ever heard. The dude is so wrapped up in himself he lives up his own a--.
16:20 "It became personal with me" **Michael Jordan voice**
It's very funny that he keeps sinking the longer he keeps talking 🤣... Which in turn it's amazing to expose the flawed thinking, fallacies, etc... Well done!
David. If you want to keep the discussion simple ... why equivocate atheist with naturalist, skeptic, etc?
What causes a muon to decay?
It isn't hard-deterministic, yet completely natural.
As far as I know.
Exactly. IF you were to take a large amount of muons and predict how many would decay after a given amount of time, then it can be considered deterministic, because we can do it to a high degree of accuracy and precision.
However, an individual muon can only be predicted in terms of probability - it will have have a 50% probability of decaying in it's half life.
Quantum says that we _cannot_ know when it will decay, as there is no causation. It's half life is an intrinsic property.
I swear, Canadian theists tend to be some of the wackiest.
Must be the crazy weather
Funny I say the same thing about Canadian atheist.
@@JoeyLovesAshleyWrongfunny that you only know 1 Canadian atheist
@@joshsheridan9511 funny I wish I didn't know any atheist , Canadian or otherwise. Atheists have done so much damage to this world. Humanism has resulted in such garbage.
Canadian born life long atheist raised in and lived in the USA for 33 years. I agree that the callers from Canada are a very strange bunch out of a very strange bunch lol.
@17:54 "Yeah, but I am the person who is going to determine if we keep listening to unfounded assertions." Now be a good lad and eat all of your porridge Einstein, eat ALL of your porridge !!!!
Many brain cells were harmed in the watching of this video. Many, many brain cells... 🤦♂
Wow, i dont know that i have ever seen someone on this show spout so much nonsensical bullshit
Gonna take a sentimental journey
Gonna set my heart at ease
Gonna take a sentimental journey
To renew old memories
of when we were free from lettered tyranny
The way I see it, If you believe in ghosts you would have to believe in gods
Goodness gracious.
Since he knows everything, why isn't this guy running for God?
Great balls of fire!
Having listened to David’s unhinged rant I can very easily understand why people get nervous when he starts talking. I would definitely want to be in a different room to anyone dribbling this garbage.
It never ceases to amaze me the things some people claim to know by fact...
Based on faith... it took a while for that to come out but there it is.
And the age old everything has a cause except my God who happens to be male.
It is possible that a sufficiently advance civilization traveled back in time and created the universe. No infinite regression. No god required.
The bootstrap paradox!
I’ve always loved John’s contemptuous scowl
Due to Heinsberg uncertainty principle, there is some randomness backed into the reality at quantum level. Even if you would have all parameters of all particles, you still not able to predict everything
The caller seems intelligent, but he presents his premises as if they're unassailable. He believes that anything outside of the observed universe must be God. The universe having a beginning should be the start of a productive conversation, not the slam dunk end of the discussion.
“Seems intelligent?” Seriously?
@theunknownatheist3815 Yes, I get it now. 👍 I was working on a woodworking project when I heard him and commented. Since then, I've heard versions of his argument over and over. It's really dumb!
Atheist Guy: So, you've got a new Proof of God for me?
Apologist Guy: Yes sir, I do.
I understand the reference!
@@TheLevantin well you're the First Guy to say so.
@@brucebaker810 Super easy, barely an inconvenience
@@TheLevantin The counterapologetic usually is. (Yeah yeah yeah yeah.)
Proofs of Gods are tight.
“I studied quantum mechanics” and then immediately makes statements that show zero understanding of quantum mechanics. He’s either lying or should have failed any course he was taking. Just sad to witness.
One minute in time God is a sat nav pillar of fire in the desert, the next He is hanging on a cross saying stuff...today He is causing the big bang...wow, the gaps are truly expanding.
David is doing nothing other than discussing the potential implications of hard determinism and using our discomfort or dissatisfaction with the idea (e.g. the lack of free will) as evidence for god or the supernatural (neither of which have been proven to exist and therefore cannot be used as prophylactics against hard determinism.) But my response to hard determinism has always been the same as my response to simulation theory (ie the proposition that we don't live in "base" reality but rather within a simulation).....and my response is always: "Even if it's true, So what?" If the simulation is so complete it cannot be seen through, pierced, or escaped from, then when it comes to those imbedded within the simulation, what is the qualitative and functional difference between the simulation and base reality itself? The answer is "None". There is no qualitative or functional difference for those imbedded within the illusion. Therefore, while it might be fun to talk about at a party or when exceedingly high, those imbedded within the simulation are completely entitled to, and actually compelled to, carry on treating the simulation as though it were base reality. In other words, if no amount of speculating or believing you don't live in base reality can result in something like the ability to step in front of speeding bus and not get obliterated, or raise your hand and stop speeding bullets like Neo from the Matrix.......then one is, in all practical terms, all but obligated to treat this simulation of speeding busses and speeding bullets as "real" and one has no choice but to behave accordingly.
So it goes with hard determinism in my estimate. If the "illusion" of free will is so complete we cannot escape the innate sense that we have it (and I would contend it is) and there's no functional way to escape the sensation that can, and do, make independent choices between alternatives.....and no amount of accepting or believing in hard determinism dispels that sensation....then practically and functionally we are entitled, and obligated, to continue to behave "as if" we have free will and organize our affairs accordingly.
Both simulation theory and hard determinism "might" be true. Fine and fair enough. But whether they are, or not, makes not one whit of difference with respect to how I am compelled to go about conducting my affairs and thus they do NOTHING to prove the existence of god or the supernatural.
You atheists get so nervous..... "nervous laughter"
He needs to study Quantum Mechanics.
"I studied quantum mechanics" and "I know quantum mechanics is deterministic" are incompatible statements. Anyone who studied QM should know that while determinism is a possible feature of some interpretations, those interpretations are not necessarily true and are probably not even the most popular. I'd argue the evidence suggests that true randomness does seem to be a feature of our reality, and even plays a roll in events on a macro scale.
David is full of crap
David's "evidence" for god: a theist pretends that atheists are "nervous" about some topic.
Matt's 2 best arguments "We now know." and "We have no idea." Hahaha hey, it works.4:50
Wow this guys arrogance is staggering! and the term “solipsism” completely wraps up what David is all about, he’s very much the center of everything
I don't know why they are assuming that atheism means non belief in the supernatural. There are plenty of atheists that believe in ghosts, for instance.
Yeah, we call them idiots.
Lots of stupid atheists supporting the cause of people who literally want them dead, too. Funny, isn’t it? 🙄
The call summed up: "I know that God exists because if he existed, he would exist"
I am shocked by his claim about quantum mechanics. The uncertainty in quantum mechanics is not a measurement problem. As the experiments demonstrate it’s actually probabilistic and not because of hidden variables.
I would love to see this guys monthly skeptics meeting
If the material is greater than the immaterial, and the universe is material and (David's claim is) God is immaterial, therefore God doesn't exist because (as David said) the effect cannot be greater than the cause. He just proved that the universe created God. What a tool.
Even if we accept the fallacious arguments that "god exists", out doesn't do the religious any good: they still have to demonstrate that it's the god of their book. So they are back to square one.
There's no such thing as the supernatural, because by definition as soon as you establish it is real, it becomes natural 🖖🏼
How many logical fallacies do we find in this half-hour video?
1) appeal to consequence: "If everything is natural, it will lead to something I don't want to accept, so it's not true."
2) false dilemma: Exclusion of supernatural doesn't mean everything has a causal explanation. Quantum physics assume particle motions are fundamentally undetermined, not just we don't have sufficient knowledge to determine where they are and how they move.
3) non sequitur: Something lacking causal explanation is not necessarily free.
4) megalomania: "The effect can't be greater than the cause, so I have must have been created by another person." This assumes the greatest possible being that can exist must be a person. How arrogant must someone be to make that assumption?
David reminds me of Destiny.
He just wants to win a debate irrespective of whether or not he has the correct position.
David, the Nervous Laugher ☻️😅😅
I get the impression that every time some atheist he's talking to throws their hands up and walks away he thinks that they're unable to refute his obvious evidence of his god instead of the far more likely scenario of them just being tired of dealing with such an exhausting idiot.
Caller should have just admitted he's afraid of dying and really wants to believe, without evidence, that he's going to a wonderful place after his body dies to serve a perfect creator for eternity.
I wonder how many callers listen back to their own calls, and realize how bad that came across.
"I know my argument is right because if it wasn't, it would be wrong."
Paraphrased, but that's the core of this amateur used-god salesman's pitch.
I am greater than my father. There you go. My father was the cause of me. And every parent if they’re in their right mind want their kids have a better life than they did.
hes saying he knows anything we dont know is proof of god,, he ducks the fact we dont know. hubris always ends badly
Mat has made a massive assumption that the first cause is outside of our universe. The first cause could be just a critical mass of a white whole which brought about the big band. We don’t know if it’s a close loop or part of a complex system of loops, ie part of a multiverse.
Caller said: "God wants Everything that's good". Then what was God's purpose in creating Evil?