I would say people should ignore idiots, but plenty of idiots have control over people. So it may be nigh impossible to persuade an idiot, but don’t stop fighting for the educated people.
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzah Why? You people never except the scientific definition anyway. So I'll give you a nonscientific one. A female is someone that you'll never touch in your entire life. Well, not consensually anyway.
A court case would be so simple in these people's worldview. The judge simply has to 'believe' that someone is guilty. Without any proof or explanation.
@@gmswhackos2652incredible non sequitur that has nothing to do with OPs comment! Also, yes we have, and examples of it are really easy to find if ya Google it. But we have seen lots of bacteria evolve in many different ways, same thing with moths. Hell, dog breeding uses the same processes that evolution does, we just are making choices instead of nature selecting the most fit
@@gmswhackos2652 Yes, we see it all the time when animals with short lifespans mutate. Now, provide evidence of something that would prevent a creature from evolving over many generations. We'll wait.
Two kinds of Christians call this show: 1. Those who, when asked a simple question, just ignore the question because that question is not on the script they're following. 2. Those who, when asked a simple question, go silent while they try to figure out how the question might be a trap, then they avoid it and change the subject just in case.
3. Dave from California, who calls everything he doesn't agree with Science Fiction and then chuckles like a small child whenever he gets backed into a corner
@@eccod Those would be the intelligent people. The ones' whose faith isn't threatened by the unambiguous fact that there is no proof of any gods' existence, and know that it's a commitment to faith, not reason. And I learned that in a Jesuit school.
This has been an arguement against a God - imagine a court where the Prosecution charges that God is guilty of existing. The burden is on the prosecution to prove the charge, the defense don't have to present evidence, instead just show the evidence the prosecution use isn't enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Theists are the prosecution. There isn't a court in the land where the prosecution has to prove the defendent is NOT guilty, and neither does the defense ever have to prove NOT guilty.
Rather, it is you atheists who lack knowledge, and this by your own admission. We who know the Lord, know that you don't know Him, and we discuss this amongst ourselves. Essentially you are blind, and we see, and we see that you are blind, stumbling around in the dark wondering what it's all about and why you are here. We know what it's all about and why we are here. And we know Him who is read to judge the quick and the dead, and we know that if you go to your grave without Christ, you will be found wanting in the balance.
Jose simply doesn't want to face the fact that his faith and his religion have no supporting evidence, so he special pleads because he really really really wants it to be true.
He very nearly slipped and tried to call himself a prophet at one time 😂. Because he's had a few "experiences" probably stoned 😂. He's really an adult frozen in an eight year olds mind
The reason so many religious people deflect questions like this is because they KNOW an honest answer will expose the weaknesses and contradictions in their beliefs and this scares the crap out of them.
Dear Theists, You claim that Atheists are dismissive, but so far on this channel all you've presented are logical fallacies and petty insults. What evidence is there for us to accept?
We all notice that you can't take the lead and present any evidence for a Godless world. That's because there isn't any. Feel free to prove me wrong with evidence that is SCIENTIFICALLY DEMONSTRABLE IN REAL TIME.
@@JimCastleberry "You already lost the debates on evidence." You have never once presented evidence proving your claims. "Fine Tuning of the initial conditions..." You've never even defined what you mean by "Fine Tuning of the initial conditions" let alone present evidence proving the claim. "You just lie and run away. " Every week you fail to show up to debate me live one during QC's live stream. Every week you know when and where to find me. How can I be running away when I'm standing still? "Then you gossip." Prove that I've ever said a single thing about you that wasn't true? Prove that I've ever told a lie ever in any TH-cam comment section ever. "Physical beginnings (KCA), Contingent existence (Leibniz), ...are all evidence." Nope those are all claims. Those are all claims that you've yet to even define, let alone present evidence to prove them. You rant and stomp your feet, but at the end of the day you are a coward who is just smart enough to know that you would only embarrass yourself if you ever showed up to QC's channel and debated me live one on one. "No amount of evidence will ever convince an idjit" You are living proof of that Little One.
@@gmswhackos2652 that was nothing but debunked arguments and the fallacy argument from ignorance while defining your god into existence. try again in a non-fallacious way.
I think you’re absolutely right. There is a fine line between challenging someone’s beliefs and assuming that they are saying something that they are not. I think about Jose’s parents and how difficult it must have been to raise a narrow-minded brat like this. José absolutely needs to learn to listen before he can have a meaningful conversation about anything.
@@SuperManning11 "how difficult it must have been to raise a narrow minded brat like this"? Are you serious? I guarantee you his parents indoctrinated him into being this way. Nobody is born like this, they just choose to stay there.
Wrong. Nobody is trying to FORCE YOU to do anything and God gave you TEMPORARY free will to make your own decisions in the sliver of time you're here on earth. But there will be a "judgement Day" for all of us regarding the decisions you made while in the body. Your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth. And if you're not "born again," you will be sealed in your sin & you will go to hell for eternity. “You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.” - John 3:7
@@neverendingparty1534 Mate, threating someone to make the 'right' choice IS forcing their hand. Also, you really arent doing a good job of selling your psychopath of a Mob boss, as per usual.
Almost 4 years since this video first aired and the arrogant Christian mindset still has not changed. 2 days ago I said I was thankful my parents were atheists and I didn’t have to suffer the religious abuses so many children have went through. A Christian immediately jumped into my conversation and said that I knew God in my heart when I was a child and my parents prevented me from having a relationship with him and now my “pride and ego prevents me from accepting the Holy Spirit”. My response was that only an extremely prideful person with a massive ego would believe they know how someone they have never met felt 48 years ago and make ignorant statements they couldn’t possibly demonstrate. The world will be so much better off after religion dies, especially Christianity.
I also would have told them that my parents were clearly more powerful than their god. I mean if they can prevent you from having a relationship with God, what kind of impotent God is he?
@@dwightfitch3120 I have a couple friends that would too. They love arguing with Christians and using the words of the Bible along with the logic and critical thinking skills that Christians do not have to shut them up. I find Christians to be insufferable. No one hopes for the Rapture more than I do. 🤣🤣🤣.
@@JoshuaWillis89 I wouldn't be too hard on him. He reminds me a lot of my step brother in the sense that he's very genuine, but has very little life experience outside of church. They've been raised in a bubble, and have been led to believe that they have all of the answers to these sorts of questions. They genuinely believe that they do, and they want to share that "knowledge". But reality eventually hits them, and it's always rough. Always
At this point i have heard every arguement for christianity specifically.. so.. me eyerolling by the end of their first sentence is simply muscle memory.
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzahYou’re gonna have to be more specific. Do you mean phenotypical female? Genotypical female? Are you maybe conflating the concept of anatomical sex with the sociological concept of gender?
It's amazing that asking someone how they demonstrate the truth of their claims makes them feel stupid - it reveals a lot about the weakness of their position.
Josh , I don't believe you prove me wrong. Is the following statement true or false. There's a female that works for the government and her name is Rachel Levine she had her name change from Richard Levine to Rachel Levine. Joshy is that statement true or false. If you say true it means you do accept bs claims as fact. There's no female working for the US government named Rachel Levine who was previously named Richard Levine.
Speaking of which did you know that at a believing in God agnosticism and atheism only one of those positions do not require thinking and that's atheism.. Atheism is an unwillingness or inability to accept God. A rock could be considered an atheist because it doesn't have the willingness or ability to accept God
Culturally accepted and endorsed attribution of experiences/ bodily sensations to causes that have never been demonstrated. The rest is ingroup vs outgroup and reward vs punishment for adherence vs dissent. As angry as such a waste makes me, it's important to remember that people don't choose bad reasoning, nobody thinks better than they learned how to. Bad answers reached people before proper explananations did. Bring as much patience to the table as you can, you're gonna need it.
@@bazingaburg8264many things that haven't been demonstrated like the idea that life can pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence. The idea that people have ancestors that were sea creatures. In every atheist humanist favorite belief the idea that they and or their children were born with a brain that doesn't match their body.
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzah Aight, i'll take the evolution thing, then the trans thing. Does the gust of wind that moves the pebble that causes the landslide point to an agent with a goal in mind? Or are superstitious people just primed to attribute whatever to their frame of belief? We came from the ocean, like it or not. our recurring laryngeal nerve had a somewhat ideal distance to cross, way back when our ancestors were fish-ish. In people, you and i, the varus nerve, the 10th brain nerve, moves down to the heart and curves back up to the voicebox. That seems like crap wiring from a crap designer, but you haven't seen the half of it. Giraffes, yes, their long-ass neck Also only has 7 cervical vertebrae, makes the Same dumb-ass detour aaaaaaall the way down the neck and Back up to the voicebox. Evolution is a mindless tinkerer, not a purposeful designer. The moment you manage to grapple with that, i won't have to refute ignorance that engenders parental concern more than anything. Now, feel free to enter your grand finale of ignorance about trans-people, i am ready. Surely, whatever ammunition you have left couldn't possibly be as embarressing as the tuchus you've exposed so far. Grow a spine and stand by your shame.
And pointing out mistakes & problems in their logic & arguments as being "manipulative". Cos they are part of a group that's brought up that it's rude & wrong to question anything about their god. To believe that the God subject is protected from scrutiny.😶
Dan's example was spot on: You watch a scary movie, and you think someone is at the door. Jose not only repeatedly 'watches Chucky movies" but is regularly reinforced that "chucky is real" by many around him who also claim the things he feels is the presents of Chucky - who no one ever sees (replace Chucky with any invisible religious claim). Some are even in one or another echo chamber since birth.
"You dont talk like a normal person." Yeah, because this isnt a normal conversation. When you're having an intellectual conversation, you're not always speaking about normal topics, so you won't always be speaking as you would in a casual conversation. This topic is about logic and epistemology, and those require thought and insight. You're also going to be challenged. That is not typical of a casual conversation with your friends.
What he meant was "You don't let yourself being manipulated". He is used to the church's teachings being accepted and never challanged, so when they are he doesn't know how to react.
@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 I almost wrote something very similar to this, but I decided to take it a different way. Very often when theists say something like "you don't understand" or "you take it out of context" what they're really saying is exactly what you're saying they, "you won't let me manipulate you" or "why won't you accept the apologetic spin my pastor told me." They legitimately don't understand how you can not accept their "logic" they don't like the pain of the cognitive dissonance you force them into
@@briaf3370 Why especially religious people? It's not religious people who are cross-dressing and mutilating their children because somebody told them without a shred of physical evidence that their children have a brain that doesn't match their body, whatever that means.
Jim Castleberry and Neverending Fraud, for example, spam the same tired drivel time and time again, and can never substantively engage substantive responses. Dismissive responses to that are utterly warranted!
“Substantive” like your arguments that arguments are not actually arguments? As for your assertions you said: “Again, atheism is not the state of a God not existing” so anything you say is virtually meaningless, because you’re psychologically unable to think.
Hey Jose. Taking someone at their word does not work in a court of law. We do not convict "A" of murdering "B" because "C" says that "A" murdered "B". "C" must provide evidence (beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt) that "A" murdered "B". If "A" states that they did not murder "B", we do not take "A" at his word and allow "A" to go free with presumed innocence. Accepting someone's word based on faith and gut feelings is not a path to determine truth. I hope you are never asked to serve on a jury.
Normally that's true, but there have been plenty of cases of people sent to prison on nothing but eyewitness testimony. Earlier today I was reading about a guy named Darryl Howard, who spent 20 years in prison for a double murder he didn't commit. DNA evidence that would have shown he wasn't involved was deliberately suppressed by prosecutors. The whole case was eyewitness testimony and nothing else.
When I did my jury service we ended up not convicting the accused because of lack of evidence. I personally am not sure whether they commited the crime or not
@@alexhetherington8028 Exactly correct. If you lack the evidence for conviction and other possibilities inject a shadow doubt, then you must find the defendant No Guilty. You have not achieved an absolute decision that the accused is innocent, only that you cannot make a determination that the accused is guilty. The theist is not able to provide adequate evidence to prove that God is guilty of existing. The default for the atheist is to find God not guilty of existing....although the atheist can not find God to be innocent of existing either.
As I was never pressured into believing things that cannot be demonstrated to be true, I consider myself at liberty to question the validity of claims that cannot be demonstrated to be true. To make matters worse for the claimant, even real experiences can be assumed to fit with beliefs that cannot be demonstrated to be true.
So humans did come from soup? I can prove God in a variety of ways, while at the same time, you have no rational atheist explanation for reality. So you lose out of the gate. God is easily proved. Romans 1:20 declares that God is proved by his creation, so I'll prove creation. Can you point to anything that can't be counted, measured & had no beginning or end (INFINITE)? No, you can't. EVERYTHING in this FINITE universe can be counted, measured & has a beginning and an eventual end. That means it was created; thus, "natural causes" don't exist. Nature can't be the "cause" of anything, because DYING/FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy) was created/designed from nothing by God. And ALL MATTER doesn’t do nothing but dissipate over time - LOSING INFORMATION. That’s why you never observe any GAIN OF NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because it doesn’t exist, can’t exist & never will exist. TO FURTHER PROVE GOD; if it can be "counted or measured" it's a DYING/FINITE (having a beginning & an eventual END/death) entity that has a cause. Then, we simply ascertain what RATIONAL POSSIBLE cause has LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY to give and the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to give it. No atheist cause (e.g. nothing, star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, primordial soup) fits the bill. This SCIENCE points to God and nothing else. God proved/Atheism debunked. P.S. - More evidence for God is that no atheist on the face of this earth has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. They should SHUT DOWN THIS CHANNEL until they do have a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. The asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. It’s time to dump your atheist cult, but you have to want to do it. Everybody desperately clings to the atheist cult out of tragedy or wanting to take the path of least resistance & rebel against their creator for the gift of life given them. They simply don’t want to pay the price. They expect “A FREE LUNCH” when life itself teaches you that “THERE’S NO FREE LUNCH!” But we have to pay the price for anything that has value. It’s time you say “yes” to Jesus. I’ll help you.
@@brantsonoverton1367 Are you ever going to provide verifiable/repeatable evidence that supports you claim? "Hell is in the center of the earth. volcanoes happen to make more room in hell for sinners."
I’m not afraid of Chucky, Voldemort or Vampires - but I am also equally unafraid of the Devil or hell. I am afraid of religious extremists forcing us all to play make believe with them.
Claims made without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence. If everyone dismisses your claims, maybe you should evaluate your reasons for making them.
Whining, straw men, baseless complaints, self-perceived persecution, complaining about curse words… How laughably pathetic and likely why he’s dismissed as often as he is.
Somewhere around 19 minutes in, I'm liking what's being pursued. The caller's point seems to be that he affirms the direct experience of the holy spirit, and that atheists deny what he has experienced. The hosts are trying to explain that these feelings aren't reliable. The caller is defensive because feelings are feelings and intellectual challenges aren't feelings. The caller isn't prepared to engage in this discussion: he is easily confused. He believes because he and millions of others feel something. Thinking has nothing to do with it.
This seems to be a constant tactic of believers in the process of trying to defend their beliefs by deflecting the questions to other inappropriate responses ! And it is frustrating to deal with these dishonest apologists when they deflect in such manners !
19:35 This is one of the things that lead me away from religion. I was told that the euphoric goosebump feeling was the Holy Spirit, and then I would get that feeling listening to certain secular music.
one of the reasons i hate christian music as a nonbeliever and musician is because of how obviously manipulative it is. there’s a lot of cheap tricks they use to evoke certain emotions in their audience.
Jose said a tired old cliche. Not everyone has to put one pant leg on at a time. My dad used to use that line. I showed him one day how wrong that line is by sitting down and lifting both legs sliding on both pant legs, and so on. Its faster then dancing around putting one leg at a time.
"The power of faith" is not the faith itself, but the self deception to accept faith as a valid way to truth. So really it's not even a power, but a huge weakness, as demonstrated all too often on this and other shows! Showing power is to reject faith based belief, no matter who is urging you to it, and showing you can think for yourself, rationally, logically, and within the confines of known truth and reality!
Poor Jose has been coddled and protected by his religious community for so long that he can't cope with hard questions that examine his beliefs. He reminds me of a child desperately defending his belief in Santa Claus.
He calls them smug but every time the give an example he gives the condescending “Aw come on!” Ex “millions of people have faith.” “Well millions speak in tongues.” “That’s crazy!”
The opportunity to debate me live this Saturday one on one is fast approaching. As usual Pizza Cutter the Purple Space Penguin, and My Little Sock-Puppet have both chickened out. Will YOU join them as cowards for your contrived creator?
Who would ever believe their lies that they've already have had debates and, surprise, surprise, they won ALL their debates! Why don't they just admit that they count TH-cam comments as debates and they win by just saying they won?
Quecee is this another one of your tags, are you pretending to be somebody else, again. Can we debate about metzitzah jobs and how it's causing so many baby boys to die from complications due to herpes. And discuss some of the passages from the Talmud and how it requires its followers to force non followers of the Talmud into atheism. My guess is you don't want to talk about these things because you don't want to expose your own culture custom traditions and laws. PS why do you ban people from your thread and then talk about them. If you're going to talk s*** about them on your thread give them the opportunity to defend themselves. You know how you have a history of lying straw Manning and quoting people out of context. I caught you countless times doing this..
@@queueceelol lol lol lol lol lol. I was just asking the op if he is really quecee using another account.. and guess who I see on the thread responding to the op it's quecee lol . I don't know if this is another one of your accounts like beacon80 and diviance but it sure looks suspicious
@@queueceePS I keep telling you you're not going to grow your channel because you're a known liar, you constantly straw man and you constantly quote people out of context . You ignore arguments that don't fit your narrative.. Look at how well shows like CNN are doing now because of all the straw Manning, quotes out of context and lies. Work on your moral character before you think of doing a live stream.
Jon, I will be there and thanks to getting the right meds, I will be able to speak without choking. Oh and if Brad smith1295 turns up, I'm going to need him to define just what he believe a "civil conversation" is, because I find it fecking hard not to swear.
Meanwhile we have theist stalkers who obsess over attention on every video who admit they know their god claims aren’t true but still come to vent with childish insults and scripts meant to obfuscate the truth. Just ask a basic question of “how do we know what you say is true” or “how do we know your god is real and others aren’t” and their main response is to lie about your position. “You have to prove everything created itself” when that’s not what anyone says. Except other theists.
@@neverendingparty1534while we can all agree you have failed in some fundamental sense, it’s an odd observation to then apply to all around you. This is also an exceptionally arrogant and egotistical take. A little humility and some honest self-reflection would probably work wonders for you. Just a suggestion, you’re obviously free to take it or leave it.
@@katiebarber407 STOP w/ your stupidity. Jesus did/does exist. Keep in mind that Jesus was considered a rogue of society. An outcast of not only the church, but the community. "CRUCIFY HIM!" they shouted. I doubt the NYTimes of the time would publish an article about him. There’s just as much evidence of Jesus as there is evidence for anything else of that time. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean, Jewish rabbi who preached his message orally, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate. “Jesus did exist, whether we like it or not.” - Bart Ehrman, New Testament ATHEIST scholar - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be, since both Josephus and Tacitus... agree with the Christian accounts on at least that basic fact." - John Dominic, N.T. Scholar "There is no scholar in any college or university in the western world who teaches classics, ancient history, new testament, early Christianity, any related field who doubts that Jesus existed.” - Bart Ehrman, New Testament ATHEIST scholar - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Historian Gary Habermas lists 39 ancient sources for Jesus, from which he enumerates more than 100 reported facts about his life, teachings, crucifiction and resurrection. In fact, the historical evidence for the execution of Jesus is so strong that one of the most famous New Testament scholars in the world - Gerd Ludemann of Germany (atheist), said “Jesus’ death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable.” Denying the existence of Jesus doesn’t make it go away; it only proves that no amount of evidence will convince you.
@@asyetundetermined Son, this is a war zone and I don't take prisoners. As an atheist, you have nothing to bring to the debate table, because NOTHING you believe in has ever been SCIENTIFICALLY DEMONSTRATED IN REAL TIME (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution). I've been doing this for 50 yrs, so you stand no chance against me. You can't even lead, because you have nothing to present and you never will have something of the atheist cult to present, because NO IDEA of the asinine atheist cult can be SCIENTIFICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution).
As I get older, I realize these old sayings are more right than not, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make a drink “ Did I mention the horse was a bartender?
This guys statement near the beginning, of "you DO choose to believe something" makes it clear that he also wouldnt understand the concept that no one can change your mind for you - you change your mind based on what they did or said, but its still YOU that changes your mind, not them.
@@scotttchviski6706thing is though his call reached the Holy Spirit call centre. "Thank you for your call, it is important to us. I'm afraid there is no one here to take your call at the moment, but please leave your prayers after the tone and we will ignore them as usual"
I think the best way to get the message across to him would have been to have him describe the actually feeling WITHOUT letting him say what caused it. For example, “I felt a warmth that started near my heart and then over the next 30 seconds it radiated outwards until it encompasses my entire body and then I felt a sense of euphoria” - and totally accept the fact that he had that experience - and then separately, ask him “and what do you think caused it”. -‘D dispute that. The way the call actually went, I don’t think the caller had the abilities to separate the feeling from the source he ascribed it. It was all one thing, “The Holy Spirit entered my body” 🙄 Forcing him to separate the feeling from the cause may have flowed better into “I experienced that too and thought the same thing, but then years later, I felt it again from sex or drugs or listening to music - and realized I was wrong”
Yep, this is what I thought too. He doesn't understand how we all come upon our understanding of the world & our experiences. Through physical evidences of our experiences from birth. Then the language we are taught to describe those experiences. He's mixing the experience & his language to explain the "source" for it.
This is what happens when a theist is presented with a question that deep down inside they know their own honest answer is in direct conflict with their spiritual beliefs. There are only 2 choices for them. 1) Cling to their life long illogical spiritual beliefs. Or 2) Accept that those beliefs cannot be supported by what we actually know to be true and leave their unfounded spiritual beliefs behind.
He has no idea what dismissive is, because I am now many layers deep into the dismissive of fairytales. The progress of my perspective went: - Religions ~1990s-2003 - Cults 2003-2015 - Mythologies 2015-2023 - Conspiracy Theories 2023-now When I realized they have more in common with conspiracy theorists than any other group in our society, it was mind-blowing. Ended up writing down every trait of a conspiracy theorists, and almost every single one was a match, and not all conspiracy theory groups even match up as well. That pretty much sums it up.
Look...you cannot lump the supernatural in with conspiracies which are nothing more than crimes which are plotted by 2 or more people in secrecy. 290 million people were killed last century by their own governments yet you cant bring yourself to believe that people in power are capable of commiting conspiracies? Do you have any idea as to how stupid this makes you look?
Irony is lost on Jose. He INSTANTLY dismissed speaking in tongues as nonsense but wasn't willing to accept that someone else could do the same for his beliefs
"Are you afraid of chuckie lol." Dude they're not afraid of your devil either? Is that your point? They're not afraid of the Boogeyman?! You've convinced me. Praise Jebus!
God is easily proved. Romans 1:20 declares that God is proved by his creation, so I'll prove creation. Can you point to anything that can't be counted, measured & had no beginning or end (INFINITE)? No, you can't. EVERYTHING in this FINITE universe can be counted, measured & has a beginning and an eventual end. That means it was created; thus, "natural causes" don't exist. Nature can't be the "cause" of anything, because DYING/FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy) was created/designed from nothing by God. And ALL MATTER doesn’t do nothing but dissipate over time - LOSING INFORMATION. That’s why you never observe any GAIN OF NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because it doesn’t exist, can’t exist & never will exist. TO FURTHER PROVE GOD; if it can be "counted or measured" it's a DYING/FINITE (having a beginning & an eventual END/death) entity that has a cause. Then, we simply ascertain what RATIONAL POSSIBLE cause has LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY to give and the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to give it. No atheist cause (e.g. nothing, star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, primordial soup) fits the bill. This SCIENCE points to God and nothing else. God proved/Atheism debunked. P.S. - More evidence for God is that no atheist on the face of this earth has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. They should SHUT DOWN THIS CHANNEL until they do have a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. The asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. It’s time to dump your atheist cult, but you have to want to do it. Everybody desperately clings to the atheist cult out of tragedy or wanting to take the path of least resistance & rebel against their creator for the gift of life given them. They simply don’t want to pay the price. They expect “A FREE LUNCH” when life itself teaches you that “THERE’S NO FREE LUNCH!” But we have to pay the price for anything that has value. It’s time you say “yes” to Jesus. I’ll help you.
Drugs and sex have given me better feelings than any religious feeling I ever had in my entire life. Any feeling that I had that I thought was great with religion, has been matched or beaten by many other things in life.
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Jose is a classic example of how it is impossible to win an argument against an idiot.
I would say people should ignore idiots, but plenty of idiots have control over people. So it may be nigh impossible to persuade an idiot, but don’t stop fighting for the educated people.
Supply a rational definition for the word female.
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzah Why? You people never except the scientific definition anyway. So I'll give you a nonscientific one. A female is someone that you'll never touch in your entire life. Well, not consensually anyway.
Likewise, they will interpret it as winning.
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzah hoooooooo... bringing out the big guns
Caller:
'when you ask me questions I can't and don't want to answer, you make me look like an idiot!'
Logic is hell of a drug,,too some,,deadly poison.
A court case would be so simple in these people's worldview. The judge simply has to 'believe' that someone is guilty. Without any proof or explanation.
Or the judge and the jury just have to take the word of the defendant. 😂 POOF! ✨Crime doesn't exist anymore ✨
Under their form of morality, everyone already knows.
Have you seen anything evolve? I have not so why would I believe it?
@@gmswhackos2652incredible non sequitur that has nothing to do with OPs comment! Also, yes we have, and examples of it are really easy to find if ya Google it. But we have seen lots of bacteria evolve in many different ways, same thing with moths. Hell, dog breeding uses the same processes that evolution does, we just are making choices instead of nature selecting the most fit
@@gmswhackos2652 Yes, we see it all the time when animals with short lifespans mutate. Now, provide evidence of something that would prevent a creature from evolving over many generations. We'll wait.
The exact same people who always say “F your feelings” always insist that their feelings are valid evidence. Pathetic
Yes, because it's F _YOUR_ feelings... never theirs.
Yes and it’s ironic because like the theist, most left wing woke liberal also base their ideas on emotions instead of logic.
So true. They love to discount gender politics on that basis but give it adoration when it’s some personal experience that made them feel good
Two kinds of Christians call this show:
1. Those who, when asked a simple question, just ignore the question because that question is not on the script they're following.
2. Those who, when asked a simple question, go silent while they try to figure out how the question might be a trap, then they avoid it and change the subject just in case.
There is a rare third type who listen to the hosts questions and respond honestly. What a shock, those calls don't get hostile.
Every question is a trap.
For example, even a simple question, such as, "can a donkey talk?"
3. Dave from California, who calls everything he doesn't agree with Science Fiction and then chuckles like a small child whenever he gets backed into a corner
and the "You're sending innocent kids right into satan's arms!" kind.
@@eccod Those would be the intelligent people. The ones' whose faith isn't threatened by the unambiguous fact that there is no proof of any gods' existence, and know that it's a commitment to faith, not reason. And I learned that in a Jesuit school.
45 Minutes = "Hey, this logical reasoning stuff is manipulative and unfair!"
Hahahaha. Its very ironic.
“Manipulative and unfair”= things that don’t support the conclusion I want others to adopt unquestioningly.
It's only 33 minutes long!
@@porkyboy4226yeah, that’s part of the joke
@@porkyboy4226 In OP's defence, listening to it felt like a lifetime :p
Judge: "How do you plead?" Defendant: "Not guilty." Judge: "Fair enough...Case dismissed!"
Well I FEEL not guilty. I mean come on judge, you’ve been not guilty before. You know what you felt.
It worked for Aileen Cannon.
@@rembrandt972ify Who she?
Well technically the prosecutor is the one with the burden of proof.
This has been an arguement against a God - imagine a court where the Prosecution charges that God is guilty of existing. The burden is on the prosecution to prove the charge, the defense don't have to present evidence, instead just show the evidence the prosecution use isn't enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Theists are the prosecution. There isn't a court in the land where the prosecution has to prove the defendent is NOT guilty, and neither does the defense ever have to prove NOT guilty.
"I get how this works, I understand what you said"
Narrator: "He in fact, did not."
It only works if you say that in Morgan Freeman's voice!
There is no ignorance like christian knowledge.
CRUELTY IS JUSTICE
FAITH IS KNOWLEDGE
INNOCENCE IS SIN
Holy Father is watching you.
@Leith_Crowther No, Ganesha is watching you. You're worshiping a false god. I have faith im right, and I have faith that your faith is wrong.
Ooga booga
There's also Islamic knowledge.
Rather, it is you atheists who lack knowledge, and this by your own admission.
We who know the Lord, know that you don't know Him, and we discuss this amongst ourselves.
Essentially you are blind, and we see, and we see that you are blind, stumbling around in the dark wondering what it's all about and why you are here.
We know what it's all about and why we are here. And we know Him who is read to judge the quick and the dead, and we know that if you go to your grave without Christ, you will be found wanting in the balance.
When Dan asked Jose a question he STILL wouldn't answer the fing question.
Jose simply doesn't want to face the fact that his faith and his religion have no supporting evidence, so he special pleads because he really really really wants it to be true.
He very nearly slipped and tried to call himself a prophet at one time 😂. Because he's had a few "experiences" probably stoned 😂. He's really an adult frozen in an eight year olds mind
Jose is unable to answer honestly. Squirming around, deflecting, misrepresenting..
Jose: YEAH, Pentecostals are ridiculous!! 😂
If someone is asked a simple yes/no question over and over again, and they do not want to/can't give a direct answer. That's very stupid or dishonest.
Unlike atheists, I have all the important "answers" or I wouldn't be here. Ask away...
@@neverendingparty1534 stfu neppy
@@neverendingparty1534 You should call the show show and give your "answers"
@@neverendingparty1534 you have no answers, just lies and assertions.
The reason so many religious people deflect questions like this is because they KNOW an honest answer will expose the weaknesses and contradictions in their beliefs and this scares the crap out of them.
Translation: They are dishonest and they won't accept it.
Dear Theists,
You claim that Atheists are dismissive, but so far on this channel all you've presented are logical fallacies and petty insults. What evidence is there for us to accept?
We all notice that you can't take the lead and present any evidence for a Godless world. That's because there isn't any. Feel free to prove me wrong with evidence that is SCIENTIFICALLY DEMONSTRABLE IN REAL TIME.
@@JimCastleberry "You already lost the debates on evidence."
You have never once presented evidence proving your claims.
"Fine Tuning of the initial conditions..."
You've never even defined what you mean by "Fine Tuning of the initial conditions" let alone present evidence proving the claim.
"You just lie and run away. "
Every week you fail to show up to debate me live one during QC's live stream. Every week you know when and where to find me. How can I be running away when I'm standing still?
"Then you gossip."
Prove that I've ever said a single thing about you that wasn't true? Prove that I've ever told a lie ever in any TH-cam comment section ever.
"Physical beginnings (KCA), Contingent existence (Leibniz), ...are all evidence."
Nope those are all claims. Those are all claims that you've yet to even define, let alone present evidence to prove them. You rant and stomp your feet, but at the end of the day you are a coward who is just smart enough to know that you would only embarrass yourself if you ever showed up to QC's channel and debated me live one on one.
"No amount of evidence will ever convince an idjit"
You are living proof of that Little One.
@@gmswhackos2652 that was nothing but debunked arguments and the fallacy argument from ignorance while defining your god into existence.
try again in a non-fallacious way.
@@oxidize11 lol. more nonsense. Try again. Your entire statement is incoherent.
There does not appear to be any evidence for any gods. End of discussion.
This dude is so afraid of "being wrong" that he takes anything less than endorsement as adversary
I think you’re absolutely right. There is a fine line between challenging someone’s beliefs and assuming that they are saying something that they are not. I think about Jose’s parents and how difficult it must have been to raise a narrow-minded brat like this. José absolutely needs to learn to listen before he can have a meaningful conversation about anything.
@@SuperManning11 "how difficult it must have been to raise a narrow minded brat like this"? Are you serious? I guarantee you his parents indoctrinated him into being this way. Nobody is born like this, they just choose to stay there.
Jose argues like a child. And he is desperate to be the victim. Sad.
He has a child's like faith and has been told the world is against him.
I'm going to be dismissive and aggressive to adults who have an imaginary friend and their delusion is trying to force me to do/not do something.
Wrong. Nobody is trying to FORCE YOU to do anything and God gave you TEMPORARY free will to make your own decisions in the sliver of time you're here on earth. But there will be a "judgement Day" for all of us regarding the decisions you made while in the body. Your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth. And if you're not "born again," you will be sealed in your sin & you will go to hell for eternity.
“You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.” - John 3:7
@@neverendingparty1534I can't tell if this is satire or if you really don't get it
@@neverendingparty1534 Mate, threating someone to make the 'right' choice IS forcing their hand. Also, you really arent doing a good job of selling your psychopath of a Mob boss, as per usual.
@@neverendingparty1534are you a troll?
@@katiebarber407 What am I to "get?" Be specific and scientifically demonstrate it in real time.... or don't bother wasting my time.
Almost 4 years since this video first aired and the arrogant Christian mindset still has not changed. 2 days ago I said I was thankful my parents were atheists and I didn’t have to suffer the religious abuses so many children have went through. A Christian immediately jumped into my conversation and said that I knew God in my heart when I was a child and my parents prevented me from having a relationship with him and now my “pride and ego prevents me from accepting the Holy Spirit”. My response was that only an extremely prideful person with a massive ego would believe they know how someone they have never met felt 48 years ago and make ignorant statements they couldn’t possibly demonstrate.
The world will be so much better off after religion dies, especially Christianity.
I also would have told them that my parents were clearly more powerful than their god. I mean if they can prevent you from having a relationship with God, what kind of impotent God is he?
@@thebodykeepsthescore2828 SO TRUE! I’m going to remember that.
You are probably right. But, perversely, if Christianity goes, I will probably miss it-in some strange way
@@dwightfitch3120 I have a couple friends that would too. They love arguing with Christians and using the words of the Bible along with the logic and critical thinking skills that Christians do not have to shut them up. I find Christians to be insufferable. No one hopes for the Rapture more than I do. 🤣🤣🤣.
Of course we are dismissive. Claims made without evidence are dismissed automatically.
They're always so worried about the words you say meanwhile I'm worried they're going to take my rights and kill me if I don't believe in their God
💯
It’s always the people espousing the most abhorrent beliefs that want to call others out for cussing.
I truly appreciate how defeated he was by the end of the call after whining relentlessly the entire time. What an effing baby.
@@JoshuaWillis89 I wouldn't be too hard on him. He reminds me a lot of my step brother in the sense that he's very genuine, but has very little life experience outside of church. They've been raised in a bubble, and have been led to believe that they have all of the answers to these sorts of questions. They genuinely believe that they do, and they want to share that "knowledge". But reality eventually hits them, and it's always rough. Always
It is fascinating that a man who believes that the holy spirit tells him things says that believing someone to be a prophet is "crazy."
That’s not fair. Just because I’M deservingly smug and rightfully dismissive doesn’t mean all atheists are.
At this point i have heard every arguement for christianity specifically.. so.. me eyerolling by the end of their first sentence is simply muscle memory.
José: I'm upset because you're not letting me win!
Jose was the sort to give stupid answers and blame the person asking for it as if they made them do it.
This caller has the brain of a child
A child is smarter than this guy.
It’s not impossible that Jose WAS a child at the time of the call. Not like nine years old, sure, but maybe 14-17?
I bet he can supply a rational definition for the word female, can you
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzahYou’re gonna have to be more specific. Do you mean phenotypical female? Genotypical female? Are you maybe conflating the concept of anatomical sex with the sociological concept of gender?
Please don’t insult a child’s intelligence.😂
“You’re just dismissive...” he said dismissively. “Speaking in tongues is just crazy!!” he said dismissively.
It's amazing that asking someone how they demonstrate the truth of their claims makes them feel stupid - it reveals a lot about the weakness of their position.
Am i smug? Nope
Do I accept bs just because people claim it's a fact? Nope
You are NOT Smaug?
@@queuecee nope he was my dad 😁😁
Josh , I don't believe you prove me wrong.
Is the following statement true or false.
There's a female that works for the government and her name is Rachel Levine she had her name change from Richard Levine to Rachel Levine.
Joshy is that statement true or false.
If you say true it means you do accept bs claims as fact. There's no female working for the US government named Rachel Levine who was previously named Richard Levine.
It is hard to think when you are not used to do it.
Speaking of which did you know that at a believing in God agnosticism and atheism only one of those positions do not require thinking and that's atheism..
Atheism is an unwillingness or inability to accept God. A rock could be considered an atheist because it doesn't have the willingness or ability to accept God
"...man must be guided by reason "
-Ayn Rand-
“If someone agreed with me then I’d believe what they said.” -caller
"What we have here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach."
I genuinely don't understand how people could think like this?
no education monday to friday and indoctrination on sunday
Culturally accepted and endorsed attribution of experiences/ bodily sensations to causes that have never been demonstrated. The rest is ingroup vs outgroup and reward vs punishment for adherence vs dissent. As angry as such a waste makes me, it's important to remember that people don't choose bad reasoning, nobody thinks better than they learned how to. Bad answers reached people before proper explananations did. Bring as much patience to the table as you can, you're gonna need it.
@@scrobag1really, I didn't know the atheist humanist drag queen story hour events were on Sunday I thought they had him on Saturdays ,
@@bazingaburg8264many things that haven't been demonstrated like the idea that life can pop into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.
The idea that people have ancestors that were sea creatures. In every atheist humanist favorite belief the idea that they and or their children were born with a brain that doesn't match their body.
@@AtheistsLustMetzitzah Aight, i'll take the evolution thing, then the trans thing.
Does the gust of wind that moves the pebble that causes the landslide point to an agent with a goal in mind? Or are superstitious people just primed to attribute whatever to their frame of belief?
We came from the ocean, like it or not. our recurring laryngeal nerve had a somewhat ideal distance to cross, way back when our ancestors were fish-ish. In people, you and i, the varus nerve, the 10th brain nerve, moves down to the heart and curves back up to the voicebox. That seems like crap wiring from a crap designer, but you haven't seen the half of it. Giraffes, yes, their long-ass neck Also only has 7 cervical vertebrae, makes the Same dumb-ass detour aaaaaaall the way down the neck and Back up to the voicebox.
Evolution is a mindless tinkerer, not a purposeful designer. The moment you manage to grapple with that, i won't have to refute ignorance that engenders parental concern more than anything.
Now, feel free to enter your grand finale of ignorance about trans-people, i am ready. Surely, whatever ammunition you have left couldn't possibly be as embarressing as the tuchus you've exposed so far. Grow a spine and stand by your shame.
I love how these jokers perceive expecting straight answers as hostility. Speaks volumes.
And pointing out mistakes & problems in their logic & arguments as being "manipulative".
Cos they are part of a group that's brought up that it's rude & wrong to question anything about their god.
To believe that the God subject is protected from scrutiny.😶
Dan's example was spot on: You watch a scary movie, and you think someone is at the door.
Jose not only repeatedly 'watches Chucky movies" but is regularly reinforced that "chucky is real" by many around him who also claim the things he feels is the presents of Chucky - who no one ever sees (replace Chucky with any invisible religious claim).
Some are even in one or another echo chamber since birth.
"You dont talk like a normal person."
Yeah, because this isnt a normal conversation. When you're having an intellectual conversation, you're not always speaking about normal topics, so you won't always be speaking as you would in a casual conversation. This topic is about logic and epistemology, and those require thought and insight. You're also going to be challenged. That is not typical of a casual conversation with your friends.
The average person is an idiot
People don’t tend to bring up the existence of invisible sky fairies in everyday conversation.
What he meant was "You don't let yourself being manipulated".
He is used to the church's teachings being accepted and never challanged, so when they are he doesn't know how to react.
@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 I almost wrote something very similar to this, but I decided to take it a different way. Very often when theists say something like "you don't understand" or "you take it out of context" what they're really saying is exactly what you're saying they, "you won't let me manipulate you" or "why won't you accept the apologetic spin my pastor told me."
They legitimately don't understand how you can not accept their "logic" they don't like the pain of the cognitive dissonance you force them into
Jose has the kind of insecurity that comes from mundane stupidity...
Perfect candidate for religion
@@briaf3370
Why especially religious people? It's not religious people who are cross-dressing and mutilating their children because somebody told them without a shred of physical evidence that their children have a brain that doesn't match their body, whatever that means.
Sounds more like you're describing the atheistic humanist LGBT community
@@Andre-zw5kl Don’t feed the troll
@@saicharand7765you're right man, my bad
Jim Castleberry and Neverending Fraud, for example, spam the same tired drivel time and time again, and can never substantively engage substantive responses. Dismissive responses to that are utterly warranted!
“Substantive” like your arguments that arguments are not actually arguments? As for your assertions you said: “Again, atheism is not the state of a God not existing” so anything you say is virtually meaningless, because you’re psychologically unable to think.
Hey Jose. Taking someone at their word does not work in a court of law. We do not convict "A" of murdering "B" because "C" says that "A" murdered "B". "C" must provide evidence (beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt) that "A" murdered "B". If "A" states that they did not murder "B", we do not take "A" at his word and allow "A" to go free with presumed innocence. Accepting someone's word based on faith and gut feelings is not a path to determine truth. I hope you are never asked to serve on a jury.
Normally that's true, but there have been plenty of cases of people sent to prison on nothing but eyewitness testimony. Earlier today I was reading about a guy named Darryl Howard, who spent 20 years in prison for a double murder he didn't commit. DNA evidence that would have shown he wasn't involved was deliberately suppressed by prosecutors. The whole case was eyewitness testimony and nothing else.
When I did my jury service we ended up not convicting the accused because of lack of evidence. I personally am not sure whether they commited the crime or not
@@alexhetherington8028 Exactly correct. If you lack the evidence for conviction and other possibilities inject a shadow doubt, then you must find the defendant No Guilty.
You have not achieved an absolute decision that the accused is innocent, only that you cannot make a determination that the accused is guilty.
The theist is not able to provide adequate evidence to prove that God is guilty of existing.
The default for the atheist is to find God not guilty of existing....although the atheist can not find God to be innocent of existing either.
small correction, there isn't the legal standard of "shadow
of a doubt". I think you mean "reasonable doubt".
@@JPPan-hq6le I covered all the bases by stating; "beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt". LOL
If theists want us to not be dismissive, they should stop asking such dumb questions and making such specious arguments.
As I was never pressured into believing things that cannot be demonstrated to be true, I consider myself at liberty to question the validity of claims that cannot be demonstrated to be true. To make matters worse for the claimant, even real experiences can be assumed to fit with beliefs that cannot be demonstrated to be true.
So humans did come from soup? I can prove God in a variety of ways, while at the same time, you have no rational atheist explanation for reality. So you lose out of the gate.
God is easily proved. Romans 1:20 declares that God is proved by his creation, so I'll prove creation. Can you point to anything that can't be counted, measured & had no beginning or end (INFINITE)? No, you can't. EVERYTHING in this FINITE universe can be counted, measured & has a beginning and an eventual end. That means it was created; thus, "natural causes" don't exist. Nature can't be the "cause" of anything, because DYING/FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy) was created/designed from nothing by God. And ALL MATTER doesn’t do nothing but dissipate over time - LOSING INFORMATION. That’s why you never observe any GAIN OF NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because it doesn’t exist, can’t exist & never will exist.
TO FURTHER PROVE GOD; if it can be "counted or measured" it's a DYING/FINITE (having a beginning & an eventual END/death) entity that has a cause. Then, we simply ascertain what RATIONAL POSSIBLE cause has LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY to give and the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to give it. No atheist cause (e.g. nothing, star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, primordial soup) fits the bill. This SCIENCE points to God and nothing else. God proved/Atheism debunked.
P.S. - More evidence for God is that no atheist on the face of this earth has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. They should SHUT DOWN THIS CHANNEL until they do have a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. The asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. It’s time to dump your atheist cult, but you have to want to do it. Everybody desperately clings to the atheist cult out of tragedy or wanting to take the path of least resistance & rebel against their creator for the gift of life given them. They simply don’t want to pay the price. They expect “A FREE LUNCH” when life itself teaches you that “THERE’S NO FREE LUNCH!” But we have to pay the price for anything that has value. It’s time you say “yes” to Jesus. I’ll help you.
@@brantsonoverton1367 Are you ever going to provide verifiable/repeatable evidence that supports you claim?
"Hell is in the center of the earth. volcanoes happen to make more room in hell for sinners."
Well said 🍻
The caller just makes assertions then projects onto the hosts. He’s disingenuous for not answering their questions.
I’m not afraid of Chucky, Voldemort or Vampires - but I am also equally unafraid of the Devil or hell. I am afraid of religious extremists forcing us all to play make believe with them.
‘It’s not a game of chess’ dude is right it is way harder than chess to get someone close minded to think.
We dismiss BS. Period.
And José does not look like an idiot.
…he IS one.
It's baffling to me how many callers can't/ won't answer simple questions
It baffles my mind even to this day...😂👌💯
Joze came to preach.
Claims made without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence. If everyone dismisses your claims, maybe you should evaluate your reasons for making them.
There's no maybe about it. unfortunately, childhood indoctrination is a tough cage to break free from.
“The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility, and vice versa.” - Robert A. Heinlein
this caller legitimately seems like he's having a full breakdown in his crisis of faith, goddamn, i feel bad for him
Whining, straw men, baseless complaints, self-perceived persecution, complaining about curse words…
How laughably pathetic and likely why he’s dismissed as often as he is.
This guy is so baffled by logic
So Jose knows what everybody else's experience is but nobody can know his experience.
Somewhere around 19 minutes in, I'm liking what's being pursued. The caller's point seems to be that he affirms the direct experience of the holy spirit, and that atheists deny what he has experienced.
The hosts are trying to explain that these feelings aren't reliable. The caller is defensive because feelings are feelings and intellectual challenges aren't feelings. The caller isn't prepared to engage in this discussion: he is easily confused. He believes because he and millions of others feel something. Thinking has nothing to do with it.
There's always going to be a problem between a person with a faith based perception and someone who uses critical thinking as a weapon.
He twists and turns like a twisty-turny thing.
I say you're a weedy pigeon, and you can call me 'Susan' if it isn't so!"🤣
I concur. Both twisty AND turny!
You must be a scientist with all those technical terms
Wow. "Jose" asking the hosts to talk to him like he's a child. Sad.
"I think I saw a thing, but I'm not sure what thing I thought I saw"
This seems to be a constant tactic of believers in the process of trying to defend their beliefs by deflecting the questions to other inappropriate responses ! And it is frustrating to deal with these dishonest apologists when they deflect in such manners !
19:35 This is one of the things that lead me away from religion. I was told that the euphoric goosebump feeling was the Holy Spirit, and then I would get that feeling listening to certain secular music.
one of the reasons i hate christian music as a nonbeliever and musician is because of how obviously manipulative it is. there’s a lot of cheap tricks they use to evoke certain emotions in their audience.
The widespread ignorance and lack of understanding among the general public are truly astonishing.
Jose said a tired old cliche. Not everyone has to put one pant leg on at a time. My dad used to use that line. I showed him one day how wrong that line is by sitting down and lifting both legs sliding on both pant legs, and so on. Its faster then dancing around putting one leg at a time.
"The power of faith" is not the faith itself, but the self deception to accept faith as a valid way to truth. So really it's not even a power, but a huge weakness, as demonstrated all too often on this and other shows! Showing power is to reject faith based belief, no matter who is urging you to it, and showing you can think for yourself, rationally, logically, and within the confines of known truth and reality!
We all have silly beliefs, it is the way our brains work. The problem is when people allow their stupidity to leak out into the real world.
Jose is BY FAR the WHINIEST caller I have ever heard on one of these calls.
“It…it…it…it…”
Literally trying to think of an answer that doesn’t make himself sound stupid 😂
Poor Jose has been coddled and protected by his religious community for so long that he can't cope with hard questions that examine his beliefs. He reminds me of a child desperately defending his belief in Santa Claus.
BINGO! 🔥🔥
He calls them smug but every time the give an example he gives the condescending “Aw come on!” Ex “millions of people have faith.” “Well millions speak in tongues.” “That’s crazy!”
The opportunity to debate me live this Saturday one on one is fast approaching. As usual Pizza Cutter the Purple Space Penguin, and My Little Sock-Puppet have both chickened out. Will YOU join them as cowards for your contrived creator?
Who would ever believe their lies that they've already have had debates and, surprise, surprise, they won ALL their debates!
Why don't they just admit that they count TH-cam comments as debates and they win by just saying they won?
Quecee is this another one of your tags, are you pretending to be somebody else, again.
Can we debate about metzitzah jobs and how it's causing so many baby boys to die from complications due to herpes. And discuss some of the passages from the Talmud and how it requires its followers to force non followers of the Talmud into atheism.
My guess is you don't want to talk about these things because you don't want to expose your own culture custom traditions and laws.
PS why do you ban people from your thread and then talk about them. If you're going to talk s*** about them on your thread give them the opportunity to defend themselves.
You know how you have a history of lying straw Manning and quoting people out of context. I caught you countless times doing this..
@@queueceelol lol lol lol lol lol.
I was just asking the op if he is really quecee using another account.. and guess who I see on the thread responding to the op it's quecee lol .
I don't know if this is another one of your accounts like beacon80 and diviance but it sure looks suspicious
@@queueceePS I keep telling you you're not going to grow your channel because you're a known liar, you constantly straw man and you constantly quote people out of context .
You ignore arguments that don't fit your narrative..
Look at how well shows like CNN are doing now because of all the straw Manning, quotes out of context and lies.
Work on your moral character before you think of doing a live stream.
Jon, I will be there and thanks to getting the right meds, I will be able to speak without choking.
Oh and if Brad smith1295 turns up, I'm going to need him to define just what he believe a "civil conversation" is, because I find it fecking hard not to swear.
14:20 HE ANSWERED A QUESTION!!!!!
finally
Barely!😂
Should be pinned comment TBH
I am only dismissive when the situation warrants, I hope!
Meanwhile we have theist stalkers who obsess over attention on every video who admit they know their god claims aren’t true but still come to vent with childish insults and scripts meant to obfuscate the truth.
Just ask a basic question of “how do we know what you say is true” or “how do we know your god is real and others aren’t” and their main response is to lie about your position. “You have to prove everything created itself” when that’s not what anyone says. Except other theists.
Religious decepticons believers
I'm only 10mins in and feel like it's been an hour. Jose is so unbelievably whiny
Faith is just believing in yourself, why add a middle man to that?
Wrong. The flesh is full of nothing but failure. That's why we need a savior to change us into a person that is worthy to approach God the Father.
@@neverendingparty1534but there's no evidence of this savior character
@@neverendingparty1534while we can all agree you have failed in some fundamental sense, it’s an odd observation to then apply to all around you. This is also an exceptionally arrogant and egotistical take. A little humility and some honest self-reflection would probably work wonders for you. Just a suggestion, you’re obviously free to take it or leave it.
@@katiebarber407 STOP w/ your stupidity. Jesus did/does exist. Keep in mind that Jesus was considered a rogue of society. An outcast of not only the church, but the community. "CRUCIFY HIM!" they shouted. I doubt the NYTimes of the time would publish an article about him.
There’s just as much evidence of Jesus as there is evidence for anything else of that time. Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean, Jewish rabbi who preached his message orally, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.
“Jesus did exist, whether we like it or not.” - Bart Ehrman, New Testament ATHEIST scholar - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
“That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be, since both Josephus and Tacitus... agree with the Christian accounts on at least that basic fact." - John Dominic, N.T. Scholar
"There is no scholar in any college or university in the western world who teaches classics, ancient history, new testament, early Christianity, any related field who doubts that Jesus existed.” - Bart Ehrman, New Testament ATHEIST scholar - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Historian Gary Habermas lists 39 ancient sources for Jesus, from which he enumerates more than 100 reported facts about his life, teachings, crucifiction and resurrection. In fact, the historical evidence for the
execution of Jesus is so strong that one of the most famous New Testament scholars in the world -
Gerd Ludemann of Germany (atheist), said “Jesus’ death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable.”
Denying the existence of Jesus doesn’t make it go away; it only proves that no amount of evidence will convince you.
@@asyetundetermined Son, this is a war zone and I don't take prisoners. As an atheist, you have nothing to bring to the debate table, because NOTHING you believe in has ever been SCIENTIFICALLY DEMONSTRATED IN REAL TIME (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution). I've been doing this for 50 yrs, so you stand no chance against me. You can't even lead, because you have nothing to present and you never will have something of the atheist cult to present, because NO IDEA of the asinine atheist cult can be SCIENTIFICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution).
As I get older, I realize these old sayings are more right than not,
“You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make a drink “
Did I mention the horse was a bartender?
The saying is.....you can take a horse to water but a pencil has to be lead...😂
My grandad used to say “You can lead a horse to water and, sometimes, they p!ss in it”
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." That's how the saying actually goes haha.
I always use, 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't stop it being a fucking idiot'
Mt stepfather used “You can lead a horse to water, but make bloody sure you drink first"
It makes sense if you're an Aussie.
The other day I had someone accuse me of being dismissive.
I told them to eff off and walked away.
This guys statement near the beginning, of "you DO choose to believe something" makes it clear that he also wouldnt understand the concept that no one can change your mind for you - you change your mind based on what they did or said, but its still YOU that changes your mind, not them.
I talked to the Holy Spirit the other day, but He hung up on me.
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I've called lots of times - the Holy Spirit never answers. At least you got it to pick up.
@@scotttchviski6706thing is though his call reached the Holy Spirit call centre.
"Thank you for your call, it is important to us. I'm afraid there is no one here to take your call at the moment, but please leave your prayers after the tone and we will ignore them as usual"
when he said it was no way to tell if someone hear the holy spirit or if they are lying, it was over for him.
I think the best way to get the message across to him would have been to have him describe the actually feeling WITHOUT letting him say what caused it. For example, “I felt a warmth that started near my heart and then over the next 30 seconds it radiated outwards until it encompasses my entire body and then I felt a sense of euphoria” - and totally accept the fact that he had that experience - and then separately, ask him “and what do you think caused it”. -‘D dispute that. The way the call actually went, I don’t think the caller had the abilities to separate the feeling from the source he ascribed it. It was all one thing, “The Holy Spirit entered my body” 🙄 Forcing him to separate the feeling from the cause may have flowed better into “I experienced that too and thought the same thing, but then years later, I felt it again from sex or drugs or listening to music - and realized I was wrong”
Yep, this is what I thought too.
He doesn't understand how we all come upon our understanding of the world & our experiences.
Through physical evidences of our experiences from birth. Then the language we are taught to describe those experiences.
He's mixing the experience & his language to explain the "source" for it.
Lol, "i understamd you have all this knowledge, but please, don't use it!" 😂
Guess what, Jose? Your beliefs are completely ridiculous!
Has he not seen the show before, he got absolutely mauled.
Every caller seems to be a contestant in a contest to find out who is the dumbest.
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Religion breaks the mind. Just fucking sad to see how difficult it is for them to make logical connections
This is what happens when a theist is presented with a question that deep down inside they know their own honest answer is in direct conflict with their spiritual beliefs. There are only 2 choices for them. 1) Cling to their life long illogical spiritual beliefs. Or 2) Accept that those beliefs cannot be supported by what we actually know to be true and leave their unfounded spiritual beliefs behind.
Boohoo! Poor little victim Jose!
He's only ever had preachers explain things to him
Jose is way too defensive and insecure about his beliefs to have this conversation honestly... 🤦🏽♂️
13:20 It's like talking to Will Farrell in Elf when he gets into the city for the first time. 😂😂😂
Bro could have had $10k.
He has no idea what dismissive is, because I am now many layers deep into the dismissive of fairytales.
The progress of my perspective went:
- Religions ~1990s-2003
- Cults 2003-2015
- Mythologies 2015-2023
- Conspiracy Theories 2023-now
When I realized they have more in common with conspiracy theorists than any other group in our society, it was mind-blowing. Ended up writing down every trait of a conspiracy theorists, and almost every single one was a match, and not all conspiracy theory groups even match up as well.
That pretty much sums it up.
Look...you cannot lump the supernatural in with conspiracies which are nothing more than crimes which are plotted by 2 or more people in secrecy.
290 million people were killed last century by their own governments yet you cant bring yourself to believe that people in power are capable of commiting conspiracies? Do you have any idea as to how stupid this makes you look?
Irony is lost on Jose. He INSTANTLY dismissed speaking in tongues as nonsense but wasn't willing to accept that someone else could do the same for his beliefs
This caller keeps changing the questions he's asked to fit his narrative...
Just answer with a little honesty...
Goodbye fool...
"Are you afraid of chuckie lol." Dude they're not afraid of your devil either? Is that your point? They're not afraid of the Boogeyman?!
You've convinced me. Praise Jebus!
Love how they twist their ideas for their imaginary friend 😂😂😂😂😂
God is easily proved. Romans 1:20 declares that God is proved by his creation, so I'll prove creation. Can you point to anything that can't be counted, measured & had no beginning or end (INFINITE)? No, you can't. EVERYTHING in this FINITE universe can be counted, measured & has a beginning and an eventual end. That means it was created; thus, "natural causes" don't exist. Nature can't be the "cause" of anything, because DYING/FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy) was created/designed from nothing by God. And ALL MATTER doesn’t do nothing but dissipate over time - LOSING INFORMATION. That’s why you never observe any GAIN OF NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because it doesn’t exist, can’t exist & never will exist.
TO FURTHER PROVE GOD; if it can be "counted or measured" it's a DYING/FINITE (having a beginning & an eventual END/death) entity that has a cause. Then, we simply ascertain what RATIONAL POSSIBLE cause has LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY to give and the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to give it. No atheist cause (e.g. nothing, star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, primordial soup) fits the bill. This SCIENCE points to God and nothing else. God proved/Atheism debunked.
P.S. - More evidence for God is that no atheist on the face of this earth has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. They should SHUT DOWN THIS CHANNEL until they do have a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. The asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. It’s time to dump your atheist cult, but you have to want to do it. Everybody desperately clings to the atheist cult out of tragedy or wanting to take the path of least resistance & rebel against their creator for the gift of life given them. They simply don’t want to pay the price. They expect “A FREE LUNCH” when life itself teaches you that “THERE’S NO FREE LUNCH!” But we have to pay the price for anything that has value. It’s time you say “yes” to Jesus. I’ll help you.
Religious decepticons
Drugs and sex have given me better feelings than any religious feeling I ever had in my entire life. Any feeling that I had that I thought was great with religion, has been matched or beaten by many other things in life.
fuck'n Matt is good
These people REFUSE to answer any question directly
If we appear dismissive, it's because we're right.
Right about what?
@@deepsmoo8955 You're dismissed.
@@byteme9718 Why? It was a simple question, how does being an atheist make you inherently correct about anything?