Very happy that 7's is getting the GW support I never thought it would. Most it of it looks fine, but there's no way I'm using the drafting rule for my new 7's league. Arbitrarily losing players outside the match is still as anti-fun as it always was.
Big fan of most of the new sevens rules. Especially the NUTS desperate measures. Definitely making a few builds that include one for the teams that can include them. The random skilling up I don't feel too good about though. It just seems a little too random, and if you're the same TV as someone that managed to get block on big guys and you've just got shadowing then you're gonna be in for a tougher game, and your TV will be the same for it. I'll try it before judging it too harshly though. Already got an online league planned with the rules to start in a couple weeks, we'll just definitely not be using the drafting rule because we all think it's far too feel bad!
Played our first rounds of 7s today. The way we did with kick-off is the following: 1) You have to aim at the receiving teams 1/3rd of the pitch. 2) The ball can land anywhere in the receiving teams 1/3rd or the midfield 1/3rd. 3) Touchback if outside the pitch, or in the kicking teams 1/3rd. From the BB2020 rulebook: A kick-off must land safely in the receiving team's half of the pitch. If the ball deviates or bounces off the pitch or the *_Line of Scrimmage into the kicking team's half of the pitch_* for any reason, a touchback is caused.
Just to clearify what I mean. The rules say the ball cannot cross the LoS _into_ the kicking team's half. It does not say the ball cannot cross the LoS _out of_ the receiving team's half.
Thanks for the video. My first game of 7s with the kids today and it was a winner. They always take longer to play as they get sidetracked so less players and turns helped. Plus I think I preferred the setup where there are no blocks on turn 1 - just a blitz; doesn't penalise the kicker so much.
Oh that’s fantastic!! Did they enjoy it?? And yeah, everything you just said is so right! No Line of Slaughter means you get to use your team a lot more 😅
@@BoneheadPodcast They did enjoy it which is great as I now have a gaming group in the house :) I wonder what the standard game would be like if there even a two square no mans land at the start to separate the teams
I'm a little worried that the random skills will just make teams who start with strong skills (Amazons, Norse, Dwarfs, etc.) maintain their advantage through a league, especially if other teams' players who roll a good core skill get drafted out, whilst the A/N/D players are immune.
Alas, you are not wrong! I'm sure we took a little dive into the best players with random skills, and you're right - those will key skills already just get better!
Some interesting changes. I agree with your thoughts on it though couple of things that are op for fast agility players. Looking forward to trying them out first though.
Going to wait & play the rules for a bit first before passing final judgement, but a little disappointed about the positional rules (was hoping for the 'half' rule to return) as it hurts teams like OWA who just become essentially another human team? 🤔
Yeah, it definitely would have shaken things up a bit! Ultimately it's like old Sevens, but ever so slightly worse (but nothing you can't house rule better!) 😁
Has anyone ever used 7s as a farm team. Where if a player gets called your pro team is allowed to sign them? And/or visas versa? And run simultaneously 7s/bloodbowl leagues?
@@BoneheadPodcast So what's your opinion on Snotlings without Rookies? These 3-4 (or more) little guys make a big difference in my opinion. Is there any chance / sense for Green Menace in sevens without house rule?
If a player gets drafted is the team reimbursed the replacement cost, or can it force you to play shorthanded or with a journeyman if you don't have the funds?
That was my reaction, too. If not I'll definitely push my group to house rule that, if we include drafting at all. Then it becomes a roll of 1 to lose a skill, essentially, which is much less feel bad.
@@R0ssMM I could totally get behind a house rule that the farm team gets compensated the drafted players TV. Loosing a player as a result of death or the ire of nuffle is one thing, but to survive and skill up then be snatched away is another. Besides in pro sports the top level pro team is funding the underlying levels of minor league programs anyway.
I played and enjoyed normal BB many years back, but it's a game that just only really worked as league/tournament plays, and not so much as one-off games. So I am curious if sevens could be something for me. I would only play against 1 opponent. It could be one-off games, but it would be even better if we could play multiple games with the same teams, and gaining some skills for the players. Would that work well, or is BB-sevens also a game that works better as league/tournaments? Or does someone has any suggestions if you will only be playing with the same 1 opponent?
I've bought the Death Zone supplement a week ago and I still don't find the page where it says that the ball scatter with one D6. Is there an erratum?? I feel like I don't even know how to read
Haha hey Vincent! It doesn’t actually say anything about the kick off - at all! So it’s just kicked off the same was as the normal version. In the unofficial 7s rules it was two D6 and take the lowest! 🤔 now the kicks might be a little more random!
I'm really not sure about the leaving to the pros rule. Just imagine a league and you roll really badly and lose three players with skills. Suddenly mid season you lose your core players. Can't compete and don't have the cash to replace them. Irrelevant of fluff how is that fun. Imagine spending a fortune on a big guy. Get him his first skill next game bang he is gone. I think it makes way more sense to have a cap on the number of skills/spp in a team only players who have three skills are forced to roll to retire. This would better represent those who a skilled but never get good enough to join the pros and have a full career on the minors.
Hey Jay, I totally agree with you! It is thematic, but there'll be situations that arise because of it that simply just aren't fun for anyone!! Or even have it at the end of the seasons anyone with 2/3 skills etc isn't available for next season?
@@BoneheadPodcast someone had the idea that the pros buy the player out of the contract which could be a good.odea so you are not left in the lerch. Even then I think only players with three skills should be effected. Even then there should be a way to retain some players long term. Surely some are just not good enough to rose to the pros. Currently every player that lives long enough will get there.
My thought, run a 7s and 11 league simultaneously, but the only way to add players to your 11 team is from the players on your 7s team.
Very happy that 7's is getting the GW support I never thought it would. Most it of it looks fine, but there's no way I'm using the drafting rule for my new 7's league. Arbitrarily losing players outside the match is still as anti-fun as it always was.
Haha, it's quite a harsh rule! 😁
The DZ7s stuff is pretty high narrative and very low competitive!
Really appreciate this set of updates! Thanks!
Thanks Nick!! 😁
Big fan of most of the new sevens rules. Especially the NUTS desperate measures. Definitely making a few builds that include one for the teams that can include them.
The random skilling up I don't feel too good about though. It just seems a little too random, and if you're the same TV as someone that managed to get block on big guys and you've just got shadowing then you're gonna be in for a tougher game, and your TV will be the same for it.
I'll try it before judging it too harshly though. Already got an online league planned with the rules to start in a couple weeks, we'll just definitely not be using the drafting rule because we all think it's far too feel bad!
Played our first rounds of 7s today. The way we did with kick-off is the following:
1) You have to aim at the receiving teams 1/3rd of the pitch.
2) The ball can land anywhere in the receiving teams 1/3rd or the midfield 1/3rd.
3) Touchback if outside the pitch, or in the kicking teams 1/3rd.
From the BB2020 rulebook:
A kick-off must land safely in the receiving team's half of the pitch. If the ball deviates or bounces off the pitch or the *_Line of Scrimmage into the kicking team's half of the pitch_* for any reason, a touchback is caused.
Just to clearify what I mean. The rules say the ball cannot cross the LoS _into_ the kicking team's half. It does not say the ball cannot cross the LoS _out of_ the receiving team's half.
Thanks for the video. My first game of 7s with the kids today and it was a winner. They always take longer to play as they get sidetracked so less players and turns helped. Plus I think I preferred the setup where there are no blocks on turn 1 - just a blitz; doesn't penalise the kicker so much.
Oh that’s fantastic!! Did they enjoy it??
And yeah, everything you just said is so right! No Line of Slaughter means you get to use your team a lot more 😅
@@BoneheadPodcast They did enjoy it which is great as I now have a gaming group in the house :) I wonder what the standard game would be like if there even a two square no mans land at the start to separate the teams
Yessss!! So glad to hear that!! 😁😁😁
Oh wow... Dice that’s genius! That’s worth looking into!
Can't wait! Picking my copy up Saturday and prolly gonna build a Sevens pitch.
Yessss!! 😁 Let us know how you get on!
The High Kick Rule is not a problem, since you can deliberately cause touchbacks to prevent High Kick One Turns.
I'm a little worried that the random skills will just make teams who start with strong skills (Amazons, Norse, Dwarfs, etc.) maintain their advantage through a league, especially if other teams' players who roll a good core skill get drafted out, whilst the A/N/D players are immune.
Alas, you are not wrong! I'm sure we took a little dive into the best players with random skills, and you're right - those will key skills already just get better!
I'm wondering what system to house rule in. Does anyone know why the normal SPP system isn't used in 7s? Is it just for fluff reasons?
Cant pick up my copy until Tuesday, thanks for dropping this video 😁👍
Definitely worth waiting for!! 😁
@@BoneheadPodcast the mercenaries is the bit I'm most excited for aside from 7s rules 😁
Cannot wait for this to arrive.
Hopefully it arrives today for you! 😁
Some interesting changes. I agree with your thoughts on it though couple of things that are op for fast agility players. Looking forward to trying them out first though.
Wasnt that injury table the same one used about 15+ yrs ago.
Going to wait & play the rules for a bit first before passing final judgement, but a little disappointed about the positional rules (was hoping for the 'half' rule to return) as it hurts teams like OWA who just become essentially another human team? 🤔
Yeah, it definitely would have shaken things up a bit!
Ultimately it's like old Sevens, but ever so slightly worse (but nothing you can't house rule better!) 😁
Has anyone ever used 7s as a farm team. Where if a player gets called your pro team is allowed to sign them? And/or visas versa? And run simultaneously 7s/bloodbowl leagues?
Hey Denis, this is a superb idea! Our local league is talking about this for when we re-open!
@@BoneheadPodcast I’m curious what sort of refinements you guys come up with.
Yeah this is a really interesting idea!
We are trying this out this upcoming season, will let you know how it goes 😎
riteous rookie is not a legal inducement though...
Oh no...
It's not on the list! That's an automatic house rule!!
@@BoneheadPodcast So what's your opinion on Snotlings without Rookies? These 3-4 (or more) little guys make a big difference in my opinion. Is there any chance / sense for Green Menace in sevens without house rule?
Is 600K gold recommended for exhibition as well? They didn't really provide any guidance around that.
@ 9:30 What is a Speed League?
If a player gets drafted is the team reimbursed the replacement cost, or can it force you to play shorthanded or with a journeyman if you don't have the funds?
The rule doesn't mention any compensation.
That was my reaction, too. If not I'll definitely push my group to house rule that, if we include drafting at all. Then it becomes a roll of 1 to lose a skill, essentially, which is much less feel bad.
@@R0ssMM I could totally get behind a house rule that the farm team gets compensated the drafted players TV. Loosing a player as a result of death or the ire of nuffle is one thing, but to survive and skill up then be snatched away is another. Besides in pro sports the top level pro team is funding the underlying levels of minor league programs anyway.
I'd house rule you get the base player cost re-imbursement (No value from skills reimbursed)
@@chrispopple7849 I could get behind that too.
I played and enjoyed normal BB many years back, but it's a game that just only really worked as league/tournament plays, and not so much as one-off games. So I am curious if sevens could be something for me. I would only play against 1 opponent. It could be one-off games, but it would be even better if we could play multiple games with the same teams, and gaining some skills for the players. Would that work well, or is BB-sevens also a game that works better as league/tournaments? Or does someone has any suggestions if you will only be playing with the same 1 opponent?
Shame that they've decided that the 7s pitch should be the same price as a limited run 11s pitch.
Luckily there are many third party 7s pitch makers.
@@Stormtrooper1787 and most 11s pitches are double sided and can be marked up 🤣
Steve - that's a great way to do it for free!
@@BoneheadPodcast wish I could claim it as my idea but no can do. Have seen others have been doing that for years already. Now to actually do it 😁
I've bought the Death Zone supplement a week ago and I still don't find the page where it says that the ball scatter with one D6. Is there an erratum?? I feel like I don't even know how to read
Haha hey Vincent! It doesn’t actually say anything about the kick off - at all! So it’s just kicked off the same was as the normal version.
In the unofficial 7s rules it was two D6 and take the lowest! 🤔 now the kicks might be a little more random!
@@BoneheadPodcast thanks man!! It's official I can't read, it was in the core rules 😭
I'm really not sure about the leaving to the pros rule. Just imagine a league and you roll really badly and lose three players with skills. Suddenly mid season you lose your core players. Can't compete and don't have the cash to replace them. Irrelevant of fluff how is that fun. Imagine spending a fortune on a big guy. Get him his first skill next game bang he is gone. I think it makes way more sense to have a cap on the number of skills/spp in a team only players who have three skills are forced to roll to retire. This would better represent those who a skilled but never get good enough to join the pros and have a full career on the minors.
Hey Jay, I totally agree with you!
It is thematic, but there'll be situations that arise because of it that simply just aren't fun for anyone!!
Or even have it at the end of the seasons anyone with 2/3 skills etc isn't available for next season?
@@BoneheadPodcast someone had the idea that the pros buy the player out of the contract which could be a good.odea so you are not left in the lerch. Even then I think only players with three skills should be effected. Even then there should be a way to retain some players long term. Surely some are just not good enough to rose to the pros. Currently every player that lives long enough will get there.