Skid-Flip Asymmetrical vs. Symmetrical - When Should You Use Each? | SPECTO Comparison | BrunsNick
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- When is the right time to use a skid-flip asymmetrical hybrid bowling ball vs. a skid-flip symmetrical hybrid ball?
There are some key factors you need to pay attention to when you're bowling in order to recognize and make the proper choices during competition. In this video, I'll be testing a Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid vs Ebonite GB4 Hybrid.
With the help of SPECTO data, I'll highlight the differences in each ball and their general tendencies when it comes to reaction shape, overall hook and continuation.
Here are the SPECTO data points used and definition of each term:
Total Hook - Total number of boards the ball crosses on the way to the pins.
Hook Power - Number of boards the ball hooked based on the True Breakpoint.
Entry Angle - The angle of the ball between 51 and 55 feet.
Impact Angle - The angle of the ball between 57 and 59.5 feet.
Pin Deck Exit - Ball position at the end of the pin deck.
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I would never be able to throw the ball that close to the same spot twice in a row 😂 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That GB4 Hybrid is a phenomenal ball 🔥💯
Good stuff Nick. Lovin' these comparison review videos. So helpful.
As a new bowler (March of 2023), I had no idea about the different kind of bowling balls but after talking to my local pro shop, my first ball is the Black Widow 2.0 hybrid and I love it. Now to build the rest of my bowling ball collection is underway!
Welcome to the sport!
Only been bowling for around half a year. Started off with my dads old black widow. Recently got a 2.0 hybrid and it’s fitted perfectly. Getting really consistent results with this ball.
Just shot a 256 and a 660 series with my hybrid 2.0
It’s an expensive habit! (December 2021)
As always, great vid!
Very nice review. Thanks for this info Nick!
Brilliantly done as usual
Great video Nick. So few channels dive into the tech, explain the differences, AND then show exactly how they affect the way the ball behaves. Subbed, thank you, and more please!
Happy that you appreciate the vids!
Thx for the review just got Envy, widow hybrid 2.0 and the GB4 hybrid will be the third to round out my tournament arsenal.
I'm glad you did this video. I have a BW 2.0 hybrid and a scorpion. I needed to see this. But i noticed i play straighter with my scorpion than my BW
Im a thumbless 1 hander since 1990 so symetrical is the ball of choice but i had a mission unknown and it was great
I'm a speed-dominant lefty that tends to dominate the 5 board. 😂 Recently found a new PSO that everyone seems to like and he recommended strong cover Symms for me. I can throw my C300 Savage all three games of house league if my thumb doesn't swell (not possible now as weather is warming up). I clean it after most outings, but it's definitely lane-shined. Nova is drilled to hook late so doesn't work unless I slow way down. Phaze4 works well with a strong pin-down layout. I've thrown the Cuda Powercor at a demo and LOVED it, better than the Envy. Also threw the Fate at a Storm demo and was surprised how much movement I saw on the backend. So, I'm thinking this PSO is spot on with his recommendation.
Hey Nick. Thanks for the great video. This is very helpful. I started a couple of months ago and my only ball is the Hammer Raw Black Solid symmetrical. I'm not really rev dominant, and this video helped me visualize why I hesitate to move left with my ball. The strong arc reaction of the Hammer Raw makes me feel like it simply won't come back and hit the pocket once I've moved too far left. It's possible I just still don't fully know my ball and will eventually be comfortable doing it. But at the moment, I feel like it just wouldn't work
That’s where the experience comes in trying something new and seeing what does work, best of luck and high scores.
I used to worry about Fresh versus Dry until I found that both my symmetrical Radical Sneak Attack and the Black Widow 2.0 would strike if my speed was matched to the lane conditions. The difference was a move left 3-4 Boards and more angle with the Black Widow. However, the Black Widow tends to leave 6-10’s and 10 pins due to the angle. A switch back to the Sneak Attach Sym usually Carries better for awhile until the lane dries to much and the ball dies, flat 10’s, 4’s, and buckets and 4-10 split. It’s like what was stated, if I can stay straight and to the right side, asym. If I have to go left and open up or slide through oil to get to the dry for a quick read, the Black Widow all the way!
Or you can loft the Sneak Attack and keep the same angle. Bowlers who think they can beat the oil with a solid asym have the right idea, I've done that plenty with my own Widow 2.0, Prism Hybrid, and even my Redemption, but the odds are better when you have angle and can feed to the break.
If the ball burns up, you need to create hold. You can do that by lofting. Trouble is, most who loft a ball do it wrong and loft it too high and not far enough. They also throw it harder too which is also a big no-no when lofting (unless you have lots of RPMs).
I bowl at Concord Lanes in South Saint Paul. Our league moved after AMF Maplewood Lanes closed. What I noticed when we moved was the outsides did not come back as hard when I missed right (I'm right-handed). The Nexis Solid and the upgrades to that ball were not a good option at Concord Lanes. I had to throw the Black Widow, then Jet Black Taboo with matte finish, and now the Black Widow 2.0. However, beginning last season, they began oiling the lanes where the outsides hook a lot more like Maplewood. So therefore I wouldn't call it going from Symmetric to Asymmetric but just going to a core that doesn't make the ball jump so violently like the Widow. And that's my Brunswick Kingpin which hasn't been bowled enough to replace it with the latest ball. It does seem like scoring wise it would be best to change from that Kingpin to a Pearl Symmetrical core because when they put this much oil on the lanes I have trouble carrying from the ball return. Last year however, I had no problem carrying from the ball return when I hit the pocket because they were so dry.
I can throw either effectively, as long as i can see the core migration.
I usually have asym/sym pairs in the bag.
For example og widow solid/pro motion, intense fire/drive, obsession pearl/uppercut, widow pink/attitude control.
If i am over revving the syms, the asyms typically are better suited for me.
Just purchased the Black Widow Hybrid today. Looking forward to see how this rolls. It’s my first Hammer piece.
Good one to start with!
BW 2.0 Hybrid is my benchmark ball. I look to build my arsenal around it.
Just got the Game Breaker 4 and good god DAMN does it HOLD. It is perfect and I mean PERFECT for when lanes transition but unless you take the polish off it won't get up the hill on fresh and it'll burn up if the lanes are fried unless you can loft it past the arrows. I'll post a review of it on my channel soon.
I’m a down in bowler but the 2.0 man I moved over that hits the pocket the thing is tournaments r never down and in so I have to adjust better I’m wondering what to get the evy tour or gb4 or both but i have the hybrid 2.0 and gamebreaker 2 so far and a spare ball I barely use
My black widow 2.0 inisists me to play inisde more or throw it faster. The reaction is has once it hits the break point is insane. Its a monster of a ball. My bench mark ball is my Reality Check. Im a two hander so i had it drilled to carry more which helps me read the lane in the beginning. Medium rev and medium speed is my game.
Is this like loaded dice? There does not seem to be a clear definition of each kind.
Cool tech bowling bowling ball hammer black widow 2.0 hybrid with carbon fiber technology in the bowling ball more strike and spare hitting power at time
Very interesting. When playing straighter on fresh, the asym solid is better than the sym, but as friction develops and you're pushed to a weaker cover, the core preference for the launch angles flip. I'll have to keep this in mind when building my next arsenal.
I'm curious how this will play out once we get to pearls. Will the difference be exacerbated? Or will we see another reversal?
Sometimes a quicker hook window and strong cover lead to the ball rolling forward more. Good for control, not necessarily wide angles.
@@brunsnick Then it stands to reason that the pearl comparison will be more of the same, but maybe more dramatic. Of course, this is all generalized, as one can have any cover type be strong or weak by comparison. The GB4 Hybrid and Trouble Maker cut very different paths on the lane, even if put to the same surface.
I use asyms when i have issues of leaving an 8 pin. Or a 9 for righties.
You can do more tricks with the cover.
Symmetrical let's you do more tricks with the core and cover above 3k
In my experience as more on the rev dom side, experts suggest Syms vs Asym but i find more success with Asyms. As similar to anyone whos thrown a BR20Hy the ball is amazing, I'd even say its up there with the Purp Urt. in status as the GOAT
There's a lot of variables when it goes into player styles. I see a lot of higher tilt, rev dom players doing better with asyms.
Do you have a recommended lay out for a lefty that shoots down the 5 board on a house shot for the black widow? I just got it recently, and was thinking about getting it drilled differently.
You should really consult your pro shop about that. 👍🏻
99% of the time, I use mid-low symms. This is year at Nationals in Reno, I had the best look with the Motiv Blue Tank (3.375" pin-pap) and Track Sensor (3.75" pin-pap) The Tank was very continuous on the S/D pattern from inside angles.
You and Mr. CARDINALE talk about entry angle vs impact angle. How is that different? Your definition of it would be useful, perhaps why the different angle matter? Been bowling for about 40 years, pretty familiar with entry angle issues.
Entry angle is measured between 51-55ft and impact angle is measured 57-59.5ft.
I’m not fully understanding your finger slot placement on the ball…? Is your middle finger placed up above your ring finger?
Nice comparison ! Where exactly is entry and impact angles measured by Specto?
Entry Angle - The angle of the ball between 51 and 55 feet.
Impact Angle - The angle of the ball between 57 and 59.5 feet.
@@brunsnick Thanks ! So if the ball hasnt rolled out yet, Impact Angle > Entry angle . But if it has rolled out at 51-55 feet then they should be equal, correct?
@@bowlingxp8345 correct. If impact angle is same or below the entry then it is rolling forward at the pins.
@@brunsnick Ok so then...the impact should never be smaller than the entry, right? Only equal at most. Because even if the ball rolls out early the angle would remain constant. I ask this because i think on a couple of shots it was smaller. Am i missing something? I would assume it can only get smaller after impact and deflection. But at 59 feet there is not impact yet.
Can you please do a video of when you should use a pin up vs pin down sym/asym?
Sure why not?
Maybe a little layout comparison too? I see a lot of numbers from everybody but do not know what they mean.
could easily see these balls working in the same bag, as the BWH gets too strong a switch the the GB4 could keep the same angles. Maybe just 1 surface up on the GB4 to increase the overall difference between the two balls in that situation.
Yeah, I could see that. But I'm also thinking of taking the polish off my GB4 Hybrid, since that's possible with hybrids without completely changing the reaction. Did that to my Prism Hybrid and it moves AMAZING on the fresh.
Hey Nick,
I keep seeing people describe and show asyms being more sharp and angular, with syms more slow and gradual. However most of the time when I throw asyms they just seem to give up and puke rather than bouncing off the friction. Can I learn anything from this about how to perhaps lay balls out more effectively?
(I’m an experience player not a newbie if that helps)
Thanks
Depends a lot on the cover and your layouts, too many variables to answer exactly. But, asyms typically respond faster to friction shortening the hook window. Sounds like you may be bowling on dry lanes or maybe you don’t have a lot of ball speed.
I see. I’m told I have excessive speed so I doubt that’s it. Maybe I just need to be further into the puddle to use the big balls.
I’m looking for a new ball and I currently use the Helios. I start to the right and it just doesn’t have the motion and hitting power. I’m a lower rev and ball speed bowler on a medium to heavy oil pattern. Can you recommend a new all? I’m probably looking for a hybrid and/or a pearl
Look into something asymmetrical like the Black Widow 2.0 Hybrid or Katana Assault
@@brunsnick Thanks! I was really considering the Black Widow 2.0 and now I’m sure that’s probably the right choice
Idk, i have two asyms and one symm, and my symmetrical ball covers more boards and produces more angle than my asyms, with that being said im very speed dominate, 300-350 revs and 15-19 mph speed.
How do you have your balls drilled? Looks weird, middle finger way farther up than ring finger and pin above middle finger??
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Offset thumb, I assume, gives you a higher rev rate?
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So if a asym burns up faster than a sym, would a sym be more versatile?
Depends on the player. Faster speed dominant players usually rely more on asym.
Does the black widow squirt in the oil
No, it’s clean but not so clean it pushes past the break.
what you did there to your thumb or ring finger?? looks not even.
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Can you find me a 15 pound pink hammer ill buy it
Good luck.
Seems like you could stay with the hammer all 3 games in league
I bet that other competitor will let you throw that ball against their comparable ball!