For the sake of a lowly farmer trapped in his tractor, please post these as audio podcasts when the video comes out. I cant use all my data on the video, but I also cant wait a month for the audio to come out. Grateful for all the content, thanks for all you do!
While the Vatican controls the Titulus and the Shroud. I’m of the opinion that God Himself burned the Shroud as a protest against Rome’s feeble response to Venetian mercenaries sacking Constantinople. Innocent 3rd was a coward, at BEST. Anyway, as the Vatican plumbs new depths of heresy, I worry that God may just Destroy these Most Holy of relics than suffer them remaining in increasingly unholy environments. The Cross should all be reunited.
This was a really wonderful conversation. I have enjoyed it very much, from beginning to end. Me and my wife got baptized into the Ethiopian Orthodox Church two years ago. First time I heard Deacon Henok Elias. Hope to hear more. And Jonathan, thanks for all that you do and for hosting such beautiful people. May God bless you both. Glory to God! Halleluia
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Deacon Henok, are you familiar with Ato Mekonnen Zewdie and the Jerusalem Association? I was born here in 1980 and attended OCA ROCOR churches but he was my is my grandfather. I'd love to hear more about what you might know about his work within the Ethiopian church. Thanks and God Bless
Thanks for the conversation! It would be very interesting to have his interpretation of the Book of Enoch and how it influences Ethiopian Christianity.
"It would be very interesting to have his interpretation of the Book of Enoch and how it influences Ethiopian Christianity." Feel similar about 'Ezra' and the veneration of Uriel.
Even growing up in Ethiopia I hadn't realized that the drum tradition wasn't universally accepted. Thank you for interviewing someone actually educated in Ethiopian Orthodoxy about its practices!
Yes most of us have no clue because the church doesn't educate rather increases the number of believers that are ignorant in what they believe in. ( Bado imnet)
@@junicornplays980 It's also what Jesus Christ criticized heavily when you read the New Testament. The Pharisees had exactly that... bado imnet. Empty "faith". They were hypocrites. Hypocrites plague the Ethiopian Orthodox Church today, and they cause many to lose faith. But soon the hypocrites will be exposed, and the truthful will remain.
I am definitely looking forward to hearing more about the Ethiopians! I am starved for connection to the rest of the world and history. It's like... we are meant to be connected or something.
As someone whose been attracted by everything foreign and exotic for basically all his life, I can tell you that the cultures we all come from (if you are American, Canadian or Australian that is your ancestor's culture), also hold a lot of hidden treasures, that much too often we haven't really taken the time to unearth yet.
There seems to be so little about Ethiopia from English-language books, so these podcasts are some of the best resources I have for learning about Ethiopia. I definitely encourage a part 2.
This sparked so much JOY in me!!! I think of our Thursday hymns that lift up the work of the apostles,”Their voices have gone out into all the earth and their words to the ends of the world!”
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church will be preached to the entire world sooner. and it shall be, for the sake of this world. This world deserve to be saved with the truth.
Great talk! Dn. Henok represented and articulated our church very well! And EOTC does have a book called 'Zena Eskinder'(Literal Translation- The News of Alexander) and talks about the voyage and conquest of Alexandar the Great and with regards to the Drum, we use in our church, there is more to it than meets the eye. It represents the Passion of Christ during Good Friday- from the architecture of the drum down to the color and the content within the drum(usually consists of 5 pebbles within it- to represent the 5 Pillars of the Mystery of the Church (Mystery of the Holy Trinity, Mystery of Incarnation, Mystery of Baptism, Mystery of the Eucharist and the Mystery of the Resurrection of the Dead). There is so much in the EOTC that the west has yet to discover. I hope you get the chance to speak to more people like Dn. Henok.
Will you interview Dean Arnold, author of "Unknown Empire: The True Story of Mysterious Ethiopia and the Future Ark of Civilization?" That book got me fascinated about Ethiopia.
Wow, I was *Really shocked* when you talked about the byzantine story about the prophecised emperor at the end. I have never thought it being something that prominent in people around that area too. Because that is a very significant and even defining prophecy of the entire Ethiopian history. Even the most famous emperor of Ethiopia Emperor Tewodros(Theodore) II that united modern Ethiopia was influenced by this prophecy to the extent of changing his name from "Kasa" to "Tewodros(Theodore)", the name that the prophecised comming emperor is thought have. He also did it to make people believe he is the uniting king prophecized, since this was a very powerful and widely known prophecy in the Ethiopian christians. The fact that Dn. Enoch hasn't heard much about is because he has lived all his life in US, and the church keeps this in silence since many people get easily carried away and misled rather than focusing on salvation, just like the deciples were carried away and always asking Jessus about his coming and the end of time. This is a very significant prophecy that is written in many books since thousands of years. This interestingly also includes a Roman book named "Prophecy/Vision of Sabela" that told the story of 100 people having the same dream revelation in one night in Rome, and a prophet named "Sabela" interpreting their dreams, which described the worst calamity that is yet to come and the emperor from Ethiopia that would restore God's kingdom and righteousness to the world. as stated in the book of Uriel (dirsane urael in amharic), Ezra Sutuel, during his conversation with the angel Uriel was told a lot of details about this prophecy from the angel too. Father Heriacos (I don't remember his name in English), a bishop from Constantinople was the one who sent this book containing this conversation to Ethiopia to be translated to geez, and the book is now called "Dirsane Urael". This prophecy is also well stated in the book "Vision of sinoda(shinoda)", an Egyptian father that saw a vision of all this. Before the Islamic invasion of Egypt, a martyr named Fiktor had also spoken of this prophecy when christians in Egypt were heartbroken when they heard the prophecy that all churches in that area would be destroyed by an invading religion. he spoke of the emperor's prophecy to condole them about what is to come after the islamic invasion, he told them the emperor would himself step on that land and restore christianity as never before. After this prophecy, the Islamic invasion did happen, and what is awaited is the rise of the christian emperor. Even in Islam, the quran states that the stone of mecca will be destroyed by an Ethiopian. They call him "Zul-Suwayqatayn" and states it will signify the end times. But I want to stress that this is not a prophecy about the end of the world. But rather one of the prophecies that happen before comming of Jessus. such as the brief period of peace of thousand years stated in rev:19 (I believe its most related to this one), the rise of the anti christ, war of gog magog,... I believe it is in sequence with them, though I don't know where it could be.
This was well written and explained, thank you for sharing. I have heard of the lists of books you mentioned that recited this same prophecy. The Islam one took be by surprise. This is indeed an interesting topic. Do you believe the emergence of this Emperor is near?
@@yohannes6434 Yeah, there are numerous other books that talk about this. But about the time of the happening, I don't think there can be any clear timeline for that (only God knows). And it's for that reason that this is kept silent in the Ethiopian church, and the church wants to suppress any discussion on this. Since attempts are seen to exploit this, and many misleading things have been said about the time. Though I can only be sure that I can't ever be sure about the time, many fathers have implied the current war has a significant meaning in the timeline. In fact, almost everyone in Ethiopia has been hearing about a coming war, hunger, and pandemic since 30 years ago, and especially since 5 years ago. Some fathers had also called for storage pest resistant crops and salt to be stored at the monasteries. And the pandemic hit first which no one had any expectation of, then the war, and hunger is starting through all this. Though there has been war in every generation in Ethiopia, This one has been the deadliest in the entire Ethiopian history. This is because of the ethnic color of the war which has made it a matter of every citizen forcing everyone to be is a fighter and a target. And believe me, since I am there, there is no near end to it, this is just a fragment of what is yet to come. There is no reconcilable cause or negotiable term, since It's all ethnic and even more other ethnic clashes are rising. With the hundreds of millions killed until now, Sadly facts state that it's only the beginning. All this seems to match to the war described in the prophecies with all its looks. And many fathers that have never met betfore, including Aba ze wengel have said there will be a renaissance of Ethiopia spiritually and as a God's strong kingdom after this. I personally believe this is the case and have been preparing with redemption and prayers since they began to speak. I don't dare say I am (or even can be) sure about the time, but am ready to accept anything that God brings, while making preparation with repentance and prayers as our fathers have been crying to do so.
@@merebhayl5826 I actually come to know this prophecy about two years ago. Especially when word got around that Aba Ze wengel passed away. I found this summarized post on the prophecy recently. Let me know what your thought is on this. ፠ መስከረም 19/ 2012 (September 29, 2019) የመስቀለ ክርስቶስ ቤተክርስቲያን ሰርተው አጠናቀዋል/ Aba Ze wengel finished building Meskele Christos Church. ፠ንጉስ ቴዎድሮስ የሚያርፍበት መሆኑን ተናግረዋል::It is said, this church will be where King Theodor will rest as Aba Zewengel stated. ፠ 2012: 2013: 2014 ለኢትዮጵያ የምጥ ዘመ ብለዋል/ 2019-21/22 will be the worst years for Ethiopia as there will be war/famine/disease etc in a big scale ★ የዓለም ሃገራት በጦርነት ይጠፋፋሉ/Counties all over the world will be destroyed due to war ★ በድርቅና በርሃብ ፍጡራን ይጠፋፋሉ/There will be a great Famine that will vanquish the human race ★ ውኀ የሰውን ልጅ ታጠፋለች/Water will also wipe out humanity ★ አሜሪካ አውሮፓና እስያ በውሃ ይዋጣሉ/America, Europe and Asia will drown in water ★ ስደት ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ይሆናል/People will flee in Ethiopia(EDIT my translation, it may be incorrect here) ★ በቅዱስ ላሊበላ ጸሎት ከዋግ ከቤላ ተራራ ከላስታ ★ ቅዱስ ሚካኤል ተከዜ ድረስ ያሉ ሕዝቦች ያተርፋል ★ 2015 ዘመነ ሉቃስ ንጉሱ ይመጣል/2022/23 The King will be revealed in 2022/23 which will be called the year of Luke in accordance with the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church calendar ★ ለሳምንት ዝናብ ይመጣል/There will be rain for 1 week ★ ለሳምንት ዝናብ ይዘንባል/and it will rain for a week ★ የፈሰሰውንም ደም አጥቦ ያስወግዳል/And it will wash away all the blood that was spilled ★ ምድር ትባረካለች/And the earth will be blessed ★የተረፉ ሰዎች እርስ በእርስ ይፈቃቀራሉ/The people that survived will love one another ★ጠማማ ሰው አይኖርም/There will be no crooked person ★ ንጉሱ 40 ዓመት በፍቅር ይመራል/The king will rule for 40 years in love and harmony 2056 ሃሳዊ መሲሁ ይነሳል/In 2056 which would be 2061/62 in Gregorian Calendar; The Antichrist will rise በአፋቸው እሳት የሚያወጡ ጅራታቸው እንደ እባብ የሚናደፍ ከወገባቸው በላይ ሰው የሚመስሉ ከወገባቸው በታች ግን አንበሳ የሚመስል ንጉሱ እስክንድር የዘጋባቸውን ማኅተም አፍርሰው አስፈሪ ፍጡራን ይመጣሉ:: በመጨረሻም እርስ በእርስ ይጠፋፋሉ :: እግዚአብሔር ከሚመጣው መቅሰፍት ይሰውረን። This prophecy has been circulating the past few years on social media, This was why I asked you about if the arrival of the said king is near per your resources. Plus this are very scary if all the said prophecies are to come true in the order it is written. I am 18 years old, entering adulthood, and I don't want to think of this as the future because this is pure apocalypse even though there might be a good ending, It is very troubling especially if my heart is not where God wants me to be. Lord Jesus have Mercy on us! Holy Mother of God, intercede for us!
As a fellow Coptic believer, I remember reading this "vision of Shenoute" many years ago, and the significant role of the Ethiopian nation in it. I dont remember much from it, but that it was spectacular and mysterious. Today, I imagine if I looked up St. Shenouda's prophecy, I will be able to find it again, but I am glad to hear that Ethiopians are well aware of this as well.
I learned a lot from this beautiful conversation. Please continue with part 2. Keep up the amazing Ethiopian Orthodox talks. I'd love to hear a conversation on the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees. Thanks again!
If you guys made a part 2, please talk about the use and influence of the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees in the theology, liturgy etc., of the tewahedo church.
It’s absolutely true what he’s explaining. It’s very interesting it’s also true I can witness in my own family DNA shows over 50% Jewish heritage. That’s also true and middle eastern heritage. I think that’s why Ethiopian are Semite. Very interesting history of Ethiopian and Ethiopia. I hope the old culture will survive there’s a lots of influence and threats from outsiders.
@JonathanPageau I would love to see you have Dr.Meskerem Lechisa on as your guest. I'm sure she has some very interesting things to share about Ethiopia and related prophesies etc. I think that will be an interesting conversation if it happens. She has a TH-cam channel called Utopia but it's all in Amharic. I'm not sure if she has English content that you can look at. But this episode was 🔥 Thank you!
I like to add that the chanting and melody inside of the church partitions (priests standing on different levels of the church) by the minor priests and the continuous exchange of poetry like scripture recitation of glorifying the names and doings of God, including the use of the incenses and the cistra has its origin in the interior of ancient Israelite temple by the levites.
Absolutely beautiful. Deacon Henok (great to meet you!) brings gentle, deep, sacred, learned realness, PLUS Pageau's deeply iconic nomadicism;) (i see 3 meanings!) is priceless. Hey, new topic idea: Russian Manly Orthodox Revival info is new!, how does it combine with Ethiopian Revival? What can we expect? And do we all now understand why the DS is so obsessed with destroying Russia?!
The one thing that we have as prepared and once delivered is the sermon. Not nearly as stylized of course... The Serbians have family saints and village saints We have the 40 day fast before Nativity, the Mary holiday, the connected Nativity and Theophany feasts, the one day fast before Theophany, etc... These are ancient traditions common to all of us
WOW!!! This was such a GREAT interview. It was very interesting, inspiring, instructive, and illuminating. I'm very interested in learning more about Ethiopian Orthodox spirituality . Maybe have Deacon Henok Elias or Deacon Dawit Muluneh (Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church) on your program to discuss Ethiopian Orthodox view on Scriptures, Atonement/ The Cross, Theology, Hell, Confession, Spiritual Formation / Discipleship, and available English Resources written by Ethiopian Orthodox?? (9/17/22)
This makes the Lion of Judah ring I got from my grandparents (a gift to my grandfather as a wedding present) even more impressive... I didn't realize that the monarchy was that old. I need to know more now... My grandma is from Asmara, so what is now Eritrea, and that lineage is Tigrinya. I think what's also funny is that I always felt like I was an oddball and like my mom is also an oddball, but I think the more I learn about Eritrea and Ethiopia, the more a lot of my stuff makes sense, particularly the philosophical meshing of art, science and philosophy, and really having this tendency to not see these things at ends with each other even from a very early age. I think my grandma described Ethiopians as such. I've been fascinated by learning more about the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox churches in part because there are traditions that stretch back so far from another branch of Christianity, like it's an incredibly important aspect of it. My great grandma was in the Eritrean Orthodox church if I recall correctly. My grandma is Catholic (Italian, from that colonization). My dad used to be Lutheran, his parents still are, so I've got a pretty wide swath of Christianity in my background, though I'm pretty well disconnected from the Eritrean Orthodox and I was baptized in the Catholic church. I think the way you describe the relationship with priests kind of makes the way my grandma is with Christianity makes more sense. She always knows the priests as friends, rather than just attending Church! Hah. Even so... I really wish I was more connected with this part of my lineage. My grandmother kind of cut off a lot of that stuff, did stuff like straighten my mom's hair at an early age, stuff like that.
Fantastic Conversation...looking up Issac the Syrian. Link to the book you mentioned? Edit: Crikey! I watch this video and then Ethiopia literally comes apart at the seams. Trying to understand what is going on there...perhaps get you Dn. Henok Elias back on to talk about it would help. I don't trust the corporate media one iota.
10:00 this hapax legomenon idea is fantastic. It's the ultimate sacrifice, just throwing the thing out into the air. Though I hear they do sometimes write them down. Of course, Jesus didn't write anything down, afaik. Except that one time, in the dirt, and nobody wrote THAT down, for some reason.
I have been digging into bible translations and trying to learn about the different text families. Read tonight the a text of the septuagint was translated into Coptic in about 200 AD, making that the oldest copy available, as far as I can tell. Occurred to me that the Ethiopian scriptures might be the oldest we have, yet nobody is talking about that. It's all about the Greek, the Latin. etc., and none are as old as 200 AD, not complete copies anyway. I am intrigued and wanting to get my hands on a copy of the ethiopian bible. Coptic and Ethiopian churches may be different. I have much to learn.
they play no unique role outside of ancient practice of deaconesses for baptismal aid. throughout the ages a small minority of women have become senior students and professors of the trad schools of poetry, scripture, and liturgy. today, there maybe 20 or less such professors.
This was amazing! May Christ our Lord bless Ethiopia and preserve His people. I would like to know what is the rationale behind the ark being in Ethiopia after having been accidentally smuggled in by the son of Solomon, as the writings of the prophets make clear that the ark in Jerusalem really had the divine presence (therefore not being a fake) which left soon before the Babylonians destroyed the kingdom of Judah. Plus, for the rest of the Orthodox world, per 2 Maccabees, Jeremiah hid the ark from the Babylonians. Also, I would like to know more about some major Ethiopian texts that are part of the broader canon (like the Ethiopian Clementine epistles) or are extra-canonical (like the Book of the Rooster).
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Oh, he’s already automatically recognized via the Ethiopian Uniates, no matter what he thought about the Roman Patriarchs. It’s the same absurd thing with the Greek Uniates and Saint Gregory of Plamas, even though he’d have sooner spat in the post-Carolingian popes’ faces.
I admire your artwork. I'm a protestant, orthodox inquirer, and I just built a house. Is it realistic for me to be able to buy a carving from you to hang in it? Do you have a huge lead time?
I am from Ethiopia, u don't know how deep is, our orthodox tewhdo religion, u will amazed.
@@frehiwotkebede9009 I'm hoping to take a trip there in the next year I believe it's where it all started
@@frehiwotkebede9009 is there a credible English translation of the Ethiopian bible?
Adding my vote for a “part 2” - this was fascinating!
Saaaame
I want a series or atleast a trilogy of this
we did part deux on my channel th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
I just found this, I haven't watched it yet
th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
For the sake of a lowly farmer trapped in his tractor, please post these as audio podcasts when the video comes out. I cant use all my data on the video, but I also cant wait a month for the audio to come out. Grateful for all the content, thanks for all you do!
We are working to catch up with the videos by the end of the month. Starting November, they should come out at the same time.
@@JonathanPageau Much appreciated! Thanks for the reply, and again thanks for all the content.
@@JonathanPageau can you talk to (deacon gorgoriyos dejene) to correct and elaborate to some points you can get him by searching his names
Bro I listen in my tractor too!
Absolutely love it, data scientist in Pageau College with farmers! The way life should be.
I love our Orthodox Churches and it's traditions. Thank you both for this wonderful conversation. Yes Geez is not dead indeed.
I recently heard a priest in Jamaica say that not only is the ark in Ethiopia, but the greater portions of the cross as well.
While the Vatican controls the Titulus and the Shroud. I’m of the opinion that God Himself burned the Shroud as a protest against Rome’s feeble response to Venetian mercenaries sacking Constantinople. Innocent 3rd was a coward, at BEST.
Anyway, as the Vatican plumbs new depths of heresy, I worry that God may just Destroy these Most Holy of relics than suffer them remaining in increasingly unholy environments.
The Cross should all be reunited.
Yes, the right side of the cross is in Gishen Mariam, Ethiopia.
@@meronaberraabebe9615 Interesting that it's the right side.
But they say Christianity is the white man's religion 🙄
It is believed that the Holy Grail is also found in Ethiopia. In Saint Uriel Monastery!
እግዚአብሔር ይባርክህ 🙏🏿 !
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Where do I find an accurate English translation of the Ethiopian bible?
Ethiopian Orthodox is mesmerizing.
This was a really wonderful conversation. I have enjoyed it very much, from beginning to end. Me and my wife got baptized into the Ethiopian Orthodox Church two years ago. First time I heard Deacon Henok Elias. Hope to hear more. And Jonathan, thanks for all that you do and for hosting such beautiful people. May God bless you both.
Glory to God! Halleluia
yideliwekimu (you all are worthy)
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Thank you brother Henok. I look forward to see and here more from you. We live in Sweden btw. Have a blessed weekend : )
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Deacon Henok, are you familiar with Ato Mekonnen Zewdie and the Jerusalem Association? I was born here in 1980 and attended OCA ROCOR churches but he was my is my grandfather. I'd love to hear more about what you might know about his work within the Ethiopian church. Thanks and God Bless
@@alexandervajda7308 very interesting story you have, and i would like to know more but do not.
How can you still have a non Christian name if you are baptized ??? That isn't our tradition at all.
love from et for Greek/Russia orthodox Christians and also for other christens
Thanks!
Thanks for the conversation! It would be very interesting to have his interpretation of the Book of Enoch and how it influences Ethiopian Christianity.
"It would be very interesting to have his interpretation of the Book of Enoch and how it influences Ethiopian Christianity."
Feel similar about 'Ezra' and the veneration of Uriel.
Even growing up in Ethiopia I hadn't realized that the drum tradition wasn't universally accepted. Thank you for interviewing someone actually educated in Ethiopian Orthodoxy about its practices!
Yes most of us have no clue because the church doesn't educate rather increases the number of believers that are ignorant in what they believe in. ( Bado imnet)
@@werqzeleke2815 Wow you've just summed up in one sentence what I've been frustrated with for a very long time
@@junicornplays980 It's also what Jesus Christ criticized heavily when you read the New Testament. The Pharisees had exactly that... bado imnet. Empty "faith". They were hypocrites. Hypocrites plague the Ethiopian Orthodox Church today, and they cause many to lose faith. But soon the hypocrites will be exposed, and the truthful will remain.
@@werqzeleke2815 It was absolutely your responsibility to educate yourself! Blame shifting will not save you from anything!
@@bulletsizednuke1100 It was absolutely your responsibility to educate yourself! Blame shifting will not save you from anything!
I am definitely looking forward to hearing more about the Ethiopians! I am starved for connection to the rest of the world and history. It's like... we are meant to be connected or something.
As someone whose been attracted by everything foreign and exotic for basically all his life, I can tell you that the cultures we all come from (if you are American, Canadian or Australian that is your ancestor's culture), also hold a lot of hidden treasures, that much too often we haven't really taken the time to unearth yet.
There seems to be so little about Ethiopia from English-language books, so these podcasts are some of the best resources I have for learning about Ethiopia. I definitely encourage a part 2.
There’s a good book called I need answers by dawit muluneh about Ethiopian orthodox Christianity in English if you’re interested
th-cam.com/video/HtiysGRmkUI/w-d-xo.html
@@Gypsy2211What about Ethiopian History?
@@magistradox39there is a book hopless romantic by dn dawit
Fantastic conversation. Deacon Henok is a light within the Orthodox community.
This sparked so much JOY in me!!! I think of our Thursday hymns that lift up the work of the apostles,”Their voices have gone out into all the earth and their words to the ends of the world!”
As an Ethiopian this has been an extremely interesting conversation to follow. Thank you Deacon Henok and Jonathan. Looking forward to part 2.
Indeed
Interesting conversation. Keep it up
Oh man, I was kind of hoping this conversation would happen. Elias is pretty amazing.
Ethiopians don't answer surnames but first names when being addressed so his name is Henok not Elias.
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo Church will be preached to the entire world sooner. and it shall be, for the sake of this world. This world deserve to be saved with the truth.
I've been trying to connect with one or get a translated version of the real bible the Ethiopian Bible if you have any information please let me know
@@richardreigel5462check out St Paul Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, @SPOTChurch on all platforms. Spreading the Ethiopian rite in English
@@richardreigel5462Amazone
@@richardreigel5462i want to know the same
@@crystalv6122 the closest thing I've done was found the books individually in English
I’m so happy to have found you. What a blessing.
May god bless you!
🙏🏼🎄
Another vote for part 2! I would love to hear more from this end of the Orthodox world.
here you go th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
this was absolutely interesting ad informative conversation thank you for inviting Dn. Henok
Dcn Henok continues to blow my mind with his knowledge
glory to god for all things
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Amen.
two of my favorite channels, awesome
high praise! thank you.
Great talk! Dn. Henok represented and articulated our church very well! And EOTC does have a book called 'Zena Eskinder'(Literal Translation- The News of Alexander) and talks about the voyage and conquest of Alexandar the Great and with regards to the Drum, we use in our church, there is more to it than meets the eye. It represents the Passion of Christ during Good Friday- from the architecture of the drum down to the color and the content within the drum(usually consists of 5 pebbles within it- to represent the 5 Pillars of the Mystery of the Church (Mystery of the Holy Trinity, Mystery of Incarnation, Mystery of Baptism, Mystery of the Eucharist and the Mystery of the Resurrection of the Dead). There is so much in the EOTC that the west has yet to discover. I hope you get the chance to speak to more people like Dn. Henok.
thank you Dr Henok for perfectly explained about the Abnet school/church school
Fantastic podcast Jonathan. I really would love to visit Ethiopia now and see some of these places and things first hand.
Wow, Watching right now, this is so good. Thank you for doing this!!
Will you interview Dean Arnold, author of "Unknown Empire: The True Story of Mysterious Ethiopia and the Future Ark of Civilization?" That book got me fascinated about Ethiopia.
I am Jamaican and I have been spreading Enoch gospel everywhere I go
Can you please continue this conversation? This is so informative.
God bless you Jonathan
Wow, I was *Really shocked* when you talked about the byzantine story about the prophecised emperor at the end.
I have never thought it being something that prominent in people around that area too. Because that is a very significant and even defining prophecy of the entire Ethiopian history. Even the most famous emperor of Ethiopia Emperor Tewodros(Theodore) II that united modern Ethiopia was influenced by this prophecy to the extent of changing his name from "Kasa" to "Tewodros(Theodore)", the name that the prophecised comming emperor is thought have. He also did it to make people believe he is the uniting king prophecized, since this was a very powerful and widely known prophecy in the Ethiopian christians. The fact that Dn. Enoch hasn't heard much about is because he has lived all his life in US, and the church keeps this in silence since many people get easily carried away and misled rather than focusing on salvation, just like the deciples were carried away and always asking Jessus about his coming and the end of time.
This is a very significant prophecy that is written in many books since thousands of years. This interestingly also includes a Roman book named "Prophecy/Vision of Sabela" that told the story of 100 people having the same dream revelation in one night in Rome, and a prophet named "Sabela" interpreting their dreams, which described the worst calamity that is yet to come and the emperor from Ethiopia that would restore God's kingdom and righteousness to the world.
as stated in the book of Uriel (dirsane urael in amharic), Ezra Sutuel, during his conversation with the angel Uriel was told a lot of details about this prophecy from the angel too. Father Heriacos (I don't remember his name in English), a bishop from Constantinople was the one who sent this book containing this conversation to Ethiopia to be translated to geez, and the book is now called "Dirsane Urael". This prophecy is also well stated in the book "Vision of sinoda(shinoda)", an Egyptian father that saw a vision of all this.
Before the Islamic invasion of Egypt, a martyr named Fiktor had also spoken of this prophecy when christians in Egypt were heartbroken when they heard the prophecy that all churches in that area would be destroyed by an invading religion. he spoke of the emperor's prophecy to condole them about what is to come after the islamic invasion, he told them the emperor would himself step on that land and restore christianity as never before. After this prophecy, the Islamic invasion did happen, and what is awaited is the rise of the christian emperor.
Even in Islam, the quran states that the stone of mecca will be destroyed by an Ethiopian. They call him "Zul-Suwayqatayn" and states it will signify the end times.
But I want to stress that this is not a prophecy about the end of the world. But rather one of the prophecies that happen before comming of Jessus. such as the brief period of peace of thousand years stated in rev:19 (I believe its most related to this one), the rise of the anti christ, war of gog magog,... I believe it is in sequence with them, though I don't know where it could be.
This was well written and explained, thank you for sharing. I have heard of the lists of books you mentioned that recited this same prophecy. The Islam one took be by surprise. This is indeed an interesting topic. Do you believe the emergence of this Emperor is near?
@@yohannes6434 Yeah, there are numerous other books that talk about this. But about the time of the happening, I don't think there can be any clear timeline for that (only God knows). And it's for that reason that this is kept silent in the Ethiopian church, and the church wants to suppress any discussion on this. Since attempts are seen to exploit this, and many misleading things have been said about the time.
Though I can only be sure that I can't ever be sure about the time, many fathers have implied the current war has a significant meaning in the timeline. In fact, almost everyone in Ethiopia has been hearing about a coming war, hunger, and pandemic since 30 years ago, and especially since 5 years ago. Some fathers had also called for storage pest resistant crops and salt to be stored at the monasteries. And the pandemic hit first which no one had any expectation of, then the war, and hunger is starting through all this.
Though there has been war in every generation in Ethiopia, This one has been the deadliest in the entire Ethiopian history. This is because of the ethnic color of the war which has made it a matter of every citizen forcing everyone to be is a fighter and a target. And believe me, since I am there, there is no near end to it, this is just a fragment of what is yet to come. There is no reconcilable cause or negotiable term, since It's all ethnic and even more other ethnic clashes are rising. With the hundreds of millions killed until now, Sadly facts state that it's only the beginning.
All this seems to match to the war described in the prophecies with all its looks. And many fathers that have never met betfore, including Aba ze wengel have said there will be a renaissance of Ethiopia spiritually and as a God's strong kingdom after this.
I personally believe this is the case and have been preparing with redemption and prayers since they began to speak.
I don't dare say I am (or even can be) sure about the time, but am ready to accept anything that God brings, while making preparation with repentance and prayers as our fathers have been crying to do so.
@@merebhayl5826 I actually come to know this prophecy about two years ago. Especially when word got around that Aba Ze wengel passed away.
I found this summarized post on the prophecy recently. Let me know what your thought is on this.
፠ መስከረም 19/ 2012 (September 29, 2019) የመስቀለ ክርስቶስ ቤተክርስቲያን ሰርተው አጠናቀዋል/ Aba Ze wengel finished building Meskele Christos Church.
፠ንጉስ ቴዎድሮስ የሚያርፍበት መሆኑን ተናግረዋል::It is said, this church will be where King Theodor will rest as Aba Zewengel stated.
፠ 2012: 2013: 2014 ለኢትዮጵያ የምጥ ዘመ ብለዋል/ 2019-21/22 will be the worst years for Ethiopia as there will be war/famine/disease etc in a big scale
★ የዓለም ሃገራት በጦርነት ይጠፋፋሉ/Counties all over the world will be destroyed due to war
★ በድርቅና በርሃብ ፍጡራን ይጠፋፋሉ/There will be a great Famine that will vanquish the human race
★ ውኀ የሰውን ልጅ ታጠፋለች/Water will also wipe out humanity
★ አሜሪካ አውሮፓና እስያ በውሃ
ይዋጣሉ/America, Europe and Asia will drown in water
★ ስደት ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ይሆናል/People will flee in Ethiopia(EDIT my translation, it may be incorrect here)
★ በቅዱስ ላሊበላ ጸሎት ከዋግ ከቤላ
ተራራ ከላስታ
★ ቅዱስ ሚካኤል ተከዜ ድረስ ያሉ
ሕዝቦች ያተርፋል
★ 2015 ዘመነ ሉቃስ ንጉሱ ይመጣል/2022/23 The King will be revealed in 2022/23 which will be called the year of Luke in accordance with the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church calendar
★ ለሳምንት ዝናብ ይመጣል/There will be rain for 1 week
★ ለሳምንት ዝናብ ይዘንባል/and it will rain for a week
★ የፈሰሰውንም ደም አጥቦ ያስወግዳል/And it will wash away all the blood that was spilled
★ ምድር ትባረካለች/And the earth will be blessed
★የተረፉ ሰዎች እርስ በእርስ ይፈቃቀራሉ/The people that survived will love one another
★ጠማማ ሰው አይኖርም/There will be no crooked person
★ ንጉሱ 40 ዓመት በፍቅር ይመራል/The king will rule for 40 years in love and harmony
2056 ሃሳዊ መሲሁ ይነሳል/In 2056 which would be 2061/62 in Gregorian Calendar; The Antichrist will rise
በአፋቸው እሳት የሚያወጡ ጅራታቸው እንደ እባብ የሚናደፍ ከወገባቸው በላይ ሰው የሚመስሉ ከወገባቸው በታች ግን አንበሳ የሚመስል ንጉሱ እስክንድር የዘጋባቸውን ማኅተም አፍርሰው አስፈሪ ፍጡራን ይመጣሉ:: በመጨረሻም እርስ በእርስ ይጠፋፋሉ ::
እግዚአብሔር ከሚመጣው መቅሰፍት
ይሰውረን።
This prophecy has been circulating the past few years on social media, This was why I asked you about if the arrival of the said king is near per your resources. Plus this are very scary if all the said prophecies are to come true in the order it is written. I am 18 years old, entering adulthood, and I don't want to think of this as the future because this is pure apocalypse even though there might be a good ending, It is very troubling especially if my heart is not where God wants me to be. Lord Jesus have Mercy on us! Holy Mother of God, intercede for us!
Sounds cool
As a fellow Coptic believer, I remember reading this "vision of Shenoute" many years ago, and the significant role of the Ethiopian nation in it. I dont remember much from it, but that it was spectacular and mysterious. Today, I imagine if I looked up St. Shenouda's prophecy, I will be able to find it again, but I am glad to hear that Ethiopians are well aware of this as well.
Wow please please do a part 2 or this conversation. Amazing.
I've been waiting for this. Loved the conversation. Hopefully, more parts will follow. God bless you both.
amen
I learned a lot from this beautiful conversation. Please continue with part 2. Keep up the amazing Ethiopian Orthodox talks. I'd love to hear a conversation on the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees. Thanks again!
here you go th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
Would loved to have heard Henok’s quibbles with the original episodes. More please!
This Ethiopia series is just totally amazing and exciting. I love your guests. I have always been faxinated with this.
If you guys made a part 2, please talk about the use and influence of the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees in the theology, liturgy etc., of the tewahedo church.
we missed that, but maybe for part 3. here's part deux th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you very much! I learned a lot from the interview about my beloved church ❤❤❤
Lovely conversation, would love to hear more of Dn. Henok Elias!
here th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience thanks Dn. Henok :)
So far the most beautiful intro ever.
Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for this Very Informative video
Thanks to our forefathers who blend the Bible in to our day today life!!!
May the Ethiopian Church reunite with the Orthodox Church.
Nope may the Ethiopians lead
Thank you
I just seen a bunch of Ethiopians standing up to soldiers to protect the church that holds the arc glad it’s still there.
Another good one Jonathan!! 👍
Fascinating conversation ❤
Fantastic interview!
It’s absolutely true what he’s explaining. It’s very interesting it’s also true I can witness in my own family DNA shows over 50% Jewish heritage. That’s also true and middle eastern heritage. I think that’s why Ethiopian are Semite. Very interesting history of Ethiopian and Ethiopia.
I hope the old culture will survive there’s a lots of influence and threats from outsiders.
God bless Ethiopia. I did not know that you guys were under US opression as well, but Im glad you are becoming free.
Very interesting informative conversation. Our orthodox faith has a variety of traditions.
Part 2 !!!! Ethiopia is fascinating
@JonathanPageau I would love to see you have Dr.Meskerem Lechisa on as your guest. I'm sure she has some very interesting things to share about Ethiopia and related prophesies etc. I think that will be an interesting conversation if it happens. She has a TH-cam channel called Utopia but it's all in Amharic. I'm not sure if she has English content that you can look at. But this episode was 🔥 Thank you!
This is amazing!!!
This was so fascinating, thank you both for your time! I would love to see a part 2 of this conversation!
here th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
I like to add that the chanting and melody inside of the church partitions (priests standing on different levels of the church) by the minor priests and the continuous exchange of poetry like scripture recitation of glorifying the names and doings of God, including the use of the incenses and the cistra has its origin in the interior of ancient Israelite temple by the levites.
Excellent, Looking forward to parts 2, 3 and...
Would love a part 2 with Dn Henok. Maybe with Rohlin next time!
Absolutely beautiful. Deacon Henok (great to meet you!) brings gentle, deep, sacred, learned realness, PLUS Pageau's deeply iconic nomadicism;) (i see 3 meanings!) is priceless. Hey, new topic idea: Russian Manly Orthodox Revival info is new!, how does it combine with Ethiopian Revival? What can we expect? And do we all now understand why the DS is so obsessed with destroying Russia?!
Thanks
So I thought drama during worship was just an evangelical thing. Liturgical plays? Love it!
The one thing that we have as prepared and once delivered is the sermon. Not nearly as stylized of course...
The Serbians have family saints and village saints
We have the 40 day fast before Nativity, the Mary holiday, the connected Nativity and Theophany feasts, the one day fast before Theophany, etc... These are ancient traditions common to all of us
Yes for part 2!!!! This is amazing.
But for the ‘Grace of God Go I’ Is my favourite quote. Even before my journey towards Christ.
WOW!!! This was such a GREAT interview. It was very interesting, inspiring, instructive, and illuminating. I'm very interested in learning more about Ethiopian Orthodox spirituality . Maybe have Deacon Henok Elias or Deacon Dawit Muluneh (Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church) on your program to discuss Ethiopian Orthodox view on Scriptures, Atonement/ The Cross, Theology, Hell, Confession, Spiritual Formation / Discipleship, and available English Resources written by Ethiopian Orthodox?? (9/17/22)
This makes the Lion of Judah ring I got from my grandparents (a gift to my grandfather as a wedding present) even more impressive... I didn't realize that the monarchy was that old.
I need to know more now... My grandma is from Asmara, so what is now Eritrea, and that lineage is Tigrinya.
I think what's also funny is that I always felt like I was an oddball and like my mom is also an oddball, but I think the more I learn about Eritrea and Ethiopia, the more a lot of my stuff makes sense, particularly the philosophical meshing of art, science and philosophy, and really having this tendency to not see these things at ends with each other even from a very early age. I think my grandma described Ethiopians as such.
I've been fascinated by learning more about the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox churches in part because there are traditions that stretch back so far from another branch of Christianity, like it's an incredibly important aspect of it.
My great grandma was in the Eritrean Orthodox church if I recall correctly. My grandma is Catholic (Italian, from that colonization). My dad used to be Lutheran, his parents still are, so I've got a pretty wide swath of Christianity in my background, though I'm pretty well disconnected from the Eritrean Orthodox and I was baptized in the Catholic church.
I think the way you describe the relationship with priests kind of makes the way my grandma is with Christianity makes more sense. She always knows the priests as friends, rather than just attending Church! Hah.
Even so... I really wish I was more connected with this part of my lineage. My grandmother kind of cut off a lot of that stuff, did stuff like straighten my mom's hair at an early age, stuff like that.
This is so cool. My concept of the body of Christ just got bigger.
I love this. Keep going!
Fantastic Conversation...looking up Issac the Syrian. Link to the book you mentioned?
Edit: Crikey! I watch this video and then Ethiopia literally comes apart at the seams. Trying to understand what is going on there...perhaps get you Dn. Henok Elias back on to talk about it would help. I don't trust the corporate media one iota.
Part two please! And I’m sure you could do a part three and a part four! Would love to hear more about the Canon.
part deux th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
its not easy to simply understand the Ethiopian orthodox church/ its one of the very first original christians
Simply loved this. I echo the other comments- part two would be wonderful!
Very interesting
Love all of the convos! keep it up!
10:00 this hapax legomenon idea is fantastic. It's the ultimate sacrifice, just throwing the thing out into the air. Though I hear they do sometimes write them down. Of course, Jesus didn't write anything down, afaik. Except that one time, in the dirt, and nobody wrote THAT down, for some reason.
I have been digging into bible translations and trying to learn about the different text families. Read tonight the a text of the septuagint was translated into Coptic in about 200 AD, making that the oldest copy available, as far as I can tell. Occurred to me that the Ethiopian scriptures might be the oldest we have, yet nobody is talking about that. It's all about the Greek, the Latin. etc., and none are as old as 200 AD, not complete copies anyway. I am intrigued and wanting to get my hands on a copy of the ethiopian bible. Coptic and Ethiopian churches may be different. I have much to learn.
You should invite someone from Georgian Orthodox Church
Georgia is one of the most interesting and rad countries!!! I'm sure an episode on Queen Tamar would be interesting.
This is the shortest one hour ever, I really enjoyed ur conversation. You should do this again, and say something about the cross of Jesus Christ.
This is astounding! Please post more!
I require more
ask and ye shall receive th-cam.com/video/IN4YbcF1QWE/w-d-xo.html
Enlightened talk!
Freakin fascinating interview!
please continue with a part 2 big fan of both channels
Absolutely wonderful episode!
Absolutely incredible, thank you. I would love to hear if women play any kind of a unique role in the liturgical tradition.
they play no unique role outside of ancient practice of deaconesses for baptismal aid. throughout the ages a small minority of women have become senior students and professors of the trad schools of poetry, scripture, and liturgy. today, there maybe 20 or less such professors.
Thanks for your reply!
This was amazing! May Christ our Lord bless Ethiopia and preserve His people. I would like to know what is the rationale behind the ark being in Ethiopia after having been accidentally smuggled in by the son of Solomon, as the writings of the prophets make clear that the ark in Jerusalem really had the divine presence (therefore not being a fake) which left soon before the Babylonians destroyed the kingdom of Judah. Plus, for the rest of the Orthodox world, per 2 Maccabees, Jeremiah hid the ark from the Babylonians. Also, I would like to know more about some major Ethiopian texts that are part of the broader canon (like the Ethiopian Clementine epistles) or are extra-canonical (like the Book of the Rooster).
You Mad The Emperor Our IGZIHABIR Not Liking That when He Returns what will we Do
ask him about the four schools and how they learn and master it plus how the monks llive(their food shelter)
Guys u forgot saint George and the Adwa Story😉
And so true abt us Ethiopian's loving anyone that says something nice abt us😁
Way to go Jonathan!!!! I've been interested in this amazing topic !
Quite pleased that you're facilitating !
Thank You.
This was very interesting. Thank you!
Never forget the mighty Eritreans!!
More Please!
Deacon I’d very knowledgeable
Great conversation. Ethiopian history seems very interesting.
Might I suggest a conversation on St Yared.
i await the roman catholics canonizing him like they did st. gregory of narek.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience Do you say that with genuine hope or a trepidation of sorts?
@@nuzzi6620 genuine hope. i don't need their recognition, but it's nice.
@@PhilosophyofArtandScience
Oh, he’s already automatically recognized via the Ethiopian Uniates, no matter what he thought about the Roman Patriarchs. It’s the same absurd thing with the Greek Uniates and Saint Gregory of Plamas, even though he’d have sooner spat in the post-Carolingian popes’ faces.
Fascinating guys! Thanks!
I admire your artwork. I'm a protestant, orthodox inquirer, and I just built a house. Is it realistic for me to be able to buy a carving from you to hang in it? Do you have a huge lead time?
He has a 2 year waiting list and has stopped taking new orders. Occasionally he sells a bunch of carvings and makes them available to patrons first
as a former Protestant, KEEP INQUIRING.
I am also protestant, but have been deeply interested in orthodoxy as well! between Jonathan and Fr. Spyridon, I am seriously considering converting.
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Inquiring protestant too. Let's go, brothers!