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Targeted Redaction has been my favorite hand cannon this season, well rounded and explosive payload gives it great range and the gun just feels great, it deserves way higher than C tier.
Nah It doesn't, targeted has really poor stats compared to other 120s, and it's only real use is the broken two tap build. Igneous blows it out of the water, along with Bottom Dollar
It’s not a bad hand cannon but if I needed a good 120 I’d just farm gambit and focus for bottom dollar. Bottom dollar with rangefinder or explosive will put in work
If Unsated Hunger worked like a reverse Surplus I would agree, especially on Strand. However the set up is a bit much compared to a godly Bottom Dollar and Igneous Hammer.
We tried to make the rankings with the rangefinder nerf mostly in mind, so it wouldn't change a lot from this list, and when it would we tried to make note of it in the entry (like pali/exalted maybe dropping a tier)@@FauxJam
I think high range handcannons with range finder are still gonna be decent since it will still give significant boosts to aim assist for those long range duels. My top 3 hand cannons atm are Cantata, Ace of Spades and Sunshot with Austringer being a close 4th.
bro rangefinder is nerfed. Rangefinder no longer gain aim assists anymore,now it only provides additional 10% of the zoom of your weapon. For example, if your hand cannon has a 14 zoom, then the rangefinder will turn the hand cannon into 14*1.1=15.4 zoom.
Mates, luck may not be on ur side, but actually making new toon, and in 4 min u unlock crucible, makes it possible to farm 2 per hour legally. i farmed 363 roses and never god the roll i wanted. life sux
@@PattycakesGamingI think Mercurial will be available for 2 seasons like Rose was so you have more than a month. Unless Bungie announced it’s going away after this season. Also Rose will hopefully be available thru focusing at Shaxx next season
I think the last word is a little underrated here. It’s certainly not what it once was, but on controller, it’s still very strong. Within its range, it beats smgs in TTK and is fairly forgiving, and it also allows you to always have your radar and have max strafe speed because you are only hip-firing. A great 1v1 weapon if you can close the gap
Update: Welp they updated Something New right after posting this video and it's much better now with kill clip... so it would be raised a tier or two for sure. Which hand cannon is your favorite right now? Check my awesome mousepads at emberedge.com
Something new is from solstice. But my Favorite hc ever is waking vigil. I've got close to 200,000 kills on my roll of dragonfly outlaw with light mag and arrowhead (I'm pretty sure these are the things I haven't checked in a while)
Nation of beasts is fucking killing it rn. The reticle, the recoil pattern, the amazing perk combo of keep away+explosive payload, im just loving the gun. Nation of beasts+imperial has gotten me flawless at least once a week since i crafted nation during week one or two of this season.
I just finished my malfeasance catalyst by using it in pvp and i was surprised by how good it is. Its exotic perk allows you to kill anyone as long as you can hit 5 shots no matter the range. I routinely would win duels against snipers and scouts well outside of normal hand cannon range.
The real strength of Malfeasance is how it makes situations where you're forced to hipfire or fire from the air more consistent. You're essentially never punished for body shots in the same way other 180s are.
IDK, seventh is an animal with harmony and reconstruction as a swap weapon in both pvp and pve. Especially pve with lucky pants. In pvp if you get a kill with your second weapon and swap to the seventh it'll 2 tap and with reconstruction you almost never have to reload it.
Farmed 36,000 gambit rep this week (double rep!) to get a slide opening Bottom dollar and ended up with a pretty decent Slide Explosive.... 9 hours. 53 engrams.... Guns feels so good! Great video!
Malfeasance is 100% slept on in this tier list. It feels really nice with basically no recoil on its shots, can 3 tap headshot from what I remember (don't know if they did something to it in the new season), and if the enemy is bunched up the explosions can net you am extra kill. They also gave it a free bonus to damage on roaming supes so not even they are safe from this thing. I also may be very heavily biased because I spent a while getting the gun and love the design and gimmick a LOT.
im gonna say it, seventh seraph officer revolver is one of the best 180s in the game due to the fact that it feels incredible and gets explo payload for absurd flinch. definitely worth your time
Personally I'd rather take a 180 too because of the faster fire rate if you need HC stuff too. As a new crucible player, it took a lot of weight off my shoulders
I think some Hand Cannons are going to benefit a ton from the rangefinder change. RF will make up for a lot of HCs low stability and Aim Assist, while allowing you to build more into range. True Prophecy is one of the main Hand Cannons I think will benefit a lot. Kind of does suck for HCs that absolutely need the extra range and don't have something like Explosive to make up for it though.
@@jormungandr4690 people are using common sense bro, it’s pretty obvious those effects are going to be increased a sizeable amount since there is no range increase anymore. Otherwise RF would be one of the worst perks in the entire game.
@@Gravlyy You say common sense, but then say the dumbest shit ever. 1) Where did he say those effects will be buffed ? 2)How can recoil and cone angle be the worst things i nthe entire game ? That is jsut a very stupid thing to say
ive recently started playing d2 for the first time and have been using an austringer because i think it looks cool. nice to know its actually pretty good too.
Eye of the Storm + Opening Shot Austringer is my favorite gun feel in the game, and has been since Opulence. It is the ideal FPS shooter experience to me.
Epochal has its issues like its recoil not being a perfect multiple of 10 or 5 and its aim assistance being a bit lower than the competition (not by much outside of Rose, and that occupies a different slot). But next season it'll be much better with the zoom and range changes. I'm definitely giving it a go next season. Although it is up against hard competition with Exalted Truth in the same slot.
Let's Goooooooooo! Dude very awesome 👍 The moment Nezzy took a detour to "Water The Roots" 🤣 He said I'll be right back and then you saw him rebuilding back on solid ground OMG! IMO GG's to the best Destiny 2 player alive bro.Much love from Tx.
True Prophecy is still my favorite legendary hc in the game. It's a bit punishing in close ranges but it beams outside of smg ranges. grabbed my opening shot/explosive payload roll in beyond light and never looked back
My favorite kinetic 120. I have the same roll but wish I got steady hand sights or steady rounds. 27 stab is a little low but if you peak shot it will reset for the most part
I use the ikelos on pc with my TLW. I have a 3.0 kd. I guess there are better options. I think its one of the BEST feeling guns in the entire game. Datto is stupid
I'll definitely say Posterity has always felt the best to me out of the 180's, and after crafting it with Frenzy, it only feels even better. Definitely better for PvE than PvP, but it feels like C tier to me. And that gun model though. Gorgeous.
I haven't legitimately seriously played destiny for more than an hour in a couple of 1 offs and like two years, but I'm still watching this video, I don't know why
Cantata is criminally slept on, and after 4.5k kills on mine I can't understand why!! Smalbore/Accurized/EotS/Timed Payload with a Stability MW is JUICY
Targeted redaction can also get focused fury which will allow it to 2 tap. It can the also be reloaded with the strand fragment when using the grapple which doesn't reset focused fury.
Lumina is ny baby, but with how the sandbox is currently balenced I agree that Ace is hands down the best HC in the game. It's probably only going to get more dominant with the Range rework. A more interesting conversation is Legendary HCs, where I think the best option is Rose, though Fatebringer and Eyasluna are iconic for a reason. The lack of ability to get Rose anymore makes me legitimately angry since a lot of people weren't blessed by RNGesus. FOMO is one of the biggest reasons I don't play anymore, but having limited drops was on top of it only being around for a season is so stupid.
At @9:40 in this video, he fired a shotgun and then instantly used a shoulder charge ability without sprinting. How did he do that? He didn't spring beforehand either. Can someone explain?
I’m just glad my main Hand Cannon made it to A+. That made me happy! It’s the Cantata-57. But I really wanna get the Hawkmoon and Ace of Spades. They’re great!
Dude, I ROCK in the crucible with An Ikelos HC with Repulsor Brace and Gyrfalcons!!! You come out of invis every shot has VOLATILE ROUNDS so they can't really even fight back!!! It's an f-ing MONSTER. Also Malf is a 180 and I wreck shop with that as well!!! Don't get me wrong I get what you're saying generally about 180s and sadly agree but there are exceptions! I had a Vulpelica (???( with ADAGIO that was a beast after getting a kill but nothing beats the void Ikelos and Gyrfalcons! I also use a Survivors Epitaph with Osmosis but it's little more situational since you have to time when to throw 'nades .
Facts!! I was starting to think I was the only one that loves the ikelos. I crafted one during this most recent IB. And the only reason I put it down is when I decide to run with Malfeance. I have enhanced rapid hit and rampage on it. I've been debating hard on throwing repulsor brace back on it.
A lot of great hand cannons but it’s hard to use hcs when u have crazy range pulses. Pulses are easier to use but last night I tried round robin and man that thing is crispy
Hi avide bottom dollar user here. I need to get this out, slidehot + high impact reserves is hands down the best way to use it, especially on warlocks using luna. Easily get it procced down to high impact. Two-tap headshot with the bottom 3 rounds, slide to get 2 of 3 high impact bullets back and dew it again. And with lunas you can do it more consistantly and at higher range.
While I agree with about 98% of the tier list, palindrome will still be amazing after the rangefinder nerf imo purely on feel and posterity is the best legendary 180 in the game as it has access to rampage allowing it to 3 tap after a kill without reloading
Not to be that guy but I kinda vibe with Crisis Inverted. I just replaced my roll I had 300 kills on with the same roll just with more perk options to choose from. The roll that felt most comfortable was Full Bore, Extended Mag, Snapshot, Under Pressure, Range MW. I put an Icarus mod on for mor AE for jump shots and it feels very snappy and consistent. It is a jack of all trades roll with great ADS speed, extra bullets, and reduced airborne penalties.
Just want to point out that if you're going with void elemental capacitor, Pure Poetry is actually competitive with even Round Robin. Fluted, ricochet rounds, fragile focus, ele cap, and handling mw on Pure Poetry, and keep away instead of ff on Round Robin. The two trade back and forth in terms of having better stats in each category.
After hearing ,"as most of you know, 180s are trash". My brain went straight into "yeah you are gonna put 180 f and d tier, 140s and 120s c and b tier, and 150s in a and s tier" before realizing that 150s havent existed for like 2 years lol
The prob is they still kill slower than 140s even at the same range, and are outranged by 120s, AND can’t peekshot as effectively as 120s or 140s. I really think they need an rpm buff to make them more competitive
My moving/explosive Rose is looking better everyday. I suddenly don't care about never getting a Rangefinder roll anymore. But I think Keep Away is going to be next Rangefinder. It feels great on basically every weapon I've ever got it on.
Oh btw I have two amazing 70 base stability Rose rolls with one being Elemental + Explosive Payload and the other being Perpetual Motion + Opening Shot
I would note this cause I really love the 120 kill clip play style. If you can get drop mag on any 120 with kill clip you use it. It's just very nice for that faster reload and you usually only lose a bullet. Sometimes you lose a bit of range or stability, but it helps you get more 2 taps if that is your goal. I definitely have a crimil's Dagger with it and it makes it much more bearable.
back when I was doing the thorn quest and it asked for "Hand Cannon and/or Void Kills" I've been using Ikelos for that since I was so new to the game, and it really was not worth it
Still love using Better Devils for some reason. Although there are lots of good hand cannon these days. I just wish they bring it back and not stuck on 1600 light level.
I’ve personally still been using Crimson with lots of success in trials. Maybe it’s because I’ve just gotten used to it after years of messing with it, but yeah. I’m also not disappointed by its placement on this tier list because I’m realistic and know it’s not the best thing out there. Just a play style I mess with
Obviously this is all opinion based and I do play controller with 95 FOV but crimson is S+ tier for me. True you can’t quick peek but it flinches so hard you can be extra aggressive with it and it usually beats all other hcs in ttk. It instantly starts heal and reloads mags as well. I cant even count how many times I’ve clutched a 1v3 because I force duals and instantly get my health and ammo back for the next fight. Combined with the void fragment that gives an overshield on kill when weak you go from a freshly dueled, injured, low ammo frantic retreating mess too a full heath and overshielded full magged opponent. It’s also worth noting the catalyst gives it a range stat to rival most mid level 120s. It’s like a 120 with the ttk of a 140 and the flinch of explosive payload wrapped up in heals/reload on kill and if that all wasn’t enough, it can effectively be used in close range encounters almost like a sidearm since it’s aa stat is so high.
Just whipped out my Surplus+Timed Payload Annual Skate yesterday in some IB games and I adore that thing. Probably wouldn't bring it into Trials or comp (assuming I'm even playing either of those god awful activities), but it's so fun in 6s.
I got a Combined Action with a reload masterwork, flared magwell, tunnel vision, and kill clip. I love it in regular crucible/iron banner. It feels super snappy after a kill and reload and two taps most players. Its very fun.
Makes me sad to see Judgment so low as I main it but the stats could be better so I understand. I have a encore timed payload roll with max range other than steady hand for the sight
I crafted round robin last week and fell in love with it so fast austringer went into the vault fast af 😂😂loved 120s more than 140s igneous was my go to for a while but never got a 5/5
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@@PattycakesGaming You're welcome, sir. Great vid, keep up the good work
Targeted Redaction has been my favorite hand cannon this season, well rounded and explosive payload gives it great range and the gun just feels great, it deserves way higher than C tier.
Nah It doesn't, targeted has really poor stats compared to other 120s, and it's only real use is the broken two tap build. Igneous blows it out of the water, along with Bottom Dollar
It’s not a bad hand cannon but if I needed a good 120 I’d just farm gambit and focus for bottom dollar. Bottom dollar with rangefinder or explosive will put in work
@@Gravlyy bottom dollar is mid i tried it and i cant even get igneous
It is higher than C on classes that can make very frequent use of well rounded, but otherwise I wouldnt us it.
If Unsated Hunger worked like a reverse Surplus I would agree, especially on Strand. However the set up is a bit much compared to a godly Bottom Dollar and Igneous Hammer.
Think you forgot an "a" in the title boss
I rnked every Hnd Cnnon in Tier List xD
lol fixed, thanks
Lmao 🤣
@@PattycakesGamingIs there any chance we can get a new hand cannon tier list from you now that Rangefinder Nerf has been implemented?
We tried to make the rankings with the rangefinder nerf mostly in mind, so it wouldn't change a lot from this list, and when it would we tried to make note of it in the entry (like pali/exalted maybe dropping a tier)@@FauxJam
I think high range handcannons with range finder are still gonna be decent since it will still give significant boosts to aim assist for those long range duels. My top 3 hand cannons atm are Cantata, Ace of Spades and Sunshot with Austringer being a close 4th.
bro rangefinder is nerfed. Rangefinder no longer gain aim assists anymore,now it only provides additional 10% of the zoom of your weapon. For example, if your hand cannon has a 14 zoom, then the rangefinder will turn the hand cannon into 14*1.1=15.4 zoom.
So? Just cause a perk is getting a little nerf doesn't mean it's useless anymore
@@emperorgolden8425 that ain't exactly a little nerf
@@emperorgolden8425 explosive payload is def better than rangefinder now, and according to the leak, rangefinder will get nerf again next season
I'm still so mad that they so heavily limited the ability to grind Rose. Only being able to get 3 drops per week was ROUGH.
I feel that way for overreach rn
Dude it’s driving me insane on the sniper grind, only have about a month left to get lucky for OS + SS
Mates, luck may not be on ur side, but actually making new toon, and in 4 min u unlock crucible, makes it possible to farm 2 per hour legally. i farmed 363 roses and never god the roll i wanted. life sux
@@PattycakesGamingI think Mercurial will be available for 2 seasons like Rose was so you have more than a month. Unless Bungie announced it’s going away after this season. Also Rose will hopefully be available thru focusing at Shaxx next season
@@PattycakesGaming I got OS+SS on first drop of the season.
I think the last word is a little underrated here. It’s certainly not what it once was, but on controller, it’s still very strong. Within its range, it beats smgs in TTK and is fairly forgiving, and it also allows you to always have your radar and have max strafe speed because you are only hip-firing. A great 1v1 weapon if you can close the gap
0 flinch
Perma radar
.6 ttk i think
And good range
It should be metah
I just wanna bring up that Zen moment Ramps up faster on hand canons.
Update: Welp they updated Something New right after posting this video and it's much better now with kill clip... so it would be raised a tier or two for sure. Which hand cannon is your favorite right now?
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Spare rations and round robin are my 2 favs right now not including crimson. Crimson is in a league of its own
Exalted Truth with KW + EoTS
Something new is from solstice. But my Favorite hc ever is waking vigil. I've got close to 200,000 kills on my roll of dragonfly outlaw with light mag and arrowhead (I'm pretty sure these are the things I haven't checked in a while)
Try exalted truth with rangefinder for the aim assists benefits and gutshot straight.
Its like a 120 with the benefits of a 140.
Nation of beasts is fucking killing it rn.
The reticle, the recoil pattern, the amazing perk combo of keep away+explosive payload, im just loving the gun.
Nation of beasts+imperial has gotten me flawless at least once a week since i crafted nation during week one or two of this season.
I just finished my malfeasance catalyst by using it in pvp and i was surprised by how good it is. Its exotic perk allows you to kill anyone as long as you can hit 5 shots no matter the range. I routinely would win duels against snipers and scouts well outside of normal hand cannon range.
The real strength of Malfeasance is how it makes situations where you're forced to hipfire or fire from the air more consistent. You're essentially never punished for body shots in the same way other 180s are.
@@ForeverLaxxexactly
Malfeasance is my top 3 hand canon
13:25 you forgot tht zen gives 2 stacks per hit for handcannons and this makes it rly good on it imo
IDK, seventh is an animal with harmony and reconstruction as a swap weapon in both pvp and pve. Especially pve with lucky pants. In pvp if you get a kill with your second weapon and swap to the seventh it'll 2 tap and with reconstruction you almost never have to reload it.
Farmed 36,000 gambit rep this week (double rep!) to get a slide opening Bottom dollar and ended up with a pretty decent Slide Explosive.... 9 hours. 53 engrams.... Guns feels so good! Great video!
The grind is real!
Are you on console? I have a god roll- rangefinder explosive and does not feel good at all
@@marineboost same for me until I had 43 stability since I felt stability under that number was kinda hard to shoot my shits
*shots
@@marinebooststability boost from slide or surplus makes it feel great. I'd drop RF especially with the nerf
Something about the DFAs reticle makes it feel so crispy
Sidearm tier list when?????
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Malfeasance is 100% slept on in this tier list. It feels really nice with basically no recoil on its shots, can 3 tap headshot from what I remember (don't know if they did something to it in the new season), and if the enemy is bunched up the explosions can net you am extra kill. They also gave it a free bonus to damage on roaming supes so not even they are safe from this thing. I also may be very heavily biased because I spent a while getting the gun and love the design and gimmick a LOT.
Bru I love the ikelos hc, absolutely merked many guardians with that gun
im gonna say it, seventh seraph officer revolver is one of the best 180s in the game due to the fact that it feels incredible and gets explo payload for absurd flinch. definitely worth your time
Personally I'd rather take a 180 too because of the faster fire rate if you need HC stuff too. As a new crucible player, it took a lot of weight off my shoulders
I think some Hand Cannons are going to benefit a ton from the rangefinder change. RF will make up for a lot of HCs low stability and Aim Assist, while allowing you to build more into range. True Prophecy is one of the main Hand Cannons I think will benefit a lot. Kind of does suck for HCs that absolutely need the extra range and don't have something like Explosive to make up for it though.
Ok I keep seeing this misinfromed opinion a lot, but the guy literally said in that podcast that RF ALREADY DOES THOSE THINGS.
@@jormungandr4690 people are using common sense bro, it’s pretty obvious those effects are going to be increased a sizeable amount since there is no range increase anymore. Otherwise RF would be one of the worst perks in the entire game.
@@Gravlyy You say common sense, but then say the dumbest shit ever. 1) Where did he say those effects will be buffed ?
2)How can recoil and cone angle be the worst things i nthe entire game ? That is jsut a very stupid thing to say
ive recently started playing d2 for the first time and have been using an austringer because i think it looks cool.
nice to know its actually pretty good too.
Eye of the Storm + Opening Shot Austringer is my favorite gun feel in the game, and has been since Opulence. It is the ideal FPS shooter experience to me.
Doing this right before the huge damage buffs to hand cannons v majors in pve and the zoom/range changes in general
The thing that makes hawkmoon my favorite gun for PvP is that it feels so rewarding and the sound design on it is just amazing
Best handcannon I’ve ever used and I only switch from it to spice things up. Especially with that laser ornament💦
would have liked to see the full list in the end since i missed where you put trust, i wish i had a good explosive roll on it
Been using Seventh Seraph Officer Revolver as my main PvP weapon. Strange to see it so low. 2.3k pvp kills and counting 🤘
i for one love 180 hand canons as they feel better to me
Something New is from Solstice... Goes to show how memorable said weapon is.
Targeted redaction done dirty, outlaw explosive
Epochal has its issues like its recoil not being a perfect multiple of 10 or 5 and its aim assistance being a bit lower than the competition (not by much outside of Rose, and that occupies a different slot). But next season it'll be much better with the zoom and range changes. I'm definitely giving it a go next season. Although it is up against hard competition with Exalted Truth in the same slot.
Try it with RoN weapons. The handling bonuses and the ability to shut down supers gives it some utility
Steady hand is S tier, literally best 120 in the game.
Let's Goooooooooo! Dude very awesome 👍 The moment Nezzy took a detour to "Water The Roots" 🤣 He said I'll be right back and then you saw him rebuilding back on solid ground OMG! IMO GG's to the best Destiny 2 player alive bro.Much love from Tx.
Nothing makes me smile more then seeing Ace of Spades in top tier and best for last. I love that hc so damn much.
True Prophecy is still my favorite legendary hc in the game. It's a bit punishing in close ranges but it beams outside of smg ranges. grabbed my opening shot/explosive payload roll in beyond light and never looked back
My favorite kinetic 120. I have the same roll but wish I got steady hand sights or steady rounds. 27 stab is a little low but if you peak shot it will reset for the most part
I can’t believe you slandered my baby, Malfeasance.
We just gonna glaze over the seraph sidearm at 0:09?
Keep in mind both palindrome and igneus hammer will come back this expansion. One of them will most likely return next season already
Fax and I can't wait
Even with a nerf to rangefinder it would still be worthwhile to use if there aren’t better options in that column…
Ain't no way this man ranked Dire Promise over my Zaouli's Bane, I am hurt
I use the ikelos on pc with my TLW. I have a 3.0 kd. I guess there are better options. I think its one of the BEST feeling guns in the entire game. Datto is stupid
Ace and igneous. Nuff said everything else lives in the vault forever for me lol
yesterday banshee had a tunnel vision + kc combined action, its pretty fun
Ace, rose, & igneous are my go to’s, with spare there for fun. Great list!
I'll definitely say Posterity has always felt the best to me out of the 180's, and after crafting it with Frenzy, it only feels even better. Definitely better for PvE than PvP, but it feels like C tier to me. And that gun model though. Gorgeous.
I haven't legitimately seriously played destiny for more than an hour in a couple of 1 offs and like two years, but I'm still watching this video, I don't know why
Thanks for the video! This list might need a review/redo soon. 🙂
Cantata is criminally slept on, and after 4.5k kills on mine I can't understand why!!
Smalbore/Accurized/EotS/Timed Payload with a Stability MW is JUICY
With the zoom decoupling from range 180s feel a bit better imo.
0:45 I actually think the ikelos hand cannon looks awesome
Targeted redaction can also get focused fury which will allow it to 2 tap. It can the also be reloaded with the strand fragment when using the grapple which doesn't reset focused fury.
I LOVE these type of videos from this guy, when you ranking bows next, I LOVE using bows in PvP.
Lumina is ny baby, but with how the sandbox is currently balenced I agree that Ace is hands down the best HC in the game. It's probably only going to get more dominant with the Range rework. A more interesting conversation is Legendary HCs, where I think the best option is Rose, though Fatebringer and Eyasluna are iconic for a reason. The lack of ability to get Rose anymore makes me legitimately angry since a lot of people weren't blessed by RNGesus. FOMO is one of the biggest reasons I don't play anymore, but having limited drops was on top of it only being around for a season is so stupid.
At @9:40 in this video, he fired a shotgun and then instantly used a shoulder charge ability without sprinting. How did he do that? He didn't spring beforehand either. Can someone explain?
I’m just glad my main Hand Cannon made it to A+. That made me happy! It’s the Cantata-57. But I really wanna get the Hawkmoon and Ace of Spades. They’re great!
Dude, I ROCK in the crucible with An Ikelos HC with Repulsor Brace and Gyrfalcons!!! You come out of invis every shot has VOLATILE ROUNDS so they can't really even fight back!!! It's an f-ing MONSTER. Also Malf is a 180 and I wreck shop with that as well!!! Don't get me wrong I get what you're saying generally about 180s and sadly agree but there are exceptions! I had a Vulpelica (???( with ADAGIO that was a beast after getting a kill but nothing beats the void Ikelos and Gyrfalcons! I also use a Survivors Epitaph with Osmosis but it's little more situational since you have to time when to throw 'nades .
Facts!! I was starting to think I was the only one that loves the ikelos. I crafted one during this most recent IB. And the only reason I put it down is when I decide to run with Malfeance. I have enhanced rapid hit and rampage on it. I've been debating hard on throwing repulsor brace back on it.
A lot of great hand cannons but it’s hard to use hcs when u have crazy range pulses. Pulses are easier to use but last night I tried round robin and man that thing is crispy
Hi avide bottom dollar user here. I need to get this out, slidehot + high impact reserves is hands down the best way to use it, especially on warlocks using luna. Easily get it procced down to high impact. Two-tap headshot with the bottom 3 rounds, slide to get 2 of 3 high impact bullets back and dew it again. And with lunas you can do it more consistantly and at higher range.
Interesting I’ll keep an eye out for that one… next time I play gambit lol
While I agree with about 98% of the tier list, palindrome will still be amazing after the rangefinder nerf imo purely on feel and posterity is the best legendary 180 in the game as it has access to rampage allowing it to 3 tap after a kill without reloading
I have a palindrome with outlaw and kill clip the stability and aim assist alone makes it a beast. Range on a hand canon to me is an overrated stat.
I really wish I had a steady hand with slideshot Iron grip, the people that have one always give it so much praise
The hunter dive at 19:32 😂
Thorn is the best feeling hand cannon for me personally, if they give it a catalyst that boots range I don’t think I’ll ever take it off in PvP
Make it so picking up the devourer orb increases range, stability, and increases it’s rpm back to 150 lol
@@SavvyMon4that would be busted and I'm here for it
@@BretMFNTaylor it should have never been demoted to 140
@@SavvyMon4 that I can also agree with, stat packed needs to be changed or take back to a 150 I'd be fine with both tbh.
180 hc muzzle flip (recoil animation) blocks the center of your screen but 120's move to the side so you can see your target between each shot.
Not to be that guy but I kinda vibe with Crisis Inverted. I just replaced my roll I had 300 kills on with the same roll just with more perk options to choose from.
The roll that felt most comfortable was Full Bore, Extended Mag, Snapshot, Under Pressure, Range MW. I put an Icarus mod on for mor AE for jump shots and it feels very snappy and consistent.
It is a jack of all trades roll with great ADS speed, extra bullets, and reduced airborne penalties.
I've really enjoyed using Crimson lately, but Ace is for sure my goat handcannon.
pattycake tierlist days are good days
Just want to point out that if you're going with void elemental capacitor, Pure Poetry is actually competitive with even Round Robin. Fluted, ricochet rounds, fragile focus, ele cap, and handling mw on Pure Poetry, and keep away instead of ff on Round Robin. The two trade back and forth in terms of having better stats in each category.
The Ikelos is my favorite energy slot hand cannon with subsistence and repulsor brace, it's amazing for void hunter builds for solo pve content
Something New is from Solstice. It's lore tab is specifically mentions using the same gun models. It's a slight fourth wall break.
After hearing ,"as most of you know, 180s are trash". My brain went straight into "yeah you are gonna put 180 f and d tier, 140s and 120s c and b tier, and 150s in a and s tier" before realizing that 150s havent existed for like 2 years lol
You're gonna have to redo this when the range changes hit
You would've thought Crimson was F tier the way he described it. It was all reasons to not use it 🤣
What's this purple glowing shader you are using in these hand cannons? Looks so good
Let me talk for a bit, Bungie has clarified the ranges for both Hand Cannons and Aggressive Hand Cannons, so 180s might have the same range as 140s
The prob is they still kill slower than 140s even at the same range, and are outranged by 120s, AND can’t peekshot as effectively as 120s or 140s. I really think they need an rpm buff to make them more competitive
@@PattycakesGaming true, just thought it was something worth expecting
My moving/explosive Rose is looking better everyday. I suddenly don't care about never getting a Rangefinder roll anymore. But I think Keep Away is going to be next Rangefinder. It feels great on basically every weapon I've ever got it on.
i couldnt find ace of spades where did you rank that nv I'm dumb
I love targeted redaction, I've got perfect float/ well rounded + explosive payload
Whenever I run drang and sturm, I tend to use drang to build up overcharge and use sturm for the longer range fights.
Are we gonna get a follow up on this once the dust has settled from the zoom decoupling?
Oh btw I have two amazing 70 base stability Rose rolls with one being Elemental + Explosive Payload and the other being Perpetual Motion + Opening Shot
I would note this cause I really love the 120 kill clip play style. If you can get drop mag on any 120 with kill clip you use it. It's just very nice for that faster reload and you usually only lose a bullet. Sometimes you lose a bit of range or stability, but it helps you get more 2 taps if that is your goal. I definitely have a crimil's Dagger with it and it makes it much more bearable.
back when I was doing the thorn quest and it asked for "Hand Cannon and/or Void Kills" I've been using Ikelos for that since I was so new to the game, and it really was not worth it
It always cracks me up watching the destiny TH-camrs say a hand cannon is F tier while they’re wiping teams in crucible with it
I like my role for rose it’s rapid hit explosive payload
With accurized rounds and fluted barrel
Still love using Better Devils for some reason. Although there are lots of good hand cannon these days. I just wish they bring it back and not stuck on 1600 light level.
"a hefty amount of just getting good"
I would put that line into S-Tier
You put trust in D that’s crazy work.
I’ve personally still been using Crimson with lots of success in trials. Maybe it’s because I’ve just gotten used to it after years of messing with it, but yeah. I’m also not disappointed by its placement on this tier list because I’m realistic and know it’s not the best thing out there. Just a play style I mess with
Obviously this is all opinion based and I do play controller with 95 FOV but crimson is S+ tier for me. True you can’t quick peek but it flinches so hard you can be extra aggressive with it and it usually beats all other hcs in ttk. It instantly starts heal and reloads mags as well. I cant even count how many times I’ve clutched a 1v3 because I force duals and instantly get my health and ammo back for the next fight. Combined with the void fragment that gives an overshield on kill when weak you go from a freshly dueled, injured, low ammo frantic retreating mess too a full heath and overshielded full magged opponent. It’s also worth noting the catalyst gives it a range stat to rival most mid level 120s. It’s like a 120 with the ttk of a 140 and the flinch of explosive payload wrapped up in heals/reload on kill and if that all wasn’t enough, it can effectively be used in close range encounters almost like a sidearm since it’s aa stat is so high.
Just whipped out my Surplus+Timed Payload Annual Skate yesterday in some IB games and I adore that thing. Probably wouldn't bring it into Trials or comp (assuming I'm even playing either of those god awful activities), but it's so fun in 6s.
Apparently something new is gonna have kill clip this year so for me it's higher on the list
The only reason I'm not mad about the fatebringer ranking is the existence of slide/explosive rose in S-tier
Yes we are back with a tier list, let’s go!
We have the exact same rose dude, even appended may and hammer forged are in the same place
I got a Combined Action with a reload masterwork, flared magwell, tunnel vision, and kill clip. I love it in regular crucible/iron banner. It feels super snappy after a kill and reload and two taps most players. Its very fun.
Makes me sad to see Judgment so low as I main it but the stats could be better so I understand. I have a encore timed payload roll with max range other than steady hand for the sight
There’s some 180s I really love, like trust and vulpecula (I love explosive payload)
I crafted round robin last week and fell in love with it so fast austringer went into the vault fast af 😂😂loved 120s more than 140s igneous was my go to for a while but never got a 5/5
My EOTS / Explosive Payload Timelost Fatebringer is going to be a BEAST next season after the range changes
The only reason to use the 7th seraph is if, for some reason, youre trying to do a lucky pants build with a legendary HC
I still rock Malfeasance..Can't help it, I love it!!