Bungie saving Pali with slideshot keep away/zen moment for when the player population drops off again. I guarantee once they get in a tough spot they gonna bust that bad boy out and everyone is gonna go crazy.
Ngl Palindrome is without a doubt probably the CLEANEST Handcannon I’ve ever used. Mines still has rangefinder and I’m rocking a fat 83 Range and 68 stability
I agree with the whole spare rations ranking, cus I main it on controller (roll is full bore, Rico rounds, Slide, opening, w range mw) It's awesome with the 5/5 but that's is what holds it back is cus you gotta get the 5/5 for it to compete with other good guns. Good vid btw
Exalted Truth is the underdog king! If you get Killing Wind , Encore procted (one kill), it's a triple 100 stat handcannon (100 range, stability, and handling!) Not to mention it also has kill clip in the second column, making it extremely easy to make follow up kills. it's so beautiful.
@@Awake_wl thanks I play Xbox and really like lunas as well just sometimes I feel like my range cannot compete after the first shot from slide shot. Probably a skill issue but just looking at all other options. Great vid man 👍🏽
I made an editing mistake I found it, it’s not in there😔…I put it at the end in the list though. Basically I think it has good perks like zen moment but just doesn’t have the best stats at least for controllers
Hey awake, I really love your tier lists for these weapons, what tier list will you make next? I’m really looking forward for more guides with things like scouts and 180 hcs
I’ll probably do another shotgun/sniper tier list next. I might look into the 180 hc as well but I’d probably need a lot of research because I don’t know as much about them
Great list man! Was wondering if you were gonna put Sunshot, Crimson and The Last Word in a separate tier list cos those three are essentially thier own unique archetypes?
Yeah they’re kinda hard to rank because they’re like their own thing. I’d say last word is pretty high tier on controller. Sunshot is pretty high tier on mnk but not controller. Crimson I’d say is probably around B tier I’ve heard it’s better on controller tho
Have you tried the Not Forgotten? I feel like since they reversed the sunsetting, that it outshines Luna just because it has zen and Luna can't roll that.
I agree with your value of Austringer on controller. Lunas Howl is my go to in the energy slot and overall use right now. Finally a streamer that I agree with because he’s on the sticks. It makes a difference. Thank you.
Great list, Hawkmoon is my favorite 140 with rose a close second with the enhanced movement speed and EP. I have the Austroraptor ornament and it's great for visibilty. It cuts down the wings on the side of the sight. I have a god roll Luna's with slide/PI and max range/ricochet, but I hate the damn recoil pattern on it. Maybe I should try to get used to it. I have the same roll on Rose as you with 70 range and slideshot/EP. It took forever to get that roll and it's the only god roll I have of it with Slideshot. I couldn't believe it when I got it from Shaxx, 99% of them I focused last season had crap range.
Sunsetting is gone now so technically you could include all hand cannons now. The main one I think is not forgotten as it’s the only good energy option with zen moment. Anyways Austringer the goat
That one is a different type of hand cannon it’s a 180 rpm so it’s not on here but I do really like it. It’s sick in pve especially been running a ton recently
Honestly, when it comes down to a weapon, its really all about which one sounds cooler when im firing it. Like i'd rather use a Loud lullaby then a fatebringer because of the sound, maybe thats just me though
I have the god roll lunas with hammer forged, rico, slide shot/heal clip and Pi / mag howl and a range masterwork and for some reason it just feels so bad to me. I always feel like I’m getting a lot of ghost bullets with it.
he said it slaps, so correct take 👍 apparently crimil's is coming back with the goated combo of slideways/skulking wolf, so finite's days may be numbered...finite even, some would say..
As a pve main, I love using the kept confidence in pvp. I run it with killing wind and eye of the storm and it is one of the best feeling hand cannons for me.
They nerfed the amount of flinch it causes and then once they made the checkmate mode basically the way the non precision damage works or something it now lowers your range
I’m a hand cannon user it fun to play with hand cannon cause they all about the same or similar if u know how to play well and I got a lucky pants to go with hand cannon it help with hand cannon dmg and stability I think
Ima need to get thorn and ace of spades got to buy the pack next week destiny 2 pay to win and I have the hawk moon but I can’t even use it in crucible idk why
I am still a Dire Promise main, I literally never switch from it and it costs me a lot of pain. It's just not good enough, yet it always makes me feel like thats my fault. If gaslighting was a weapon, it would be dire promise
I think Luna's is less popular on MnK because you need to micro-adjust your aim a little bit during fights and the perfect vertical recoil of the weapon covers the target sometimes
Pretty much agree with everything just exaulted truth would put in a with pali same stats and both mid perks. Austringer and Rose my jam. Prefer Austringer over everything though because of the no flinch and stability just easy mode in duels.
Great list, I am on MnK and Imo I would put hawk above luna. I play Icarus warlock and hit flying shots with it all the time but I guess the difference between mnk and controller would be the difference.
They reduced the flinch it causes and then also the interaction with the checkmate mode they added into the game basically lowers your range a little bit, it’s still very good just not as good as it used to be
Been searching for weeks for someone to do a handcannon tier list. Been even focused on searching for “enhanced rose” videos. Rose is now just a monster. I run void titan and use an elemental capacitor rangefinder roll. With polymer grip it his massive stats. 73 range 72 stability 77 handling. It feels nearly as snappy as a snapshot roll but with extra zoom. Hits 35 meters with full damage using DARCI to confirm. I did a test with explosive payload and because of the damage split in the sandbox to correct it not 3-tapping last season, it experiences damage fall off sooner than a roll without explosive payload. I posted a video on my channel (not a self plug).
It’s one of my favorites but after the changes to precision damage I feel like the only 120 worth using is igneous because of precision instrument. Crinkle dagger will have it too in iron banner so for me those will be the only 2 viable ones
i got the god roll 7/5 Rose on my first try. Smallbore and Hammerforge, Accurized Rounds, Slideshot, EP, combat/smooth grips, and it had the range masterwork on top. New Light Luck :)
what was the explosive payload nerf? couldnt find anything relevant on it when i looked it up Also putting nation of beasts and kept confidence (or any weapon save for maybe lumina or better devils) under shit rations is insane to me. Id probably use cantata over spare rations. you rightfully put other guns down for not havnig great range but then put Spare "36 range" Rations in A tier. kept confidence has higher range than austringer, max handling, high AE and higher AA. Nation of beasts hits 82 with hammerforged. Maybe this is a MnK vs controller thing but they definitely dont belong under most of the A tier guns. Eyasluna fell off so hard after rangefinder nerf and palindrome has no good perk on it. Agree with the other tiers except maybe lunas howl because it has balls range, glorified killclip and covers your target when you shoot
They reduced the flinch it causes as well as how the range works because of the precision damage change. Basically your weapon used to have its range INCREASED by explosive payload, but now it is actually DECREASED with it
@@uniball1700 yeah my understanding is that since they made precision damage do more and non precision do less, the EP counts as non so it nerfs the range now
I used to get tons of kills in pvp with controller but now it to damn hard I mainly do pve now cause I’m playing against MnK player I think and it not a chance I get kill even when I shot first
I don't know man exalted truth is better than pali IMO they have similar stats and they both are victims of the rangefinder nerf but Truth has two solid origin traits and eye of the Storm
It probably depends on input they’re pretty close, Pali has more aim assist and stability so I think it feels better on controller but I will say they are pretty close now
The wallah not liking austringer thing is a mnk thing. Its shoots similarly to a 180 but not like a 180 if that makes sense? Idk to me its the only 140 that doesn't have the recoil to the sky like most 140s. Its also why he doesn't like using lunas as well but thats basically a 180. I mean visual recoil matters for some people its why i could never use ace it just feels like it goes to the sky. And its muzzle flash annoys me hawk is just the better one to me sonce it came out
as a end game pve player even i rarely like shooting in the air so i felt this man when he said shooting in air sucks😂😂i only shoot in the air with aoe guns and thats about it lol
Still watching but ima be booty hurt if lumina gets done dirty. Fucking love that gun! Feels great and running around with a perma 35% buff….oo baby. Lucky pants duel cannons.
Yeah editing mistake on better devils, it is in the final tier list though. Sunshot is a 150 so I did not include it. If you want to compare it to 140s I would say it’s probably S tier on MnK and pretty low tier on controller
1 thing I don’t agree with is putting the Cantata in the C tier. It’s been one of my favorite hand cannon to use and you putting in in C hurt my heart 💔
Bungie saving Pali with slideshot keep away/zen moment for when the player population drops off again. I guarantee once they get in a tough spot they gonna bust that bad boy out and everyone is gonna go crazy.
Or they bring back pali with old godroll QD/RF and have dogshit perks for everything else
@@ThornEnjoyer af?
Palindrome I think is ugly.
@@magpi3684 angefinder ?
@@magpi3684 my bed meant RF as in rangefinder
luna’s howl with heat rises and ophids is insane AE at all times, feels nice
Facts. Been messing with my Hunter lately and even one ae mod+ Icarus leaving me at 75 feels great
Ngl Palindrome is without a doubt probably the CLEANEST Handcannon I’ve ever used. Mines still has rangefinder and I’m rocking a fat 83 Range and 68 stability
Nice tier list! Great to see an updated list from a cracked player 🙌
I agree with the whole spare rations ranking, cus I main it on controller (roll is full bore, Rico rounds, Slide, opening, w range mw) It's awesome with the 5/5 but that's is what holds it back is cus you gotta get the 5/5 for it to compete with other good guns. Good vid btw
Great tier lists though I love these kinda videos.
Can you use the old Lunas howl? I have the one from the start of the game
I've been busy af this week and missed this but great vid, thank you
yeah I'm with you, Lunas is one of those 'roller weapons that almost feels like cheating
Exalted Truth is the underdog king! If you get Killing Wind , Encore procted (one kill), it's a triple 100 stat handcannon (100 range, stability, and handling!) Not to mention it also has kill clip in the second column, making it extremely easy to make follow up kills. it's so beautiful.
I have an adept one with outlaw eye of the storm. Sounds dog but man is it so sick
I have an encore killing wind roll.... I can confirm
I have the killing wind encore roll
I have one with fluted barrel, accurized, killing wind, eots with a range masterwork and adept range 👌🏽
Arse
Great vid bro! What do you think about the old pre-rolled Not Forgotten you can get from the exotics vault at the tower? Where would you rank it?
Probably in the S tier I’m not sure where exactly since I haven’t used it much but it’s definitely good!!
@@Awake_wl Awesome, thanks mate!
During the A tier on Spare rations (gun 2J how did you do the warlock slide and get it to go up the platform instead of going onto the wall?
It’ll track to people pretty aggressively if they are above you even
@@Awake_wl I did not know that. Guess I hadn’t been aggressive enough for it to do that XD Thank you
I used Dire Promise the other day and it still feels crispy to me.
What is the program you’re using to combine the perks to different rolls called?
D2foundry. Should be a link in description
@@Awake_wl thanks g
Where would you put sunshot? I know it’s a 150 but pretty much in the same class as the 140s. As far as endgame like trials you think it’s viable?
Maybe like high A tier/S on mnk and like b on controller.
@@Awake_wl thanks I play Xbox and really like lunas as well just sometimes I feel like my range cannot compete after the first shot from slide shot. Probably a skill issue but just looking at all other options. Great vid man 👍🏽
Can u get spare rations anymore?
Did you have Better Devils? I couldn't find it on your list.
I made an editing mistake I found it, it’s not in there😔…I put it at the end in the list though. Basically I think it has good perks like zen moment but just doesn’t have the best stats at least for controllers
@@Awake_wlI see it in B tier yea.
Hey awake, I really love your tier lists for these weapons, what tier list will you make next? I’m really looking forward for more guides with things like scouts and 180 hcs
I’ll probably do another shotgun/sniper tier list next. I might look into the 180 hc as well but I’d probably need a lot of research because I don’t know as much about them
@@Awake_wl How about LFR too?
What’s your sens?
Would you put not forgotten ahead of Lunas?
Personally no, but some ppl seem to like it more for zen moment
What site are you using to show the perks?
d2foundry.gg
Great list man! Was wondering if you were gonna put Sunshot, Crimson and The Last Word in a separate tier list cos those three are essentially thier own unique archetypes?
Yeah they’re kinda hard to rank because they’re like their own thing. I’d say last word is pretty high tier on controller. Sunshot is pretty high tier on mnk but not controller. Crimson I’d say is probably around B tier I’ve heard it’s better on controller tho
Have you tried the Not Forgotten? I feel like since they reversed the sunsetting, that it outshines Luna just because it has zen and Luna can't roll that.
I think it’s good but not as good as lunas
Very extensive list and I appreciate the time and effort you put into this you've earned a sub
I agree with your value of Austringer on controller. Lunas Howl is my go to in the energy slot and overall use right now. Finally a streamer that I agree with because he’s on the sticks. It makes a difference. Thank you.
Great list, Hawkmoon is my favorite 140 with rose a close second with the enhanced movement speed and EP. I have the Austroraptor ornament and it's great for visibilty. It cuts down the wings on the side of the sight. I have a god roll Luna's with slide/PI and max range/ricochet, but I hate the damn recoil pattern on it. Maybe I should try to get used to it. I have the same roll on Rose as you with 70 range and slideshot/EP. It took forever to get that roll and it's the only god roll I have of it with Slideshot. I couldn't believe it when I got it from Shaxx, 99% of them I focused last season had crap range.
Love the tier list but curious as to why better devils was left out since it got updated?
Haha editing mistake , I have it in the end list but I messed up getting it in the video lol
Sunsetting is gone now so technically you could include all hand cannons now. The main one I think is not forgotten as it’s the only good energy option with zen moment. Anyways Austringer the goat
The new Sightline Survey with Precision Instrument can 3 tap with nothing needed at 180 rpm
Great vid bro. What exotic/class/subclass are you mostly running these days?
Been on prismatic hunter these days, might try strand as well
Lumina with boots of the assembler is outstanding
Did I miss your thoughts on Malfeasance. I love this gun. Its really good in pve and pvp for me
That one is a different type of hand cannon it’s a 180 rpm so it’s not on here but I do really like it. It’s sick in pve especially been running a ton recently
Honestly, when it comes down to a weapon, its really all about which one sounds cooler when im firing it. Like i'd rather use a Loud lullaby then a fatebringer because of the sound, maybe thats just me though
I have the god roll lunas with hammer forged, rico, slide shot/heal clip and Pi / mag howl and a range masterwork and for some reason it just feels so bad to me. I always feel like I’m getting a lot of ghost bullets with it.
Yeah some ppl don’t like how it feels, the recoil especially
1:10 Drap might want to have a word with you 😂
I wish it wasn’t so 😔
he said it slaps, so correct take 👍
apparently crimil's is coming back with the goated combo of slideways/skulking wolf, so finite's days may be numbered...finite even, some would say..
As a pve main, I love using the kept confidence in pvp. I run it with killing wind and eye of the storm and it is one of the best feeling hand cannons for me.
What about igneous hammer?
Yep he forgot the s+ tier
I got the OG spare with rapid hit slideshot ricochet hammer forged and a range masterwork, too gud
What's the Explosive Payload nerf?
They reduced the flinch it causes opponents as well as it now reduces your weapons range instead of increasing it
Tlw and crimson?
Can anyone tell me exactly what they did to nerf explosive payload? I don't even remember them doing that
They nerfed the amount of flinch it causes and then once they made the checkmate mode basically the way the non precision damage works or something it now lowers your range
Updated 120 tier list after reprised crimil's dagger and something new come out? 🤔
Yessir that is the plan actually🫡
Encore,Precision instrument is my favorite Lunas roll right now
I’m a hand cannon user it fun to play with hand cannon cause they all about the same or similar if u know how to play well and I got a lucky pants to go with hand cannon it help with hand cannon dmg and stability I think
Which category for the Last Word?
It’s kinda hard since it’s like it’s own type of weapon but I’d probably put in like high A tier for controller
Ima need to get thorn and ace of spades got to buy the pack next week destiny 2 pay to win and I have the hawk moon but I can’t even use it in crucible idk why
Midnight coup’s sight is so clean and the gun is buttery and smooth
I am still a Dire Promise main, I literally never switch from it and it costs me a lot of pain. It's just not good enough, yet it always makes me feel like thats my fault. If gaslighting was a weapon, it would be dire promise
I recommend trying on MnK it will enhance your aim and hand cannon will feel like having extra perks
Smg’s next? 👀
I think Luna's is less popular on MnK because you need to micro-adjust your aim a little bit during fights and the perfect vertical recoil of the weapon covers the target sometimes
Makes sense, honestly on controller it just aimbots onto them 😂😭
Better devils in b???? Is realy good
Pretty much agree with everything just exaulted truth would put in a with pali same stats and both mid perks. Austringer and Rose my jam. Prefer Austringer over everything though because of the no flinch and stability just easy mode in duels.
When's the last time we got an exotic hand canon?
Yeah it’s been so long, I think hawkmoon is the last one maybe? Lol
Wait… isn’t Pali the only 140 that can 2 crit 1 body?
Wow it can’t anymore 😢
Now I believe only the exotics like hawkmoon and thorn / lunas w mag howl can
Great list, I am on MnK and Imo I would put hawk above luna. I play Icarus warlock and hit flying shots with it all the time but I guess the difference between mnk and controller would be the difference.
Yeah I’ve heard ppl don’t like it on mnk so that makes sense
Man you need to get that igneous with precision instrument and keep away 😫
Haha yeah I got a pretty solid one, rapid hit as well!
it is precision frame on Luna's precision frames feel amazing on controller. head shots feel so free. Doesn't really matter for M+K.
I think few players might have a hole collection of hand cannon
Used to getting 20s or more kills on controller but now on MnK I get less than 15 kills usually
What's the explosive payload nerf ? I didnt know about it
They reduced the flinch it causes and then also the interaction with the checkmate mode they added into the game basically lowers your range a little bit, it’s still very good just not as good as it used to be
No way you made a 40 minute video I thought I click on a quick 5 minute video but 40… yeah I’m good. Appreciate my view
Yep this not the one for you lol
I luv hand cannon play. But as a controller player, it is tough. This list helps a lot for a player that has limited time to play.
Hopefully they bring the hawk moon exotic mission back and make it craftable
Been searching for weeks for someone to do a handcannon tier list.
Been even focused on searching for “enhanced rose” videos.
Rose is now just a monster.
I run void titan and use an elemental capacitor rangefinder roll.
With polymer grip it his massive stats.
73 range
72 stability
77 handling.
It feels nearly as snappy as a snapshot roll but with extra zoom.
Hits 35 meters with full damage using DARCI to confirm.
I did a test with explosive payload and because of the damage split in the sandbox to correct it not 3-tapping last season, it experiences damage fall off sooner than a roll without explosive payload. I posted a video on my channel (not a self plug).
for 120’s where would round robin stand?
It’s one of my favorites but after the changes to precision damage I feel like the only 120 worth using is igneous because of precision instrument. Crinkle dagger will have it too in iron banner so for me those will be the only 2 viable ones
@@Awake_wlI think Steady Hand with Swash is viable but more on sixes than Trials or comp
i got the god roll 7/5 Rose on my first try. Smallbore and Hammerforge, Accurized Rounds, Slideshot, EP, combat/smooth grips, and it had the range masterwork on top. New Light Luck :)
Haha that’s actually sick nice dude!🐐
EPs trash now
wish i had a rose with slideshot opening shot, but for now, judgement with both perks will do, just want a rose version cause the handling go buur
Igneous hammer?
That one is a 120 rpm but it would be S tier for that type of weapon as well
Not forgotten is my go to. Second would be hawkmooon.
So Better Devils is forgotten i guess ? Was my go to gun 4 years ago and i still like the feeling of it.
It’s in the end list made an editing mistake on that one unfortunately
Spare rations has to slide to get the range of fatebringer and is somehow ontop
I would move Epochal & Judgement up
I Find this funny because Finite Impactor & Crisis Inverted are S tier for me lol.
Goat ❤
slideshot snapshot Rose is bae
How was rangefinder nerfed?
Honestly it was very confusing and convoluted so I really couldn’t tell you but basically it’s bad now 😂
@@Awake_wl that’s really sad used to be so good. I’ll have to look up what they did
Where would NF sit on this list?
Forgot the best hand cannon of them all partner…
what was the explosive payload nerf? couldnt find anything relevant on it when i looked it up
Also putting nation of beasts and kept confidence (or any weapon save for maybe lumina or better devils) under shit rations is insane to me. Id probably use cantata over spare rations. you rightfully put other guns down for not havnig great range but then put Spare "36 range" Rations in A tier. kept confidence has higher range than austringer, max handling, high AE and higher AA. Nation of beasts hits 82 with hammerforged. Maybe this is a MnK vs controller thing but they definitely dont belong under most of the A tier guns. Eyasluna fell off so hard after rangefinder nerf and palindrome has no good perk on it. Agree with the other tiers except maybe lunas howl because it has balls range, glorified killclip and covers your target when you shoot
They reduced the flinch it causes as well as how the range works because of the precision damage change. Basically your weapon used to have its range INCREASED by explosive payload, but now it is actually DECREASED with it
@@Awake_wl oh wow I didn't know about it decreasing range, I thought at worst it wouldn't buff it anymore. That sounds really bad then
@@uniball1700 yeah my understanding is that since they made precision damage do more and non precision do less, the EP counts as non so it nerfs the range now
Coping with palindrome and spare rations at A. They just aren’t like that anymore
Last word is missin
I used to get tons of kills in pvp with controller but now it to damn hard I mainly do pve now cause I’m playing against MnK player I think and it not a chance I get kill even when I shot first
Malfeasance? My fave….
judgement is criminal ,its easily s tier with slideshot opening shot bro
I mean statistically it’s not but yeah it’s not a bad weapon at all pretty solid
WHERE IS KINDLES ORCHID
I don't know man exalted truth is better than pali IMO they have similar stats and they both are victims of the rangefinder nerf but Truth has two solid origin traits and eye of the Storm
It probably depends on input they’re pretty close, Pali has more aim assist and stability so I think it feels better on controller but I will say they are pretty close now
The wallah not liking austringer thing is a mnk thing. Its shoots similarly to a 180 but not like a 180 if that makes sense? Idk to me its the only 140 that doesn't have the recoil to the sky like most 140s. Its also why he doesn't like using lunas as well but thats basically a 180. I mean visual recoil matters for some people its why i could never use ace it just feels like it goes to the sky. And its muzzle flash annoys me hawk is just the better one to me sonce it came out
as a end game pve player even i rarely like shooting in the air so i felt this man when he said shooting in air sucks😂😂i only shoot in the air with aoe guns and thats about it lol
If thorn felt as good as rose I think it the best
Where’s my crimson excuse me ?
Not a 140 rpm so it is not on the list. I’d say b ish tier
Ace.
Still watching but ima be booty hurt if lumina gets done dirty. Fucking love that gun! Feels great and running around with a perma 35% buff….oo baby. Lucky pants duel cannons.
you forgot 140 in the title
No mention of better devils? A gun that is literally so easy to farm right now
And sunshot which is explosive payload on steroids...
Yeah editing mistake on better devils, it is in the final tier list though. Sunshot is a 150 so I did not include it. If you want to compare it to 140s I would say it’s probably S tier on MnK and pretty low tier on controller
I still think OG not forgotten is great with zen moment
Sunshot?
Sunshot is not 140 rpm, but it’s very good on mnk pretty high tier. I’d say pretty low tier for controller though
What about not forgotten?
Sunset so I didn’t include but it would go in S tier as well
No longer sunset. Bungie un sunset everything @@Awake_wl
NF > Lunas. Zen Moment is just best dueling perk in game.
@@ferbz5936 yep that’s correct in the intro to the video I said anything that was sunset at any point would not be on the list 👍
@@Awake_wl got it, thanks for the response. Gona try it.
1 thing I don’t agree with is putting the Cantata in the C tier. It’s been one of my favorite hand cannon to use and you putting in in C hurt my heart 💔
My favorite Hand Cannon is Forerunner
Forgot about better devils
I know😔 editing mistake. But it’s on the final list at the end haha