Opel Astra-e Tourer 1000 km challenge
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Bjørn, as to the napping - there's a theory that one "good" step is 20 min, not more. You sometimes even don't feel as you have slept at all, but when you go ahead you notice that it helped. If you do just a bit more than 20 minutes, your body can start the "deep sleep" program, and then you'll need something around 1-2 hours, depending on how tired you are. Waking up in the middle of this "deep sleep" protocol, you'll actually feel worse than not sleeping at all. I believe that's what happened to you in this round.
The sleep theory is really amazing! Worth investigating for sure. Please try to always get enough sleep for your own heath, that's the key for so many internelal systems. If we could only have a ScanMyTesla for our own body! 😊
But he's had similar naps in other cars and felt a lot better based on his comments. Stellantis are just uncomfortable. In their manual cars, the foot rest is so massive that it interferes when you change gears. The infotainment system also looks outdated
The problem is that I didn't even sleep for 20 minutes at a time. It was mostly just 10-15 minutes.
If I'm tired (aka the point at which i would want take a nap) 20min is too long and I always wake up groggy, i've found under 15min is required for me. I usually set the timer for 13min, that seems to work best, and even if I don't sleep, just resting with eyes closed is a big boost
About heating and napping. Maybe you could preheat the cabin every 1 hour as you did in the Corsa-e?
It heats 45 minutes before the programmed time and 10 minutes after.
I am sure the Danes are going to Norway to go skiing (week 7 or 8 are school holidays in Denmark, but later prices are cheaper). Unfortunately, I am not surprised that many of my countrymen are left lane huggers. This is why they get such a bad surprise when going on the German Autobahn 😯. You can not hug the left lane there by just doing 130.
Of course, if you are living west of the Great Belt, you know for sure that the worst left lane huggers are from Copenhagen 😂
This seems like a reasonably balanced car. Exactly what you want from an Opel. Only pay for what you need, but not less than what you need.
Except that it is not competitive on price... In my market it is the same price as the SR model y or model 3.. Opel remains a brand for people that don't do any research and just want "a car" - not value for money
But you pay a lot for it.
@@BSquare1989 With the combustion engine, Opel already has a good price-performance ratio.
@@BSquare1989 Well it's the launch price, we'll see how it develops.
To keep heater running you have to be stay buckle up or, enter the passenger side buckle up the driver side, push brake by hand and start enfinge and it will run how long hv battery will last or you open the driver door
I just bought a 2018 model 3,exciting 🎉
Well done
Water repellants like RAIN-X makes such a difference on visibility, I always apply a coat on all windows and mirrors twice a year.
the heating that turns off...When you take a nap on a long journey, it sucks....
Classic old mindset of legacy automakers. They are still thinking to build ICE vehicles
A few comments suggesting you can fool the car into thinking you're stopped at the lights for hours by buckling up the driver's seat belt &c.. But this truly does suck. There should be a feature to take a nap.. And the way the 12V drops is alarming!
The air-conditioning / heating won't turn of if you buckle up the drivers seat belt and put the car shortly in driving mode. After that you can turn it into parking mode and it will not turn off.
It sucks, but cars with 51kwh batteries aren't really designed for long journeys anyway.
quite impressed that its on head to head with Hyundai Kona
Especially as this is a touring, which is great for the extra space.
The Kona was tested 5 years ago!
@@RoyalDudeness New Kona was 11:10
@@solar_ch yeah, but the Kona has a 22% bigger battery.
I have a e-208 and there are some conditions to keep it in READY while stationary. I assume the Astra will have the same logic. The seat belt of the driver seat has to be fastened and the driver door must be kept closed. Then the stand-by timer will not start and the car stays in READY.
Excellent test as usual. For that size of battery, the charging curve is OK - at least it is reasonably flat (when it isn't overheating!). The MEB models and Polestar all have much larger batteries so probably unsurprisingly their max charging rates are much higher.
Even the 52 kWh ID3 charges faster.
Thanks Bjorn. Looking forward to the charging test video. Have to say that on my 52kWh ID.4 I've never got 74kW at 61%! And at 20% it's always under 95kW, even in summer and starting at 5% SoC.😢
@@bjornnylandAccording to the EV database, the 58 kwh ID.3 and 64 kwh Kona charge slower on average (70kw) than this Astra (85kw). Maybe only on the ideal temperature.
Thank you for your time and effort and sharing knowledge to the world, you are the hero people didn't know we need.
Good looking car and i like the red color as well.
If only this car could tow my trailer... I like the looks of the Astra, the blue color is realy nice. But i think the battery is a bit to small for a family car to go on vacation, 100km more range would be good. Anyway, thank you for all the extensive testing
If only there was a Model 3 tourer (with this style body not the bloated Y) A car that many europeans would choose over the saloon.
Model 2
Small? This thing is longer than a first-gen Laguna station wagon, and that car was a monster in terms of loading volume.
Yes,but Skoda Octavia estate petrol is half that price.Opel and stellanis electric cars are too expensive
Don't forget modern station wagons are big on the outside, but small on the inside.
I wish these Stallantis would at least have a charging peak of 120kW. It seems they want to be conservative to avoid some possible massive degradation in their cars. Hopefully, if that is the case, that would keep a great value in the used market eventually.
Yes, that was always the aim of OPEL in particular. They are in the EV business quite a long time now. There is a degradation test with the Opel Ampera-e (GM) on Björns channel. Same issue there: slow charging speed, relatively high buffer, low degradation in the end. Anyways, they're getting better when it comes to buffer. Example ist the small Corsa-e: Beginning it had a netto capacity of ~ 45 kwh. Through software updates it climbed to 46,3 kwh and now 48,1 kwh. (brutto has always been 50 kwh)
@@davidschlenker8260I like the idea of a big buffer for protection. This has been proven to be a great solution for a long-term reliable and guaranteed EV, starting with the old classic Chevy Volt with a huge buffer. Some people claimed it was almost 10kwh of buffer, but it's clear this vehicle from 2012 is aging so well.
Peaks don't help much, but a longer plateau would help. Charging times (10...80) and range recharged per time unit is, what counts.
If you search for eg "opel corsa battery pack", you'll find that the pack is scattered between one portion under the back seats and one under the front ones. That not only increases complexity compared to skateboard platforms, but also cuts into cooling capabilities - and that I believe is the main problem with that mixed platform, also limiting battery capacities. OTOH it helps keeping car heights in check; those cars are still as high as classic ICE, which helps aero, thus efficiency, thus (partly) range recharged per time unit.
Another factor might be they're trying to keep down battery costs low as much as possible, which also doesn't help here - while having that limited space, which kills the LFP option. And that motive (saving on battery cell costs) might also be caused by the complexity of that battery design, which not only hits cooling, but also drives costs due to complexity. So that mixed platform approach certainly backfires here.
OTOH, they have new designs like the one the e-C3 is based on. That one's cheap to build and does feature cheap LFP cells, while still not being fast (20..80% in 26 minutes, 10...80% should be just a bit below 30 minutes), but good enough for a city runabout at least. And also for longer distances, such a car might be used fore once in a while.
The Dodge Charger EV (introduced yesterday) shows though, that even with their brand new "STLA large" plattform, they still aren't where others already are (27 minutes 20..80%, so roughly 30 mins 10..80) - even with also 400V platforms.
@@oenkepoenkeThank you so much for all the info. Really appreciate you.
@@AaronStarkLinux that (long-term reliability) heavily depends on battery chemistry, BMS quality and cooling / thermal management. Eg the 2016..2019 Ioniq EV had a mere 5% buffer and a very small battery of 28 kWh (but high effciency), so many cycles per driven 100.000 km's - and despite high C-rates of upto 2.5 for a long plateau from zero to 77% SoC. There are a lot of Ioniqs with more than 300.000 km on the odo, and they're all above 85% real (measured) remaining capacity. In that case it was the chemistry mostly (and good enough [air: fans] cooling [plus heating, already]), but that battery was also very expensive - Hyundai must have lost a few thousend dollars each car - and so the facelift of 2019 hat 38 kWh (liquid cooled), but very performance restricted (but cheap) chemistry and low charging performance. And Hyundai actually made a positive margin with them. That's early examples of what chemistry adds to the mix. And 40kWh Leafs, known for rapid degradation, show what terrible cooling does. That's why Nissan forced heavy charging slowdowns on later 40 and 60 kWh Leafs, becoming infamous as "rapidgate".
Interesting that they have changed the side of the charging port to the right side which is the wrong side - compared to their other electric cars; corsa, mokka, combo etc.. 🤔
Amazing. This is exactly Peugeot 2008 E but bigger and heavier. From three years ago. This is tech Dino.
Canadians wear shorts! 🤣 I live in Alberta and my daughter wears shorts at 0 degrees C!
I drive the EC4 myself. Did a 1000km challenge in december in between 5 to 8 degrees celcius. Also tried to arrive with 5-10% left. Still needed 30min stop to leave with 80-85% charge. Some time I got 100 kW speed, other times only 45-60 kW. 11h drive, 2.5h charging. It has nice suspension but yeah Stellantis is a slow 1000km EV option compared to others
Have you figured out what the GOM bases its estimates on? WLTP? Throwing darts? I've just given up using it on mine and made a reference table in Excel based on data from Bjørn's tests to give me realistic consumption budgets based on distance to the next planned break/charging stop.
@@peterlutken At 100% SOC - rated range (circa WLTP, slightly lower in winter), 90-50% SOC - mixed WLTP/real, below 50% SOC - real range.
@@peterlutkenat 100% SOC: wltp range for sure. In my experience: in summer time I get 90% of wltp range. In winter time it is more up to 60% wltp range. Only driven on high way 110km/h. So close around 320km in summer, 200-220km in winter time. I just ignore gom altogether.
Good to see more affordable electric estate cars coming.
Its front reminds me of a Dodge. I think I like it. Unfortunately that Stellantis doesn't have much interest in Thailand.
Thanks. They may not be perfect, but at least Stellantis is coming out with some new vehicles that are not too bad all things considered. This one is definitely better for just around town when you charge at home mostly. Lots of love to all from Toronto. ❤❤❤
Strömstad also has slots readdy for chargers for Cirkle K but there ar no chargers at place there for som reason probly power shortage or somthing.
New chargers appearing like mushrooms... we need that in the south.
It's a fair cup. When you have a family that wants to stop after every 1,5-2 hours that's not too bad. I just wish it had a tiny little bit more battery :/
Bjorn, ABRP may get car data via OBD, and ABRP shows estimated % at arrival. Also, what is the millage of the car?
Thanks for the review! Stellantis is very much a ICE manufacturer that still has to fully commit to BEV's.
By the way, I don't really understand the obsession with the charge port being on the left side of the car. As an EV owner who has to charge on public chargers all the time, and hardly ever a rapid charger, I like it that my BMW i3 has the charge port on the right side. This is where, in LHD countries, the chargers are standing on the street.
Get longer cable. Problem solved.
You got the Point! For LHD Countries the left side is the right side because the charge Plug dont Point towards the street while parking in puplic on a charge station.
@@visionmodernclassics3062in a garage or car port, it's the opposite. I wouldn't know how to plug in my Ioniq if the charge port were on the wall's side. And I have an 8 metre cable for public charging, no problem.
@@oenkepoenke why are you not abel to turn your car around ( parking backwards/ frontward) while you charging at your wallbox at home
The Risk that someone crash into your privatly parked car is near to 0 %, where as parked in puplic while charging is not so unlikely, especially at busy roads.
I dont want to pay the damage if a locked charging plug is ripped out while charging
@@visionmodernclassics3062 Indeed, just like mirrors get broken off by cyclists (Dutchie here), a plug facing the street is prone to be broken off by someone passing on a bike or a moped.
It's probably a Dutch thing then 🙂.
Ohhh nooo, Björn turned into a middle lane hugger 🤣. Still a great review - thanks!
Will Neutral prevent it from turning off? A few cars are like that
Love the Rain X
What is the build quality like? I owned a Corsa-e and I was not impressed with the build quality. I found a lot of faults on the car.
I like Astra ST but I will wait for LFP battery(Stellatis will get) :-)
Maybe an efficiency advantage in an EV of estate vs. SUV will finally hammer home to people to stop buying stuff that is unnecessarily big and heavy.
Opel is trying real hard to sell none of these
I wonder If you could just leave the car powered in in neutral to not lose heater when you try to sleep? Thats what i so in Zoe because It also cant run the heater when the car is off
At least on the prev generation the stellantis cars would cut the traction battery after 10min.
At least the earlier cars cut power after 5 minutes, no matter where you have the gear leaver (even the ones with normal ignition switch). Apparently only way to keep it alive is to press the brake pedal every 4 minutes. It can not be programed. Such a stupid design. So irritating when it's a VAN and you use it as an office in the winter.
Only OK Stellantis car is the OLD Califronia Fiat 500e. That has quite nice software and doesn't shut of before the battery is empty.
The rest is horrible, with horrendous infotainment and software.
OT: the van has been broken for 1½ month now, cant charger it on AC it comes up with some charging schedule that the car isn't even equipped with. Peugeot has no clue what to do.
Good car but the Battery is to smal.
Lol...😂😂😂😂 I am in Canada sitting on my deck in shorts and a T Shirt watching your video....temperature? 5C....
Nice looking car and as always great videio!!!
Cheers
Mike and Ally 🇨🇦
Hi Bjorn, what app are you using for wind check? thx
Windy
Var bilenundervognsbehandlet ekstra?
You need a desiccant dehumidifier at those temperature in your garage.
I have 3 in my garage...
So new Renault 5 for Bjorn
so they change the charging port to MEB/ID side.
What’s that app you are using on your phone ? Can I use it on my Tesla model s 2020 ? What equipment do I need ? 😊
@@andersnilsson973 what dongle exactly ?
In the UK atleast, this car is amazingly expensive.
That’s the plan, build average car, over price it, then say “nobody wants EV”. Meantime competition eats their lunch…
It may be comparable on lease to other cars? Many will choose this over kona/niro as it's a Station Wagon design.
@@wintersun398 looking at my workplace car scheme quickly, the astra tourer is £623 per month. A similar spec Kona is £402. Out of fairness I checked the astra hatch gain like for like spec and it's £588. These are after BIK etc. the kina has better range and probably better charging characteristics. And just for a laugh is checked a top spec MG SW, it's was £340. I threw that in as it's what I suspect will be what the astra is compared to.
Don't know why stellantis didn't bring out a long range battery option, new battery with basically the same range
That is why the German saying goes: Jeder Popel fährt nen Opel 😂😂😂
It is weird how the designers have to inject irritating features to the cars. Like the "hold start key for two seconds". Why would you do this?
Legacy mindset. I mean, why on earth we need again a start button?
@@MaurizioLattuadaNot having a start/stop button was one of the few inconveniences I experienced with my Model S. I'm not defending the bad implementation in this case tho.
It's a good charger. But compared with my Tesla Y.......ridiculous
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Why do you use B mode?
Because it's better.
@@bjornnyland Ok.
I thought that It was better for the city, not on highway.
Thank you for this nice report, very interesting as allways.
11:20 yeah they seem to have many tuned old Volvos and US cars in Varberg 🤣 when I charged there in 2021, two US V8s were at exactly the same spot at the filling station, having their noisy engines idle and revving them up once in a while of course 😆 Big tuning scene with those cars in Sweden generally - already when I was there as an adolescent in the 80s, and back then I was fascinated 🤪 Oh and in 2021, there was even one stretch limo (Lincoln Town Car?) which apparently had been fitted with a Tesla drive train, accelerating like mad while absolutely silent (from a distance) - saw it while charging in Uddevalla in the middle of the night 🥳
My 16 year old Peugeot 308 has the fuel filler on the right side too. it does not matter which side really, for dinasour juice. 😊
That's because you can't fill your 308 conveniently in your garage over night. You have to go to the services every time. If you only fill an EV at the fast chargers and omit Tesla chargers, it doesn't matter with EVs either. However, even with your petrol car you have to walk around your car for no good reason, if the filler cap is on the wrong side.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 These comments all come as quite a surprise to me. A. I don’t own a garage, and B. I would never fill up an EV in an enclosed space (pro tip, always outside), C. I drive on the Left Hand Side of the road (RHD), which is the correct side of the road BTW, therefore I don’t have to walk around the car. So many assumptions by people who don’t know me, so get a grip.
My point was that for decades now PSA vehicles have invariably had the filler on the right side (which is the obvious side for LHD countries). But it makes no difference to which side the filler is on, unless you ae super lazy and can’t abide walking a few extra metres to connect. Even in adverse weather. Perhaps EV chargers should be undercover, just like gas pumps usually are.
Just exactly why aren’t they under cover BTW? Answer. Because they require customers to be parked at a charger for far too long (dinosaur juice is 5 minutes), and therefore they need massive numbers of them to accommodate the through put. Therefore you would need a roof area verging on the size of an aircraft hanger, and that would be expensive. So they are stuck out in the open in second class. 😀
@@GolLeeMe A: I didn't assume you had a garage. All that matters is, the only place you can top up is at the services, where it doesn't matter. With an EV you'd typicall rarely or almost never charge at the DC fast chargers. Instead you'd slow charge at some AC charger, because that's cheaper, more convenient and quicker. As opposed to DC charging, charge port placement may make a difference for AC charging Those are considerations when buying your second EV, with your first you'll worry about irrelevant things such range.
B: Unlike a petrol car, it's no problem to charge or let an EV run inside with closed garage doors and even smoke while pluggin in.
Petrol pumps need canopies, because otherways water would eventually get into your cars tank, possible stalling the engine and definitely damaging various components of the fuel system. EVs are impervious to water and unlike fossil cars there's no need to wait in the rain for 5 minutes until the tank is full. You plug in and walk away. However, in my country almost all of the newer fast chaging hubs have a canopy and I personally charge first class in my cozy garage, which costs me 10 seconds once a week.
@@adrianguggisberg3656 Agree with most of what you suggest and I am fully aware of your context, expect for a few. The following is my personal opinion only.
Never, ever charge an EV inside an enclosed space. It’s just not worth the risk. Millions do however, but for me it’s not a thing. Even our eBikes are charged outside and the batteries live there too. I insist on this and it’s never been an inconvenience for us. If any form of transport was ripe for electrification at the moment, then bikes a the prime example. Unlike EVs, it’s a good fit. I’m not anti EV, I just see past most of the BS.
Also location of charge port makes absolutely no difference IMO. That was my original subtle joke with Bjorn. Perhaps too subtle. He likes to point this out when he is standing in the freezing cold handshaking the port and charger on one of his many 1000km challenges. I think he just likes his chant on right and wrong side. I agree with him, because essentially to rapid charge anywhere in the world you are not covered by a roof, so the quickest location to get to your port is the best one. But it really does not matter. It’s a good joke by him and it’s only relevant if you need to charge your vehicle away from home. Even then it’s not really relevant. In context, he was talking about European vehicles with the wrong side charge port, and as I pointed out my 308 is on the exactly the same side as the Opel, 16 years later. Many apartment dwellers cannot get a charge in their place of residence at all. Their property bodies either have banned EV charging in the parking level (true due to a number of factors), or they do not have off street parking in a basement, etc. anyway. They instead rely on charging stations for power, and they get shunted out in an open area when they do, for all their troubles. 😀
Finally, the coverage offered to ICE is a courtesy to customers. It should be the same of EVs but isn’t. For the number of bowsers at a services centre the area of roofing is minimal. You might have 20-30 pumps working and a throughput of 8-10 customers per hour at each pump maximum. Maybe more. Check that out when you go to a services centre next time. To do the same for poor old EVs would mean a substantial roof area to cover all chargers (assuming it’s like Norway) and where there are many installed. That would be extremely expensive as a build price and has nothing to do with much else. Getting that much power to most places (like in Norway) would also cost a sustainable amount in infrastructure. All of this would increase the price of a kWh and that would be bad for everyone. Because you are typically there for 30-60 minutes, thats a luxury charging businesses cannot afford. If you limited EV charging to 10 minutes, things might be different. All charging cables should be at least IP65 rated, but still the suggestion is not to charge an EV in rain or wet weather where the charge cables get wet or not under some form of cover. Makes sense really, and is a wise precaution in my personal all opinion. Cheers.
@@GolLeeMeThe location of the charge port makes a difference for most people, because as of today most people charge at home, often in their garage, where it's difficult or even impossible to get to the right side of the car. Ask Björn Nyland, I'm 100% positive that's why he thinks the charge port should be on the left side, that's also why Tesla put the charge port on the left side, and it has nothing to do with fast charging whatsoever.
Nowhere in Europe and I think anywhere in the world you will find a fuel pump with a throughput of 8-10 cars per hour. It's closer to 4-5 on a very busy day. Only if there is a queue and contactless payement directly on the pump it might approach 7-8 cars per hour. With payment in the shop, which is almost always the case for motorway services, 5-6 is the absolute maximum even with a queue.
In ten years and far over half a million kilometres of driving EVs, I dont think I ever spent 30 minutes at a fast charger, let alone an hour. It's usually 20 minutes, because that's how long it takes for me to wee, get an espresso and a croissant and to somoke a cigarette or two. EVs are generally done fast charging after 20 minutes. Beyond that it's just a waste of time.
As for not having canopes over fast charging hubs, I dont know where you live, but in my country most newer hubs have a canopy. I drove to Portugal last summer, which is basically a developping country, and even there many hubs had a canopy. Petrol pumps need a roof to function reliably, and to avoid water ingress into the cars fuel systems. EV charging is not affected by rain or other averse conditions. However, fast chargers under a roof are less prone to malfunctions, just like fuel pumps, displays are easier to read, card payement terminals don't freeze over etc. It's still early days, ten years from now, uncovered DCFC hubs will be the exception.
Seeing how many heating fans you have in your garage I wanna know how much you pay for 1kWh.
I only have one heating fan there. And it's rarely in use. I have heatpump.
So in essence … a nice car, but the charging speed sucks 😂
So, to summarize, quite average in all respects.
Like a true german !
Typisch für Opel😅!
For a 2015 car yes ...for now, it's just not that good.
Greenwashing classic: “don’t make it better than the average ICE” Stellantis for the win…? 🏆
eccept its price... :-(
Opel, support socks on wheels
We Canadians are wearing shorts 😂😂😂😂
Hard to choose this over, say, an MG5 which is probably also £5k or more cheaper!
j avais beaucoup d espoir que ce format et cette ligne offre une meilleure efficience, et donc un bon resultat au 1000km challenge, mais finalement ça reste moins bon qu un niro ev. quelle deception ...
OOF, The interface is dated
AFAIK, this platform only has battery-cooling and no heating. I've a schematic drawing from PSA.
And still the battery was too warm for fast charging at 27:11.
take a closer look to the drawing ;)
The heatpump is also able to heat it up under certain circumstances/temperatures. Anyways, its power for heating is super low. The 100 KW cars from Stellantis have the same system. Especially in cold temperatures (
@@davidschlenker8260 drawing is based on the eCMP platform but knowing Stellantis, I cant imaging they would implement heating.
@@davidschlenker8260Wow, this is a major design fault if you ask me.
A warm cabin in the winter is not only a matter of good comfort, but also safety.
@@DBGE001 Agree for the last part. That's why you only should use EcoMode when feasable. Normal or SportMode will activate the standard heater and the cars get warm within 1 or 2 minutes - as every other EV with the penalty of higher consuption of course. The heatpump system in the Stellantis cars is not bad (except for its weakness) but rather complicated to understand.
I don't understand the success of all this Stellantis stuff...
It is china crap underneath
Stopping for 20 min every 100 km while doing 110 km/h in 2024 is a disaster. It must cost 20k euro for anyone to be interested in that.
This is quite sad. Slow charging, poor efficiency for a warm day, old fashioned UI and tech, and too high price point. Why would anyone ever buy a Stellantis car ?
Stellantis GOM is a joke
I See... They have nothing improved since i sold my Corsa... Awesome overpriced stuff...
9:28 did you fart
Is that a question
So your garage has onlyfans ?
I think you sugar coated how much of a joke that car is for being a 2024 model. It just all screams "go buy our ICE cars, please!". What a let down
No, I didn't.
Have you tested a Stellantis car from citroen, peugeot, open? they are just as bad no matter what propulsion.
@@bjornnylandI think the consumtion is horrible, and it plays a big role in the slow 1000 km time, at least for a car that new. I think as consumers we should hold the automakers more accountable when it comes to consumption. At the end of the day its our money we are burning at 60 ct/kWh and 25 Wh/km on the Autobahn. It just seems like what companies like Stellantis did was getting real good at optimizing for WLTP the last years instead of producing more efficient cars for real. And I would appreciate if you would call them out more for that.
They made EV boring then car could charge 100 kw and outputs around 115 kw to wheels it just plane stupid
What a ball ache. Unless you have a 150 kWh battery, long distance journeys just aren’t practical with current EV technology.
Why does anyone even willingly do this to themselves? There is absolutely 0 reason to buy an ev as long as they take longer than 30min to charge 0-100%, actually don't cost half a leg and a full arm, can drive for longer than 300km(at least 600-700km) and you can actually find a damn charging station without driving 10km. Absolutely pointless
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