Even Chinese Americans Divide Themselves Provincially
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Great commentary as well... love how you give balanced and impassioned views/sentiments on social issues such as tribalism, individualism and diversity though as humans its truly fascinating as different as we are there are a profusion of similarities😊😮❤
Tribes/Nations: Say (mom)
English " mom" = mom
Norway " moor" (100% meaning preserved) = mom
Nuer ( South Sudan/ Ethiopia) " more" = mom
Mama
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My parents are from Shanghai, they think they are the best... Haha... But I quietly liked people from Guangdong because I dated this girl from Guangdong when I was in high school... But one day I told her Shanghainese food is the best China.... she got all upset and said Not only Guangdong food is the best, Guangdong is the heart of Chinese culture. Haha... I realized then... we are all just too proud... Later I also found out that my Grandpa was actually from Shangdong... which makes me actually a Shangdongese.... So I asked my parents why I am not 187cm like my grandpa... they told me thats because I was picky eater otherwise... i should be above 180cm like all other kids from shangdong....
Not every kid from Shangdong is going to be over 180cm. Not even all kids from ONE family are of the same height.
Mendelian genetics just doesn't work that way. Don't operate on pop culture beliefs.
Reality and pop culture beliefs aren't aligned all the time or to very high degrees, even when they do align somewhat.
One personal anecdote:
South Korean tourists have confused me, more than once, in the Twin Cities, in city buses, full of different people and Asians... for being a Korean. They would start talking to me in Korean. I said, I am sorry but I don't speak Korean. Oh, we are sorry, we thought you're Korean. You have a round face like Koreans?
What? Don't 85 - 95 of the average Asian have a round-ish face? What face do I supposed to have? Square? Triangle?
I'm Asian, with ancestors having lived, for THOUSANDS of years, from the southern bank of the Yellow River to Yunnan. Just because 5 generations ago, my ancestors left Yunnan for northern Laos, where I was born, MY GENOTYPE AND PHENOTYPE don't, all of a sudden, drop those 45,000-year-old traits of living in Central Asia & East Asia.
Today's Koreans and Japanese are MERELY the descendants of Asian groups from Central Asia (before they become "Asia" as we know Asians today, of course).... who moved easterly to what's now China and, from there, they simply trekked out a bit further East.
They didn't pop out of the grounds in the Korean peninsula or in the Japanese islands, just 2,000 years ago, totally unconnected, phenotypically or genotypically to THE REST OF OTHER ASIANS in the "mainland."
Anyway, my NON-KOREAN colleagues & friends say I "don't look like Korean," by which they mean I don't look like ONE of those 6'1" Korean actors with tons of plastic surgeries.
But I DO LOOK LIKE the AVERAGE KOREAN. Except for the extremes on either side (the really stereotypical kinds), the vast majority of Asians LOOK LIKE OTHER ASIANS, even though we pretend we know who's whom "by just looking at them."
That's just BS.
Sat me next to these two guys and if you didn't know whose whom, you'd just think I was one of their older cousins.
Not only that, my little brother has been living and teaching in Japan, the last 15 plus years... ever since he graduated from college.
Very few Japanese, by sight, would say he's definitely not Japanese.
And when they speak to him, most still wouldn't know for sure, if he's not Japanese "just from another prefecture far away."
He is as fluent in Japanese as 99.99% of foreigners, who are said to be highly fluent in Japanese, would ever be....
Again, he's been living and teaching English to Japanese kids for over 15 years. BEFORE going to Japan --- born and raised in southern California, my brother majored in Japanese in college, so ---- his Japanese was already very solid.
In any event, the ONLY TIME you or I would know some Asians are "definitely not Korea" or "definitely not Japanese," etc. is if they're REALLY DARK... like Asian genetic stocks whose ANCESTORS having NEVER LEFT the Tropics... like folks from southern Thailand to Indonesia (excluding the people descended from Chinese, from China, the last 200 years of course).
Otherwise, if your "Asian ancestors" were people who went from the Mid East (45,000 to 50,000 years ago) into what's today referred to as CENTRAL ASIA... and from there, they slowly trekked easterly to what's today called CHINA... and far beyond it... then.... you WILL SHARE ALL THE MAJOR AND MINOR genotypes and phenotypes of 99% of Asians ORIGINALLY from Central Asia...
I have nieces and nephews who are half White and half Asian...
If you dropped them off in most CENTRAL ASIA, today --- and if they didn't wear American clothes or spoke English ---- MOST LOCALS wouldn't know for sure if they're not just some other Central Asians, a little bit from the east or west or south or north...
Those mixed nieces & nephews of mine LOOK, genotypically and phenotypically..... MORE LIKE the average modern Central Asian...
They DO NOT look like the average East Asians, or the southerly Southeast Asians (like the Indonesians, southern Thais et al), or South Asians, or Middle Easterners or Western Europeans...
Again, that's because those nieces and nephews of mine have Western/Northern European and Central/East Asian genes in them... in a range....
MOST of today's Western/Northern Europeans, by the way, only arrived in northern and Western Europe the last 4,000 to 8,000 or so years.
Before that, most of their ancestors were roaming around in western CENTRAL ASIA... with most of modern Asian ancestors roaming around in eastern CENTRAL ASIA... both major groups having marched into Central Asia, around 45,000 to 55,000 or so years ago, when their earliest ancestors left the Middle East area, where they arrived from Eastern Africa.
It was in the cold, northerly LATITUDES in Central Asia that the people who would go on to give birth to modern Western Europeans and modern Asians went through the sets of MUTATIONS needed to adapt to such an extreme place.
Modern Asians, like the Natives of Indonesia ---- close to the equator ---- whose ANCESTORS having never went into Central Asia.... those Asians retain their very dark skin pigmentation, with some still have curly/kinky hair genes... like the Papuans and other Austronesian Asians...
All other Asians, from genetic stocks having trekked NORTHERLY into the Central Asian region... all of us came from genetic stocks with PALE to VERY PALE skin pigmentation.
In the Upper Mid West/Twin Cities... after a few months of not very much sun, I am VERY PALE... paler than most White males I know, even though our Asian skin are different from the average White skin.
Back on GENETICS & HEIGHT range:
One of those nephews of mine is slightly over 6 feet, whereas his eldest brother is just my height. Their youngest brother is around 5'9" or so.... Same father and mother...
@@kiabtoomlauj6249you went on a respectable class lesson here I enjoyed it
@@kiabtoomlauj6249 👍You need pay visit to the Terracotta Warriors . You must be a descendant of the Great Qin warriors.Your ancestor must be a Qin General or Tuman(千夫长) which have former 6 state royal family's female as wife. haha lol 😄
I took a Circle DNA test and that proved that I come from all parts of China and Southeast Asia… My brother is 6 feet and I am just 5.1 ! I think that due to Shanghai’s cultural legacy, as they have been at the forefront of development and they have been so invested in education, it is fair that they believe that Shanghainese are la crème de la crème. Being born in Costa Rica, I didn’t feel connected to te culture and thus I campaigned against the values that allowed my family to flourish. By understanding and honoring my roots I can understand myself and my parent’s legacy.
2 white girls in the thumb tho?
More like two AI girls.
Second girl is Gu Ailing, a Chinese-American Olympian mixed between Beijing and American ancestry. Northern Chinese cultural identity.
The girl on the left is J Lou of rice fam
Kinda odd showing 2 hapas for this video
@@ceeIoci guess they are the more special Asian Americans
Canto guy (more ABC: came at age 2); in my late 50s now, but back in the 70s, we had lots of different and even mixed Chinese immigrants. I loved them all and wanted to be friends with everyone. Whether they were Spanish/Chinese (Cuban, Dominican, etc), Vietnamese refugees, Mainlanders, Taiwan, I never treated them differently. Even had peeps from Burma, Laos and Cambodia in NY. We all ended up playing handball, basketball and becoming friends. Sending out love vibes to all my fellow Asians.
you must live a fabulous life
This is why we will never achieve unity. There is always something. If it’s not race it’s religion, if it’s not that it’s nationality, if it’s not nationality it’s region, if it’s not region it’s city, if it’s not city it’s neighborhood 😭
Familiarity brings contempt and it is why the people most similar often hate each other the most ardently. Like Koreans vs Japanese or Irish vs English. Tribalism brings people together by separating others often on minor differences.
Same way the Native Americans declined and died out in America after migrating from Asia. Asians across all boards are too damn tribal and everyone thinks they are better than the next. Asians hate on each other more than ppl hate on us. Never any unity, even among the same ethnic and national class/origin.
This is why all Chinese aren't Han Chinese originally. I am Miao/hmongb(Chu), you are Zhang, he is Yi, they are Yao, she Tai, she is Han, they are Cantonese not Han Chinese, Kim is korean, Eko is Mongolian, John is Taiwanese, Yang is Tibetan, wang and Wue are lost but claims to be Han-Chinese, Xi and Qi are lost too and claims to be Han-Chinese, hahaha. There were thousands of different Chinese ethnicities back in the day, not just 3 or 4.
Is that why China as an entity has existed for the last 3500 years?
😂
Yes. It is called Balkinization. Traditionally China was an Empire that controls multiple ethnic groups -- India has the same multiple ethnic issues too. - many non Chinese often think all chinese look the same and are the same. The more affluent Han immigrants in the USA are less ethnically isolated.
The non-Chinese understanding of Chinese ethnicity is evident in their classification of "dialect" for China specifically because they translated "regional language" as "dialect". Linguists understand dialects are mutually intelligible yet Cantonese and Mandarin are called dialects even though they are not. By using the Western translation of the term, Russian would be a dialect of Chinese since Russian is classified by Chinese texts as a regional language.
There are no men in China all looks like girls 😂
Traditionally, Chinese immigrants didn't call themselves Han. We called ourselves Tang people. And that's why Chinatowns are directly translated as "Tang peoples' street". The earlier waves of immigrants, and the ones who set up the dim sum (which is a southerner cuisine) shops in places like California are from 2 southern provinces - Guangdong and Fujian.
We Chinese people do divide ourselves amongst provinces. But the kind of animosity that exists between Japanese and Chinese, and Japanese and Korean, does not exist between the descendants of different provinces.
@@sieteocho the yue was not properly pacified during the Han period, and only came to see themselves as part of China later during the Tang period. That is why local languages called themselves Tang-people instead of Han-people.
Fujian and Guangdong are adjacent provinces next to each other, but they speak different languages. After large waves of emigrants went to Nanyang in the 19th century, they formed different clan associations (and secret societies) and then had clan wars over there.
We even have this in USA. CA doesn't act like New Yorkers or Texians....regardless of race
Act? If you move to Texas from California you don't just live around other California people 😂 😂 and we don't speak different languages it's just an accent 😂😂
And NY and California act similar shoplifting legal no bail .. and a really low crime rate, Compared to Texas or Florida 😂😂😂
Exactly, us southerners dont accept people from the yankee states, and california.
As an Indian, the comment at 1:30 is 100% spot on. We bring all of that caste-based, family status, and hindu/muslim apartheid nonsense across with us. We are the one of loneliest minorities. We can trust our own people less than others. Other Indians know what I'm talking about. That Desi gaze from other Indians.
that’s pretty crazy cause I heard the British colonizers are suffering the same thing
Speak for yourself bruh. I haven't seen any of that shit in America. I've seen the Indian community be both tightly knit, and at the same time able to intermingle with people from all countries.
The only thing that might cross borders is the Hindu Muslim thing, but given India's history, Indians should naturally have a dislike for Muslims and Britishers. It's like saying the Aboriginals don't like the Britishers.
Sure, contemporary Muslims are not responsible, but they still support those barbarians who invaded and committed genocide. So it's natural that, that hate still exists.
I wish, as a Singaporean, that I understood Indians better. But I can tell the difference between a Singaporean Indian and a new arrival right away. The Indians who have been in Singapore and Malaysia probably have reasons to get rid of the caste system, and probably are lower caste if you asked them. And I found it very striking that the newer Indians don't eat Singapore Indian food. At least not at first.
Singapore and Malaysia are 2 of the most successful ex-British colonies because we're the ones who to the greatest extent overcame the British divide and conquer thing.
@@itsover9008 nice try but diaspora Indians only stick with their own kind Punjabis stick with Punjabis, Tamil stick with Tamils, every group you name it they all do the same, they treat other people from India as foreigners
As long as we are still humans with opinions, thoughts, and beliefs, we will always try to judge the differences between each others interests, practices, food, wealth, etc. It's part of the Yin and Yang. There are always the opposite of everything, and that is what makes it a whole.
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This reminds me when Bruce Lee was on a talk show in the early 70’s…where they introduce Bruce Lee as a Mandarin star…but Bruce made it very clear that even though he’s Chinese but he’s Cantonese 💯🐉
Cantonese-German. His mother was 3/4 caucasian.
@@patturnweaverBruce Lee has also english jew in him.
@@OKay-ox3kh He was discriminated and was forbidden to teach to the 🇺🇸 or anyone that wasn’t Chinese during those times & era…Not because Bruce was mixed…actually Bruce wasn’t even mixed because he had a hint of German on his mother side…I swear you colonizers like Europeans/whites always tried to take credit for everything…y’all wish Bruce Lee was more white or euro…but in reality he’s 💯% Chinese/Cantonese 🐉
@@Qazaq_Qiyat_1465 Stop the lies…no way in hell he has Jew at all…you colonizers are too ridiculously pathetic with your claims just to get some type of credit…that’s why euro/whites get burned under the ☀️ easily more because of your evil ancestry that’s embedded In y’all’s dna 🧬 🤣
@@patturnweaver Bruce barely had German in him that came from his mother side…you acted like Bruce’s mom was a German lady while in fact she is Mainly Chinese/Cantonese that had a hint of German…as much as you wishes…you can’t say Bruce looks German at all 🤣
Just huddle up, pass the peace pipe, puff , puff, give and we all good. We all just chillin now.
Sorry but Cantonese definitely does not sound like Mandarin.
That's not what David meant. He was saying, between Cantonese and Fujianese, he thinks Cantonese sounds closer to Mandarin. A relative comparison.
It's a bit like Italian and Spanish. They're clearly different languages, but when compared to German, Italian sounds more like Spanish.... I think?
@@ericliao2088 Italian and Spanish sound similar to each other because they share a lot of the same words and can understand each other quite a bit because of this. As a Mandarin speaking person I cannot understand a single thing in Cantonese. They are both tonal and that’s about it. But I understand what David is saying and
your analogy. It’s like cat sounds more like a dog than a fish 😅.
And for Shanghainese, it sounds like barbarian language 😉
@rosiey172 big facts…definitely not the same
@@rosiey172 haha exactly!
I need David to do a full episode with the Chinese accent 😆 that shit is gold
I've traveled all over China and I never saw anybody that looks like your thumbnails.
The things some youtubers do for views
The southern Chinese girl in the thumbnail is J Lou. She's half French, half HK. She's a TH-camr. Search J Lou and see her channel
I just hang with people I get along with no matter what ethnicity. ❤
Something similar to this is when it comes to Mexicans from different regions. Such as the northern, center and southern regions. The food has differences, they way they speak Spanish. They also stick to their own groups if they are from similar regions.
More Chinese in the mainland speak Mandarin as their first and native language with every decade. The number is 50% of the population now. The reason is because Chinese social media (so for kids all the cool influencers) is mostly in Mandarin, and because the travel for work and university means more spouses came from different provinces and thus speak Mandarin at home rather than a dialect. Other factors include the continuous rise of China and propaganda promoting pan Chinese nationalism. The effect is felt less amongst the diaspora Chinese in the West so the further back the immigration happened the more likely you are to have a stronger provincial identity.
With better transportation and mobility people in China are going to increasingly intermingle; keeping the tradition of a dialect/regional language is going to be harder as population becomes more homogenized. In my own case, my children are a mix of Cantonese, Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka with some Shandongnese; there's no way they would only identify with any particular group, and it's hard enough simply making sure they are able to speak Mandarin proficiently.
i am a teochew from abroad and i m proud of it. i also feel that we have some things which are not similar comparing to the "other" chinese
Chinese from Taiwan and HK are more westernized. China’s Mandarin have Beijing accent, different from Taiwan Mandarin. HK’s Cantonese is loud and facially have a different look to them. Chinese people are not alike because it’s a big country.
I disagree. I think mainlanders are most westernized. Many I have met are not as religious or superstitious compared to Taiwanese. I think Taiwanese are more modern but not more western. And mainlanders are also influenced by communism which is a western ideology while taiwanese are heavily influenced by Confucianism.
Bananas
@@btlim4316 see the contradiction is that how could the mainlanders be more westernized if they are communist, aka, everything that defies the core of western ideology?
What's the definition of Westernized?
Without a clear definition, this argument is meaningless.
@btlim4316 What a joke. Communism is a Western ideology. The most unwanted Western ideology that all modern civilizations ditched 😂
David! Where'd you get that shirt from?? 😂
Northern girls are taller and more pale. This is same everywhere, not just in China.
Southern chinese people from Guangdong and Yunnan are genetically closer to austronesians than they are to the Northern Chinese. Based on clusters
Taiwanese aboriginals are the ancestors of yours Austronesian
Facts.
Here in Singapore, the early Chinese migrants came mainly from the Southern provinces, while those from the North only started arriving in the 1980s. The difference is less along provincial lines, but rather more on values and worldviews. I guess this is part and parcel of immigrant societies, as each new wave would bring migrants shaped by different experiences. As for the Indian community here, there was also some disquiet about new migrants and expatriates. Unfortunately, old mindsets on caste and class were brought in by newer arrivals, and that caused some unhappiness in the community here.
Most Chinese, especially mainland Chinese, tend to see others as people of the same country and origins. Regardless of the regional differences, we are still the same people that share the same culture and heritage, and we can be friends. But if some ethnic Chinese groups think they are superior or want to balkanise the Chinese ethnicity/culture, then so be it.
All is fair for Mainland Chinese until the community get to over 30 people and everything get balkanized
This isn't even an Asian or Chinese thing. This phenomenon happens in ALL immigrant groups...Eastern vs. Western Armenian...Mexicans from various Mexican states...People grow up with their particular region as "the world," and then when they go out into the real world, they apply those same perspectives because that's the world they knew.
My Chinese grandfather’s ancestors immigrated to China from Persia in the 1200s and the province where he grew up still thought his family were foreigners🤣
Bro to put it in a way Americans understand imagine a kid who grow up in Southern California meets a kid from Massachusetts for the first time they generally have a different experience and culture even within the U.S, it’s natural for countries with large land masses.
I’m 5th generation Cantonese here in California. My family has been here since the post gold rush era. In California it use to be mosty Cantonese . Over the last 25+ years there’s been an influx of Northern Chinese Mando population which seem to be separated from the Cantonese peeps.
The Indian and Desi population is even more divided based on the province and specifically the cast systems.
When are you two 'bros opening a restaurant?
China is so big that each province pretty much serves as its own country.
Far northern China has much more in common with Korea than it does with Guangdong, but alas, northern and southern Chinese are still considered the same, and Korea is a different country entirely.
i like to hear whether you think northern chinese are genetically more similar to koreans than southern chinese. i mentioned that before on social media some years back and some korean dude was offended and said that 'scientific genetic tests' shows koreans are very very different from northern chinese.
@@hailyrizzo5428 Honestly, i can’t speak on the genetics, but I believe you!
I just got back from both countries, and had a wonderful time, with no negative feelings towards either. Korea just feels like another province of northern China, but speaking their own dialect.
Seoul looks and feels like another Tier 2 or 1.5 city in China at best, and is nowhere near the scope and magnitude of the likes of Shanghai.
The attitudes of the people are quite similar as well. Customer service is non-existent, and they have never even heard of a smile.
The further south you go, the friendlier people get, but they are still not “nice” by any means.
People in China simply think of Korea as their little brother, as they believe it’s still their vassal state, where much of the culture is from China anyhow.
At least Japanese acknowledge that their cultures comes from China. Koreans don’t, which is a major source of contention.
@@letsgowalk i can't comment on the customer service or friendliness, but i tend to agree when you point out that it 'feels like another province of northern China'. correct me if i'm wrong, i think ancient koreans wrote using chinese characters before switching to their present day hangul. i know a smattering of chinese words and korean words and i find that some of them tend to sound similar, like you mention, like just another 'dialect'. also i find that in terms of physical features, the northern chinese tend to look more like koreans whereas the southern chinese look a bit more like vietnamese. honestly if you travel from korea in the north down to malay peninsula in the south crossing china, vietnam and thailand, you would notice that their physical features will gradually 'morph'.
@@hailyrizzo5428 Totally agreed! For example, I myself have Taishanese roots, which are based in southern China near HK, but our ancestry is actually near the Shanghai area, since we migrated down a few hundreds years ago.
So we technically aren’t “southerners,” and have more of a central Chinese look.
My family in old world already mixed. I can claim my 老家 from 4 different provinces, therefore I had the identity problem even before the migration
I studied chinese history and also chinese social trends/politics from 2000 to 2016. I was active on chinese social media for over a decade. I can read/write chinese. I grew up in the US. I think i can confidently said majority of the people here don't know what they are talking about. China is so big and with such a long and complex history. You can't simply categorized it by north and south. From where i am from, the next village speaks a different variation of the same dialect.
People are easily making friends with people who have similar interests and common backgrounds.
Every immigrant community experienced this. David is right, Indians are most divided, that's becuz India is very diverse, the largest ethnic group is Bengali, but only make up 10% of Indian population. Indian is just a nationality. In the US, Telugu and Gujarati are probably the largest.
deverse in China becuz of Han conquest and genocide during Han dynasty. Southern Chinese that wasn't assimilated to Han are related to Southeast Asia people today. Southern China was originally majority population in Southeast Asia today during pre Han dynasty.
My Chinese friends all speak Cantonese and are from Canto speaking areas. I don’t think I’ve ever met one from a Mandarin province.
5:15 This is so fucking true. As someone from a Fujian background, living in Melbourne Australia, there’s a huge amount of Cantonese speaking population over here and I’m sick of them people so patriotic about Cantonese, saying things such as Cantonese sounds very different from Mandarin (To which, it does sound different, but when compared with Fujian dialect/language, Cantonese sounds more like mandarin lmao), it’s the oldest Chinese dialect/language alive, despite the fact it’s not. Research have said Hokkien (Minnan) sounds the most similar to the old/Middle Chinese. And when compared with any other dialect/language in Fujian, Cantonese sounds very similar to mandarin.
it’s prob because their language is oppressed back home
@@gametri-eq6lj Well, that’s the same with all the other Chinese dialects/ language, like Shanghainese, Hokkien, Fuzhounese, Hakka.
@@user-mb3qq3in9z Hong Kong has passed a Mandarin favoring policy as well it may be some sort of resistance
@@gametri-eq6lj the Mandarin favouring policy has happened to everyone in mainland China and Taiwan, and now it’s Hong Kong. The only difference is that mainland China and Taiwan experienced it earlier during he mid 20th century, and that Hong Kong is only experiencing it now.
@@user-mb3qq3in9z well that’s prob the answer to your question they’re probably being more patriotic because of the fact it’s happening to them now
I'm a Hong Kong Canadian, and that should tell you everything you need to know right there.
Respect for all Chinese people, but there's definitely a different vibe and culture based on where you're from and where you grew up. Even between my wife and I, as she's Chinese-Vietnamese.
In Nz, 4th and 5th generation Chinese NZers who don't speak Cantonese at all, after over 100, 120 years, still identify by their original migrant ancestor to NZ 's county. They mainly hang with other similar people, and certainly did not mix much with non-Cantonese NZ. There are no mixed groups. Chinese Malaysians hang out together, Singapore Chinese, etc etc. It's 100% cultural and regional. Cantonese are most clannish people in China (the world?) In New Zealand, northern Chinese and southern Chinese do not mix together. They're just too different. For the Cantonese anything north of Guangdong is the north and are basically foreigners and in the past enemies, and the same was felt by the northerners towards the Cantonese. Totally different to what say. You know, have you heard of the saying birds of a feather flock together. As an old Cantonese Poon Yu man said to me "it's good to be with your own people." This hasn't changed in NZ for 160 years, so why would it change now? Really, the differences are more than the similarities. Cantonese have only identified as Cantonese since about 1900 and have identified as Chinese even shorter time. Identifying as Chinese is a super recent thing. Do Vancouver people identify with Toronto people? Do the 50 states of America identify as their state or as another state. Just accept it FFS.
Yeah, Mainland Chinese people from certain province like to look down on people from other province. For example, there were a lot of migrant workers from Chengdu, and they often looked down as, since the guys tend to work low-paying jobs, while the women work as hostess girls.
Sounds like how chinese are in general... you think all chinese get along? Nah bro... there are regional differences and they kinda side eye each other.
Big facts…they are they worst enemy
How about eastern vs western Chinese people? My parents are Cantonese but my mom came from Macau and my dad was born in Hoiping.
Dialect and diet are the biggest differences
Chinese are one of the most divided ethnic groups in the US. There are wealth, political, skin color, provincial and language barriers between all Chinese in the US. No wonder there are so few Chinese American representatives in the US.
Different dialect gp….different triad gp?
Shanghainese like to think they’re special too, especially with its own dialect and westernized approach
As an indian i relate with this so hard
This is so true and Vietnamese are the same. Many don’t like northerners and say they are dishonest and never keep their promises. I am Vietnamese American and did not understand that for a long time.
I had a Chinese friend that even divided themselves with dialect groups which is beyond ridiculous to me.
All east eurasian/gold people need to unite. Every race is tribal EXCEPT for gold people. East asians, south east asians, north asians, central asians, pacific islanders, and native americans, GOLD UNITY.
All west and east eurasian need unite!
@@Normalman777q Nah, west eurasians are extremely rac.1st towards east eurasians.
@@AspiringSunnah thats just exaggerated, we are all good friends.
@@Normalman777q nice try india
@@AspiringSun ? India? 🇨🇳🇪🇺 no, half brotha dude
There's that divide between East Bay and South Bay.
Ethnically speaking, they are different. Northern Chinese are closely related to Koreans, Mongolians, and former Jurchens.
The history and genetic reports don't match your opinion. I'm not chinese and this is why I'm not biased.
Those ethnic groups are not significant enough in number to change the ethic landscape. Moreover, in the same way that Northern Chinese had some “北胡” in them, Southern Chinese mixed with some “南胡”.
Koreans yes. Mongols no.
@@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj i mentioned that before on social media years ago. some korean dude was very offended by my opinion. he said 'scientific genetic tests' says koreans are nothing like northern chinese
Someone explain how these family associations work???
a lot of these family/regional associations, known as tongs, are basically gambling dens after 10 pm 😂😂😂
I think this is only prevalent amongst chinese who are not born in the US.
Bc in China there is a big regional differences esp between north and south, esp in the pre 2000 days.
I think it’s just part of cuisine customs. Northern and Southern are very different
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Chinese seem to want some sort of hierarchy amongst Chinese. My ex-wife was originally from Hong Kong. She thought that HK Chinese were superior followed by American Chinese, and then Singapore, Taiwan, and then northern mainland Chinese, southern Chinese, and Vietnamese Chinese was the lowest. I would ask her why? She never had a good explanation, she just said that’s the way it is. I was embarrassed a few times by the way that she treated Chinese people that she thought were beneath her. Unfortunately, she’s not the only one who thinks that way. Northern Chinese and Taiwanese also seem to have a superiority chip on their shoulders.
I'm HK Chinese who grew up in Ireland in the 80s where there was hardly any other Chinese. Then I moved to Canada as a teenager and there were tons of Chinese. I thought finally I was among my own people. But instead I experienced prejudice and disdain from many Chinese not from HK. Felt kinda weird, so I started hanging with a multiracial crowd instead.
Northern China is the original of Chinese culture. They despise Southerners as well and that includes HongKong and Taiwan cuz historically they were jungle men compared to the northern Chinese. There is that.
@@LiyueHuman and southerners think northerners aren't very Chinese because of too much mongol and Manchurian blood. 😂
@@alhkcblack9617 they aren’t getting along well anyway because all of them were the result of colonization. China was an empire resulting from colonization in a guised of unifying the land. Chinese is more of a national identity, not an ethnic identity.
That’s just HK Chinese thinking of themselves.
Even Tibetan people do this too.
Native Chinese in China are uniquely able to segregate themselves by region because of the country's vast geography. I don't doubt that Chinese Americans share the same tribal affinities, but the US Chinese population is comparably sparse, with most congregating in urban cities. I think ethnic ties supersedes linguistic ties when two people first meet, because most of us primarily make subconscious judgements based on what we see at face value. And ABCs generally don't have the same deep-seated affection for their motherland as FOBs do, so that's another distinction.
This phenomenon is also observable in the US. The upper middle class (typically in the Midwest) often make a concerted effort to differentiate themselves from those in more impoverished areas, such as residents in the Deep South, for example. There's also a reason Florida is plagued by the running gag that it should be considered its own country or why Alabama is perceived as a hotbed of inbreeding.
Same thing among Indians lol.
Norther and southern China are very different in weather, diet, ethnic, religion….. most westerners see coastal southern Chinese. Norther Chinese are more like Texan, tall, strong, tough..that’s why Great Wall is defending the northern invasion and all the dynasty change occurred by north invading the south.
Thankfully I didn’t see this in my group of friends that mainly consists of South Koreans. Sounds like a nightmare to be separated only because of where your parents are from.
North Chinese and south Chinese and there are two whyte women showing
They are half Chinese.
@@Hamui-kk8mwshould be full
In France, there are majority of chinese are Wenzhou people, and there are some Canto and Teochew but not a lot 😂
some Canto and Teochew are directly or indirectly originated from indochina back then. And France is trendy for Wenzhou people 😅
When Fjs were becoming a thing on 8th Avenue in Brooklyn in the 90's the Cantonese/Toisan people who were here before the FJs were OD hating. It was mainly because of that Chinese country bumpkin mannerism that the FJs brought along with them from China. Also Chinese takeouts in NYC used to be run by Cantos before the FJs started learning and then opening up their own. In 2024 the old school FJs and the Cantos still largely stay within themselves, but the kids hangout and chill with no issues here in Southern Brooklyn.
We had that problem in Singapore a long time ago. LKY told the FJ and the Cantonese to stop speaking their respective languages and start speaking Mandarin. But Singaporeans can still look at their own cuisine and remember which ones have Hokkien origins and which ones have Cantonese origins, although we're no longer able to differentiate what was brought over from China and what was invented after our forefathers got off the boat.
Likewise Hokkiens in the Malay Archipelago are also thought of as being coarse and gangsta.
@@sieteocho The FJs in Singapore are largely Min Nan speakers from southern Fujian, but FJs in America specifically NYC are from Fuzhou. They don't speak Hokkien (min nan), but rather Fuzhounese (min dong). There's not a lot of Hokkien people here in NYC and if they are they're usually Malaysians lol.
They have stereotypes about them as being loud, rude and clearing their throat and spitting everywhere, but also viewed as very hard working and have a lot of money lol.
@@ponuni Fuzhous are rare in Singapore but I know a few of them. Hokkiens are constrasted with Teochews even though we're both Minnan. We Teochews consider ourselves more cultured.
When we saw that hawk tuah girl, we were thinking, "we should make her an honorary Chinese".
And Euro-Americans sometimes show more than a little resentment of each other.
i'm surprised that you guys even know about us wenzhounese, so cultured.
Tibetan, Hmong, Inner Mongolian, and Uyghurs LEAVE the chatroom.
I'm ethnically Chinese and I think that those guys should feel real lucky if they can start calling themselves American / hyphenated Americans / Asian Americans instead of "Chinese".
Can Kazakhs stay? 😂
@@sieteocho none of them called themselves as Chinese since Chinese only means Han people
@@niamtxiv And yet they have to carry a passport called "China". If they ever get issued with one.
@@sieteocho that only make it a national identity. You know darn well Chinese refers to Han ethnicity. Passport is nationality. Even in China, their ID has to indicate what ethnicity they are. So of course, they will not consider themselves as Chinese aka Han because they are not of the Han culture.
Can you guys do a video distinguishing America washed vs white washed? I feel like there aren't too many videos distinguishing these two and the things that might make someone more America washed gets included in whitewashed and it can make people feel ostracized from their Asian communities.
It is simply true, they are different. Language, food, way of living are simply different. Why is that a stereotype? Difference between Cantonese vs Mandarin is greater than English vs German.
Look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Basically, a person thinks they are an expert with only a cursory degree of knowledge.
Yes, I have noticed the provincial separation.
I have a question do you feel more attached to people that has the same Chinese surname as you ?
This clannish tribalism within the different Chinese communities is more representative of what was going down in mainland China…a few decades back, around the time when the parents/grandparents of ABC/CBC left China and China one of the poorest countries in the world.
The improvements in education in the mainland with the use of putonghua as the language of instruction in has made the province you come from (among younger Chinese) not really matter.
Speaking of Cantonese dying in the mainland, recently in my travels around China and Korea (lots of mainlanders there), I hear many referring to Cantonese not as 廣東話 （Guangdong hwa), but rather as 香港話 (Hong Kong hwa).
This means they don’t even associate Guangdong with Cantonese anymore. Sad. 😞
We must fight to keep Cantonese alive! ⚔️
Wtf no one ever refers Cantonese as hong kong hua. Ever.
@@wanderingwalle8726 They do now!
Kids in Canton think Cantonese is inferior because the teachers said so. This is genocide
They don't use card " I am american"
I’m a Ukrainian who lives in Hawaii. I only started to date Asians after 5 years of living there. Never had an exposure to Asian man before that. Now, I’m with my bf who is Vietnamese for over 2 years. After the exposure to the culture I prefer man who are extremely Asian looking and not tall. I think Asian culture is similar to Ukrainian in the family values and house cleanliness. I can’t stand Americans wearing shoes in the house.
Your Chinese dialect matters the most. Chinese dialects are different from region to region. Understanding each other is sometimes difficult you don't understand their dialect.
If your in America, you go transform.😅
chinese from the south are not the same race ethically and culturally than the northern tribes, they have original roots from tribes that migrated from the south seas!
Do you know that a lot of people in southern China are actually migrants from northern China? Most of the 陳family in the southern provinces are the descendents from ancestors that came from northern China
all hans have share dominant han paternal dna, maternal dna however is mixed.
kejia ren han paternal dna 70-90 percent, han maternal dna 30-35 % , chao shan people han paternal dna 70-90 percent, han maternal dna 45-48.5 %
northern chinese too mixed with various northern minoritites, but those minorities are east/northern asian, that is why they look very northern asian
You are the same race
@@Normalman777q yeah same , different sub race maybe but different race no
As a Latino this is crazy. People don't care about stuff like this
Because Latin history only goes to its creation. A few hundred years ago.
Latinos have a long history, especially in Peru, since it is one of the oldest civilizations, but Chinese culture is far older. A lot of it was modernized.
I need to know the name of those pretty ladies on the thumb nail
Filipinos have a divide between Tagalog speakers and Cebuano/Bisaya speakers. ALL filipinos can speak and understand Tagalog with different levels of fluency but a majority of Tagalog speakers ONLY speak and understand Tagalog.
America chinese vs China hinese😂
When I run into a fellow Hawaiian, ho brah… we go!
my roommates from university hate to say that they are Chinese when there are with non-Chinese friends. but when with other Chinese friends, they say they are HONG KONGER. I roll my eyes and stay they still Chinese.
Hong Kong has a history of colonialism, and they're very thankful that the Brits brought civilization to HK. With all the uncivilized behaviors from a lot of mainlanders, I don't blame them.😊
@@sweetmotogal6 reading your comment, I can't even take you seriously😒
@@HoaXinh77 haters gonna hate
I've been hearing Hong Konger have a colonial mindset. What makes you think you're white?
I've been hearing Hong Konger have a colonial mindset. What makes you think you're white?@@sweetmotogal6
Amazing (.sub-) cultural
maze!!
I'm annoyed at Southern Chinese tho. Most of hanjians come from there lmao
True, the stereotype of southern Chinese are known for wuss and backstabbers. Look at Hong Kong and Taiwan. A lot of Hanjians originates from there
Especially Tardwans and Hong Kuckers, those needs to be deported onto a small ice float.
Northern Chinese ethnicity close to Mongolian while Southern Chinese ethnicity close to Viet. However 4000 years ago proto Chinese separated from Tibetans.
more like 9000 years ago
I grew up hearing that Hainanese people can't be trusted from my Fujianese parents 🫢
2 wyt women in the thumbnail lol
You seen that too😂
The left is Eileen Gu, a mix btw Beijing woman and a American white. She was the most recognized winter Olympian star during the 2022 Beijing game. And no idea who the other one is.
the thumb nail looks pretty white washed if not completetly white at all
Y not!! I assume they do! Even in a small country like Korea does it n I'd y y it's split bit now in the South it's a east n west thing. It's y in Korea they got rid of presenting witch part ur from on the license plates to automobile!! We still have beef! N China is a big big country!
Is this an outlier and exclusive to China. On the reverse for instance, Americans from Michigan don’t gravitate together if a population exists in transplants to another Nation State.
China is huge geographically. National unification doesn't erase thousands of years of cultural drift. Each province can be as large in population and land area as a South Korea, a Japan, a Vietnam. Not to mention all the small countries of Europe with populations smaller than 3rd tier chinese cities representing a different nation and culture. It makes zero sense that an entire 1.4 billion people are all the same.
Wait till we absorb Siberia.
Northern Chinese basically looks like Korean more
Look the same to me. And only some china focused person would care.
Why is your thumbnail of two white women when this is a video about China?
0:11 😂 I'm using this line on my date 📅 thanks David 😊 😂
one of first 0.0, thought this was gonna be black women that date asian men video lol and so on and so forth #blackandyellow
I prefer Russian cuisine from Chinese Russian province.