Thanks for this video. Your generosity with information acquired through hard work and the passion you seem to be putting into getting great new technology into everyone's hands is admirable. Pre-ordering the Spiked now and I hope to be able to continue supporting your company in the future.
I posted this on Chris Olsen's video re: Nomex and Kevlar, so I'll copy and paste the majority of this here: They're pretty different! They're both aramid fibers, but one is a para-aramid, and the other is a meta-aramid; not getting too deep into the differences between them, p-aramids are self-arranging in lines molecularly, leading to much higher stiffness and strength compared to m-aramids, which have molecules arranged angularly to one another. To illustrate, Young's modulus is a way to express a materials stiffness. Let's look at the three most common core materials, polypropylene honeycomb, nomex honeycomb, and kevlar honeycomb and compare their compression modulus: Polypropylene honeycomb @ 1" thick sheet, 8mm cell: 11.5 ksi Nomex honeycomb (phenolic resin-stabilized) @ 0.5" thick sheet, 3.175mm cell, 2.5mil wall thickness: 28 ksi Kevlar honeycomb (phenolic resin-stabilized) @ 0.5" thick sheet, 3.175mm cell, 1.8ml wall thickness: 400 ksi *Note that these can vary pretty wildly depending on specifications**; these are examples of commonly sold sheets from a large supplier, however different cell sizes can be specified for the two aramid core materials which can make them *significantly stiffer or, in some cases, slightly less stiff (larger cell size, thinner wall thickness); the trend remains though, with Nomex being about twice as stiff (or more) as polypropylene and kevlar being very significantly stiffer than that. The polypropylene is one of two common sheet specs and the other spec just differs in cell size (the other being a larger cell size) and just results in a ksi of 10.5 instead of 11.5. Note as well: The sheet thickness is just a standardized way to measure modulus and they can be ordered in many different thicknesses. What this means is that the aramid cores could (and likely will) feel very different from one another, with Nomex being closer to polypropylene than to Kevlar. Also note that the only pure Kevlar core paddle that I'm aware of, the ProDrive Ghost, was mentioned in that same Pickleball Studio podcast by Will as being quite probably the most powerful paddle he's hit with, or at least on the level of the most powerful.
I enjoyed hearing your vision for developing new paddles. A price point for everyone is a great idea. I like the paddle with all the cut outs. I am playing lights out with my second slice as the two ounces has made a huge difference in my game. I did not tell anyone that this is a new paddle. I have so much control in block shots down the line and in fire fights. Just from watching video I feel KiwiLabs is a company I want to continue to support when the prototypes are available. Excellent video. It was not too long as your sincerity comes through.
I had a friend get a new Slice and you changed the handle (for the better in my opinion). I love how you continue to tweak things. Interested in that new one.
I had a ProDrive, which has a Kevlar core. I did not find it loud. However, Kevlar does not absorb vibration well. As a result, my hand was vibrating like a pitch fork when I was done playing. First time this ever happened to me. In the long run, this may not be healthy.
Sent yah an email a while ago, was hoping to pick your brain on something’s pertaining your video on starting a company. Appreciate yah and all you do. 😊
Sooo interested in trying the purple paddle! Hope it's not up there in price. Is 3k what gearbox cx14's and cx11's have been using on the exterior (I know the interior is a whole other thing that everyone else)?
Yes I think gearbox and Selkirk have 3k on a few paddles. But I have not done a head to head yet. I played with a cx14 and I can say our new one is a bit softer
I would guess that a paddle with many slots around the perimeter would naturally have a longer dwell time than the same paddle with no slots. I don’t believe the slots are an aerodynamic feature.
Based on what I have seen, that only is a rule that refers to many drilled holes across the center of a paddle. Enough holes to create a texture of sorts.
@@kiwilabspickleball Ah, interesting. I’m intrigued by that paddle. Looks great. I love my Slice….I also got a new ergonomic paddle from Bird Pickleball….which is interesting too. Keep up the good work. I’ll be watching
The "Spike" looks incredible, I can't wait for its debut. Any thought as to when it will be sold so I can start saving my pennies now??? HURRY THE R&D UP!
Where does the texture come from with the 3k carbon fiber? How does it seem to be lasting compared to the T700 peel-ply texture? Nice job, enjoyed the video!
I can’t speak for all 3k paddles but the weaves on the paddle in this video come from the actual construction. The downside is that we needed to add a spray coating layer for grit. Still tinkering with some things… but we’re thinking we will need the spray coating to pass grit tests.
I enjoyed the possibility to use Eva foam. But not sure about using it in layers. I would assume it would be better to use the honeycomb holes filled with Eva foam, like the haxcore foam.
Yes, we’re working through how it will work still. It’s tricky because it’s a rare case where we’re trying to reduce the power of a paddle 😅 filled foam is not out of the question. However, my concern is weight at that point.
Hmmm, maybe this Kevlar thing is going to be the next big thing for paddles. Look forward to the upcoming reviews on it. PS - I think your hot link to Johnkew pickleball is incorrect - YT gives me the 404 Not Found Monkey.
Thanks for this video. Your generosity with information acquired through hard work and the passion you seem to be putting into getting great new technology into everyone's hands is admirable. Pre-ordering the Spiked now and I hope to be able to continue supporting your company in the future.
I posted this on Chris Olsen's video re: Nomex and Kevlar, so I'll copy and paste the majority of this here: They're pretty different! They're both aramid fibers, but one is a para-aramid, and the other is a meta-aramid; not getting too deep into the differences between them, p-aramids are self-arranging in lines molecularly, leading to much higher stiffness and strength compared to m-aramids, which have molecules arranged angularly to one another.
To illustrate, Young's modulus is a way to express a materials stiffness. Let's look at the three most common core materials, polypropylene honeycomb, nomex honeycomb, and kevlar honeycomb and compare their compression modulus:
Polypropylene honeycomb @ 1" thick sheet, 8mm cell: 11.5 ksi
Nomex honeycomb (phenolic resin-stabilized) @ 0.5" thick sheet, 3.175mm cell, 2.5mil wall thickness: 28 ksi
Kevlar honeycomb (phenolic resin-stabilized) @ 0.5" thick sheet, 3.175mm cell, 1.8ml wall thickness: 400 ksi
*Note that these can vary pretty wildly depending on specifications**; these are examples of commonly sold sheets from a large supplier, however different cell sizes can be specified for the two aramid core materials which can make them *significantly stiffer or, in some cases, slightly less stiff (larger cell size, thinner wall thickness); the trend remains though, with Nomex being about twice as stiff (or more) as polypropylene and kevlar being very significantly stiffer than that. The polypropylene is one of two common sheet specs and the other spec just differs in cell size (the other being a larger cell size) and just results in a ksi of 10.5 instead of 11.5. Note as well: The sheet thickness is just a standardized way to measure modulus and they can be ordered in many different thicknesses.
What this means is that the aramid cores could (and likely will) feel very different from one another, with Nomex being closer to polypropylene than to Kevlar. Also note that the only pure Kevlar core paddle that I'm aware of, the ProDrive Ghost, was mentioned in that same Pickleball Studio podcast by Will as being quite probably the most powerful paddle he's hit with, or at least on the level of the most powerful.
I enjoyed hearing your vision for developing new paddles. A price point for everyone is a great idea. I like the paddle with all the cut outs. I am playing lights out with my second slice as the two ounces has made a huge difference in my game. I did not tell anyone that this is a new paddle. I have so much control in block shots down the line and in fire fights. Just from watching video I feel KiwiLabs is a company I want to continue to support when the prototypes are available. Excellent video. It was not too long as your sincerity comes through.
Folks like you are our lifeblood! Thanks!
I had a friend get a new Slice and you changed the handle (for the better in my opinion). I love how you continue to tweak things. Interested in that new one.
Loving the colors.🔥
HUDEF eva Newera paddles are awesome!! Impressive quality and incredible price. I own two of them, and LOVE them!!
I’m a new player and love your channel. I subscribed.
EVA foam seems to absorb some of the impact/stress your arm hand/wrist elbow would normally absorb.
I want that purple and black paddle!
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I've had a kelvar paddles for 7 years. Great on windy days, heavy but no sweet spot.
I love PickleBall! I would love a new PickleBall paddle!! #002
I had a ProDrive, which has a Kevlar core. I did not find it loud. However, Kevlar does not absorb vibration well. As a result, my hand was vibrating like a pitch fork when I was done playing. First time this ever happened to me. In the long run, this may not be healthy.
Sent yah an email a while ago, was hoping to pick your brain on something’s pertaining your video on starting a company. Appreciate yah and all you do. 😊
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@@kiwilabspickleball will do!
Sooo interested in trying the purple paddle! Hope it's not up there in price. Is 3k what gearbox cx14's and cx11's have been using on the exterior (I know the interior is a whole other thing that everyone else)?
Yes I think gearbox and Selkirk have 3k on a few paddles. But I have not done a head to head yet. I played with a cx14 and I can say our new one is a bit softer
Interested.
Kevlar is known for being abrasion resistant. It is not brittle like carbon fiber.
I would guess that a paddle with many slots around the perimeter would naturally have a longer dwell time than the same paddle with no slots. I don’t believe the slots are an aerodynamic feature.
I tried a thermoformed paddle and it felt head heavy and actually hurt my arm. I prefer a softer paddle for sure
Thermoforming did not cause that. It's the balance point of the paddle.
When is the spike aka the purple paddle coming out?
Still need to send it to the USAP… so hoping in about 2-3 months :)
For that purple one, I thought you couldn’t have holes on the hitting surface…..or on the face of the paddle
Based on what I have seen, that only is a rule that refers to many drilled holes across the center of a paddle. Enough holes to create a texture of sorts.
@@kiwilabspickleball Ah, interesting. I’m intrigued by that paddle. Looks great. I love my Slice….I also got a new ergonomic paddle from Bird Pickleball….which is interesting too. Keep up the good work. I’ll be watching
One Shot Aero paddles have similar but smaller holes on the sides and they have been USAP approved since September 2021.
The "Spike" looks incredible, I can't wait for its debut. Any thought as to when it will be sold so I can start saving my pennies now??? HURRY THE R&D UP!
Should be submitting to USAP in about 2/3 weeks :)
But you DO have to bust your arm for the power of a z5. That stupid paddle is the most unwieldy block of garbage I've ever touched.
Get me 'soundless paddle' now. Why isn't that happening? No more battles with noise control neighbours....
We tried one made out of a pillow. But the power was lacking
"Labs" because we engineer our technology within our R&D laboratory. Oh wait....😑
Someday
Where does the texture come from with the 3k carbon fiber? How does it seem to be lasting compared to the T700 peel-ply texture? Nice job, enjoyed the video!
I can’t speak for all 3k paddles but the weaves on the paddle in this video come from the actual construction. The downside is that we needed to add a spray coating layer for grit. Still tinkering with some things… but we’re thinking we will need the spray coating to pass grit tests.
You can also make texture same as the raw carbon fiber on the surface of 3k by peel ply, but that may hard to make the paddle into a edgeless paddle.
I enjoyed the possibility to use Eva foam. But not sure about using it in layers. I would assume it would be better to use the honeycomb holes filled with Eva foam, like the haxcore foam.
Yes, we’re working through how it will work still. It’s tricky because it’s a rare case where we’re trying to reduce the power of a paddle 😅 filled foam is not out of the question. However, my concern is weight at that point.
Hmmm, maybe this Kevlar thing is going to be the next big thing for paddles. Look forward to the upcoming reviews on it. PS - I think your hot link to Johnkew pickleball is incorrect - YT gives me the 404 Not Found Monkey.
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