Face Mill Arbor MT3 - FMB22
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Gday, I picked the face mill up off a mate of mine Trevor, we did some bartering and now I need a morse taper arbor spa I can use this in the Cincinnati milling machine, I did make a mistake and had to start over but that happens sometimes,
I referred to Nigel from Go Create Hobby Machine Shop when I was setting up to cut the taper, please check out Nigels channel, there's plenty of great content top see there, the link is below,
The insert I use are from LiveTools here in Australia, if your looking for an insert to get the ultimate finish have a look at the TNGG insert made by Union Materials,
Go Create Hobby Machine Shop, / gocreatehobbymachineshop
LiveTools, www.google.com...
Check out my Instagram - mattys_workshop
THANX Matty,
Enjoyed that machining.
Thanx for showing the oops.
We all learn from that.
Cheers
Gday, I think it’s important to show mistakes, we all make them, thanks for watching and commenting, cheers
Switching between systems of measurement is a great way to make scrap, at least at first. But, I think it’s useful. Thanks for sharing.
Gday Trevor, I do prefer imperial but its nice to be able to use both, thanks for watching, cheers
That turned out great in the end Matty. Great work as usual, + showing a boo boo is always a bonus.
Regards.
Steve.
Gday Steve, I don’t mind showing my mistakes, someone might not make the same stuff up, Thanks for watching and commenting, Cheers
G'day Matty. Well done, don't scrap the other one, it can be sleeved.
Cheers Peter
Gday Peter, the small black face mill I showed at the start of the video has a slightly smaller bore and the above fitted it spot on, I got lucky, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Hi Matty,
Loved the build mate.
Also loved the Koel bird in the background 🤣🤣🤣
We get one here at Rydalmere every year, and I tease the crap out of it with ‘competing’ calls.
I think they travel down from North Coast/ Queensland.
Anyhoo…. Loved the vid mate 👏👏
Regards
Robert
Gday Robert, the birds have been crazy here lately, doesn’t help when the wife is always feeding them everyday, we have a butcher bird that’s starting to really used to eating out of our hand and the lorikeets get the bread and honey, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Great job Matty and great addition to the shop, 0.05 mm undersized is liveable for normal cutting loads, many are sleeved from 3/4" to 22.00 mm, I still have one.
Definitely missed your vocation 👍.
Coolant is great on a lathe, though it can throw most of it out, normally on the operator 🤦♂️.
Thanks for sharing, regards John
Gday John, the first arbor would of worked but I just wanted it to be that bit better fit, running coolant on the lathe is messy but certainly saves your inserts, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Great work Matty as always :) Love the tip for setting up to cut MT3 taper
Gday Karen, the method for setting the compound works great, Thanks for watching, Cheers
You can always weld up the area that got screwed up and then re-machine it.
Gday, it turned out it fitted the second small face mill I showed at the start the video, it had a slightly small bore, I got lucky there, Thanks for watching, cheers
Excellent job matty, hope you get your cutters soon, great video, keep'um coming..
Gday, the gear cutters have arrived finally, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Nice results. Let us know when you decide how to reuse the 1st arbor. Definitely not scrap. 👍👍😎👍👍
Gday Joel, the small black face mill I showed at the start of the video has a slight smaller bore and it fits the first arbor spot on, I got lucky there mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Wonderful as always Matty, I've machine one down before, and it's never ran exactly true 👍
Gday Ralfy, I did think about machining the R8 arbor but decided against that, more fun making a complete new one mate, Thanks for watching, cheers
Great use of an adjustable parallel. Whatever works is right. Thanks for sharing
Gday Rupert, this was the best way I could come up with, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Great stuff
Nice build and leaves a very nice finish. Thx for the vid.
Gday, the finish the TNGG inserts give is amazing, thanks for watching, cheers
Matty, Weld up the bad part and recut so you have a spare Arbor...... LOL i did not realize the lobes were separate parts i was like that's going to be fun to machine
Gday Paul, the smaller face mill I showed at the start has a slightly smaller bore and it fitted the first arbor nicely, I just have to machine the slots from the drive blocks, thanks for watching and commenting mate, Cheers
Thanks for this video, nice way for me to cap off my Thursday.
Gday, thanks very much for watching and commenting mate, Cheers
NICE JOB MATTY
Thanks very much Kimber, appreciate you watching and commenting mate, cheers
Hello Matty, great video....cheers from Florida, USA, in the middle of a hurricane [cyclone] at the moment....Paul
Gday Paul, I heard there was a hurricane happening there, hope everything is ok, thanks for watching and please take care, cheers
Enjoyed watching and learning, thanks!
Thanks John, appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers
Nothing ever really goes to waste, even mistakes. But I think I would go nuts switching between metric and imperial. I'll stick to bananas. ;) Nice job, Matty.
Gday Greg, I prefer imperial but it’s nice to be able to use both, thanks for watching mate, cheers
eyup Matty
Lovely job, looks great and will perform great, shame about the first one, but these things happen to us all, it;s all part of the fun, you could turn the journal down and shrink a sleeve on then machine it back to standard, you will have two then!! just a thought!!
take care
Kev
Gday Kev, I don’t mind making mistakes like this because there’s something to learn from it, the other face mill I showed (small black one) at the start of the video has a slightly smaller bore and the one I screwed up fits it perfectly, big win, thanks for watching and commenting mate, Cheers
Great result Matty - you must be well chuffed!
Cheers
Andrew
Gday Andrew, I’m really happy with how this turned out, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Well done Matty!
I think you explained taper setup very well. I understood right away. The two gauges are a nice physical thing I can see. Been too long since Trig classes.
Nice result. Appreciate you sharing the little hiccup. That is how I learn.
All the best
Dan
Gday Dan, this method of setting the compound works really good and its not hard to do, I dont mind showing my stuff ups, we all have them days mate, Thanks for watching, Cheers
I did a 28mm Arbor for my mill, in similar fashion - my mess-up was on milling the drive dogs, when the part moved... Was for the tool making competition s couple of years back...
Gday, I hope you manage to save the arbor especially after machining the other features, Cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Yes, I did. There is a bit of a "mark" where I messed it up, but it's perfectly workable.
Excellent build! Should serve you well for years to come.
Thanks very much Denny, appreciate you watching, Cheers
Hi Matty, on the woops one, you can always turn it down to 16 mm to fit a smaller size cutter. Oh BTW Aussee have arbours for $24, but were’s the fun in that! Keep up the great work. Kerrin
Gday Kerrin, the small black face mill I showed at the start of the video ended up ha slightly small bore and fitted the arbor spot on, I got lucky, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Hi Matty, you can always repurpose the scrapped item, has a good morse taper on it.
Gday Willem, the other small face mill I showed at the start of the video fits the arbor I screwed up perfectly, it’s got a slightly smaller bore, thanks for watching, cheers
Don't you just love it when you've done the hard part then fuck up on the much simpler just turning to a diameter! As you say Matty, shit happens lol but to be fair if you were trying to teach yourself to work in metric then at least you have an excuse lol imagine had you been working in Imperial and fucked it up then? What would you have done then lol It turned out well in the end and I'm impressed with the way that was hogging off material. I bought a cheap chink shell mill and that too is total crap.
@@samrodian919 Gday, it always happens on the easy parts, if I wasn’t using metric and screwed it up I’ll would show the mistake, I definitely don’t hide them, I’ve seen many TH-cam machinist never make a mistake but I’ve seen a different piece of material appear and nothing said🤔, thanks for watching, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Not just machinist hobbyists. Cnc router guy used to make well filmed and edited videos, He wouldnt show finish results on one particular vid. because of a botched 3d job witch was a little tricky to pull off. Everyone wants to be a sensation on you tube. Keep at it we all booger up sometimes.
Hi Matty good job on the Arber. J needed to make a B&S #9 taper for a mandrel for my Burke #4 mill, and did not have enough travel in the compound to cut it. So I made a taper attachment for the lathe, it's a little hard to adjust but it works. Cheers
Gday Randy, I have thought Ana taper attachment but I don’t think I’d use it enough to warrant making it, certainly handy to have though, thanks for watching, cheers
Some great satisfying to watch lathe work and the milling,too! Thanks for sharing, Matty top job as usual!
Gday Dudley, thanks very much for watching and commenting mate, Cheers
Hello Matty,
Good work there and pleased that you are getting to grips with the metric system. Although I try and use both imperial and metric, I am now finding anything new I make I tend to do in metric. See you on the next one,
Take care.
Paul,,
Gday Paul, im finally going over to the dark side but its not that easy to change ove, Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Thanks for sharing. It sounds happy, great job.
Gday Sam, I was surprised how quite it was compared to others I’ve heard, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Thankyou, Matty.
Thanks for watching, cheers
Very nice Matty. Enjoy the little tips you always put in your videos. Don't worry about the blooper you what they say about someone who never makes a mistake. He never does anything.
Gday Jim, thanks for the feedback mate, it’s great to hear, I don’t hide my mistakes, we all do it, Thanks for watching, cheers
good job matty
Thanks very much, appreciate you watching and commenting mate, Cheers
Hi Matty, great job mate, I envy your Cinci mate, my mill is totally useless for face milling, 0.01" cut and it sounds like it is tearing itself apart 😭. Keep your first part, you could make a slitting saw arbor or similar out of it. Cheers, Jon
Gday John, I very rarely ever use the mill drill, always the Cincinnati, its been a great machine but I wish it had a quill and little more z height, Thanks for watching mate, cheers
Great content today Matty. I will go check out Nigel's channel and hit the Sub button and mention you sent us. Even though my LeBlonde has a taper attachement, want to do the set up just to learn the technique. Like you mentioned in a previous video a while back, math too is not my cup of tea either. Really glad you shared this with us,,Bear. And best to you, family, and friends over the Holidays and New Year.
Gday Bear, Nigel has a lot of great content, there’s a link to his channel in the description, the technique I used works great and really quite easy to setup, take care there mate, Cheers
Good show!
Thanks very much Paul, cheers
Nice Matty. I wondered how you were going to index that other dog. Good thinking outside the box.
@9:00 you left out the pointy stick 😄
Gday Phil, using the adjustable parallels which I’ve only just got the day before worked a treat, probably many ways to do it but this was the easiest way I could think of, thanks for watching and commenting, cheers
Nice work, props to you for having the nuts to show your mistake/practice run 👍
Gday, I don’t mind sharing my mistakes, it happens to everyone and I’m still amazed at how many creators never admit it happened but a different piece of material is being machined, seen this a few times now, thanks for watching, cheers
Well done mate 👍
Gday Trevor, thanks for watching and commenting mate, cheers
The tool does the job that is where the money is when working, good job Cheers
Gday, definitely does the job nicely mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Gday Mat, I also bought one of those cheap crappy face mills and it would barely cut at all. I think the inserts are not positioned properly, the inside of the insert is higher than outside, so I put it on the Quorn and ground them so the outside of the inserts does the work and it cuts fine. Maybe some better quality inserts would be better.
Gday, I found on the larger face mill i brought the inserts are all on different heights, only 2 were the same, really a complete waste of money, this one I have now is surprisingly good, thanks for watching, cheers
What luck that you'd post this; I need to make pretty much this exact thing for my little machine.
Gday Jim, perfect timing, very easy to make and only takes a couple of hour’s, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Good one Matty ! I'm sure you'll come up with a use for that first test piece. Enjoyed !!
Gday Dean, the small black face mill I showed at the start of the video had a slightly smaller bore and luckily enough it fitted the arbor I screwed up perfectly, I got lucky there, thanks for watching mate, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Sometimes it's better to be luck than good 😉Just kidding
Nice project friend👍👍👍👍
Thanks very much Cheers
Nice job Matty. One of the great things about having your own lathe and mill is the ability to make tools rather than buying them. Thanks for sharing.
Gday Patrick, if I had to buy all the tools I’ve made I don’t think I’d be doing this hobby, thanks for watching, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Here's 3 things you can do with that first arbor you undercut.
1) Bore out its center and turn it into an endmill arbor
2) Face off the spigot and mill in a groove across the face and turn it into a fly cutter.
3) Face off the spigot and machine the pockets for inserts and have yourself another face mill. Just similar to that is put in 3,4,5,6 groves like you did for the drive dogs to take HSS blanks and make a face mill with grindable tips. Remember not everything is best done with carbide inserts.
G'day Matt, really impressive job. thanks for the info for the cutters. i just got to work out exactly which ones i need before ordering.( and waiting to see if yours are good quality or not)😉
Gday Graedon, the gear cutter have turned up now but I’m not sure if I’ll get the gears made for next weeks video, possibly the week after at the stage, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Enjoyed that Matty, good result. I've used that method of alignment alot. It's accurate enough for the majority of the set ups that I do. Cheers Tony
Gday Tony, using the adjustable parallel worked a treat, thanks for watching and commenting mate, Cheers
You should get a piece of 70 mm Square stock and make a MT3 holder to go in the mill vise for indexing parts like that .
Gday, that’s a good idea and very similar to a ER collet blocks, this might have to go on to the “Gotta make list”, thanks for watching, cheers
Hex stock would provide more angles to index. But yeah, a MT3 holder is a good idea.
I have one of those big cheap face mills also. It works "ok" to remove material but the finish is bad. I need to invest in a quality one like you have.
Gday Tom, I was surprised how good this face mill went, the Cincinnati handled it really well, thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Thanks for the video mate. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺
Gday Mark, hope your going well, thanks for watching, cheers
Face mills put shapers on the curb, be careful, G Day mate
Gday Stewart, after having the bigger face mill that’s really no good at all, this face mill surprised me with how much material it can remove in very little time, thanks for watching, cheers
It's another successful tool build, came out really nice. I got myself a shell mill but it's probably too much for my small bench mill.
Gday, the small mills don’t handle the face mills to good, they just don’t have the rigidity sadly, thanks for watching and commenting, Cheers
Hi Matty. I would definitely recommend trying one of the cheapo 'mist' coolant setups like I have. They work almost as well as flood coolant, but a lot less messy. Some people have expressed concern over the mist, but it's more like a spitter, spitting small blobs of coolant and the compressed air does a good job of clearing the chips (when aligned correctly). Flood coolant may be ok for you, but my shed has a wooden floor, so I didn't want it regularly getting wet. 👍
Gday Olly, I do have a mist setup on the small mill that I sorta forgot I had, I don’t use that mill much at all now, I have my compressor in the workshop and it’s now that quite, I really need to relocate outside I think, flood coolant is definitely messy but I do have a concrete floor, I got some thinking to do now mate, thanks for watching, cheers
Great to see you having a go making new tools. I can see your skills vastly improve... Look out Kurt!!!
Gday, that’s the great thing with this hobby, there’s always something to build, thanks for watching, cheers
More good work Matty :) That cutter looks (and sounds) pretty good to me - very even chip load on the inserts. I have a similar pattern cutter with 90mm diameter and while it works quite well it exposes one of the weaknesses of vertical mills - rigidity. Even though my mill is quite a heavy machine with an NT40 spindle, the inserts on the trailing edge of the cutter have a tendency to lightly drag due to the leading edge inserts tipping up slightly under load. I think the cutter you have (~60mm ?) is a more appropriate size for a vertical mill unless it is a really heavy duty unit.
Cheers, Alan.
Gday Alan, I was surprised how well this went and the material it removed, the Cincinnati handled it great, there’s no way I’d try this cutter on the small mill/drill, it just doesn’t have the rigidity, thanks for watching mate, cheers
Another good one Matty.
Thanks for watching mate, Cheers
Nice work mate 👍
Thanks very much Darrell, appreciate you watching and commenting, cheers
I liked 2 things on this video , If you don't have the tool make it , and you showed your mistake and what caused it .👍
Gday Christopher, I believe in showing mistakes, we all make them at some time, lots of TH-cam creators never make a single mistake but you’ll see a different piece of material being machined, thanks for watching and commenting, Cheers
FYI. Matty I’m pleased to have come across to see what you’re up to via Kurtis CEE.
Gday and welcome, thanks very much for checking out the channel, cheers
Just wondering what the cost for the steel was, it was a big chunk, also the cost of buying the arbour, still one thing is you know it’s made to a high standard 👴🏻👍
Gday Terry, the material cost me nothing, it was a second hand from a viewer in town here, material is quite expensive now and I don’t think it’s going to get cheaper anytime soon. Thanks for watching, cheers
Another tool for the collection . Lol , i made a big dog's bollocks on the part i am machining at the moment . Worst part is trying to work out what happened ! 👍
Gday Max, the collection is getting big now, can you save the part your machining or gotta start again, sometimes it’s hard to work out where the mistake happened, thanks for watching mate, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop Part saved . Still buggered if i know what happened ! All in the next video 🍺
Copying morse taper. With a faced off & centre drilled chuck mounted metal. Set a dead center with the taper to be copied between the centre drilled hole (chuck) and the dead centre in the tailstock set into the centre drill hole in the dead center to be copied. Clock the ends of the free rotating dead centre. Place a clock in the tool post loosen the top slide and run the clock along the supported center until the clock registers no deflection. Tighten the topslide which will be at the angle of the morse taper. Or even set the tool post on the loosened topslide so it touches and adjusts itself to the edge the free rotating centre & tighten the topslide.
Gday, ive seen this way done before on YT but never tried it myself yet, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Hi Matty Something I found when doing accurate compond work , is you cannot rely on the side of the compound being parallel to the axis of the compound. Check it out. Cheers John
Gday, I have checked and mines pretty much spot on, cheers
@@MattysWorkshop I thought mine was ok until I checked it with a 1 micron digital dial indicator. I believe a more accurate way to set the cross slide angle is to set up a lathe alignmnet bar between centres and a dial indicator on the compound slide. Remachine a fresh centre in the chuck end so alignmnet is perfect. Use the sin of the angle to set the cross slide. Advance the compound a set distance (say 50mm) and read off the dial indicator movement. Divide this reading by 50mm and you have the sin of the angle. Take the readings close to the chuck just in case the tailstock is slightly out of alignment. Cheers
Beauty
Thanks for watching, cheers
@ 12:35 Chop it down further and sleeve/bush the end. Maybe a Proprietary bush...?
Gday, Mark, it worked out the 1st arbor fitted the small black face mill I showed at the start perfectly, it has a slightly smaller bore, I got lucky mate, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Hi Matty, unfortunate to have buggered the first one but what if you reclamed say 3 mm from the back of the shoulder and turned a register to the correct 22mm diameter to locate the cutter the back of which would still register on the rear wall but be centered on that register. The big bolt down the middle would do the rest. The drive dog mounting holes might have to be set back by 3mm but you'd still have a useable mandrel.
Gday, that’s a good idea to save the arbor, I think I still have it here somewhere, cheers
Scewing up dimentions? Never happes to me... well...
Gday Rustinox, I didn’t think you ever make a mistake, 😂
Would be nice to see you use a toolpost grinder after you creep up on taper dims.
Gday, I have a tool post grinder on the to make list, soon hopefully mate,Thanks for watching, Cheers
If it works... it works.
It worked mate, Cheers
Mckillops bridge?
Certainly was Mckillops bridge
Hi Matty
I am trying to find a tool holder and inserts for the TNGG tool you suggest are the bees knees can you point in the right direction please would be much appreciated.
Dave
Gday David, from memory I got the tool holder off eBay, I’ll see if the numbers are readable on the side and get back to you, Cheers
Could you put a bushing sleeve on the one thats under size?
Gday Garry, the first arbor ended up fitting the small black face mill I showed at the start of the video really nicely, I got lucky, Thanks for watching, Cheers
Hi Matty I have some shaper tools left here after I sold my shapers. I'm not sure how to send you a personal message with my email address to arrange to send them to you if they are of use to you, I can't remember what size tools fitted my Douglas and what fitted the other one I had.
Cheers mate love your work.
Gday Zane, my Email address is ttmrj@telstra.com Cheers
Nice work sir 👏 👍 sale 1st one to China, the stuff you get from them is more sloppy than the little mis measure you had 😉 😄, believe would have cross drilled the "dog" screw holes 🕳 and used the drill bit to lined up second side for easiness, oh you where talking about flood coolant on your lathe, a guy we watch quiet alot is: th-cam.com/users/MrPragmaticLee
he has a stationary coolant tank with multiple outlets going to his lathe, mill and surface grinder, might wanna check him out!
Gday, thats a good idea using the drill to align the opposite and I didn't think of that, i'll check out Mr Lees video, Thanks for watching,Cheers