Which Cuts Better? Single Spindle vs Flexwing Mower, John Deere 2038R, Kubota LX3310 Compact Tractor

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  • @bradmeacham6982
    @bradmeacham6982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One of the things I've always liked about your channel is your ability to show side by side comparisons of different types of implements doing the same job. Thanks! 🤠

  • @Ajt1994
    @Ajt1994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Would like to see the offset flail go through it think that would do a great job

    • @thom71
      @thom71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Came here to make this comment.

    • @djf2
      @djf2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking the same thing

    • @tomkeating65
      @tomkeating65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@djf2 was thinking about a bigger flail mower

    • @rodneycarpenter3253
      @rodneycarpenter3253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Would like to see the flail mower as well.

    • @rfb7117
      @rfb7117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too.....

  • @r.scotthill3082
    @r.scotthill3082 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When I am mowing with a single spindle mower I always turn and go in the opposite direction on the next pass. I also overlap about the width of the closest tire. This takes longer but you get a much cleaner job.

  • @waynebusse6376
    @waynebusse6376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The big difference in cut quality is all about blade tip speed. I have a bush hog brand 8' with two gearboxes and the blades rotate a lot faster than a seven foot single spindle. It does a great job on grass but will miss a lot in something like goldenrod unless you keep the blades very close to the ground.

  • @robryals
    @robryals 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Comparing the cut quality in a field like that is just like hair cuts - what's the difference between a good haircut and a bad haircut ? About 3 days.

    • @PatrickKQ4HBD
      @PatrickKQ4HBD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here I am three days later. 😂

    • @KSN2019
      @KSN2019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Batwing is also 3 times the cost…just rent them

    • @jefffisk8225
      @jefffisk8225 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Uh because nobody rents them.

  • @kivetts04dmax
    @kivetts04dmax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I sure wish I could afford a flex wing like that, that’s a really slick mower!!

    • @controlsplus
      @controlsplus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Myyttgj

    • @kivetts04dmax
      @kivetts04dmax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@controlsplus ???

    • @lancelamoon5294
      @lancelamoon5294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bought the TS10 last year really should’ve got the 12’ but it is a nice mower though.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What tractor are you using to pull it?

    • @lancelamoon5294
      @lancelamoon5294 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim Mahindra 6110C

  • @randyb6496
    @randyb6496 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Really interesting comparison Tim! I used to do that for living and it's hard to do well. Like you said, it is hard to compare on hydrostatic tractors as they lead you to the cut speed they like (and they're never the same!) Anyway, I think the results you're seeing can be traced back to several factors: spindle placement and inch/cut.
    The single spindle is pretty much forced to be centered behind the tractor. The TW26 is running CCW placing the 'forward sweep' portion of the blade directly behind the right tire track.... it is REALLY HARD for a mower to lift/cut tall grass that was mashed forward by the tire with a blade that is travelling forward. The TS10 has smaller, counter-rotating blades allowing the designer some control to try and place the 'back sweep' of the blades in-line with the tire track. I thought the TW26 did a great job cutting the tire track... cut quality will fall off significantly as the blades dull though.
    One of the biggest differences between the two mowers can be traced to the specifications. Both mowers are 'impact' cutters... they need tip speed to work. The multi-spindle has a big advantage: the smaller blade diameter means they have to run higher spindle rpm's to achieve the same tip speed. Using Rhino's published tip speed and assuming a 4 mph ground speed: TW26 = 2.66 in/cut; TS10 = 1.8 in/cut. The bigger mower gets more 'whacks' at the grass as it passes! Great job!

  • @gary4645
    @gary4645 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good demo. Tim at 16:10 you can see from the air the difference. I often wonder this myself and just purchased a LP 3712.

  • @marlingirl1815
    @marlingirl1815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great videos Tim and Christy, We've owned a 5' Rhino for over 10 years and it's been a blessing for maintaining our pine plantation. We cut 3" diameter sweet gum trees as well as mow Bahia grass, sedge, switchgrass and deer food plot fields. Speed, angle and blade sharpening are the main factors in the quality of our results. Naturally the three blade will produce a better finish lawn cut given the tractor tires will be narrower then the cutter deck width. As you said the vacuum created does a better job lifting the target to meet the blade.
    Glad to see you feature a Rhino product. Love that implement. By the way, thank you for the video of greasing the front drive axle of the 1025r lawn tractor. The JD engineer who designed the skid plate on mine, a 2017, aught to have to grease a few universals. I have to to use an extended Lock N Lube connected to a needle adaptor. Not fun.
    God Bless and be well.

  • @Kcolby47
    @Kcolby47 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent comparison Tim and Christy. I’ve noticed in the videos that the flex wing seemed to do a better job, so it was good to see the actual performance. You explained it well. Actually been using my old MX6 this week as well. Blessings!

  • @richpicone7788
    @richpicone7788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The flex wing continues to impress💪🏻. Great video guys!

  • @terrygunter4926
    @terrygunter4926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It would be interesting to know how much the two rear blades overlap the cut of the front middle blade. Do the over lapping areas line up with the tire tracks so that those areas get cut twice? On my single spindle mower it seems one side cuts cleaner than the other and I think it has to do with which way the blade turns in relation the the grass that has been push over by the tractor tires. It appears the blade coming from the front and into the grass that is pushed over or is it coming from the back and not picking the grass back up makes a difference.

    • @rcguymike
      @rcguymike 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was just going to comment that, the tires lay the grass forward, if the 2 outside spindles have the blade tips running the opposite way so it's pushing the grass back up that would prevent the one side from not getting stood back up, that would also explain why the grass gravitates towards the middle

    • @ericvortecmax
      @ericvortecmax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ve noticed that one side cuts better with my frontier 60 inch rough cut. Going backwards it seems to cut better too

    • @PatrickKQ4HBD
      @PatrickKQ4HBD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ericvortecmax but that could also mean you need to sharpen one side.

  • @Mrbink01
    @Mrbink01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I spent summers as a teenager mowing with a JD 4450 and a 18' batwing...you could cover a lot of ground.

  • @kaytod
    @kaytod 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for another great video. I've recently discovered your channel and love it. As for the cut quality, between the flex wing and the single, Your flex wing will contour to the ground better allowing the blades to cut the grass at the given height, not taller where it may be more flexible due to uneven ground. Also, the three spindles should have not only an interlocking overlap but the blade direction should be opposite of each other across the mower. This lifts and cuts into the direction of travel from the trailing edge of the adjoining blade, thus making a cleaner cut on things that may be pushed down or cut on the trailing swing of the blade.
    As an aside note, I believe Land pride makes a 7 foot dual spindle mower that may fit in this category. It would have the roughly the same spindle sizes as the flex wing, but it won't hang to the rear of the tractor as far as a single rotor
    causing ballasting issues as a larger single spindle. Also it is offset about a foot to the right, thus it is even with the left side of the tractor wheels but sticks out over a foot on the right. This might be an interesting compromise as it would allow mowing ditches with the the left of the tractor and not allow the mower to gouge, but has a bit more reach for getting next to or under things with the exposed offset on the right.
    Thank you again, Todd C

  • @ranger6x660
    @ranger6x660 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim I’ve used a JD 4700 gear drive tractor with a MX8 cutter for years. I find it works great because it has a constant speed while mowing. If it’s not cutting all the grass I found I was going to fast and dropped down one gear. I bought a 33R power reverser in February with a MX5 cutter and it does a great job. I just cut a small field that had grass that hadn’t been cut all summer. The grass was 18” to 3’ tall and by going slower (low range in 2nd gear) it did a great job. Great video, thanks for sharing.

  • @DeanCharles123
    @DeanCharles123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The drone shots were excellent! Might have been nice to see the undsides of the mower afterwards to see if there was any damage from the rock/post damage. There are some nice speedometer apps for cell phones, FYI.

    • @keithowen3847
      @keithowen3847 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, I also would like to see the undersides of the various mowers as well as close ups of the mechanics of the various equipment you use.

  • @OhioHillTopsHobbyFarm
    @OhioHillTopsHobbyFarm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video Tim, both mowers have their advantage for sure and it’s nice that you pointed them out! Time is valuable and that flexwing sure was faster and provided a nice finish 🤠. Take care

  • @WDunkin
    @WDunkin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great cinematic quality in this video!! Love the new camera angles and drone usage! As always your comparisons are bar none. Keep up the great work!! I would like to see a flail mower and the boom mower with the ventrac.

  • @haroldphipps3457
    @haroldphipps3457 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was just mowing with single spindle mower today.
    I had been noticing the tire/smashed uncut grass issue as well.
    Excellent video!
    Thank you!

  • @ssnydertrucking1121
    @ssnydertrucking1121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tim, when i was buying my mower i was told a single spindle mower has two cutting surfaces. The three spindle mower has has 6 cutting surfaces so the quality of the cut is better. Price was the big factor in the end for me.

  • @steveandrews2234
    @steveandrews2234 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 4052R running the Rhino flexwing cutter and I love it. I am able to cut my fields in half the time from my 60" cutter.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad to hear! I think the TS10 is a huge step forward for smaller compact tractors!

  • @philsmock4943
    @philsmock4943 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like seeing the comparisons you do between whatever. I don't think I'll ever have a flex wing mower but I do see the benefits of them. Thanks for taking the time to show us these mowers in action.

  • @grgygantz6760
    @grgygantz6760 ปีที่แล้ว

    Used to mow the right away is for DOT up and down the turnpike with a 15 foot batwing. I was dragging it behind a Ford F 5000 tractor and I change my blades twice a week. Mowing in second gear only. Otherwise a supervisor would come by and go. Hey, look behind you. You left a win row. Cool video

  • @farmerguy8579
    @farmerguy8579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought the TS10 because of your reviews from a few videos. I’ve only used it once to mow corn stalks and it worked great. Can’t wait till early spring so I can mow my standing food plots off. I have about 10 acres of them to mow which is why I went with the flex wing. I still have an MX5 Deere rotary cutter for small stuff and harder to get to areas but I can see me falling in love with the TS10. My tractor is the 4066R, and love it as well. Thanks for your videos and your willingness to share the Word with us.

  • @houndsmanone4563
    @houndsmanone4563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim nd Christi, thanks for the video. There's something refreshing about watching a rotary cutter do its cutting action in open field. Yep Tim, I too like a cut field that has little-to-no pop-ups. It's just cleaner looking. Enjoyed a full-watch. Have a fine upcoming week. 👍🏽🙂

  • @jayusher576
    @jayusher576 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I personally put a slight edge on my bush hog blade to keep the cut a lot more consistent.. in the tall thick stuff...👍

  • @kirkbrinkley6990
    @kirkbrinkley6990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I don't know why, but brush hogging with my 1023E and Frontier RC2048 is one of my favorite tractor activities. Its just so satisfying! Keep up the great, informative content.

  • @JohnRobitaille-yq4qt
    @JohnRobitaille-yq4qt ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the videos, I'm 60 and find them very relaxing, need longer videos

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! We have over 1000 episodes! That should keep you busy for awhile!

  • @byronbotts2789
    @byronbotts2789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim, one thing that old farmer's taught me about a single spindle brush hog was to keep the left side Of mow to the cut side and right into the uncut side... it works to keep stubble from coming back up... with the blades going counterclockwise that helps pull up the stubble on the left side where the tire push it down from the pass before...

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      …and overlap enough to catch that previous track. Unfortunately, that costs a tremendous amount of cutting width.

  • @stevensievert8375
    @stevensievert8375 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Bad Boy 6' brush cutter and the only stuff it leaves behind is sweet gum tree stalks when mowing 2-3' tall field. When mowing just grass up to a foot tall it is pretty consistent in not leaving any standing grass. Usually when I hit a really thick spot it may not cut completely where the tires are. I have no ballast or weights on my tractor, 2638 Mahindra.

  • @jamesberg3106
    @jamesberg3106 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a single and overlap a bit more than you do. That way my left front tire is not laying down uncut grass. Thank you so much for doing these comparisons. An irony that I have is a few before you got the 5075e, my dealer cajoled me into climbing in one. Oh my is that nice. The 3 & 4 cabs are the same size and I just don’t fit. And I don’t have enough work to justify a 5 and it just looks like a sweet ride.

  • @terrygroce1594
    @terrygroce1594 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mowing with either has its positive and negative uses. Overall I like the flex wing mower over the six foot mower. Again I think use is what would determine which is better for the job.
    Keep the videos coming.
    Also my hats off to video process. Well do with the movement and close ups. JOb well done.

  • @MustangsTrainsMowers
    @MustangsTrainsMowers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the late 90’s or 2000’s a John Deere dealership that I believe was in Cottage Grove Minnesota started making a rear left side offset wing mower for the JD compact tractors using mostly JD parts. I believe it was a 72” cut. It was a 3pt mount and driven by the rear pto. When not used it folded upwards. One lawn service in town had one on what I think was a JD 850 or 950 running it while also running a 60” or 72” belley mower. I watched it mow a local business lawn once and it mowed a lot of grass fairly fast. JD eventually told the dealer to stop making them.

  • @billvandorn5332
    @billvandorn5332 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You said you tip the front down.
    I was taught to have the front raised higher than the back there by cutting at two hights and easing some strain on the equipment while getting a better result

  • @marcth37
    @marcth37 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have worked in the summer of of 2000 for a landscape contractor doing vacant fields with an old MF255 amd a Woods 6 ft mower;the hp were there but i had to put the tires on one side out of the grass to avoid flatten it!After one week i said to the boss:''Were gonna have to sharpen the blades each 2 days or they wont cut1'' he said ''good idea!'' so i did sharpen them every 2 days!

  • @Not_So_Weird_in_Austin
    @Not_So_Weird_in_Austin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know that smaller cutting decks for lawn care use computer simulation to design the grass movement and flow after being cut and while clippings swirl inside deck for optimum design. This could be a topic for TTWT the engineering going into tractor design.

    • @PatrickKQ4HBD
      @PatrickKQ4HBD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he did software, not hardware. 😜

  • @XaViEr3520
    @XaViEr3520 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been binge watching tractor videos and was winding down and you upload!!!! I have time for one more!!!

  • @ATR-42
    @ATR-42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video Tim! These videos are so helpful to learn operating techniques, making purchase choices and to see the capability of these tractors. I love seeing the 2038R vs the LX3310 too. thank you for your channel

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for your encouraging comment!
      We’re trying to be a bit more subtle with the LX vs 2038r comparison. However, if folks are watching closely, this episode should have been a BIG one! The 2038r handles this mower nicely. The LX…well…not so much.

  • @ericfluty3257
    @ericfluty3257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the channel and all the info you give us! Keep up the good work!

  • @jbob1274
    @jbob1274 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic. Like you I don't like seeing winrows or tire tracks. I would love to see a wooded area with the flex wing. Just to see if there is something other than maneuverability that would be a con.

  • @JAB1978
    @JAB1978 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Def enjoyed the comparison, and love the bat wing cut but that cut is a $12-$15k mower vs $3-$4k and I think is worth the money but entry level I'd do a single spindle until I got the extra $$ or work for the 10'. Great video, keep em coming

  • @PurpleCollarLife
    @PurpleCollarLife 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job with both. It's impressive that the Deere 2 series can operate that 3 blade cutter.

  • @garycorrick
    @garycorrick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Three shorter blades combined to make a 10 foot mower will always cut better than one blade on a six foot mower. For me the problem is price besides that fact that my old Kubota L3130 doesn't have the power to handle a flex wing mower. Thanks for the comparison. Good video.

  • @johngrossbohlin7582
    @johngrossbohlin7582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another variable to consider is the distance between the tractor tires and the spindle centers/blade tips. Perhaps the three spindle mower's greater distance is allowing the compressed grass to spring up more before the blades hit than with the single blade mower. It might be interesting to see some footage comparing the two from that perspective... though the control and measurement of the comparison would probably be tricky to work out! Maybe get someone with a high speed camera involved?

  • @imtiazali935
    @imtiazali935 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey tim. i think where the tractor wheel passes, the mid blade and the side blade both cut the grass in 2 different direction and that is why you get that clean cut. just a thought.

  • @crslyrn
    @crslyrn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for taking the time to compare & go over some of the plus/minus points on the two types of mower. I'm a little shocked the compact tractor that you're using is big enough horse power wise to efficiently run a 10' mower. Thanks for sharing. Take care.

  • @happyrocklawncareandsnowre2141
    @happyrocklawncareandsnowre2141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would like to see the ventrack tough cut comparison as well against the other two, please.

  • @rickeyburke2596
    @rickeyburke2596 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting, ever consider using a sickle bar in conjunction with either mower. I saw this over in Europe. The sickle bar was mounted on the front of the tractor.

  • @theharrellhomestead7636
    @theharrellhomestead7636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Something else to think about, a 3pt mounted mower works better in rough terrain, the mower can be raised higher to clear obstacles, or if you get in a muddy spot, you can raise it up, where a pull type mower is dead weight and can sink in the mud causing the tractor pulling it to get stuck. Both are still nice mowers though and this was a neat comparison!

  • @ta65mail
    @ta65mail 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the single spindle works better if you take 2/3 or 1/2 passes when the grass gets that high. Great info.Thanks.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea, I agree…but it would take forever to get the job done!

  • @vomlande9112
    @vomlande9112 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tim, I User a Front mower at my Kubota stv. It is so much nicer visibilitie and handling at smaler areas.

  • @cecilb5944
    @cecilb5944 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed the comparison as always well done. I also like the fact that you talked about how brush hugs do not do a very good job. Thinking What could I have done to make this better.

  • @Malakie
    @Malakie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Suggestion, buy some little flags like they use for power lines underground etc, and mark stumps or rocks so you don't hit them or for reference when you later come back to remove them. As for the cut stuff, what I do is a week after cutting long stuff like what you have here, I come in an do it again to mulch it down better.. Takes extra time and fuel but the only other real option is to buy a rake and bailer to get it out of there otherwise. BTW, finally upgraded from the 1023e to the 2032r.. what a difference. Especially with my stump grinder and grapple.

  • @lcee6592
    @lcee6592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good comparison indeed! Curious what (if any) difference in spindle speed between the two mowers with same pto rpm. BTW maybe climb up that tower and mount a transmitter antenna to start your own TTWT broadcasting network!!

  • @jamesperguson
    @jamesperguson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonder if the flex wing blades being further back from the tractor and more lift has something to do with the better cut. I would sure love to have one for my Farmall 45 , I really enjoy your all’s videos. Thanks for all you do.

    • @derekdreke4990
      @derekdreke4990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It probably helps on the flex wing

  • @dmorgan28
    @dmorgan28 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve had 6’ and 8’ bush hog single spindles but this 10’ JD with 3 spindles cuts better than either of the other ones. I’m very happy with it. The only thing is it’s a pull behind and the other 2 were 3 point hookups. But I’ve learned how to back the 10’ and it works very well. Thanks for a great video 👍👍👍❤️

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it does take some practice backing it!

    • @chrismalchoff7552
      @chrismalchoff7552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a very old 3 spindle tilleston pull behind. I got stuck in mud one too many times, so I thought and thought and took the plunge. I cut off the pull assembly and large back tired. Made it into a 3 point lift with small pivot wheels in the back. Cost almost nothing and absolutely works great.

  • @hanshaw1974
    @hanshaw1974 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use my lx3310 and 5 foot mower at 8500 feet mowing sage brush that is 3-5 feet tall. That is a real work out for a LX.

  • @earlyriser8998
    @earlyriser8998 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you make a great case for the flex wing. I bought a 6 foot mower for my 60 Hp tractor and a have regretted not spending the extra $$ on a flex wing every time.
    But I might spend the $$ on an offset flail mower instead as that gives me a flexibility that I could really use.

  • @austinhayes3901
    @austinhayes3901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love to see a comparison of a single, the flex wing, and a flail mower

  • @sassafrasvalley1939
    @sassafrasvalley1939 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My BX23s is mated with a 48" Landpride mower. (You can see it on my ''Blade Sharpening Mentor' video.) It does just as you described for your single spindle mower when the blades are sharp. When they are dull, it leaves a lot more stubble and tends to eject unchopped piles of trimmings.
    It doesn't cut cleanly to the outside edges of the deck either. I have to overlap cuts by at least 4". Otherwise it lays the grass down and it won't pop up on the next pass unless you reverse travel direction on each cut. That might be an interesting comparison too. What happens if you spiral cut a field vs alternate strip cut it? When a field is cut by continuously traveling in the same direction (spiraling in from the outer perimeter) I always see spring up, at the laps. When cut with reverse direction on each pass there is much less of it.
    A question for you. Did both sets of blades have the same lift configuration at the tips? Or were they flat blades? (Flat blades are made for brush clearing. Lift blades are made for meadow/pasture mowing.)

  • @PatrickKQ4HBD
    @PatrickKQ4HBD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you demonstrate loading and unloading that tractor and flexwing from a trailer?

  • @markmccoy1304
    @markmccoy1304 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To me both are nice. I would take either. What blows my mind is that little 2038 pulling that 3 Blade Mower and having enough power to turn it.

  • @pc5569
    @pc5569 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed the comparison Tim. Both are very capable.

  • @dwayneloftice2326
    @dwayneloftice2326 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had a 10', twin spindle drawbar towed mower for many years. It was not a flex wing design which I found did some scalping of uneven ground in sloped areas. It would send gravel flying in every direction when bottomed out. Can you say, "INCOMING!" (with your head down to the steering wheel and legs pointed straight out). However, it did an excellent job over my 60 acres of mowing for 30+ years. With 10' of cut and just two spindles, the blades were very long and HEAVY at near 1" of thickness.

  • @americasdream1265
    @americasdream1265 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim as I told you the last time you had your batwing hooked to the Kubota I mowed interstate highways for several years in Indiana. The Bush Hog batwings I used on the highways and on the farm was 15 foot and they do lift the grass. You can also buy lift blades for them and you will be able to tell they are lift blades by the amount of flair they have on the back side of the blades. All blades will have some flair but you will notice it more on the lift blades. Bush Hog will tell you they cause a vacumn that helps lift the grass. To answer a question from the comments that I have been reading the side blades overlap the center blades very little and as the blades wear down and round off at the most they might overlap 1/8 of a inch. Hope to meet you some time at the Farm Equipment Auction in Monrovia Tim. I couldn't make it to the farm progress show in Decatur because I am a grain farmer and I have been getting things ready to go to start harvesting corn around the third week in September.

  • @traviseggl3794
    @traviseggl3794 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like a good location to test some sprayers out....

  • @rtzapper
    @rtzapper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tim enjoyed meeting you and seeing your family at the Farm Progress Show. I liked talking to you about your flail mower and the wear on your blades. I will be purchasing a flail mower but still looking for a dealer near me for Maschio(near Danville IL). Thanks for your insight and keep on making great videos.

  • @garywaxler7866
    @garywaxler7866 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A flexwing mower is a farmer's best friend among many other things. We have a 15' 3 spindle mower on the farm & a 7' 3-pt single spindle mower that I got @ the start of the year. The 7' does best if i'm going in 1st or 2nd gear. & it gets bogged down depending on how high or low in have the 3-pt.

  • @charleswilliams8296
    @charleswilliams8296 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I get so aggravated when that row pops back up from the tire. Makes me want to go back over again.

  • @garycrumrine9538
    @garycrumrine9538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I noticed the center blade seems to be leaving more tall shoots than the two outboard blades. Any thoughts on why? I am guessing that the two ouboard blades are able to float on the terrain, while the center is set more by the operator/tractor.

  • @markgibson3050
    @markgibson3050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2 things missing from this comparison; blade tip speed & blade type (lift or non-lift)

  • @nohand322
    @nohand322 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video Tim I would have sharpen the blades as best as I could on both and then did the test. It's all about the Blades

  • @dondemarcus7937
    @dondemarcus7937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very good video Tim. I use a 6ft mower behind a small tractor too. One thing I see is maybe a difference between a carry type mower versus the drawbar mower. I have noticed the mower will go up and down with the tractor going over hills and dips where the drawbar mower stays relatively flat as it is being pulled. Maybe some differences in the cut there. What do you think?

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Could be. Good observation!

    • @mitchp350
      @mitchp350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are correct.
      I have a 6ft 3 pt Woods, and I have noticed when the tractor dips into a little hollow it seems to scalp, but if the tractor goes over something it creates a raised cut, as the mower is lifted.
      I have an old David Brown 990 58ish HP and am having a bit of trouble getting it set up just right. I am thinking a pull type would be a better over all choice, but with that comes other aspects of set up.

  • @glenbreaks5448
    @glenbreaks5448 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have a 6' Landpride single blade. It cuts much the same as your Rhino, not clean in the tire area.
    I helped our neighbour with the purchase and setup of a 2 year old 4' Landpride for her 1025r. I sharpened it and expected a reasonable but not great cut, similar to our 6' on the 2440.
    To my surprise the 4' left things looking like a golf course. The cut was perfect.
    But oh so slow , out there bouncing around for 2 days to mow 6 acres.

  • @tractorjeff425
    @tractorjeff425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Agreed. Seeing the grass come up in the tire tracks after you’ve cut it bothers me too. I also don’t know if it bothers the customers. I would assume it bothers some, but not all. If they call you back, I guess it didn’t bother them that much, if it did. 😉

  • @iamdrako
    @iamdrako 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Tractor Time with Tim
    I've got a 5' fixed for my 3046. I've noticed that the cut quality really drops if I go over 3/3.5 mph. I also need to keep my blades sharp. I mow a hay field I'm currently not using. I also use it to cut heavy brush. I'm still clearing large parts of my homestead. I originally went with the single 5' at the recommendation of the dealer. Now that I have it, I would like a bigger bush hog. The tractor easily runs it without issues. I am torn with the flexwing style of mower though. Right now, I want the durability of the single spindle. Maybe in the future, I will get one of those nice flexwings to maintain my property in less time.
    I did barrow a neighbors bush hog awhile back. His is a single 7'. It definitely cleans up behind the tires better, but I needed to go even slower than my 5'. I'm curious if it has something to do with the spindle style and speed. I'm guessing that his spindle turns at a slower RPM in order to have the cutter speed the same. In other words, a 7' tire would spin at a lower RPM than a 5' tire if both were going 55mph. After having used his, I think mine does a better job.
    I don't really have a way to test different cutter sizes. I am curious though if it makes a difference. I would be willing to donate $10 to the cause if you could test side by side a 5/6/7 bush hog respectively. Knowing that speed makes a big difference in cut quality with my bush hog, I would want to see it at different speeds that are measured.
    Having used that flexwing in numerous situations, do you think it durable enough to be used to cut serious overgrown brush/small trees?
    I'm also curious about a belly deck vs pull behind. I'm considering trading my 3046 for a 4066. There's not belly deck option for the 4series tractors I'm aware of. I use my 3046 to mow most of my lawn. While I try to keep my lawn well trimmed, I don't care as much about appearance as I do practicality and ease of use.
    You stay safe out there!

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think your 3046r would handle the 10’ TS10 just fine. Yes, it will cut larger brush. Rated at 2” I think.

    • @iamdrako
      @iamdrako 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim It always amazes me what a bush hog will take down without damaging itself.

  • @geneshippers5493
    @geneshippers5493 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy your video. I find my multi spindle mower does a better job on the tire tracks.

  • @ElkCreekAcres
    @ElkCreekAcres 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim, I agree with you on all of this, there is simply no comparison between the two. But again, the price point is tough to overcome. What we do with our single spindle rotary cutters is run the front about an inch higher than the rear, I know, I've gotten some push back from saying that. But it really improves the cut quality of the single spindle cutters to a very noticeable degree. You should break away from the "traditional" setup and give it a try at least once. It cuts better, and mulches the material much better, though it does require HP to run them like that. And that stemmy stuff is hard with any mower, even my flail will leave some of that stuff, not as much as my rotary cutter, but leaves some nonetheless.

  • @davidcharles3131
    @davidcharles3131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do blades on flex mower all turn in same direction, I notice right side strip more prevalent on single spindle. Does this have to do with direction of rotation of blades?

  • @davidbalvin8112
    @davidbalvin8112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My flex wing does a better job than my 3 point too, just can't get in tight spots with it.
    I use a light bar and GPS for monitoring ground speed and overlap.

  • @markbaker6760
    @markbaker6760 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video. I was wondering if I could pull a brush hog that big.

  • @terrysurface8663
    @terrysurface8663 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about a video on how to adjust the single on a 3 pt hitch, and how to maintain the blades? Thanks and enjoy your Sunday. From Virginia, Cheers!

  • @garywaxler7866
    @garywaxler7866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've found that if your having issues with weeds standing back up then you need to go slower. Going slower means they have a better chance standing up & getting cut. I'd rather go slower & get a good cut the first time than go fast & have to make multiple cuts.

  • @robertginther9248
    @robertginther9248 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It always amazes me why people with large mower decks don't keep the blades sharp. I finish mow with a tiny little John Deere 320 with a 24 hp. Kawasaki & a 3 blade deck. (not the same or even close I know). I have 3 sets of blades & change them often so that I always have a sharp clean cut. It takes so much LESS hp. to mow thick grass with sharp blades & gives a great cut. Always balance my blades with an Anderson balancer so that the deck is very smooth when engaged. Love your content & presentation. God Bless.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rotary Brush mower blades are not designed to run sharp. If kept sharp, they will soon be destroyed by rocks and trees. Blunt blades work better overall

    • @tylermallory2504
      @tylermallory2504 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bush hog type mowers are more like a giant weed whacker than a mower so they don't really need super sharp blades.

  • @robertbailie1873
    @robertbailie1873 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably help if you slowed down a little and then leveled the mower by shortening GN the top link

  • @killerar15
    @killerar15 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My kioti tractor with it's 60" finish mower deck can handle 6'+ weeds and grass but it still has some spring back.

  • @bobpowers9862
    @bobpowers9862 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see a difference you only implied, between the two. The single-spindle will "float" behind the tractor, and swing wide I would think, as you make turns, like a long overhang on a large RV rig. Whereas the flexwing, trails behind exactly like a trailer does behind a pickup. This would affect how you mow the turns/ends. Of course-- back in the day, when I was mowing dad's stuff, with an even smaller Isiki (and a 5 foot single spindle), I'd just cut the ends first, then do the middle, ignoring the turn-arounds (which I'd already cut). Nice comparison video.

  • @seansysig
    @seansysig 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Skidsteer with HiFlow and front brush cutter is the only implement combination that minimizes the standing remnants.

  • @BobsOutdoorActivities
    @BobsOutdoorActivities 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, good comparison. Oh very good drone footage and over video!! Knowing what I have learned from your channel I think I would for sure. buy the Rhino single spindle brush hog vs the JD Frontier.

  • @bjenkins803
    @bjenkins803 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I use a single five foot cutter the grass is generally thrown to one side and close to uncut grass. After I make a round or lap I turn around and for my next lap and it recuts most of the previous lap and it lays it down nicely. However the back of my cutter is more open than that Rhino. I use a Howse cutter. It also has narrow blades which work best in grass and light brush. When I go cut heavy brush and small trees I use the other cutter with wide blades.

  • @tb91506
    @tb91506 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For sure multi spindle mowers leave a better quality cut, when (if ever) my current bushhog 285 wears out I will be on the market for one.

  • @FF5754
    @FF5754 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a Kubota M7040 4x4 manual transmission. My cutter is a Landpride RC2512. My machine can handle a 15 foot no problem but, when in thick damp 4 or 5 foot tall brush, that 15 foot gives the tractor a hard day. The 12 foot runs just fine and I can be in 4 low or 1 high and it cuts good. The 15 foot does do a better job because the stuff that pops up on the 12 footer can't on the 15 footer. Personally, I will never own a hydrostatic tractor. You lose PTO horse power and driving it verse just riding in it makes it more fun for me. For this 5 acres, if get a larger tractor. I have 20 acres for the hay parcel and it take about 6 hours or mowing when it's about 3 to 4 feet high on the off season.

  • @johnnybarbar7435
    @johnnybarbar7435 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Moisture and high lift vs low lift blades make a big difference in cut quality in the tire tracks. Also, a single spindle will always have one track cut against the lay down and one with the lay down. A flex will vary depending on tractor and mower width but will usually cut against or perpendicular to the laydown.

  • @RCPSU4
    @RCPSU4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Winner of cut quality is the TS10 easily. After seeing this, I had to go back and find the episode from last year when you did the compare/contrast of the two types of cutters. I can see where the TS10 outperforms the TW26. The TW26 can trim better being it's 3pt mounted though. Biggest thing for me is having both tractors with hydrostatic transmissions.

  • @tomperley8399
    @tomperley8399 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with one of the previous posters, it would be nice to see what has sprung back up after a day or two. Having used both 3-point and trailer style single spindle mowers, I always felt that the trailer style did a little better job. I think that having the extra 3 or 4 foot spacing between the tractor and the mower allows the material to spring back up before the blades get to it. Now you have me curious whether there is a difference. But as you pointed out' the 3-point is much more maneuverable. Great video, and I really like the bat wing.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We intended to show it 24 hours later…but it rained all day yesterday…no chance to get decent video of it. The single spindle looks significantly worse now.

  • @frijoli9579
    @frijoli9579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Let's see the Flail mover versus the Flexwing!

  • @jonathanfrecking1210
    @jonathanfrecking1210 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've got an 8ft 3pt bush hog mower that would work the snot out of your 5075e. It's a dual spindle too.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      …or I can just run the 10’ on it…which it handles with ease :-)

  • @keithowen3847
    @keithowen3847 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you give us a rundown on the drone you use. Cristy does an excellent job with it.

  • @chrissheathewoodguy
    @chrissheathewoodguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what rmp are you running these mowers at? it seems low by sound. i have two options i mow with a 5205 jd and a 2 wheel 2040 with a 8 ft brush hog. considering a new mower as ours has quite a bit of issues. the bat wing should be a nice idea. thoughts on a 10 ft model for those models?

  • @johnpaugh1607
    @johnpaugh1607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about a flail mower Tim