From Canada here. Explain to me the logic of privatization of a regulatory authority, how does that work?? What is the point of government if it farm out its responsibility for protecting the common good. What a daft idea.
Shi Yuan .....Total corruption! Profits over people! As always! These government contracts should never have been privatised! And building and fire regulations should be left to government inspectors too! Do not privatise these industries! It destroys public safety! People cut corners for profit! Fire officers should issue safety certificates!!
BRE and the KCTMO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. The Kensington and Chelsea Borough is THE RICHEST IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. That means the Kensington and chelsea council recieves the most in taxes and therefore the most funding to spend on managing housing. Grenfell was in poor condition for many many years, before the cladding was even present, but even with all the complaints, they apparently couldn't afford to fund it? This is a case of mass negligence by the KCTMO and they MUST be held accountable.
Sprinkler systems should be mandatory in all buildings & condominiums , they are heat activated & turn on one at a time which keeps the fire contained to whichever unit it originated in. Exterior fires can be more hazardous however this is why we build with fire resistant materials , concrete etc. All current & future projects should require adequate sprinkler systems and older existing buildings need to be retrofitted with sprinklers too or else it's time to rip them down & rebuild so they can live up to today's standards! They gotta raise the bar citizens lives depend on it! Sprinkler systems should be the "bare minimum"
Sprinklers would have done nothing at a fire like Grenfel, since of the 400 required heads, their would have only been enough water to power about 20 of them. This is based on the idea that fires only start in apartments one at a time. Even if huge pipework was installed, their is neither enough water or electricity in the area to operate them. Although they MAY have subdued the initial fire before the cladding caught alight, more than 90% of cladding fires start OUTSIDE the building. Even blaming the cladding was ignoring the fact that it was completely incorrectly installed, with NONE of the 400+ fire separation barriers fitted. The REAL problem lies in government austerity, where district surveyors were virtually abolished, working on paperwork without site inspections. This allowed developers to appoint their own surveyors who were neither competent or had the necessary experience to approve work on public buildings. The truth is as simple at that, but no one is willing to stand up and admit it. PS, I am a retired chartered engineer, with 45 years experience in the design of theatres, cinemas and film studios. We never see a life threatening fire in these types of buildings, simply because they cannot happen. Grenfel became a national disgrace following it's renovation, but no one has the guts to publish the truth. All the talk about sprinklers and fire alarms is simply a red herring to muddy the waters. Fire alarm in large buildings can be lethal, causing panic, leading to injury and people ending up trapped in overloaded lifts within the fire building. This can all be triggered by someone burning the toast. When evacuation becomes necessary, it needs to be controlled and supervised by competent people. Fire alarms in large public buildings are SILENT, allowing investigation and on rare occasions people moved to a safer location.
the design of the building worked before they added the cladding, the design made it so if there was a fire on one of the floors it would be contained until fire brigade arrive to put it out. when they added the cladding if there was fire and the fire was able to spread to the cladding the flames would shoot up the air space between the cladding and the walls because of the draft
After the fire at Grenfell Tower; the Grenfell Victims Association had three vans mounted with L.E.D billboards drove around London with these messages: "Seventy-one dead" "And still no arrests" "How come?" Much like in the movie "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri."
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
If the UK doesn't do something about the building regulations and fire safety now then another Grenfell will happen. It will just be a matter of time before another Grenfell happens. Are the 70 people that died in Grenfell not enough to prompt change? How many more people must die before change is made? The UK is out of step with fire safety compared to the rest of the world. To be honest. I say stuff the whole eco friendly drive if it means that people will be safe in the buildings that they live in then it is worth sacrificing the eco drive to save the lives of people.
Its worse than this, they knew cladding was a massive fire risk in the early 80s! When the various councils around the country where finding out how poorly these large blocks and towers had been built they had to start tearing them down or carrying out remedial work. The cladding was identified with all sorts of risks, making the buildings rot internally because it kept rain inside, it covered up structural problems and was a fire risk. More than 30 years before they covered Grenfell in it councils knew it was risky.
Why would BRE bosses be in jail? BRE is an accredited testing organisation. They carry out the tests that are specified in the standards. If the tests or standards are no good, then it is BSI who must revise them. BRE may assist, however their function is to carry out the tests as specified in the BSI standard.
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
"hmm, how are we gonna meet our goal for the climate thing?" "how about moving away from oil and fossil fuels" "what, no, terrible idea. we should start putting that stuff on buildings, actually!"
Sprinklers, fire alarms and other stuff??? How about taking away the possible cause of fire in the first place instead of having reactionary measures in place!!!
the design of the building isnt the problem its the cladding that was the problem. the design of the building worked before they added the cladding, the design made it so if there was a fire on one of the floors it would be contained until fire brigade arrive to put it out. when they added the cladding if there was fire and the fire was able to spread to the cladding the flames would shoot up the air space between the cladding and the walls because of the draft
Hey that’s like Vauxhall’s zafira B that one went up in flames cause it had an overloaded resistor component which glew like a lightbulb and caught the cheap plastic interior on fire
BRUFMA had a leading member called Rob Warren who was technical director at Celotex who made the products that were bought by the government and were put on Grenfell. I smell a massive conflict of interest.
Hayden Harris Total corruption! Profits over people! As always! These government contracts should never have been privatised! And building and fire regulations should be left to government inspectors too! Do not privatise these industries! It destroys public safety! People cut corners for profit! Fire officers should issue safety certificates!!
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
@@TeflonDonz it is your right. My friend is currently in Hammersmith hospital and every time I visit him I drive past it on the westway. It’s a sobering sight.
Too many coincidences isn't there. The extracter on the roof that should have being working would have kept the stairway clear of smoke so residents could get out. It didn't turn on....
Any fool can see these panels were, and those still in existence still are, highly flammable - the manufacturer had a responsibility to test and give sufficient warnings regarding their limitations and suitability- at the very least it should have stated it was a product unsuitable for any domestic development or development over 4 stories. It’s unreasonable to expect a fire safety engineer or architect (who have been effectively hoodwinked ) into believing this product had a fire rating of 0 based only on its outer skin. After 3 years of questioning everyone apart from the manufacturer we seem to be getting nowhere very slowly- implying blame and going into finite detail in areas which had no real bearing on the events or would have made no difference to the outcome- yes it’s of interest but time to resolve this quickly before it happens again is paramount. If this building were a plane ✈️ it would have been sorted within 12 months!! It’s sickening that 72 people are dead and it was inferred the fire brigade was some how at fault when in fact they were on the scene within 6 minutes and facing a nightmare inferno 15 minutes later !! 15 minutes the whole building was ablaze!! - These panel’s are deadly - highly flammable and toxic and should NEVER have been given any fire rating. It’s a total disgrace to the British Standards and/or any standard (EU) and all they stand for. The regulators should have be on the stand along with the manufacturer FIRST!!!! - this is where the criminal charges and justice is needed!!!! 72 dead- 3 years and confusion- this should have been finished within 12 months with those responsible from both The manufacturer and regulator serving jail terms. 👍♥️😇🌹
Not really, it's about money (as always). The plastics industry just used increased green awareness as a flimsy pretext. The article literally pointed out that Rockwool sell a product which insulates well but doesn't act like napalm, but is a little more expensive.
If Hotpoint didn't make shoddy products in the first place the fire would not have happened. I have replaced so many tumble dryer and fridge freezers due to fire its crazy. Do not buy a plastic backed fridge!
Lee Fall it’s not about the fridge, what if the fire was caused by old electrics or by something as simple as a cigarette , if it wasn’t for the cladding the fire would have been contained within the mans flat saving the 71 people.
Tell u what happend the goverment and trust fund company coverd it in plastic because alot of people renting for 400 a week coudnt pay and there was some flats with 43 people living in one flat and thats just one reasion the higher up people did this and it worked as u can see no ones been charged or anythink #justiceforgrenfelltower
Carrie Ann Burns Unofficially it is suggested to make the building more aesthetically pleasing to the other more affluent members of the borough. Also, the green agenda pressuring landlords in to making buildings more efficient. Before the cladding was applied, Grenfell Tower was a good example of brutalist architecture. One thing is for sure... if it had been left as it was it wouldn’t have burned like it did 😞
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
When I was in Newcastle my head teacher mick and step granddad Barry had vauxhall zafiras and both got rid of them cause they were causing too many problems even before they went up in flames and when they heard about what the recall is for they were like I’m done with your SH*T VAUXHALL
The Grenfell Tower also didn't have a jumbo jet with 20,000 gallons of aviation fuel crash into it at approximately 520 MPH but go ahead and keep spewing conspiracy theories and comparing the two.
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
Not really a crisis. They knew it and make money doing it and they all knew it. Even the fire inspectors. Stop wasting time making these documentaries.
I first thing that's on my on my weather and then on TH-cam really sad there is no reason these people need to lose their wives prayers go out for them and for God's healing Christ Jesus our lord we pray amen♡
Will all the dead people return just like Jesus is supposed to? Prayers and religion are great for the powers that be to sedate the masses after things like Grenfell.
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
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It’s sad when money takes first place instead of human lives
From Canada here. Explain to me the logic of privatization of a regulatory authority, how does that work?? What is the point of government if it farm out its responsibility for protecting the common good. What a daft idea.
Shi Yuan .....Total corruption! Profits over people! As always! These government contracts should never have been privatised! And building and fire regulations should be left to government inspectors too! Do not privatise these industries! It destroys public safety! People cut corners for profit! Fire officers should issue safety certificates!!
BRE and the KCTMO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. The Kensington and Chelsea Borough is THE RICHEST IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. That means the Kensington and chelsea council recieves the most in taxes and therefore the most funding to spend on managing housing. Grenfell was in poor condition for many many years, before the cladding was even present, but even with all the complaints, they apparently couldn't afford to fund it? This is a case of mass negligence by the KCTMO and they MUST be held accountable.
Privatization and rolling back safety regulations coupled with extraordinary greed of corporations made this disaster possible.
Sprinkler systems should be mandatory in all buildings & condominiums , they are heat activated & turn on one at a time which keeps the fire contained to whichever unit it originated in. Exterior fires can be more hazardous however this is why we build with fire resistant materials , concrete etc. All current & future projects should require adequate sprinkler systems and older existing buildings need to be retrofitted with sprinklers too or else it's time to rip them down & rebuild so they can live up to today's standards! They gotta raise the bar citizens lives depend on it! Sprinkler systems should be the "bare minimum"
Central fire alarms should be the bare minimum, with sprinklers a close second. Neither should be considered optional.
Sprinklers would have done nothing at a fire like Grenfel, since of the 400 required heads, their would have only been enough water to power about 20 of them. This is based on the idea that fires only start in apartments one at a time. Even if huge pipework was installed, their is neither enough water or electricity in the area to operate them. Although they MAY have subdued the initial fire before the cladding caught alight, more than 90% of cladding fires start OUTSIDE the building.
Even blaming the cladding was ignoring the fact that it was completely incorrectly installed, with NONE of the 400+ fire separation barriers fitted.
The REAL problem lies in government austerity, where district surveyors were virtually abolished, working on paperwork without site inspections. This allowed developers to appoint their own surveyors who were neither competent or had the necessary experience to approve work on public buildings.
The truth is as simple at that, but no one is willing to stand up and admit it.
PS, I am a retired chartered engineer, with 45 years experience in the design of theatres, cinemas and film studios. We never see a life threatening fire in these types of buildings, simply because they cannot happen.
Grenfel became a national disgrace following it's renovation, but no one has the guts to publish the truth.
All the talk about sprinklers and fire alarms is simply a red herring to muddy the waters.
Fire alarm in large buildings can be lethal, causing panic, leading to injury and people ending up trapped in overloaded lifts within the fire building. This can all be triggered by someone burning the toast.
When evacuation becomes necessary, it needs to be controlled and supervised by competent people.
Fire alarms in large public buildings are SILENT, allowing investigation and on rare occasions people moved to a safer location.
the design of the building worked before they added the cladding, the design made it so if there was a fire on one of the floors it would be contained until fire brigade arrive to put it out. when they added the cladding if there was fire and the fire was able to spread to the cladding the flames would shoot up the air space between the cladding and the walls because of the draft
Only got some the end of last year. Grenfell had to happen for them to test the flat. Then they tried to sweet people up with money for cold weather🤔
After the fire at Grenfell Tower; the Grenfell Victims Association had three vans mounted with L.E.D billboards drove around London with these messages: "Seventy-one dead" "And still no arrests" "How come?" Much like in the movie "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri."
Sad. Money over life. 😕
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
If the UK doesn't do something about the building regulations and fire safety now then another Grenfell will happen. It will just be a matter of time before another Grenfell happens. Are the 70 people that died in Grenfell not enough to prompt change? How many more people must die before change is made? The UK is out of step with fire safety compared to the rest of the world. To be honest. I say stuff the whole eco friendly drive if it means that people will be safe in the buildings that they live in then it is worth sacrificing the eco drive to save the lives of people.
Cameronvial poor people don't matter to governments!!!
Its worse than this, they knew cladding was a massive fire risk in the early 80s! When the various councils around the country where finding out how poorly these large blocks and towers had been built they had to start tearing them down or carrying out remedial work. The cladding was identified with all sorts of risks, making the buildings rot internally because it kept rain inside, it covered up structural problems and was a fire risk.
More than 30 years before they covered Grenfell in it councils knew it was risky.
How many more people? Well that depends on how rich and important they are.
Shocking 💔
What a scandal!
this is so sad i rememberr it like it was yesterday
Are BRE bosses in jail?
Sad all this to save money on the expense of people's lives.
Why would BRE bosses be in jail? BRE is an accredited testing organisation. They carry out the tests that are specified in the standards. If the tests or standards are no good, then it is BSI who must revise them.
BRE may assist, however their function is to carry out the tests as specified in the BSI standard.
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
"hmm, how are we gonna meet our goal for the climate thing?"
"how about moving away from oil and fossil fuels"
"what, no, terrible idea. we should start putting that stuff on buildings, actually!"
Oh my God I am so sad that people died and the love ones and Friends
these builders should take a lesson from Canada's builders
MsJinkerson Bring in Mike Holmes...
which ones. majority are a joke. a Dog house is usuallly built better than most houses today.
Sprinklers, fire alarms and other stuff??? How about taking away the possible cause of fire in the first place instead of having reactionary measures in place!!!
the design of the building isnt the problem its the cladding that was the problem. the design of the building worked before they added the cladding, the design made it so if there was a fire on one of the floors it would be contained until fire brigade arrive to put it out. when they added the cladding if there was fire and the fire was able to spread to the cladding the flames would shoot up the air space between the cladding and the walls because of the draft
Hey that’s like Vauxhall’s zafira B that one went up in flames cause it had an overloaded resistor component which glew like a lightbulb and caught the cheap plastic interior on fire
They have modified the heaters/fans in all the Zafiras. (I know because we have one).
BRUFMA had a leading member called Rob Warren who was technical director at Celotex who made the products that were bought by the government and were put on Grenfell. I smell a massive conflict of interest.
Hayden Harris Total corruption! Profits over people! As always! These government contracts should never have been privatised! And building and fire regulations should be left to government inspectors too! Do not privatise these industries! It destroys public safety! People cut corners for profit! Fire officers should issue safety certificates!!
They insulate homes TOO MUCH and I’m almost DYING EVERY DAY NOW CAUSE OF THE HEAT
Still standing after the fire? The laws of physics definitely work different in New York than in London...
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
THIS IS LONDON 9/11 THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEW YORK 9/11 GRENFELL TOWER DIDN'T GET HIT BY AIRPLANE AND STILL STANDING
Yes. The laws of physics definitely work different in New York than in London...
So sad. I saw it on TH-cam and the news. My prayers for those who were killed and hurt and injuries.
All this aside though - this did start with a cheap and cheerful fridge freezer.
That's completely irrelevant. A manufacturer could sell a fridge for £10, but it should never catch fire. Safety is a basic expectation.
Hotpoints are hardly "cheap and cheerful"
Is the building still standing now or have they knocked it down??
Mr Kipling It is still standing. It’s been covered though.
Mr Kipling it’s still standing and me and my family have to see it every single day,
@@TeflonDonz it is your right. My friend is currently in Hammersmith hospital and every time I visit him I drive past it on the westway. It’s a sobering sight.
today is 14. April 2022. i was in london last week. it is still standing, covered up in white and some sign on the top (love Grenfell sign).
I blame Thatcher for Grenfell and all Politicians that have followed her. The lengths the Plastic Insulation Industry will go to is of no surprise.
spex357 she scrapped 20 pages of building regulations!! Hateful Woman!!! She allowed big companies to throw safety out the window!!!
spex357 privatizing everything is not the answer!!!
murder murder murder
Unforgivable criminal negligence, but not murder. No one deliberately planned the deaths.
I am not saying that these people should not face justice.
Too many coincidences isn't there. The extracter on the roof that should have being working would have kept the stairway clear of smoke so residents could get out. It didn't turn on....
Any fool can see these panels were, and those still in existence still are, highly flammable - the manufacturer had a responsibility to test and give sufficient warnings regarding their limitations and suitability- at the very least it should have stated it was a product unsuitable for any domestic development or development over 4 stories. It’s unreasonable to expect a fire safety engineer or architect (who have been effectively hoodwinked ) into believing this product had a fire rating of 0 based only on its outer skin.
After 3 years of questioning everyone apart from the manufacturer we seem to be getting nowhere very slowly- implying blame and going into finite detail in areas which had no real bearing on the events or would have made no difference to the outcome- yes it’s of interest but time to resolve this quickly before it happens again is paramount.
If this building were a plane ✈️ it would have been sorted within 12 months!!
It’s sickening that 72 people are dead and it was inferred the fire brigade was some how at fault when in fact they were on the scene within 6 minutes and facing a nightmare inferno 15 minutes later !! 15 minutes the whole building was ablaze!! - These panel’s are deadly - highly flammable and toxic and should NEVER have been given any fire rating.
It’s a total disgrace to the British Standards and/or any standard (EU) and all they stand for. The regulators should have be on the stand along with the manufacturer FIRST!!!! - this is where the criminal charges and justice is needed!!!! 72 dead- 3 years and confusion- this should have been finished within 12 months with those responsible from both The manufacturer and regulator serving jail terms. 👍♥️😇🌹
So sadly ironic that all these deaths are all about by a surge in a green approach
Not really, it's about money (as always). The plastics industry just used increased green awareness as a flimsy pretext. The article literally pointed out that Rockwool sell a product which insulates well but doesn't act like napalm, but is a little more expensive.
There's some sad irony, no doubt, but it all began with letting private businesses take over Britain in the 80s.
And then there’s Grenfell THATS A TOTALY OUT OF EARTH STORY MY HOLY GOD
If Hotpoint didn't make shoddy products in the first place the fire would not have happened. I have replaced so many tumble dryer and fridge freezers due to fire its crazy. Do not buy a plastic backed fridge!
Lee Fall it was an accident waiting to happen... fridge or not fridge!!! Thatcher changed the regulations years before!!!
Lee Fall it’s not about the fridge, what if the fire was caused by old electrics or by something as simple as a cigarette , if it wasn’t for the cladding the fire would have been contained within the mans flat saving the 71 people.
@@hazelwalsh3269 What regulations did Thatcher change and why please.
More combustible plastics are being used on cars as well cause the quality of everything THE NEWER IT IS THE WORSE IT IS
Tell u what happend the goverment and trust fund company coverd it in plastic because alot of people renting for 400 a week coudnt pay and there was some flats with 43 people living in one flat and thats just one reasion the higher up people did this and it worked as u can see no ones been charged or anythink #justiceforgrenfelltower
How much money would the council put on a human life?
Voting day today!
Why was the cladding on the building in the first place 😥😥
Carrie Ann Burns Unofficially it is suggested to make the building more aesthetically pleasing to the other more affluent members of the borough. Also, the green agenda pressuring landlords in to making buildings more efficient. Before the cladding was applied, Grenfell Tower was a good example of brutalist architecture. One thing is for sure... if it had been left as it was it wouldn’t have burned like it did 😞
Money
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
When I was in Newcastle my head teacher mick and step granddad Barry had vauxhall zafiras and both got rid of them cause they were causing too many problems even before they went up in flames and when they heard about what the recall is for they were like I’m done with your SH*T VAUXHALL
Still standing after the fire? The laws of physics definitely work different in New York than in London...
and since its still standing it kind of shows how things were made to last
The Grenfell Tower also didn't have a jumbo jet with 20,000 gallons of aviation fuel crash into it at approximately 520 MPH but go ahead and keep spewing conspiracy theories and comparing the two.
Look at Australia. They are in the same spot
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
i would say 4 years later and nothing done
Go after David Cameron and Theresa May
amazing - same story as the Boeing 737 max crashes.....new enviro tech results in mass death
I was in the coolmoyne fire
where is comment sense
I’m 17 right now
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.
What time are the fireworks!
😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬
OI INSULATOR PEOPLE ITS CALLED FIBERGLASS INSULATION USE IT!!!!!!!
Plastics mafia
God has those who died at Grenfell at His bosom.
Not really a crisis. They knew it and make money doing it and they all knew it. Even the fire inspectors. Stop wasting time making these documentaries.
Tabs T I’d call that a crisis! When warnings are ignored! And building and fire regulations are not fit purpose!!
Maybe Brexit is good after all. Luckily they are on island, so fire can't spread.
Aaaah.. climate change LOL
I first thing that's on my on my weather and then on TH-cam really sad there is no reason these people need to lose their wives prayers go out for them and for God's healing Christ Jesus our lord we pray amen♡
Sherri Hillstead your structure is quite confusing....
Will all the dead people return just like Jesus is supposed to? Prayers and religion are great for the powers that be to sedate the masses after things like Grenfell.
Most plastic products are a bi-product of crude oil waste, they process it to make plastic, a very and highly flammable product, once a light will admit toxin smoke, and they put this on a home to make it look good, I suggest the Prime Minister put it on his house if he dare.