Lets see Joe ! I think it is - given all those CF parts - Roof , Bonnet , Interior , Tricolour M Badge on the seat , etc , and given that its a limited edition - and its coming with a 6MT !
Get serious envy seeing you reviewing the m2. Wanted 1 since it was first released. It's got that slight mental side the M cars of old used to have.. with the cs it Depends where the extra 22k has been spent. Did it go on interior design or was it spent wisely on the mechanical side making it more of a monster.
nope. u simply get an m2 comp. pack it with every mperf parts + stage 1. bamm you have a much better car then the CS. and you end up still cheaper. i dont wanna be a hater but really this car is just a cash grab nothing more.
I have a manual M2C and before I brought it, I seriously considered waiting for the CS, but couldn’t see the additional 20+k in cost! (my car had 600 miles on the clock at a very good price so the cost difference was is even greater!) Yes there is some more carbon fibre and some other changes, overall it didn’t tempt me! Is it a true Ltd edition car? It’s Ltd by how long it is being produced for, but who knows how many they can/will produce in that period, probably plenty....... give it 12 months they would have dropped to a more sensible value and make more sense, but I don’t see the jump from the comp to the CS as enough of a step to warrant it, perhaps you’re video will tell me otherwise! Having said that it is a wicked machine and you can’t deny it looks mega! Sure this video will be great as ever mate, keep up the good work!
Joe, I don't know if you go back and read comments on old videos. When the OG M2 came out, I greatly wanted one and couldn't get it at the time. You were one of the primary TH-camrs I watched to get my M2 fix, since I couldn't have one. Now, years later, I finally got my OG 2018 BMW M2, with a stick, in Long Beach Blue (I don't know if the color names were the same across the pond). Now I'm watching M2 videos again, except because I own one. I prefer the OG over the C and CS. Thanks for the videos and I'm still watching.
Don't forget about the amazing adaptive suspension added to the cs over the competition. Also the seats feel a lot better to me and my competitions did.
@@thisisrob8750 adding the CF roof is a performance gain. I’ll give them that. But it stings to remember that CF roof was standard on an M3 and M4 (even without a comp package!). I never found out if they upgraded the M2 CS driveshaft to carbon fiber, which, by the way ALSO came standard on base M3s and M4s, until they killed it off because of the new required particulate filter encroaching on it (it’s a larger diameter than a standard steel driveshaft).
It doesn't really 'sting' as much, not having equivalent CF of other models, when the chassis engineering & torsional balance is considered. Precise & considered use of materials/attributes efficient, too much is not..
Why is it that good content creators don’t have the recognition they deserve, this channel deserves at least a million followers? A BMW FAN . Keep it up friend 👌
Very good point, it just shows that people of today are slowly going crazy. they'd rather watch something that makes no sense labelled 'DSG fart compilation' instead of some real meaty content like we have here
Look at the M4CS and M3CS and you'll see they aren't really holding any value for being "Limited". My local dealership bought one in for less than £40k and those were going out for £90k+ at one point! Amazing car but not £20k+ more than a comp amazing. However you aren't "smart buying" a M2CS this is for those who want it and the price is irrelevant which i'm glad they make it for more choices the better. Excellent video as always man!
The M3 CS is holding it more so than the equivalent M4 CS, but that’s simply due to it more limited numbers, but yes other than that they’ve both lost a big ol’ chunk.
I think it's good because it just shows that the market wasn't happy to be ripped off. The current prices are more reflective of their actual value and tbh it was frankly a joke to charge £90k for it.
9uard it’s more than just software... GTS Carbon fibre bonnet, different mapping and boost pressure (more linear), higher pressure oil pump, standard air con with rear delete, Gerny flap, 19/20” staggered wheel setup with light weight 736M as standard, different sway bars which are standard front, comp rear. springs being non-comp with sunroof front and non-comp rear with spring rate setup to cup 2 tyres. revised differential and comp based exhaust with stainless steel tips, as well as CS specific software. Admittedly abit of a parts bin car, drive an M3 Comp and a CS back to back and they feel like a completely different entity. Even if you have GTS and CS software coded in it still doesn’t feel like a CS. It’s how the F80 should have been all along.
Cenkhan Yilmaz you could and admittedly probably the more sensible choice... however it’s no where near as engaging as a CS and or as special. The M5 is excellent, but it still feels a big near 2 ton machine that just doesn’t give you that driving feel.
@@krasnaludek298 I'm not talking about the best, I'm just saying MY favorites. Light weight wheels, like the CS ones, are always better, everyone knows that.
A great video with 2 impressive and superb cars. But even more impressive, is Joe mastering the art of being a car TH-camr. Introduction, body, and conclusion, it is all there, perfectly told, captivating! He was good a few years ago, he is now brilliant. I am glad the rapid increase in subscribers backs up the amazing work done. 👍👍
Great review man! The Misano blue metallic looks lovely, black wheels look good but the gold 763m wheels are a must in my opinion. I would prefer this over the M2C if I had an excess amount of $$ to spend haha
Thanks legend! Yeah agree the gold 763's would have really completed the look! Hope you're well bro, have a great weekend and hopefully meet you one day soon....
Nice vid. I really like the CS, but I struggle with the price of it especially if they deprecate like the last CS cars. It’s be hard to look passed the GT4 at that money. An M2 is my next move from my M140i, although used M4’s look like great value for money at the mo.
I don’t understand the M2 depreciation curve. They are depreciating so slowly when compared to the M3/M4. A used 2016 M2 is more expensive than a used 2016 M4/M3 despite the M2 being 20 k less brand new
Jet X it’s nuts isn’t it? I really fancy an M2 but a sub £30k M4 looks much better value via the AUC site and with a far wider choice. Size wise the M2 suits me because I get on with my M140i. The M3/4 is a big old beast now and the none Comp ones are a bit spiky handling wise.
Sam Court yeah I am also thinking of just buying a M3/M4 as it will be minimum 5k cheaper and a better deal considering the base price of the M3/M4. Only worry I have is that it will lose its value while the used M2 will probably hold up better but used M4/M3s are so cheap right now it’s a deal anyway lol
You’d have to stage 2 an M2 non competition to get the same kind of power as a standard m3/m4 non comp pack. The M2 does like nicer than an m4 though with its wide chunky stance and definitely sounds better.
As usual @Joeachilles I really enjoyed the video...and I hope to see you out on a future petrolheads tour. I just got back from a week in Austria and did the Stuttgart to Munich stretch on the autobahn, hardly any traffic for a Monday afternoon so you could really open up. We did a 200 km stretch in 1 hour to 1 hr 10 min.
Day off work, roasting in the back garden, looking forward to this Joe like many viewers would love to have an M2 comp one day, trouble is I will cry like a big baby when the M140 goes
This was a much better detailed comparison between the two M2’s over what 888 did recently. Got a good feel for the differences between the two cars. Thank you.
Great vid bro, we are Bmw fan boys and appreciate the attention to detail M have put into this CS, they are like Rolex constantly improving, for me the CS is worth it, all that OEM engineering and the looks on that colour 👌🏻
Nice video! Very interesting that it isn't that much faster on track and actually the bigger difference is on public road. I kinda expected it to be other way around. The CS however might be quite collectable car in coming years.
One of your best videos lately imo. Balanced review of both cars, shame I couldn't make the straight6 trackday this time around to experience the cs in person
Know I'm 6 months late commenting on this vid, but what a great video this is! So interesting that you conclude that the M2CS is actually a better road car, not necessarily much better on track (bit counter intuitive, but makes sense). I'm in Australia and the M2 CS's are basically impossible to get a hold of, but maybe in the next few years! Thanks Joe, love your videos and your channel
Nice & casual review joe, not a loud younger fella some were in the past you are easy to listen to & your review of both of these m cars a good comparison overall as i've yet to own a bmw, & what i would like to get next after my 2018 RS3 sportback, so thnks & will definately watch another of your reviews again.
Great video Joe, looks like you had some good fun filming this one. M2 CS appears to be way too heavy for what it is. BMW say its the same weight as an M4 CS, which have now dropped to £55k. I know which one I'd rather have....
Heavy but performance on par with the Cayman GT4, marginally beating the Porsche in this track battle along with the A45S: th-cam.com/video/YOWqQzLa6yY/w-d-xo.html
If you wanted to, you could give the comp a slight tune, cup 2 tyres, not sure what that will do regarding reliability but perhaps cheaper way to reach the CS performance.
Two things - CS has CC brakes and better tires- Take the M2C and put the same wheels,tires and brakes- lets see what happens. My 2020 M2C with MP suspension with corner balancing feels incredible!! CS is nice! However I don’t like the overall style of the CS. I love how my Comp looks lowered with 10mm spacers. But each to it’s own-
Joe this has been a very good review of the two cars and the way the CS was performing and I was only watching seemed the better car but like you said it is a year older and the technology never stops so my opinion is that they are both race cars really, and the blue one is the best one, but is damn dear for an everyday motor, however if you were going to give me one i`m not going to say no!!!
If Ian totally honest not a big BMW fan but I do like these smaller cars like the classic 1M and now the take over of it to a different degree the M2 cars and this CS version in this colour is spot on, Joe Iam like yourself let's not kill the Manaul..!! 👍will be interesting what you think of the M2 Cs in Manaul form. Cracking Video ☺
@@nessuno5403 can always wrap the wheels black 😂 I would say pricing is probably about right here in Australia. It's about 50k less than a Cayman GT4 here.
@@Sarncho I really do mean congrats and if you like gold wheels, ignore people like me 😉 I know Down Under people cancelled orders and gone to new 718 GTS 4.0 instead. That would be my choice too, but happy (and biased?) with M2C. What brakes did you spec? Because that too takes you higher in the Porsche options.
@@Sarncho sensible to go steel then (I optioned the same system) and Jesus... I assumed the GTS would not be $175k instead! Talk about getting ripped off compared to other markets where CS is at a closer price point!
CS will probably hold its money well so taking into consideration depreciation the extra money initially spent will be clawed back on resale value. When you compare it to the Porche Caymen GT4 as a road/track car the outlay becomes more questionable. Probably down to how much you value four seats. Don't think I'd change our comp for a CS though.
Looking at the M3/M4 CS versions I assume the M2 CS will share the same fate as them: Sitting at the dealer with prices dropping and dropping. At least here in Germany this was the case. With a price tag like this the competition is too harsh for the M2 CS. Cars like the GT4 or low milage 991 GTS come to mind.
Really cool. Thanks for the great comparison. You know I have the M2 PE in Miami and I was super curious about the CS. Your conclusion makes sense. The CS is made for the road. So we’re still missing a hardcore M2 track model from the factory, like a GTS. I’m modding brakes and adding a downpipe to the M2 PE. Might even do seats and go full track weapon. It’s not a daily anymore... cheers Joe!
@@JoeAchilles1 agree however justifying such a large price differential and assessing how much of that is down to the tyre, which isn't expensive, would be very informative.
@@Freshiemaster it would be and I discuss that at the end of the video. This video cost me a fortune to produce and 3 days to edit, changing tyres is never going to happen on my own personal budget.
Cracking video Joe!! Great comparison, £83k though... Ouch! Would much rather an M2 (N55) with some Nitrons, sticky rubber, good setup and pocket the change!
Excellent video Joe I love the CS here in Canada they’re are roughly 30k over the comp model I must say that some of the biggest differences you’re highlighting are the suspension and stickier tires but let’s not forget the forged wheels that will contribute to the ride as well. The adjustable suspension is nice but I think the comp is very good around the city especially our shitty roads here in Canada. I’m not sure how much of a difference 40 hp makes I’m sure it’s the map that’s slightly different. But nonetheless the CS is a sexy car the carbon bling is awesome I can’t wait to see one on the road.
Wheel arch extensions are way more than just thin plastic trim - go right inside and into upper arches - not a diy job to remove! Why would you mess with a CS though, I suppose, anyway :-) Surprised the 763s are gloss black as the dealer spec (non cs) items are satin, which definitely looks a lot nicer, IMO
Nice bro again Joe. I am glad the cs has normal door grabs this time . Wondering how much weight saving has been done on this. The comp is great too. The m4cs seemed a waste of money to some but they still all sold out. I wished the m4 cs came.with the same door trims as the the m3 cs did. But hey ... that's all done and gone. I recommend anyone to buy a cs while its here. But then again the comp can be made to look like.a cs and.STILL you have chance in your pocket. Hmm. I'm a m8comp coupe lover so I can't really say too much . Joe.... when the m4 coupe arrives I hope you can test that . It's almost a smaller m8 coupe . Thanks again.
It somehow still sold out because supply was limited. Many people cancelled orders after considering it's not a substantial improvement over the M2C for the money. Some too are jumping on Cayman 718 GTS 4.0 instead.
Wonder what the next gen M2 will offer. I really hope they don't make it heavier and bigger. These M2C /M2CS would be a lot less then and more affordable in a few years. Amazing cars both of them. Great video/comparison.
Have myself an m2c bought in dec.19 with huge discount for beeing end of year and made it as I wanted it included 60 hp and 70 fit/lb more after break-in and I still have money saved for bbs Fi-r . Adaptive suspension is what I really miss compared to the cs
Tbh the main thing i dont understand is how the competition model does not have a carbon fiber roof....every comp model before it (Except the e46 m3) does...
Hey Joe... one of the very best and honest comparisons between both! - I'd stick with the "standard M2C"... and maybe add some of the very nice outer features, like the bonnet, the awesome golden rims etc... but anyway; the M2C as standard is just WAY beyond to buy for this money to have as a livin classic... especially with manual shift...! LOVE IT! Thanks a lot for ALL of your great Videos with the M2 - learned a lot - and... lovely greets from MUNICH - Home of YOUR Car! ;) Tom
I think at the end of the day these CS models are just runout versions fully loaded up with some nice trim.... and after market values appear to substantiate that.. the truth is the next gen M3/M4 which are just around the corner will no doubt, be quicker than even these CS versions..... But yes I still like the CS's I hope the next gen will be labeled CSL.. this CS badging on the M3 never made sense...had they been a 85 - 90 kg lighter car...it could have been a different story....
@@callumhayes9733 why champ? The CS weighs as much as a Competition and it's only an engine retune. Same torque and hardware. Then there's stickier tyres. The rest is eye candy.
@@nessuno5403 Engine retune and stickier tires, exactly. A great driver could probably bridge the gap, assuming that the CS driver was quite average, which is an impossible assumption to accurately make. Also, refrain from calling people champ unless you want to come across as a bit of an ass
M2cs is the best looking car without doubt outside GT and Supercar territory (yes i know that is subjective opinion). But if i had a chance to select a car for life?, give me the keys of this Mizano blue M2cs DCT. Good handling, practical, superb on the road, and with the enough amount of power to take a smile from your Face everytime you push it a bit harder. This M2cs is a well-rounded car.
Like Joe, good lad and good videos. BMW CS is poor by BMW let’s be honest, taking the bands with that price with options £80k plus, no way. Get a GT4 and when the recession kicks in you will be better protected in a Porsche. This is like any other M or Competition, it will bomb on price.
Yes, it's truly beautiful in every way, but unless my surname was "Shiek" I just couldn't justify that price. I noticed Chris Harris loved it too, but you're close to used 911 GT3 cash there, surely. Stunning colour though with those wheels. 👍
The question is..if someone put m2 competition badges on both cars and you drove them could you tell the difference between them..also i work at the port and see all the new bmws..man theu have came out with some crazy colors lol..neon green, flat grey, neon orange, red, emerald green (my favorite) etc.
M2, M2 Competition, M2 CS. Put all cars on the same tyres, there will be more or less no difference in time. It is a shame from BMW. CS can only be justified by the prestige/looks, for sure not the performance.
I’ve seen one for sale for over £90k! No way your paying that, the difference between a Stock and a CS is to much. You can have an eventuri intake, performance exhaust, down pipe, up rated brakes, Re-map to your M2 Comp and still have £15k change Before you get near the CS.
How reliable are BMW adaptive suspension parts? A track set and street set of tires may be a way to smooth out the roads in the UK for less moola. 🤷🏼♂️
Over 70k for an M2 is just insane no matter how many tid bits are on it! The sweet spot for most people has always been the M240i, not as special but with a stage 1 remap you have 90% of the performance for a heck of a lot less money. It's just a money making exercise where people must have the latest thing imo
M240i is a brilliant car and arguably a better daily with softer ride and the ZF box. And yes with a small remap is just as quick in a straight line. But, It will never be 90% of any M2, totally different animals, the M2 isn't about straight line pace, it's about handling, until you've driven both cars on track, you wouldn't realise the Titanic gal between them.
@@JoeAchilles1 the only experience with a proper M car I've had is in the passenger seat of an M4 driven by tiff off 5th gear. I own a 340i stage 1 and while confident I could be near on the straights, for track work the 340i would fall to pieces and handling/brakes are where the money goes. It just seems like a lot when BMW offer amazing cars lower in the range. My next car is likely to be the new m550i really looking forward to your review on it 😀
@@johnjackson12 yeah that's basically the difference between the regular fast BM's like your lovely 340i or any of the recent M.... Variants, brilliant and capable cars for the money, just as quick as M cars for daily duties etc, but the M cars come alive when pushed beyond their limits. I do agree the CS is expensive, especially comparing it to my comp which can be had new (with current discounts) for less than £50k 👌
@@johnjackson12 been owning m340i for just few months and while it had good response in sport plus I couldnt really get used with its size and weight. Also the steering wheel is a little numb and heavy. Personally I still have good memories about m2 handling and power the only downside was the harsh ride in some bad asphalts.
Thanks for watching guys, do you think the CS is worth the extra £22k?
Lets see Joe ! I think it is - given all those CF parts - Roof , Bonnet , Interior , Tricolour M Badge on the seat , etc , and given that its a limited edition - and its coming with a 6MT !
Get serious envy seeing you reviewing the m2. Wanted 1 since it was first released. It's got that slight mental side the M cars of old used to have.. with the cs it Depends where the extra 22k has been spent. Did it go on interior design or was it spent wisely on the mechanical side making it more of a monster.
nope. u simply get an m2 comp. pack it with every mperf parts + stage 1. bamm you have a much better car then the CS. and you end up still cheaper. i dont wanna be a hater but really this car is just a cash grab nothing more.
If it drives 10% better, I would say it’s worth the £22k extra. It’s a very rare model that will probably be worth £50k plus in 10 years time 👍🏻
I have a manual M2C and before I brought it, I seriously considered waiting for the CS, but couldn’t see the additional 20+k in cost! (my car had 600 miles on the clock at a very good price so the cost difference was is even greater!) Yes there is some more carbon fibre and some other changes, overall it didn’t tempt me!
Is it a true Ltd edition car? It’s Ltd by how long it is being produced for, but who knows how many they can/will produce in that period, probably plenty....... give it 12 months they would have dropped to a more sensible value and make more sense, but I don’t see the jump from the comp to the CS as enough of a step to warrant it, perhaps you’re video will tell me otherwise!
Having said that it is a wicked machine and you can’t deny it looks mega!
Sure this video will be great as ever mate, keep up the good work!
Joe, I don't know if you go back and read comments on old videos. When the OG M2 came out, I greatly wanted one and couldn't get it at the time. You were one of the primary TH-camrs I watched to get my M2 fix, since I couldn't have one. Now, years later, I finally got my OG 2018 BMW M2, with a stick, in Long Beach Blue (I don't know if the color names were the same across the pond). Now I'm watching M2 videos again, except because I own one. I prefer the OG over the C and CS. Thanks for the videos and I'm still watching.
You prefer the OG because it's just a better car period.
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Amen. I own an OG M2 as well, and love it.
BMW has a very simple formula for all the CS cars. Use high end tires to increase the performance; Use carbon fiber parts to increase the price.
Great summary👍🏼
Don't forget about the amazing adaptive suspension added to the cs over the competition. Also the seats feel a lot better to me and my competitions did.
@@thisisrob8750 adding the CF roof is a performance gain. I’ll give them that. But it stings to remember that CF roof was standard on an M3 and M4 (even without a comp package!). I never found out if they upgraded the M2 CS driveshaft to carbon fiber, which, by the way ALSO came standard on base M3s and M4s, until they killed it off because of the new required particulate filter encroaching on it (it’s a larger diameter than a standard steel driveshaft).
It doesn't really 'sting' as much, not having equivalent CF of other models, when the chassis engineering & torsional balance is considered. Precise & considered use of materials/attributes efficient, too much is not..
Great review Joe! We think we can build a better M2 for the money though, come get the keys!
Would like to see this and no doubt you guys would 👌 I’d way rather an £80k evolve M2 comp than a CS
Don't leave us hangin' Joe, reply here so we know it's in the picture.
With the warranty still intact?
Ha we know Imrans M2 already tops the CS! Easy pickings
Why is it that good content creators don’t have the recognition they deserve, this channel deserves at least a million followers? A BMW FAN . Keep it up friend 👌
Thanks buddy, comments like this make my time and efforts worthwhile 👌👊❤️
Very good point, it just shows that people of today are slowly going crazy. they'd rather watch something that makes no sense labelled 'DSG fart compilation' instead of some real meaty content like we have here
Look at the M4CS and M3CS and you'll see they aren't really holding any value for being "Limited". My local dealership bought one in for less than £40k and those were going out for £90k+ at one point!
Amazing car but not £20k+ more than a comp amazing. However you aren't "smart buying" a M2CS this is for those who want it and the price is irrelevant which i'm glad they make it for more choices the better.
Excellent video as always man!
The M3 CS is holding it more so than the equivalent M4 CS, but that’s simply due to it more limited numbers, but yes other than that they’ve both lost a big ol’ chunk.
I think it's good because it just shows that the market wasn't happy to be ripped off. The current prices are more reflective of their actual value and tbh it was frankly a joke to charge £90k for it.
9uard it’s more than just software... GTS Carbon fibre bonnet, different mapping and boost pressure (more linear), higher pressure oil pump, standard air con with rear delete, Gerny flap, 19/20” staggered wheel setup with light weight 736M as standard, different sway bars which are standard front, comp rear. springs being non-comp with sunroof front and non-comp rear with spring rate setup to cup 2 tyres. revised differential and comp based exhaust with stainless steel tips, as well as CS specific software. Admittedly abit of a parts bin car, drive an M3 Comp and a CS back to back and they feel like a completely different entity. Even if you have GTS and CS software coded in it still doesn’t feel like a CS. It’s how the F80 should have been all along.
For that money we could buy a year old m5 comp. 625hp just saying 🥴
Cenkhan Yilmaz you could and admittedly probably the more sensible choice... however it’s no where near as engaging as a CS and or as special. The M5 is excellent, but it still feels a big near 2 ton machine that just doesn’t give you that driving feel.
23:18 RIP. Showed full commitment to the CS review. True hero. Gone but never forgotten.
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Great video, Joe. Very informative and so well edited. I know it takes many many hours to put together a video of this length. We appreciate it!
Thank you buddy, was a long couple days filming and a three day edit, but worthwhile for a comment like yours 🙌❤️👊
For the wheels, my favorites are still the original M2 wheels.
No, these CS equipped are best - that is factual.
@@krasnaludek298 I'm not talking about the best, I'm just saying MY favorites. Light weight wheels, like the CS ones, are always better, everyone knows that.
The 437 wheels on the OG M2 that you like actually aren’t far off the 763m CS wheels in weight
A great video with 2 impressive and superb cars.
But even more impressive, is Joe mastering the art of being a car TH-camr. Introduction, body, and conclusion, it is all there, perfectly told, captivating! He was good a few years ago, he is now brilliant. I am glad the rapid increase in subscribers backs up the amazing work done. 👍👍
That orange M2 seems to have lost its numberplate? Much prefer it in that colour however!
Haha yeah apparently the owner can reach high enough to mount it.... ;-)
Disappointing lack of b-roll showing Rollini fill up from 0 miles of range 😀
@@RobBoothAutomotive 😂😂😂😂😂😂👌
Rob Booth Automotive it happened so regularly we kept forgetting 😬
That Orange M2 looks the bees knees - I think I keep seeing it at Shell in Nottingham . . . . . .
Great review man! The Misano blue metallic looks lovely, black wheels look good but the gold 763m wheels are a must in my opinion. I would prefer this over the M2C if I had an excess amount of $$ to spend haha
Thanks legend! Yeah agree the gold 763's would have really completed the look! Hope you're well bro, have a great weekend and hopefully meet you one day soon....
Joe, great review and comparison of both the cars. Thanks for sharing.
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This two cars are beauty. I love the new color of the CS but my favorite is always the blue of the old m2.
I like your presentation style, it's detailed and doesn't sound showy. Don't change!
Nice vid.
I really like the CS, but I struggle with the price of it especially if they deprecate like the last CS cars. It’s be hard to look passed the GT4 at that money.
An M2 is my next move from my M140i, although used M4’s look like great value for money at the mo.
I don’t understand the M2 depreciation curve. They are depreciating so slowly when compared to the M3/M4. A used 2016 M2 is more expensive than a used 2016 M4/M3 despite the M2 being 20 k less brand new
Jet X it’s nuts isn’t it? I really fancy an M2 but a sub £30k M4 looks much better value via the AUC site and with a far wider choice. Size wise the M2 suits me because I get on with my M140i. The M3/4 is a big old beast now and the none Comp ones are a bit spiky handling wise.
Sam Court yeah I am also thinking of just buying a M3/M4 as it will be minimum 5k cheaper and a better deal considering the base price of the M3/M4. Only worry I have is that it will lose its value while the used M2 will probably hold up better but used M4/M3s are so cheap right now it’s a deal anyway lol
You’d have to stage 2 an M2 non competition to get the same kind of power as a standard m3/m4 non comp pack. The M2 does like nicer than an m4 though with its wide chunky stance and definitely sounds better.
Shahid Hussain to be honest my M140i is fast enough, a stock OG M2 should be plenty. Upsides are it looks and sounds loads better than the M140i.
As usual @Joeachilles I really enjoyed the video...and I hope to see you out on a future petrolheads tour. I just got back from a week in Austria and did the Stuttgart to Munich stretch on the autobahn, hardly any traffic for a Monday afternoon so you could really open up. We did a 200 km stretch in 1 hour to 1 hr 10 min.
ooh exciting, been waiting for something new and now drops a "CS"
Hope you enjoy it :-)
@@JoeAchilles1 very good opener review and the track day was a treat
Great video mate. M2CS looks stunning
Thanks legend 👊❤️
Day off work, roasting in the back garden, looking forward to this Joe like many viewers would love to have an M2 comp one day, trouble is I will cry like a big baby when the M140 goes
Haha sounds like you're having a decent Friday mate! Hope you enjoy :-)
This was a much better detailed comparison between the two M2’s over what 888 did recently. Got a good feel for the differences between the two cars. Thank you.
Great vid bro, we are Bmw fan boys and appreciate the attention to detail M have put into this CS, they are like Rolex constantly improving, for me the CS is worth it, all that OEM engineering and the looks on that colour 👌🏻
Nice video! Very interesting that it isn't that much faster on track and actually the bigger difference is on public road. I kinda expected it to be other way around. The CS however might be quite collectable car in coming years.
Just picked up the 2020 M2 Competition Manual and I am in love with it! It’s truly the best M car! I love the CS but at 85,000 I’ll buy a Porsche
One of your best videos lately imo. Balanced review of both cars, shame I couldn't make the straight6 trackday this time around to experience the cs in person
Know I'm 6 months late commenting on this vid, but what a great video this is! So interesting that you conclude that the M2CS is actually a better road car, not necessarily much better on track (bit counter intuitive, but makes sense). I'm in Australia and the M2 CS's are basically impossible to get a hold of, but maybe in the next few years! Thanks Joe, love your videos and your channel
The best M2 CS Video on TH-cam nice one fella and thank you 👍
Brilliant video, Joe! As a 2016 F87 owner, I love seeing your passion and admiration of the M2. We just don't get the same here in the States
Nice & casual review joe, not a loud younger fella some were in the past you are easy to listen to & your review of both of these m cars a good comparison overall as i've yet to own a bmw, & what i would like to get next after my 2018 RS3 sportback, so thnks & will definately watch another of your reviews again.
Great video Joe, looks like you had some good fun filming this one.
M2 CS appears to be way too heavy for what it is. BMW say its the same weight as an M4 CS, which have now dropped to £55k. I know which one I'd rather have....
Heavy but performance on par with the Cayman GT4, marginally beating the Porsche in this track battle along with the A45S: th-cam.com/video/YOWqQzLa6yY/w-d-xo.html
If you wanted to, you could give the comp a slight tune, cup 2 tyres, not sure what that will do regarding reliability but perhaps cheaper way to reach the CS performance.
M5 CS coming soon
Well worth the wait. Great video. Thank you for keeping us entertained 👍🏻
Two things - CS has CC brakes and better tires- Take the M2C and put the same wheels,tires and brakes- lets see what happens. My 2020 M2C with MP suspension with corner balancing feels incredible!! CS is nice! However I don’t like the overall style of the CS. I love how my Comp looks lowered with 10mm spacers. But each to it’s own-
Joe this has been a very good review of the two cars and the way the CS was performing and I was only watching seemed the better car but like you said it is a year older and the technology never stops so my opinion is that they are both race cars really, and the blue one is the best one, but is damn dear for an everyday motor, however if you were going to give me one i`m not going to say no!!!
If Ian totally honest not a big BMW fan but I do like these smaller cars like the classic 1M and now the take over of it to a different degree the M2 cars and this CS version in this colour is spot on, Joe Iam like yourself let's not kill the Manaul..!! 👍will be interesting what you think of the M2 Cs in Manaul form.
Cracking Video ☺
Thanks for the insights you share. They've really been helpful in figuring out what car to choose and what I'm willing to pay.
Great video mate, nice to see them side by side 🙂
Another great video Joe! Love the subtle styling tweaks of the CS
Joe Achilles for president! Giving the world what it needs!
Haha!
Thanks for the video! Got a CS manual misano blue gold wheels on order here in Australia. Can't wait!
Too Impreza STi but congrats in seeing value to spend on this overpriced and overhyped model
@@nessuno5403 can always wrap the wheels black 😂 I would say pricing is probably about right here in Australia. It's about 50k less than a Cayman GT4 here.
@@Sarncho I really do mean congrats and if you like gold wheels, ignore people like me 😉 I know Down Under people cancelled orders and gone to new 718 GTS 4.0 instead. That would be my choice too, but happy (and biased?) with M2C. What brakes did you spec? Because that too takes you higher in the Porsche options.
@@nessuno5403 Porsche a bit outta price range. Just went with steels. Carbon 16k extra, it won't be tracked enough to make it worthwhile.
@@Sarncho sensible to go steel then (I optioned the same system) and Jesus... I assumed the GTS would not be $175k instead! Talk about getting ripped off compared to other markets where CS is at a closer price point!
Thank you for another excellent review! Keep up the good work!
Good vid as always, but I can't believe all those extras apart from the carbon brakes are not standard on a £72K car?!
Great review! At 83k puts it in direct competition with a base 911 let alone a gt4! Yikes. Your M2C is the sweet spot in the range IMHO.
CS will probably hold its money well so taking into consideration depreciation the extra money initially spent will be clawed back on resale value. When you compare it to the Porche Caymen GT4 as a road/track car the outlay becomes more questionable. Probably down to how much you value four seats. Don't think I'd change our comp for a CS though.
CS is no M3 CSL or M4 GTS so any value holding will be short lived, most likely
Looking at the M3/M4 CS versions I assume the M2 CS will share the same fate as them: Sitting at the dealer with prices dropping and dropping. At least here in Germany this was the case.
With a price tag like this the competition is too harsh for the M2 CS. Cars like the GT4 or low milage 991 GTS come to mind.
@@TheLoomit same in Oceania, the M3 and M4 CS were failures
@@TheLoomit
Yes will be interesting to see depreciation in uk. Agree re GT4.
Not a chance, just look at M4CS, £100k car now sub £60k in just over a year.
You're a natural, Joe. And the motors aren't bad, either! Interesting and informative comparison, cheers. 👍😎
I wonder just how easy those wheel arch extensions come off...
The sentiment of the video.... "this m2 competition isn't as good as mine" just facts rollini, thanks for letting me take your car out!
Really cool. Thanks for the great comparison. You know I have the M2 PE in Miami and I was super curious about the CS.
Your conclusion makes sense. The CS is made for the road. So we’re still missing a hardcore M2 track model from the factory, like a GTS.
I’m modding brakes and adding a downpipe to the M2 PE. Might even do seats and go full track weapon. It’s not a daily anymore... cheers Joe!
Fantastic as always sir!
It looks like a bargain if you consider the Renaultsport Megane Trophy R cost £70k ! Lovely car ❤️❤️ great vid as always Joe
I think you should compare the 2 cars on the same tyre. Seems like the composure and grip is largely due to the cup 2 tyre.
Testing them on the tyres they're sold with makes more sense for a fair comparison test.
@@JoeAchilles1 agree however justifying such a large price differential and assessing how much of that is down to the tyre, which isn't expensive, would be very informative.
@@Freshiemaster it would be and I discuss that at the end of the video. This video cost me a fortune to produce and 3 days to edit, changing tyres is never going to happen on my own personal budget.
@@JoeAchilles1 totally get that and huge props to you for creating and publishing great content! Not down playing your work, just a suggestion.
@@JoeAchilles1 thanks for your efforts then! (which we trust will be reviewed by views)
Cracking video Joe!! Great comparison, £83k though... Ouch! Would much rather an M2 (N55) with some Nitrons, sticky rubber, good setup and pocket the change!
Excellent video Joe I love the CS here in Canada they’re are roughly 30k over the comp model I must say that some of the biggest differences you’re highlighting are the suspension and stickier tires but let’s not forget the forged wheels that will contribute to the ride as well. The adjustable suspension is nice but I think the comp is very good around the city especially our shitty roads here in Canada. I’m not sure how much of a difference 40 hp makes I’m sure it’s the map that’s slightly different. But nonetheless the CS is a sexy car the carbon bling is awesome I can’t wait to see one on the road.
Awesome thank Joe. That sweet S55 whisper hey. No way I'd pay that uplift for a CS personally
Cheers James glad you liked it!
Remeber there will only be 2200 m2cs made
Dubai Whips ist doesnt matter
Wheel arch extensions are way more than just thin plastic trim - go right inside and into upper arches - not a diy job to remove! Why would you mess with a CS though, I suppose, anyway :-) Surprised the 763s are gloss black as the dealer spec (non cs) items are satin, which definitely looks a lot nicer, IMO
Nice bro again Joe. I am glad the cs has normal door grabs this time . Wondering how much weight saving has been done on this. The comp is great too. The m4cs seemed a waste of money to some but they still all sold out. I wished the m4 cs came.with the same door trims as the the m3 cs did. But hey ... that's all done and gone. I recommend anyone to buy a cs while its here. But then again the comp can be made to look like.a cs and.STILL you have chance in your pocket. Hmm.
I'm a m8comp coupe lover so I can't really say too much . Joe.... when the m4 coupe arrives I hope you can test that . It's almost a smaller m8 coupe .
Thanks again.
It somehow still sold out because supply was limited. Many people cancelled orders after considering it's not a substantial improvement over the M2C for the money. Some too are jumping on Cayman 718 GTS 4.0 instead.
Cracks open a beer. Throws Jo up on the big screen. Sound bar up. Who needs Top Gear? ❤️
Great Video Joe 👏👏👌🏻👍
Nice video as always. RIP for that little bird that squashed into the cs front.
Love all your videos. Big bmw fan. And love the m2
Interior on the CS looks insane. Shame they never made a CSL version.
My M2 CS has an MSO/MCO (a legal document: the Car's "Birth Certificate") generated by BMW at time of assembly that states it has a 405 HP engine.
Wonder what the next gen M2 will offer. I really hope they don't make it heavier and bigger. These M2C /M2CS would be a lot less then and more affordable in a few years. Amazing cars both of them. Great video/comparison.
lol what do u think now
@@ankithjudahsamuelj9919 Don't even get me started man :
Have myself an m2c bought in dec.19 with huge discount for beeing end of year and made it as I wanted it included 60 hp and 70 fit/lb more after break-in and I still have money saved for bbs Fi-r . Adaptive suspension is what I really miss compared to the cs
Tbh the main thing i dont understand is how the competition model does not have a carbon fiber roof....every comp model before it (Except the e46 m3) does...
Looking forwards to this one joe!! 😎😎
As always another very nice in depth review, Joe. When’s the next track outing ?
Hope you’re keeping well.
23:17 RIP
Poor bird. M2 CS spills first blood.
Hey Joe... one of the very best and honest comparisons between both! - I'd stick with the "standard M2C"... and maybe add some of the very nice outer features, like the bonnet, the awesome golden rims etc... but anyway; the M2C as standard is just WAY beyond to buy for this money to have as a livin classic... especially with manual shift...! LOVE IT! Thanks a lot for ALL of your great Videos with the M2 - learned a lot - and... lovely greets from MUNICH - Home of YOUR Car! ;) Tom
PS; Imagine the M2CS Look, with that special golden Wheels in "Barcelona Blue"!!!??!
Nice laps Joe!
I think at the end of the day these CS models are just runout versions fully loaded up with some nice trim.... and after market values appear to substantiate that.. the truth is the next gen M3/M4 which are just around the corner will no doubt, be quicker than even these CS versions..... But yes I still like the CS's I hope the next gen will be labeled CSL.. this CS badging on the M3 never made sense...had they been a 85 - 90 kg lighter car...it could have been a different story....
5K spent on a 40k comp would trouble a stock CS!
Without the future headache or weight of adaptive suspension. Just an engine retune and stickier tyres needed.
@Darren Boston Well, here's the most stupid thing I've read for a while
@@callumhayes9733 why champ? The CS weighs as much as a Competition and it's only an engine retune. Same torque and hardware. Then there's stickier tyres. The rest is eye candy.
@@nessuno5403 Engine retune and stickier tires, exactly. A great driver could probably bridge the gap, assuming that the CS driver was quite average, which is an impossible assumption to accurately make. Also, refrain from calling people champ unless you want to come across as a bit of an ass
@@callumhayes9733 no champ, you're the ass, so it fit
Great depth.. im sure on a higher speed track the difference would be bigger👍
M2cs is the best looking car without doubt outside GT and Supercar territory (yes i know that is subjective opinion). But if i had a chance to select a car for life?, give me the keys of this Mizano blue M2cs DCT. Good handling, practical, superb on the road, and with the enough amount of power to take a smile from your Face everytime you push it a bit harder. This M2cs is a well-rounded car.
Love your vids.
Would you be able to tell us what front spoiler is on the orange M2?
Did you end up finding out? I have the same question.
@@thunderbolt2000k Yes, I asked the owner directly. He said it was made by a company called Maxton.
@@pressplay04 Ah, I know them, I didn't know they made lips for the M2C. Thank you man!
As if i didn’t want an m2 enough, joe films this...
Surely needs a Remus CAT back and M2 CS boot badging in black Joe..
Man that blue is stunning
It would be interesting to see you review Litchfields M2 Comp with their ECU tune. That could be fun😉.
Been looking forward to this 👍
Like Joe, good lad and good videos. BMW CS is poor by BMW let’s be honest, taking the bands with that price with options £80k plus, no way. Get a GT4 and when the recession kicks in you will be better protected in a Porsche. This is like any other M or Competition, it will bomb on price.
Don't think so. The CS is too rare to drop in price. It's the Competition that will devalue because common
Yes, it's truly beautiful in every way, but unless my surname was "Shiek" I just couldn't justify that price.
I noticed Chris Harris loved it too, but you're close to used 911 GT3 cash there, surely. Stunning colour though with those wheels. 👍
The question is..if someone put m2 competition badges on both cars and you drove them could you tell the difference between them..also i work at the port and see all the new bmws..man theu have came out with some crazy colors lol..neon green, flat grey, neon orange, red, emerald green (my favorite) etc.
The BMW M2CS flies, so fast...unlike the birdie @ 23.19 and whats left of it @ 24.06 on the left of the track ...RIP my fluttery friend... :(
Lovely stuff Joe!
Yes if you believe in old school motoring like M3 E46 type of Cars
CS wheel is the best that bmw offers! 👏
M2, M2 Competition, M2 CS. Put all cars on the same tyres, there will be more or less no difference in time. It is a shame from BMW. CS can only be justified by the prestige/looks, for sure not the performance.
Drive an M3 CS next to a standard or comp M3, you’ll feel the differences.
Wrong. The M2 CS is every bit as good as the Cayman GT4 on track: th-cam.com/video/YOWqQzLa6yY/w-d-xo.html
bongmist nah porsche is a porsche
@@ms8725 Your comment literally adds nothing.
I’ve seen one for sale for over £90k!
No way your paying that, the difference between a Stock and a CS is to much.
You can have an eventuri intake, performance exhaust, down pipe, up rated brakes, Re-map to your M2 Comp and still have £15k change Before you get near the CS.
Omg just realised I pulled up next to you in my m240i (white) in Guildford!
Haha yes mate! Lovely looking car buddy, think you said you had just picked her up 👌
Yes mate completely in love with it!
Love my 2021 M2C ill never get rid of it.
Something off with the colours on Matt's footage...? Or just forgot the colour grading ;)
Get that beer out Joe. Ohh . Ice cold beer . Dam it's hot here. 42 c
Looking forward to sinking some beers later this eve :-)
How reliable are BMW adaptive suspension parts? A track set and street set of tires may be a way to smooth out the roads in the UK for less moola. 🤷🏼♂️
what a beast the m2 cs is but id rather have a 718 gt4
Over 70k for an M2 is just insane no matter how many tid bits are on it! The sweet spot for most people has always been the M240i, not as special but with a stage 1 remap you have 90% of the performance for a heck of a lot less money. It's just a money making exercise where people must have the latest thing imo
M240i is a brilliant car and arguably a better daily with softer ride and the ZF box. And yes with a small remap is just as quick in a straight line. But, It will never be 90% of any M2, totally different animals, the M2 isn't about straight line pace, it's about handling, until you've driven both cars on track, you wouldn't realise the Titanic gal between them.
@@JoeAchilles1 the only experience with a proper M car I've had is in the passenger seat of an M4 driven by tiff off 5th gear. I own a 340i stage 1 and while confident I could be near on the straights, for track work the 340i would fall to pieces and handling/brakes are where the money goes. It just seems like a lot when BMW offer amazing cars lower in the range. My next car is likely to be the new m550i really looking forward to your review on it 😀
@@johnjackson12 yeah that's basically the difference between the regular fast BM's like your lovely 340i or any of the recent M.... Variants, brilliant and capable cars for the money, just as quick as M cars for daily duties etc, but the M cars come alive when pushed beyond their limits. I do agree the CS is expensive, especially comparing it to my comp which can be had new (with current discounts) for less than £50k 👌
@@johnjackson12 been owning m340i for just few months and while it had good response in sport plus I couldnt really get used with its size and weight. Also the steering wheel is a little numb and heavy. Personally I still have good memories about m2 handling and power the only downside was the harsh ride in some bad asphalts.
Dream car ....great review
Tuners can you do better for the price difference between comp and .cs and by how much, what's different even if its an obvious one?
Joe, maybe next time You could make comparison: M2 CS vs Cayman GT4...
That would be the dream 👌