@@man-wr8yl ah ok, i see. at the moment it is becoming more fashionable for historical solid lance housting again, as most people opted fro Grand Bascinets before. historically it is the most used jousting specific helm from about 1420 onwards, although this depends a little on where you draw the line to call it a frogmouth
it is specific for jousting, in fact specific for the 'Gestech', ie the joust of peace with coronels. This means it is a version of helmet that is quite restrictive. Breathing is actually pretty good, but practical vision is very limited. the centre of gravity is very much elevated. there are war helmets that have a similar shape(like the bow of a ship) but they are not attached in the same way to the body and the head of the rider is not attached into the helmet in the same way. This makes them much easier to use in war. Those usually are also lighter. this is about 12mm thick in the face at the thickest point. so yes, dedicated sports equipment.
I just thought of another reason, than ventilation, to have one of those doors that are sometimes on the right cheek of the helm; to see where the lance is when it's handed to you. :-)
it is only 9-12 kg depending on the crest, fully set up, i think, the bare steel is just like the original in the Royal Armouries at 7,7 kg or so, but then the rest of the stuff is added. it is pretty doable. my 13th century stuff the helmets i wear simultaneously weigh 7,6 kg as well, but that sits right on your head itself.
the issue with holes is that they significantly detract from the strength, so it would seriously be a problem. now this is mostly on the left side, and we do see windows on the right. nevertheless it would not solve all the problems. -vision is only slightly better with breaths -ventilation is not an issue to begin with -you can still not turn your head or tip it -the weight is still just as big and just as high up, so it is just as hard to use precise seat aids. So the main drawback... yeah.. i can see how you would call that the vision downwards, but it is not really that much better with breaths.
that is usually the assumption. In particular this type of helm that you buckle on your own back and has a suspension liner and can be even heavier. having said that.... there are definite field helmets that are the same weight, that are buckled to the back (grand bascinets) and perhaps there are suspension liners too, just that i can't think off them. the other thing is that there is a frogmouthed shape of helmet that might very well be used in a field hlemet anyway, and they might be very hard to distinguish in iconography. the Grand bascinet, usually defined to have a visor, can still be shaped and fuctioning within the frogmouths.
Beautiful white horse
i personally think that the frogmouth helm has the most drip
not entirely sure what you mean with 'drip'
i mean i think it looks the most fashionable
@@man-wr8yl ah ok, i see.
at the moment it is becoming more fashionable for historical solid lance housting again, as most people opted fro Grand Bascinets before.
historically it is the most used jousting specific helm from about 1420 onwards, although this depends a little on where you draw the line to call it a frogmouth
Wow, that must be really unmobile and hard to see in it and probably hard to breathe, but looks like some of the strongest helmets ever made
it is specific for jousting, in fact specific for the 'Gestech', ie the joust of peace with coronels.
This means it is a version of helmet that is quite restrictive. Breathing is actually pretty good, but practical vision is very limited.
the centre of gravity is very much elevated.
there are war helmets that have a similar shape(like the bow of a ship) but they are not attached in the same way to the body and the head of the rider is not attached into the helmet in the same way. This makes them much easier to use in war.
Those usually are also lighter.
this is about 12mm thick in the face at the thickest point.
so yes, dedicated sports equipment.
Love seeing this! Thanks for the inspiration!
thank you so much, it was a very spur of the moment thing
I just thought of another reason, than ventilation, to have one of those doors that are sometimes on the right cheek of the helm; to see where the lance is when it's handed to you. :-)
There is no ventilation on the left side so a lance point doesn't catch in it.
@@MinSredMash but the doors are on the right, they do make a difference also in communication, but largely it is for vision, i would say
It would be so interesting if there were historically appropriate music to accompany the videos.
looks MASSIVE. like a little push would tip you right over
it is only 9-12 kg depending on the crest, fully set up, i think, the bare steel is just like the original in the Royal Armouries at 7,7 kg or so, but then the rest of the stuff is added.
it is pretty doable. my 13th century stuff the helmets i wear simultaneously weigh 7,6 kg as well, but that sits right on your head itself.
@airnt you should do a video of how the liner and such fits in the helm/ ties in. I've yet to find a video of someone setting up and putting one on.
ok, well, hopfully soon we should have a second version to show the comparison to, i might try that.
One of the primary downsides to the frogmouth could easily be fixed by having like 5-6 small holes on each side
the issue with holes is that they significantly detract from the strength, so it would seriously be a problem.
now this is mostly on the left side, and we do see windows on the right.
nevertheless it would not solve all the problems.
-vision is only slightly better with breaths
-ventilation is not an issue to begin with
-you can still not turn your head or tip it
-the weight is still just as big and just as high up, so it is just as hard to use precise seat aids.
So the main drawback... yeah.. i can see how you would call that the vision downwards, but it is not really that much better with breaths.
I didn't know that the lapp rode a horse.
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Looks impractical for close combat, would this only be used for formal jousting?
that is usually the assumption.
In particular this type of helm that you buckle on your own back and has a suspension liner and can be even heavier.
having said that.... there are definite field helmets that are the same weight, that are buckled to the back (grand bascinets) and perhaps there are suspension liners too, just that i can't think off them.
the other thing is that there is a frogmouthed shape of helmet that might very well be used in a field hlemet anyway, and they might be very hard to distinguish in iconography.
the Grand bascinet, usually defined to have a visor, can still be shaped and fuctioning within the frogmouths.