Did council official Jackie Weaver actually have the authority?
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- Never mind Bridgerton, have you seen the latest episode of Handforth Parish Council planning and environment committee, extraordinary meeting, December 10? (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
The Zoom recording has made a star of Jackie Weaver for the way she ruthlessly dealt with councillors she considered to be disruptive.
Ms Weaver isn't a councillor, but had been invited as a troubleshooter. As chief officer of the Cheshire Association of Local Councils, she's been dubbed the Winston Wolf of Cheshire local government.
We went forth to Handforth.
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"Did council official Jackie Weaver actually have the authority?"
Not a question you'll find answered in this video.
Thanks for saving me the time
But I need to know!!!
@@kirstyfuller2085 same
Channel Four News has become a joke 👎🏽
Thanks, I wont bother watching, I'll also give them a dislike for the clickbaiting BS.
"The council will decide your fate"
Jackie Weaver : *I AM THE COUNCIL*
When things were at their very worst:
2 Suns, Cross in the sky, 2 comets will collide = don`t be afraid - repent, accept Lord`s Hand of Mercy.
The first sign - the Earth will spin faster.
The second sign concerns the sun, which will loom larger, brighter and begin to spin.
Scientists will say it was a global illusion.
Beaware - Jesus will never walk in flesh again.
After WW3 - rise of the “ man of peace“ from the East = Antichrist - the most powerful, popular, charismatic and influential leader of all time. Many miracles will be attributed to him. He will imitate Jesus in every conceivable way.
Don`t trust „pope“ Francis = the False Prophet
- will seem to rise from the dead
- will unite all Christian Churches and all Religions as one.
One World Religion = the seat of the Antichrist.
Benedict XVI is the last true pope - will be accused of a crime of which he is totally innocent.
- banking collapse was deliberately masterminded by the Antichrist
- Antichrist will step in and create a false peace in the state of Israel by joining them with palestine in an unlikely alliance.
- „He will recite extracts from My Teachings, which he will passionately proclaim from every secular stage in the world, until people sit up and take notice of him.“
The Book of Truth
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mdmlastprophet.com/arab-uprising-will-spark-global-unrest-italy-will-trigger-fall-out/
'The council will decide your 'fete''.
Weaverismists will deserve this as an opportunity to overthrow democracy.
@@josephka5149 shut up schizo
@@josephka5149 HUH
"Until now, best known for its big Tesco"
I genuinely could not be happier with this reporting. Getting to the facts.
samantha,john has just done you
Best part🤣🤣🤣
Handforth Dean. It's been there for ages
Shitty wee town obviously 😂
Sounds like something Alan Partridge would say
This is on par with the fall of the French monarchy
So... Entertaining?
"Let them eat ...wifi!"
Lol
No, this is just barking behind fences
The fall of the french monarchy was a far less important event
"Read them and understand them!" is definitely "This is Sparta!" type energy.
"This is madness"
"This. Is. Handsworth!"
he went from Ashley Peacock to Sparta so fast
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@@da-p6814 it’s true!! 🤣🤣
shes sold the rights to the next Parish Council meeting to Netflix.
"Don't try it Jackie weaver, I have the high ground."
Jackie "You underestimate my power"
You're analogy fails when Jackie boots the old boy. He should have cut her up, like Kenobi did to Skywalker...
@@mtop6867 or on another Star Wars theme, in a Darth Vader voice: "Barry, I am your authority".
Type in the search bar above....'Echoes of Jackie Weaver'
*I AM the council*
I AM the Parish...
“Read them and understand them”
“So you have chosen death”
Justice for julie’s I pad
most underrated parish council member
The way it started with the guy facing the wall, u knew it wid be downhill soon
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In the version I watched, 12 seconds in someone muttered "f**k off" under their breath, and that set the tone going forwards!
Murghahahaha!!! Ahh! That’s hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂
The "lowest" level of local government 🤣
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in more ways than one 😆
Usually discuss allotments and Christmas lights. Can you imagine a more boring meeting.
Those men don’t think that !! They all need anger management
@@geoffwatches - yep, but not during planning.
I hope Julie called back the person who called her during the meeting. Does anyone know if she did?
ugh, now I am even more confused. Did Jackie Weaver have the authority? Yes or no? Was she doing anything illegal? Yes or no? Why the accusation of illegality? There's almost ZERO context to understand this.
Yes she shouldn't have removed that man
So I think the backstory is that the councillors wanted to hold a meeting but chair whose role it is to hold meeting refused. He had also apparently been disruptive in the past to the point of being kicked of another call. So Jackie Weaver was brought in from another council as an outsider to help moderate/keep the peace. The chair who refused to hold the meeting decided to attend the meeting and basically question everyone's authority and said the meeting was illegal. Basically he was being difficult for the sake of being difficult. Jackie was essentially caught in crosshairs and essentially carried out her role as moderator by booting off the guys who were being rude and disrespectful.
There are no points and the rules are made up. -small government in a nutshell.
@@cameronarmstrong6854 He was in breach of the code of conduct for members, by the rules he should have ejected himself. Alas nobody anticipated a chair to disrupt the meeting. Under employment law he basically just exposed the council to a bullying and harassment claim.
He also put himself in a catch 22 procedurally. If, as he claimed the meeting wasn’t lawful, then he had no authority to chair it, it would be just a random zoom meeting. He probably would have been better off boycotting with his supporters it to deny the meeting quorum.
@@technicalvault Wrong. The standing orders require the chair to first official note disruption and then there is a vote on the next steps. If he did not officially note them, which he didn't, then there could be no vote or any actions taken. Especially not by an unelected clerk.
Me at 3AM: I should probably go to sleep.
My recommended: did Jackie weaver really have authority? *I don’t need sleep I need answers*
That didn’t answer the question
From what I gather:she didn't really have "authority" as such. But everything the chairman was saying was incorrect. He has no say on what items are on the agenda that would be Jackie's job as clerk (the clerk is usually also the proper officer. So he was wrong about that too) the clerk is a sort of impartial person in these precedings and according to this video she was brought in because complaints had been made about the chairman not doing the job appropriately. Which seems about right given his reaction.
It would normally be the chairman's job to remove rude people from the meetings but it is also the chairman's job not to get in an argument so I guess she took the right action? I can't see any info on the authority of the vice chair which makes me think that might be a position only some parishes have
@@fallingwithjess8803 like Doug Wilson in Weeds?
@@fallingwithjess8803 Looool, who made her in charge of removing people. She's a clown, power tripping because she had the ability to remove people 🤔
@@farzana6676 as the clerk she would be the one in charge of removing people. It's just she isn't supposed to have the power to remove councillors, only councillors can remove other councillors. She can only do that if instructed to.
in a world of Aled’s iPad’s, be a John Smith
Gang gang bruh 😂😂 Aled is a menace
No be a man like Aled who cares about democracy not a slimeball john
I love how she emphasised 'lowest' level of democracy
Channel 4 in 3 months time: and how let's watch everyone's favorite comedy series "the parish"
There is already a parish the thought parody !
"This Country" on the BBC has some similar themes, and is hilarious
Watch Vicar Of Dibley. That has a funny parish council 😊
“Is this the right room for an argument?”
“I’ve already told you once!”
“No you haven’t..”
“Yes I have!”
So after all that, you didn’t even tell us; did council official Jackie Weaver actually have the authority?
We must know!
Read the standing orders. READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM!!!
Exactly what I was thinking... but I guess they implied it's a no...?
Neil Taylor : No she didn't ! Or any morals, as she leaked the video!
No she did he. I read the standing order, sought legal advice, and can assure you she had no authority, but she did instigate the zoom call so none of that mattered 😂
Thank you for posing a question and then not answering it. Waste of 3:12.
Three and a quarter minutes of my life I will never get back.
The answer was no.
I’m sure people of Handforth will give her authority after this for sure! The gasp after “read them and understand them” made me chuckle so hard 😂😂
I am people of handforth
@@olliewilko8013 YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY 🤣🤣🤣
@@MJ18888 its actually pretty important... she wasnt even on the council.. its like a secretary at a investment firm locking the boss out of his office and selling stocks on the market.
@@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o She didn't have the authority to kick him, but the meeting was called legally.
@@ptgf1279 need a majority to call a meeting. there wasnt a majority. thats why its "illegal". very big quotation marks around that though, as its not a crime.
Jackie has pushed that small council over the edge. 💀😂
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"Read them and understand them!" 😂
Hahaha!
This is Sparta!!!
Dude could be an amazing fucking actor not gonna lie
Arrogant old men and women, what could go possibly wrong 😑
Nah, they're just english
Nah they are boomers...... Responsible for the state of the the country you now live in!
@@sailaway8244 no that's millennials and generation z
@@StoutProper it's unfair to blame gen z they are far to young, and are actually waking up to this sh#te! Don't disagree with your millennial viewpoint though! Academic Agent has done a good breakdown on boomer generation entitled "boomer truth regime" Well worth a look, he's also touched on gen x, millennials and zoomers if you are interested!
@@sailaway8244 I was only half joking. Never heard of him I'll have a gander thanks. Although in reality this generation feud is just being used the same way as identity politics, its a means to split the population abs keep them arguing amongst themselves so they don't unify shape the people who are actually responsible for it all
Brilliant 🤣🤣 oh wish my work online meetings were like this 🤣🤣
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"It's not possible for you to do that, Jackie"
Jackie: "Darling, you have no idea what's possible"
hehehe Thors sister
“The chairman hasn’t attended any meetings for 6 months. The fact that there hasn’t been any meetings is irrelevant.” 🤣😂
The chairman had been refusing to call the meetings. Guess you missed that bit.
@@ThortheMerciless do you know what the subject matter of the meeting was?
@@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o I cannot recall the exact details, but two councillors had been trying to call a planning meeting about something and the Chairman had been refusing, which amusingly is in contravention of the standing orders.
@@ThortheMerciless i think i heard they were planning to abolish the parish council and merge it in with another.
this meeting was done to effectively veto the decision... no credible sources though. just heresay. why i asked. and thats what she meant by "they did everything through the proper channels" but did what? whatever they did was denied... democratically... by elected people...
me personally, without too much conviction.. think she is at fault due to the lack of information.
"all we wanted to do was some (insert good deed here)"
would've been put as the headline, if it were something as such.
@@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o They (the two councillors) called the meeting; that's what she meant. Councillors cannot abolish Parish Councils; that would take parish boundary changes, which I think is in the remit of Westminster.
Is Jackie Weaver related to Ronnie Pickering !
Ronnie Pickering!! Haven’t heard that name in a while - ‘ do you know who I am!? ‘ I’m Ronnie Pickering ‘ 🤣
C'mon let's have a bare knuckle then
They were each others first loves
Aled more like
Why would she be? She seems calm and reasonable, the opposite of Ronnie Pickering.
This is literally the closest thing to a real life Lord of The Rings I have ever seen.
Jackie Weaver has no authority here (my wife decides everything for me).
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Perhaps you should ask her to join as a troubleshooter next time you zoom call your wife
Not just parish councils, but committees of every description (e.g. sports clubs) often have two people like the chairman and vice-chairman here. The first is someone who has held the position for years and treats it as his personal fiefdom; the second is his toady, who has made it his job to learn the rules by heart and use them to stifle any opposition (often by amending them to suit). Anyone who has come across this before will recognise these people and feel great sympathy for the indomitable, the formidable, the fantabulous Jackie Weaver.
Those who get caught up in the question of whether she had the authority are missing the point.
It reminds me of all those boring appartment owner meetings.
If you’re not already a writer, you should be.
So was she brought in to help facilitate the meeting because there were previous issues? Something tells me there’s a back story to this meeting and we need to know!!!
TLDR the "angry" people wanted to merge parish councils with another.
the "not angry" people who the media is taking the side of, wanted to keep this parish council because they had better opportunities to claw at power there than if it were merged with another.
who do you think is in the wrong?
@@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o well I’m not taking a position as I don’t know the situation, and I didn’t comment on sides. If she has been brought into facilitate (so is neutral, and isn’t taking sides, as indicated in the recording) then wasting time shouting and arguing points of authority isn’t useful. It seems she was there to help after previous meetings had collapsed into shouting. Who do I think is wrong? No one comes out of this looking good
@@Vonononie she had kicked them from previous meetings, she was an instigator not a de-escalator.
"You have no power here, Jackie Weaver."
My favourite part is how she's never just Jackie, she's always addressed by her full name like the folk hero she now is.
I would actually watch a reality show about these guys 🤣🤣
Christmas dinner at the local old people's home.
Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of. And unto this, Jackie Weaver, destined to bear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow. It is I, his chronicler, who alone can tell thee of her saga. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
By Crom!
Does anyone get 'Ever Decreasing Circles ', vibes from this? Truly I laughed so hard, and I haven't been laughing much lately.
When nobodys have the smallest amount of power
The title of this video is "Did council official Jackie Weaver actually have the authority?". The video did not answer this question - did I miss it? Talk about click-bait! Typical Channel 4 News!!
No. You should know why some headlines are questions.
It's a bit of a gap in your knowledge.
No one is clear - she was presumably brought in due to the parish council not functioning properly and arranged the meeting at the request of a couple of councillors. So she was acting as an officer not an elected councillor - and then she proceeded to dethrone the elected Chair and Vice Chair without a vote. While the current Chair and Vice Chair seemed to be somewhat aggressive you can possibly understand why - as she was an unelected bureaucrat and they were 'elected' councillors. Doesn't excuse their rude behaviour though.
@@martinmitchell7280 It does excuse their rude behaviour. This woman was tripping. If it were a physical meeting. She would be carried and thrown out the door.
@@farzana6676 What rubbish. If this was a physical meeting she wouldn't have gone on her own, because she was there to uphold democracy, which was being denied by the pompous prats in charge.
@@martinmitchell7280 No. She kicked the prats off the zoom call before the meeting started, in order that a meeting could actually happen.
The video doesn't answer the title question. Presumably if Jackie weaver is unelected and was there simply to aid as a meeting clerk, she shouldn't have the power to silence the chair or vice chair, let alone forcibly remove them from the room, which is what she did.
Perhaps it's good evidence there are too many levels of government though. County and city councils are necessary, but parish councils rarely talk anything of any import. Waste of time and resources, and brings self important fools into important decisions.
Yeh but weirdly enough the meeting had not technically started when she did that so that is a grey area
So after spending the entire video praising Weaver and rubbing her ego, in the final seconds you finally answer the question in a drawn out way and declare that Jackie Weaver didn't have any authority and she was in fact in the wrong.
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“Little Hitlers” 😂😂😂😂😂
All on weed
and they say we don't have culture in Britain
I've worked for local council. Everyone is just after getting whatever they can for themselves out of their budgets. Dodgy councillors, dodgy contractors all doing each other favours, and it's blatant. I worked for a shifty building contractor, that had nowhere near the resources to keep up with the amount of properties they were responsible for, and by the end they and the council were desperately trying to bury each other as chickens started coming home to roost. The council knew the situation, and appointed them because it they were cheap, and other arrangements 😉
I’m so invested ! I want another meeting now 😂
Reminded me of Midsomer murders.
Good call!
idk why but the ‘Julie’s I pad’ is so funny
"it represents the lowest level of government that deal with hanging baskets 😂😂"
This was tame compared to some of the city council meetings I’ve seen in California...some of our local meetings are downright scary lol
Ugh , that vice chair is a piece of work
This Jackie Weaver is batshit crazy.
@@farzana6676 Yeah, great isn’t it !!
1:19 to 1:30 is by far RADA audition quality, the power and anguish in this man's voice
Everyone : I want to speak the manager
Jackie Weaver : I am the Manager
Jackie Weaver IS Britney Spears !
I love my parish council. Always inviting new ideas............. so long as nothing changes!
Im here for the comments🤣🤣🤣🤣
If the people who called the meeting did not have the authority to call a meeting of the Parish Council, then it was not actually a Parish Council Meeting. The people who possibly had the authority to start the meeting never did start it, it seems.
"Could I ask you to be respectful to Jackie Weaver please?" aaahaha...........AHAHAAHAHAAH!!!
I'm pretty sure I heard a toilet flush at one point in the edited video.
Yes, you did...
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She never had the authority to begin with she overstepped her boundaries
Channel 4 news: asking the important questions and then failing to answer them.
"Did council official Jackie Weaver actually have the authority?" agreed!
She’s not unqualified,she’s one of the most knowledgeable and respected person in Cheshire her training courses are second to none.Mallie
Know them and understand them.
The plot twist with Handforth PC Clerk is like something from an M. Night Shyamalan film
Aled: am in charge
Jackie weaver: do you feel in charge?
Small groups of power hungry “councilors” need to be exposed like this..they are everywhere.
the million dollar question, which of them are the power trippers? were those outbursts of intolerance, or frustration?
considering the meetings were being held to CANCEL a merge with another parish council, i'd say the PERSONAL GAIN incentive doesnt lie with those who made "outbursts" but with those who were kicking them out of the call.
"I love democracy"
Did they end up sorting out the local allotments then?
Did the meeting ever start??
I think Sky News explained the situation better. They interviewed Jackie
take one side of the story and not the other.. yes... good reporting..
did they also report on the subject of the meeting?
From one parish council to another, this type of conduct and behaviour is very common
0:16, 02:10 what camera and lense was used?
Chairman to Jackie Weaver
‘You have no authority here!’
Jackie Weaver to Chairman-
‘So you have chosen death.......’
"best known for its big tesco" HAHAHA
This video doesn’t actually tell me if she had the authority to do that or not, but it might be they did and I might have missed it
No you didn't..its click bait at it worse!!.😠💥💩
Both sides of the argument are wrong, she didn't have the authority to kick out the chairman and take over as she did, and they shouldn't have raised their voices and acted like they did either.
What? How can you do this?! This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can you be on the council and not be a Chairman?!
Ive been at this.... 48 hours ..no sleep... for God's sake. Did Jackie have the Authority or what??????
From what I can gather, no. She was there to keep everyone civil it seems, which gave her no reason to speak out of turn when everyone was being perfectly civil, which is precisely what kicked everything off. It also seems this isn't the first time this has happened.
Authority or not Aled Brewerton's behavior is absolutely atrocious. Businessmen/women wouldnt act like that in a meeting. What gives him the right for his outburst. Should be removed from his position
How about a tyrant trying to illegally take power
He was right because Weaver was playing the role of the chair. She was not even elected.
Weaver's behaviour was appalling, power tripping on power she was not even entitled to.
@@jgreen2015 A "tyrant"... Bit OTT that statement. She isnt hitler. She kicked people behaving badly at a meeting. It was unacceptable behavior. From what I have found regarding this the chair had the chance to set it up himself, thus removing the problem.
@@farzana6676 Theres a very famous saying called "two wrongs dont make a right". Yelling and acting like children is also not going to solve anything. I stand by my statement. If anyone spoke like that at a board meeting at work I would expect them to be disciplined accordingly and this is no different.
@@CFHChRiSCFH not really. Trying to take power sway from an elected official is tyrannical. You dont get to do that in a democracy
she does seem to have chucked them out of the meeting, and then shared it on social media
i assume there's some sort of equality campaign though where women's rights activists will make some sort of big deal of it
Hey, as an American who found this gold mine (and can't really comment or judge on UK politics/government since I don't live there and don't know the current goings on), I just take it for the dank meme that it actually is 😂
Handforth Parish Council should start broadcasting its meetings weekly.
These people have serious psychological issues for even wanting to be a councillor.
Would anyone like to "report" about what the subject of the meeting was supposed to be?
Obviously not "hanging baskets, christmas lights or allottments"? Why was the chair refusing to let two councillors call a meeting in the first place? Does anyone understand how to report a story, instead of framing it in terms of reality TV?
I went to the handforth parish council website & it does mention something that is interesting (though I obviously do not know if this is a part of the argument) "The most recent referrals relate to suggestions that some members of Handforth Parish Council have purported to take decisions that are plainly unlawful, and these decisions have resulted in expenditure of public funds.'
Watched the whole clip released and honestly the chair and the vice chairman were absolutely nasty and condisending pricks towards Jackie and other members, once they were ejected the rest of the members could actually discuss things.
Problem is, she did break the law by removing elected members. Clerk has no authority over the council.
She has the authority to not accept being spoken to like that. Egos were flared and it wasn’t necessary. I hope the angry vice chairman guy was sectioned and sedated. Disgusting behaviour.
@@twinny555 well from what the clip says she was there to facilitate ... well, she was constantly interrupted by the chair as she did her introduction, so we don't entirely know what her role was. As far as I know you can eject any member of the council from a meeting if they behave like that. Towards the end other councillors discussed allowing either chair or vice chairman ( after cool down?) But they said no. Not just on Jackie.
@@annifridsl04 it's worrying that people still don't see the men's behaviours as anything particularly wrong.
@@goblinwisdom Why are you trying to impose your hatred for men onto a heated dispute between councillors over legalities?
The reason people think this is acceptable behaviour from the chair of the parish council is because they're not looking at the dispute from a biased, sexist, hatred filled, point-of-view, like you for example.
Just stop projecting your sexist viewpoint upon others. All men aren't evil, all disputes between males and females aren't discriminatively driven. A man is allowed to disagree with a female!
"Read them and understand them!" If he was my professor and he said that exact line to me I will be shaking right now.
This is the best debate I’ve ever seen
Can't wait for the Jackie Weaver memes!
I think it's this lockdown turning people batsh*t crazy 😂
Oh no, having been on a couple of committees theres always one or two who are full of their self importance.
People have been batsh*t crazy LOOOONG before COVID.
Some people on the local parish council in my village are exactly like this... and I don't even have to go to a meeting to know that.
Don't you people understand? Jackie Weaver has gone absolutely MAD with power. She must be stopped before she kicks us ALL out.
But she has no power! Jackie Weaver is not a council member she's just an administrator who was there to help with issues, she staged a coup in an attempt to take over Handforth Parish Council.
Sounds like Handforth is a rouge parish 😂
Oh no they’re all like this behind closed doors 😭😂
Why a rouge parish? Too made up?
A Handful, some might say.
O give me a pity,
I'm on a committee, Which means that from morning to night
We attend and amend and contend and defend,
Without a conclusion in sight.
We confer and concur,
we defer and demur,
And reiterate all of our thoughts.
We revise the agenda
with frequent addenda,
And consider a load of reports.
We compose and propose,
we suppose and oppose,
And the points of procedure are fun.
But though various notions
are brought up a motions,
There's terribly little gets done.
We resolve and absolve,
but never dissolve, Since it's out of the question for us.
What a shattering pity to end our committee, Where else could we make such a fuss!
"Best know for it's big Tesco" 🤣😆😂
I know there are laws that permit this taking control of councils like this, but I have to admit I don't know what they are. The interesting thing here is that being a zoom meeting, Ms. Weaver was able to "throw out" the cllr. at the push of a button. If this had been a normal face to face meeting, she would have had to call the police to remove the cllr from the meeting and it would have been so much more difficult.
She could have used the Force.
I really fear for us a society if Jackie didn't have the authority. Brexit we can handle, coronavirus lockdowns ditto but this.. might break us as a nation 🇬🇧
No. Brexit has failed, and the UK is a failed state. 🇪🇺
LOL, 'This is how it began...' Her narrators voice sounds like theres a meteorite about the size of Jupiter, about to end everything on this rock, 😂😂😂
Or smaller than Jupiter but densely packed like Uranus.
Channel 4 you did not answer the question in your video title! READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT!!
She did not have authority. The chairman and vice chairman have power. She was out of order. And wrongfully kicked out the leaders.
Comedy gold
Them: “Late is the hour in which this conjurer chooses to appear! Ill news is an ill guest.”
Jackie: “Be silent! Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth! I have not passed through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a witless worm.”
As far as I can see, two national television news organisations, Channel 4 and the BBC, have dedicated a moderately serious amount of airtime to report a spat between a pair of Parish councillors. Both seem to think that there is nothing more important happening in the world than a fight over piddling procedures between two complete non-entities. What's worse, both ask, "did she have the authority?" and yet neither answer that question.
Interestingly, both receive funding from the television tax.
Is there a link, we wonder?
What does John Smith say @1:40? I seen this in the best bits too but couldn't make out what was said to get so much laughs