Appreciate the honesty here. In regards to the shortcomings mentioned (1080i, 50 Hz) I wouldn't be surprised if a firmware update comes out in the near future to remedy those. All of the RetroTINK products get pretty nice firmware update support from what I see, so maybe a few updates in I'll grab one of these. I've owned a Framemeister for a few years, so at the moment I'm not needing an upscaler upgrade.
The fact there is a solution to the HDMI dropout during Res switches is a big deal for me but its still not a Full replacement for my OSSC+Frameister setup sadly Definitely the way to go now for people just starting to get old systems up and running on new tvs though.
@@kickflipdemon you can't do 1080i over av (compositre nor s video) cables, this is by design. It needs coponent cables or scxart, not an isue with retrotink.
@@snintendog you can't do 1080i over av (compositre nor s video) cables, this is by design. It needs coponent cables or scxart, not an isue with retrotink.
Let's just hope Mike reacts to that. As a PAL user myself I'm having issues with the RT5X - from what I can tell it doesn't support 5x scaling for 288p signals (which would result in 1440p). It also doesn't support 1080p underscan with PAL signals. Right now I can't recommend it for PAL users.
@@breaKdownINC Damn that's a bit of a shame I hope it gets fixed, once it does it will replace my now-on-it's-last-legs DVDO VP30 combined with OSSC (cause those 2 for me sort of work in tandem to combat each other's shortcomings)
@@nikodem123asdf That's exactly the combination I'm using. I'm very happy that things like the OSSC and the Retrotrink prodcut range exist. It's only a matter of time for something to arrive that will satisfy our needs (for the time...until new needs will arise xD).
@@nikodem123asdf My setup consists of all three devices that MVG showcased in his previous video: a Framemeister, an OSSC, and the cheap SCART to HDMI. I was hoping the 5X could free up some space, but if it doesn't work with PAL content, it's no use to me.
The reason the RT5X isn't working with your PS2 at 1080i is because the PS2 switches its RGB output from RGBS to RGsB (sync-on-green) at 480p and higher, and the RT5X does not support sync-on-green over SCART. As far as the RT5X is concerned, the sync signal just disappeared. That's why Mike suggested using component cables, because the PS2 outputs the same type of sync signal over component for all resolutions. Another solution is using a device that separates sync-on-green, such as the recent gscart switches.
Would like to mention the Retrotink 5X is also sold out until June/July and his online store is closed until May 24th until he can get product out the door.
@@shenrais1248 Subscribe to his Twitter feed @retrotink2 as that's where he puts his announcements. He does have another full time job and other entanglements so I assume that estimate was a rough one. Also, parts are high in demand and low in supply so maybe it will take a little longer to pull everything together. But Mike is not a person to say something like a release window and ignore it. Im sure we will hear something soon, especially judging by his last Tweet saying he has stockpiles of chips for RetroTINK.
It's important to mention that only the first release batch was 275U$D, Mike already said that due to increase in parts costs the next runs will be 300U$D
somehow an increase from $25 to $50 seems outrageous, but $275 to $300 doesn't seem too bad. I'm also thankful not to have to pay VAT in the UK and Europe, which is getting worse, more bureaucratic and confusing- with Brexit.
A few things about this review - For reference i purchased my own unit and i didn't go over some features like downscaling to CRTs, simply because this features is not of any particular interest to me. If you want a much more comprehensive review that covers all features of the RetroTINK 5x Pro - I recommend Retro RGBs here - th-cam.com/video/nwNrqIjxBaA/w-d-xo.html
Hi - great review. Just to flag, the PS2’s higher resolutions didn’t work over SCART as the 5X can’t support RGsB over SCART. (It only does RGBs.) The only way you’ll get the higher resolutions is to use 1) a Component cable or 2) the SCART cable via a GSCART which will convert the RGsB to RGBs.
Just a general comment, that I'm posting on this video because it's the newest one: As a software engineer with an interest in all things retro-game-related, the things you do on this channel are really inspiring to me. I really look up to you. Thanks for all of the great videos, and keep being awesome.
One selling point you didn't mention or test was the RetroTINK's support for S-video which is natively supported by the PS1, N64, and Gamecube and not supported by the OSSC.
Honestly, the Neo Geo footage OSSC vs 5X was night and day in this video, but I understand it doesn't always appear that way on your display while you're playing.
Something like this can absolutely be down to one "capturing better". And on some displays there may be very little difference. But i think the X5 is going to be my next purchase.. Its instant rez adaption is insane.
@@wishusknight3009 For original RE2 players that could be a game changer. I've seen a few videos where the creators ultimately went with emulation to record gameplay because RE2 constantly switched resolutions and messed with their capture cards.
@@grn1 It is honestly going to be a help for vintage PC work too. Seeing post screens that flash by in less than a second while my screen is blanking out playing with wingnuts isn't good.
He is using Generic 4:3 profile on OSSC while using 1080p Over profile on 5x (and probably a Neo Geo profile). Obviously 5x is gonna look sharper, but the same sharpness can be obtained from the OSSC if he used a perfected timing profile.
Instant resolution switch is a game changer. Motion adaptive deinterlacer is nice too: you should be able to just use it and forget, half-framerate high-res games shouldn't suffer from it as they do from bob, and full-framerate hi-res games would get clearer ui elements.
So for those who wonder if resolution switching causes problems in pal consoles: i just tried it with sonic the hedgehog two and streets of rage on the pal sega mega drive and it works perfectly fine, the switching is so fast, you cant even see it properly.. no problems at all, love it so far
The single greatest thing about the RT5X is that MikeChi is communicative and committed to making the 5X be awesome for everybody. I'm 100% certain there'll be firmware fixes for the PAL issues. While some sections of the retro gaming community are content to navel-gaze over cables and arcane settings, Mike has a "Just Play The Damn Game" approach, and RT5X definitely lives up to that mantra. I expect we'll see great things in the near future. Another big feature that you didn't mention is that the RT5X is supposed to output standards-compliant resolutions and timings on the HDMI port, so the compatibility with TVs and most capture cards should be much higher than OSSC.
Any idea how much input lag the 5X pro adds on it's own? I'm interested in buying this to add CRT softness settings to my AVS, SNES & GEN(using retro vision component cables) & Duo.
I thank my lucky stars every day that I can't tell the differences when I'm shown a side by side example like seen in this excellent video. These eyes are saving me a ton of $ not noticing any difference.
MVG starts off my weeks great with a new vid as I wake up and have breakfast before work. I look forward to your videos every monday, no matter what you're talking about. Excellent as always!
My guy you are the goat when it comes to this. Your work is a blueprint for us to resurrect our consoles and save our childhood devices to stand the test of time.
One thing that I notice is a yellowish tint, you can see better in GT4 white menu and when MVG zooms in Art of Fighting menu, the SNK logo has a bit of yellow to it.
@@TheAfroman The RetroTINK-5X is capable of both RGB Full & Limited, while OSSC is only Full. My guess is MVG forgot to set the RetroTINK-5X to Full when showing the noise comparison at 6:32.
I dont think that it doesnt work with pal consoles, maybe this is just for the amiga..i will test it tomorrow with my palconsoles after my retrotink arrived
The previous RetroTink products had excellent 50Hz support, and I bet this does/will too. One thing to keep in mind is that the Amiga supports really weird resolutions that Mike Chi probably wasn't expect 99% of people to be using it with. Maybe keep an eye on what the firmware looks like? You also should see if anyone else running PAL content is running into these issues, or if it's mostly just the Amiga.
@@chimnino well in Europe SCART was the big thing (expecially with TVs... every TV had SCART imputs until 4k TVs). Component cables were basically never considered here, since (if one disliked the inferior composite cables provided with many game consoles) RGB through SCART was the best solution possible. I think you know that SCART (I mean RGB) and composite cables (or better said YPbPr) basically output the same quality, with the SCART being slighty better if ay all. Therefore your suggestion is wrong (and would only apply for US citizens). You know, not everyone lives in the US
A quick note about the slight difference in noise you demonstrated in the Neo Geo capture: it looks like your OSSC is in generic mode as the output looks significantly softer than the 5X in that example, which I believe is masking a lot of the noise. I would wager that if you set up optimal phase for the Neo Geo, the noise levels would look almost identical to what you see coming through the 5X
Yeah for the pound sterling equivalent of what the Retrotink 5X Pro cost I was able to buy an Xbox One X. With Developer Mode enabled it will actually emulate a lot of the things here and also can back compat in regular mode for X360/original Xbox. Still a neat device if you are a retrothusiast gamer with deep pockets though, for sure.
@@dummymannequin7272 honestly don't get upscaling in most scenario's. I play on the original console so I don't have lag and everything works like it should've when it was released. Old consoles like nes up to gc I play on a CRT. To get the most real picture the developers had in mind when making the game. Since they where actually made on a CRT. If you want to play in 4k, just use emulation it's honestly probably better than upscaling a fuzzy game 5 times. I guess some people just don't really like CRTs with i get, but why just not play emulator than. The only reason would be nostalgia factor and ease of use i guess.
Appreciate the honest review, and highlighting the good, as well as the 'could be better'. As someone who has no upscaler at the moment, and is in the market for one, I get the impression I could do a lot worse than this, and while it's not perfect(what is), it's a very good piece of equipment. Thanks for laying out what to expect. And many thanks for your awesome work on Shantae. Played it many years ago, and it's awesome to get to relive those memories on the Switch. From a fan of the game from long ago....I want to commend you on a job well done!
I'm glad we have more options than the Framemeister these days, I remember back when that thing came out I thought it was the coolest piece of tech ever.
Been waiting for the OSSC Pro but the quick resolution switching of the RetroTINK 5X is really tempting as it may finally remedy the dreaded CronoCross menu switching
He is right for those that got the OSSC and Framemeisters this is a hard sell but i would recommend this over those 2 just on Price alone and availability as well at least for Real hardware junkies otherwise the Mister is shaping up very well might wait until the cores are finished or if a "project mister2" on a stronger FPGA comes out.
@@Clay3613 yes but so does the retrotink 5 your point? and if you actually read what i wrote i said OSSC+Frameister they cover what the other lacks and that combo is what i am basing the argument over the Retrotink 5. the OSSC right now is 170 USD before shipping and the RT5 is 275 before shipping for reference. If it was just the OSSC vs RT5 the RT5 wins hands down for versatility and deinterlacing but for us that have BOTH it is a hard ass sell for a sidegrade the next retrotink will most likely sell to us as a major upgrade. and even then i have a feeling the need for linedoubling alone is gonna stay for the ossc. As it is the res switching is a MAJOR deal for us but with the amount of money placed into our setup already it makes it feel the need to have a bit more to justify the buy and with the lack of the HDMI in for the digital adapter we have for a few consoles it cant replace our Frameister yet. The way most people have their consoles right now is↓ Console RGB/COMP/Digital HDMI mod IE GCHD Eon/Xbox Chimeric HDMI>OSSC for LineDouble>Framiester for HDMI cleanup(alot of tvs suck at seeing nonstandard res or timings)>TV OR Console>Composite/Svid/Scart RGB or COMP Interlaced and progressive>Framemeister for Scaling The RetroTink 5x can handle the Second one Handily but falls to the purely digital out we have on more of the not quite retro systems.
@@snintendog The OSSC literally costs half as much and is currently in stock, so not sure what you mean when you say the 5x beats it on price and availability... Also the mister isn't even a de-interlacer, it's an emulator.
The one thing that I do hope will be added via Firmware update is the smoothing filter. Useful for Composite & S-Video signals for 3D games, it's a shame to see it missing here when it's present on all of the much cheaper RetroTINK devices. I am very curious to know why it was omitted on the 5X.
The positives far outweigh the negatives here. I definitely have no interest in the Amiga so that's not a deal breaker and neither is the issue with Gran Turismo 4. This will definitely end up replacing the OSSC for a lot of people.
You know it's good when the Framemeister's resale value collapses like 50-70% in the space of a couple of months (which the OSSC never seemed to do much to bring down)
Even though you're joking, you stumbled onto the reality of these dirt bags. They're all a bunch of scam artists feeding each other. You know baldie actually stole Switch input code and tried to pass it off as his own until he got caught, right? He's a charlatan.
Retrotink 5x is the best upscaler i ever bought. This box is a beast. The PS2 and Dreamcast graphics looks amazing. A must buy for retro gaming. Its very expensive though.
@@vincent3340 It's 300USD now but it's out of stock. 300USD + 20USD shipping + VAT + customs. It's way too much for me where I live (Central Europe). If they could make a store somwhere in Europe, I could buy this product
On Twitter it seems Mike (or whoever runs their twitter account anyways) is already looking to buy an Amiga to fix those issues and stuff so that's some good shit too! I love a company that responds to feedback like that. I hope to improve my retro console collection soon and this seems like a pretty great all around product for what I would need anyways so i'll add that to the inevitable list, thank MVG for the thorough video as always! Also it's kinda insane how amazing Gran Turismo looked!
@@ericvisser5253 Very true, lets hope that our generation in charge of executive positions in electronic manufacturers push this idea through as a standard, obviously until something else takes over! 🤓👍
wow it's pretty impressive ! OSSC here.... RetroTINK 5x Pro is a rather stable product right now... i guess it can be improved .... Sure the OSCC pro is coming (350 / 400 EURO ?? ouch.....) Since I have already an existing solution, I'll wait for the OSSC pro... and compare with this product.... But pretty cool to have a nice "plug and play" scaler, easy to use !!!
Interesting video. I was testing mine a few days ago and it worked with every PAL game that I tried through a SCART RBG-cable from RetroGamingCables (CSYNC Cables, all of them, PS2/WII/Gamecube). BUT, I had this issue running some of my Wii Virtual Console games that were running in 240p (A link to the Past, for example). The ones running in 480i were fine though...
That's good to know that it works with retro gaming cables, I was wondering whether their was a compatibility issue with sync. Do you use a switcher? I'm getting a gscartsw and wondering which cables to get with a combination gscartsw and retrotink 5x
Mine is ordered and awaiting to be shipped. I'm super pumped to get it. Mike absolutely killed it with this product. This review just confirmed my decision to buy one. Awesome video MVG.
I told my friends about this. but I already have several retrotinks AND an ossc. If I didn't already have retrotinks, or an OSSC I would get this. it's great, and I recommend it to all my friends who are looking for upscalers as an option among many. but at this point, I myself don't need anything higher than even 720p and that's rare. Yeah, If it goes on sale, or if someone better comes along i'll probably get it. At this point... I don't need it myself. that fast resolution switching is amazing, but i had that covered with a DVD0 VPx in my chain... but retrotink 5x is definititely a better solution
USPS says mine is at the post office so it will likely come today. It's replacing my Framemeister which I'm going to sell on eBay (likely for more than I paid for the 5X). I only need it to work with NTSC so this is basically a perfect replacement. As nice as Firebrand X's profiles are, it's annoying to have to load them each time I play a new console on the Framemeister. Plus this isn't going to have the sync issues I get from certain Saturn games and the deinterlacing looks superb. Only downside is the SCART cable is backwards so I had to order a weird one with a right angle connector from Amazon UK.
As usual, great video! Man, I've been on the fence about getting this since I'm pretty happy with my Retrotink 2x pro, but that N64 composite comparison might've sold me on it. After all, my CD-I's composite output deserves the best.
This is a fantastic video! Waiting for mine to come in the mail. I don't bother with Amiga or anything 50hz (all my consoles are NTSC)... So I think the two major problems you touched on there aren't going to affect me too much. You really put it through its paces though!! I'm stoked to see what this thing can do
have the same question, the majority of my older consoles run at 50hzPAL. was hoping this could replace my component to hdmi converters since component seems to be getting phased out on newer tvs.
Thank you for doing this video so fast! I don't have any system which plays at 50 Hz, so this looks like a great solution for me. Right now I am using a MINI2x, and this seems to be a decent upgrade.
Man, let me tell you something, I really appreciate your work and your videos, I really learn a lot with them. I have slowly started to buy retro consoles and will be in need of something like this, again thank you and keep them videos coming/
In an age where a stupid cosmetic hat for your CoD character costs $20 fucking dollars, this thing is a bargain at $275! R&D costs money. The gaming community is so weird. They'll give away money to magacorps for bullshit DLC, but not a cottage manufacturer servicing a niche market? C'mon now.
I really like this channel even though most of the content goes way over my head. But I am hoping that as I get more familiar with it the more I can get a grasp on the content
@@The2808erik It looks a lot better than 480i still, and it should look decent on most TVs. If you want a sharper image then you can upscale through the OSSC, 5x, or Mclassic (Mclassic’s biggest strength is 480p, I’m not recommending it as an alternative to the others in most situations).
I remeber being like 5-6 y/o, my parents got me my very first own console, a PS2, in 2008, and connected to my old CRT TV, for me, at those times, it looked like this upscaler, such sweet times
Respect, great review! Always love your work as you cover a wide range of random retro gear (I have a particular interest in Amigas, so it's always great to see them).
Well, I think the thing is that lots of videophile retro gamers in the US have "taken" SCART as a common and de facto standard way of using RGB signals from consoles, since the US never had a consumer RGB standard of its own, so when you spend all your time thinking about SCART as a way of using RGB video, I can see how its easy to forget about foreign video standards (or how its not just an RGB standard).
Motion Adaptive de-interlacing really is magical. The Retrotink5x-Pro box just looks plain sick. Too bad the it doesn’t seem to have the optimized PSP mode that the OSSC has: that feature is a game-changer for me. Great vid MVG!
@@ians_parks Somebody can correct me if I'm misremembering, but it de-letterboxes PSP game content (you can see how the PSP letterboxes game content if you plug its component/AV cables directly into your TV), line doubles it to 960p, and then fits that to your entire display area (so fullscreen PSP games, baby!)! Been a pretty sick feature paired up w my PSPGo that can use DS3 controllers via bluetooth :)
@@vladimirmlotschek3265 The retrotink5x definitely doesnt fill the screen for psp games, its still letterboxed for games but fullscreen for the home menu although Mike said something to me on twitter about potentially adding a zoom feature via a firmware update. I imagine alot of the issues people find with these early units are going to be gradually ironed out by firmware updates being that its FPGA based now.
Clearly the answer is yes, as people are happily buying it at that price. That's how valuation works, the price people are willing to pay for a given product, crossed against the price people are willing to sell it for. It could be a pet rock for $275 and it legitimately be worth that.
Even then the 5X has a surprising amount of settings as well, so it's suitable both for people who prefer plug-and-play and those who prefer heavy fine-tuning.
OSSC pro would be the more obvious comparison. But in the short term there are features and usability improvements by switching to the 5X clearly. The deinterlacer steals the show IMO - the smoothing options in future hopefully will make it even better.
Sounds great and despite the high cost, seems like a good value compared to modding a bunch of classic systems. I hope you'll get some composite and/or component video cables for your PS2 for a future video to see how that looks. It'd also be great if you could do the same with a composite/component switch to see how that affects things. Thanks for the review =)
The only thing that is missing from Retro Tink 5x is a HDMI input for HDMI devices that way you could use something like a Nintendo switch to boost resolution upto 1440p
Definitely get the component cables for the PS2 and run GT4 in 1080i. There are some videos on TH-cam that show how amazing it looks. You could easily mistake it for the PS3 updates.
Is the 1080i mode even worth using in Gran Turismo 4/Tourist Trophy? I thought it rendered at the same resolution internally for all modes (512x448) and just upscaled it for the output. You're better off using 480p since there's no deinterlacing needed. 1080i support was probably added for projectors that supported 1080i but not 480p.
I don't know if someone did a comprehensive research, it may be a slightly different resolution like 540 vertically. In that case 480p or 1080i could look a bit better depending on your gear I guess but not a huge difference for sure.
So i did a quick test and 1080i is better indeed because it uses the same technique usually used in 480i on ps2: objects that aren't moving much receive analogue 2x vertical antialiasing of sorts since alternating fields is rendered at different positions. You can clearly see how this works this by comparing a screenshot to the live picture.
I'll stick to small CRT as long as I can. Hoping that in few years there will be scaler available that got all pros of 5x, plus it does perfect emulation of CRT on LCD in the same time(scanlines, glow, curvature). All as lagless as possible.
@@kamilpotato3764 Yes! I tried the Framemeister a few years back, but it was too much hassle and I missed the true CRT-look :p I did not take a loss selling it to the next guy either, so theres that!
$275 is a bit too dear for me at the moment. I understand why the price is what it is (chip shortages and FPGAs not exactly going down in price is far beyond the control of Mike Chi after all), but I hope that in the future the price can go down as shortages are resolved. I’m trying to standardize around 4K/HDMI 2.1 as well. So I might still wait out a potential RetroTiNK 9x. But again those FPGA prices are brutal. I think Mike Chi has done a great job overall. I do own a 2X pro :)
This is really cool. I just recently went down the rabbit hole of RGB on a PVM. Not quite ready to get into retrotink, but when I am I'm sure Mike will have the kinks ironed out.
Very curious too! I need RGBHV in with VGA Port for my McWill modded Game Gear. OSSC Pro will also have downscaling via HDMI in. And screen rotation for Arcade Shoot em ups, which will be a big one!
To be fair it isn't made for computers. I'm pretty sure Mike Chi doesn't own an Amiga, an X68000 or a ton of PAL equipment. Give it time he will write firmware to fix it...
PSA: The RetroRINK products are not an OSSC. If you don’t expect them to be an OSSC, you will be quite happy with them. Nothing wrong with sticking to what you’re good at, and I would gladly make room for the 5X _and_ an OSSC or two. They’re both such incredibly useful tools that I don’t have any need to pit them against each other.
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Appreciate the honesty here. In regards to the shortcomings mentioned (1080i, 50 Hz) I wouldn't be surprised if a firmware update comes out in the near future to remedy those. All of the RetroTINK products get pretty nice firmware update support from what I see, so maybe a few updates in I'll grab one of these. I've owned a Framemeister for a few years, so at the moment I'm not needing an upscaler upgrade.
The fact there is a solution to the HDMI dropout during Res switches is a big deal for me but its still not a Full replacement for my OSSC+Frameister setup sadly Definitely the way to go now for people just starting to get old systems up and running on new tvs though.
so he was using the pal 1080i 50 hz ,wonder if the 60hz 1080i works . . .
@@kickflipdemon you can't do 1080i over av (compositre nor s video) cables, this is by design. It needs coponent cables or scxart, not an isue with retrotink.
@@snintendog you can't do 1080i over av (compositre nor s video) cables, this is by design. It needs coponent cables or scxart, not an isue with retrotink.
@@duhmez he was using scart . . .
MVG: Shows comparison footage
Me: Can’t tell the difference
As a PAL user, thanks for testing that! It will also be very helpfull to Mike to have this feedback! Cheers!
Let's just hope Mike reacts to that. As a PAL user myself I'm having issues with the RT5X - from what I can tell it doesn't support 5x scaling for 288p signals (which would result in 1440p). It also doesn't support 1080p underscan with PAL signals.
Right now I can't recommend it for PAL users.
@@breaKdownINC Damn that's a bit of a shame I hope it gets fixed, once it does it will replace my now-on-it's-last-legs DVDO VP30 combined with OSSC (cause those 2 for me sort of work in tandem to combat each other's shortcomings)
@@nikodem123asdf That's exactly the combination I'm using. I'm very happy that things like the OSSC and the Retrotrink prodcut range exist. It's only a matter of time for something to arrive that will satisfy our needs (for the time...until new needs will arise xD).
@@CommanderGrog Also not sure if anyone has mentioned whether it takes RGsB via scart
@@nikodem123asdf My setup consists of all three devices that MVG showcased in his previous video: a Framemeister, an OSSC, and the cheap SCART to HDMI. I was hoping the 5X could free up some space, but if it doesn't work with PAL content, it's no use to me.
The reason the RT5X isn't working with your PS2 at 1080i is because the PS2 switches its RGB output from RGBS to RGsB (sync-on-green) at 480p and higher, and the RT5X does not support sync-on-green over SCART. As far as the RT5X is concerned, the sync signal just disappeared. That's why Mike suggested using component cables, because the PS2 outputs the same type of sync signal over component for all resolutions. Another solution is using a device that separates sync-on-green, such as the recent gscart switches.
Also, the PAL version of GT4 does NOT support 1080i
@@Afonso.Soares not to mention 1080i in GT4 is just upscaling, so it's better to use 480p mode anyway.
Holy shit Gran Turismo 4 looks absolutely insane!!!
Try it emulated on PC at 4K. Looks so good.
@@ebridgewater no
@@Einar730 Your loss.
@@ebridgewater no
@@ebridgewater I can confirm
Would like to mention the Retrotink 5X is also sold out until June/July and his online store is closed until May 24th until he can get product out the door.
Wonder if this is still getting restocked in July as we are already in the month.
@@shenrais1248 Subscribe to his Twitter feed @retrotink2 as that's where he puts his announcements. He does have another full time job and other entanglements so I assume that estimate was a rough one. Also, parts are high in demand and low in supply so maybe it will take a little longer to pull everything together. But Mike is not a person to say something like a release window and ignore it. Im sure we will hear something soon, especially judging by his last Tweet saying he has stockpiles of chips for RetroTINK.
@Charlie B I bought one a few months ago but thanks for the update :)
It's important to mention that only the first release batch was 275U$D, Mike already said that due to increase in parts costs the next runs will be 300U$D
somehow an increase from $25 to $50 seems outrageous, but $275 to $300 doesn't seem too bad. I'm also thankful not to have to pay VAT in the UK and Europe, which is getting worse, more bureaucratic and confusing- with Brexit.
the video title needs to be changed to $300 !
@@majorgear1021 its 325 now!
@@RabRabNZ I know. I just got mine today. It had better shine my shoes in addition to upscaling video.
A few things about this review - For reference i purchased my own unit and i didn't go over some features like downscaling to CRTs, simply because this features is not of any particular interest to me. If you want a much more comprehensive review that covers all features of the RetroTINK 5x Pro - I recommend Retro RGBs here - th-cam.com/video/nwNrqIjxBaA/w-d-xo.html
Your Videos are interesting as ever.
At least you put in time. Your peers are all lazy with their presentation,rambling non script,indecisive verbage etc with their vids.
What about OSSC Pro?
Hi - great review. Just to flag, the PS2’s higher resolutions didn’t work over SCART as the 5X can’t support RGsB over SCART. (It only does RGBs.) The only way you’ll get the higher resolutions is to use 1) a Component cable or 2) the SCART cable via a GSCART which will convert the RGsB to RGBs.
@@kitsura its not out yet but ill be sure to review one when i can
I got one just for the PS2. The motion adaptive de-interlacing looks amazing from what I've seen. My unit is on it's way and I can't wait! :D
How does it compare to an emulator?
@@TheMoises1213 🤢
Glad to see Agony as you fav game for testing resolution switching ont the Amiga :)
Just a general comment, that I'm posting on this video because it's the newest one:
As a software engineer with an interest in all things retro-game-related, the things you do on this channel are really inspiring to me. I really look up to you. Thanks for all of the great videos, and keep being awesome.
One selling point you didn't mention or test was the RetroTINK's support for S-video which is natively supported by the PS1, N64, and Gamecube and not supported by the OSSC.
On the other hand, the 5x doesn't do VGA, whereas the OSSC does. ;-)
@@R3TR0R4V3 could you not use a scart to vga adapter?
@@Greyhats Don't really need one.. The OSSC does VGA, which is all I need for the couple consoles I have that use it, Dreamcast & ColecoVision. :)
@@R3TR0R4V3 i know, i’m just saying there is a work around. i enjoy both the rt5 and ossc. 👍🏼👍🏼
Overall you can’t compare an OSSC and Retrotink. They are two very different products.
Honestly, the Neo Geo footage OSSC vs 5X was night and day in this video, but I understand it doesn't always appear that way on your display while you're playing.
Something like this can absolutely be down to one "capturing better". And on some displays there may be very little difference. But i think the X5 is going to be my next purchase.. Its instant rez adaption is insane.
@@wishusknight3009 For original RE2 players that could be a game changer. I've seen a few videos where the creators ultimately went with emulation to record gameplay because RE2 constantly switched resolutions and messed with their capture cards.
@@grn1 It is honestly going to be a help for vintage PC work too. Seeing post screens that flash by in less than a second while my screen is blanking out playing with wingnuts isn't good.
He is using Generic 4:3 profile on OSSC while using 1080p Over profile on 5x (and probably a Neo Geo profile). Obviously 5x is gonna look sharper, but the same sharpness can be obtained from the OSSC if he used a perfected timing profile.
Instant resolution switch is a game changer. Motion adaptive deinterlacer is nice too: you should be able to just use it and forget, half-framerate high-res games shouldn't suffer from it as they do from bob, and full-framerate hi-res games would get clearer ui elements.
Set-and-forget, or "Just Play The Damn Game" is pretty much MikeChi's motto! ;)
Love me some MVG on a Monday morning.
Monday vintage gamer?
@@vanerek yesssssss
The best compliment I can give you, is I have literally zero interest in the source material, but I still loved the video. The beard is 10/10 btw
So for those who wonder if resolution switching causes problems in pal consoles: i just tried it with sonic the hedgehog two and streets of rage on the pal sega mega drive and it works perfectly fine, the switching is so fast, you cant even see it properly.. no problems at all, love it so far
Can always rely on MVG to show us Amiga as well as other systems. Great video, short and to the point.
The single greatest thing about the RT5X is that MikeChi is communicative and committed to making the 5X be awesome for everybody. I'm 100% certain there'll be firmware fixes for the PAL issues. While some sections of the retro gaming community are content to navel-gaze over cables and arcane settings, Mike has a "Just Play The Damn Game" approach, and RT5X definitely lives up to that mantra. I expect we'll see great things in the near future.
Another big feature that you didn't mention is that the RT5X is supposed to output standards-compliant resolutions and timings on the HDMI port, so the compatibility with TVs and most capture cards should be much higher than OSSC.
Any idea how much input lag the 5X pro adds on it's own? I'm interested in buying this to add CRT softness settings to my AVS, SNES & GEN(using retro vision component cables) & Duo.
I love how slow you speak, absolutely a joy to listen to with English not being my first language.
And for English being my first language, I'm still able to speed up the video if I feel like it gets too slow. It's the best of both worlds!
@nate6045 what a weirdo clown thing to say
@@nate6045 derp
I thank my lucky stars every day that I can't tell the differences when I'm shown a side by side example like seen in this excellent video. These eyes are saving me a ton of $ not noticing any difference.
MVG starts off my weeks great with a new vid as I wake up and have breakfast before work. I look forward to your videos every monday, no matter what you're talking about. Excellent as always!
Thumbs up for showing one of the greatest games of all time, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4.
My guy you are the goat when it comes to this. Your work is a blueprint for us to resurrect our consoles and save our childhood devices to stand the test of time.
One thing that I notice is a yellowish tint, you can see better in GT4 white menu and when MVG zooms in Art of Fighting menu, the SNK logo has a bit of yellow to it.
I noticed that too. Might need to tweak some settings like gamma
@@TheAfroman The RetroTINK-5X is capable of both RGB Full & Limited, while OSSC is only Full. My guess is MVG forgot to set the RetroTINK-5X to Full when showing the noise comparison at 6:32.
Just use some Retrobright on it!
As a UK gamer with a PAL collection that's largely locked to 50Hz, that last part is sadly a deal breaker for me :(
I dont think that it doesnt work with pal consoles, maybe this is just for the amiga..i will test it tomorrow with my palconsoles after my retrotink arrived
It's likely to be fixed with a firmware update.
The previous RetroTink products had excellent 50Hz support, and I bet this does/will too. One thing to keep in mind is that the Amiga supports really weird resolutions that Mike Chi probably wasn't expect 99% of people to be using it with. Maybe keep an eye on what the firmware looks like? You also should see if anyone else running PAL content is running into these issues, or if it's mostly just the Amiga.
Use component. Drop SCART.
@@chimnino well in Europe SCART was the big thing (expecially with TVs... every TV had SCART imputs until 4k TVs). Component cables were basically never considered here, since (if one disliked the inferior composite cables provided with many game consoles) RGB through SCART was the best solution possible.
I think you know that SCART (I mean RGB) and composite cables (or better said YPbPr) basically output the same quality, with the SCART being slighty better if ay all. Therefore your suggestion is wrong (and would only apply for US citizens). You know, not everyone lives in the US
A quick note about the slight difference in noise you demonstrated in the Neo Geo capture: it looks like your OSSC is in generic mode as the output looks significantly softer than the 5X in that example, which I believe is masking a lot of the noise. I would wager that if you set up optimal phase for the Neo Geo, the noise levels would look almost identical to what you see coming through the 5X
Oh man, that de-interlacing looks amazing.
I am way too poor for those prices.
This is why I moved to emulation as for me it's good enough. All of my hardware is now boxed up in the attic.
@@karehaqt That’s alright
Yeah for the pound sterling equivalent of what the Retrotink 5X Pro cost I was able to buy an Xbox One X. With Developer Mode enabled it will actually emulate a lot of the things here and also can back compat in regular mode for X360/original Xbox.
Still a neat device if you are a retrothusiast gamer with deep pockets though, for sure.
Yeah, nice upscaler, but 275 US dollars?! Wow.
Not for me.
@@dummymannequin7272 honestly don't get upscaling in most scenario's. I play on the original console so I don't have lag and everything works like it should've when it was released. Old consoles like nes up to gc I play on a CRT. To get the most real picture the developers had in mind when making the game. Since they where actually made on a CRT.
If you want to play in 4k, just use emulation it's honestly probably better than upscaling a fuzzy game 5 times.
I guess some people just don't really like CRTs with i get, but why just not play emulator than. The only reason would be nostalgia factor and ease of use i guess.
Already got mine but of course I'm here to hear what you gave to say
Woah even the masters from Brazil listen to what MVG have to say, hands down Edu.
Neste ponto eu acredito que qualquer pessoa que goste de video game acompanha este canal incrivel.
Nice to see we on Brazil still have a half-decent retro community
E AI PESSOAL TUDO BEM
olha qm tá aq
Without a doubt the Retrotink is the absolute BEST for the ps2 and ps1., and original xbox too
what about gamecube?
Appreciate the honest review, and highlighting the good, as well as the 'could be better'. As someone who has no upscaler at the moment, and is in the market for one, I get the impression I could do a lot worse than this, and while it's not perfect(what is), it's a very good piece of equipment. Thanks for laying out what to expect. And many thanks for your awesome work on Shantae. Played it many years ago, and it's awesome to get to relive those memories on the Switch. From a fan of the game from long ago....I want to commend you on a job well done!
I’ve been looking at getting something to help upscale my ps2. I’m really gonna have my eyes on this! Thanks MVG!
I'm glad we have more options than the Framemeister these days, I remember back when that thing came out I thought it was the coolest piece of tech ever.
Been waiting for the OSSC Pro but the quick resolution switching of the RetroTINK 5X is really tempting as it may finally remedy the dreaded CronoCross menu switching
He is right for those that got the OSSC and Framemeisters this is a hard sell but i would recommend this over those 2 just on Price alone and availability as well at least for Real hardware junkies otherwise the Mister is shaping up very well might wait until the cores are finished or if a "project mister2" on a stronger FPGA comes out.
@@snintendog An OSSC sufficiently costs less than $300...
@@Clay3613 yes but so does the retrotink 5 your point? and if you actually read what i wrote i said OSSC+Frameister they cover what the other lacks and that combo is what i am basing the argument over the Retrotink 5.
the OSSC right now is 170 USD before shipping and the RT5 is 275 before shipping for reference.
If it was just the OSSC vs RT5 the RT5 wins hands down for versatility and deinterlacing but for us that have BOTH it is a hard ass sell for a sidegrade the next retrotink will most likely sell to us as a major upgrade. and even then i have a feeling the need for linedoubling alone is gonna stay for the ossc.
As it is the res switching is a MAJOR deal for us but with the amount of money placed into our setup already it makes it feel the need to have a bit more to justify the buy and with the lack of the HDMI in for the digital adapter we have for a few consoles it cant replace our Frameister yet. The way most people have their consoles right now is↓
Console RGB/COMP/Digital HDMI mod IE GCHD Eon/Xbox Chimeric HDMI>OSSC for LineDouble>Framiester for HDMI cleanup(alot of tvs suck at seeing nonstandard res or timings)>TV
OR
Console>Composite/Svid/Scart RGB or COMP Interlaced and progressive>Framemeister for Scaling
The RetroTink 5x can handle the Second one Handily but falls to the purely digital out we have on more of the not quite retro systems.
@@snintendog The OSSC literally costs half as much and is currently in stock, so not sure what you mean when you say the 5x beats it on price and availability... Also the mister isn't even a de-interlacer, it's an emulator.
Did thymes come out with a pro?
Nice. Every time I thought of a tech question, you answered it within a few sentences.
The one thing that I do hope will be added via Firmware update is the smoothing filter. Useful for Composite & S-Video signals for 3D games, it's a shame to see it missing here when it's present on all of the much cheaper RetroTINK devices. I am very curious to know why it was omitted on the 5X.
The positives far outweigh the negatives here. I definitely have no interest in the Amiga so that's not a deal breaker and neither is the issue with Gran Turismo 4. This will definitely end up replacing the OSSC for a lot of people.
Probably will be updated, pretty cool. Just think what we can have as FPGA in like a decade!
You know it's good when the Framemeister's resale value collapses like 50-70% in the space of a couple of months (which the OSSC never seemed to do much to bring down)
Mike Chi’s Shantae review next.
lol
“Yeah, it’s only when you turn the console upside down that the loading times increase a little bit, but they’re still pretty fast overall.”
🤣
Even though you're joking, you stumbled onto the reality of these dirt bags. They're all a bunch of scam artists feeding each other.
You know baldie actually stole Switch input code and tried to pass it off as his own until he got caught, right? He's a charlatan.
@@youtubesuresuckscock Huh? I’m so confused. Who stole what from who??
Retrotink 5x is the best upscaler i ever bought. This box is a beast. The PS2 and Dreamcast graphics looks amazing. A must buy for retro gaming. Its very expensive though.
What do you use it with? ie which cables, adapters, or other items?
@@majorgear1021PS2 oem component cables+Mclassic+Retrotink 5x Pro. That is my PS2 setup. Sorry for responding late.
I like a lot your presentation style and voice.
As a competitive Splatoon player I dig your shirt!
6:21 Dang RetroTINK looks a lot sharper, like "pulled direct from gpu" sharper!!
For ps2, you should use the HDRV cables. I had less issues with HDRV cables over RGB SCART.
If it's not too much of a bother, can you explain in further detail? In what manner were HD retrovision cables better than RGB scart?
@@ultraspinalki11maybe they mean the hdrv cables are higher quality?
Worth. I sell my OSSC and order 5x Pro. Mike is very nice guy! P.S. PAL users always so annoying. I'm glad nobody whining about Secam.
275$ is actually cheap… the ones i use at work professional equipment is 1000$ and upwards 😛
For Brazilians 275 $ is very expensive
@@vincent3340 It's 300USD now but it's out of stock. 300USD + 20USD shipping + VAT + customs. It's way too much for me where I live (Central Europe). If they could make a store somwhere in Europe, I could buy this product
On Twitter it seems Mike (or whoever runs their twitter account anyways) is already looking to buy an Amiga to fix those issues and stuff so that's some good shit too! I love a company that responds to feedback like that. I hope to improve my retro console collection soon and this seems like a pretty great all around product for what I would need anyways so i'll add that to the inevitable list, thank MVG for the thorough video as always!
Also it's kinda insane how amazing Gran Turismo looked!
I wish newer HD LCD TV's had this type of upscaler built-in! 👍👍
Wouldn’t be a bad idea. I’d imagine they would sell out pretty quick too
@@ericvisser5253 Very true, lets hope that our generation in charge of executive positions in electronic manufacturers push this idea through as a standard, obviously until something else takes over! 🤓👍
wow it's pretty impressive !
OSSC here.... RetroTINK 5x Pro is a rather stable product right now... i guess it can be improved ....
Sure the OSCC pro is coming (350 / 400 EURO ?? ouch.....) Since I have already an existing solution, I'll wait for the OSSC pro... and compare with this product.... But pretty cool to have a nice "plug and play" scaler, easy to use !!!
Interesting video. I was testing mine a few days ago and it worked with every PAL game that I tried through a SCART RBG-cable from RetroGamingCables (CSYNC Cables, all of them, PS2/WII/Gamecube). BUT, I had this issue running some of my Wii Virtual Console games that were running in 240p (A link to the Past, for example). The ones running in 480i were fine though...
That's good to know that it works with retro gaming cables, I was wondering whether their was a compatibility issue with sync. Do you use a switcher? I'm getting a gscartsw and wondering which cables to get with a combination gscartsw and retrotink 5x
Was really surprised to see this release as I’ve been loving my 2xPro
I was holding off on picking up anything until after the 5x released, but now I'm leaning toward just picking up a 2x Pro.
Mine is ordered and awaiting to be shipped. I'm super pumped to get it. Mike absolutely killed it with this product. This review just confirmed my decision to buy one. Awesome video MVG.
No
I told my friends about this. but I already have several retrotinks AND an ossc. If I didn't already have retrotinks, or an OSSC I would get this. it's great, and I recommend it to all my friends who are looking for upscalers as an option among many. but at this point, I myself don't need anything higher than even 720p and that's rare. Yeah, If it goes on sale, or if someone better comes along i'll probably get it. At this point... I don't need it myself. that fast resolution switching is amazing, but i had that covered with a DVD0 VPx in my chain... but retrotink 5x is definititely a better solution
USPS says mine is at the post office so it will likely come today. It's replacing my Framemeister which I'm going to sell on eBay (likely for more than I paid for the 5X). I only need it to work with NTSC so this is basically a perfect replacement. As nice as Firebrand X's profiles are, it's annoying to have to load them each time I play a new console on the Framemeister. Plus this isn't going to have the sync issues I get from certain Saturn games and the deinterlacing looks superb. Only downside is the SCART cable is backwards so I had to order a weird one with a right angle connector from Amazon UK.
It's here and the 1440p is amazing. This is a legit awesome product. Mike should be proud.
As usual, great video! Man, I've been on the fence about getting this since I'm pretty happy with my Retrotink 2x pro, but that N64 composite comparison might've sold me on it. After all, my CD-I's composite output deserves the best.
Obviously you need to send Mike an Amiga. 😃
Super nice to see you cover this dude. Always appreciate your even-keeled and honest approach.
I am waiting for the day when we can use waifu2x as realtime upscaler
Ah, that Agony theme in the background had me going back to listen to Dimmu Borgir's Sorgens Kammer. Good stuff.
AGONY's title screens still look way too sharp and beautiful to be existing on a 1992 AMiGA computer. Amazing really.
glad i have the mister, does almost everything.
Retro TINK's price tag makes you realize what a steal MiSTer is!
This is a fantastic video! Waiting for mine to come in the mail.
I don't bother with Amiga or anything 50hz (all my consoles are NTSC)... So I think the two major problems you touched on there aren't going to affect me too much.
You really put it through its paces though!! I'm stoked to see what this thing can do
So, for PAL 50hz games on consoles like PS2 does it work properly or it has the same issues as with the Amiga?
have the same question, the majority of my older consoles run at 50hzPAL. was hoping this could replace my component to hdmi converters since component seems to be getting phased out on newer tvs.
yes same issues
@@Puretea4711 sad, renders it useless if you're in pal region then
@@_kev_ yep disappointing not what it was hyped up to be.
You gotta use component cable instead of scart and all is fine for PS2
Thank you for doing this video so fast! I don't have any system which plays at 50 Hz, so this looks like a great solution for me. Right now I am using a MINI2x, and this seems to be a decent upgrade.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR! Thinking about upgrading my 2X Multiformat.
No
Man, let me tell you something, I really appreciate your work and your videos, I really learn a lot with them. I have slowly started to buy retro consoles and will be in need of something like this, again thank you and keep them videos coming/
In an age where a stupid cosmetic hat for your CoD character costs $20 fucking dollars, this thing is a bargain at $275! R&D costs money.
The gaming community is so weird. They'll give away money to magacorps for bullshit DLC, but not a cottage manufacturer servicing a niche market?
C'mon now.
Yeah, I see “get an emulator instead” here all the time, and those people probably spend more than they should on modern game virtual accessories.
@@fluffisaurus7090 The gaming community is full of fickle assholes and morons unfortunately.
I really like this channel even though most of the content goes way over my head. But I am hoping that as I get more familiar with it the more I can get a grasp on the content
The Wii over Composite cable runs games at 480i, would be amazing for it as well.
The Wii has 480p component cables, get those instead. Plus that will always look better than 480i.
@@fluffisaurus7090 That's true, but 480p still looks like trash on a modern TV.
@@The2808erik It looks a lot better than 480i still, and it should look decent on most TVs. If you want a sharper image then you can upscale through the OSSC, 5x, or Mclassic (Mclassic’s biggest strength is 480p, I’m not recommending it as an alternative to the others in most situations).
I remeber being like 5-6 y/o, my parents got me my very first own console, a PS2, in 2008, and connected to my old CRT TV, for me, at those times, it looked like this upscaler, such sweet times
The intro music is so good!
Not really
I love all his intro music
Respect, great review! Always love your work as you cover a wide range of random retro gear (I have a particular interest in Amigas, so it's always great to see them).
It seems like my kind of upscaler. I hate twiddling as I find myself not playing anything.
I don't really need an upscaler, but I still learned something useful from this video: Dimmu Borgir stole one of their best songs from an Amiga game.
i would expect a device with a SCART connection to have better support for PAL signals.
Well, I think the thing is that lots of videophile retro gamers in the US have "taken" SCART as a common and de facto standard way of using RGB signals from consoles, since the US never had a consumer RGB standard of its own, so when you spend all your time thinking about SCART as a way of using RGB video, I can see how its easy to forget about foreign video standards (or how its not just an RGB standard).
Motion Adaptive de-interlacing really is magical. The Retrotink5x-Pro box just looks plain sick. Too bad the it doesn’t seem to have the optimized PSP mode that the OSSC has: that feature is a game-changer for me. Great vid MVG!
Ive never owned an ossc myself. What does the optimized mode for the psp do?
@@ians_parks Somebody can correct me if I'm misremembering, but it de-letterboxes PSP game content (you can see how the PSP letterboxes game content if you plug its component/AV cables directly into your TV), line doubles it to 960p, and then fits that to your entire display area (so fullscreen PSP games, baby!)! Been a pretty sick feature paired up w my PSPGo that can use DS3 controllers via bluetooth :)
@@vladimirmlotschek3265 The retrotink5x definitely doesnt fill the screen for psp games, its still letterboxed for games but fullscreen for the home menu although Mike said something to me on twitter about potentially adding a zoom feature via a firmware update. I imagine alot of the issues people find with these early units are going to be gradually ironed out by firmware updates being that its FPGA based now.
I'm sure the 50hz issue will get a firmware fix. I really want this box to handle the Chrono Cross problem.
Thank you for making Mondays a little more bearable lol
Finally someone testing scalers with the Amiga. Great review. Now play some Pinball Dreams and se how it handles multiball ;-)
Looks nice, but one of my main use cases would be a 50Hz Amiga, I'll keep a close eye on this for any firmware updates.
Does it have 50hz issues generally or just with the Amiga?
1080i and 50hz issues are already fixed in their 1.84 update. For anyone watching in the future
thank you!
Regarding 1080i, I'm pretty sure that PS2 out it only over component cable and not scart. So, not surprise that it is not working over SCART.
Clearly the answer is yes, as people are happily buying it at that price. That's how valuation works, the price people are willing to pay for a given product, crossed against the price people are willing to sell it for. It could be a pet rock for $275 and it legitimately be worth that.
Ouch - thats not cheap. I've got a OSSC and a RetroTink 2x that seems to work well enough.
does the 2x work with 576i 50hz or 240i 50hz? sorry being from PAL region is a pain in the ass.
The instant switching is absolutely the reason to buy this.
I always tell people the retrotink is more plug-and-play and the OSSC is more customizable.
Even then the 5X has a surprising amount of settings as well, so it's suitable both for people who prefer plug-and-play and those who prefer heavy fine-tuning.
OSSC pro would be the more obvious comparison. But in the short term there are features and usability improvements by switching to the 5X clearly. The deinterlacer steals the show IMO - the smoothing options in future hopefully will make it even better.
Sounds great and despite the high cost, seems like a good value compared to modding a bunch of classic systems.
I hope you'll get some composite and/or component video cables for your PS2 for a future video to see how that looks.
It'd also be great if you could do the same with a composite/component switch to see how that affects things.
Thanks for the review =)
The only thing that is missing from Retro Tink 5x is a HDMI input for HDMI devices that way you could use something like a Nintendo switch to boost resolution upto 1440p
Definitely get the component cables for the PS2 and run GT4 in 1080i. There are some videos on TH-cam that show how amazing it looks. You could easily mistake it for the PS3 updates.
Is the 1080i mode even worth using in Gran Turismo 4/Tourist Trophy? I thought it rendered at the same resolution internally for all modes (512x448) and just upscaled it for the output. You're better off using 480p since there's no deinterlacing needed. 1080i support was probably added for projectors that supported 1080i but not 480p.
I don't know if someone did a comprehensive research, it may be a slightly different resolution like 540 vertically. In that case 480p or 1080i could look a bit better depending on your gear I guess but not a huge difference for sure.
yeah, bob at retrorgb said that there's no reason ever to choose 1080i over 720p. with that is force GT into 720p mode.
So i did a quick test and 1080i is better indeed because it uses the same technique usually used in 480i on ps2: objects that aren't moving much receive analogue 2x vertical antialiasing of sorts since alternating fields is rendered at different positions. You can clearly see how this works this by comparing a screenshot to the live picture.
I'm really, really fond of using CRT's...but I'm definitely going to get one of these down the line!
I'll stick to small CRT as long as I can. Hoping that in few years there will be scaler available that got all pros of 5x, plus it does perfect emulation of CRT on LCD in the same time(scanlines, glow, curvature). All as lagless as possible.
@@kamilpotato3764 Yes! I tried the Framemeister a few years back, but it was too much hassle and I missed the true CRT-look :p I did not take a loss selling it to the next guy either, so theres that!
Is there possibility test scalers/capture cards with vhs. I've been searching for some reasonable priced combo.
$275 is a bit too dear for me at the moment. I understand why the price is what it is (chip shortages and FPGAs not exactly going down in price is far beyond the control of Mike Chi after all), but I hope that in the future the price can go down as shortages are resolved.
I’m trying to standardize around 4K/HDMI 2.1 as well. So I might still wait out a potential RetroTiNK 9x. But again those FPGA prices are brutal.
I think Mike Chi has done a great job overall. I do own a 2X pro :)
MVG, you should firmware upgrade your Retrotink 5x Pro and make an updated video.
This is really cool. I just recently went down the rabbit hole of RGB on a PVM. Not quite ready to get into retrotink, but when I am I'm sure Mike will have the kinks ironed out.
Waiting for the OSSC Pro.
Very curious too! I need RGBHV in with VGA Port for my McWill modded Game Gear. OSSC Pro will also have downscaling via HDMI in. And screen rotation for Arcade Shoot em ups, which will be a big one!
Also Mister like capabilities for emulation.
The OSSC pro will be over $500, so if you’re looking for a good scaler I would recommend this product.
My guilty pleasure is watching random stuff like this.
To be fair it isn't made for computers. I'm pretty sure Mike Chi doesn't own an Amiga, an X68000 or a ton of PAL equipment.
Give it time he will write firmware to fix it...
If it works with an Amiga, X68000 and FM Towns then I will be impressed.
PSA: The RetroRINK products are not an OSSC. If you don’t expect them to be an OSSC, you will be quite happy with them.
Nothing wrong with sticking to what you’re good at, and I would gladly make room for the 5X _and_ an OSSC or two. They’re both such incredibly useful tools that I don’t have any need to pit them against each other.