Sooo I just realized I can get you guys a 30 day trial to ROON. I think it's 7 normally. Follow this link and don't say I never do anything for ya 🤣🍻 roonlabs.com/r/ginFcYS3XUOkWa4H6UrYmQ
Not everyone ONLY streams music. I have thousands of CD's ripped to my music server AND I stream. Roon blends them together perfectly. It's a great music management system and I love how much artist/band information they provide.
Thank you for your in depth review Mr Chibs. I think everyone who has listened to this will have gained insight about the plus and minus aspects of Roon. It is an important music signal in todays modern world but Roon may not be up for everyone. I'm stoked to be in Barcelona, but you can call me Mr Perferifirei
I’m glad you love Roon, it’s always great to find something you enjoy using. I personally prefer to use the app with the streamer to integrate my streaming services, radio, downloads etc, because it’s built to work perfectly with the component. I use Auralic products, I love them and their app as my example. If you use it with a tv though, Roon adds that extra value on top of its top of the class functionality.
I hear good things about Auralic too. I think they’re Roon ready for the most part if you want to test out. Assuming you haven’t already. Sorry Benvos, you’ll have to excuse my newly acquired Roon fanboyish reply. Haha I’m testing out a new system for the next review and using Wiim mini without Roon. Selecting music feels so wrong hahaha. I miss Roon!! 😅🤣 thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! 🍻
@@MisterChibs they are Roon ready, I’m sure one day I’ll give it a go once the system is finally in its end game! Keep enjoying the process, your videos as ever are great.
Roon has many features. One of them is that it will scan for music tracks and albums on all devices on your local network, catalog them as your collection, then use them to search for music that you may like, and then suggest even more music to you.
I got a lifetime subscription a few years ago at $500 and I am so glad I did. Roon is the best money I’ve thrown down this audio rabbit hole and I’m never going back. I’d like to think at this point they have a stable business model and with the recent addition of Roon ARC, they solved the last major technology gap in their offering IMO.
Kerry, thanks! I need to figure out ARC still. I clicked on it and my M1 Mac Mini isn't "Arc ready" So I'm going to look into that. So glad to hear you're happy with the lifetime membership. I'm leaning towards this (I think lol). 🍻
I’m proud to announce that I made the 2023 cutoff before they jacked up the Lifetime subscription to $829. It finally gave me that last nudge to go all in on Roon! I am in LOVE with this app!
It looks awesome, but it's solving a problem I didn't know I had and therefore not one that's caused me issues. If it wasn't so prohibitively priced I would plump for it, but it just tips over the cost vs reward line. For me anyway. Great review btw! Very informative.
I totally get your point of view and felt the same way. “Why should I pay for something that I already have for free?” When you’re building your audio system from the ground up that mentality totally tracks. BUT having said that, Roon will always be looming over your shoulder waiting patiently 😉. It’s always going to be in your peripheral. Reason being it’s next level. For the price of a component, you’ll have a much better time. My guess is you’ll eventually jump on the free trial and get hooked with no regrets. That’s what happened to me and I’ve seen it happen to others who were even more stubborn. Okay, I’m pointing my finger directly @Joey G’s audio channel. He proclaimed he’d never pay for Roon and now.. 🤣 Anyhow, this is pretty long winded so to wrap up - If and when you try it out, let me know what you think. Thanks for watching!🍻
Your analogy on Roon is perfect I couldn’t have said it any better than you did. Roon has changed my life for the better & i thank them for this. I personally have paid for a year but my next subscription will be the life time subscription this is solely because there will be nothing better out there anytime soon, come on how can anyone beat this UI & this will only get better as time goes on, i think you should go life time as well please let me know what you decide ?
Good question. I answer you reclined on my lazyboy, listening to brand new (and good) music from Roon radio as I type this. Decided to go lifetime membership. It was a bit of a hit to the credit card but not as much as a reasonably priced audio component. So many spend thousands on components and gear only to listen to the same stuff and not try new music. Roon helps with this and the value is definitely there. It also becomes a better deal the more I use it. Oh and just for fun the album I'm listening to is The Polyphonic Spree by Salvage Enterprise. Thanks for watching my vid! 🍻
@@MisterChibs Thanks for the reply much appreciated you are wright regarding new music i didn’t even know how much music was out there until i tried Roon, i have been stuck in a bubble & not a good one until now, i thought amazon music was the best out there how Nieve can you someone be. I just like the way Roon interacts nicely with Tidal as that is what i am using, do you think Qobuz is better than Tidal in your opinion or are they much of a much?.
I use plex. I tried to get kodi to work reliably for years to no avail. Once plex became stable, i switched. I considered roon for years - until their last price jump. I still have a lot i want to upgrade in my system - on a budget - so, as great as roon looks, I'll probably be using plex for the foreseeable future. I paid about $75 for it many years ago. They added a dedicated music player and regularly add features, but i wish they'd just try to copy roon. ;) Well, that's one view from the cheap seats.
Thanks for sharing your experience Dylan. Haven't tried Plex but if it works for you, that's what's important. Roon isn't cheap but now that I have it, there's no going back. I've spent more on audio equipment that's collecting dust. Roon will most likely (and hopefully) outlast my current audio components. The cool thing is that unlike said components, it'll keep improving over time. 🍻
Right from the start, I knew I should try Roon only until I tried the other platforms, such as Amarra, AUDIRVĀNA or HQPlayer by Signalyst. Considered, but didn't spend too much time with JRiver because I didn't need a multimedia platform. After using each to their free trial limits, I proceeded with Roon. After 2 or 3 days with Roon, it was really a "no-brainer." Why anything else? It also became clear that the Life membership was the best choice. I think Roon has proved their commitment to the user community with excellent online services, continual updates and fixes, new improvements and features like the 1.7 Valance and the recent addition of ARC. AUDIRVĀNA sounds very good too, or HQPlayer with suitable filters can transform the performance, but Roon is just so much more. 🤩🤩🤩
Just wished roon would work with Apple Music. Watching an Enno interview recently, it seemed there may still be a chance. BTW, Apple Music has a similar feature that autoplays music similar to what you were listening.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for Apple Music. Roon’s algorithm is much better in my experience. This is coming from someone who still subscribes to Apple.
The Roon experience is better than what Tidal does in my books. Having said that, you really don't have to pay any subscription fees, just get a free Spotify account. I'm guessing you see the value in the Tidal sub and it's the same sort of deal with Roon. Try the free demo in my vid's description and thanks for watching! 🍻
I bought a BlueSound Node about two years ago and didn’t like it, so I returned it. I finally got an Eversolo DMP-A6 and love it. I am using roon and though I like it, I think it is overpriced. What I don’t like, I cannot group a RAAT device with a Sonos device.
Very informative …and we got to see you suffer (we've all been there!). WIN/WIN! 😀 I am installing a Volumio Rivo and LHY LPS this weekend. I will be runnin Qobuz thru Volumio. After I get that up and running color me "Roon Curious"… My Rivo is even supposed to have a slight boost in Sound Quality via Qobuz/Roon….so we will see. Thanks again for all the info!
What do you use for your Roon Core? Thanks for the heads up on the Qobuz/Bluesound Node issue. I run my Roon Core on an old Sony VAIO laptop. My N130 is connected to my Mytek DAC via USB and the N130 connected to the laptop with an Ethernet cable. Just subscribed to Qobuz yesterday. Great video👍👍
Desktop connected to my hifiman ef 400 using the Audeze mm 500 and on my phone using the Chord mojo 2 switching between the blessing 2 iem and Thieaudio oracle mk 2
Thanks for this. I have not been able to fully wrap my head around roon. This vid has been a big help. Am I correct in understanding that one needs a computer running in the background to use roon? Can’t use through iPad/phone to Node only? Deal breaker for me. Gonna give Qobuz a try soon. Tidal now but the connect app is frustrating for me.
@@stevehamilton3181 - FYI, “You won't be able to use your iPad as a Roon Core. When it comes to Apple, Roon Core can only be installed on devices running macOS. Which means only computers will be able to run it, not iPad's or iPhones. They use iOS which is completely different.”
Pro tip nr 1. IF you got good dac use USB :D Ofc. Then add HQplayer in to ROON and BOOM. Now you got upscaler better than the mighty CHORD M-scaler. That is if you got hefty PC. Coax isnt a reliable connection and can and most likely will suffer from jitter.
Thanks for the tip! I saw HQ Player as an option in the software, and wondered what that was about. Sounds like I’ll be trying this on my M1 mini. Awesome!👍🏻🍻
Roon have been around for so many time now but for me it was always very pricy. Now with the monthly sub I am thinking well maybe I should try it. Its funny...I have used tidal with the MQA files(havent used Qobuz) but I always felt like I am playing the same known to me music and thats it. In the end I was spending so much more time in Spotify just because its so much easier to pick a given list based for example on a mood and thats it you enjoy so much not know to you music. I have always been into hi-res but funny enough i ended with Spotify because of the experience. Now listening to the review and the fact that with Roon I might have that experience but together with the better quality sound it really makes me think... Does it make sense if i dont have so much music on hard drive? Is it worth it if I only use it for tidal or Qobuz with the idea to improve their user experience? If I use it just for music from streaming services do I need the core(PC) running all the time or I just play the app on the phone and push the music to the roon ready device? Does this tv magic work with a modern LG oled? i do like to have the album cover on the screen...Thanks in advance.. it was very well build video!
Thanks man. To answer your questions: 1) I don't have any downloaded music. I just use Roon in conjunction with Qobuz. So in my opinion, it's definitely worth it. 2) Yes, you still need a core, even if you're just streaming like me. It needs to stay on all the time. 3) I'm not sure if it will work with your LG, does it run Chrome OS? If not, you can get a Google TV dongle with Chromecast and it should work through that. You can get a free Roon trial and see if it works for you. By day 2 of my trial, I knew I wanted to keep it. Now I can't imagine being without Roon, so I bought a lifetime membership. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
I have Roon Server on Mac Mini, the Bluesound Node via USB to Denafrips Iris DDC to Denafrips Pontus II DAC and no issues. Just set it up last night. I suspect they’ve fixed the issue.
I use Raspberry Pi as a Roon endpoint and really like it but I’m a tinkerer so the setup while not terribly hard, can be intimidating. My key learning is to have Roon upsample the CD-quality stream to DSD512. This made a significant improvement to sound quality on my inexpensive delta sigma DAC. I’m guessing this is because it pushes all the heavy lifting to the PC and bypasses the less capable delta sigma modulation in the chip. Not sure but it definitely improved the soundstage depth and layering over standard PCM.
@@dajikbatarang1 I used an Allo Digione Signature and agree the Allo stuff is great. I like feeding my DAC upsampled DSD512 directly from the Pi 4 over USB even better. The DSP is yet another benefit of Roon that I ignored for years.
@@MisterChibs But the integration of Tidal with Roon is excellent. I use both Tidal and Quobuz with Roon and can tell you that you won't regret using Roon if you're a Tidal subscriber (although I also prefer Quobuz)
@@MisterChibs I find myself listening to my ripped albums more with roon. Those albums usually have superior mastering than what's available on streaming services. That is another reason I love roon.
I don’t typically use the mojo 2 with my Bluesound node. I usually have it hooked up to my loudspeaker setup. Having said that, I’m sure that Roon and Qobuz would work very well with the Mojo 2.
I've spoken to Bluesound extensively about the Roon + USB out issue. It's a software problem in the Node itself, and although the support team is aware of it and they hope to fix it in a future software update, there's no timeline for when that will happen. I was a week past the 30 day return policy by the time I figured this problem out and they refuse to give me a refund. I think it's pretty bad that they advertise that it's Roon Ready and supports USB out when those features don't actually work together (and a Bluesound rep confirmed to me that they do work together before purchase). Bluesound sux.
It's a total shame! The Bluesound Node get's so much right! I didn't think there would be any problems whatsoever. Would love to use my DDC + USB but I guess I'll have to wait until a fix comes. Thanks for sharing!
@@MisterChibs Andrew SGC: The ultraDigital will work well with your Node. I have some customers that use them that way. (I2S) HDMI cable work via converter to I2S? Andrew: yes
Hey Mr. Chibs - great video! As a fellow Canadian, I'm just wondering how you scored the Qobuz account? I've been struggling with that for a while now...
Thanks Mike. It helps to have a really really really good American friend that you’ll be indebted to for the foreseeable future. 😉 Alternatively, most Canadians just use Tidal with Roon. Hopefully Roon ends up adopting more streaming services in the future. Amazon would be great. 🍻
I haven't tried that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the 190 does Dac Loop. I think that feature's reserved for H390 and up. In any case the H190 isn't bit perfect with Roon, so I'de just rather go through a streamer.
The Bluesound Node is used as a streamer / Roon endpoint. The DAC decodes what the streamer sends it and converts that to analogue for the amp. Check out my Bluesound Node review. 🍻
@@MisterChibs you replied :) really enjoyed your video Mr Chib. I did try to download the app but it looks like I need the amp which is compatible. I’m am still a bit dubious as the Spotify app adjusts to your listening style very well bit it all might make sense once I get a compatible amp. On a different topic I’m thinking of buying the Hegel h120 and was wondering if you might be reviewing it? I have just bought Focal Aria 948 speakers which have high sensitivity but low impedance so I’m in a bit of a dilemma with what amp to buy for it. No real budget but would like it matched to quality of the speakers. 🙄
@@hiluxjase6665 I’ve demoed the H120 and ended up buying the H190. Great amps! Video review is here Hegel H190 Review th-cam.com/video/fzVxzfnxCEI/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps! 🍻
Very entertaining video. Good job! I totally agree with you on roons song selection….it’s crazy good. If you can, definitely give a raspberry pi a try. It sounds phenomenal and you can use roon with it of course. I went from an Auralic Altair G1 $4000 streamer/DAC to a Pi with a Pontus 2. It’s sounds WAY better.
Thank you Mike!! Wow, that's crazy! Wondering how much of that difference is Pontus 2 and how much is Pi. I think Pi's are still really tough to get but will keep my eye out.
DDC stands for Digital to Digital Converter. It cleans up the signal from your source going into your DAC. All part of the audio rabbit hole I jumped down 🤣
“High-fi trip” is the epitome of ‘first world problems! 🤔😅😜😎. In lesser magnitude I feel your pain on the device software side. New Bluesound Edge owner with random HDMI-Arc issues. Tv sound coming across at maybe 50 percent volume when switching through app. Researched and know problem for over 2 years now. HDMI-Arc a huge selling point over spending MUCH more for Bluesound. Basic bus handshake not flawless. In fact, buggy. Zero reviewers call this out. Learning to check support forums first before buying. Oh, and of course the Hegel works perfectly! 😇 Appreciate your work! Cheers 🍻
It has! It was patched in a Node firmware update a couple of months ago. I'm now able to use my DDC with BS Node via USB as a result. That's my next video actually. 🍻
Just saw this and it looks like we’re getting Qobuz in May! www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/canada-is-about-to-get-another-streaming-music-service-and-if-you-like-high-quality-audio-pay-attention/
Next time someone asks me why I don't do wireless streaming I'm just going to show them this video. There's a certain type of guy who loves troubleshooting and tinkering and doing deep dives on internet forums and that is not me - life is too short! Quite happy with the sound coming from my iPad or MacBook hardwired into my DAC, and for me Apple Music UI > Roon.
Haha well I certainly appreciate you sharing this review in any case. FWIW I don’t love trouble shooting! No sir!! The problem I was having was fixed by Bluesound via a firmware update and Roon is amazing enough for me to recommend to everyone and their brother. Unfortunately, it isn’t compatible with Apple Music. If you want to give it a try, you may be surprised how quickly your opinion changes. And this coming from someone that still uses Apple Music. Having said that, thanks for watching and sharing your point of view. 🍻
@@MisterChibs Haha yeah I was teasing a little with that, glad you got your bug fixed. I've tried Roon a couple of times and never got on with it, the idea of running a separate server on a mac mini or NAS was always a bit too involved for me since all I have is my main laptop and an iPad. And when I tried to play things I'd always get errors which I found exasperating. A quick look at the Roon community forum shows there's plenty of bugs around still. Anyway thanks for the reply and best of luck with the channel : )
The reasons you gave for why you would even need it are exactly my thoughts, and what it offers is also my problem. So often I sit down in my listening chair and think “I want to hear something new…” but end up going through my own playlists. Now you’ve given me FOMO, dammit! Does the month trial still work???
nice vid and a review i wanted always to see. i just tested it and only for streaming it makes no sense to pay for that. tidal is doing 80% the same. sure some functions are maybe missing but i reviewed them side by side and not sure i want to use that. than i do have to fiddle around with roon app , tidal app, blueos app....in terms of suggested music tidal is doing exactly the same. not worth for me but i do not have music anymore stored somewhere.....
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I remember liking Tidal's suggestion algorithm as well. I personally find Roon works for me better and like you, I don't have any of my own files. Roon's definitely not for everyone though, and it's good you tried it out and came to your own conclusion 👍🍻
This was a good review. I don't think you mentioned it but Roon costs $12.99/month if you do monthly or $9.99 per month if you pay a year upfront. Starting January 1st 2023 their prices are jumping to $12.49 yearly and $14.99 monthly.
Thanks Marshall! I decided to bite the bullet & get a lifetime subscription for $699.99. That also gets raised to $829.99 in 2023. Last night I got Roon Arc set up for the first time and can't wait to test that out. It's going to be a fun year! 🍻
@@MisterChibs same here, it was my come to Jesus moment. It was either now or never. Because 699 seemed doable for me but 829 was just too rich for my blood.
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@@MisterChibs 😂. Btw your review of the H190 was spot on and it contributed to my final decision to finally buy it. Down to earth and spot on. Thank for replying and for your content.
I learned of that problem a couple of months ago. You’re right, just use coax. Now that you have Qobuz with BluOS you are probably aware you can’t organise your albums in artist order, only in last added order. That’s an issue that BluOS blame on Qobuz and Qobuz blame on BluOS. It’s not going to change. Qobuz are set to introduce Qobuz Connect next year, that will be a work around and may also possibly allow artist order to become available within the actual BluOS app. I still have issues with the lack of albums I search for on Qobuz, I added all 700 of my albums from Apple Music to my Tidal and only missed about 15. With Qobuz it was about 120. That’s unacceptable to me. Sound quality, Tidal is better on lots of albums but Qobuz was better on some. Overall it was a wash. I don’t use a computer so Roon is not a thing. But I would still stick with the Bluesound node, it’s simple and it works.
Thanks for sharing! Aussie, you have no idea what you'r missing with Roon. I knew people liked it but feel like I should have tried it out sooner. I won't go back! Shame you don't have a computer you can demo it on. I would seriously consider getting something cheep with a 30 day return window just so you could try out Roon. It's next level man! 🍻
@@MisterChibs I’m too stoopid to know how to turn a computer on. It would just add another complication to life. I like my iPad, it’s about as much technology as my brain can deal with.
@@aussie8114 I doubt that! Look into Nucleus from Roon. I think they have a 30 day window as well. You’ll never have to worry about how your tracks are organized again and you’ll end up thanking me once you realize what you’ve been missing.
I spent 7 hours today troubleshooting and still can't get Roon to work properly, which is how I stumbled upon your video. For a company that wants to charge $149.00 per year and $829 lifetime I'd think they could have some type of customer service other than a bulletin board full of messages ala 1990. Good grief!
7 hours 😮Ouch! Y’know I agree with you. For what they charge, they should have a 1-800 number with qualified English (as their first language) speaking tech support to help. Unfortunately this method seems to be passé, especially with newer companies. I actually used the forum to get ARC up and running. I couldn’t figure out what was going on and was about to dismiss ARC altogether but figured I’de give it a try. Someone replied almost right away and then someone else. We went back and forth and ended up narrowing my problem to the main modem’s NAT needing a port to be open for Roon as well as my separate wireless router. Something I had no clue about. Before you give up, I suggest giving the help forum a try. A lot of patient nerds willing help over there! Let me know how you do and what you think of Roon should you get it up and running. Also, thanks for watching! 🍻
@Mr Chibs Just as I was about to call it quits, someone reached out to me and suggested that I check to make sure both Roon and Qobuz were allowed to bypass the Windows firewall on my PC, which they were not. I corrected that issue, although it didn't immediately solve the problem since I have a third-party firewall installed. It was an intuitive fix though and I was up and running pretty quickly after that. Now that it's all said and done it's a little embarrassing that it took 7 plus hours and the advice of a stranger to figure it out, but it is what it is I suppose. Nonetheless, I'm just a few hours into exploring Roon and love it so far. I'm looking forward to seeing how it unfolds as I put more hours into it. BTW, love your Cornwalls!
For an $829 cost ill pass, Ill use the built in Wiim software for streaming and to play my local files that I have setup on a DLNA share. Roon wont be around in 3-5 years.
Wiim software certainly gets the job done but saying Roon won't be around in 3 to 5 years is completely baseless. Wiim pro will eventually be Roon ready. Once it is (assuming you have the pro and not the mini) try the free Roon demo and you'll see if it's worth the entry cost. It was to me and many others. Thanks for watching. 🍻
@@MisterChibs If Roon had a more reasonable price point I would buy, like maybe $200 with paid updates ever couple years but $829 is just crazy expensive... there also is no guarantee they will be around in 3-5 years... Just look at MQA.
Yes, a certain amount of greed makes this stuff available to us. Every business has a bottom line. I payed for Roon because I see the value. I subscribe to Adobe for the same reason 🍻
@@MisterChibs That was a really good review though! Your levels are a bit messed up though, coming from that intro, you sounded like you were whispering
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Sooo I just realized I can get you guys a 30 day trial to ROON. I think it's 7 normally. Follow this link and don't say I never do anything for ya 🤣🍻
roonlabs.com/r/ginFcYS3XUOkWa4H6UrYmQ
Not everyone ONLY streams music. I have thousands of CD's ripped to my music server AND I stream. Roon blends them together perfectly. It's a great music management system and I love how much artist/band information they provide.
So glad to hear and thanks for sharing! For now, my use case is limited to streaming, but thinking of tinkering with CD’s / records down the road. 👍🍻
@@MisterChibs Spent more time starring at the tablet then listening. Albums released on this day.
Same here + all my songs from Bandcamp. Love how it uses your music collection to give you more music you love.
Blusound node works fine streaming local music and it's free.
Very nice run down and one of the best user experience videos Ive seen done by Roon. Including by Roon themselves!
Wow, thanks man, that really means a lot!!! 😃🍻
Thank you for your in depth review Mr Chibs. I think everyone who has listened to this will have gained insight about the plus and minus aspects of Roon. It is an important music signal in todays modern world but Roon may not be up for everyone. I'm stoked to be in Barcelona, but you can call me Mr Perferifirei
Thank you and enjoy Barcelona Mr Perferifirei 🍻
I’m glad you love Roon, it’s always great to find something you enjoy using. I personally prefer to use the app with the streamer to integrate my streaming services, radio, downloads etc, because it’s built to work perfectly with the component. I use Auralic products, I love them and their app as my example. If you use it with a tv though, Roon adds that extra value on top of its top of the class functionality.
I hear good things about Auralic too. I think they’re Roon ready for the most part if you want to test out. Assuming you haven’t already. Sorry Benvos, you’ll have to excuse my newly acquired Roon fanboyish reply. Haha I’m testing out a new system for the next review and using Wiim mini without Roon. Selecting music feels so wrong hahaha. I miss Roon!! 😅🤣 thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! 🍻
@@MisterChibs they are Roon ready, I’m sure one day I’ll give it a go once the system is finally in its end game! Keep enjoying the process, your videos as ever are great.
@@Benvos aww thanks man! 😀🍻
Great job on this video and thanks for the link!
@@Yakena1 my pleasure Yakena! Let me know how you like Roon if you decide to try it out. 🍻
Roon has many features. One of them is that it will scan for music tracks and albums on all devices on your local network, catalog them as your collection, then use them to search for music that you may like, and then suggest even more music to you.
That’s cool, thanks for explaining!🍻
I got a lifetime subscription a few years ago at $500 and I am so glad I did. Roon is the best money I’ve thrown down this audio rabbit hole and I’m never going back. I’d like to think at this point they have a stable business model and with the recent addition of Roon ARC, they solved the last major technology gap in their offering IMO.
Kerry, thanks! I need to figure out ARC still. I clicked on it and my M1 Mac Mini isn't "Arc ready" So I'm going to look into that. So glad to hear you're happy with the lifetime membership. I'm leaning towards this (I think lol). 🍻
I’m proud to announce that I made the 2023 cutoff before they jacked up the Lifetime subscription to $829. It finally gave me that last nudge to go all in on Roon! I am in LOVE with this app!
@@j.l.887 You got ROON'D, Congrats!
This the best video on Roon I've seen! Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Thanks man! 🍻
It looks awesome, but it's solving a problem I didn't know I had and therefore not one that's caused me issues. If it wasn't so prohibitively priced I would plump for it, but it just tips over the cost vs reward line. For me anyway. Great review btw! Very informative.
I totally get your point of view and felt the same way. “Why should I pay for something that I already have for free?” When you’re building your audio system from the ground up that mentality totally tracks. BUT having said that, Roon will always be looming over your shoulder waiting patiently 😉. It’s always going to be in your peripheral. Reason being it’s next level. For the price of a component, you’ll have a much better time. My guess is you’ll eventually jump on the free trial and get hooked with no regrets. That’s what happened to me and I’ve seen it happen to others who were even more stubborn. Okay, I’m pointing my finger directly @Joey G’s audio channel. He proclaimed he’d never pay for Roon and now.. 🤣 Anyhow, this is pretty long winded so to wrap up - If and when you try it out, let me know what you think. Thanks for watching!🍻
Really like following your journey with all these products! Keep making these awesome videos. Im subbed 👍
Thank you so much!!! 👍🏻🍻
Your analogy on Roon is perfect I couldn’t have said it any better than you did. Roon has changed my life for the better & i thank them for this. I personally have paid for a year but my next subscription will be the life time subscription this is solely because there will be nothing better out there anytime soon, come on how can anyone beat this UI & this will only get better as time goes on, i think you should go life time as well please let me know what you decide ?
Good question. I answer you reclined on my lazyboy, listening to brand new (and good) music from Roon radio as I type this. Decided to go lifetime membership. It was a bit of a hit to the credit card but not as much as a reasonably priced audio component. So many spend thousands on components and gear only to listen to the same stuff and not try new music. Roon helps with this and the value is definitely there. It also becomes a better deal the more I use it.
Oh and just for fun the album I'm listening to is The Polyphonic Spree by Salvage Enterprise. Thanks for watching my vid! 🍻
@@MisterChibs Thanks for the reply much appreciated you are wright regarding new music i didn’t even know how much music was out there until i tried Roon, i have been stuck in a bubble & not a good one until now, i thought amazon music was the best out there how Nieve can you someone be. I just like the way Roon interacts nicely with Tidal as that is what i am using, do you think Qobuz is better than Tidal in your opinion or are they much of a much?.
I've tried both and prefer Qobuz.
Very real world review. I’m going to try roon after your review.
Thanks man! Let me know what you think.
Couldn't you simply connect your Roon core directly to your DDC Via USB?
Yep. Works perfectly.
I use plex. I tried to get kodi to work reliably for years to no avail. Once plex became stable, i switched. I considered roon for years - until their last price jump. I still have a lot i want to upgrade in my system - on a budget - so, as great as roon looks, I'll probably be using plex for the foreseeable future. I paid about $75 for it many years ago. They added a dedicated music player and regularly add features, but i wish they'd just try to copy roon. ;) Well, that's one view from the cheap seats.
Thanks for sharing your experience Dylan. Haven't tried Plex but if it works for you, that's what's important. Roon isn't cheap but now that I have it, there's no going back. I've spent more on audio equipment that's collecting dust. Roon will most likely (and hopefully) outlast my current audio components. The cool thing is that unlike said components, it'll keep improving over time. 🍻
Right from the start, I knew I should try Roon only until I tried the other platforms, such as Amarra, AUDIRVĀNA or HQPlayer by Signalyst. Considered, but didn't spend too much time with JRiver because I didn't need a multimedia platform. After using each to their free trial limits, I proceeded with Roon. After 2 or 3 days with Roon, it was really a "no-brainer." Why anything else? It also became clear that the Life membership was the best choice. I think Roon has proved their commitment to the user community with excellent online services, continual updates and fixes, new improvements and features like the 1.7 Valance and the recent addition of ARC. AUDIRVĀNA sounds very good too, or HQPlayer with suitable filters can transform the performance, but Roon is just so much more. 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks for sharing your experience Simon. 🍻👍🏻
How did you manage to get in contact with Roon (and Rebeka)?
I thought they were locked in behind high fences!
🤣Though email
Excellent video well done
Thank you Sean! 🍺🍺🍺🍺
the bottom of the screen on the tv with roon is not moving so what about burn in on oled tv's
I've been using an Oled TV as a computer monitor for 3 years. No issues with burn in. 🔥📺🔥
Just wished roon would work with Apple Music. Watching an Enno interview recently, it seemed there may still be a chance.
BTW, Apple Music has a similar feature that autoplays music similar to what you were listening.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for Apple Music. Roon’s algorithm is much better in my experience. This is coming from someone who still subscribes to Apple.
Tidal alone subscription does most of this and I don't have to pay 2 subscription fees for my streaming... ❓
The Roon experience is better than what Tidal does in my books. Having said that, you really don't have to pay any subscription fees, just get a free Spotify account. I'm guessing you see the value in the Tidal sub and it's the same sort of deal with Roon. Try the free demo in my vid's description and thanks for watching! 🍻
I bought a BlueSound Node about two years ago and didn’t like it, so I returned it. I finally got an Eversolo DMP-A6 and love it.
I am using roon and though I like it, I think it is overpriced. What I don’t like, I cannot group a RAAT device with a Sonos device.
Sonos does not have bit perfect hardware and has to be converted separately.
Very informative …and we got to see you suffer (we've all been there!).
WIN/WIN! 😀 I am installing a Volumio Rivo and LHY LPS this weekend. I will be runnin Qobuz thru Volumio. After I get that up and running color me "Roon Curious"… My Rivo is even supposed to have a slight boost in Sound Quality via Qobuz/Roon….so we will see.
Thanks again for all the info!
Glad you found it helpful!
What do you use for your Roon Core?
Thanks for the heads up on the Qobuz/Bluesound Node issue. I run my Roon Core on an old Sony VAIO laptop. My N130 is connected to my Mytek DAC via USB and the N130 connected to the laptop with an Ethernet cable. Just subscribed to Qobuz yesterday.
Great video👍👍
Hello again! I use an M1 Mac mini and it's been rock solid with Roon.
Desktop connected to my hifiman ef 400 using the Audeze mm 500 and on my phone using the Chord mojo 2 switching between the blessing 2 iem and Thieaudio oracle mk 2
Innuos Zen III music server.
Thanks for this. I have not been able to fully wrap my head around roon. This vid has been a big help. Am I correct in understanding that one needs a computer running in the background to use roon? Can’t use through iPad/phone to Node only? Deal breaker for me. Gonna give Qobuz a try soon. Tidal now but the connect app is frustrating for me.
@@stevehamilton3181 - FYI, “You won't be able to use your iPad as a Roon Core. When it comes to Apple, Roon Core can only be installed on devices running macOS. Which means only computers will be able to run it, not iPad's or iPhones. They use iOS which is completely different.”
great thorough explanation 👍
Thanks 1Man! 🍻
Thanks for the video. Are you still using Roon?
@@thebestoffools Yep. I ended up splurging on their lifetime membership and use Roon almost every day. 🍻
Pro tip nr 1. IF you got good dac use USB :D Ofc. Then add HQplayer in to ROON and BOOM. Now you got upscaler better than the mighty CHORD M-scaler. That is if you got hefty PC. Coax isnt a reliable connection and can and most likely will suffer from jitter.
Thanks for the tip! I saw HQ Player as an option in the software, and wondered what that was about. Sounds like I’ll be trying this on my M1 mini. Awesome!👍🏻🍻
Roon have been around for so many time now but for me it was always very pricy. Now with the monthly sub I am thinking well maybe I should try it. Its funny...I have used tidal with the MQA files(havent used Qobuz) but I always felt like I am playing the same known to me music and thats it. In the end I was spending so much more time in Spotify just because its so much easier to pick a given list based for example on a mood and thats it you enjoy so much not know to you music. I have always been into hi-res but funny enough i ended with Spotify because of the experience. Now listening to the review and the fact that with Roon I might have that experience but together with the better quality sound it really makes me think... Does it make sense if i dont have so much music on hard drive? Is it worth it if I only use it for tidal or Qobuz with the idea to improve their user experience? If I use it just for music from streaming services do I need the core(PC) running all the time or I just play the app on the phone and push the music to the roon ready device? Does this tv magic work with a modern LG oled? i do like to have the album cover on the screen...Thanks in advance.. it was very well build video!
Thanks man. To answer your questions:
1) I don't have any downloaded music. I just use Roon in conjunction with Qobuz. So in my opinion, it's definitely worth it.
2) Yes, you still need a core, even if you're just streaming like me. It needs to stay on all the time.
3) I'm not sure if it will work with your LG, does it run Chrome OS? If not, you can get a Google TV dongle with Chromecast and it should work through that.
You can get a free Roon trial and see if it works for you. By day 2 of my trial, I knew I wanted to keep it. Now I can't imagine being without Roon, so I bought a lifetime membership. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
I have Roon Server on Mac Mini, the Bluesound Node via USB to Denafrips Iris DDC to Denafrips Pontus II DAC and no issues. Just set it up last night.
I suspect they’ve fixed the issue.
They have!
If your going to use roon I recommend switching from the bluesound to the ifi zen stream. Works perfectly and sounds much better.
Thanks Neil! I'm going to be looking into an other streamer going forward and will check out that zen.
I use Raspberry Pi as a Roon endpoint and really like it but I’m a tinkerer so the setup while not terribly hard, can be intimidating. My key learning is to have Roon upsample the CD-quality stream to DSD512. This made a significant improvement to sound quality on my inexpensive delta sigma DAC. I’m guessing this is because it pushes all the heavy lifting to the PC and bypasses the less capable delta sigma modulation in the chip. Not sure but it definitely improved the soundstage depth and layering over standard PCM.
@@kerryvanderkamp5051 one of my other roon endpoints is a raspberry pi with allo digi one hat, its great!
@@dajikbatarang1 I used an Allo Digione Signature and agree the Allo stuff is great. I like feeding my DAC upsampled DSD512 directly from the Pi 4 over USB even better. The DSP is yet another benefit of Roon that I ignored for years.
No hdmi arc on iFi zen. Deal breaker?
Great review... thank you @MisterChibs. May I ask what wallpaper you're using on your Mac? Thanks in advance. 😉
Thanks man. The live wallpaper app is called "MyWallpaper" once you have that, search for Cyberpunk.
@@MisterChibs Thanks!
Also I pay monthly, I have no idea if Tidal or Qobuz will survive the long haul. Qobuz isnt even available in Canada, so I'm stuck using tidal.
You need to make a really good friend in the USA 😉
@@MisterChibs But the integration of Tidal with Roon is excellent. I use both Tidal and Quobuz with Roon and can tell you that you won't regret using Roon if you're a Tidal subscriber (although I also prefer Quobuz)
@@vitorgoncalves6289 between the 2, Qobuz! Any day of the week!!🍻
@@MisterChibs I find myself listening to my ripped albums more with roon. Those albums usually have superior mastering than what's available on streaming services. That is another reason I love roon.
@@dajikbatarang1 I have so many old CD's from late 90's - early 2000's I should try ripping at some point and see.
How is roon using Chord mojo 2 and quboz together
I don’t typically use the mojo 2 with my Bluesound node. I usually have it hooked up to my loudspeaker setup. Having said that, I’m sure that Roon and Qobuz would work very well with the Mojo 2.
I've spoken to Bluesound extensively about the Roon + USB out issue. It's a software problem in the Node itself, and although the support team is aware of it and they hope to fix it in a future software update, there's no timeline for when that will happen. I was a week past the 30 day return policy by the time I figured this problem out and they refuse to give me a refund. I think it's pretty bad that they advertise that it's Roon Ready and supports USB out when those features don't actually work together (and a Bluesound rep confirmed to me that they do work together before purchase). Bluesound sux.
It's a total shame! The Bluesound Node get's so much right! I didn't think there would be any problems whatsoever. Would love to use my DDC + USB but I guess I'll have to wait until a fix comes. Thanks for sharing!
@@MisterChibs Andrew SGC: The ultraDigital will work well with your Node. I have some customers that use them that way. (I2S) HDMI cable work via converter to I2S? Andrew: yes
I think the issue has been solved. I could not use USB from node to a naim. Now I do. No crackles 😊
Tried Roon, hated it. BluOS is the bomb, behind in firmware updates. Qobuz rock's
Very happy with Qobuz as well.
Hey Mr. Chibs - great video! As a fellow Canadian, I'm just wondering how you scored the Qobuz account? I've been struggling with that for a while now...
Thanks Mike. It helps to have a really really really good American friend that you’ll be indebted to for the foreseeable future. 😉
Alternatively, most Canadians just use Tidal with Roon. Hopefully Roon ends up adopting more streaming services in the future. Amazon would be great. 🍻
@@MisterChibs I agree, would love to see Amazon as an alternative as well
Have you tried using the H190 as an end point, then engaging the DAC Loop feature and bringing in the Denafrips?
I haven't tried that. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the 190 does Dac Loop. I think that feature's reserved for H390 and up. In any case the H190 isn't bit perfect with Roon, so I'de just rather go through a streamer.
Why Bluesound if you already have a DAC?
The Bluesound Node is used as a streamer / Roon endpoint. The DAC decodes what the streamer sends it and converts that to analogue for the amp. Check out my Bluesound Node review. 🍻
Ya I understand that. But if I have a spare imac with Tidal and a DAC, then the Bluesound would be redundant no?@@MisterChibs
@@russksynccaw Not at all. Check out my node review for further explanation. th-cam.com/video/6BLJjELPscM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EPZ1NKT1lPV-pE0T
I don’t get it. Why would you use Roon when you can simply use a really nice Spotify interface?
Why drive Porsche, when you can get by with a Kia? If you didn’t get a sense of why from this vid, check out the free trial. 🍻
@@MisterChibs you replied :) really enjoyed your video Mr Chib. I did try to download the app but it looks like I need the amp which is compatible. I’m am still a bit dubious as the Spotify app adjusts to your listening style very well bit it all might make sense once I get a compatible amp. On a different topic I’m thinking of buying the Hegel h120 and was wondering if you might be reviewing it? I have just bought Focal Aria 948 speakers which have high sensitivity but low impedance so I’m in a bit of a dilemma with what amp to buy for it. No real budget but would like it matched to quality of the speakers. 🙄
@@hiluxjase6665 I’ve demoed the H120 and ended up buying the H190. Great amps! Video review is here
Hegel H190 Review
th-cam.com/video/fzVxzfnxCEI/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps! 🍻
Very entertaining video. Good job! I totally agree with you on roons song selection….it’s crazy good.
If you can, definitely give a raspberry pi a try. It sounds phenomenal and you can use roon with it of course. I went from an Auralic Altair G1 $4000 streamer/DAC to a Pi with a Pontus 2. It’s sounds WAY better.
Thank you Mike!! Wow, that's crazy! Wondering how much of that difference is Pontus 2 and how much is Pi. I think Pi's are still really tough to get but will keep my eye out.
What is a DDC?
DDC stands for Digital to Digital Converter. It cleans up the signal from your source going into your DAC. All part of the audio rabbit hole I jumped down 🤣
“High-fi trip” is the epitome of ‘first world problems! 🤔😅😜😎. In lesser magnitude I feel your pain on the device software side. New Bluesound Edge owner with random HDMI-Arc issues. Tv sound coming across at maybe 50 percent volume when switching through app. Researched and know problem for over 2 years now. HDMI-Arc a huge selling point over spending MUCH more for Bluesound. Basic bus handshake not flawless. In fact, buggy. Zero reviewers call this out. Learning to check support forums first before buying. Oh, and of course the Hegel works perfectly! 😇 Appreciate your work! Cheers 🍻
@@TD05SSLegacy Thanks man! I'm an honest reviewer. When I have a problem, I call it out. Good idea on checking the support forums first. 🍻
I think the crackling issue has been solved. I could not use USB from node to a naim. Now I do. No crackles 😊
It has! It was patched in a Node firmware update a couple of months ago. I'm now able to use my DDC with BS Node via USB as a result. That's my next video actually. 🍻
@@MisterChibs I am looking forward to your new video. Greetings from France
Unfortunately in Canada Qobuz isn’t available
There’s a rumor that we’re supposed to get Qobuz in Canada this year. I won’t hold be breath but it would be nice. Qobuz is awesome. 🍻
Just saw this and it looks like we’re getting Qobuz in May!
www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/canada-is-about-to-get-another-streaming-music-service-and-if-you-like-high-quality-audio-pay-attention/
@@MisterChibs yes thanks … already subscribed!
Next time someone asks me why I don't do wireless streaming I'm just going to show them this video. There's a certain type of guy who loves troubleshooting and tinkering and doing deep dives on internet forums and that is not me - life is too short! Quite happy with the sound coming from my iPad or MacBook hardwired into my DAC, and for me Apple Music UI > Roon.
Haha well I certainly appreciate you sharing this review in any case. FWIW I don’t love trouble shooting! No sir!! The problem I was having was fixed by Bluesound via a firmware update and Roon is amazing enough for me to recommend to everyone and their brother. Unfortunately, it isn’t compatible with Apple Music. If you want to give it a try, you may be surprised how quickly your opinion changes. And this coming from someone that still uses Apple Music. Having said that, thanks for watching and sharing your point of view. 🍻
@@MisterChibs Haha yeah I was teasing a little with that, glad you got your bug fixed. I've tried Roon a couple of times and never got on with it, the idea of running a separate server on a mac mini or NAS was always a bit too involved for me since all I have is my main laptop and an iPad. And when I tried to play things I'd always get errors which I found exasperating. A quick look at the Roon community forum shows there's plenty of bugs around still. Anyway thanks for the reply and best of luck with the channel : )
@@sonnyvarioni1654Thank you Sonny! 👍🏻🍻
The reasons you gave for why you would even need it are exactly my thoughts, and what it offers is also my problem.
So often I sit down in my listening chair and think “I want to hear something new…” but end up going through my own playlists.
Now you’ve given me FOMO, dammit!
Does the month trial still work???
Yep! Still works if you want a month to try Roon out. Let me know how you like it. 🍻
roonlabs.com/r/ginFcYS3XUOkWa4H6UrYmQ
nice vid and a review i wanted always to see. i just tested it and only for streaming it makes no sense to pay for that. tidal is doing 80% the same. sure some functions are maybe missing but i reviewed them side by side and not sure i want to use that. than i do have to fiddle around with roon app , tidal app, blueos app....in terms of suggested music tidal is doing exactly the same. not worth for me but i do not have music anymore stored somewhere.....
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I remember liking Tidal's suggestion algorithm as well. I personally find Roon works for me better and like you, I don't have any of my own files. Roon's definitely not for everyone though, and it's good you tried it out and came to your own conclusion 👍🍻
This was a good review. I don't think you mentioned it but Roon costs $12.99/month if you do monthly or $9.99 per month if you pay a year upfront.
Starting January 1st 2023 their prices are jumping to $12.49 yearly and $14.99 monthly.
Thanks Marshall! I decided to bite the bullet & get a lifetime subscription for $699.99. That also gets raised to $829.99 in 2023. Last night I got Roon Arc set up for the first time and can't wait to test that out. It's going to be a fun year! 🍻
@@MisterChibs same here, it was my come to Jesus moment. It was either now or never. Because 699 seemed doable for me but 829 was just too rich for my blood.
Awesome review! What song is that?
Thanks Hugo!! Which song, the one at the end?
The one that starts on the downloading and setup part “game begin”. It is stuck in my head :)
@@hugocosta179 Haha, welcome to my brain on repeat these last 4 or 5 days. It's called "Super Duper" by Ian Post. Link below 😉th-cam.com/video/wmXzkOeVYpI/w-d-xo.html
@@MisterChibs 😂. Btw your review of the H190 was spot on and it contributed to my final decision to finally buy it. Down to earth and spot on. Thank for replying and for your content.
@@hugocosta179 So glad to help out Hugo!!!! Enjoy the H190!👍
I learned of that problem a couple of months ago. You’re right, just use coax. Now that you have Qobuz with BluOS you are probably aware you can’t organise your albums in artist order, only in last added order. That’s an issue that BluOS blame on Qobuz and Qobuz blame on BluOS. It’s not going to change. Qobuz are set to introduce Qobuz Connect next year, that will be a work around and may also possibly allow artist order to become available within the actual BluOS app.
I still have issues with the lack of albums I search for on Qobuz, I added all 700 of my albums from Apple Music to my Tidal and only missed about 15. With Qobuz it was about 120. That’s unacceptable to me. Sound quality, Tidal is better on lots of albums but Qobuz was better on some. Overall it was a wash.
I don’t use a computer so Roon is not a thing. But I would still stick with the Bluesound node, it’s simple and it works.
Thanks for sharing! Aussie, you have no idea what you'r missing with Roon. I knew people liked it but feel like I should have tried it out sooner. I won't go back! Shame you don't have a computer you can demo it on. I would seriously consider getting something cheep with a 30 day return window just so you could try out Roon. It's next level man! 🍻
@@MisterChibs I’m too stoopid to know how to turn a computer on. It would just add another complication to life. I like my iPad, it’s about as much technology as my brain can deal with.
@@aussie8114 I doubt that! Look into Nucleus from Roon. I think they have a 30 day window as well. You’ll never have to worry about how your tracks are organized again and you’ll end up thanking me once you realize what you’ve been missing.
@@MisterChibs Pick albums released on this day. Library's imo horder mentality. Save albums or songs to favorites.
@@aussie8114 I thought you could use an iPad as the 'source' or whatever the word they use
I spent 7 hours today troubleshooting and still can't get Roon to work properly, which is how I stumbled upon your video. For a company that wants to charge $149.00 per year and $829 lifetime I'd think they could have some type of customer service other than a bulletin board full of messages ala 1990. Good grief!
7 hours 😮Ouch! Y’know I agree with you. For what they charge, they should have a 1-800 number with qualified English (as their first language) speaking tech support to help. Unfortunately this method seems to be passé, especially with newer companies.
I actually used the forum to get ARC up and running. I couldn’t figure out what was going on and was about to dismiss ARC altogether but figured I’de give it a try. Someone replied almost right away and then someone else. We went back and forth and ended up narrowing my problem to the main modem’s NAT needing a port to be open for Roon as well as my separate wireless router. Something I had no clue about. Before you give up, I suggest giving the help forum a try. A lot of patient nerds willing help over there! Let me know how you do and what you think of Roon should you get it up and running. Also, thanks for watching! 🍻
@Mr Chibs Just as I was about to call it quits, someone reached out to me and suggested that I check to make sure both Roon and Qobuz were allowed to bypass the Windows firewall on my PC, which they were not. I corrected that issue, although it didn't immediately solve the problem since I have a third-party firewall installed. It was an intuitive fix though and I was up and running pretty quickly after that. Now that it's all said and done it's a little embarrassing that it took 7 plus hours and the advice of a stranger to figure it out, but it is what it is I suppose. Nonetheless, I'm just a few hours into exploring Roon and love it so far. I'm looking forward to seeing how it unfolds as I put more hours into it. BTW, love your Cornwalls!
@@jackj3917 Thank you Jack. Firewalls are such a PITA sometimes. Glad to see you got sorted and are enjoying Roon!🍻
For an $829 cost ill pass, Ill use the built in Wiim software for streaming and to play my local files that I have setup on a DLNA share.
Roon wont be around in 3-5 years.
Wiim software certainly gets the job done but saying Roon won't be around in 3 to 5 years is completely baseless. Wiim pro will eventually be Roon ready. Once it is (assuming you have the pro and not the mini) try the free Roon demo and you'll see if it's worth the entry cost. It was to me and many others. Thanks for watching. 🍻
@@MisterChibs If Roon had a more reasonable price point I would buy, like maybe $200 with paid updates ever couple years but $829 is just crazy expensive... there also is no guarantee they will be around in 3-5 years...
Just look at MQA.
man try Audirvana
Roon have a good product, but they are even greedier than Adobe :(
Yes, a certain amount of greed makes this stuff available to us. Every business has a bottom line. I payed for Roon because I see the value. I subscribe to Adobe for the same reason 🍻
sweet, now that that intro gave me severe hearing loss, i odn't have to spend the money
Glad to help 🤣
@@MisterChibs That was a really good review though! Your levels are a bit messed up though, coming from that intro, you sounded like you were whispering
@@HotRatsAndTheStooges thanks for the heads up. I’ll watch for this in the future🍻
600$ for lifetime subscription is nothing lol 😂 and not worth sweating whether Roon will be around 5yrs in the future 😂
If you’re happy, it’s worth it. 🍻
$829 is what they are telling me...
@@michaelwright1602 It went up @ the beginning of 2023. It was $700 USD before.
Sorry dude, I was annoyed a minute in and wont be back. Constructive criticism.
Happy to get constructive criticism but you haven't left any.