Excellent video Bob! It would of been easy to just throw together something right after the auction, but bringing Mark in for further discussion really ups the content. You guys hit it on the head. It’s hard to understand what people our age (50+) are feeling with these high school dream cars when we’ve been driving them all our lives and never got rid of them. Keep it up!
MAN YOU PROBABLY WOULD KNOW THIS DID SALEEN BUILD A 93 COBRA SLASH SALEEN LOL I KNOW SALEEN BUILT A TERMINATOR COBRA SLASH SALEEN BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE 93 COBRAS IF THEY BUILT A SALEEN SLASH COBRA.
I HATE IT THAT THE CAR DEALERS MARK UP THE PRICES OF THE CAR'S. FOR INSTANCE MY 4 SHELBYS ALL OF THEM WERE MARKED UP ESPECIALLY MY CONVERTABLE 427 EDITION SUPER SNAKE LOL BEFORE IT WAS SUPER SNAKED THE DEALER MARKED IT UP 25 GRAND OVER STICKER AND HONESTLY I DON'T AGREE WITH IT OR LIKE THAT THE DEALERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BLUE COLLAR GUYS LIKE OURSELVES.
I have 87 fox body Saleen that I am somewhat restoring. It’s black and looks so much like this one that just sold. Mines # 50 hard top. It’s nice to see these cars finally get some recognition
Sounds like those famous Foxbody TH-camrs fell asleep on this one. To be honest I'm glad this was covered first by two well known and respected enthusiasts in the Saleen community.
I think its because they don't have as much knowledge as Bob and Mark on these cars. Most other channels just regurgitate the known information out there and still get it wrong. Lol
Thanks for getting Mark's direct input for this Bob. Very helpful in understanding the market in current conditions. If only I was in the market myself!
Well, I for one don't like driving my 88 saleen that much. Its not comfy. But I do like looking at it. I have accepted that these cars have arrived in the collector market. Its bitter sweet because you can't really buy and sell as freely as before unless you have money like that. But its nice to know if you have one that its recognized and valuable. Being realistic on the value of your car makes things easier. I'm lucky to have bought back mine. As far as foxbody ranging in price and this example selling for crazy money well, a hemi Cuda realistically isn't worth the money it commands when you judge it by its features, brakes, handling, etc. But it is what it is because of it being in limited numbers and emotional for buyers. Same goes for the almighty foxbody!!!!!!
@@PuristMotorsports it isn't hard to make an old car smoke new cars in every way shape or form. Put their drivelines and brakes on those much lighter cars and watch what happens lol. You can modernize a vehicle and not everyone needs all that fancy stuff and gadgets I kind of like NOT having that it makes it more about the drive. My daily is a 16 that has alot of stuff like that but my 07 gt500, which has a blower swap making 750+ wheel, don't have really much plush amenities than one of these cars other than the aftermarket 7 inch screen infotainment that you could also put into a fox. I like the fact it's raw and don't have all those driving nannies and fancy gadgets.
I’m in the market for a Saleen I own a feature car right now and was wondering if you think the foxbody feature cars are ever going to get to the level of the Saleen??? Because of the limited number??
It is possible for those to rise in value and they have gone higher relative to the other models due to their limited production, but compared to a 1 of 3 or a 1 of 10 or even one of 30, there are a lot more of those limited edition convertibles than the model breakdown within Saleen production. Total Saleen Mustang production from 1984-1993 was just over 2700 units. That number includes all Mustang Models. That's not much for 10 years. And when you break it down from that into each sub category the numbers get REALLY small. For example, there are only two convertibles in 1985. So it's hard to compare a Ford production model against a small manufacturer like Saleen. However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and anything is possible in the future. Values can rise quick due to desire and peoples awareness. So who knows what will happen with what model. The limited edition convertibles are desirable. That's for sure. And are indicated by the prices of the pristine low mileage examples.
I have to make a correction on the Porsche 959. The reason why the 959 is so coveted it's because they were not crash tested in German hence they would not sleep legal to be imported anywhere around the world but driven in Germany only. Not to mention doing that time when the 959 came out before at 40 came out and Porsche was on the verge of bankruptcy. They didn't cala bankruptcy called it till late 97 when the Porsche boxster came out to save their ass.
Great discussion guys👍 From the amount of folks posting in the Saleen Facebook groups that they want to buy a Fox Saleen, demand is definitely outstripping supply Another way things like this effect the hobby is I probably once again need to increase the agreed value coverage on my car. First world problems I know.
Good money for that car but not too shocking...such a rare car and I recall watching a Mecum auction where the Commentators put two cars in a 200k bracket for prediction and one was an SA-10 the other was a rare 60's Corvette...
Somehow the lure to the SA10 has to be the customization of each one. So many custom options and none of them are the same. The SC's are all unique too though. One had color matching wheels, this one has Work wheels, the Hatchback has three piece sterns. So the SC's are all unique too. And the SC's were the first to get the Alcon brakes and vented hood. Either way, SA10 or 1993 SC, they are investment grade cars.
There is ZERO logic applied to collector car values once you really think about it. I mean, c'mon man...the founder of Weathertech paid $80,000,000 US dollars for a single car. Sure, it was a super rare 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO(39 total built) but that still doesn't make any sense once you really start thinking about all the stuff you could buy with 80 frickin MILLION DOLLARS!. Were talking vacation homes, planes, boats, pretty much every fox mustang worth owning, etc, etc, and you'd still have millions left over...and some dude spent all that on ONE FRICKIN CAR! And the kicker?...that car is projected to be worth $100 MILLION in the not-so-distant future. The dude is going to make $20 MILLION profit...on a single automobile transaction! Once all that info sinks in, the $226K for this 1993 Saleen seems like a pitiful joke.
I think we all try to make some kind of logic from it, but I don't disagree with you. It's no different than someone buying a Rolex. A Timex watch serves the same purpose but the Rolex is 100 or 1000 times the cost of one. So why buy a Rolex? Or buy an Apple watch at a fraction of the cost with tons more features and current technology? Yet the Rolex brand still sells today. It's definitely an emotional purchase or a business purchase like you pointed to with potential profit. However, almost a quarter of a million for a Fox Mustang is rather head scratching. Even if it is a Saleen.
Not so sure about that, the 1993 SC convertible is actually more rare than a SA10. They only built 3 compared to 9 built for the SA10 cars. That's a 66% reduction, making it significantly less likely that you'll ever have a chance to actually own a 1993 SC convertible
wow you could build that same car way over the top and not even come close to that ridiculous price. I think these prices will eventually come back to reality. it's a fox body not a supercar.
Mark did touch on this in his comments in the video. Are we in a bubble? We really won’t know until it is over. But people are paying way above sticker price on new cars. Does that bleed over to the collector cars? I see high prices on everything. Used cars, collector cars and new cars.
@@PuristMotorsports I was just commenting on the price that saleen fox body went for. I know everything is way overpriced but I was lucky enough to get my new bronco at msrp and not pay these ridiculous prices and yes obviously whomever bought that fox body was willing to pay that price but that than has the ripple effect of everyone thinking their car is worth way more than it actually is. It would just be nice to see collector prices come back down to a point where the average blue collar worker could afford them.
You are one of the few to get the new Bronco as advertised. A local dealer to me (not a Ford dealer) was buying them and marking them up. I don’t disagree with you. The price hike definitely takes people out of play. At $40+k I’m looking at other options other than Fox Mustangs.
@@PuristMotorsports yes I actually got mine this past November and was lucky enough to deal with a dealer who didn't mark up since I ordered it. I do love fox body's I want a 93 cobra more than anything but since this price hike everything I've found is well over 50,000. so I as well have to look at other year mustangs that haven't hit this price hike yet. I love the car hobby and it's great meeting other car enthusiasts I just hope at some point it levels out so everyone can afford to take part in enjoying these great cars.
I agree. You’re not the only one to recognize the prices are changing the hobby. Have you seen the Acura RSX prices? It’s 80’s and 90’s cars going crazy in prices. Part of it is that most (foxes included) were abused and rode hard. Modified and cut up as well to go fast. So the nicer examples are few. I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t know. But it is kinda cool to watch. I’m on the sidelines with all these prices though. I got lucky and bought the red Saleen three years ago this fall before prices soared.
I’ve been pining for someone to talk about this in detail. Thanks Bob and Mark
Welcome! 🙌 Thanks for watching.
Excellent video Bob! It would of been easy to just throw together something right after the auction, but bringing Mark in for further discussion really ups the content. You guys hit it on the head. It’s hard to understand what people our age (50+) are feeling with these high school dream cars when we’ve been driving them all our lives and never got rid of them. Keep it up!
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MAN YOU PROBABLY WOULD KNOW THIS DID SALEEN BUILD A 93 COBRA SLASH SALEEN LOL I KNOW SALEEN BUILT A TERMINATOR COBRA SLASH SALEEN BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE 93 COBRAS IF THEY BUILT A SALEEN SLASH COBRA.
I HONESTLY THINK YOUR BLACK ANIVERSARY 93 SALEEN WILL BE 200GRAND BEFORE LONG TIME TOO COME.
I AM VERY LUCKY TO HAVE SOME REALLY RARE CAR'S IN MY COLLECTION BUT I THINK I GIVE A LEG LOOOL TOO HAVE YOUR SALEEN.
I HATE IT THAT THE CAR DEALERS MARK UP THE PRICES OF THE CAR'S. FOR INSTANCE MY 4 SHELBYS ALL OF THEM WERE MARKED UP ESPECIALLY MY CONVERTABLE 427 EDITION SUPER SNAKE LOL BEFORE IT WAS SUPER SNAKED THE DEALER MARKED IT UP 25 GRAND OVER STICKER AND HONESTLY I DON'T AGREE WITH IT OR LIKE THAT THE DEALERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BLUE COLLAR GUYS LIKE OURSELVES.
Nice video. Loved that content. I’ve always like the look of the Saleen. Maybe some time I’ll make mine into a clone.
Thanks! It may be a good enough excuse to get another one and make a clone out of it. 😉😎
I have 87 fox body Saleen that I am somewhat restoring. It’s black and looks so much like this one that just sold. Mines # 50 hard top. It’s nice to see these cars finally get some recognition
I agree. Saleen is becoming more of a household name within the Mustang community.
Excellent vid, Bob!
I’d love to find a Foxbody Saleen.
Keep looking. There are deals out there.
@@PuristMotorsports I’m still working on my SVO!! lol 😂 !!
Can’t have too many! 😂🤣
@@PuristMotorsports I heard that!!! I’ve got to be really selective about it. Btw I really love your black Saleen. Isn’t it #4?
Thanks. You’re correct. It would have been SA10 #04.
Sounds like those famous Foxbody TH-camrs fell asleep on this one.
To be honest I'm glad this was covered first by two well known and respected enthusiasts in the Saleen community.
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I think its because they don't have as much knowledge as Bob and Mark on these cars. Most other channels just regurgitate the known information out there and still get it wrong. Lol
Thanks for getting Mark's direct input for this Bob. Very helpful in understanding the market in current conditions. If only I was in the market myself!
Well, I for one don't like driving my 88 saleen that much. Its not comfy. But I do like looking at it. I have accepted that these cars have arrived in the collector market. Its bitter sweet because you can't really buy and sell as freely as before unless you have money like that. But its nice to know if you have one that its recognized and valuable.
Being realistic on the value of your car makes things easier. I'm lucky to have bought back mine. As far as foxbody ranging in price and this example selling for crazy money well, a hemi Cuda realistically isn't worth the money it commands when you judge it by its features, brakes, handling, etc. But it is what it is because of it being in limited numbers and emotional for buyers. Same goes for the almighty foxbody!!!!!!
I agree. It’s more about nostalgia than performance numbers. Because if it were all about performance, all old cars would be scrapped and replaced.
@@PuristMotorsports it isn't hard to make an old car smoke new cars in every way shape or form. Put their drivelines and brakes on those much lighter cars and watch what happens lol. You can modernize a vehicle and not everyone needs all that fancy stuff and gadgets I kind of like NOT having that it makes it more about the drive. My daily is a 16 that has alot of stuff like that but my 07 gt500, which has a blower swap making 750+ wheel, don't have really much plush amenities than one of these cars other than the aftermarket 7 inch screen infotainment that you could also put into a fox. I like the fact it's raw and don't have all those driving nannies and fancy gadgets.
Agreed! Turn off the Nannie’s! That’s the first thing an instructor will tell you when you start learning how to drive in the track.
I’m in the market for a Saleen I own a feature car right now and was wondering if you think the foxbody feature cars are ever going to get to the level of the Saleen??? Because of the limited number??
It is possible for those to rise in value and they have gone higher relative to the other models due to their limited production, but compared to a 1 of 3 or a 1 of 10 or even one of 30, there are a lot more of those limited edition convertibles than the model breakdown within Saleen production. Total Saleen Mustang production from 1984-1993 was just over 2700 units. That number includes all Mustang Models. That's not much for 10 years. And when you break it down from that into each sub category the numbers get REALLY small. For example, there are only two convertibles in 1985. So it's hard to compare a Ford production model against a small manufacturer like Saleen. However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and anything is possible in the future. Values can rise quick due to desire and peoples awareness. So who knows what will happen with what model. The limited edition convertibles are desirable. That's for sure. And are indicated by the prices of the pristine low mileage examples.
I have to make a correction on the Porsche 959. The reason why the 959 is so coveted it's because they were not crash tested in German hence they would not sleep legal to be imported anywhere around the world but driven in Germany only. Not to mention doing that time when the 959 came out before at 40 came out and Porsche was on the verge of bankruptcy. They didn't cala bankruptcy called it till late 97 when the Porsche boxster came out to save their ass.
Great discussion guys👍
From the amount of folks posting in the Saleen Facebook groups that they want to buy a Fox Saleen, demand is definitely outstripping supply
Another way things like this effect the hobby is I probably once again need to increase the agreed value coverage on my car. First world problems I know.
Good money for that car but not too shocking...such a rare car and I recall watching a Mecum auction where the Commentators put two cars in a 200k bracket for prediction and one was an SA-10 the other was a rare 60's Corvette...
Somehow the lure to the SA10 has to be the customization of each one. So many custom options and none of them are the same. The SC's are all unique too though. One had color matching wheels, this one has Work wheels, the Hatchback has three piece sterns. So the SC's are all unique too. And the SC's were the first to get the Alcon brakes and vented hood. Either way, SA10 or 1993 SC, they are investment grade cars.
There is ZERO logic applied to collector car values once you really think about it. I mean, c'mon man...the founder of Weathertech paid $80,000,000 US dollars for a single car. Sure, it was a super rare 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO(39 total built) but that still doesn't make any sense once you really start thinking about all the stuff you could buy with 80 frickin MILLION DOLLARS!. Were talking vacation homes, planes, boats, pretty much every fox mustang worth owning, etc, etc, and you'd still have millions left over...and some dude spent all that on ONE FRICKIN CAR! And the kicker?...that car is projected to be worth $100 MILLION in the not-so-distant future. The dude is going to make $20 MILLION profit...on a single automobile transaction! Once all that info sinks in, the $226K for this 1993 Saleen seems like a pitiful joke.
I think we all try to make some kind of logic from it, but I don't disagree with you. It's no different than someone buying a Rolex. A Timex watch serves the same purpose but the Rolex is 100 or 1000 times the cost of one. So why buy a Rolex? Or buy an Apple watch at a fraction of the cost with tons more features and current technology? Yet the Rolex brand still sells today. It's definitely an emotional purchase or a business purchase like you pointed to with potential profit. However, almost a quarter of a million for a Fox Mustang is rather head scratching. Even if it is a Saleen.
I guess this is what to expect a SA10 to sell for plus . Lol
One would think. That’s for sure.
Not so sure about that, the 1993 SC convertible is actually more rare than a SA10. They only built 3 compared to 9 built for the SA10 cars. That's a 66% reduction, making it significantly less likely that you'll ever have a chance to actually own a 1993 SC convertible
@@gdb5448 that's a valid point. Behind the scenes the SA10's seem to bring more for some reason.
@@gdb5448 its been over 10yrs since one has been sold , all the hype going on would not suprise me to see it hit 300k plus.
DUDE I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT ONE BACK IN THE DAY.
wow you could build that same car way over the top and not even come close to that ridiculous price. I think these prices will eventually come back to reality. it's a fox body not a supercar.
Mark did touch on this in his comments in the video. Are we in a bubble? We really won’t know until it is over. But people are paying way above sticker price on new cars. Does that bleed over to the collector cars? I see high prices on everything. Used cars, collector cars and new cars.
@@PuristMotorsports I was just commenting on the price that saleen fox body went for. I know everything is way overpriced but I was lucky enough to get my new bronco at msrp and not pay these ridiculous prices and yes obviously whomever bought that fox body was willing to pay that price but that than has the ripple effect of everyone thinking their car is worth way more than it actually is. It would just be nice to see collector prices come back down to a point where the average blue collar worker could afford them.
You are one of the few to get the new Bronco as advertised. A local dealer to me (not a Ford dealer) was buying them and marking them up.
I don’t disagree with you. The price hike definitely takes people out of play. At $40+k I’m looking at other options other than Fox Mustangs.
@@PuristMotorsports yes I actually got mine this past November and was lucky enough to deal with a dealer who didn't mark up since I ordered it. I do love fox body's I want a 93 cobra more than anything but since this price hike everything I've found is well over 50,000. so I as well have to look at other year mustangs that haven't hit this price hike yet. I love the car hobby and it's great meeting other car enthusiasts I just hope at some point it levels out so everyone can afford to take part in enjoying these great cars.
I agree. You’re not the only one to recognize the prices are changing the hobby. Have you seen the Acura RSX prices? It’s 80’s and 90’s cars going crazy in prices. Part of it is that most (foxes included) were abused and rode hard. Modified and cut up as well to go fast. So the nicer examples are few. I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t know. But it is kinda cool to watch. I’m on the sidelines with all these prices though. I got lucky and bought the red Saleen three years ago this fall before prices soared.
It’s a beautiful car, but I can’t believe it sold for that kind of money 💰
Wtf!