I am SO thankful for this wisdom & education that I am being exposed to by Dr. Gore! I hope to God that I will be able to retain it! God Bless you sir for sharing what He has taught you!!! 🙏🏼
Actual writer/author. Actual readers of the original letters. Actual meanings for their time. Which we can apply today, but it had actual meaning for them. "...for the time is near'
Wow Bruce you answer so many questions and clarify in a professional, eye opening, engaging and interesting manner. Your speeking tone and fluctuations keep me engaged in the teachings. Thank you for making these available on TH-cam. God Bless you for your energy and time in servas to the Lord and the body! Preterism, futurism, dispensationalism etc etc so confusing for a truth seeker but helpful videos like this put the mind to rest :)
Actually, the Ephesian church recovered and survived into the Ottoman era. The only church of the seven to enjoy a continuous existence into modern times is the church at Smyrna. The community was destroyed in 1922 and its last resident bishop Chrysostomos Kalafatis was murdered by a Turkish lynch mob on 10 September of that year. For perspective, my father was born in 1920.
Excellent overview again Bruce Gore. Can't help but feel you give an excellent mixture of historical knowledge and spiritual vitality in your messages. I can't help but think that the letters to the seven churches teach us a lot about our own churches in the modern day and provide a pattern to work towards as we seek maturity in Christ. Thanks again and looking forward to the next lecture.
Thank you so much for your teaching on eschatology. I've heard it twice previously and have begun on a third listen. Good to know of some of the historical views. I found your teaching after proving for myself that the Premillennial views are incorrect -- they are fraught with contradictions, not to mention the ignoring or twisting of dozens of "soon" or "time is at hand" time statements throughout the New Testament. Thanks again. God bless you, Bruce Gore.
I really liked your Sunday School lesson in this video. It is definitely true that none of us have it all figured out, and the one of the dangers of becoming knowledgeable is to become puffed up to the point we can't learn from the simple things. Everyone knows something that another doesn't, even though one may be far more educated than the other the saying still holds true that a teacher is often taught by their students.
What a blessing that you make your teachings so easily available. Thank you for your faithfulness in teaching and presenting the truth of God's word. Going through Revelation like this is so needed, and you do it so very well. Many giants of the faith have avoided such teaching of this book and finally after much prayer the Holy Spirit has used your teachings to bless me with an understanding of this awesome book. I especially appreciate how you ended your lesson with humility as too not boast. Thanks again, and please continue with this ministry because it does matter.
Thank you! I hope you will have opportunity to follow along as we start a two year verse by verse study of Revelation this fall (2019), mid September. Say a prayer! We need it!
Thank you so much for sharing these treasure classes online! I've barely started and I can't wait to watch through everything! I can't express how humbling it was when you said we must keep digging instead of thinking we already know everything. That coming from a man whose knowledge is 100 times bigger than all the knowledge I could ever dream about having. Much respect!
He is wrong about this. Every message is in "spirit" not in physical papers or letters. That is why the phrase...."those that overcome will not be hurt by the second death"..i.e. This is an occurrence in the future after ALL of us have experienced the "first death", the death of the body. He is wrong. I have tested you Mr. Gore and found you to be false....
@@icanfartloudthose letters were all physical letters delivered to those churches in order to prepare for Great Trib, which John plainly states in the opening of the book that he is their companion in that tribulation.
Doctor Gore you made the most profound statement - let us continue to pursue truth and not think we know it all, for the danger of becoming a heretic is ever- present.
@@GoreBruce Dr Gore, I have a question about Rev 3:9 - I heard John MacArthur say, "the persecuters will bow down/worship before the church to know that I loved you". I do not follow JM but his statement got me upset and wondering of its true interpretation. Can you explain? Many thanks!
@@careylou John is assuring the Christian church in Philadelphia that those who claimed to be true Jews, the true people of God, seed of Abraham, would at some point see their error, namely that the true Seed of Abraham (Gal. 3), the true Jews (Romans 2:28,29), the true people of God (1 Peter 2:1ff) were those of faith in Christ. Those who clung to the Old Covenant religion were not a synagogue of worship of the true God, but a synagogue of the worship of Satan, as their own leaders had declared at the trial of Jesus when they said: We have no king but Caesar. (John 19:15),
@@careylou They would certainly not worship the church. That would be idolatry. Through faith in Christ, they would become participants in the church, joining other Christian believers in worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm an amateur theologian and I think even i can grasp what is being pointed out about dismissing revelation. I think I have taken it for granted that I understand the significance Christ's second coming, not on a donkey but a white horse. I need to let this sink in - that many people miss this message, and the wrath of God becomes a stumbling block. a paradox in our human minds - aren't those always great learning opportunities?!?! praise be to Yehovah the Father and His only son Yehushua, THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH I DON'T WANT TO MISS A SINGLE JOT OR TITTLE
Hi Bruce! I have listen to a lot of your TH-cam videos and have learned a lot and it’s all free. Like taking a college class. Thank you much. Can you do a class on woman pastors and woman in the church? Thanks
Question I would like to pose to the church would be, What exactly is the freedom we now have in Christ, scripture and precepts preferred? (~20:00 in video)
The Book of Revelation was written to churches which existed in the first century AD - churches who were about to face persecution from Nero - who was known to his own citizens as "that great beast". Nero - who had statues to himself placed at the Agora and refused entry to anyone who wanted to buy or sell unless they worshiped him. Once you know who the "Beast" of Revelation truly was, you will no longer fall for every new idea that comes along. Dr Kenneth Gentry knocks it out of the park with this teaching
+diego charlin: Are you citing Gentry when you note that "Nero ... had statues to himself placed at the Agora and refused entry to anyone who wanted to buy or sell unless they worshiped him"? Wondering where you found that tidbit about "the beast."
@@tolar9 I am quite doubtful about that tidbit too as I have never heard of this. Such obvious a correspondence with the images of the Apocalypse would be cited more often, if it really existed in ancient sources.
@ diego charlin Thank you so much for that historical information that helps us understand the famous 666 stuff. But there is something I don't understand : Rev says that the beast was thrown into the lake of fire but Nero committed suicide. Do you have an explanation ?
I listened yo your lessons again marathon since last night focusing on the revelation and roman enpire. It is a very detail and clear. Thank you profesor
Thankyou for a great lecture. Have you noticed that what you said here, 42:19, resembles the double slit experiment in quantum physics? As I understand it, it would be that the minute you clap eyes on something it becomes a solid (and, therefore of course, plays a different role in your life than if it stayed a wave). I think it's fun to think about. The minute you stop and pay attention, the verb becomes a noun. You don't build a monument to a verb but you do ......to a noun. Then I find myself wondering how to stay a verb in the Lord. It would have to be very basic because I have a lot of nouns hanging off me.
I like to think that since God chose the written word to communicate his word through, that he would also protect it..and perhaps the reason why we lost Melito’s commentary on revelation, that it was a way to protect Gods people from false teaching..which of course is speculation..but from what you mentioned, he seemed to have a divergent idea of what it meant, than of what the text says..
Hello Bruce! I’ve been following your lessons in revelation for several years now and have never been so blessed!! Your litigation experience really shines through in your didactic style, and is such a pleasure to listen to. I’m in seminary and doing a course on revelation, and I’d like to read some of your primary and secondary sources, can you post a bibliography on your channel? Cheers! - Jeffrey Paddock
Any idea who the 7 stars in the Lord's hand represent? IF these churches are only geographical locations rather than ages it seems odd that Jesus would consider these messengers/pastors as stars in his hand yet we know so little about them... Consider: Paul, Ireneaus, Columba, Martin, Martin Luther, John Wesley, William Branham, All these men had very clear influence on their age.
It is crazy how some people think that the Christians who are ready will be the church of Philadelphia when it was an actual church in a city during the first century.
Love the history on Chiallism of the early church. I can see the premillennialism influences from the Jewish teaching. But where did the church go and to whom do we trust? Origen? Augustine? I hold to an Amil frame, but lightly. Again, the church fell away into politics and then the papacy. Why do we accept the reformed teaching but reject its eschatology?
Brother Bruce makes me think of a quote I recently read ----he has knowledge that rises high but settles nowhere. Nothing is for sure - everything is speculative. The book of Revelation is a - revelation, not a mystery. One last quote - close your eyes for your eyes will only tell the truth and the truth is not what you want to see, in the dark it is easier to pretend that the truth is what it ought to be. God did not give us the bible as an exercise in philosophy but as truth revealed.
@@banhammer3904 the issue or mystery is not when - but the fact that there will be a 2nd coming is the revelation....Bruce does not know his bible - he knows history but is not able to correlate the 2. He offers no exegesis on a text but he does do a lot of critical comment but doesn't appear to stand on any position. History does not save us or teach us doctrine.
Bruce, thank you for this material. I am preparing to teach a class on Revelation in the near future and have found this series most helpful. I do have one question from this presentation, regarding the Ebionites and the Alogoi. You mention that they believed in Jesus as the messiah and that he would soon return to establish the kingdom and fulfill Jewish messianic expectations. Do we have any actual quotes from 2nd century Ebionites/Alogoi regarding this, or just reference to such by some of the church fathers (if so which)?
I'm not aware of any primary Ebionite writings. Eusebius mentions them in his History, and the writings related to the Arian controversy presuppose the Jewish tradition traced to Antioch.
Thank you. I'm trying to find the place in the writings of Eusibius to substantiate the claim. I see reference of such not only in your lecture and comment, but elsewhere as well, but meanwhile am not seeing the exact reference. I did find this from Schaff though: "“The Jewish chiliasm rested on a carnal misapprehension of the Messianic kingdom, a literal interpretation of prophetic figures, and an overestimate of the importance of the Jewish people and the holy city as the centre of that kingdom. It was developed shortly before and after Christ in the apocalyptic literature, as the Book of Enoch, the Apocalypse of Baruch, 4th Esdras, the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, and the Sibylline Books. It was adopted by the heretical sect of the Ebionites, and the Gnostic Cerinthus."
Yes, Book III, Chapter 27 (and 28) of Ecclesiastical History is what Schaff references as well. I'm not seeing it though. Chapter 27 mentions the Ebionites, but nothing about their millennial expectations. Chapter 28 mentions the millennial teachings of of Cerinthus, but does not mention the Ebionites except to say that Cerinthus was at the same time as them. Minor point. No worries. :)
This is a very good commentary. However, can anyone here illustrate the different approaches that Paul and Jesus took to eating food sacrificed to idols. Paul suggests that this behavior is not problematic because the idol is "nothing." Jesus, however, clearly condemns those churches that engage in this practice. Thoughts?
I don't know what the first advent is. Is it when Christ came as a baby? In which case Tertullian believed the time of Jacob's trouble was BEFORE Christ was born?? Or is it simply a word that man invented and assigned to a particular day of celebration? I got saved in 1971, but I don't know words like advent...
'Advent' means coming. The first advent is generally a reference to Jesus ministry as recorded in the gospels of the New Testament. The term 'Second Advent' has been commonly used as a reference to the expectation that Christ will come again at the end of human history.
so all we know about the Ebionites was written by their detractors? If I remember my decline and fall correctly, these Ebionites/Nazarenes were the founders of the christian faith and they were taught directly by the apostles. In your first lesson, you mentioned how the christians in Jerusalem got out of Dodge before the Romans came back to destroy everything. Well those christian who ran off were Ebionites one and all. Am I wrong? If I am right then Eusebius ought to have been more deferential of the Ebionite view of the millenium Once again you closing statement is fantastic. It brings to mind the statement of the apostle Paul that '' I know in part and I prophesy in part''. Thanks for the lesson.
What Eusebuis has to say about Jesus brother Jude's Son's understanding of Christ's Kingdom and return to the Emperor Domitian I think is worth noting also. They clearly saw His Kingdom as not an earthly physical reign and his return as one of bring Judgement.
The symbolism of the seven seals are (seven) signatures as per - The ketubah, (“is written”) a Jewish marriage contract. The seven churches of Revelation gives us clues as to who the witnesses to the contract are. Ephesus > Adam Rev 2:5 " Remember therefore from whence you art fallin"... Smyrna < Noah Rev 2:8 " These things said the first and the last"... Pergamos > Abraham Rev 2:17 ..."and in the stone a new name written,"... Thyatira > Jacob / Israel Rev 2:28 "And I will give him the morning star". Sardis > Moses Rev 3:3 "Remember therefore how you have received and heard,"... Philadelphia > David Rev 3:7 ..."He that have the key of David"... Laodicea > Jesus Christ the Bridegroom and his bride, the Israel of God. --All pointing to dispensations of time in order of their time on earth. "He that have an ear, let him hear what the Spirit [singular] saith unto the churches" [plural]. (Repeated seven times, one for each church) “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the church[es]. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” {Revelation 22:16} --One body of Jesus Christ having *seven* dispensations of time (the spiritual condition of Christ church, and judgments....prophetic continuance) during the dispensation of Grace.
when you break down the 7 churches and see what the text actually says, Jesus is focused on one topic, the works of the saints! “Works” is all he’s talking about, he starts all seven times with “I know your works“! Then he says to all 7churches, even the 2good ones “he who overcomes“! That means you must stay saved you must “overcome”- present future tense, not “overcame” past tense, overcame by Jesus blood is the start, but overcome by being faithful to Jesus works Ephesians 2:10, Philippians 2:12-13 and working your salvation out and knowing what you’re calling is and not being ignorant of that! Ephesians 5:17 By doing the great commission- oneon one evangelism! if any Christian is not doing that, they are doing the great omission! This is why the church is so lukewarm today! no wonder Jesus said he will spit you out of his body, his mouth, and you will end up in hell! revelation 3:5 your name can’t be blotted out of the book of life! Luke 17 “as in the days of Noah” only eight people were saved out of the estimated 6 billion? That’s a wake up call if there ever was one! No wonder Jesus is mad-Revelation 1,second Thessalonians 1! look at the times we live in, nobody’s doing this great commission! a rare 1 or 2% May be doing the great commission I challenge Christians all the time when I’m on the corner preaching to do the great commission and they stare at me as a deer in the headlights! very few of them say they are sharing the gospel with strangers! If this video doesn’t say that, then the guy is not breaking down revelation 2 & 3; just like a Calvinist won’t break down Ephesians 1 or Romans 9, and see that plurals are predestined, never individuals!
Revelation was originally addressed to the churches over which the Apostle John had regional authority. It was copied immediately (as was customary) and distributed throughout the Christian world, including to the churches of Jerusalem.
Eusibius was in love with Constantine and his favoritism of Church leadership and was greatly swayed by the shift in eschatological views. Doesn't mean the view of Jewish beliefs in a literal millennial reign of Christ on earth was wrong. The fact that John the Revelator discipled Polycharp, who in turn discipled Irenaeus , who believed in a historic pre-millennialism is worth noting, so why skip the 5th volume of Iraneus' tome, Against Heresies??
There is a difference between 'preterism' and a preterist approach to Revelation. Those who are full preterists would agree with your statement here. I am not one of them.
The man was a heretic and could not have been more misguided concerning matters of scripture and is all the same seemingly the architect of what is most wildly accepted today? Very interesting thank you Bruce. I look forward to your further teachings. Two points I would like to make…. Concerning Tertullian's position I see immediately. Daniel two is a vision of Christ’s coming but it also clearly involves the establishment of the Kingdom on earth and Yeshua makes it abundantly clear the Kingdom is now at His first coming. The stone grows over time into a mountain. Certainly that is not only a picture repeated in scripture referring to the spread of the gospel but also indeed what we have seen in history. Daniel two was fulfilled at the first coming and Daniel seven is a reference to the second coming. Another aspect that is ignored by those who hold that both two and seven are speaking of the same events would be the condition of the fourth beast. Clearly at the point of the coming of Christ in Daniel two the fourth kingdom represented in the statue is weak. It was Iron but now is mixed retaining some of the original strength but the writing as it were is on the wall. In Daniel seven the fourth beast is anything but weak it’s a monster overcoming the entire world.
The second obvious error I see with what Tertullian believed is Rome pictured as Babylon. Scripture describes characteristics of mystery Babylon that can only point to one city in history as those characteristics are pointed to by Yeshua in other passages of scripture. Most convincingly the blood of the prophets being found in her…. Nevertheless I must journey today, tomorrow, and the day following; for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem. “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! She is also said to be guilty of all innocent blood ever spilled… that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Only Jerusalem can be Mystery Babylon. Clearly he was not able to discern truth from scripture and his position/conjectures should be dismissed as being the product of a natural mind.
Revelation 2:21 And I have given her time that she might repent, and she is NOT WILLING to repent of her sexual immorality. Why do they need time to repent if it is all in Gods hand and men are not responsible?This verse goes totally against Calvinism which says salvation or repentance is all by Gods grace and we have absolutely no choice in the matter. And there are other verses that also go against Calvinism. Acts 7:51 You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, also do you. How can anyone resist God the Holy Spirit? Matthew 23:37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were NOT WILLING.
Thank you very much, I had heard it said that at the council of Laodicea 1 Enoch was excluded and that a case was similarly made for the exclusion of Revelation but that one didn't succeed.
Books mentioned in the Muratorian Canon: The four canonical Gospels (only Luke and John appear in the extant text but since they are the third and fourth Gospel, the other two must have appeared in the lost part of the text). Acts of all apostles, The Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians, to the Galatians, to the Romans, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, to the Thessalonians, to Philemon, to Titus, and two to Timothy. Letters to the Laodiceans and a forged one to Alexandrians are mentioned as "not be received in the catholic Church". Then: an epistle of Jude and two of John, Wisdom "by friends of Solomon". Revelations of John and of Peter, the latter not read in church by some. The Shepherd of Hermas, not read publically in church. The canon closes with a repudiation of heretics like Arsinous, Valentinus, Miltiades, Marcion, Basilides and the the founder of the Cataphrygians. So it's mostly the canonical books (James, Hebrews, the Letters of Peter and one Letter of John are missing), with the Wisdom of Solomon nowadays put into the Old Testament but also includes some non-canonical books (Apocalypse of Peter, Shepherd of Hermas, Letters to the Laodiceans and the Alexandrians).
@@americalex6788 The Book of Enoch was known to (and referred to by) the Apostles but it never appeared in any debates about which books to include in the Biblical canon. Unfortunately, there are many false claims going around nowadays about "exclusion of books" from the Bible. Books were not excluded, some were not included. In the debates our NT canon was hardly ever controversial. Only a few books (Hebrews, Apocalypse, John, some non-Pauline letters) were, while the few ones that were considered but eventually did not make it were what are now deemed "Apostolic Fathers". The books usually sensationalised over (Gnostic Gospels of all sorts, Enoch) were never even considered.
I am looking for Jesus to show up with His angels separating the saved from the lost or the sheep 🐑 from the goats 🐐 and the final judgments. Not a 3rdtemple in israel and a antichrist…
I say between 65-68ad is revelation bc you have to think jesus was about 30 so 29 when he started so his decipels would been about same age no more say 35 when he called them but defiantly men , so 95 ad would make John about 100-115 yrs old writing it I belive in mid to late 60s is about right making him mid, late 60s writing this
@ Honey wolf yes indeed. It makes more sense if it was written at this period because it was right before the fall of Jerusalem , that's why Jesus kept saying to the churches that he was coming soon.
Man, does anyone else want to point a finger at some of those cities..totally ignoring how some of the other cities, and Jesus’s condemnation, falls on us..too busy seeing how the problems of those pointed churches apply to people we know...yikes!! I am totally wretched, naked and needing salve!
LORD of armies is obviously The King of Glory, NOT Jesus. Psalm 24:7 NASB20 Lift up your heads, you gates, And be lifted up, you ancient doors, That the King of glory may come in! 24:8 Who is the King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, The LORD mighty in battle. Psalm 24:9 NASB20 Lift up your heads, you gates, And lift them up, you ancient doors, That the King of glory may come in! 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of armies, He is the King of glory. SELAH
wow put on your seat belts if you want to go on a marvelous historical ride of what was happening at the time that the book Revelation was being written. There are several great videos they produced on this subject outstanding biblically sound historically sound like no where else are you going to find this information that is unperverted by man.
Trajen was the first to engage Christians in roman documents.. Roman emperor from 98 AD until his death in 117 AD. The documents to first entertain the persecution were in this period. Nero converted to Judaism according to the Talmud. Nero did pursecute Christians for worshipping in secret and offending 'the pagan gods'.
Let's not dabble into nonsensical claims like Nero converted to Judaism - he did no such thing. His wife was friendly with the Jews because of a Jewish friend of hers. Nero persecuted Christians under the accusation that they burned Rome. They were the scapegoats he presented. He made Christianity illegal according to some sources. Trajan was not the first persecutor (and nowhere described as such) but of him we have clear sources on procedure, thanks to his exchange of letters with Pliny.
Bruce, I had been wondering whose idea was it originally to equate the beast = the antichrist = the man of sin. I even asked on Christianity.stackechange; nobody could give an answer. You helped to answer it. I have watched nearly all of your videos on TH-cam. I didn't even know I was this interested in history :) Thank you!
+Simon J. Kok That's an interesting question! Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer either, but the notion certainly picked up steam in the wake of dispensational influence. Thanks for your interest!
+Bruce Gore Oh, but I thought you said at 38:50 that Tertullian held to that view. But that is not to say that the view originated with him then, is it?
+Simon J. Kok Tertullian and possibly some others held that view, hard to say. Tertullian got involved with the Montanists later in his life, and they had some eschatological ideas that influenced him. He may have gotten his notion from them.
Hi Pastor Gore. Thanks for the video. I remember hearing about the Gnostics while speaking with two JW's a while back. Are they the ones that used the "and the word was A god" text?
Jehovah's Witnesses have customarily attempted to avoid the affirmation of the deity of Christ in John 1:1 by that means. It's safe to say that John himself would be appalled by that abuse of his intended meaning.
For me the problem with Revelation is that often John's vision of Christ speaks very differently than the Jesus of the Gospels. Especially the war imagery, doesn't seem consistent with the "turn the other cheek" teachings. People who want to use Christianity to promote war or violence draw from John's vision often instead of Jesus' teachings. So is Jesus really telling us this violent view of history, or is the violence symbolic of inner battles, or is the violence just John's personal dream world. We certainly understand the early Church's desire for this conquering Christ, especially from those who are persecuted and imprisoned. But some of this vision seems to undermine the pacifism which Jesus himself taught. Just saying this book has been misused I think throughout history by people like the Catholic Inquisition to persecute heretics and dissent within the Church or to justify violence against the Catholic Church by Protestant reformers. I wonder what Jesus thinks of its use to justify violence? Also, the descriptions of the jeweled New Jerusalem were used to justify the lavish furnishings of Palaces and Cathedrals which clearly got way out of hand. Again, this focus on jewels and gold seemed to contradict Jesus' own teachings about wealth as a barrier to salvation and his concern for "the least of these" in Matthew 25. Your classes are so helpful. I hope that you can address some of these apparent contradictions in the following lessons.
Vara Sue Tamminga Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Jesus combines a remarkable mixture of grace and forgiveness with the most breathtaking warnings of coming judgment. (Matt. 23 comes to mind along with many other gospel texts). Our vision of Christ is lopsided when we emphasize the character qualities we find comforting, and ignore those we find threatening. People have certainly (and illegitimately) distorted aspects of Jesus to suit their own interests, as you rightly point out, but Christ himself defies simplistic and two dimensional characterizations. The same Jesus who is called the 'prince of peace' also said, 'I did not come to bring peace but a sword.' Jesus is consistently more complex that we customarily allow!
Very well said Bruce. That applies not only to the modern Christian view of Christ but to what it means to love (and yes the two are synonymous). There are two sides to love (to put it in simple terms). Comforting, nurturing, provisional love and tough love. What father does not discipline his child? And when that father wants to stretch the child into a new place of understanding does he not sometimes do things that may at first appear cruel and unusual? God provides for us in more ways than we realize. I don't think anyone really grows spiritually without trials and hardships to persevere through. And I'm referring to trials that often times lead us to choices where the correct answer is not the obvious answer.
This is apocalyptic writing, everything is basically metaphor. Paul speaks of the Christian way of life as a warfare, but makes clear it is a SPIRITUAL battle in Ephesians 6. By the way, the Protestants were not above responding with violence against Catholics, and were often the initiators of it.
The Old Latin Vulgate and the Peshitta bibles were from the 150's, this is why Justin Martyr is the first to comment on Book of Rev. because it is canonized in the 150's, this teaching here in this video is from a Roman Catholic perspective, it's Preterist, and as usual, using RCC theologians "as needed" used to prove a point, then returning to the true Christian history, the same style is used to prove the King James Bible wrong. The difference though between the KJB and Modern Versions is that the KJB is alive and the MV's are dead, even their own theologians say so. The KJB is Jesus in written form because it's the only book on the earth, Christian or non, that claims it's alive. Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is Jesus.
The idea of a "trinity" comes from Babylon and not Christianity. It consisted of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. Read "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, 1911.
This also happened in Ephesus- The "Jesus whom Paul preaches" doesn't work on demons. Acts 19- Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding. 17 When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor. Ephesus rejected Paul as an apostle. Paul says it himself in 2 Timothy. He also tells people eating food sacrificed to idols is no big deal. Paul is the False Apostle
The reason that Tertullian's position was forgotten is the great persecutions of Rome, and later the Roman Catholic Church, thus, the writings that state the same as Tertullian by Christians were mostly, if not nearly all, burn along with the Christians on the stake, etc., once the KJ Bible was established in 1611 A.D. and freedom again to "search the scriptures" universally took place then again came forth Tertullian's (and others) End Time truths would be reestablished. So you see starting in the 17-20th centuries the growth again of Futurist position, it didn't just "begin in the 1800's" as many purport today.
Sir: You make one critical error, the same error the translators made. They translated the word ecclesia as church. The word actually means assembly. Yes a church is an assembly, but so is a synagogue. I worry for your judgement from adding to the word of God by saying these 7 letters are to Gentile Christian churches. The letters are to Jews. One of the clues that these 7 letters are written to Jews is the term " I know your works " The church of Jesus Christ is not based on works. Neither are we told to repent by OUR Apostle Paul. Remember Rom 15:8. In the letter to Smyrna Jesus talks to them about those who say they are Jews but are not. No Gentile is going to care who is a Jew and who is not. In the letter to Pergamos Jesus reproves them because there are those who hold to the doctrine of Balaam. No Gentile is going to understand that comment, but a Jew will. Same with the letter to Thyatira were Jesus says you suffer that woman Jezebel to teach. No gentile is going to understand who Jezebel is, nor care, but a Jew would. Does it make sense that Jesus would dictate 7 letters to Christian churches and purposely use terms that Gentiles would not understand ? The letter to Philadelphia about keeping them from the hour does sound like a rapture verse but it's not. It's to the remnant of Jews that God will preserve through the 7 years while the other 2/3's will be killed. Sir: Please learn to rightly divide 2 Tim 2 :15 if your going to teach God's word. Re-read Revelation using a Jewish mindset and your eyes will be opened. Remember it's the Jews who go through the tribulation, not the the body of Christ.
A sunday keeper eater of meat with its blood in violation of Acts 15, teaching Revelation, what a travesty. In Revelelation 11: 1 sunday keepers and anarchyst are not counted as his people, they are counted in Revelation 11: 2.
I am SO thankful for this wisdom & education that I am being exposed to by Dr. Gore! I hope to God that I will be able to retain it! God Bless you sir for sharing what He has taught you!!! 🙏🏼
Another great talk by Dr.Gore. You’ll learn more history and thought from this lecturer than in any classroom in any university.
Actual writer/author. Actual readers of the original letters. Actual meanings for their time. Which we can apply today, but it had actual meaning for them. "...for the time is near'
Hi Bruce, thank you for these great videos. I'm learning/enjoying so much!
Greetings from your northern neighbour in Calgary, Alberta.
Hey, I live in Red Deer! 😀
Wow Bruce you answer so many questions and clarify in a professional, eye opening, engaging and interesting manner. Your speeking tone and fluctuations keep me engaged in the teachings. Thank you for making these available on TH-cam. God Bless you for your energy and time in servas to the Lord and the body! Preterism, futurism, dispensationalism etc etc so confusing for a truth seeker but helpful videos like this put the mind to rest :)
Thank you!
Ditto!
Super teaching!
Fantastic teaching! I am learning so much. Thank you for your faithful work
Thank you for your interest and encouragement!
Actually, the Ephesian church recovered and survived into the Ottoman era.
The only church of the seven to enjoy a continuous existence into modern times is the church at Smyrna. The community was destroyed in 1922 and its last resident bishop Chrysostomos Kalafatis was murdered by a Turkish lynch mob on 10 September of that year.
For perspective, my father was born in 1920.
Truly appreciate this walk in the past re Christianity. Praise God for making you an instrument. God bless.
Excellent overview again Bruce Gore. Can't help but feel you give an excellent mixture of historical knowledge and spiritual vitality in your messages. I can't help but think that the letters to the seven churches teach us a lot about our own churches in the modern day and provide a pattern to work towards as we seek maturity in Christ. Thanks again and looking forward to the next lecture.
Thank you so much for your teaching on eschatology. I've heard it twice previously and have begun on a third listen. Good to know of some of the historical views.
I found your teaching after proving for myself that the Premillennial views are incorrect -- they are fraught with contradictions, not to mention the ignoring or twisting of dozens of "soon" or "time is at hand" time statements throughout the New Testament.
Thanks again. God bless you, Bruce Gore.
Awesome, Thank you!
Thanks Mr Gore
Wow this was so good!! Thank you so much!!
I really liked your Sunday School lesson in this video. It is definitely true that none of us have it all figured out, and the one of the dangers of becoming knowledgeable is to become puffed up to the point we can't learn from the simple things. Everyone knows something that another doesn't, even though one may be far more educated than the other the saying still holds true that a teacher is often taught by their students.
Interesting and helpful for interpretation! Thank you for your dedication!
This is a transformative lecture. It adds a significantly more robust understanding of the book of Revelation. Thank you for sharing your work.
Amazing teaching!!
I think you do a great job of exegesis. Thank you for a easy to follow breakdown of context as well.
Thank you for your kind feedback!
What a blessing that you make your teachings so easily available. Thank you for your faithfulness in teaching and presenting the truth of God's word. Going through Revelation like this is so needed, and you do it so very well. Many giants of the faith have avoided such teaching of this book and finally after much prayer the Holy Spirit has used your teachings to bless me with an understanding of this awesome book. I especially appreciate how you ended your lesson with humility as too not boast. Thanks again, and please continue with this ministry because it does matter.
Thank you! I hope you will have opportunity to follow along as we start a two year verse by verse study of Revelation this fall (2019), mid September. Say a prayer! We need it!
This teaching is so rich, so wonderful; LIQUID GOLD. Thank you Thank you Thank you. It fills my hungry soul with goodness.
Thank you for such encouraging feedback. I am truly grateful.
Thank you so much for sharing these treasure classes online! I've barely started and I can't wait to watch through everything!
I can't express how humbling it was when you said we must keep digging instead of thinking we already know everything. That coming from a man whose knowledge is 100 times bigger than all the knowledge I could ever dream about having. Much respect!
My friend, we are but students.
He is wrong about this. Every message is in "spirit" not in physical papers or letters. That is why the phrase...."those that overcome will not be hurt by the second death"..i.e. This is an occurrence in the future after ALL of us have experienced the "first death", the death of the body.
He is wrong. I have tested you Mr. Gore and found you to be false....
@@icanfartloudthose letters were all physical letters delivered to those churches in order to prepare for Great Trib, which John plainly states in the opening of the book that he is their companion in that tribulation.
Doctor Gore you made the most profound statement - let us continue to pursue truth and not think we know it all, for the danger of becoming a heretic is ever- present.
Yes indeed, we should never be content what we already know, whether little more much. There is always much more!
@@GoreBruce Dr Gore, I have a question about Rev 3:9 - I heard John MacArthur say, "the persecuters will bow down/worship before the church to know that I loved you". I do not follow JM but his statement got me upset and wondering of its true interpretation. Can you explain? Many thanks!
@@careylou John is assuring the Christian church in Philadelphia that those who claimed to be true Jews, the true people of God, seed of Abraham, would at some point see their error, namely that the true Seed of Abraham (Gal. 3), the true Jews (Romans 2:28,29), the true people of God (1 Peter 2:1ff) were those of faith in Christ. Those who clung to the Old Covenant religion were not a synagogue of worship of the true God, but a synagogue of the worship of Satan, as their own leaders had declared at the trial of Jesus when they said: We have no king but Caesar. (John 19:15),
@@GoreBruce So if they come to believe in Christ, they would worship with the church, not worship the church. Thanks so much
@@careylou They would certainly not worship the church. That would be idolatry. Through faith in Christ, they would become participants in the church, joining other Christian believers in worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ.
Great teacher, thank you 🙏🕊
I'm an amateur theologian and I think even i can grasp what is being pointed out about dismissing revelation. I think I have taken it for granted that I understand the significance Christ's second coming, not on a donkey but a white horse. I need to let this sink in - that many people miss this message, and the wrath of God becomes a stumbling block. a paradox in our human minds - aren't those always great learning opportunities?!?! praise be to Yehovah the Father and His only son Yehushua, THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH
I DON'T WANT TO MISS A SINGLE JOT OR TITTLE
Anita Burke the Father which is the name Christ made known and Christ abs the Holy Spirit are the one YHWH LORD God.
Thank you very much for this message on the book of Revelation sir.
Very good study... Thanks
Wow! The last statement was magnificent!
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Amazing ! Thanks for sharing .
What a wonderful lesson. Thanks Professor Gore. Noemí Cabán
You are very kind. Thank you!
Thank you Brother Bruce!!! 😊
Thank you!
Hi Bruce! I have listen to a lot of your TH-cam videos and have learned a lot and it’s all free. Like taking a college class. Thank you much. Can you do a class on woman pastors and woman in the church? Thanks
I treat that question to some extent in this lecture: th-cam.com/video/QP0bM9zAc30/w-d-xo.html
Question I would like to pose to the church would be, What exactly is the freedom we now have in Christ, scripture and precepts preferred? (~20:00 in video)
My short answer is that grace has liberated us to live a life of obedience to the law of love (Rom. 8, Gal. 5-6).
The Book of Revelation was written to churches which existed in the first century AD - churches who were about to face persecution from Nero - who was known to his own citizens as "that great beast". Nero - who had statues to himself placed at the Agora and refused entry to anyone who wanted to buy or sell unless they worshiped him. Once you know who the "Beast" of Revelation truly was, you will no longer fall for every new idea that comes along. Dr Kenneth Gentry knocks it out of the park with this teaching
I agree...his is an excellent resource!
+diego charlin: Are you citing Gentry when you note that "Nero ... had statues to himself placed at the Agora and refused entry to anyone who wanted to buy or sell unless they worshiped him"? Wondering where you found that tidbit about "the beast."
And the pit, locusts, earth changes....?
@@tolar9 I am quite doubtful about that tidbit too as I have never heard of this. Such obvious a correspondence with the images of the Apocalypse would be cited more often, if it really existed in ancient sources.
@ diego charlin
Thank you so much for that historical information that helps us understand the famous 666 stuff.
But there is something I don't understand : Rev says that the beast was thrown into the lake of fire but Nero committed suicide.
Do you have an explanation ?
see: Thoughts on the seven angels of Revelation
I listened yo your lessons again marathon since last night focusing on the revelation and roman enpire. It is a very detail and clear. Thank you profesor
Thankyou for a great lecture. Have you noticed that what you said here, 42:19, resembles the double slit experiment in quantum physics? As I understand it, it would be that the minute you clap eyes on something it becomes a solid (and, therefore of course, plays a different role in your life than if it stayed a wave). I think it's fun to think about. The minute you stop and pay attention, the verb becomes a noun. You don't build a monument to a verb but you do ......to a noun. Then I find myself wondering how to stay a verb in the Lord. It would have to be very basic because I have a lot of nouns hanging off me.
Well, quantum physics is a bit over my head, my friend, but I like the idea you are suggesting here. Thank!
I like to think that since God chose the written word to communicate his word through, that he would also protect it..and perhaps the reason why we lost Melito’s commentary on revelation, that it was a way to protect Gods people from false teaching..which of course is speculation..but from what you mentioned, he seemed to have a divergent idea of what it meant, than of what the text says..
WOW THANK YOU
Thank you as well!
Hello Bruce! I’ve been following your lessons in revelation for several years now and have never been so blessed!! Your litigation experience really shines through in your didactic style, and is such a pleasure to listen to.
I’m in seminary and doing a course on revelation, and I’d like to read some of your primary and secondary sources,
can you post a bibliography on your channel?
Cheers!
- Jeffrey Paddock
Please contact me at bruce@brucegore.com.
Any idea who the 7 stars in the Lord's hand represent?
IF these churches are only geographical locations rather than ages it seems odd that Jesus would consider these messengers/pastors as stars in his hand yet we know so little about them...
Consider:
Paul, Ireneaus, Columba, Martin, Martin Luther, John Wesley, William Branham,
All these men had very clear influence on their age.
It is crazy how some people think that the Christians who are ready will be the church of Philadelphia when it was an actual church in a city during the first century.
Love the history on Chiallism of the early church. I can see the premillennialism influences from the Jewish teaching. But where did the church go and to whom do we trust? Origen? Augustine? I hold to an Amil frame, but lightly.
Again, the church fell away into politics and then the papacy. Why do we accept the reformed teaching but reject its eschatology?
Daniel R I would go before the apologetics of the school of Alexandria married Christianity with platonism
Repent and believe the good news. Thanks Bruce.
Thank you
Brother Bruce makes me think of a quote I recently read ----he has knowledge that rises high but settles nowhere. Nothing is for sure - everything is speculative. The book of Revelation is a - revelation, not a mystery. One last quote - close your eyes for your eyes will only tell the truth and the truth is not what you want to see, in the dark it is easier to pretend that the truth is what it ought to be. God did not give us the bible as an exercise in philosophy but as truth revealed.
If there's no mystery, tell me - when is the Second Coming?
@@banhammer3904 the issue or mystery is not when - but the fact that there will be a 2nd coming is the revelation....Bruce does not know his bible - he knows history but is not able to correlate the 2. He offers no exegesis on a text but he does do a lot of critical comment but doesn't appear to stand on any position. History does not save us or teach us doctrine.
Bruce, thank you for this material. I am preparing to teach a class on Revelation in the near future and have found this series most helpful.
I do have one question from this presentation, regarding the Ebionites and the Alogoi. You mention that they believed in Jesus as the messiah and that he would soon return to establish the kingdom and fulfill Jewish messianic expectations. Do we have any actual quotes from 2nd century Ebionites/Alogoi regarding this, or just reference to such by some of the church fathers (if so which)?
I'm not aware of any primary Ebionite writings. Eusebius mentions them in his History, and the writings related to the Arian controversy presuppose the Jewish tradition traced to Antioch.
Thank you. I'm trying to find the place in the writings of Eusibius to substantiate the claim. I see reference of such not only in your lecture and comment, but elsewhere as well, but meanwhile am not seeing the exact reference. I did find this from Schaff though:
"“The Jewish chiliasm rested on a carnal misapprehension of the Messianic kingdom, a literal interpretation of prophetic figures, and an overestimate of the importance of the Jewish people and the holy city as the centre of that kingdom. It was developed shortly before and after Christ in the apocalyptic literature, as the Book of Enoch, the Apocalypse of Baruch, 4th Esdras, the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, and the Sibylline Books. It was adopted by the heretical sect of the Ebionites, and the Gnostic Cerinthus."
Good quote from Schaff. Have checked his bibliography? Eusebius discusses the Ebionites in Book III, Chapter 27 of Ecclesiastical History.
Yes, Book III, Chapter 27 (and 28) of Ecclesiastical History is what Schaff references as well. I'm not seeing it though. Chapter 27 mentions the Ebionites, but nothing about their millennial expectations. Chapter 28 mentions the millennial teachings of of Cerinthus, but does not mention the Ebionites except to say that Cerinthus was at the same time as them. Minor point. No worries. :)
This is a very good commentary. However, can anyone here illustrate the different approaches that Paul and Jesus took to eating food sacrificed to idols. Paul suggests that this behavior is not problematic because the idol is "nothing." Jesus, however, clearly condemns those churches that engage in this practice. Thoughts?
Jeffrey Guse Thank you for the feedback. As to the question you raise, see lecture #17 in this series (Pergamum), beginning at about minute 25.
I don't know what the first advent is. Is it when Christ came as a baby? In which case Tertullian believed the time of Jacob's trouble was BEFORE Christ was born?? Or is it simply a word that man invented and assigned to a particular day of celebration? I got saved in 1971, but I don't know words like advent...
'Advent' means coming. The first advent is generally a reference to Jesus ministry as recorded in the gospels of the New Testament. The term 'Second Advent' has been commonly used as a reference to the expectation that Christ will come again at the end of human history.
Hi bruce
So a impresiv god word. 42.20
so all we know about the Ebionites was written by their detractors? If I remember my decline and fall correctly, these Ebionites/Nazarenes were the founders of the christian faith and they were taught directly by the apostles. In your first lesson, you mentioned how the christians in Jerusalem got out of Dodge before the Romans came back to destroy everything. Well those christian who ran off were Ebionites one and all. Am I wrong? If I am right then Eusebius ought to have been more deferential of the Ebionite view of the millenium
Once again you closing statement is fantastic. It brings to mind the statement of the apostle Paul that '' I know in part and I prophesy in part''. Thanks for the lesson.
What Eusebuis has to say about Jesus brother Jude's Son's understanding of Christ's Kingdom and return to the Emperor Domitian I think is worth noting also. They clearly saw His Kingdom as not an earthly physical reign and his return as one of bring Judgement.
The symbolism of the seven seals are (seven) signatures as per - The ketubah, (“is written”) a Jewish marriage contract.
The seven churches of Revelation gives us clues as to who the witnesses to the contract are.
Ephesus > Adam
Rev 2:5 " Remember therefore from whence you art fallin"...
Smyrna < Noah
Rev 2:8 " These things said the first and the last"...
Pergamos > Abraham
Rev 2:17 ..."and in the stone a new name written,"...
Thyatira > Jacob / Israel
Rev 2:28 "And I will give him the morning star".
Sardis > Moses
Rev 3:3 "Remember therefore how you have received and heard,"...
Philadelphia > David
Rev 3:7 ..."He that have the key of David"...
Laodicea > Jesus Christ the Bridegroom and his bride, the Israel of God.
--All pointing to dispensations of time in order of their time on earth.
"He that have an ear, let him hear what the Spirit [singular] saith unto the churches" [plural].
(Repeated seven times, one for each church)
“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the church[es]. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
{Revelation 22:16}
--One body of Jesus Christ having *seven* dispensations of time (the spiritual condition of Christ church, and judgments....prophetic continuance) during the dispensation of Grace.
Hi Bruce, how did you conclude that John the Revelator was the same as John the Apostle? Thank you! I enjoy your teaching style.
See video at around 32:30
He wasn't. It was John Eleazar or Lazarus
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans is how churches are run now. A distinction between clergy and laity.
So your assertion is that John of Patmos is indeed John the Apostle? That's the first time I've heard a scholar assert this...
Certainly. That remains the most common view historically, and many competent scholars are committed that view today.
when you break down the 7 churches and see what the text actually says, Jesus is focused on one topic, the works of the saints! “Works” is all he’s talking about, he starts all seven times with “I know your works“!
Then he says to all 7churches, even the 2good ones “he who overcomes“! That means you must stay saved you must “overcome”- present future tense, not “overcame” past tense, overcame by Jesus blood is the start, but overcome by being faithful to Jesus works Ephesians 2:10, Philippians 2:12-13 and working your salvation out and knowing what you’re calling is and not being ignorant of that! Ephesians 5:17
By doing the great commission- oneon one evangelism! if any Christian is not doing that, they are doing the great omission!
This is why the church is so lukewarm today! no wonder Jesus said he will spit you out of his body, his mouth, and you will end up in hell! revelation 3:5 your name can’t be blotted out of the book of life!
Luke 17 “as in the days of Noah” only eight people were saved out of the estimated 6 billion? That’s a wake up call if there ever was one!
No wonder Jesus is mad-Revelation 1,second Thessalonians 1! look at the times we live in, nobody’s doing this great commission! a rare 1 or 2% May be doing the great commission I challenge Christians all the time when I’m on the corner preaching to do the great commission and they stare at me as a deer in the headlights! very few of them say they are sharing the gospel with strangers!
If this video doesn’t say that, then the guy is not breaking down revelation 2 & 3; just like a Calvinist won’t break down Ephesians 1 or Romans 9, and see that plurals are predestined, never individuals!
If Revelation was all about Jerusalem, Bruce, why wasn't Jerusalem addressed as one of the seven churches?
Revelation was originally addressed to the churches over which the Apostle John had regional authority. It was copied immediately (as was customary) and distributed throughout the Christian world, including to the churches of Jerusalem.
Eusibius was in love with Constantine and his favoritism of Church leadership and was greatly swayed by the shift in eschatological views. Doesn't mean the view of Jewish beliefs in a literal millennial reign of Christ on earth was wrong.
The fact that John the Revelator discipled Polycharp, who in turn discipled Irenaeus , who believed in a historic pre-millennialism is worth noting, so why skip the 5th volume of Iraneus' tome, Against Heresies??
He is the best
Preterism reduces Revelation to a 5 or 6 year prophecy book compketely fulfilled by AD70.
There is a difference between 'preterism' and a preterist approach to Revelation. Those who are full preterists would agree with your statement here. I am not one of them.
It's all in the shoulders.
The man was a heretic and could not have been more misguided concerning matters of scripture and is all the same seemingly the architect of what is most wildly accepted today? Very interesting thank you Bruce. I look forward to your further teachings.
Two points I would like to make…. Concerning Tertullian's position I see immediately.
Daniel two is a vision of Christ’s coming but it also clearly involves the establishment of the Kingdom on earth and Yeshua makes it abundantly clear the Kingdom is now at His first coming. The stone grows over time into a mountain. Certainly that is not only a picture repeated in scripture referring to the spread of the gospel but also indeed what we have seen in history. Daniel two was fulfilled at the first coming and Daniel seven is a reference to the second coming. Another aspect that is ignored by those who hold that both two and seven are speaking of the same events would be the condition of the fourth beast. Clearly at the point of the coming of Christ in Daniel two the fourth kingdom represented in the statue is weak. It was Iron but now is mixed retaining some of the original strength but the writing as it were is on the wall. In Daniel seven the fourth beast is anything but weak it’s a monster overcoming the entire world.
The second obvious error I see with what Tertullian believed is Rome pictured as Babylon. Scripture describes characteristics of mystery Babylon that can only point to one city in history as those characteristics are pointed to by Yeshua in other passages of scripture. Most convincingly the blood of the prophets being found in her….
Nevertheless I must journey today, tomorrow, and the day following; for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem.
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
She is also said to be guilty of all innocent blood ever spilled…
that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Only Jerusalem can be Mystery Babylon.
Clearly he was not able to discern truth from scripture and his position/conjectures should be dismissed as being the product of a natural mind.
Revelation 2:21
And I have given her time that she might repent, and she is NOT WILLING to repent of her sexual immorality.
Why do they need time to repent if it is all in Gods hand and men are not responsible?This verse goes totally against Calvinism which says salvation or repentance is all by Gods grace and we have absolutely no choice in the matter. And there are other verses that also go against Calvinism.
Acts 7:51
You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, also do you.
How can anyone resist God the Holy Spirit?
Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were NOT WILLING.
If Calvinism actually resembled the view you have described here, I doubt that very many would ever embrace it!
@@GoreBruce They do teach it that way. Listen to RC Sproul or John MacArthur, or John Piper.
Did the muritorian cannon include the book of enoch 1?
Americalex The Muritorian Canon only included documents that became part of the New Testament, which would not involve Enoch.
Thank you very much, I had heard it said that at the council of Laodicea 1 Enoch was excluded and that a case was similarly made for the exclusion of Revelation but that one didn't succeed.
Books mentioned in the Muratorian Canon:
The four canonical Gospels (only Luke and John appear in the extant text but since they are the third and fourth Gospel, the other two must have appeared in the lost part of the text). Acts of all apostles, The Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians, to the Galatians, to the Romans, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, to the Thessalonians, to Philemon, to Titus, and two to Timothy. Letters to the Laodiceans and a forged one to Alexandrians are mentioned as "not be received in the catholic Church".
Then: an epistle of Jude and two of John, Wisdom "by friends of Solomon".
Revelations of John and of Peter, the latter not read in church by some.
The Shepherd of Hermas, not read publically in church.
The canon closes with a repudiation of heretics like Arsinous, Valentinus, Miltiades, Marcion, Basilides and the the founder of the Cataphrygians.
So it's mostly the canonical books (James, Hebrews, the Letters of Peter and one Letter of John are missing), with the Wisdom of Solomon nowadays put into the Old Testament but also includes some non-canonical books (Apocalypse of Peter, Shepherd of Hermas, Letters to the Laodiceans and the Alexandrians).
@@americalex6788 The Book of Enoch was known to (and referred to by) the Apostles but it never appeared in any debates about which books to include in the Biblical canon. Unfortunately, there are many false claims going around nowadays about "exclusion of books" from the Bible. Books were not excluded, some were not included. In the debates our NT canon was hardly ever controversial. Only a few books (Hebrews, Apocalypse, John, some non-Pauline letters) were, while the few ones that were considered but eventually did not make it were what are now deemed "Apostolic Fathers". The books usually sensationalised over (Gnostic Gospels of all sorts, Enoch) were never even considered.
I am looking for Jesus to show up with His angels separating the saved from the lost or the sheep 🐑 from the goats 🐐 and the final judgments. Not a 3rdtemple in israel and a antichrist…
I say between 65-68ad is revelation bc you have to think jesus was about 30 so 29 when he started so his decipels would been about same age no more say 35 when he called them but defiantly men , so 95 ad would make John about 100-115 yrs old writing it I belive in mid to late 60s is about right making him mid, late 60s writing this
@ Honey wolf
yes indeed. It makes more sense if it was written at this period because it was right before the fall of Jerusalem , that's why Jesus kept saying to the churches that he was coming soon.
Man, does anyone else want to point a finger at some of those cities..totally ignoring how some of the other cities, and Jesus’s condemnation, falls on us..too busy seeing how the problems of those pointed churches apply to people we know...yikes!!
I am totally wretched, naked and needing salve!
LORD of armies is obviously The King of Glory,
NOT Jesus.
Psalm 24:7 NASB20
Lift up your heads, you gates,
And be lifted up, you ancient doors, That the King of glory may come in!
24:8 Who is the King of glory?
The LORD strong and mighty,
The LORD mighty in battle.
Psalm 24:9 NASB20 Lift up your heads, you gates,
And lift them up,
you ancient doors,
That the King of glory may come in! 24:10 Who is this King of glory?
The LORD of armies,
He is the King of glory.
SELAH
wow put on your seat belts if you want to go on a marvelous historical ride of what was happening at the time that the book Revelation was being written. There are several great videos they produced on this subject outstanding biblically sound historically sound like no where else are you going to find this information that is unperverted by man.
Ephesus--France
Smyrna--Germany
Pergamum--Japan
Thyatira--England
Sardis--Italy
Philadelphia--USA
Laodicea--Canada
The USA is as apostate as possible with few exceptions.
Trajen was the first to engage Christians in roman documents.. Roman emperor from 98 AD until his death in 117 AD. The documents to first entertain the persecution were in this period. Nero converted to Judaism according to the Talmud. Nero did pursecute Christians for worshipping in secret and offending 'the pagan gods'.
Let's not dabble into nonsensical claims like Nero converted to Judaism - he did no such thing. His wife was friendly with the Jews because of a Jewish friend of hers. Nero persecuted Christians under the accusation that they burned Rome. They were the scapegoats he presented. He made Christianity illegal according to some sources.
Trajan was not the first persecutor (and nowhere described as such) but of him we have clear sources on procedure, thanks to his exchange of letters with Pliny.
Please revise this video and put on the bottom parts of the bible he is reading. I always like to use my bible as reverence.
Smyrna and Philadelphia taught beware of dem kenites proving a 2 seed lineage of good and evil
Bruce, I had been wondering whose idea was it originally to equate the beast = the antichrist = the man of sin. I even asked on Christianity.stackechange; nobody could give an answer. You helped to answer it. I have watched nearly all of your videos on TH-cam. I didn't even know I was this interested in history :) Thank you!
+Simon J. Kok That's an interesting question! Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer either, but the notion certainly picked up steam in the wake of dispensational influence. Thanks for your interest!
+Bruce Gore Oh, but I thought you said at 38:50 that Tertullian held to that view. But that is not to say that the view originated with him then, is it?
+Simon J. Kok Tertullian and possibly some others held that view, hard to say. Tertullian got involved with the Montanists later in his life, and they had some eschatological ideas that influenced him. He may have gotten his notion from them.
Paul is the Man of Lawlessness
@@ChristinaFromTH-camdo you still believe that today, since it’s been 2 years ago you said this?
Hi Pastor Gore. Thanks for the video. I remember hearing about the Gnostics while speaking with two JW's a while back. Are they the ones that used the "and the word was A god" text?
Jehovah's Witnesses have customarily attempted to avoid the affirmation of the deity of Christ in John 1:1 by that means. It's safe to say that John himself would be appalled by that abuse of his intended meaning.
Bruce Gore Thank you sir.
For me the problem with Revelation is that often John's vision of Christ speaks very differently than the Jesus of the Gospels. Especially the war imagery, doesn't seem consistent with the "turn the other cheek" teachings. People who want to use Christianity to promote war or violence draw from John's vision often instead of Jesus' teachings. So is Jesus really telling us this violent view of history, or is the violence symbolic of inner battles, or is the violence just John's personal dream world. We certainly understand the early Church's desire for this conquering Christ, especially from those who are persecuted and imprisoned. But some of this vision seems to undermine the pacifism which Jesus himself taught. Just saying this book has been misused I think throughout history by people like the Catholic Inquisition to persecute heretics and dissent within the Church or to justify violence against the Catholic Church by Protestant reformers. I wonder what Jesus thinks of its use to justify violence?
Also, the descriptions of the jeweled New Jerusalem were used to justify the lavish furnishings of Palaces and Cathedrals which clearly got way out of hand. Again, this focus on jewels and gold seemed to contradict Jesus' own teachings about wealth as a barrier to salvation and his concern for "the least of these" in Matthew 25. Your classes are so helpful. I hope that you can address some of these apparent contradictions in the following lessons.
Vara Sue Tamminga Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Jesus combines a remarkable mixture of grace and forgiveness with the most breathtaking warnings of coming judgment. (Matt. 23 comes to mind along with many other gospel texts). Our vision of Christ is lopsided when we emphasize the character qualities we find comforting, and ignore those we find threatening. People have certainly (and illegitimately) distorted aspects of Jesus to suit their own interests, as you rightly point out, but Christ himself defies simplistic and two dimensional characterizations. The same Jesus who is called the 'prince of peace' also said, 'I did not come to bring peace but a sword.' Jesus is consistently more complex that we customarily allow!
Very well said Bruce. That applies not only to the modern Christian view of Christ but to what it means to love (and yes the two are synonymous). There are two sides to love (to put it in simple terms). Comforting, nurturing, provisional love and tough love. What father does not discipline his child? And when that father wants to stretch the child into a new place of understanding does he not sometimes do things that may at first appear cruel and unusual? God provides for us in more ways than we realize. I don't think anyone really grows spiritually without trials and hardships to persevere through. And I'm referring to trials that often times lead us to choices where the correct answer is not the obvious answer.
The Jesus speaking in Revelation is the Risen Lord. All authority has been given to him. He is no longer the suffering servant.
It's difficult for me to believe people have even carefully read the Gospel accounts if they think Jesus is disconnected from Revelation.
This is apocalyptic writing, everything is basically metaphor. Paul speaks of the Christian way of life as a warfare, but makes clear it is a SPIRITUAL battle in Ephesians 6. By the way, the Protestants were not above responding with violence against Catholics, and were often the initiators of it.
The Old Latin Vulgate and the Peshitta bibles were from the 150's, this is why Justin Martyr is the first to comment on Book of Rev. because it is canonized in the 150's, this teaching here in this video is from a Roman Catholic perspective, it's Preterist, and as usual, using RCC theologians "as needed" used to prove a point, then returning to the true Christian history, the same style is used to prove the King James Bible wrong. The difference though between the KJB and Modern Versions is that the KJB is alive and the MV's are dead, even their own theologians say so. The KJB is Jesus in written form because it's the only book on the earth, Christian or non, that claims it's alive. Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is Jesus.
The idea of a "trinity" comes from Babylon and not Christianity. It consisted of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. Read "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, 1911.
This also happened in Ephesus-
The "Jesus whom Paul preaches" doesn't work on demons.
Acts 19-
Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.
17 When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor.
Ephesus rejected Paul as an apostle. Paul says it himself in 2 Timothy.
He also tells people eating food sacrificed to idols is no big deal.
Paul is the False Apostle
The reason that Tertullian's position was forgotten is the great persecutions of Rome, and later the Roman Catholic Church, thus, the writings that state the same as Tertullian by Christians were mostly, if not nearly all, burn along with the Christians on the stake, etc., once the KJ Bible was established in 1611 A.D. and freedom again to "search the scriptures" universally took place then again came forth Tertullian's (and others) End Time truths would be reestablished. So you see starting in the 17-20th centuries the growth again of Futurist position, it didn't just "begin in the 1800's" as many purport today.
Yep the materialist literalists interpretations! 1 verse Christian’s wooooo 🎊 😂
Sir: You make one critical error, the same error the translators made. They translated the word ecclesia as church. The word actually means assembly. Yes a church is an assembly, but so is a synagogue. I worry for your judgement from adding to the word of God by saying these 7 letters are to Gentile Christian churches. The letters are to Jews. One of the clues that these 7 letters are written to Jews is the term " I know your works " The church of Jesus Christ is not based on works. Neither are we told to repent by OUR Apostle Paul. Remember Rom 15:8. In the letter to Smyrna Jesus talks to them about those who say they are Jews but are not. No Gentile is going to care who is a Jew and who is not. In the letter to Pergamos Jesus reproves them because there are those who hold to the doctrine of Balaam. No Gentile is going to understand that comment, but a Jew will. Same with the letter to Thyatira were Jesus says you suffer that woman Jezebel to teach. No gentile is going to understand who Jezebel is, nor care, but a Jew would. Does it make sense that Jesus would dictate 7 letters to Christian churches and purposely use terms that Gentiles would not understand ? The letter to Philadelphia about keeping them from the hour does sound like a rapture verse but it's not. It's to the remnant of Jews that God will preserve through the 7 years while the other 2/3's will be killed. Sir: Please learn to rightly divide 2 Tim 2 :15 if your going to teach God's word. Re-read Revelation using a Jewish mindset and your eyes will be opened. Remember it's the Jews who go through the tribulation, not the the body of Christ.
A sunday keeper eater of meat with its blood in violation of Acts 15, teaching Revelation, what a travesty. In Revelelation 11: 1 sunday keepers and anarchyst are not counted as his people, they are counted in Revelation 11: 2.
What is the POINT of this lecture??? A long series of meaningless FACTOIDs
Thank you! That is very helpful!
When I read the Bible, I read a lot of facts.