This only works on certain situations where they're not attached to the hip with their team with certain heros with cooldowns to throw away that also have incredible get out of jail free cards to avoid the cavalcade of cc and peel converging on you
It's honestly insane to me how blind people are to ability powercreep in this game. The ability to play around the cooldowns isn't the problem. Sure, I can wait for lifeweaver to use his grip. But the fact that every 25 seconds he can look in the general direction of his out of position teammate, press a button and bail them out of danger for free with ZERO counterplay from me is just stupid, and is the exact reason why people don't like this game anymore.
As much as I want 6v6 back it ultimately won't make a huge difference in how rewarding the game feels if they don't dial back the immortality granting abilities and insane AoE/no mechanical skill healing. Just imagine how much better it could be if Suzu only healed and cleansed, Bap immo was just a 75% damage reduction zone, Weaver pull only did minor healing and 50% damage reduction (wouldn't change the fact that he's still designed around denial and no-skill healing but it would be slightly less bad to play against, like at least you have a chance to kill the enemy instead of them becoming outright immortal).
Remember the times when all healing was interactable? When you couldn't just press the button and heal the target at insane distance and the enemy couldn't do shit about it? Back then only moira's and mercy's healing was non-interactable but both were locked behind being very close range. Then brig appeared with her packs, then kiri, then weaver Btw I tried 6v6 code and while immos are still annoying af with more ppl around they get used more often. Tanks being squishier helps too. It's not like the tank goes through CD cycle does insane damage and value and then gets Suzued only if they made a mistake or got 5 men focusing them. The tanks actually melt and force stuff like suzu more frequently than in 5v5 and there is 2 of them
The point you made about support players being in lower ranks when playing other roles is absolutely true. I consistently bounce between Plat 1 and Diamond 5 every season, and the number of players with Top 500 titles I've encountered at these ranks is surprisingly high. When I check their profiles, they almost always turn out to be support mains who are GM or Top 500 in their main role.The frustrating part is that you'd expect someone ranked among the best 500 players in the region to carry games effortlessly, but that's often not the case.
I mean it’s “support” for a reason. They aren’t the flex role. They are like the grease between the gears. This is just a rage baited pov if you ask me. Not everyone enjoys or wants to play tank. And not everyone wants to be the play maker as damage. There are different roles for different types of people. This video and these comments just come from a point of view that you are the best and you should be winning your games if your good, but the problem is that this pov, and most players these days, just lack respect for other players skills. There are a lot of good gamers out there and the climate of games change as the lifespan goes on. People still carry solo. And you aren’t guaranteed to win every game you play.
@@calebweaver7385 counterpoint. There are good support players who are also top 500 on other roles and they absolutely stomp on support when they do their unranked to GM. If we take "being good at OW2" as a scale of 1 - 10 you need significantly less to reach top 500 as supp only compared to tank only and especially dps only where top 500 on all roles being 10/10
The cope is unreal. Support is simply the easiest role from an objective standpoint. Largest projectile/hitscan hitboxes, easiest value abilities, least amount of thinking required. Not even flaming people who enjoy playing support, thats just how the role currently is.
I noticed my McCree was going into an off angle to do ult. In the corner of my screen, I noticed a Sojourn trying to flank my Mcreee. I'd TP to him suzu and off the Sojourn. As funny as that was im sure the other player was upset
My face when I did everything right and my enemy did everything wrong but the fox girl tped from other match and gave them the power of God (skill issue should have predicted it smh)
I don't see anything wrong with that. That is you paying attention and the Sojourn wasn't. If dps just listen for Kiriko's suzu or teleports then they will have a much easier time in doing things. The same is with all characters.
@@SkyClearsTp Suzu happens instantly. The only way to beat it is to bait it out with another cooldown. So it wasn't simply "an awareness issue" on thr Sojourn's behalf.
I still will never understand why ANY type of Immortal is in the game, the experience of immortality is beyond horrible. It’s boring and unfun to fight. I love absolutely sweating my nuts of playing outta my mind, and then they just get saved by an E ability. It undoes ALOT of players bad positioning and plays, it’s so annoying cause sometimes it dosent matter how much you “wait” (it’s not even about that atm). It’s just overall horrible experience I hate any form of immortality. It just undoes so many players mistake or just bad mechanics.
I will make a case that zenyatta’s invulnerability is fine. He has it on ult CD so if he uses it he is without ult for ages, and he can’t hurt you while using it. The only healthy invulnerability in the game.
@@pete5516 Transcendence is different because you need to make a choice on how you want to use it. You can proactively take an aggressive angle/flank and press Q when things go bad, you can use it midfight to help your team brawl, and you can use it to counter enemy ultimates. Transcendence also does regular immo stuff like bailout a low HP teammate or yourself, but not if that teammate is antid. Suzu/Lamp/Grip are almost always used reactively and they are unaffected by anti-healing.
Only exception being Zenyatta, since he's actively choosing between using his ULTIMATE (it takes years to recharge) to save himself or try to not die until his team is in absolute need of it. He also can't attack during the Ultimate, so when he does uses it to save his skin, he can't kill whoever forced him to use it. He's also oe of the only supports who doesn't have a "fuck you, _insert bullshit defensive ability_ ", it's all up to him and his balls to defend himself if he were to get caught alone. I still fucking despise his Discord Orb, but that's an issue with 5v5 rather than the ability itself.
no offense to support players out there, but the role is significantly easier than the other roles. it's like having the cooldowns of orisa (in terms of denial and survivability) except you get to sit in safety behind the entire team, with a second character who also has cooldowns just as strong peeling for you always.
Maybe in higher ranks. Lower ranked players face 1 direction the entire match and never look around. Just tunnel vision for the thing in front of them.
@@WindReiter10 this comment is cope lmao. dps ranks says otherwise. its always dps players that are gm in all 3 roles. less often is even tanks. and gm supports are very often diamond/plat in other ranks. idk why youre saying dps players are bad when they unironically have the best gamers playing that role
@@AgentOrange502Well of course that's because DPS mains are tryhards that will abuse any type of cheese wether that be server admin Widow/Tracer on DPS, 500 HP Raid Boss Bap, (y'all are not good tank players that's cope), etc. Meanwhile you have Champion ranked players like Frogger who can dick around on Lucio being silly and still wipe the floor with you no life tryhards.
the blizzard philosphy of buffing or not touching heroes because of their win rate or pick rate is bullshit. lifeweaver has consistenly been a terrible hero since he was released, but that does not mean that his life grip isnt bullshit. tank overextended by an ungodly amount and we dumped all of our cooldowns to try and kill him? no matter, just life grip. shouldve baited that one out huh. now youre down all your cooldowns while the enemy team only is down 1 life grip. it does not matter how bad a hero is, if an ability is bullshit, its bullshit and needs to be tweaked/taken out of the game
although i do have to disagree w ur point ab cree rolling to save froma pulse bomb. theres a big difference between life grip, suzu and immort compared to the roll, and that is that the roll is both an offensive and defensive cooldown, whihc means the cree has to be aware NOT to use his shift when the tracer has bomb. then reaper shift would have to go away too since it nullifies your ult. life grip, suzu and immort are purely reactive, while roll and wraith can be both
@@ducasse8473 next time i get a match where i feel like it i can post it here, but the usual scenario is me shooting someone and they very often survive with a shiver of health
@@VALY-zm2tk "aim means nothing" and "nothing dies" Sounds like just about any match you give me should work. I mean you even give an exact reason as to why it's happening.
The amount of times i left people with 5 hp and i died because they had a support immediately come to their rescue meanwhile my supports are shoving a pissbeam up the tanks ass... amazing!
powerful abilities in pvp games must have/take: 1. High Skill to pull of 2. High Commitment 3. Multiple individual counterplay options that are feasible if it fails at a single one, your ability is poorly designed. Suzu fails at them ALL simultaneously.
1) suzu has very small timing and a huge delay that is also slower for kiriko herself, making the ability need very high prediciton 2)suzu is slow and kiriko needs to throw it directly into the ground for any kind of timing to be feasible, meaning she has to expose herself to the risk to save a teamate 3) a) not overcomit to killing the kiriko, same as tracer blink, mei iceblock reaper fade b) bait out the skill, same as genji deflect c) oneshot the kiriko d) burst down the kiriko after the suzu e) go for opurtunistic kills instead of wasting 15 doing a ¨sneaky¨ dumb flank i think you misspeled inmortality field
@@KCrucis 1)small timing that can NEGATE EVERYTHING IN THE GAME is not balanced when all you do is throw it at the ground before you die 2)yeah that's how u use it and abilities need risk 3)the issue is that she can attack you during her ability while all of them can't 4)a smart player won't waste their abilities be it a genji or kiri and even if you do she can still tp away 5)not everyone plays hanzo or widowmaker 6)"after the suzu" yeah that's the problem you can't do shit while she has it like it's an ultimate or smth 7)flanking isn't dumb and not all characters play the same way waiting for opportunities to appear will not win you games
@@engineergaming3830 1) blink, iceblock and fade only require a single key input, dont even need to look down 2)as they should, stop putting words in my mouth 3) the time active plus cast efect doesnt give you time for a second kunai 4) then the smart player won the encounter, kiriko just wasted her time instead of heal or get a pick, she also lost the tp so she can get dived which renders her as a healbot for the time being, with good players, that often means the teamfight ended before she can be offensive again 5)not everyone plays kiriko 6)nor you can do things to reaper, mei, tracer, winston, sigma rein in some cases, do you actually play the game or just instalock your otp? 7) flanking isnt dumb, going in a long flank to the backline under the pretention that supports should be weaker than dps is dumb
Everything that denies value easily is probably the result of the game being to deathmatchy, you barely have people on comms or will rarley have teammates that are willing to swap to get that teamwork experience like in overwatch 1, the game really doesn’t require any team play that’s where I think all the second chance utility (get out of jail free cards) helps with the game not turning to cod.
I love it when I use dash and hit a 180 literal trickshot and then someone presses E and then if I blade the other guy presses E and then after I’m done being stunned by another guy who presses E I hit like 4 swings with blade and the support isn’t even at half hp because someone else pressed E and then held mouse1.
I think the most telling thing about kiriko is even the animated short. Most of these shorts are about teamwork and working together, but the kiriko one is just her soloing the entire enemy, because she is just too op: gonna kill her? Suzu; Gonna kill her again? Tp out; Boop her off of the map? She climbs back up; Think you can 1v1 her, because you have better mechanical skill? No she does a ton of damage.
I actually agree. I learned so much about this game when I got of support and played tank. Rein, Queen, Mauga, Ball are the ones I loved. The role is just so vastly different and the difficulty too
My only hope is that Marvel Rivals gets to remain consistent and trendy for at least a year... Blizzard will have to up their game or see 10 consecutive gold/plat games with the exact same 10 players until the servers close lol
I love going behind the enemy team,getting ready to dive the enemy widow,hitting my cooldowns,just to see a nice pink bubble appear,pull her away and the she headshots me in that interraction I had to think about preety much everything I did and the enemy lifeweaver was like oh widow about to die me press E and she no die
Coming from competitive team fortress 2 it's insane seeing how hard Blizzard missed the mark on what makes games fun. Fights need to be interactive, with a large ammount of errors being possible. These auto aim, auto deny abilties aren't interactive on either side and are impossible to fuck up execution wise. Greed, if you haven't given competitive tf2 a shot please do. The scene is small and the game has some issues but it's incredibly rewarding. pinguefy made a vid explaining why it's so good competitively.
The problem is it’s near impossible to get into tf2 unless you go directly to competitive and skip playing the game for fun/casually. The amount of cheaters and bots is absurd and you know that overwatch objectively does a way better job at banning those players. I love tf2 but even with valve putting in effort the game still feels dead and every match is unfun unless you go on private servers.
I am noticing a difference in Marvel Rivals - there is no hard "counter picking" like in OW and the heroes are different enough to encourage differnet playstyles, but generic enough to not need constant swapping - if that makes sense.
OW has become a card game like LOL, whoever has the right deck, the right cards, you win. Too fast paced, too much healing and either you burst die or live eternally, like you said in the past
True. A lots of streamer are quiting Overwatch 2, cause it's just in a bad state right now. Season 9 changes really took away the potential of solo carrying. Like bigger health pool, larger hit boxes. It straight up lower the skill differences between good player and bad player, and also indirectly make counterswapping much more powerful. I'm a Asia Overwatch player, and the player base is also smaller. The higher rank you get, the more likely you're gonna be facing inbalance matches. I spent around 1600hr on Overwatch 2, and I watch a lot pro play analyze, and also vod reviews every game I lost, but even so, I keep stuck in diamond to master 5. Though I am feeling getting better each time, the rank just seems to not getting up. I recently decided that I am going to quit Overwatch 2, and I found a really good game called chess, which is your elo is rated by your own skill.
I never understood why cass had a homing grenade that prevents you from dodging it but tracers high skill ultimate has so many ways to escape it. They should make tracer hinder enemies who are stuck
Im scared of Blizzard somehow fucking up the 6v6 Tests or deciding it isnt worth it and OW staying 5v5 forever, this fucking format ruined the Game more than anything else. Then they butcher 5v5 aswell shit like the S9 Changes, like I dont get how incompetent they can be, this game could easily be great but they are just so dogshit at managing it, i even thought about stuff that would improve the Competitve and Casual side of the game drastically - Weekend Tournaments, build a Team with Randoms or Friends and earn some rewards if you win - End-Game Lobby + Voting Cards, like we used to have in OW1 - Weekly Arcade Rewards, remember we used to get 3x Lootboxes each week, just give some Coins or SOMETHING - Account Level, we need real account levels back, a Battle Pass doesnt cut it because it only goes to Level 80, add permanent account levels with Player portrait customization and free rewards, i know blizzard wants money but BE LESS GREEDY just give players some free stuff this wont make you earn less money ffs I dont know, i was fine with 2020-2022 OW, the game was not as popular but i still could hop on alone or with friends and have a blast, since OW2 all that is gone, its a shell of its former self.
I think the entire argument can be summed up pretty succinctly in that having an aspect of a video game that has no interactability whatsoever is bad game design. Lamp has plenty of issues but Baptiste is a good example of a time when Blizzard still had SOME idea of what they were doing, but were beginning to peel back player agency from their characters. Atleast Baptiste has some skill expression in the form of his primary fire and window. Now we have Juno, who has absolutely no way to express skill whatsoever. An ultimate that persists after death, locking torpedoes, the inability to get headshots, she doesn't even need to go through her own portal to get a speed boost ffs. Absolutely no skill ceiling whatsoever outside of positioning. The room that used to be between the skill floor and skill ceiling (The skill room, if you will lmao) has been turned into a skill crawlspace.
Wtf ? Juno has skill expression in the movement and the aim. Not having headshot doesn't remove skill expression related to aim Skill expression you get through positioning vastly increase when you can move like Juno does, it increase the possibilities and therefore skill ceiling
@ All you are doing is splitting hairs Yes Juno has to aim her weapon, that does not add to skill expression as it is a shooter, everybody has to aim their weapon. The fact that is what constitutes skill ceiling to Overwatch players is scary
You know, you did say no 6v6 vs 5v5 but as an og ow1 player I can't help but think about the fact that these things wouldn't be this much annoying in 6v6.
A lot of complaints in this video were “individuals have less carry potential” I seriously don’t see how adding another player wouldn’t make that worse. I’m open to explanations but if you’re worried that you don’t have enough agency then adding more players is NOT gonna help
This is why I'm loving MR so much. If I catch someone out of position and land my abilities the game tends to rewards me. In OW2 if you land your abilities it feels like you get punished for it lol.
I stopped playing overwatch 2-3 years ago and your video perfectly describes why i gave up on it back in the day. except widow being a baby hero, idk what happened to her, but i don't really care.
50/50 matchmaking is real literally played thousands of games and my best heroes peak at 55% win rate and this includes having to counter swap every 2 seconds to win. You shouldn't have to constantly swap to get a 5% improvement to win rate just to win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The end of OW1, one of the most complained about abilities was bap immo. So for OW2 they release 2/3 DLC supports with an immo with SOMEHOW, even less counterplay than Baps and people are wondering why everyone and their grandma plays Widow 24/7. Then they'll keep trying to justify it with "oh but it has a long cooldown". Brother if we gave a dps an E that instantly killed everything in a 15 meter radius but it was on a 2 minute cooldown, doesn't mean the ability is balanced.
I play alot of kiriko and as long as they keep kiriko really good as a duelist, im cool with suzu getting gutted, i didn't fall in love with that character because of her healing or saving someone, i like the the high headshot damage and getting kills, good healing is just a bonus in case i need to switch up my play style
@GREED_EU Dps should be better but they just aren't, the only time I've felt dps being really good is when the dps passive was first added, when I do play dps, I play echo and bap/illari is more scary than an ash or cree just because it's harder to kill them as quickly as I can kill an ash.
@@GREED_EU It was never a thing, Zen and Lucio have been in the game since launch and were off supports who dealt good damage and provided solid utility instead of raw healing, wtf are you smoking?
As much of an inbalanced mess OW Classic was, it made aim and good positioning actually felt important. There was no real annoying burst-healing, damage-eating shields, or insane "bailout" abilities like the ones we have in OW2. Don't get me wrong, it was still terrible. But it felt way less frustrating when you lost a fight and it wasn't simply because the enemy Bap/Kiriko/Ana/LW pressed E.
Its true, the NPC level of what im seeing on screen is their peak gameplay, ive played way too much high octane genji, that i can see the environment im playing in, hence the boredom
I hate losing to ppl who have no idea how to play highground, bait cooldowns, make rotations, etc... and then they go mauga into my winston... like wtf
As a support player, I’ve actively chosen DPS over support because I can’t bear how boring, support is in my eyes. You’re right about how it’s just press a few buttons and wow, they live! No effort, no nothing, just hit the immortality button and they get a free pass even if they do the most stupid thing known to man. At least with DPS, I can do something other than just stand there for fun.
As an ana player, you have my respect for hating on kiri and widow players. I used to make anti plays all the time and was starting to get really good. OW2 came out, and started stripping away all that with suzu and increased cooldowns. Any time I see kiri, I just know I'm practically just a glorified heal bot for the round.
The amount of people who think kiri is balanced especially after the buff still is unreal, even in channels related to patch notes and game discussions. Had a guy tell me its a skill issue if I ult and kiri suzus to nullify the ult. After telling him I need to keep track at the very least of the enemy tanks and both supps cds as a tank, he still insisted I should just "learn" to bait out her suzu as if its soldiers healing ability or some damage ability and not a reactive ability to save a teammate from dying. So basically youre forced to ult when shes either down or just used her abilities along with the other tank and supp. She should have her suzu only cleanse negative effects and give you damage reduction like 50% off instead of eating about half of the ults in the game and even punishing you for it. Or remove her from the game even better.
Gonna be honest here, marvel rivals is full of the same bullshit, however you can still kill shit, making it indefinitely more fun, the only ow I might play is in the 6v6 test, but other than that I think I will quite for good.
If things were more killable, the cheesy insta-save abilities don't feel quite as bad. Still bad, but not as bad. If I'm playing Genji, I at least have a small chance of cutting through 200 HP a second time. But 250? 275? 300? Fat chance of that. Even bringing back the old HP values would make the game feel infinitely better, even if it's still shit. And revert projectile size changes too, so I can play something that isn't hitscan.
You are so right. Ive been saying this for years, i recently quit gaming (mostly) because of mostly this right here. This applies to much more than just overwatch and characters specifically, it boils down to defensive and offensive gameplay. Because defense is naturally strong against offense the defensive players and abilities will win more times than not. Thats why we need to make offensive games with only offensive proactive characters and defensive games for the losers that wanna camp/runaway/etc. Players have lost there sense of honor they always wanna win and not be better, there is a difference.
I’m genuinely baffled when I tell my friends why Genji sucks ass ( bad breakpoints, low dmg etc) and then they call me bad. Like yea. My fault when I hit a perfect combo to have a chance of getting a kill but inspire is active so I don’t get the kill or a support reacts and presses an immortality button.
DVA having the DPS, mobility and damage absorption all in one package and Kiriko having similar OP scale, is what makes the game unbearable. And the one shot Widow also and the overbearing healing
@ZevianAlter A mercy( or almost any regular support) will always die to a DVA who has some understanding how she works, if the support is alone. Alone in a sense, that her other teammates never care about her existence even if she(support )has good or perfect positioning
Winrates are down because of counterpicking... like a whole team can counterpick a carry. also I feel like every game on tank I get the worst dps ever and they get basically smurfs, but their tank is eating crayons... legit 50/50 fixed. but it's out of my control sometimes... my bad 3 ppl died to the tracer while I was holding 3
can we also talk about how devs said they don't tank ppl's mmr for being the sole reason for a loss on a team? and they defo don't boost for a carry... so like... in a team game, MY MMR IS BASED OFF OF THE WHOLE TEAM? people who don't know what the word "peel" means?
Lmao this was talked about in the dev interview with Spilo, you say you want this until you realize it's probably YOU who's the issue and get hit the "you suck" adjustment.
nobody understands what high rank tank players feel. baiting 6 cooldowns and baiting kites is so so BORING. Also, what pisses me off the most is brig. As winston you bail the whip, then jump on her and bubble but OH WOW , SHE HEALS HERSELF AND IT STACKS...and she already had stacks where I dove before the engage. how was I supposed to know? she was full hp... dumb low indicator character
I think the biggest thing i noticed about this video is that the game in itself has shifted from individual power to team power and if you consistently try to make it individual power most abilities in the game punish you for that mistake
It's a Sisyphean simulator. As a support main, it does get boring & very telling, especially when you meet several T500 Mercy OTPs who just get lobotomized mid-match when they swap heroes. It's insane how much value I get for doing the bare minimum because I picked said support & it's also why I've picked up Tracer/Venture
I Understand your point about Baptiste just jumping and pressing E to get out of danger And this is what I hate the most on this game, characters that just press E and that's it, they are alive and you are dead because yes Marvel > Overwatch
Youre intro describing the genji situation is exactly what i feel on tracer. You do everything perfectly and your play gets completely shut down by someone pressing 1 button. People will say "o bait cooldowns first." Man fuck those people they are blind to the insane powercreep in this game. The fact that theres people who are okay with these abilities being in game is insane to me.
"Wait out suzu to dive" They still have tp, wall climb, Ult, and an Ana sleep, anti, and nano. I have to somehow coordinate a full team dive to maybe kill one of the supports.
2:22 Isn't support supposed to be reactive though? Maybe the 6v6 will help things a bit for what you're talking about. As a support main...Kiriko is played a lot because of dive. She is good at getting out of tougher situations and as a solo player that is a freaking breath of fresh air. I get dived by two enemies three times in a row and then switch to kiriko and start to feel like I can finally play the bloody game. I mean..it goes both ways. Very hard to fix without turning the game into basic call of duty.
They killed any playmaking thing. They took out the heroes weaknesses, added imortalities, brain damaged support heroes. I can't even describe the new generation of players either. The game died long time ago. And I'm saying this as a launch day player.
i feel you. i miss ow1. it felt more authentic and genji was somewhat playable. even tho i’m hard stuck play/diamond low masters. if it wasn’t for the death animations and funny movements when characters die, i wouldn’t be playing ow2. these new characters are whacky in a bad way.
Hey I agree with everything you said in this video, you can have insane aim, mechanics, positioning, etc. and sometimes you'll get beat by a player just using a ability getting free value. Healing is too much, shields are annoying, abilities like Suzu and lifegrip sucks. Its way too much stuff that prevents bad players from being punished.
They’ve been given opportunities to fix these issues for several years, I dont intent to stick around anymore for how disrespected my hero was treaten.
There are currently 2 things I absolutely love about Marvel Rivals: 1. No hard Counter-Picks: Every time I just wanted to play something like Ash and then get Hanzo/Widow as an enemy, I regretted even starting OW. 2. No full bullshit abilties: You are on a perfect flank? Well guess what, kiriko tps through 200 walls, and you are fucked.
I want this guy to have a debate with flats. Because he and another couple of content creators say 5v5 IMPROVES individual agency because of all the space there is to use now. I see both sides between this video and the general "pro 5v5'ers"
This is what low ranks dont get about widow. Yeh, its painfully easy to dive a widow and when you do so she dies because its a 1vs1...when you play against people who has a brain, 9 times out of 10 theres gonna be a japanese mary sue saving her ass, be grateful you all can play your discount tracer called Sombra without getting contested but the rest of us playing tracer or genji in anything higher than diamond actually have to use our brains
I'm just a casual who has never been good at this game, I enjoy zen/ana so I recently tried DPS and holy shit it is so much harder, people below masters just don't heal dps but you are still expected to take risks and duels with worse CDs. Actual question how tf do you play echo vs widow odva?
i havnt had fun on Overwatch since they made the switch to Ow2, i tried to play and enjoy the game but legit would rather bash my head into a wall than play OW2, Marvel Rivals is my new best friend
Even though I am still having fun at the game, and I am gold roughly, I still hate immo's. I just hate it when you shatter their tank and try to charge it off the map to only see that stupid white glow around their tank and have your charge go right through it. I hate kiriko.
Haha, the new patch has a Mercy with clear cleavage (which is bad), more buffs to some Support heroes for some reason and some other notes not worth(not all). Not worth looking over.
Only characters i find bullshit in this game are Cassidy and widow rn, Cassidy doesn't need 275 health if he can two shot almost every squishy in the game and the roll gives him 50% damage reduction and reloads his gun, with a grenade that stops you from using mobility abilities and gives you 30% speed reduction, being one of the best hitscan dps before the fall off damage nerf. And Widow just because of her range, not even mad about her ability to insta kill somebody, but only her range which although it makes sense, since its a sniper, it is just not fun to play against. I don't feel rly bothered by immortality abilities, it makes it harder to get huge plays but once you get it, it kinda feels more rewarding, at least for me. I started playing in season 3 of ow2 and i still enjoy the game, but i mean, im only a diamond doomfist, still far away from top500 gameplay, which i hope one day reach it to see how things work there. Good video 👍
This is the same problem I have with marvel rivals. But I still enjoy playing both games because I’m just a casual player who does comp here and there. I feel like both games aren’t that good for competitive players. Marvel rivals currently is because it’s new so there’s a lot to learn, but I think long term, things will have to change.
As someone who plays wrecking ball...thos is pretty common even at like plat. People swap to sombra, reaper, mcree in a heartbeat if they even start to get rolled by ball. And the moment they go sombra thats it, thats my gaming experience gone even if they arent a good sombra, its not hard to look out for specifically the ball engaging and just focusing on them.
sorry small rant (again) i tend to like these. firstly like i said in my previous one. There is NO bigger sin in a multiplayer game for a character than to be BORING. Secondly you mentioned the winrates. i 100% agree with you that they legit dont matter that much. Main reason for this is the fact that lets say we have a hero like genji. (its been years since i last played so might be a bad example) who is very weak. NOBODY is picking this character outside of the best genji onetricks. and then you wonder why is his winrate at 52% or something. because NOBODY PLAYS THE CHARACTER EXCEPT THE PEOPLE THAT ONETRICK HIM. Same thing when brig was released. You would see high level tracer players like Kabaji for example have issues hard carrying games in like gold/plat. Lets take as an example a 4800 genji onetrick. Lets say he kept one tricking genji into the worst anti genji shit in the game, but they got a new account when brig was released for example. They would climb to lets arbitrarily say 3700 (yes ofcource these numbers dont work out. im just trying to give an example). The player might have 55% winrate after a few 100 matches. So the winrate has absolutely no meaning because that player is LIGHTYEARS ahead of everybody else at 3800. But cant win games because their character is completely fucking useless into what ever majority of the players is playing... ofcource you wont see full meta at 3700 or 3800 but i hope you get my point. Sorry bad example. essentially bad characters being hard carried by their players instead of the otherway around. and if you put a player of that skill level on any other character they would instantly climb a lot. edit oh right forgot to add. i think there is still one or 2 characters that can ignore the reactive play... that mainly being widow since one shot cant just delete somebody faster they can react.
They are scared of the idea to give more relevance to dps role or nerf supports and tanks well, 6v6 needs to be real to make a good balance But what really makes the game soo boring is the one shot experience, widowmaker is a problem, not the main one, but a huge one
I genuinely refuse to play this game until they fix it (which is never LOL) due to the supports being way too powerful and half the dps roster being terrible. I never liked Hanzo, but the fact that he gets practically DELETED (same with Genji) from the game but Kiriko and Widow get 0 changes is absolutely bonkers to me. It genuinely feels frustrating that half of my games genuinely feel unwinnable unless I go Reaper to help my team melt the raid boss of a tank that is on the enemy team and flank the Supports and MAYBE pick them off (if they don't press their free tp and god mode cds) or go the snoozefest that is Widow and one shot everything because if I don't, we 0 picks and we just sit at the choke pressing keys until the timer runs out. Let's not even talk about the matchmaker. I'm not the greatest player to have ever graced OW2 or anything but, I'm constantly looking at my mistakes and bad habits and because of this, I placed D4 this season (and I will admit, I did it one tricking Reaper because of what I said earlier in this comment) which motivated me to continue grinding for Masters and eventually GM. After my placements however, I kept getting Silver and even Top 500 players in my DIAMOND games constantly which made me drop down to PLAT 4 where I'm STILL losing no matter what I do because for some reason I STILL keep getting matched with Silver players and Masters-GM players in Plat. I'll just stick with Marvel Rivals until the 6v6 playtest comes out lol
I know moira is not as playable and not as much of a problem at high ranks, but I'm sick of having to play perfect as genji against her, she's gotten like 4 buffs in a row, she has her fade that makes her immortal for a second,she doesn't have to aim,she heals herself idk. (I'm diamond 5 so i'm not that bad idk)
That game is even worse, it feels terribly optimized (like every modern game) the game has more immortality and when players get decent it's gonna be so fuckin unfun
Bro shut up stick to overwatch2 play the dogshit game just play rivals it’s so much better your gonna keep complaining don’t call rivals shit it’s gonna make overwatch a better game if there’s competition your the one that’s killing overwatch for not switching games and having better competition it will help overwatch get better
I dont think overwatch's issues start here. I dont even think this is close. This is certainly a result of other issues. But its like complaining about a smell in your house when your dog has been taking dumps and vomiting everywhere for weeks. Like yeah the house smells bro.
"im not allowed to play the hero i want to play because someone else playing the video game picked a different video game hero" i mean like cass > venture ana > hog, mauga mauga > rein, hog ball > widow pharah, echo > junkrat sombra > doom, ball bro has just discovered counters if "you are good enough", you can always win despite it if you arent, then swap, or suffer the consequences, its literally your choice, you are cucking yourself of your own free will, every time you got cucked and died, theres an H button right there, and if its not fun, theres also a marvel rivals button or a fortnite button also, yeah, kiris and baps kits are overloaded, but dont bunch my boy weaver in the same category, first off, he can neither use his get out of jail free card on himself, nor on a group of targets, unlike the other two, and secondly, at least he isnt essentially a third dps on top of having all that utility unlike the other two, you can feel cheated when you get 1v1ed by a kiri or a bap all you want but anyone complaining about losing a 1v1 to a lw is straight delusional, the only things in the game that have got less dueling power is baby dva and a mercy without valk
Dare I say skill issue, monitor cool downs?
But Suzu is a reactionary cooldown. How do I wait it out if she only uses it for my dive? You want me to just sit completely afk and do nothing?
This only works on certain situations where they're not attached to the hip with their team with certain heros with cooldowns to throw away that also have incredible get out of jail free cards to avoid the cavalcade of cc and peel converging on you
Or worse if SHE dives at YOU and then teleport out, they used to do it a lot when she released.
It's honestly insane to me how blind people are to ability powercreep in this game.
The ability to play around the cooldowns isn't the problem. Sure, I can wait for lifeweaver to use his grip. But the fact that every 25 seconds he can look in the general direction of his out of position teammate, press a button and bail them out of danger for free with ZERO counterplay from me is just stupid, and is the exact reason why people don't like this game anymore.
People like you are the reason supports continue to whave imo's and play denial in their kit
As much as I want 6v6 back it ultimately won't make a huge difference in how rewarding the game feels if they don't dial back the immortality granting abilities and insane AoE/no mechanical skill healing. Just imagine how much better it could be if Suzu only healed and cleansed, Bap immo was just a 75% damage reduction zone, Weaver pull only did minor healing and 50% damage reduction (wouldn't change the fact that he's still designed around denial and no-skill healing but it would be slightly less bad to play against, like at least you have a chance to kill the enemy instead of them becoming outright immortal).
Remember the times when all healing was interactable? When you couldn't just press the button and heal the target at insane distance and the enemy couldn't do shit about it? Back then only moira's and mercy's healing was non-interactable but both were locked behind being very close range. Then brig appeared with her packs, then kiri, then weaver
Btw I tried 6v6 code and while immos are still annoying af with more ppl around they get used more often. Tanks being squishier helps too. It's not like the tank goes through CD cycle does insane damage and value and then gets Suzued only if they made a mistake or got 5 men focusing them. The tanks actually melt and force stuff like suzu more frequently than in 5v5 and there is 2 of them
you're not actually immortal in the field but sure.
@@tylerbacoka4248explain, is it because u can destroy it?
The point you made about support players being in lower ranks when playing other roles is absolutely true. I consistently bounce between Plat 1 and Diamond 5 every season, and the number of players with Top 500 titles I've encountered at these ranks is surprisingly high. When I check their profiles, they almost always turn out to be support mains who are GM or Top 500 in their main role.The frustrating part is that you'd expect someone ranked among the best 500 players in the region to carry games effortlessly, but that's often not the case.
I mean it’s “support” for a reason. They aren’t the flex role. They are like the grease between the gears. This is just a rage baited pov if you ask me. Not everyone enjoys or wants to play tank. And not everyone wants to be the play maker as damage. There are different roles for different types of people. This video and these comments just come from a point of view that you are the best and you should be winning your games if your good, but the problem is that this pov, and most players these days, just lack respect for other players skills. There are a lot of good gamers out there and the climate of games change as the lifespan goes on. People still carry solo. And you aren’t guaranteed to win every game you play.
@@calebweaver7385 counterpoint. There are good support players who are also top 500 on other roles and they absolutely stomp on support when they do their unranked to GM. If we take "being good at OW2" as a scale of 1 - 10 you need significantly less to reach top 500 as supp only compared to tank only and especially dps only where top 500 on all roles being 10/10
@@calebweaver7385 this is just cope
because there is less players to fill the ladder so its easier to be higher
The cope is unreal. Support is simply the easiest role from an objective standpoint. Largest projectile/hitscan hitboxes, easiest value abilities, least amount of thinking required. Not even flaming people who enjoy playing support, thats just how the role currently is.
I noticed my McCree was going into an off angle to do ult. In the corner of my screen, I noticed a Sojourn trying to flank my Mcreee. I'd TP to him suzu and off the Sojourn. As funny as that was im sure the other player was upset
Sounds balanced to me
My face when I did everything right and my enemy did everything wrong but the fox girl tped from other match and gave them the power of God (skill issue should have predicted it smh)
I don't see anything wrong with that. That is you paying attention and the Sojourn wasn't. If dps just listen for Kiriko's suzu or teleports then they will have a much easier time in doing things. The same is with all characters.
@@SkyClearsTp Suzu happens instantly. The only way to beat it is to bait it out with another cooldown. So it wasn't simply "an awareness issue" on thr Sojourn's behalf.
I still will never understand why ANY type of Immortal is in the game, the experience of immortality is beyond horrible. It’s boring and unfun to fight. I love absolutely sweating my nuts of playing outta my mind, and then they just get saved by an E ability. It undoes ALOT of players bad positioning and plays, it’s so annoying cause sometimes it dosent matter how much you “wait” (it’s not even about that atm). It’s just overall horrible experience I hate any form of immortality. It just undoes so many players mistake or just bad mechanics.
I will make a case that zenyatta’s invulnerability is fine. He has it on ult CD so if he uses it he is without ult for ages, and he can’t hurt you while using it. The only healthy invulnerability in the game.
@@pete5516 Transcendence is different because you need to make a choice on how you want to use it. You can proactively take an aggressive angle/flank and press Q when things go bad, you can use it midfight to help your team brawl, and you can use it to counter enemy ultimates. Transcendence also does regular immo stuff like bailout a low HP teammate or yourself, but not if that teammate is antid.
Suzu/Lamp/Grip are almost always used reactively and they are unaffected by anti-healing.
Only exception being Zenyatta, since he's actively choosing between using his ULTIMATE (it takes years to recharge) to save himself or try to not die until his team is in absolute need of it.
He also can't attack during the Ultimate, so when he does uses it to save his skin, he can't kill whoever forced him to use it. He's also oe of the only supports who doesn't have a "fuck you, _insert bullshit defensive ability_ ", it's all up to him and his balls to defend himself if he were to get caught alone.
I still fucking despise his Discord Orb, but that's an issue with 5v5 rather than the ability itself.
no offense to support players out there, but the role is significantly easier than the other roles. it's like having the cooldowns of orisa (in terms of denial and survivability) except you get to sit in safety behind the entire team, with a second character who also has cooldowns just as strong peeling for you always.
With equal damage output as the DPS characters!
Maybe in higher ranks. Lower ranked players face 1 direction the entire match and never look around. Just tunnel vision for the thing in front of them.
No offense to dps players (I'm a tank main) y'all are the biggest cry babies with the most busted server admin heroes and still manage to be bad. Cope
@@WindReiter10 this comment is cope lmao. dps ranks says otherwise. its always dps players that are gm in all 3 roles. less often is even tanks. and gm supports are very often diamond/plat in other ranks. idk why youre saying dps players are bad when they unironically have the best gamers playing that role
@@AgentOrange502Well of course that's because DPS mains are tryhards that will abuse any type of cheese wether that be server admin Widow/Tracer on DPS, 500 HP Raid Boss Bap, (y'all are not good tank players that's cope), etc. Meanwhile you have Champion ranked players like Frogger who can dick around on Lucio being silly and still wipe the floor with you no life tryhards.
the blizzard philosphy of buffing or not touching heroes because of their win rate or pick rate is bullshit. lifeweaver has consistenly been a terrible hero since he was released, but that does not mean that his life grip isnt bullshit. tank overextended by an ungodly amount and we dumped all of our cooldowns to try and kill him? no matter, just life grip. shouldve baited that one out huh. now youre down all your cooldowns while the enemy team only is down 1 life grip. it does not matter how bad a hero is, if an ability is bullshit, its bullshit and needs to be tweaked/taken out of the game
although i do have to disagree w ur point ab cree rolling to save froma pulse bomb. theres a big difference between life grip, suzu and immort compared to the roll, and that is that the roll is both an offensive and defensive cooldown, whihc means the cree has to be aware NOT to use his shift when the tracer has bomb. then reaper shift would have to go away too since it nullifies your ult. life grip, suzu and immort are purely reactive, while roll and wraith can be both
so real for this and i dont even play OW, but that's legit just logic, why are things like this in games, much less "competitive" ones? its aids lmao
Season 9 healthpool increase was an immense mistake, NOTHING DIES. Aim means NOTHING.
Unless you're widow I guess
Out of curiosity, could you send me a replay code where this showcases what you mean?
@@ducasse8473 next time i get a match where i feel like it i can post it here, but the usual scenario is me shooting someone and they very often survive with a shiver of health
@@VALY-zm2tk
"aim means nothing" and "nothing dies"
Sounds like just about any match you give me should work. I mean you even give an exact reason as to why it's happening.
The amount of times i left people with 5 hp and i died because they had a support immediately come to their rescue meanwhile my supports are shoving a pissbeam up the tanks ass... amazing!
Blizzard knows what they're doing, gotta peddle to the support player base so that they can farm them for skins.
Overwatch may not be fun but consistent GREED uploads are always fun
Agreed
Yeah seeing someone saying what ive been saying since brig release, and having a decent audience makes me happy.
powerful abilities in pvp games must have/take:
1. High Skill to pull of
2. High Commitment
3. Multiple individual counterplay options that are feasible
if it fails at a single one, your ability is poorly designed. Suzu fails at them ALL simultaneously.
A good comparison, Ana’s everything.
1) suzu has very small timing and a huge delay that is also slower for kiriko herself, making the ability need very high prediciton
2)suzu is slow and kiriko needs to throw it directly into the ground for any kind of timing to be feasible, meaning she has to expose herself to the risk to save a teamate
3) a) not overcomit to killing the kiriko, same as tracer blink, mei iceblock reaper fade
b) bait out the skill, same as genji deflect
c) oneshot the kiriko
d) burst down the kiriko after the suzu
e) go for opurtunistic kills instead of wasting 15 doing a ¨sneaky¨ dumb flank
i think you misspeled inmortality field
Both Suzu and lamp fail spectacularly at those
@@KCrucis 1)small timing that can NEGATE EVERYTHING IN THE GAME is not balanced when all you do is throw it at the ground before you die
2)yeah that's how u use it and abilities need risk
3)the issue is that she can attack you during her ability while all of them can't
4)a smart player won't waste their abilities be it a genji or kiri and even if you do she can still tp away
5)not everyone plays hanzo or widowmaker
6)"after the suzu" yeah that's the problem you can't do shit while she has it like it's an ultimate or smth
7)flanking isn't dumb and not all characters play the same way waiting for opportunities to appear will not win you games
@@engineergaming3830 1) blink, iceblock and fade only require a single key input, dont even need to look down
2)as they should, stop putting words in my mouth
3) the time active plus cast efect doesnt give you time for a second kunai
4) then the smart player won the encounter, kiriko just wasted her time instead of heal or get a pick, she also lost the tp so she can get dived which renders her as a healbot for the time being, with good players, that often means the teamfight ended before she can be offensive again
5)not everyone plays kiriko
6)nor you can do things to reaper, mei, tracer, winston, sigma rein in some cases, do you actually play the game or just instalock your otp?
7) flanking isnt dumb, going in a long flank to the backline under the pretention that supports should be weaker than dps is dumb
I find your rants like this cathartic, and the end bit about our moms maybe being dead or not is hilarious. Subbed
When my gm 5 peak supp main is off rolling dps in my shitter masters game and they go 5v1 into backline and remember they can’t tp out on echo
Everything that denies value easily is probably the result of the game being to deathmatchy, you barely have people on comms or will rarley have teammates that are willing to swap to get that teamwork experience like in overwatch 1, the game really doesn’t require any team play that’s where I think all the second chance utility (get out of jail free cards) helps with the game not turning to cod.
I enjoyed every second of playing overwatch past 797 days because ignorance is bliss
I wish i could go back
I love it when I use dash and hit a 180 literal trickshot and then someone presses E and then if I blade the other guy presses E and then after I’m done being stunned by another guy who presses E I hit like 4 swings with blade and the support isn’t even at half hp because someone else pressed E and then held mouse1.
I think the most telling thing about kiriko is even the animated short. Most of these shorts are about teamwork and working together, but the kiriko one is just her soloing the entire enemy, because she is just too op: gonna kill her? Suzu; Gonna kill her again? Tp out; Boop her off of the map? She climbs back up; Think you can 1v1 her, because you have better mechanical skill? No she does a ton of damage.
Not to mention her tiny hitbox and aimbot healing.
Not only were deadly Anna's respected but reddit lucios were cherished
I actually agree. I learned so much about this game when I got of support and played tank. Rein, Queen, Mauga, Ball are the ones I loved. The role is just so vastly different and the difficulty too
My only hope is that Marvel Rivals gets to remain consistent and trendy for at least a year... Blizzard will have to up their game or see 10 consecutive gold/plat games with the exact same 10 players until the servers close lol
i wish, supports are even stronger on rivals
I love going behind the enemy team,getting ready to dive the enemy widow,hitting my cooldowns,just to see a nice pink bubble appear,pull her away and the she headshots me in that interraction I had to think about preety much everything I did and the enemy lifeweaver was like oh widow about to die me press E and she no die
Coming from competitive team fortress 2 it's insane seeing how hard Blizzard missed the mark on what makes games fun. Fights need to be interactive, with a large ammount of errors being possible. These auto aim, auto deny abilties aren't interactive on either side and are impossible to fuck up execution wise.
Greed, if you haven't given competitive tf2 a shot please do. The scene is small and the game has some issues but it's incredibly rewarding. pinguefy made a vid explaining why it's so good competitively.
The problem is it’s near impossible to get into tf2 unless you go directly to competitive and skip playing the game for fun/casually. The amount of cheaters and bots is absurd and you know that overwatch objectively does a way better job at banning those players. I love tf2 but even with valve putting in effort the game still feels dead and every match is unfun unless you go on private servers.
@pete5516 bot problem is solved. Casual is not really worth playing unless you're on sniper. 6s is really the only enjoyable way to play the game.
@@ramberghini072 highlander?
I am noticing a difference in Marvel Rivals - there is no hard "counter picking" like in OW and the heroes are different enough to encourage differnet playstyles, but generic enough to not need constant swapping - if that makes sense.
I personally have Suzu and lamp bound to B, aka the bailout button
OW has become a card game like LOL, whoever has the right deck, the right cards, you win. Too fast paced, too much healing and either you burst die or live eternally, like you said in the past
True. A lots of streamer are quiting Overwatch 2, cause it's just in a bad state right now.
Season 9 changes really took away the potential of solo carrying. Like bigger health pool, larger hit boxes. It straight up lower the skill differences between good player and bad player, and also indirectly make counterswapping much more powerful.
I'm a Asia Overwatch player, and the player base is also smaller. The higher rank you get, the more likely you're gonna be facing inbalance matches.
I spent around 1600hr on Overwatch 2, and I watch a lot pro play analyze, and also vod reviews every game I lost, but even so, I keep stuck in diamond to master 5. Though I am feeling getting better each time, the rank just seems to not getting up.
I recently decided that I am going to quit Overwatch 2, and I found a really good game called chess, which is your elo is rated by your own skill.
as a tracer Having my pulse bomb counter by kiri two buttons, shes presses E shes saved, or shes tp away and shes still saved.
very fun ! dont ult kiri
I never understood why cass had a homing grenade that prevents you from dodging it but tracers high skill ultimate has so many ways to escape it. They should make tracer hinder enemies who are stuck
Im scared of Blizzard somehow fucking up the 6v6 Tests or deciding it isnt worth it and OW staying 5v5 forever, this fucking format ruined the Game more than anything else.
Then they butcher 5v5 aswell shit like the S9 Changes, like I dont get how incompetent they can be, this game could easily be great but they are just so dogshit at managing it, i even thought about stuff that would improve the Competitve and Casual side of the game drastically
- Weekend Tournaments, build a Team with Randoms or Friends and earn some rewards if you win
- End-Game Lobby + Voting Cards, like we used to have in OW1
- Weekly Arcade Rewards, remember we used to get 3x Lootboxes each week, just give some Coins or SOMETHING
- Account Level, we need real account levels back, a Battle Pass doesnt cut it because it only goes to Level 80, add permanent account levels with Player portrait customization and free rewards, i know blizzard wants money but BE LESS GREEDY just give players some free stuff this wont make you earn less money ffs
I dont know, i was fine with 2020-2022 OW, the game was not as popular but i still could hop on alone or with friends and have a blast, since OW2 all that is gone, its a shell of its former self.
I agree with you
I think the entire argument can be summed up pretty succinctly in that having an aspect of a video game that has no interactability whatsoever is bad game design. Lamp has plenty of issues but Baptiste is a good example of a time when Blizzard still had SOME idea of what they were doing, but were beginning to peel back player agency from their characters. Atleast Baptiste has some skill expression in the form of his primary fire and window.
Now we have Juno, who has absolutely no way to express skill whatsoever. An ultimate that persists after death, locking torpedoes, the inability to get headshots, she doesn't even need to go through her own portal to get a speed boost ffs. Absolutely no skill ceiling whatsoever outside of positioning.
The room that used to be between the skill floor and skill ceiling (The skill room, if you will lmao) has been turned into a skill crawlspace.
Wtf ? Juno has skill expression in the movement and the aim. Not having headshot doesn't remove skill expression related to aim
Skill expression you get through positioning vastly increase when you can move like Juno does, it increase the possibilities and therefore skill ceiling
@ All you are doing is splitting hairs
Yes Juno has to aim her weapon, that does not add to skill expression as it is a shooter, everybody has to aim their weapon. The fact that is what constitutes skill ceiling to Overwatch players is scary
@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 having good aim isn't skill expression k bud
@@Blanktester685 She can’t even get headshots lmao all you have to do is put your mouse cursor on something congratulations Nancy drew
You know, you did say no 6v6 vs 5v5 but as an og ow1 player I can't help but think about the fact that these things wouldn't be this much annoying in 6v6.
A lot of complaints in this video were “individuals have less carry potential” I seriously don’t see how adding another player wouldn’t make that worse. I’m open to explanations but if you’re worried that you don’t have enough agency then adding more players is NOT gonna help
1:43 how tf does Hanzos jump have a cooldown and this doesn't he even whiffed the first jump too. just to rub it in your face lol
This is why I'm loving MR so much. If I catch someone out of position and land my abilities the game tends to rewards me. In OW2 if you land your abilities it feels like you get punished for it lol.
Dude, just play Marvel rivals lol.
16:12
Idiot take
Nah please stay on OW.
Not replacement. That game lacks the depth of OW and becomes old soon.
@@bichitomax what depth? Facing denial abilities on short cooldowns all game?
I stopped playing overwatch 2-3 years ago and your video perfectly describes why i gave up on it back in the day.
except widow being a baby hero, idk what happened to her, but i don't really care.
Bros been milking his rage for the last 797 days
gold kiri main detected
@hez1711 diamond 1 ana kiri main
@@VTheTuberso gold on other roles
@@lemonzest_ gold dps plat tank
No Widow nerfs today. Buy your Widow mythics people. Stonks high.
They need to give Genji a rework and give him a gun that shoots ninja stars and his ultimate will be aim assist sword energy slashes.
50/50 matchmaking is real literally played thousands of games and my best heroes peak at 55% win rate and this includes having to counter swap every 2 seconds to win. You shouldn't have to constantly swap to get a 5% improvement to win rate just to win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The end of OW1, one of the most complained about abilities was bap immo. So for OW2 they release 2/3 DLC supports with an immo with SOMEHOW, even less counterplay than Baps and people are wondering why everyone and their grandma plays Widow 24/7. Then they'll keep trying to justify it with "oh but it has a long cooldown".
Brother if we gave a dps an E that instantly killed everything in a 15 meter radius but it was on a 2 minute cooldown, doesn't mean the ability is balanced.
Zenyatta transcendence is balanced
I play alot of kiriko and as long as they keep kiriko really good as a duelist, im cool with suzu getting gutted, i didn't fall in love with that character because of her healing or saving someone, i like the the high headshot damage and getting kills, good healing is just a bonus in case i need to switch up my play style
The fact that a support hero is simply just "a duelist" is crazy. What happened to that being a DPS thing?
@GREED_EU Dps should be better but they just aren't, the only time I've felt dps being really good is when the dps passive was first added, when I do play dps, I play echo and bap/illari is more scary than an ash or cree just because it's harder to kill them as quickly as I can kill an ash.
@@GREED_EU It was never a thing, Zen and Lucio have been in the game since launch and were off supports who dealt good damage and provided solid utility instead of raw healing, wtf are you smoking?
@@WindReiter10 it should be clear from the video that he is one of those dps players that think supports should be bots to shoot at
@@WindReiter10 tbh zen has no way of escape and lucio can only deal some damage if he hits all headshots so they're far from the dps role
As much of an inbalanced mess OW Classic was, it made aim and good positioning actually felt important. There was no real annoying burst-healing, damage-eating shields, or insane "bailout" abilities like the ones we have in OW2.
Don't get me wrong, it was still terrible. But it felt way less frustrating when you lost a fight and it wasn't simply because the enemy Bap/Kiriko/Ana/LW pressed E.
Back when supports were considered “bad” at the launch of ow2, I got to top 500 easily because they weren’t bad its just no one knew how to play them.
Its true, the NPC level of what im seeing on screen is their peak gameplay, ive played way too much high octane genji, that i can see the environment im playing in, hence the boredom
As a gm3 ana/solider otp i 10000% support your message
I hate losing to ppl who have no idea how to play highground, bait cooldowns, make rotations, etc... and then they go mauga into my winston... like wtf
As a support player, I’ve actively chosen DPS over support because I can’t bear how boring, support is in my eyes. You’re right about how it’s just press a few buttons and wow, they live! No effort, no nothing, just hit the immortality button and they get a free pass even if they do the most stupid thing known to man. At least with DPS, I can do something other than just stand there for fun.
7:10 "they were better, so they won" if only that was the case now :(
As an ana player, you have my respect for hating on kiri and widow players. I used to make anti plays all the time and was starting to get really good. OW2 came out, and started stripping away all that with suzu and increased cooldowns. Any time I see kiri, I just know I'm practically just a glorified heal bot for the round.
The amount of people who think kiri is balanced especially after the buff still is unreal, even in channels related to patch notes and game discussions. Had a guy tell me its a skill issue if I ult and kiri suzus to nullify the ult. After telling him I need to keep track at the very least of the enemy tanks and both supps cds as a tank, he still insisted I should just "learn" to bait out her suzu as if its soldiers healing ability or some damage ability and not a reactive ability to save a teammate from dying. So basically youre forced to ult when shes either down or just used her abilities along with the other tank and supp. She should have her suzu only cleanse negative effects and give you damage reduction like 50% off instead of eating about half of the ults in the game and even punishing you for it. Or remove her from the game even better.
Gonna be honest here, marvel rivals is full of the same bullshit, however you can still kill shit, making it indefinitely more fun, the only ow I might play is in the 6v6 test, but other than that I think I will quite for good.
If things were more killable, the cheesy insta-save abilities don't feel quite as bad. Still bad, but not as bad. If I'm playing Genji, I at least have a small chance of cutting through 200 HP a second time. But 250? 275? 300? Fat chance of that.
Even bringing back the old HP values would make the game feel infinitely better, even if it's still shit.
And revert projectile size changes too, so I can play something that isn't hitscan.
You are so right. Ive been saying this for years, i recently quit gaming (mostly) because of mostly this right here. This applies to much more than just overwatch and characters specifically, it boils down to defensive and offensive gameplay. Because defense is naturally strong against offense the defensive players and abilities will win more times than not. Thats why we need to make offensive games with only offensive proactive characters and defensive games for the losers that wanna camp/runaway/etc. Players have lost there sense of honor they always wanna win and not be better, there is a difference.
You should keep making videos like this, great job. Really brightens up my day to see someone so honest. Maybe do a kiriko ur2gm for comedic purposes
I’m genuinely baffled when I tell my friends why Genji sucks ass ( bad breakpoints, low dmg etc) and then they call me bad. Like yea. My fault when I hit a perfect combo to have a chance of getting a kill but inspire is active so I don’t get the kill or a support reacts and presses an immortality button.
DVA having the DPS, mobility and damage absorption all in one package and Kiriko having similar OP scale, is what makes the game unbearable. And the one shot Widow also and the overbearing healing
Always said DVa shouldn't be the high mobility with all that Armor and Health. She can deal damage, negates and escapes easily.
@ZevianAlter A mercy( or almost any regular support) will always die to a DVA who has some understanding how she works, if the support is alone. Alone in a sense, that her other teammates never care about her existence even if she(support )has good or perfect positioning
Winrates are down because of counterpicking... like a whole team can counterpick a carry. also I feel like every game on tank I get the worst dps ever and they get basically smurfs, but their tank is eating crayons... legit 50/50 fixed. but it's out of my control sometimes... my bad 3 ppl died to the tracer while I was holding 3
can we also talk about how devs said they don't tank ppl's mmr for being the sole reason for a loss on a team? and they defo don't boost for a carry... so like... in a team game, MY MMR IS BASED OFF OF THE WHOLE TEAM? people who don't know what the word "peel" means?
Lmao this was talked about in the dev interview with Spilo, you say you want this until you realize it's probably YOU who's the issue and get hit the "you suck" adjustment.
There’s a phrase called “Save Face” or more appropriately “Public Face”.
You are aware enough to know what I am saying, right windreiter?
@WindReiter10 except in my case it's not. I have coaching, I play on a team and we scrim. I diff masters tanks. And yes my team is all the same rank.
Greed videos are the most based, and logical OW videos to date.
nobody understands what high rank tank players feel. baiting 6 cooldowns and baiting kites is so so BORING. Also, what pisses me off the most is brig. As winston you bail the whip, then jump on her and bubble but OH WOW , SHE HEALS HERSELF AND IT STACKS...and she already had stacks where I dove before the engage. how was I supposed to know? she was full hp... dumb low indicator character
I think the biggest thing i noticed about this video is that the game in itself has shifted from individual power to team power and if you consistently try to make it individual power most abilities in the game punish you for that mistake
It's a Sisyphean simulator.
As a support main, it does get boring & very telling, especially when you meet several T500 Mercy OTPs who just get lobotomized mid-match when they swap heroes.
It's insane how much value I get for doing the bare minimum because I picked said support & it's also why I've picked up Tracer/Venture
I Understand your point about Baptiste just jumping and pressing E to get out of danger
And this is what I hate the most on this game, characters that just press E and that's it, they are alive and you are dead because yes
Marvel > Overwatch
Youre intro describing the genji situation is exactly what i feel on tracer. You do everything perfectly and your play gets completely shut down by someone pressing 1 button.
People will say "o bait cooldowns first." Man fuck those people they are blind to the insane powercreep in this game. The fact that theres people who are okay with these abilities being in game is insane to me.
Playing OW last night… same few players over and over again, every match… everyone is on Rivals.
"Wait out suzu to dive"
They still have tp, wall climb, Ult, and an Ana sleep, anti, and nano.
I have to somehow coordinate a full team dive to maybe kill one of the supports.
2:22 Isn't support supposed to be reactive though? Maybe the 6v6 will help things a bit for what you're talking about.
As a support main...Kiriko is played a lot because of dive. She is good at getting out of tougher situations and as a solo player that is a freaking breath of fresh air. I get dived by two enemies three times in a row and then switch to kiriko and start to feel like I can finally play the bloody game. I mean..it goes both ways. Very hard to fix without turning the game into basic call of duty.
They killed any playmaking thing.
They took out the heroes weaknesses, added imortalities, brain damaged support heroes.
I can't even describe the new generation of players either.
The game died long time ago.
And I'm saying this as a launch day player.
i feel you. i miss ow1. it felt more authentic and genji was somewhat playable. even tho i’m hard stuck play/diamond low masters. if it wasn’t for the death animations and funny movements when characters die, i wouldn’t be playing ow2. these new characters are whacky in a bad way.
Hey I agree with everything you said in this video, you can have insane aim, mechanics, positioning, etc. and sometimes you'll get beat by a player just using a ability getting free value. Healing is too much, shields are annoying, abilities like Suzu and lifegrip sucks. Its way too much stuff that prevents bad players from being punished.
Sounds like you just want to turn your brain off and play a run n gun shooter like CoD or Fortnite
They’ve been given opportunities to fix these issues for several years, I dont intent to stick around anymore for how disrespected my hero was treaten.
Another banger vid and it even has the amount of time since i stopped playing it Dx
There are currently 2 things I absolutely love about Marvel Rivals:
1. No hard Counter-Picks: Every time I just wanted to play something like Ash and then get Hanzo/Widow as an enemy, I regretted even starting OW.
2. No full bullshit abilties: You are on a perfect flank? Well guess what, kiriko tps through 200 walls, and you are fucked.
I'm a Top 500 GM support and I'm completely the opposite of a healbot. But at least my other two roles are either high diamond or in masters.
I want this guy to have a debate with flats. Because he and another couple of content creators say 5v5 IMPROVES individual agency because of all the space there is to use now. I see both sides between this video and the general "pro 5v5'ers"
This is what low ranks dont get about widow. Yeh, its painfully easy to dive a widow and when you do so she dies because its a 1vs1...when you play against people who has a brain, 9 times out of 10 theres gonna be a japanese mary sue saving her ass, be grateful you all can play your discount tracer called Sombra without getting contested but the rest of us playing tracer or genji in anything higher than diamond actually have to use our brains
I'm just a casual who has never been good at this game, I enjoy zen/ana so I recently tried DPS and holy shit it is so much harder, people below masters just don't heal dps but you are still expected to take risks and duels with worse CDs. Actual question how tf do you play echo vs widow odva?
You be extremely good at the game and hope they are shit lol
I’m a support main and I suck sooo much at Kiri. I play Ana, but trying to kill anything with Kiriko’s weapon is so hard for me
i havnt had fun on Overwatch since they made the switch to Ow2, i tried to play and enjoy the game but legit would rather bash my head into a wall than play OW2, Marvel Rivals is my new best friend
Even though I am still having fun at the game, and I am gold roughly, I still hate immo's. I just hate it when you shatter their tank and try to charge it off the map to only see that stupid white glow around their tank and have your charge go right through it. I hate kiriko.
Finally. Someone who gets it.
Haha, the new patch has a Mercy with clear cleavage (which is bad), more buffs to some Support heroes for some reason and some other notes not worth(not all).
Not worth looking over.
Only characters i find bullshit in this game are Cassidy and widow rn, Cassidy doesn't need 275 health if he can two shot almost every squishy in the game and the roll gives him 50% damage reduction and reloads his gun, with a grenade that stops you from using mobility abilities and gives you 30% speed reduction, being one of the best hitscan dps before the fall off damage nerf. And Widow just because of her range, not even mad about her ability to insta kill somebody, but only her range which although it makes sense, since its a sniper, it is just not fun to play against.
I don't feel rly bothered by immortality abilities, it makes it harder to get huge plays but once you get it, it kinda feels more rewarding, at least for me.
I started playing in season 3 of ow2 and i still enjoy the game, but i mean, im only a diamond doomfist, still far away from top500 gameplay, which i hope one day reach it to see how things work there.
Good video 👍
fair argument... we should nerf genji
This is the same problem I have with marvel rivals. But I still enjoy playing both games because I’m just a casual player who does comp here and there. I feel like both games aren’t that good for competitive players. Marvel rivals currently is because it’s new so there’s a lot to learn, but I think long term, things will have to change.
As someone who plays wrecking ball...thos is pretty common even at like plat. People swap to sombra, reaper, mcree in a heartbeat if they even start to get rolled by ball. And the moment they go sombra thats it, thats my gaming experience gone even if they arent a good sombra, its not hard to look out for specifically the ball engaging and just focusing on them.
That’s why I only play mystery hero I got sick of people carrying with their main character.
lmao literally talking to someone earlier ab this even when I go on a 20 win streak on ball I legit just get tired of winning this game is so cooked
sorry small rant (again) i tend to like these. firstly like i said in my previous one. There is NO bigger sin in a multiplayer game for a character than to be BORING.
Secondly you mentioned the winrates. i 100% agree with you that they legit dont matter that much. Main reason for this is the fact that lets say we have a hero like genji. (its been years since i last played so might be a bad example) who is very weak. NOBODY is picking this character outside of the best genji onetricks. and then you wonder why is his winrate at 52% or something. because NOBODY PLAYS THE CHARACTER EXCEPT THE PEOPLE THAT ONETRICK HIM. Same thing when brig was released. You would see high level tracer players like Kabaji for example have issues hard carrying games in like gold/plat. Lets take as an example a 4800 genji onetrick. Lets say he kept one tricking genji into the worst anti genji shit in the game, but they got a new account when brig was released for example. They would climb to lets arbitrarily say 3700 (yes ofcource these numbers dont work out. im just trying to give an example). The player might have 55% winrate after a few 100 matches. So the winrate has absolutely no meaning because that player is LIGHTYEARS ahead of everybody else at 3800. But cant win games because their character is completely fucking useless into what ever majority of the players is playing... ofcource you wont see full meta at 3700 or 3800 but i hope you get my point.
Sorry bad example. essentially bad characters being hard carried by their players instead of the otherway around. and if you put a player of that skill level on any other character they would instantly climb a lot.
edit oh right forgot to add. i think there is still one or 2 characters that can ignore the reactive play... that mainly being widow since one shot cant just delete somebody faster they can react.
They are scared of the idea to give more relevance to dps role or nerf supports and tanks well, 6v6 needs to be real to make a good balance
But what really makes the game soo boring is the one shot experience, widowmaker is a problem, not the main one, but a huge one
*Overwatch hasn’t been fun since release of OW(1)
- A TF2 Player
@@rorykeefe8954 Remember DVA 2016? That's ecstasy
A TF2 player that hate overwatch ? original
Luckily!! Marvel Rivals exists! :3
Guys look, it’s my wife
I genuinely refuse to play this game until they fix it (which is never LOL) due to the supports being way too powerful and half the dps roster being terrible. I never liked Hanzo, but the fact that he gets practically DELETED (same with Genji) from the game but Kiriko and Widow get 0 changes is absolutely bonkers to me. It genuinely feels frustrating that half of my games genuinely feel unwinnable unless I go Reaper to help my team melt the raid boss of a tank that is on the enemy team and flank the Supports and MAYBE pick them off (if they don't press their free tp and god mode cds) or go the snoozefest that is Widow and one shot everything because if I don't, we 0 picks and we just sit at the choke pressing keys until the timer runs out. Let's not even talk about the matchmaker. I'm not the greatest player to have ever graced OW2 or anything but, I'm constantly looking at my mistakes and bad habits and because of this, I placed D4 this season (and I will admit, I did it one tricking Reaper because of what I said earlier in this comment) which motivated me to continue grinding for Masters and eventually GM. After my placements however, I kept getting Silver and even Top 500 players in my DIAMOND games constantly which made me drop down to PLAT 4 where I'm STILL losing no matter what I do because for some reason I STILL keep getting matched with Silver players and Masters-GM players in Plat. I'll just stick with Marvel Rivals until the 6v6 playtest comes out lol
I know moira is not as playable and not as much of a problem at high ranks, but I'm sick of having to play perfect as genji against her, she's gotten like 4 buffs in a row, she has her fade that makes her immortal for a second,she doesn't have to aim,she heals herself idk.
(I'm diamond 5 so i'm not that bad idk)
I hate Moira
Keep up the good vids brother
God i hope denial abilities never come to Marvel rivals
have you played marvel rivals ? It's full of it
how did you know I was eating lunch lol. And no I made it.
Just switch to Marvel Rivals
That game is even worse
You can kill things and actually have fun, it isn't worse. It has a lot of problems yes but even with those it's better @jordanbighook4866
it's just not a competitive game unfortunately
That game is even worse, it feels terribly optimized (like every modern game) the game has more immortality and when players get decent it's gonna be so fuckin unfun
Bro shut up stick to overwatch2 play the dogshit game just play rivals it’s so much better your gonna keep complaining don’t call rivals shit it’s gonna make overwatch a better game if there’s competition your the one that’s killing overwatch for not switching games and having better competition it will help overwatch get better
no it’s obnoxious FACING MAUGA/ORISA MERCY IN EVERY QUICK-PLAY GAME(im still unlocking comp ok) and thats the game a stone wall
again blizz should watch this
I dont think overwatch's issues start here. I dont even think this is close. This is certainly a result of other issues. But its like complaining about a smell in your house when your dog has been taking dumps and vomiting everywhere for weeks. Like yeah the house smells bro.
"im not allowed to play the hero i want to play because someone else playing the video game picked a different video game hero"
i mean like
cass > venture
ana > hog, mauga
mauga > rein, hog
ball > widow
pharah, echo > junkrat
sombra > doom, ball
bro has just discovered counters
if "you are good enough", you can always win despite it
if you arent, then swap, or suffer the consequences, its literally your choice, you are cucking yourself of your own free will, every time you got cucked and died, theres an H button right there, and if its not fun, theres also a marvel rivals button or a fortnite button
also, yeah, kiris and baps kits are overloaded, but dont bunch my boy weaver in the same category, first off, he can neither use his get out of jail free card on himself, nor on a group of targets, unlike the other two, and secondly, at least he isnt essentially a third dps on top of having all that utility unlike the other two, you can feel cheated when you get 1v1ed by a kiri or a bap all you want but anyone complaining about losing a 1v1 to a lw is straight delusional, the only things in the game that have got less dueling power is baby dva and a mercy without valk