You spoke a lot about the mother, but I think it's important to talk about the father's involvement too. While there are many great fathers out there, the traditional view that mothers are the main childcarers still persists, and fathers are often allowed to be absent from interacting with their children. Which leads to all the blames be put on the mothers when something goes wrong, when both parents should be responsible for their kids (unless in cases of where the other parent cannot be involved, such as not having custody). It's often too easy for an absent parent to say that they are not responsible when bad things happen and to shift the blame on the other party, but if they were really against putting their children's information online, they should have done something before. Fathers can also benefit from child exploitation even if the mother is the face of the operation (ex: mom blogs, reality TV, vlogs, etc.).
Oops my comment got deleted but I want to say that I should have expanded on that in my last part on gender roles and why it’s always women who lead those sort of movements but your comment does it v well!
Even if we don't talk about creeps, showing your baby and his every moves to the entire world is a pure violation of his privacy. I wouldn't have wanted my childhood to be shown to complete strangers on the internet. damn thank you all for the likes
This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
Right!! I really don't get those parents---your kid can't currently consent because they probably can't even talk, and if they can, they probably don't understand the consequences of being all around the net (because clearly you skipped that lesson yourself). Wait till they're 12 and see if they still like it. Ans if they do, congrats! You just created a monster lol, it's a lose-lose situation
@@Ty-mu7gl A lot of preteens who then consent to their lives being exploited online feel like they don’t really have a choice. They know their parents use their lives to make content to provide for the family. It’s a huge burden to put on a child, no kid should have feel they need to support their family financially.
@@Ty-mu7glomg. I just thought about how I hate the pictures of me as a preteen, and my awkward phase. I don't want anyone seeing those pictures. It would be kind of awful if it was online and I couldn't take it down for the world to see.
Something I also wanna bring up is “autism moms” posting videos of their children during meltdowns, something which is extremely overwhelming and hard to deal with. I myself am autistic and know first hand how hard meltdowns are. But the amount of times I’ve seen tiktoks of moms recording their kids meltdowns instead of being there to help their child is insane
I don’t have autism but I can understand how humiliating that can be for children. I know a lot of those parents like to say it’s “informative” but it really looks like you’re making your child look like a spectacle in order to gain sympathy from ableist ppl .
@@jenniie_333 yeah, I'm autistic and I can confirm. Already posting videos and pictures of children online can be dangerous, but even posting a video of a child during a meltdown is terribile. Not only is it horribly embarrassing and humiliating, but it's even more dangerous. Thank God my mom isn't like that
ive literally seen that be used as a threat against children - to not "embarrass" the parent in public by having a meltdown, or theyll be filmed and posted online so their whole school can see. its horrific
In on side of my family there is only one small child, so they're our little baby and my family members keep posting the child's pictures on their open Instagram profiles, no matter how much I ask them not to. It truly worries me :/
My child isn't getting their own device/social media until at least 13 and it will be monitored until 16-18. I did so much crap online when I was a younger teen that I really shouldn't have. 💀
I feel like the disappearance of kids exclusive game sites (with no chat rooms) and the increase of the presence of children on Instagram and the like, pushing them into more adult appearances (think 12 year olds learning to do a full face of makeup) has been a huge step back on a) kids safety online and b) allowing kids to be kids
Yeah I agree. I was born in the early 2000's and grew up before the boom of kids on social media, when I was on the internet as a kid I was on websites like Club Penguin (rip) and CoolMathsGames, not Instagram. I'm a young adult now and social media still messes with me, from the obvious dangers of creeps and gross people to just self esteem. Can't imagine how messed up I would be if I was witnessing these things when I was pre-teen.
@@liyre4189 Even back then, chat rooms were a big thing. I remember even the news were covering the dangers of chat rooms because you had adult strangers pretending to be underage with the intent of meeting up with a minor. Also I remember when Facebook started to get popular around 2010-ish I was probably like around 10 or 11 and all my classmates were getting a Facebook account since it was just so easy to fake your real age. But yes, now it's gotten way worse, I see toddlers who already have their own cell phone and 5-6 year olds with full access to Internet, and free access to social media. Back then I think it would have been considered madness.
UGH my comments keeps getting automatically deleted!! I need to address the language that is used -- or not used -- surrounding this issue. An adult man doesn't "have s*x with" a 6 year old girl, he r***s her. That is a really important distinction because connotation of words have power and this is a powerful subject. I understand you might have said that for monetization/getting banned purposes but it's something I see really commonly in these types discussions or reports. We are responsible for making this disgusting subject FEEL gross and uncomfortable with the language we use to describe it.
tip for avoiding auto comment deletion: spell the words wrong but phonetically correct. This doesnt always work but usually does. For example: Raype, abyuse, sx, pdf file. something else that helps is replacing lower case L with upper case i. So if I want to say the word assauIt I actually wrote it as assauit, with an upper case i instead of a a lower case L
@@bouclechocolat no but you have to admit there has been a spike (at least in publicity) recently. kids at pride parades being exposed to fetish/sex stuff is normalizing pedophilia. same with the porn books in schools. it's disgusting and it's grooming
@@janetsnakehole4255 hoo boy institutional - let me introduce you to something called the church. If you want to talk about modern day, teenage girls get groomed by and marry adult men in church camps, and to this day the catholic church defends known predators. Not to mention there was a time when girls were married as early as fourteen. The only thing new is that we have mass media to tell you which groups to blame for being "more" predatorial while others remain unmentioned.
The infantilisation of women I feel adds to this problem, have you noticed a lot of beauty standards are to make women very child-like? Something sinister is going on…
Even down to how so many men refer to grown adult women as 'girls'. Not only is it infantilising adults, it's patronising. I would never call a grown adult man a 'boy' it's so weird. I wish people would call women WOMEN. You're right though, it happens all the time. And sadly many women play into it as well.
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517 a lot of men call a man boy when they dont see them as equal. Or when they behavior warrants thats description. Im guessing it could be similar with girl and woman
@@busch_ii7450 Sometimes it's a form of endearment when I call my friend "my boy". I'm not saying there can't be inherent problem with the language we choose, but as a guy who calls his friends his "boys" sometimes, this seems a little far fetched.
It's so disturbing how prevalent child predators are. I didn't realise until I was 20 and in therapy that my biological father s*xually abused me as a child. Even when my family left him, he would send me letters. Not my mum, not my sister. Just me. Knowing what I know now, it's honestly terrifying realising that my own father had a bizarre obsession with me. I really wish my teachers had taken me seriously when I told them he was abusive. For every kid that gets abused, there's at least 20 grown adults that failed them. We have to do better.
I remember my parents got in an argument with a photographer they hired for my first communion. He was selling my photo prints to men and my parents found out because he was almost proud of it, under the guise that he is such a great photographer and I looked like an Angel. It makes me sick just thinking about it.
that is true but then that falls on the parents to protect their children. Know their friends, and communicate with your kids so they won't be afraid to share anything with you. The idea that your kids won't have access to social media is naive. Even if you have no internet in your home ( which is unlikely), your cellphone or your friend's cellphones are access points for posting on social media
This is what everyone forgets. Sexual abuse is more likely to happen from someone u know and trust. Especially family members since we are programmed since birth to blindly trust our family no matter what
@@Swigi_E this is not the point of the video. The topic is on online children exposition and the risks, the logics behind the phenomena.. she never said that shutting down social media will magically protect kids from any form of violence. Ofc not, unfortunately but it's limiting the risk a little bit and it's worth to consider regarding the nature of danger we're talking about
Predators using the language of victims is a very real and common issue, and it's an interesting point you bring up. Abusers do it all the time to manipulate and/or slander their victims - and to this day, p/dophiles continue to do it to try and force their way into the LGBTQ community. Informed activists are aware of this, but the masses, and especially teenagers, might not be. They can and will make it harder for everybody to figure out who's the actual victim.
Yup. And the predators attempts to use queer liberatory language is complicated by the fact that queerphobic people have a tendency to specifically accuse queer people of child exploitation. It means that queer people tend to be primed to distrust language talking about child exploitation within queer spaces. The sort of language you need to call this out can sound very similar to queerphobic dogwhistles to a lot of people. When I saw the title of this video for example, I was unsure whether it was going to be about what it wound up being about, or whether it was just going to be blatant transphobia. It felt like a 50/50 toss-up.
Holy hell this is so scary. I'm 8 months pregnant and have been thinking a lot about web presence of children online so this is very informative. Thank you for a great video!
As a student teacher I have some advice based on the research I did in order to teach about internet safety to 10 year olds. First thing is that kids under 1 year old SHOULD NOT have access to devices like TV, iPads, phones, etc. It seriously damages their social growth. Kids under 5 tend to supplement social stimulation with devices, and that means that they aren't getting the things they need. Screens are incredibly addictive and if I could choose I would say that children under seven years of age shouldn't have access to any devices unless a guardian is actively helping them use it and watching the things they're doing. I wish you luck with your pregnancy, you're going to do great!
@@bettievw that makes so much sense, developmentally speaking. Do you happen to have any sources you’d recommend for learning more about this? I’m thinking about having children soon and I really want to be as informed as possible to give them the best chance at a healthy, happy and fulfilling life!
@@bettievw I’ve seen so many mothers just give their children phones or iPads just to shut them up, especially on public transit. Try to take the phone away? Kid cries. It teaches them from an early age that if they cry and complain they’ll get what they want.
This is terrifying. I'm working on making my Psychology M.A. thesis about how family vlogs affect the children who are in said vlogs and I'm pretty far along. so I was already aware of this phenomenon but this video went even more in depth about just HOW bad it is. Earlier I thought that some vloggers or other content creators had some plausible deniability about what *type* of people were watching *what*, but now I'm not sure anymore :/
@@11Hand1e11 the method is qualitative video analysis of videos, organizing then further analyzing it through a psychological and developmental lense and how it can affect the kids long term. Since getting any children to be interviewed would require you to ask their parent or guardian (Aka - the person already making money off of them) it is unlikely we will be getting any interviews with kids in family vlogs and their experience any time soon until a critical mass of them come of age.
Never underestimate the power of denial. I've seen it pushed to it's extremes before. No matter how you prove to these family vloggers that their content feeds mostly pedos, their need to think of themselves as good parents may blind them to EVERYTHING.
I remember hearing about a family vlogger whose like 9 month baby was posted on a porn site. Someone nice found it and tried to inform the mom, and she was basically like 🤷♀️ oh well. Absolutely insane. They know what they're doing
The censorship in this very thread is strong. I posted a reply that more or less acknowledges the problem. It still got deleted. No swear words, threats, or code words. Just an opinion youtube didn't like.
@jshowa o I think OP had a good point. That its sad that youtube censors these discussions. I really dislike when someone can't say SA but has to say "the R word" etc. It does impact the discussion and words ARE important. I think its good to use the words that hold weight in serious topics. Thats just my opinion as someone who was affected by the thing those words describe.
@jshowa o I absolutely disagree. Which is okay, you are a seperate person from me. I believe that treating the word like its naughty "the r word" simply for optics of the company (youtube in this case) is not done to advocate for survivors/affected people, nor does it benefit those speaking about r*pe in an educated discussion or emotional expression on the topic. Context MATTERS. If someone uses a word to be derogatory or inflammatory or shitty then YEAH. Consequences should exist. We don't need to delete the word from appropriate discussions. Even S*xual Assault, a word NOT used in call of duty lobbies, isn't allowed in content discussing the crime. Censorship when people are left to say "unalive" or use strange symbols in certain words it does nothing to help anyone. You will often see the creator in videos who looks visibly frustrated with censoring a very serious topic. If we are here to talk about the affects of r*pe then i don't want someone treating my experience like a dirty word in a classroom. You have your opinion, I have mine. To have the word obfuscated only serves to distance from the reality of the situation. It personally makes me uncomfortable & I do not agree with it.
@jshowa o I actually think your hypothetical is a good example to prove my point. That is a slur. P*dophile is not a slur, it is the correct term. R*pe is not a slur against anyone, nor is s*xual assault a slur. A slur is not useful to better describe a black person. It is not a better word to describe a slave in 1700 America. Your comparison is not a 1:1. Using a slur in a documentary (not good or needed) is hardly the same as using the actual medical word for someone who targets children in this context. Nor is it the same as using s*xual assault to describe a real crime. A slur does not need to be approved for us to use the word p*dophile. //// I do think I missed an earlier point you had, that "normalizing" the use of the word p*dophile will make it more common for people to sling it around as an accusation. I do not think that is at all true though. I think it spreads from being used as a weapon to attack people you don't like. That is slander / defamation etc and I agree we should NOT normalize calling people p*dophiles when they disagree with someone; a trend I do agree is growing. I dont think that is at all connected to adult discussion in good faith, but when used to radicalize a group to attack/hate someone (manipulation). Hopefully I did not misinterpret you though! Censorship needs to be nuanced & not a blanket policy imo
@jshowa o that is a... terrible downplaying of a slur. And again... Words matter. A slur is hate speech and categorically different than "not a nice word". P*dophile is on league with sociopath perhaps. A layman's word used to describe an actual mental condition. It's more legitimate than calling someone a sociopath even (since the actual disorder is AsPD). And no the "n word" was derived from black in Latin not spanish. You are mixing two different words. P*dophile is not a slur and your reply comparing it to slurs really shows a disingenuous portrayal of language.
My earliest memory is my father dying when I was 2. My second earliest memory was being molested by my step father when I was 5. They say that humans are the apex predator, but really the apex predators are narcissists, sociopaths and peddies.
@belén 🌙 I'm only just getting over this massive uphill struggle that my life has been. I've made it, but I destroyed my body in the process. Maybe I'm young enough I'll eventually be able to get out of bed for more than 5 hours at a time without needing to take a nap.
Same here. It really weirded me out whenever it happened to me because my body was going through a severely uncute/awkward phase at the time and i just couldn't understand why adults wanted to give me that kind of attention.
Girls as a thin baby faced 27 year old I pray you grow into your looks and body. Looking like a 12 year old all the time because I have no ass, hips or boobs makes me a perfect magent for Pedos all the fucking time and although I prefer to deal with the sickos rather than them going up to young girls it's exhausting to deal with everyday...
As a Brit, it's very weird to think how accepted pdf files were in the 70s and 80s. The commonality of schoolgirl fetishes, and of course the lack of any action taken against Jimmy Saville.
It's very much baked into our society - we had pds as teachers in my school 20 years ago, all kinds of scandals have come out from the past at football academies and pretty much everywhere, it comes from the top down. Just look at the royal family.
They gave children for adoptions to pedophiles in Germany in the 60s or 70s I think under the approval of a psychologist who claimed that children aren't harmed by sexual relationships with adults.
@@soyojoo It's a way of saying the p word without getting into trouble. Like I'm not sure that Alice's video could get a strike or demonetised because of a comment but I'm playing it safe.
This just makes me feel crazy, that people say things such as "children´s s#xual liberation" as a justification to literal r#pe. True freedom respects the freedom of others, there´s nothing more misogynistic than this entitlement to a child´s body and the audacity to groom them into thinking they want that. But maybe the most shockying thing to me It´s the insane narrative that they try to push to called those of us that try to protect children somehow old fashioned and closed minded.
Why do grown men always need to overly express their feelings over young undeveloped girls and ofcourse boys, it’s so gross. I once had a laptop when I was 11 growing up with the upcoming of the internet (15 years ago) and the still unknowns hazards it had. The only attention I used to get was from men lurking on kids online gaming platforms not even at night but during the day. Most of them being over 30, 40, 50 sometimes even grandpas. I can never look at men the same anymore after what i witnessed at a young age after what comments I got from men from all classes while I was still a kid. One even asked my address so they could send me a transportation card so I could visit him and to keep it a secret. I later found out he was living in a squat building with a lot of drug addicts and found out he babysit a young girl of some friend of his.. I never want to know the possibilities of what happened there
maybe because humans are disgusting and men and women have the capacity for extreme cruelty under the right circumstances? maybe change YOUR thought process and how you look at the world instead of expecting everyone to change for you? hey im gonna walk down this dark alley because men should KNOW not to raype/kill! be smart. don't victimize yourself. and you will be successful in lif.
There is a saying in Turkey “Speak the truth and you will be exiled from all nine villages” . It is scary how the voice of righteousness gets buried under so quickly with all this media platforms. We need more people who can eloquently discuss these difficult subjects like you, cheers.
This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
@@rba4377 can you share your source for that data? I’m a survivor and am under the impression that there is no connection between pornography consumption and abuse of minors,
@@thefirstface4575 I didnt say there was a link. I said that numbers are shifting and according to specialists it seems like not only biologically born pedos consume this content anymore. Source IS the podcast suggested, is on youtube or sam harries website making sense.
The biggest mouth dropper is the fact that child exploitation and human trafficking are economic fuel for some of the poorest countries on the planet. They need men to travel to their countries with the intent to seek out men, women, and sadly, children - for pleasure - because the money these men have to spend will be used to better the economy in some way (even if it is just to feed a family). There is a documentary (I don't remember the name) from a country in Southwestern Asia that featured several on-the-street interviews from actual child pros*itues - all boys - and almost all of them were forced to sell themselves when they were very young to feed their families. Families sell their youngest toddlers to grown men for the most money just so they can buy a bag of rice to feed everyone...
I had to replay the bit around 5:38 multippe times. Simone de Beauvoir... I was thrown so left field. I took a philosophy 101 class in 2020. My professor covered a lot of de Beauvoir's feminist writings. He quite likes her from what I could tell. We went over quite a bit of her stuff, actually. I guess my bias shows? A woman is the last one I suspect to endorse "peddys". It's never too late to relearn the actual truth behind your preconceived notions. Thanks for bringing it up. That really rocked my world. Especially coming from a university and well esteemed professor in my big city...
I was SAed starting as a toddler until I was a young child. I had no agency, gave no consent. Now I just have issues around multiple aspects of sex and sensuality. F anyone who thinks that should be allowed and is okay. Thanks for the video! It is good to know some of the history around these topics in France.
I remember my mother posting a photo of me to her Facebook after I finished a play (was still in costume) and a how a male family friend ended up commenting about how nice my body was at my age. I was like 12 - 13.
We live in a sick world. Its shocking to see that archive footage of those guys so brazenly campaigning for something so obviously evil and gross. Have you any plans for a podcast? I really enjoy your commentary & ideas. Always so well researched and eloquently put.
I cannot imagine ANY of these men talking about a child "freely exploring their sexuality" meaning anything other than- I want to sexually exploit young girls. Not an open conversation about how the human body is nothing to be ashamed for, that we should know and practice consent from a young age and that exploring your own body is ok. Or even a conversation about sexuality between young peers (with consent and safe practices on both ends). All I hear is I want young girls to be open to my exploits and the society to be okay with this.
This was hard to watch...you perfectly summarized the situation. It is scary to be a mom in this era. I have struggled to stop myself from posting my kids photos, because everyone around me, my fellow moms ask for it, and it feels good to share my cute babies pics. But this video has totally changed my mind. NEVER am i going to post another pic again, and deleting probably the five or so pics i have.
I don’t know how to say this but my parents love to share photos of their grandkids on fb, insta, and yes tiktoks. As they claimed that babies/toddlers aren’t “that vulnerable” and their favorite phrase which is “We’re just sharing cute baby pictures, what’s the problem with that?! We’re not celebrities” are so concerning in all honesty. I wish older generations understand how this can be an issue related to CP and creeps out there. It might be because I’m getting paranoid that people posted my pictures without consent but I realized these children most of the times are made to believe that their parents give consent rather then they themselves do so. Idk maybe there are circumstances when children willingly participate (?) but that goes with external influences…
Ik. I still think older generations don't understand the phrase "what is posted on the internet, stays on the internet" and how beyond things can go, even without them knowing. Recently we had a family friend posting a picture of their baby naked on facebook, just like any parent have that cringy nakey pic of their kids. They didn't saw any malice, of course, but most of my relatives tried to explain how those pictures may be shared to people with bad intent. It was a field day for my relatives, but most people just can't understand how internet is.
See, on the one hand it's true that the older generations havent got a clue what's happening online (my parents sure dont), but on the other, they are right that it's just "innocent baby photos". To me, this paranoia about the weirdos out there only serves to rob normal folk of the normal enjoyments of life we should be able to enjoy. It's like deciding to not have any lunch money, and just miss lunch because the bullies might beat you up and take it. No. Up with this, I will not put. I'm not willing to retreat ever further behind more layers of walls out of fear of the barbarians beyond.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Oh sure... go private... friends/family/etc access only. Tbh why someone would parade their kids on an open/public profile in the first place is beyond me. But I'm still not down with acting based on fear that there may be nonces lurking around, ready to think impure thoughts at the mere sight of a childs image. They're the problem, not the people innocently sharing pictures with their social circles as a simple display of their happiness.
Even back in the late 2000’s and 2010’s I had vacation pictures stolen from my mom’s Facebook and posted on “the jailbait gallery.” Before it was taken down. She just wanted to share memories with our family in England and Australia.
The intentions of our mums may be well, but I am totally against my mom posting pictures of me or my siblings. There’s no need for that in the first place. If a relative wants to see us they can either visit or my mom can send them a picture just for them. The whole world doesn’t need to see.
I made a search for that in TH-cam right now... Omfg... There are videos out there! And not about the closing that is what I wanted to know about cause I thought would be nice to see justice served, no. Disgusting thumbnails of minors was what I was presented with! I'm freaking shocked and hope I had never searched for it. I thought TH-cam was kind of a safe space to some stent, specially after the controversies they faced, and that's why it's the only social media that I still use, but now... idk what to think... I was too disgusted to report them, and I really don't have the mental strength to even touch one of those videos to do so. I just had to instantly cancel it and return here, shocked, to advice others that may read this... FREAKING HOW, TH-cam?!? HOW?!? Hope I have never learned that Jailwhatever existed, and I'm completely shocked that with the resources this site has, such trend still exists here. *Please, don't make my mistake unless that you can stomach to report them.* I certainly can't stomach things like this, and I remember when during the USA elections a bunch of people posted in Twitter fake news about some politicians, or whoever, having pictures of minors. I reported during an entire day, with freaking lots of illegal pictures posted for all to watch, and I mean LOTS of them, that resulted in a lot of confirmed bans, *but* I literally had a one year mental meltdown of consequences, that I wish to no one. I did my part reporting, but dealing with the consequences of watching such shocking content was an entirely different matter. I'm still scared to go to Twitter even with direct links to single tweets that I know will not harm me, but even though I am. You have been advised. If you *really* can, report them. Don't test your strength though. We are weaker than what we think we're. I discovered the hard way.
I wish I could help but I am feeling sick after she showed that example of the most viewed parts of some videos. I'd like to help but I can't even watch this, so imagine what you just described... Just know that I don't think it's your job to report such videos, and this points to issues in the moderation system, some things should just be automated (if we rely just on individual flagging, that sort of content will never get reported - mentally healthy people don't look it up or know that it is out there). Maybe we could send emails about this! I think I will try. Stay strong and remember the messed up people are and always will be a minority, the Internet is a place where they can gather and look like they are more because they are spread out worldwide.
As a survivor of the abuse of pedos...i can honestly say, for ME, what hurt me most is that my mom knew and saw and did nothing. I see a similarity to the mom-ran Instagrams with young children. They know...and they dont care.
Alice I just wanted to comment on how brilliant you are at communication and pitching your content. You balance academic discourse and historical context for the average viewer. You make viewers feel like they are involved in intellectual debate because you open it up in a way that’s accessible to everyone. Academic spheres maintain power by gate keeping knowledge through complicated language but you bring it to the table for everyone. I can see a lot of planning and effort goes in to do this. Merci beaucoup! 😃
Thank you SO MUCH for mentioning the pastel Q-anon phenomenon. I cannot believe the ease at which crystal-people and MLM-moms and facebook-boomers are falling into the Q-anon trap. I can find pure Q-anon content on IG through just one hashtag aimed at the groups I mentioned above. The obsession with saving the children while advertising their own online really makes me wonder if there's some sort of projection at play.
I had no idea there were people on television trying to use progressive talking points to hide their agendas and try and push for younger consent ages. In the UK here it’s 16 which means a lot of over 18 year-olds tend to think it’s alright to enter “a relationship” with them, fully ignoring that the legal adult age is still 18. That’s older than the ages you were talking about, but it’s still disturbing to me. So the idea that adults were even trying to give uh… adult agency to children so they could have a free pass to coerce children and opposition would be chalked up to differences in personal opinion is incredibly frightening.
It was a big,serious thing in the late 1960s. Big name intellectuals were heading the cause. Popular literature both lowbrow and highbrow pushed the agenda. If you couldn't have secks with the one you loved ( because your old,bigoted,mean parents wouldn't let you) you'd end up dying,because ITS THAT IMPORTANT. And also of course as poet Philip Larkin said,sexual intercourse was invented in 1963 so your 200 year old parents never knew about it,so how could they judge). LOL. LOL.
Absolutely. I was groomed by a man of 21 when I was 15. He said he would wait til I was 16 to 'date me' but it was obvious that he had an inclination for younger girls (at least now I realise this!). I terminated the friendship but met him by chance later on when I was 17 on holiday on the beach. He turned to me and said "You still have the wonderful body you had at 15", it completely freaked me out and to this day I realise that I was glad I went with my gut instinct and steered well clear of him.
Honestly, I'd say that the age of consent should be INCREASED. 18 is the absolute bare minimum it should be. But a few years older is more ideal imo, maybe 20 or 21.
@@eevee727 my class had a pse class a couple of months ago where we learnt that 1/3 of Scottish teenagers had sex before the age of 16..... it was frightening to say the least
@@freyjalily7851 That’s super scary. That’s the danger of lower ages of consent, these kids are only just developing their sexualities and don’t have the capacity to fully understand what it means for them. Idk what the age of consent is in Scotland but that’s why I find it disturbing that 16 is such a common age of consent. Like half of my friends (including myself) were groomed at 16 or younger, it’s too young.
yes! This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
There are laws coming out where kids can sue their parents when the kids grow up for what their parents posted online of them. We need to expand those laws to protect children from being exploited.
A relationship between a child and an adult will always be BEYOND wrong. That child will always do what an adult says. They will always listen to them. Never say no. Never give consent. How could ANYONE see that as even close to being ok??
I think this is a very prescient topic right now, especially considering the "gay and trans grooming" narrative on the Right in the U.S. (A church in my neighborhood in NYC has a sign promoting their summer camp "free from gay groomers.") I think that at the core of the "grooming" narrative is how to introduce discussions of sex to children appropriately. There's a wonderful book called Sexual Citizens that is unequivocal about how horrible sexual abuse is, but also shows how introducing children to sex education from a young age can be done sensitively. You don't teach children how to drive. You teach them first how to cross the street, look out for cars, ride a bicycle, and then when they are old enough, how to drive a car and use the roads safely. They use this as a metaphor for how to introduce sex education to children by first introducing concepts of bodily autonomy when kids are young. (i.e. Not forcing kids to hug/kiss others; teaching kids to respect other's boundaries) Then work your way up to talking about safe sex when they are teenagers. I think that because we hypersexualize and stigmatize queer and trans people, it's hard for people to see that you can talk about queer and trans people to kids the same way you talk to them about straight and cis people. (i.e. a gay couple having a chaste kiss or saying "I love you" in an animated film just like a straight couple would). As someone who grew up around a lot of queer adults, I never, ever felt sexualized or violated by their presence in my life. I did, however, feel violated by the way adult men specifically would touch me "innocently" or expect gestures of affection. I did feel violated by the way that I was sexualized from the age of 10 by wearing my school uniform in public, and I had friends who felt violated by the physical punishments their parents would inflict upon them (Talia Lavin has a great article about corporal punishment on her substack). Exposure to LGBTQ+ people is not grooming, but the cultural norms around children's body autonomy are. These issues are difficult to discuss, but I think you did a great job tackling the nuances. These are cultural and systematic problems that allow individual actors to perpetuate abuse and communities to ignore it. It's just a shame that, at least here, these issues are being scapegoated and projected onto queer communities rather than addressing the real cultural norms which allow abuse to persist.
Your last sentence is definitely the heart. The grooming thing is just another stupid right wing scare tactic. Another way to be distracted from the real issues. How do they explain gay people that come out of super religious environments? The only thing "gay grooming" causes is less sexist and more tolerant people.
@@none11flop9 lol go into any conservative comment section about any lgbtq post or even any education post and you’ll se the are in fact calling teachers and any person with positive lgbtq views groomers
@@none11flop9 if you believe that there are straight kids being "groomed" into being gay then surely there are gay kids being "groomed" into being straight (this happens quite often actually, as a lot of parents dont want their children or dont expect their children to be gay and then double down in trying to convince their children that they are straight). Where is the energy for this kind of "grooming"?
@@juanitacanon3120 it is still unbelievable how you are imagining my positions on a subject by a basic misunderstanding on reading comprehension. read my first reply again, what you wrote is absolutely not contradicting anything I did.
im very interested to see how children who grew up under the spotlight of the internet grow up to be like. it's something completely new. social media is really something. some "people" make me sick.. it's disgusting to share a planet with them.
It scares me to see that people are still thinking that children can consent Those psychos from the P.E.I are absolutely insane Very good video by the way Love from France!
You talk about the agency/freedom of men and them not wanting to lose that but I think "control" would be better fitting. Abusive men love having control over other people (women as well but statistically it's much less common) as it makes them feel 'like a man'. Whatever that is supposed to mean 🙄 Also there's absolutely no way my 15 year old self had any idea what she really wanted and needed, so these peds are deluding themselves if they think a child can truly consent to be with their crusty ass.
They're not deluding themselves, they're deluding others. They know exactly what it means and it is exactly what attracts them -- helplessness and the ability to control.
@@nanajiloh You hit the nail in the head. That's why they've been pushing to have themselves framed as a sexual orientation. You have to be careful not to fall into the language trap. The minute you group pdf files with sexual orientation they gain a win. I can't believe today it has to be explained why being against a person who wants to ... a child is not discrimination or the next civil rights movement.
@Healing Misogynist WTFFF your freedom should always stop where the freedom of the other begins. Why would you need control over other people. That's not a need not a cause of real suffering.
@Healing Misogynist How about you help yourself and deal with your own responsibilities like a responsoble adult and make excuses you're man not a boy. Grow up
Thanks for talking about this, it's not something which is pleasant to do in any way but it's really important that light is being shed on this. It makes me uncomfortable seeing kids on social media posts at all, they can't consent and the predatory behavior of people who actively seek out this have their lives made easier by this lack of boundaries
Not so long ago I saw a person who was very much pro normalising adult-child relationships, citing papers from the 80's and saying how it benefits the child, it was so f**ked up, and now I see exactly where it came from, it's crazy
Was the author a certain Polan Romansky, a researcher of degenerate sexual mores? I think he had something to do with satanism too, that weirdo (if we're talking about the same guy).
These creeps are even attempting to normalise the attitude of pedophiles and pedophilia by being P0l-it-c@ll-y c0RRecT by calling them maps (minor attracted person). If anyone says they are a map call them out for what they are either a Pedophile or a hebephile because their attempts to normalise and hide behind such word is unfortunately becoming prevelant now. (Sorry for the weird written way of such certain word at the top youtube won't let me type up the word normally as they will take down this comment.)
This is such a well-researched, written and communicated video. It was... fascinating? in a horrific way? to hear about p*dophilia in France and how disgustingly normalised it was, as it's something I never knew about it. Subscribed.
Really difficult topic to talk about (or to listen to on my part), but your choice of topics and your angles are always so engaging. Thank you for the wonderful quality content
I am french like and I believe that our country has had a problem with this issue for while. It is starting to get better ....but still !! You can still get more years of prison for dealing drugs than doing what you are mentioning. It is sickening.
it’s a problem in every country, not just France unfortunately… I’m from the us and I’ve been seeing videos of young girls recording themselves in public, and being approached by older men… ugh
Very courageous woman speaking facts and truths. I wanted to know why youtube is allowing thier platform to promote this issues. Thank you for your information and guidance on this matter. Protect this woman at all costs!
I used to watch family vlogs ALL THE TIME. It never occurred to me about the creeps. Until the accusations about Benji’s brother came out. I am surprised they are still vlogging, but a part of me would miss them. I don’t have children but a lot of nieces and nephews. I don’t post them on social media at all.
yes! This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
Could you explain to me who's Benji? I'm from Argentina and I don't know who any of these vloggers are and I'd want to look up that case you mentioned. Thank you!
@@Martha_My_Dear benji is the husband of Judy of itsjudyslife and the father to their 5 kids. A few years back his brother Julian was accused by their cousin of SA, his wife Amy also accused him of being abusive towards her and he allegedly also molested their oldest son. I used to watch their channel religiously as a young teen and even tho I stopped before the allegations came out, it’s definitely changed my perspective of the entire family and is the reason why I will never watch them again…
who actually is the intended audience for infant/toddler related content? as a pregnant woman, i can't imagine being that invested in somebody else's kids that i'd sit and watch them get their braces taken off or try on new outfits, nor can can i think of any other mentally well person that would be. it takes about ten seconds to realize this stuff primarily appeals to pedophiles, creeps, trolls, and possibly someone's desperately lonely grandmother. and there's NO WAY that the moms that run these channels and accounts aren't aware of that.
As hard as it is for me to understand as someone who completely lacks maternal instincts, some people genuinely love babies and kids so much that they’ll watch videos of them just to relax and unwind. It’s exactly the same as people who watch videos of cute animals for the same reason. There’s nothing sinister or weird about it. Of course, that doesn’t mean that posting tons of photos and videos of your kids online is a good idea. Even men sometimes watch these types of videos innocently, believe it or not. My dad is a genuinely kind man who adores children, and 90% of the time when he sends me “cute” or “funny” videos online, it’ll be a video of a baby dancing or a kid saying something he thinks is funny. I don’t understand the appeal, and you’re right to be suspicious, but don’t underestimate the number of normal adults who watch videos of kids and babies for totally innocent reasons.
@@StephanieLeighG your right, your right, however you will not catch me videoing my child, because it just opens the door for creepers and they are watching, replaying, zooming in, not me!
When i was a child on the internet i watched a lot of family content. I related to the kids and on a lot of family channels the comments used to be children. unsure what it is now because kids content can’t have comments anymore. there are normal people who watch family content.
The only people who probably aren't watching it to be creepy are other children, (who have a parasocial relationship with the kids the way an adult does with the Kardashians) that is the ONLY group I can think of.
Thanks to your video I finally understand why “peddies” was so prevalent in political discussions in France and why many intellectuals backed them up. Thank you so much! /pos
Hi! Referring to the "involvement of parents" and the Julia Roberts's outfit: you specifically stated "the Mother" when referring to the responsibility of protecting one's child from S.A./ predators. People of all genders, including the man in a heterosexual partnership, should be equally responsible when they have children together (together as in biologically or otherwise). No hate, just a comment on the use of socialized gender roles and the harm that it could potentially do.
Well to add some nuance to your point, Alice mentioned TH-cam channels run by mothers. So I get why Alice focuses on the mother. I agree with you though.
You make a good point. It is true tho that the conditions we're under have the onus on the mother and in these examples that's who's involved. I think that's why mother was said here.
Yes, exactly, the father should react to that, if he saw it, meaning if he's present in the child's life and if there is a legal father in the first place.
I did not know that, in regards to the French culture in the 60s and 70s, it is shocking to me. I was molested first when I was about 4, no one had to tell me it was wrong...I KNEW it, I FELT it on such a fundamental level. Pedists often try to say it is natural, an extension of love... but I knew it wasn't.
I felt apathetic to being sexually abused. I think a lot of it comes from society. That isn't to say it was OK or good, it was abusive, it wasn't consensual but it wasn't traumatic either. I just think society traumatised CSA victims more by how they treat them.
I’m younger than most instagram mommy bloggers, but I remember growing up I was seriously not allowed to have any social media before I turned 13 and well after there was a general understanding that you should never post your face, your real name, your age, or your location where strangers could find it. now moms are posting their kid’s bikini shots in 4k with their full legal name, date of birth and what school they go to. insane behaviour.
This video about to blow up I can tell. I think about this when I see moms letting their very young daughters (toddler age) use "beauty filters" and stuff. I find it so gross. Like, I understand they think it's just having fun, but all you're doing is putting the impression in a young girls mind that their face isn't pretty enough. So weird.
yes! This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
A good example of how parents often turn away from pedophilia is the movie An Education. Sure, Jenny isn't a small child, she's 16, but we still see her parents practically have no opposition to her dating David, in fact they encourage it. It really shines a light on how in more traditional families, relationships between teenage girls and "older, mature men" are often encouraged because they believe that an older man is good for the young girl, a sentiment deeply rooted in chauvinism and patriarchal beliefs, and which exposes one of the many unacknowledged and yet common sides of pedophilia.
This is the first video I’ve seen from you and I’m just impressed you covered so much ground in such a short video. Especially that mini dive into the history of motherhood. Also, I like studying languages, so it was really fun to listen to your accent, explaining something I’m interested in!
That last part made me think about Dutch Supermodel Doutzen Kroes, who claims to be a feminist but uses the 'save the children' rethoric to lure people towards anti-vaccination and Qanon. Chilling stuff
I dont know about Qanon but its ok to be hesitant about giving a new vaccine to kids considering how small-scale the studies have been and the data doesn't show that they are particularly vulnerable, they are at a way higher risk of dying or getting injured in car accidents than from Covid. I suppose you believe in bodily autonomy...? Coming from a tripled vaxxed and currently severely injured from my last vax that i havent been able to report into the VAERS system that the CDC has confessed not to have been monitoring for adverse effects to adjust the vax safety data as they previously said they would do... sounds pretty safe right? good luck. Source freedom of info act
wow I know who Doutzen Kroes is but I wasn't aware of all that. She seemed so level headed too, haven't been following her since the pandemic and somehow missed all of her harmful discourse
I really hope this video gets more traction: this information is important and despite it being a hard topic to stomach, *thats the POINT* - it's disgusting and a *real* issue that people need to understand. Thank you for structuring it so well and having the balls to do so
very interesting and informative video. in the uk in primary school i remember being taught internet safety (not posting pictures of yourself in places where your location could be deducted, not sharing where you go to school, your full name) while they were posting pictures of us on their website without asking sharing what we look like, our full name, school, year group. i always had a problem with this and i even asked my teachers to not post pictures of me on their website, yet they still did.
I came here thinking it was just another commentary on child exploitation, your ideas carry so much more than just that. This is one of the best videos I’ve seen in the past year on TH-cam
If you have children I suggest NEVER put they're photos online even if it's a private account for family only. Just don't do it ever, there's tons of pictures of me my mom has put online just to save them off the old camera we had and it just makes me uncomfortable to know my ugly childhood pics are online (where you can also see my bad fashion taste as a kid) Photos are for photo albums that's just that.
appreciating the addressing of the french intellectual petition thing, it comes up so much more than is reasonable when talking about any of their ideas and it's good to have a frame of reference
Alice this video is so important. Im shocked and sickened by the history of this that has been largely hidden. Thank you for your amazing work, pls keep it up. 💗
I posted a video of me and my friend doing a dance routine to TH-cam when we were 13. The comments that ADULTS were making about our bodies are stuck in my head to this day and I’m 27 now. It was so disturbing.
All those horrid interviews in the 60s with those disgusting men... Like I bet itd be far less tolerated if a normal picture of a small child was beside them for the audience to be constantly reminded of what they want to violate.
What pisses me off is the oversharing of information regarding private moments such as toilet training (there’s hundreds of videos of children on the toilet) and that should never be publicly shared including various methods (such as a 3 day method which requires a child to be fully naked and confined to a house with other family members in order to be fully trained). It’s so invasive
This video is more profound than just the subject at hand. It's an epidemic. Social media manipulates people to do things because of the gratifying nature of likes, subs, follows and money.
I once met this about 25 year old man when I was 15 and we grew a “relationship” online. Thankfully. Thank god it was online. But I never realized how creepy and /sneaky smart he was. The entire time knowing him he would tell me and dream about moving to Japan with me. And I JUST now realized it’s probably cause the age of consent is 13 over there…what a freak.
The things that people make for money, fame, or social media points, is just disgusting. Private lifes should stay private, cause there are algorithms out there wishing to profit from people weaknesses, flaws, and other worse things as you point out. Yours isn't the first I see about this, and I agree: There's a big problem out there that the people responsible to solve are unwilling to do so, cause they are making money out of it.
je laisse rarement de commentaires sur youtube mais je viens de te découvrir dans mes recommandations, tu expliques super bien, le rythme est super, je me suis abonnée direct ! merci d'avoir si bien traité ce sujet sensible, keep going ❤️
I'd have to disagree with the idea that self-objectification is liberating for adult women. Reducing one's self to a sexual object always involves giving away those aspects of personhood for use by other people's desires, and that's not liberating. Additionally, it erases the other aspects of personhood, which is also repression. Just because they're putting on the shackles themselves doesn't mean they're not being exploited. However, this is different from expressing sexuality.
I genuinely think kids especially those under the age of 16 should have limited access to the internet especially social media. I definitely think having access to TH-cam and other websites since the age of 6 or 7 while giving me some good (access to both art tutorials and music education stuff) has definitely harmed aspects of my mental health and has made me an overall more anxious and insecure person in some aspects.
I saw an account on tiktok of a little girl skateboarder. She skateboarded in dresses with no shorts on under. Two of the videos had a shot of her underwear showing as the thumbnail previews. Guess which two videos had three times more views than the rest. 🤢
so many of the people in that room look old enough to have kids, how on earth can they listen to someone almost take pride in being a predator and not get absolutely enraged? if someone did something like that to my child i would be going to prison
There really needs to be a solid line drawn on what’s appropriate online, I keep hearing about parents leaving their kids on the internet and exposure to nsfw content and due to there not being a proper system in place to detect and remove CP it can just be uploaded wherever without consequences.
Great video! It is clear a lot of work was done contextual using the issue and how discussion around it has played out. I think we should keep in mind that the same dilemmas arise regarding consent. Thirteen year-olds are permitted to have social media accounts and are largely pressured into engaging online in these spaces. As a society, we should seriously question if teenagers understand what they are sharing to the world. Nobody can discern who is playing the weird timestamps on otherwise benign videos; what can be done is not posting that video. It is huge regression to curtail the access to social media for kids, but, personally, I think that is one society needs to make. All that said, some form of discussion with kids about predators is essential. Abstract the concepts - do what you need to do - but it is essential for kids to stay safe. The online space has an entirely different dynamic, and there is a lot one can do to prevent dangerous situations.
idk if it was coincidence or you’ve recently been inspired by newly discovered peddies but either way this topic needs to me more talked about. there is so much to it - the crazy justifications, the rich and influential getting away with it still and just the sickest comparison with lgbt+ community
This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
Very much agree with you. It was really interesting to learn about the history. Especially in regards to French culture. I'm still horrified at whatever was the dynamic between Serge Gainsbourg and his daughter. Like... those songs make me so uncomfortable. Personally I'm not gonna have kids and I have no interest in family vlogs (cause to me, children are really annoying), so I struggle to comprehend who this content is for other than p. The way progressive Twitter acts around the topic, sometimes annoys me a bit though. There's a strong tendency to call 17 year-old people "children" and to treat them as if they were 8. If a 20 yo dates a 17 yo , it is really not the same as them dating a 10 yo. This also manifests in the really weird countdowns to 18th birthdays. As if there was any material difference between the person at 18 and them at 17 and 360 days. I don't know how this can be looked at with nuance, but it annoys me. I feel like Twitter hunting down people who dared to say that a 17 yo was hot, is a distraction from looking at and trying to solve real issues with pedy.
TLDR; I agree it's not the same issue, but teens being treated inappropriately should still be taken seriously. It's no doubt that issues of peddies toward pre-pubscent kids is much worse and a bigger danger in that teenagers have more knowledge and agency to avoid inappropriate relationships, but a 17 year old can still be groomed and taken advantage of. Even if the reaction isn't nearly as visceral as a 6 year old for the idea of experiencing something horrible, it's still better for people in their 20s to view teens of that age as much younger, because those relationships would rarely end well due to life experience difference between the two ages and the fact that one is still growing but the other is not, at least not in the same regard.
@@melodye14 Certainly, 17 yo teenagers can be groomed, but in my mind, so can an 18 yo. Because it's not like the brain and how it works suddenly switches at 18. The brutal cut off doesn't make sense. For me, a 50 year old who "dates" an 18 year old is creepy too; and it can be very damaging to that 18 year old. To me there's a gradual transition between the ages of 15 and 22 maybe, when people's autonomy grows, there sense of self develops, their assertiveness develops,... And I don't know how we decide at which point things are ok or not, but I find the 18th birthday cut off really weird. In my country, age of consent is 16, so a 20 year old can date a 16 year old. But there's a special status, where if a 16 or 17 yo goes to the police and accuses their adult partner, it is automatically considered statutory r*, even if the 16 yo had said yes in the moment (same as it would be for a younger teen). But for 16 and 17 yo, this determination can only be made by the teen themselves. Parents, or anyone else cannot speak for the teen. This gives 16/17 yo teenagers the autonomy to decide if what happens is ok or not, rather than their parents. Also prevents horrible stories like I've heard in the US of parents who disapprove of who their 17 yo child is dating, and the moment the partner turns 18, the parents go to the police (I read a story of a lesbian couple this happened to, because parents were homophobic).
@@loyisad1211 I broadly agree but not every country has the same laws as the US. In the UK, our age of consent is 16 thus a 20yr old and 17yr old would indeed be dating legally
@@TheChlozie Sure, that's the age of consent but that doesn't make it any less weird. This is pretty close to those weirdos saying how it's totally ok to s*xualize a minor in for example: anime, since supposedly 'the age of consent is thirteen in japan so its not wrong11!!1!1!' And no 20 year old should even be thinking about dating a minor as SOON as they turn the age of consent. That's literally just predatory behavior, so this argument doesn't really make sense. 🤷🏾♀️
People should seriously stop putting any pictures of their kids on the internet. Goddamn it I'm embarrassed when my mom wants to show old pics of me to my friends/new girlfriend, all these poor people gonna have their whole kid life exposed to the internet forever and have old men jack off to them it's messed up. There should be law preventing any parent posting pics of their kids online at all because they are unable to consent.
As an American in France I am sorry but the way a lot of French people talk about relationships with under age people, particularly girls, is way more normalised. It was quite shocking. Also, met several young "progressives" that casually defend directors like Polonsky...
You spoke a lot about the mother, but I think it's important to talk about the father's involvement too. While there are many great fathers out there, the traditional view that mothers are the main childcarers still persists, and fathers are often allowed to be absent from interacting with their children. Which leads to all the blames be put on the mothers when something goes wrong, when both parents should be responsible for their kids (unless in cases of where the other parent cannot be involved, such as not having custody). It's often too easy for an absent parent to say that they are not responsible when bad things happen and to shift the blame on the other party, but if they were really against putting their children's information online, they should have done something before. Fathers can also benefit from child exploitation even if the mother is the face of the operation (ex: mom blogs, reality TV, vlogs, etc.).
Oops my comment got deleted but I want to say that I should have expanded on that in my last part on gender roles and why it’s always women who lead those sort of movements but your comment does it v well!
Not just that but it'd be helpful to dive into how the fatherlessness rate effects children
I know, what sexist right?
tell that to the biased court system 😂😂😂 haha
Indeed
Even if we don't talk about creeps, showing your baby and his every moves to the entire world is a pure violation of his privacy. I wouldn't have wanted my childhood to be shown to complete strangers on the internet.
damn thank you all for the likes
This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
dude...wtf
Right!! I really don't get those parents---your kid can't currently consent because they probably can't even talk, and if they can, they probably don't understand the consequences of being all around the net (because clearly you skipped that lesson yourself). Wait till they're 12 and see if they still like it.
Ans if they do, congrats! You just created a monster lol, it's a lose-lose situation
@@Ty-mu7gl A lot of preteens who then consent to their lives being exploited online feel like they don’t really have a choice. They know their parents use their lives to make content to provide for the family. It’s a huge burden to put on a child, no kid should have feel they need to support their family financially.
@@Ty-mu7glomg. I just thought about how I hate the pictures of me as a preteen, and my awkward phase. I don't want anyone seeing those pictures. It would be kind of awful if it was online and I couldn't take it down for the world to see.
Something I also wanna bring up is “autism moms” posting videos of their children during meltdowns, something which is extremely overwhelming and hard to deal with. I myself am autistic and know first hand how hard meltdowns are. But the amount of times I’ve seen tiktoks of moms recording their kids meltdowns instead of being there to help their child is insane
I don’t have autism but I can understand how humiliating that can be for children. I know a lot of those parents like to say it’s “informative” but it really looks like you’re making your child look like a spectacle in order to gain sympathy from ableist ppl .
@@jenniie_333 yeah, I'm autistic and I can confirm. Already posting videos and pictures of children online can be dangerous, but even posting a video of a child during a meltdown is terribile. Not only is it horribly embarrassing and humiliating, but it's even more dangerous. Thank God my mom isn't like that
ive literally seen that be used as a threat against children - to not "embarrass" the parent in public by having a meltdown, or theyll be filmed and posted online so their whole school can see. its horrific
@@peenyweeny3834 I legitimately don't understand why it's not considered a crime
100%. Don't get me started on fatheringautism. They definitely exploit their autistic child for views.
Yeah... That's why there are no photos online of my daughter.
Hear to this smart guy. Protect your vulnerable loved ones.
good parenting
same here glad im not the only one
In on side of my family there is only one small child, so they're our little baby and my family members keep posting the child's pictures on their open Instagram profiles, no matter how much I ask them not to. It truly worries me :/
My child isn't getting their own device/social media until at least 13 and it will be monitored until 16-18. I did so much crap online when I was a younger teen that I really shouldn't have. 💀
I feel like the disappearance of kids exclusive game sites (with no chat rooms) and the increase of the presence of children on Instagram and the like, pushing them into more adult appearances (think 12 year olds learning to do a full face of makeup) has been a huge step back on a) kids safety online and b) allowing kids to be kids
Yeah I agree. I was born in the early 2000's and grew up before the boom of kids on social media, when I was on the internet as a kid I was on websites like Club Penguin (rip) and CoolMathsGames, not Instagram. I'm a young adult now and social media still messes with me, from the obvious dangers of creeps and gross people to just self esteem. Can't imagine how messed up I would be if I was witnessing these things when I was pre-teen.
@@liyre4189 Even back then, chat rooms were a big thing. I remember even the news were covering the dangers of chat rooms because you had adult strangers pretending to be underage with the intent of meeting up with a minor. Also I remember when Facebook started to get popular around 2010-ish I was probably like around 10 or 11 and all my classmates were getting a Facebook account since it was just so easy to fake your real age.
But yes, now it's gotten way worse, I see toddlers who already have their own cell phone and 5-6 year olds with full access to Internet, and free access to social media. Back then I think it would have been considered madness.
Cope and literally victim shaming children.
I would play habbo, weeworld, meez, zwinky, xat chat rooms, it was a blast. Although those games had their fair share of issues and creeps.
@@rainbowdash_cum_jar wtf do you mean by cope
UGH my comments keeps getting automatically deleted!!
I need to address the language that is used -- or not used -- surrounding this issue. An adult man doesn't "have s*x with" a 6 year old girl, he r***s her. That is a really important distinction because connotation of words have power and this is a powerful subject. I understand you might have said that for monetization/getting banned purposes but it's something I see really commonly in these types discussions or reports. We are responsible for making this disgusting subject FEEL gross and uncomfortable with the language we use to describe it.
tip for avoiding auto comment deletion:
spell the words wrong but phonetically correct. This doesnt always work but usually does. For example: Raype, abyuse, sx, pdf file.
something else that helps is replacing lower case L with upper case i. So if I want to say the word assauIt I actually wrote it as assauit, with an upper case i instead of a a lower case L
you are absolutely correct! language plays a very important role in how we perceive the gravity of the crime!
Cannot agree more
YES!!!
💯, They are using this language to talk around the truth.
The normalization of pedophilia lately has really been disturbing. We need to fight this and not just let it happen slowly
This goes back centuries, the only recent thing is people questioning what we've allowed to go on for so long
When homosexuality and transsexuality are accepted, the acceptance of incest, ped00philia and bestiality seems almost unavoidable.
@@bouclechocolat no but you have to admit there has been a spike (at least in publicity) recently. kids at pride parades being exposed to fetish/sex stuff is normalizing pedophilia. same with the porn books in schools. it's disgusting and it's grooming
@@bouclechocolat pedophiles have always existed but it hasn't always (especially in america) been institutional
@@janetsnakehole4255 hoo boy institutional - let me introduce you to something called the church. If you want to talk about modern day, teenage girls get groomed by and marry adult men in church camps, and to this day the catholic church defends known predators. Not to mention there was a time when girls were married as early as fourteen. The only thing new is that we have mass media to tell you which groups to blame for being "more" predatorial while others remain unmentioned.
A society that doesn’t protect its children is a society doomed to fall.
Hahahahaaha. The West has already been at the point of no return for some time. And this has nothing to do with it.
The infantilisation of women I feel adds to this problem, have you noticed a lot of beauty standards are to make women very child-like? Something sinister is going on…
Even down to how so many men refer to grown adult women as 'girls'. Not only is it infantilising adults, it's patronising. I would never call a grown adult man a 'boy' it's so weird. I wish people would call women WOMEN.
You're right though, it happens all the time. And sadly many women play into it as well.
Sadly this isn't something new.
The "childlike" appearance was always sexualised.
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517 a lot of men call a man boy when they dont see them as equal. Or when they behavior warrants thats description.
Im guessing it could be similar with girl and woman
@@busch_ii7450 Sometimes it's a form of endearment when I call my friend "my boy". I'm not saying there can't be inherent problem with the language we choose, but as a guy who calls his friends his "boys" sometimes, this seems a little far fetched.
Call open a cold one with the boys!
It's so disturbing how prevalent child predators are. I didn't realise until I was 20 and in therapy that my biological father s*xually abused me as a child. Even when my family left him, he would send me letters. Not my mum, not my sister. Just me. Knowing what I know now, it's honestly terrifying realising that my own father had a bizarre obsession with me. I really wish my teachers had taken me seriously when I told them he was abusive. For every kid that gets abused, there's at least 20 grown adults that failed them. We have to do better.
I remember my parents got in an argument with a photographer they hired for my first communion. He was selling my photo prints to men and my parents found out because he was almost proud of it, under the guise that he is such a great photographer and I looked like an Angel. It makes me sick just thinking about it.
Even if you have no Internet and shield the child from everything, child sexual abuse and other forms of harm still prevail, especially at home.
Heartbreaking
that is true but then that falls on the parents to protect their children. Know their friends, and communicate with your kids so they won't be afraid to share anything with you. The idea that your kids won't have access to social media is naive. Even if you have no internet in your home ( which is unlikely), your cellphone or your friend's cellphones are access points for posting on social media
Yes, exactly! #Antinatalism
This is what everyone forgets. Sexual abuse is more likely to happen from someone u know and trust.
Especially family members since we are programmed since birth to blindly trust our family no matter what
@@Swigi_E this is not the point of the video. The topic is on online children exposition and the risks, the logics behind the phenomena.. she never said that shutting down social media will magically protect kids from any form of violence. Ofc not, unfortunately but it's limiting the risk a little bit and it's worth to consider regarding the nature of danger we're talking about
Predators using the language of victims is a very real and common issue, and it's an interesting point you bring up. Abusers do it all the time to manipulate and/or slander their victims - and to this day, p/dophiles continue to do it to try and force their way into the LGBTQ community. Informed activists are aware of this, but the masses, and especially teenagers, might not be. They can and will make it harder for everybody to figure out who's the actual victim.
Yup. And the predators attempts to use queer liberatory language is complicated by the fact that queerphobic people have a tendency to specifically accuse queer people of child exploitation. It means that queer people tend to be primed to distrust language talking about child exploitation within queer spaces. The sort of language you need to call this out can sound very similar to queerphobic dogwhistles to a lot of people.
When I saw the title of this video for example, I was unsure whether it was going to be about what it wound up being about, or whether it was just going to be blatant transphobia. It felt like a 50/50 toss-up.
Holy hell this is so scary. I'm 8 months pregnant and have been thinking a lot about web presence of children online so this is very informative. Thank you for a great video!
As a student teacher I have some advice based on the research I did in order to teach about internet safety to 10 year olds. First thing is that kids under 1 year old SHOULD NOT have access to devices like TV, iPads, phones, etc. It seriously damages their social growth. Kids under 5 tend to supplement social stimulation with devices, and that means that they aren't getting the things they need. Screens are incredibly addictive and if I could choose I would say that children under seven years of age shouldn't have access to any devices unless a guardian is actively helping them use it and watching the things they're doing. I wish you luck with your pregnancy, you're going to do great!
@@bettievw that makes so much sense, developmentally speaking. Do you happen to have any sources you’d recommend for learning more about this? I’m thinking about having children soon and I really want to be as informed as possible to give them the best chance at a healthy, happy and fulfilling life!
Good luck with your pregnancy
Congrats on the new baby/babies!!! Praying you have a safe happy rest of pregnancy and delivery!
@@bettievw I’ve seen so many mothers just give their children phones or iPads just to shut them up, especially on public transit. Try to take the phone away? Kid cries. It teaches them from an early age that if they cry and complain they’ll get what they want.
This is terrifying. I'm working on making my Psychology M.A. thesis about how family vlogs affect the children who are in said vlogs and I'm pretty far along. so I was already aware of this phenomenon but this video went even more in depth about just HOW bad it is. Earlier I thought that some vloggers or other content creators had some plausible deniability about what *type* of people were watching *what*, but now I'm not sure anymore :/
Wow that's so relevant to the video topic, its amazing the knowledge that pops up in the comments section sometimes. good luck with your studies!
@@11Hand1e11 the method is qualitative video analysis of videos, organizing then further analyzing it through a psychological and developmental lense and how it can affect the kids long term. Since getting any children to be interviewed would require you to ask their parent or guardian (Aka - the person already making money off of them) it is unlikely we will be getting any interviews with kids in family vlogs and their experience any time soon until a critical mass of them come of age.
Never underestimate the power of denial. I've seen it pushed to it's extremes before. No matter how you prove to these family vloggers that their content feeds mostly pedos, their need to think of themselves as good parents may blind them to EVERYTHING.
I remember hearing about a family vlogger whose like 9 month baby was posted on a porn site. Someone nice found it and tried to inform the mom, and she was basically like 🤷♀️ oh well. Absolutely insane. They know what they're doing
It's sad how many words you have to change or blank out. Why do we tolerate so much censorship of important discussions like this?
The censorship in this very thread is strong. I posted a reply that more or less acknowledges the problem. It still got deleted. No swear words, threats, or code words. Just an opinion youtube didn't like.
@jshowa o I think OP had a good point. That its sad that youtube censors these discussions. I really dislike when someone can't say SA but has to say "the R word" etc. It does impact the discussion and words ARE important. I think its good to use the words that hold weight in serious topics. Thats just my opinion as someone who was affected by the thing those words describe.
@jshowa o I absolutely disagree. Which is okay, you are a seperate person from me. I believe that treating the word like its naughty "the r word" simply for optics of the company (youtube in this case) is not done to advocate for survivors/affected people, nor does it benefit those speaking about r*pe in an educated discussion or emotional expression on the topic.
Context MATTERS. If someone uses a word to be derogatory or inflammatory or shitty then YEAH. Consequences should exist. We don't need to delete the word from appropriate discussions. Even S*xual Assault, a word NOT used in call of duty lobbies, isn't allowed in content discussing the crime.
Censorship when people are left to say "unalive" or use strange symbols in certain words it does nothing to help anyone. You will often see the creator in videos who looks visibly frustrated with censoring a very serious topic. If we are here to talk about the affects of r*pe then i don't want someone treating my experience like a dirty word in a classroom.
You have your opinion, I have mine. To have the word obfuscated only serves to distance from the reality of the situation. It personally makes me uncomfortable & I do not agree with it.
@jshowa o I actually think your hypothetical is a good example to prove my point. That is a slur. P*dophile is not a slur, it is the correct term. R*pe is not a slur against anyone, nor is s*xual assault a slur.
A slur is not useful to better describe a black person. It is not a better word to describe a slave in 1700 America. Your comparison is not a 1:1.
Using a slur in a documentary (not good or needed) is hardly the same as using the actual medical word for someone who targets children in this context. Nor is it the same as using s*xual assault to describe a real crime.
A slur does not need to be approved for us to use the word p*dophile.
//// I do think I missed an earlier point you had, that "normalizing" the use of the word p*dophile will make it more common for people to sling it around as an accusation. I do not think that is at all true though. I think it spreads from being used as a weapon to attack people you don't like. That is slander / defamation etc and I agree we should NOT normalize calling people p*dophiles when they disagree with someone; a trend I do agree is growing.
I dont think that is at all connected to adult discussion in good faith, but when used to radicalize a group to attack/hate someone (manipulation). Hopefully I did not misinterpret you though!
Censorship needs to be nuanced & not a blanket policy imo
@jshowa o that is a... terrible downplaying of a slur.
And again... Words matter. A slur is hate speech and categorically different than "not a nice word".
P*dophile is on league with sociopath perhaps. A layman's word used to describe an actual mental condition. It's more legitimate than calling someone a sociopath even (since the actual disorder is AsPD).
And no the "n word" was derived from black in Latin not spanish. You are mixing two different words.
P*dophile is not a slur and your reply comparing it to slurs really shows a disingenuous portrayal of language.
My earliest memory is my father dying when I was 2. My second earliest memory was being molested by my step father when I was 5. They say that humans are the apex predator, but really the apex predators are narcissists, sociopaths and peddies.
@belén 🌙 I'm only just getting over this massive uphill struggle that my life has been. I've made it, but I destroyed my body in the process. Maybe I'm young enough I'll eventually be able to get out of bed for more than 5 hours at a time without needing to take a nap.
They’re not apex because they go for children, if they were, they’d go for strong adults.
1st step is you survived and 2nd step you will thrive 🌱
this is why I tell single mothers with small kids not to date... pedos literally search for these types of situations just to get access to kids.
I mean apex predator means top of the food chain. Maybe you’re confusing that with righteousness, morality, or benevolence?
I’ve been catcalled more under the age of 15 than I have as an adult. Being a 12 year old was hard.
Same here. It really weirded me out whenever it happened to me because my body was going through a severely uncute/awkward phase at the time and i just couldn't understand why adults wanted to give me that kind of attention.
Same!! It’s really scary.
That's not surprising. The g*rls are the ho*test at that age range.
Girls as a thin baby faced 27 year old I pray you grow into your looks and body. Looking like a 12 year old all the time because I have no ass, hips or boobs makes me a perfect magent for Pedos all the fucking time and although I prefer to deal with the sickos rather than them going up to young girls it's exhausting to deal with everyday...
Same! I look back to it with disgust
As a Brit, it's very weird to think how accepted pdf files were in the 70s and 80s. The commonality of schoolgirl fetishes, and of course the lack of any action taken against Jimmy Saville.
It's very much baked into our society - we had pds as teachers in my school 20 years ago, all kinds of scandals have come out from the past at football academies and pretty much everywhere, it comes from the top down. Just look at the royal family.
They gave children for adoptions to pedophiles in Germany in the 60s or 70s I think under the approval of a psychologist who claimed that children aren't harmed by sexual relationships with adults.
pdf files? what/
@@soyojoo It's a way of saying the p word without getting into trouble. Like I'm not sure that Alice's video could get a strike or demonetised because of a comment but I'm playing it safe.
@@Beelzeboogie just say ped3
This just makes me feel crazy, that people say things such as "children´s s#xual liberation" as a justification to literal r#pe. True freedom respects the freedom of others, there´s nothing more misogynistic than this entitlement to a child´s body and the audacity to groom them into thinking they want that. But maybe the most shockying thing to me It´s the insane narrative that they try to push to called those of us that try to protect children somehow old fashioned and closed minded.
Why do grown men always need to overly express their feelings over young undeveloped girls and ofcourse boys, it’s so gross. I once had a laptop when I was 11 growing up with the upcoming of the internet (15 years ago) and the still unknowns hazards it had. The only attention I used to get was from men lurking on kids online gaming platforms not even at night but during the day. Most of them being over 30, 40, 50 sometimes even grandpas. I can never look at men the same anymore after what i witnessed at a young age after what comments I got from men from all classes while I was still a kid. One even asked my address so they could send me a transportation card so I could visit him and to keep it a secret. I later found out he was living in a squat building with a lot of drug addicts and found out he babysit a young girl of some friend of his.. I never want to know the possibilities of what happened there
maybe because humans are disgusting and men and women have the capacity for extreme cruelty under the right circumstances? maybe change YOUR thought process and how you look at the world instead of expecting everyone to change for you? hey im gonna walk down this dark alley because men should KNOW not to raype/kill! be smart. don't victimize yourself. and you will be successful in lif.
IT'S FEMINISTS FEMALES WHO EXPLOIT THEIR KIDS
Stfu, its not just men.
@The ebona chronicals gang rapes are bad whatever era they occur in.
Because g*rls are the most attractive at a very y*ung age. A lot of men know it, but few of them are willing to admit it. I never stopped liking them.
There is a saying in Turkey “Speak the truth and you will be exiled from all nine villages” . It is scary how the voice of righteousness gets buried under so quickly with all this media platforms. We need more people who can eloquently discuss these difficult subjects like you, cheers.
This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
dude, this comment, again? seriously?
@@rba4377 can you share your source for that data? I’m a survivor and am under the impression that there is no connection between pornography consumption and abuse of minors,
@Russ Ingram nah
@@thefirstface4575 I didnt say there was a link. I said that numbers are shifting and according to specialists it seems like not only biologically born pedos consume this content anymore. Source IS the podcast suggested, is on youtube or sam harries website making sense.
The biggest mouth dropper is the fact that child exploitation and human trafficking are economic fuel for some of the poorest countries on the planet. They need men to travel to their countries with the intent to seek out men, women, and sadly, children - for pleasure - because the money these men have to spend will be used to better the economy in some way (even if it is just to feed a family). There is a documentary (I don't remember the name) from a country in Southwestern Asia that featured several on-the-street interviews from actual child pros*itues - all boys - and almost all of them were forced to sell themselves when they were very young to feed their families. Families sell their youngest toddlers to grown men for the most money just so they can buy a bag of rice to feed everyone...
Probably Thailand? It is prominent for child exploitation of a certain kind sadly.
Heartbreaking, I just can’t imagine.
capitalism. capitalism thrives on human exploitation, no matter what kind of human you are, child or adult.
@@manymantids It also happens in Socialist and Communist countries not just Capitalist countries. Stop blaming every problem on Capitalism
I think it is Thailand or Brazil
I had to replay the bit around 5:38 multippe times. Simone de Beauvoir... I was thrown so left field. I took a philosophy 101 class in 2020. My professor covered a lot of de Beauvoir's feminist writings. He quite likes her from what I could tell. We went over quite a bit of her stuff, actually.
I guess my bias shows? A woman is the last one I suspect to endorse "peddys". It's never too late to relearn the actual truth behind your preconceived notions.
Thanks for bringing it up. That really rocked my world. Especially coming from a university and well esteemed professor in my big city...
I was SAed starting as a toddler until I was a young child. I had no agency, gave no consent. Now I just have issues around multiple aspects of sex and sensuality. F anyone who thinks that should be allowed and is okay.
Thanks for the video! It is good to know some of the history around these topics in France.
I hope you're doing OK 💚
I remember my mother posting a photo of me to her Facebook after I finished a play (was still in costume) and a how a male family friend ended up commenting about how nice my body was at my age. I was like 12 - 13.
We live in a sick world. Its shocking to see that archive footage of those guys so brazenly campaigning for something so obviously evil and gross.
Have you any plans for a podcast? I really enjoy your commentary & ideas. Always so well researched and eloquently put.
I cannot imagine ANY of these men talking about a child "freely exploring their sexuality" meaning anything other than- I want to sexually exploit young girls. Not an open conversation about how the human body is nothing to be ashamed for, that we should know and practice consent from a young age and that exploring your own body is ok. Or even a conversation about sexuality between young peers (with consent and safe practices on both ends). All I hear is I want young girls to be open to my exploits and the society to be okay with this.
Right, I feel like if we want children to have sexual freedom, that should mean freedom from predation and exploitation by adults
This was hard to watch...you perfectly summarized the situation. It is scary to be a mom in this era. I have struggled to stop myself from posting my kids photos, because everyone around me, my fellow moms ask for it, and it feels good to share my cute babies pics. But this video has totally changed my mind. NEVER am i going to post another pic again, and deleting probably the five or so pics i have.
I don’t know how to say this but my parents love to share photos of their grandkids on fb, insta, and yes tiktoks. As they claimed that babies/toddlers aren’t “that vulnerable” and their favorite phrase which is “We’re just sharing cute baby pictures, what’s the problem with that?! We’re not celebrities” are so concerning in all honesty. I wish older generations understand how this can be an issue related to CP and creeps out there. It might be because I’m getting paranoid that people posted my pictures without consent but I realized these children most of the times are made to believe that their parents give consent rather then they themselves do so. Idk maybe there are circumstances when children willingly participate (?) but that goes with external influences…
Ik. I still think older generations don't understand the phrase "what is posted on the internet, stays on the internet" and how beyond things can go, even without them knowing. Recently we had a family friend posting a picture of their baby naked on facebook, just like any parent have that cringy nakey pic of their kids. They didn't saw any malice, of course, but most of my relatives tried to explain how those pictures may be shared to people with bad intent. It was a field day for my relatives, but most people just can't understand how internet is.
I am not even pregnant yet and I already know this will be an issue with my mom
See, on the one hand it's true that the older generations havent got a clue what's happening online (my parents sure dont), but on the other, they are right that it's just "innocent baby photos".
To me, this paranoia about the weirdos out there only serves to rob normal folk of the normal enjoyments of life we should be able to enjoy. It's like deciding to not have any lunch money, and just miss lunch because the bullies might beat you up and take it. No. Up with this, I will not put. I'm not willing to retreat ever further behind more layers of walls out of fear of the barbarians beyond.
@@RHLW it’s not paranoia it’s just being careful. it’s as little as having a well curated private profile instead of a public one
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Oh sure... go private... friends/family/etc access only. Tbh why someone would parade their kids on an open/public profile in the first place is beyond me.
But I'm still not down with acting based on fear that there may be nonces lurking around, ready to think impure thoughts at the mere sight of a childs image.
They're the problem, not the people innocently sharing pictures with their social circles as a simple display of their happiness.
The worst thing is that the moms know why they have such an audience. But the numbers and money are more important than their kids security.
Even back in the late 2000’s and 2010’s I had vacation pictures stolen from my mom’s Facebook and posted on “the jailbait gallery.” Before it was taken down. She just wanted to share memories with our family in England and Australia.
Omg that's horrible
The intentions of our mums may be well, but I am totally against my mom posting pictures of me or my siblings. There’s no need for that in the first place. If a relative wants to see us they can either visit or my mom can send them a picture just for them. The whole world doesn’t need to see.
I made a search for that in TH-cam right now... Omfg... There are videos out there! And not about the closing that is what I wanted to know about cause I thought would be nice to see justice served, no. Disgusting thumbnails of minors was what I was presented with!
I'm freaking shocked and hope I had never searched for it. I thought TH-cam was kind of a safe space to some stent, specially after the controversies they faced, and that's why it's the only social media that I still use, but now... idk what to think...
I was too disgusted to report them, and I really don't have the mental strength to even touch one of those videos to do so. I just had to instantly cancel it and return here, shocked, to advice others that may read this... FREAKING HOW, TH-cam?!? HOW?!?
Hope I have never learned that Jailwhatever existed, and I'm completely shocked that with the resources this site has, such trend still exists here.
*Please, don't make my mistake unless that you can stomach to report them.* I certainly can't stomach things like this, and I remember when during the USA elections a bunch of people posted in Twitter fake news about some politicians, or whoever, having pictures of minors. I reported during an entire day, with freaking lots of illegal pictures posted for all to watch, and I mean LOTS of them, that resulted in a lot of confirmed bans, *but* I literally had a one year mental meltdown of consequences, that I wish to no one. I did my part reporting, but dealing with the consequences of watching such shocking content was an entirely different matter. I'm still scared to go to Twitter even with direct links to single tweets that I know will not harm me, but even though I am.
You have been advised. If you *really* can, report them. Don't test your strength though. We are weaker than what we think we're. I discovered the hard way.
I wish I could help but I am feeling sick after she showed that example of the most viewed parts of some videos. I'd like to help but I can't even watch this, so imagine what you just described... Just know that I don't think it's your job to report such videos, and this points to issues in the moderation system, some things should just be automated (if we rely just on individual flagging, that sort of content will never get reported - mentally healthy people don't look it up or know that it is out there). Maybe we could send emails about this! I think I will try. Stay strong and remember the messed up people are and always will be a minority, the Internet is a place where they can gather and look like they are more because they are spread out worldwide.
@@escobarines Thanks for your words. Really help me.
As a survivor of the abuse of pedos...i can honestly say, for ME, what hurt me most is that my mom knew and saw and did nothing. I see a similarity to the mom-ran Instagrams with young children. They know...and they dont care.
Alice I just wanted to comment on how brilliant you are at communication and pitching your content. You balance academic discourse and historical context for the average viewer. You make viewers feel like they are involved in intellectual debate because you open it up in a way that’s accessible to everyone. Academic spheres maintain power by gate keeping knowledge through complicated language but you bring it to the table for everyone. I can see a lot of planning and effort goes in to do this. Merci beaucoup! 😃
Thank you SO MUCH for mentioning the pastel Q-anon phenomenon. I cannot believe the ease at which crystal-people and MLM-moms and facebook-boomers are falling into the Q-anon trap. I can find pure Q-anon content on IG through just one hashtag aimed at the groups I mentioned above. The obsession with saving the children while advertising their own online really makes me wonder if there's some sort of projection at play.
I had no idea there were people on television trying to use progressive talking points to hide their agendas and try and push for younger consent ages. In the UK here it’s 16 which means a lot of over 18 year-olds tend to think it’s alright to enter “a relationship” with them, fully ignoring that the legal adult age is still 18. That’s older than the ages you were talking about, but it’s still disturbing to me. So the idea that adults were even trying to give uh… adult agency to children so they could have a free pass to coerce children and opposition would be chalked up to differences in personal opinion is incredibly frightening.
It was a big,serious thing in the late 1960s. Big name intellectuals were heading the cause. Popular literature both lowbrow and highbrow pushed the agenda. If you couldn't have secks with the one you loved ( because your old,bigoted,mean parents wouldn't let you) you'd end up dying,because ITS THAT IMPORTANT. And also of course as poet Philip Larkin said,sexual intercourse was invented in 1963 so your 200 year old parents never knew about it,so how could they judge). LOL. LOL.
Absolutely. I was groomed by a man of 21 when I was 15. He said he would wait til I was 16 to 'date me' but it was obvious that he had an inclination for younger girls (at least now I realise this!). I terminated the friendship but met him by chance later on when I was 17 on holiday on the beach. He turned to me and said "You still have the wonderful body you had at 15", it completely freaked me out and to this day I realise that I was glad I went with my gut instinct and steered well clear of him.
Honestly, I'd say that the age of consent should be INCREASED. 18 is the absolute bare minimum it should be. But a few years older is more ideal imo, maybe 20 or 21.
@@eevee727 my class had a pse class a couple of months ago where we learnt that 1/3 of Scottish teenagers had sex before the age of 16..... it was frightening to say the least
@@freyjalily7851 That’s super scary. That’s the danger of lower ages of consent, these kids are only just developing their sexualities and don’t have the capacity to fully understand what it means for them. Idk what the age of consent is in Scotland but that’s why I find it disturbing that 16 is such a common age of consent. Like half of my friends (including myself) were groomed at 16 or younger, it’s too young.
it seems really weird when parents use their young kids, like any of them younger than 8 years old, to farm social media engagement
yes! This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
change 8 to 18
This is one of the reasons why I'm glad my mother was always a private person when it came to sharing any images of me.
There are laws coming out where kids can sue their parents when the kids grow up for what their parents posted online of them. We need to expand those laws to protect children from being exploited.
A relationship between a child and an adult will always be BEYOND wrong. That child will always do what an adult says. They will always listen to them. Never say no. Never give consent.
How could ANYONE see that as even close to being ok??
I think this is a very prescient topic right now, especially considering the "gay and trans grooming" narrative on the Right in the U.S. (A church in my neighborhood in NYC has a sign promoting their summer camp "free from gay groomers.") I think that at the core of the "grooming" narrative is how to introduce discussions of sex to children appropriately. There's a wonderful book called Sexual Citizens that is unequivocal about how horrible sexual abuse is, but also shows how introducing children to sex education from a young age can be done sensitively. You don't teach children how to drive. You teach them first how to cross the street, look out for cars, ride a bicycle, and then when they are old enough, how to drive a car and use the roads safely. They use this as a metaphor for how to introduce sex education to children by first introducing concepts of bodily autonomy when kids are young. (i.e. Not forcing kids to hug/kiss others; teaching kids to respect other's boundaries) Then work your way up to talking about safe sex when they are teenagers. I think that because we hypersexualize and stigmatize queer and trans people, it's hard for people to see that you can talk about queer and trans people to kids the same way you talk to them about straight and cis people. (i.e. a gay couple having a chaste kiss or saying "I love you" in an animated film just like a straight couple would). As someone who grew up around a lot of queer adults, I never, ever felt sexualized or violated by their presence in my life. I did, however, feel violated by the way adult men specifically would touch me "innocently" or expect gestures of affection. I did feel violated by the way that I was sexualized from the age of 10 by wearing my school uniform in public, and I had friends who felt violated by the physical punishments their parents would inflict upon them (Talia Lavin has a great article about corporal punishment on her substack). Exposure to LGBTQ+ people is not grooming, but the cultural norms around children's body autonomy are. These issues are difficult to discuss, but I think you did a great job tackling the nuances. These are cultural and systematic problems that allow individual actors to perpetuate abuse and communities to ignore it. It's just a shame that, at least here, these issues are being scapegoated and projected onto queer communities rather than addressing the real cultural norms which allow abuse to persist.
Your last sentence is definitely the heart. The grooming thing is just another stupid right wing scare tactic. Another way to be distracted from the real issues. How do they explain gay people that come out of super religious environments? The only thing "gay grooming" causes is less sexist and more tolerant people.
@@bonne_vie no one is saying every gay person is groomed into it. you are, like everyone around you, imagining a situation and getting mad at it.
@@none11flop9 lol go into any conservative comment section about any lgbtq post or even any education post and you’ll se the are in fact calling teachers and any person with positive lgbtq views groomers
@@none11flop9 if you believe that there are straight kids being "groomed" into being gay then surely there are gay kids being "groomed" into being straight (this happens quite often actually, as a lot of parents dont want their children or dont expect their children to be gay and then double down in trying to convince their children that they are straight). Where is the energy for this kind of "grooming"?
@@juanitacanon3120 it is still unbelievable how you are imagining my positions on a subject by a basic misunderstanding on reading comprehension. read my first reply again, what you wrote is absolutely not contradicting anything I did.
im very interested to see how children who grew up under the spotlight of the internet grow up to be like. it's something completely new. social media is really something. some "people" make me sick.. it's disgusting to share a planet with them.
It scares me to see that people are still thinking that children can consent
Those psychos from the P.E.I are absolutely insane
Very good video by the way
Love from France!
You talk about the agency/freedom of men and them not wanting to lose that but I think "control" would be better fitting. Abusive men love having control over other people (women as well but statistically it's much less common) as it makes them feel 'like a man'. Whatever that is supposed to mean 🙄
Also there's absolutely no way my 15 year old self had any idea what she really wanted and needed, so these peds are deluding themselves if they think a child can truly consent to be with their crusty ass.
They're not deluding themselves, they're deluding others. They know exactly what it means and it is exactly what attracts them -- helplessness and the ability to control.
@@nanajiloh You hit the nail in the head. That's why they've been pushing to have themselves framed as a sexual orientation. You have to be careful not to fall into the language trap. The minute you group pdf files with sexual orientation they gain a win. I can't believe today it has to be explained why being against a person who wants to ... a child is not discrimination or the next civil rights movement.
@Healing Misogynist WTFFF your freedom should always stop where the freedom of the other begins. Why would you need control over other people. That's not a need not a cause of real suffering.
@Healing Misogynist How about you help yourself and deal with your own responsibilities like a responsoble adult and make excuses you're man not a boy. Grow up
@Healing Misogynist ?????
10-15 years from now ‘what it was like growing up w a mommy blogger’ is gonna be the new ‘why I left buzzfeed’
Well, I imagine it would have lots in common with the range of troubles/issues of child actors, but dialed up to 20 because it's the internet
Thanks for talking about this, it's not something which is pleasant to do in any way but it's really important that light is being shed on this. It makes me uncomfortable seeing kids on social media posts at all, they can't consent and the predatory behavior of people who actively seek out this have their lives made easier by this lack of boundaries
Not so long ago I saw a person who was very much pro normalising adult-child relationships, citing papers from the 80's and saying how it benefits the child, it was so f**ked up, and now I see exactly where it came from, it's crazy
Was the author a certain Polan Romansky, a researcher of degenerate sexual mores? I think he had something to do with satanism too, that weirdo (if we're talking about the same guy).
These creeps are even attempting to normalise the attitude of pedophiles and pedophilia by being P0l-it-c@ll-y c0RRecT by calling them maps (minor attracted person). If anyone says they are a map call them out for what they are either a Pedophile or a hebephile because their attempts to normalise and hide behind such word is unfortunately becoming prevelant now.
(Sorry for the weird written way of such certain word at the top youtube won't let me type up the word normally as they will take down this comment.)
@@funanimation8253 Hebephilia. There's an interesting word. ;)
Some people have no shame at all, it’s crazy
@@MegaMaxiepad I am one of them. There's nothing in this world more beautiful than hebes/lollies.
This is such a well-researched, written and communicated video. It was... fascinating? in a horrific way? to hear about p*dophilia in France and how disgustingly normalised it was, as it's something I never knew about it. Subscribed.
Really difficult topic to talk about (or to listen to on my part), but your choice of topics and your angles are always so engaging. Thank you for the wonderful quality content
I am french like and I believe that our country has had a problem with this issue for while. It is starting to get better ....but still !!
You can still get more years of prison for dealing drugs than doing what you are mentioning. It is sickening.
it’s a problem in every country, not just France unfortunately… I’m from the us and I’ve been seeing videos of young girls recording themselves in public, and being approached by older men… ugh
Disturbing. :(
These poor young kids.
This is so sick.
Very courageous woman speaking facts and truths. I wanted to know why youtube is allowing thier platform to promote this issues. Thank you for your information and guidance on this matter. Protect this woman at all costs!
I used to watch family vlogs ALL THE TIME. It never occurred to me about the creeps. Until the accusations about Benji’s brother came out. I am surprised they are still vlogging, but a part of me would miss them.
I don’t have children but a lot of nieces and nephews. I don’t post them on social media at all.
yes! This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
Could you explain to me who's Benji? I'm from Argentina and I don't know who any of these vloggers are and I'd want to look up that case you mentioned. Thank you!
@@Martha_My_Dear He is the husband in the vlogging channel ItsJudysLife that was mentioned in this video
@@Martha_My_Dear benji is the husband of Judy of itsjudyslife and the father to their 5 kids. A few years back his brother Julian was accused by their cousin of SA, his wife Amy also accused him of being abusive towards her and he allegedly also molested their oldest son. I used to watch their channel religiously as a young teen and even tho I stopped before the allegations came out, it’s definitely changed my perspective of the entire family and is the reason why I will never watch them again…
who actually is the intended audience for infant/toddler related content? as a pregnant woman, i can't imagine being that invested in somebody else's kids that i'd sit and watch them get their braces taken off or try on new outfits, nor can can i think of any other mentally well person that would be. it takes about ten seconds to realize this stuff primarily appeals to pedophiles, creeps, trolls, and possibly someone's desperately lonely grandmother. and there's NO WAY that the moms that run these channels and accounts aren't aware of that.
As hard as it is for me to understand as someone who completely lacks maternal instincts, some people genuinely love babies and kids so much that they’ll watch videos of them just to relax and unwind. It’s exactly the same as people who watch videos of cute animals for the same reason. There’s nothing sinister or weird about it. Of course, that doesn’t mean that posting tons of photos and videos of your kids online is a good idea. Even men sometimes watch these types of videos innocently, believe it or not. My dad is a genuinely kind man who adores children, and 90% of the time when he sends me “cute” or “funny” videos online, it’ll be a video of a baby dancing or a kid saying something he thinks is funny. I don’t understand the appeal, and you’re right to be suspicious, but don’t underestimate the number of normal adults who watch videos of kids and babies for totally innocent reasons.
@@StephanieLeighG your right, your right, however you will not catch me videoing my child, because it just opens the door for creepers and they are watching, replaying, zooming in, not me!
When i was a child on the internet i watched a lot of family content. I related to the kids and on a lot of family channels the comments used to be children. unsure what it is now because kids content can’t have comments anymore. there are normal people who watch family content.
Yes, we are the primary audience. What's bad about that?
The only people who probably aren't watching it to be creepy are other children, (who have a parasocial relationship with the kids the way an adult does with the Kardashians) that is the ONLY group I can think of.
Thanks to your video I finally understand why “peddies” was so prevalent in political discussions in France and why many intellectuals backed them up. Thank you so much! /pos
Hi! Referring to the "involvement of parents" and the Julia Roberts's outfit: you specifically stated "the Mother" when referring to the responsibility of protecting one's child from S.A./ predators. People of all genders, including the man in a heterosexual partnership, should be equally responsible when they have children together (together as in biologically or otherwise). No hate, just a comment on the use of socialized gender roles and the harm that it could potentially do.
I was thinking the same, you explained it perfectly
Yes!! I was surprised to hear that, once again, it was all on women/mothers to carry the burden.
Well to add some nuance to your point, Alice mentioned TH-cam channels run by mothers. So I get why Alice focuses on the mother. I agree with you though.
You make a good point. It is true tho that the conditions we're under have the onus on the mother and in these examples that's who's involved. I think that's why mother was said here.
Yes, exactly, the father should react to that, if he saw it, meaning if he's present in the child's life and if there is a legal father in the first place.
I did not know that, in regards to the French culture in the 60s and 70s, it is shocking to me. I was molested first when I was about 4, no one had to tell me it was wrong...I KNEW it, I FELT it on such a fundamental level. Pedists often try to say it is natural, an extension of love... but I knew it wasn't.
I felt apathetic to being sexually abused. I think a lot of it comes from society. That isn't to say it was OK or good, it was abusive, it wasn't consensual but it wasn't traumatic either. I just think society traumatised CSA victims more by how they treat them.
I’m younger than most instagram mommy bloggers, but I remember growing up I was seriously not allowed to have any social media before I turned 13 and well after there was a general understanding that you should never post your face, your real name, your age, or your location where strangers could find it. now moms are posting their kid’s bikini shots in 4k with their full legal name, date of birth and what school they go to. insane behaviour.
This video about to blow up I can tell.
I think about this when I see moms letting their very young daughters (toddler age) use "beauty filters" and stuff. I find it so gross. Like, I understand they think it's just having fun, but all you're doing is putting the impression in a young girls mind that their face isn't pretty enough. So weird.
yes! This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
Much needed video on this platform. This topic generally doesn't get discussed and thus causes more harm to society than it could. Thank you.
A good example of how parents often turn away from pedophilia is the movie An Education. Sure, Jenny isn't a small child, she's 16, but we still see her parents practically have no opposition to her dating David, in fact they encourage it. It really shines a light on how in more traditional families, relationships between teenage girls and "older, mature men" are often encouraged because they believe that an older man is good for the young girl, a sentiment deeply rooted in chauvinism and patriarchal beliefs, and which exposes one of the many unacknowledged and yet common sides of pedophilia.
This is the first video I’ve seen from you and I’m just impressed you covered so much ground in such a short video. Especially that mini dive into the history of motherhood. Also, I like studying languages, so it was really fun to listen to your accent, explaining something I’m interested in!
I wish parents would limit and monitor their children’s social media access. It’s a sick sick world
There shouldn’t be a toddler influencer 🤢
That last part made me think about Dutch Supermodel Doutzen Kroes, who claims to be a feminist but uses the 'save the children' rethoric to lure people towards anti-vaccination and Qanon. Chilling stuff
I dont know about Qanon but its ok to be hesitant about giving a new vaccine to kids considering how small-scale the studies have been and the data doesn't show that they are particularly vulnerable, they are at a way higher risk of dying or getting injured in car accidents than from Covid. I suppose you believe in bodily autonomy...? Coming from a tripled vaxxed and currently severely injured from my last vax that i havent been able to report into the VAERS system that the CDC has confessed not to have been monitoring for adverse effects to adjust the vax safety data as they previously said they would do... sounds pretty safe right? good luck. Source freedom of info act
wow I know who Doutzen Kroes is but I wasn't aware of all that. She seemed so level headed too, haven't been following her since the pandemic and somehow missed all of her harmful discourse
I really hope this video gets more traction: this information is important and despite it being a hard topic to stomach, *thats the POINT* - it's disgusting and a *real* issue that people need to understand.
Thank you for structuring it so well and having the balls to do so
very interesting and informative video. in the uk in primary school i remember being taught internet safety (not posting pictures of yourself in places where your location could be deducted, not sharing where you go to school, your full name) while they were posting pictures of us on their website without asking sharing what we look like, our full name, school, year group. i always had a problem with this and i even asked my teachers to not post pictures of me on their website, yet they still did.
I came here thinking it was just another commentary on child exploitation, your ideas carry so much more than just that. This is one of the best videos I’ve seen in the past year on TH-cam
If you have children I suggest NEVER put they're photos online even if it's a private account for family only. Just don't do it ever, there's tons of pictures of me my mom has put online just to save them off the old camera we had and it just makes me uncomfortable to know my ugly childhood pics are online (where you can also see my bad fashion taste as a kid)
Photos are for photo albums that's just that.
Thank you so much for this video. It’s hugely important there is awareness around this
appreciating the addressing of the french intellectual petition thing, it comes up so much more than is reasonable when talking about any of their ideas and it's good to have a frame of reference
Alice this video is so important. Im shocked and sickened by the history of this that has been largely hidden. Thank you for your amazing work, pls keep it up. 💗
Wow this was so dark. I’m so tired of being alive
If I had a child I'd never post any photo of him/her
I have a feeling this is one of the few times that I have been REALLY early on the channel. So excited!
same
I posted a video of me and my friend doing a dance routine to TH-cam when we were 13. The comments that ADULTS were making about our bodies are stuck in my head to this day and I’m 27 now. It was so disturbing.
that is why social media should be banned for children.
All those horrid interviews in the 60s with those disgusting men... Like I bet itd be far less tolerated if a normal picture of a small child was beside them for the audience to be constantly reminded of what they want to violate.
What pisses me off is the oversharing of information regarding private moments such as toilet training (there’s hundreds of videos of children on the toilet) and that should never be publicly shared including various methods (such as a 3 day method which requires a child to be fully naked and confined to a house with other family members in order to be fully trained). It’s so invasive
This video is more profound than just the subject at hand. It's an epidemic. Social media manipulates people to do things because of the gratifying nature of likes, subs, follows and money.
I once met this about 25 year old man when I was 15 and we grew a “relationship” online. Thankfully. Thank god it was online. But I never realized how creepy and /sneaky smart he was. The entire time knowing him he would tell me and dream about moving to Japan with me. And I JUST now realized it’s probably cause the age of consent is 13 over there…what a freak.
The things that people make for money, fame, or social media points, is just disgusting. Private lifes should stay private, cause there are algorithms out there wishing to profit from people weaknesses, flaws, and other worse things as you point out.
Yours isn't the first I see about this, and I agree: There's a big problem out there that the people responsible to solve are unwilling to do so, cause they are making money out of it.
Thanks for not putting music in the video. Music can often make the topic discussed seem less serious even tho it is.
I would hate if instead of a photo album my mom had posted my whole childhood to strangers on the internet. I'm happy I'm from the 90s
je laisse rarement de commentaires sur youtube mais je viens de te découvrir dans mes recommandations, tu expliques super bien, le rythme est super, je me suis abonnée direct ! merci d'avoir si bien traité ce sujet sensible, keep going ❤️
I'd have to disagree with the idea that self-objectification is liberating for adult women. Reducing one's self to a sexual object always involves giving away those aspects of personhood for use by other people's desires, and that's not liberating. Additionally, it erases the other aspects of personhood, which is also repression. Just because they're putting on the shackles themselves doesn't mean they're not being exploited. However, this is different from expressing sexuality.
I have to disagree that you can dictate what another person finds liberating.
@@bouclechocolat Yeah, I can't decide how people experience stuff; I was just looking at the dynamics of the situation.
I've just discovered your channel. Very impressive. The ideas and research are so well done. You articulate your thinking so well.
Yea
This video must be your best one so far! Amazing perspective, amazing exposition and argumentation. You just expanded my world, bouche bée.
I genuinely think kids especially those under the age of 16 should have limited access to the internet especially social media. I definitely think having access to TH-cam and other websites since the age of 6 or 7 while giving me some good (access to both art tutorials and music education stuff) has definitely harmed aspects of my mental health and has made me an overall more anxious and insecure person in some aspects.
it should be outright banned for children. look at the mental illness rates in the western world....
I saw an account on tiktok of a little girl skateboarder. She skateboarded in dresses with no shorts on under. Two of the videos had a shot of her underwear showing as the thumbnail previews. Guess which two videos had three times more views than the rest. 🤢
so many of the people in that room look old enough to have kids, how on earth can they listen to someone almost take pride in being a predator and not get absolutely enraged? if someone did something like that to my child i would be going to prison
There really needs to be a solid line drawn on what’s appropriate online, I keep hearing about parents leaving their kids on the internet and exposure to nsfw content and due to there not being a proper system in place to detect and remove CP it can just be uploaded wherever without consequences.
Great video! It is clear a lot of work was done contextual using the issue and how discussion around it has played out.
I think we should keep in mind that the same dilemmas arise regarding consent. Thirteen year-olds are permitted to have social media accounts and are largely pressured into engaging online in these spaces. As a society, we should seriously question if teenagers understand what they are sharing to the world. Nobody can discern who is playing the weird timestamps on otherwise benign videos; what can be done is not posting that video. It is huge regression to curtail the access to social media for kids, but, personally, I think that is one society needs to make.
All that said, some form of discussion with kids about predators is essential. Abstract the concepts - do what you need to do - but it is essential for kids to stay safe. The online space has an entirely different dynamic, and there is a lot one can do to prevent dangerous situations.
idk if it was coincidence or you’ve recently been inspired by newly discovered peddies but either way this topic needs to me more talked about.
there is so much to it - the crazy justifications, the rich and influential getting away with it still and just the sickest comparison with lgbt+ community
This has worried me immensely for a long time. I urge anyone interested in learning more about this worrying topic to listen to Sam Harris conversation w Gabriel Dance about the global epidemic of child sexual abuse. They go into the scale of the problem which is way bigger than people think, the fact that based on the data is seems that due to "industrial strength porn" numbing effects originally non pedos are consuming and then becoming pedo, problems w incription, VPNs etc as well. Relevant to anyone that spends time on the internet.
I’m here for the ideas!! You’re amazing, never stop creating 💕 thank you for opening a discussion around this important topic, very well done.
Very much agree with you. It was really interesting to learn about the history. Especially in regards to French culture. I'm still horrified at whatever was the dynamic between Serge Gainsbourg and his daughter. Like... those songs make me so uncomfortable.
Personally I'm not gonna have kids and I have no interest in family vlogs (cause to me, children are really annoying), so I struggle to comprehend who this content is for other than p.
The way progressive Twitter acts around the topic, sometimes annoys me a bit though. There's a strong tendency to call 17 year-old people "children" and to treat them as if they were 8. If a 20 yo dates a 17 yo , it is really not the same as them dating a 10 yo. This also manifests in the really weird countdowns to 18th birthdays. As if there was any material difference between the person at 18 and them at 17 and 360 days. I don't know how this can be looked at with nuance, but it annoys me. I feel like Twitter hunting down people who dared to say that a 17 yo was hot, is a distraction from looking at and trying to solve real issues with pedy.
TLDR; I agree it's not the same issue, but teens being treated inappropriately should still be taken seriously.
It's no doubt that issues of peddies toward pre-pubscent kids is much worse and a bigger danger in that teenagers have more knowledge and agency to avoid inappropriate relationships, but a 17 year old can still be groomed and taken advantage of. Even if the reaction isn't nearly as visceral as a 6 year old for the idea of experiencing something horrible, it's still better for people in their 20s to view teens of that age as much younger, because those relationships would rarely end well due to life experience difference between the two ages and the fact that one is still growing but the other is not, at least not in the same regard.
@@melodye14 Certainly, 17 yo teenagers can be groomed, but in my mind, so can an 18 yo. Because it's not like the brain and how it works suddenly switches at 18. The brutal cut off doesn't make sense. For me, a 50 year old who "dates" an 18 year old is creepy too; and it can be very damaging to that 18 year old. To me there's a gradual transition between the ages of 15 and 22 maybe, when people's autonomy grows, there sense of self develops, their assertiveness develops,... And I don't know how we decide at which point things are ok or not, but I find the 18th birthday cut off really weird.
In my country, age of consent is 16, so a 20 year old can date a 16 year old. But there's a special status, where if a 16 or 17 yo goes to the police and accuses their adult partner, it is automatically considered statutory r*, even if the 16 yo had said yes in the moment (same as it would be for a younger teen). But for 16 and 17 yo, this determination can only be made by the teen themselves. Parents, or anyone else cannot speak for the teen. This gives 16/17 yo teenagers the autonomy to decide if what happens is ok or not, rather than their parents. Also prevents horrible stories like I've heard in the US of parents who disapprove of who their 17 yo child is dating, and the moment the partner turns 18, the parents go to the police (I read a story of a lesbian couple this happened to, because parents were homophobic).
A 20 year old has no business dating a 17 year old. You just exposed yourself.
@@loyisad1211 I broadly agree but not every country has the same laws as the US. In the UK, our age of consent is 16 thus a 20yr old and 17yr old would indeed be dating legally
@@TheChlozie Sure, that's the age of consent but that doesn't make it any less weird. This is pretty close to those weirdos saying how it's totally ok to s*xualize a minor in for example: anime, since supposedly 'the age of consent is thirteen in japan so its not wrong11!!1!1!' And no 20 year old should even be thinking about dating a minor as SOON as they turn the age of consent. That's literally just predatory behavior, so this argument doesn't really make sense. 🤷🏾♀️
It’s terrifying that this is such a big problem now hand that no one is taking it seriously that is needed to stop this
omg i'm only like ten seconds in and i'm Scared™ about what i'm about to learn...
People should seriously stop putting any pictures of their kids on the internet. Goddamn it I'm embarrassed when my mom wants to show old pics of me to my friends/new girlfriend, all these poor people gonna have their whole kid life exposed to the internet forever and have old men jack off to them it's messed up. There should be law preventing any parent posting pics of their kids online at all because they are unable to consent.
the creeps are out there.
the internet gave them a whole new hunting ground
As an American in France I am sorry but the way a lot of French people talk about relationships with under age people, particularly girls, is way more normalised. It was quite shocking. Also, met several young "progressives" that casually defend directors like Polonsky...