While a good analysis, I think you overlooked something that A LOT of people have overlooked with MCU Thanos: His ego. His ego, to me, is firmly why he's a villain. In listening to how he talks about his plan and what inspired it, there's this lingering sense of spite and pettiness to it. "They called me a madman and what I predicted came to pass." He has it in his head that if they just listened to him, everything would've worked out. If only they just recognized him instead of writing him off and realized he was right. If only they listened. That's the thing about Thanos and his "logic" regarding his plans. Most of his arguments boil down to "I'm right." Endgame, while presenting a younger Thanos for most of the runtime, really shows what actually drives him. When the Avengers ambush Present Thanos at the beginning of the film, what does he say? "You should be grateful!" and when he expresses his plans to shred down the universe and rebuild it, he caps it off by proclaiming that it would be "a grateful universe." Even when discussing his plans to Strange in IW, he mentions that he would watch the sun rise on a "grateful universe." For all his logic and faux compassion, that's what matters to Thanos, that he be finally recognized as the one who knew how to save everyone. This is evident in his first scene in IW, "I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're RIGHT, yet to fail, nonetheless." To me, this just shows that at the end of the day, Thanos is still burned by the fact that he was written off as a madman. This is why, for such a compassionate sounding and seemingly run-by-logic being, he has such flashes of sadism and spite when personally involved in battle and murder. This is why each time we see him shredding planets, we always hear Maw hyping him up about what an honor it is to be "saved" by him. Because it isn't run by logic or compassion anymore, but a desire to finally be seen as right all along. Whether or not Thanos realizes this is up for debate, but to me, this is who Thanos was by the end: a spiteful and petty being who wanted to BE right instead of DO right.
Yeah, once I heard the idea wasn't that Thanos WAS right, but that he had an all-consuming need to PROVE he was right, a lot of inconsistencies fell into place.
@@trevorhunt9547 he may even be right but that doesn't give him the right to kill innocent people pretending it was for the greater good, that's only his God complex..
Speaking of killing Loki, I love this small piece of dialogue at the beggining of IW, where Loki claims himself as Odins son. As he has forgiven Odin and accepts himself as his heir. And nobody is forcing him to do that. Thanos doens't give two sh*ts for how Loki sees himself. It's almost more like an apology to Thor for everything he has put them trough. Just a small piece of dialogue but I think it adds so much to the scene and to Loki.
That's why he's a compelling villain. He isn't angry at the world or the people he's fighting. He is a man with a goal in mind and WILL achieve that goal no matter what. It's why his victory was all but assured in Infinity War. He was so focused and confident (and inherently stronger than the heroes in 1 on 1 situations), having the stones just made him unstoppable. But in Endgame, he lets his emotions take over and is no longer focused on his goal, and instead grows some hatred towards the people he's fighting, leading to many mistakes which cause him to lose.
Syndrome from the incredibles is a damn good one too; he too was close to completing his plans but was lost to his idol that rejected him as a kid not understanding the dangers of hero work.
I would say he definitely enjoyed testing those he came into conflicts with. All the hostages situations, were for him to prove the avengers/guardians weren’t really willing to lose it all for the stones. Peter with Gamora, torturing Nebula for Gamora, Strange and Iron man. I think with Wanda, she may have been someone he tried taking up as a “Child of Thanos” seeing how he even comforts her after she destroys Vision, respecting her for actually going through with losing someone for their cause
Thanos definitely did enjoy his tests as can be seen with the whole Peter and Gamora instance. He could’ve just taken her and fled but he purposely delayed his plans to see if Peter was willing to do what was necessary. Pragmatically it was a waste of time but his own sadism and curiosity allowed him to spare a few minutes to lay out his tests. If I had to guess I think he likes to put people in difficult positions just to see how many of them possess a similar will to his. He likes to compare himself to others and if they respond how he would he offers approval, like how he said he liked Peter after he tried to shoot Gamora. Ultimately it’s an ego trip and a sadistic exercise. Thanos wants to feel assured that he is one of the few people in the galaxy who can bear what he plans to do.
Quil did fire at gamora though, thanos even says "i like him" after. I fully agree thanos was testing their will and how far they would go in their goals and measure their wills against his own, but Quil definitely passed his test.
The other one that Thanos did test was Loki. When he asked for the Tesseract, he was threatening Loki to kill Thor. He did that as he would like to see how strong is Loki "willingness" in terms of hiding the Tesseract. That's why he was enjoying the dilemma that Loki was having, either save Thor and give up the Tesseract or the other way around.
I'd say, by definition, he was the Protagonist in Infinity War. He had all the tropes of one and even succeeded in his mission where the Avengers failed.
That's one thing I love about him as a character. On paper, he's just a warlord using child soldiers to gain power and commit genocide. But he's been around long enough to use his "wisdom" to convince himself that no matter how cruel he acts, he's doing the right thing. The children he kidnapped and forced to fight for him, he believes he loves them even though he doesn't bat an eye as 4 of the 6 are killed, tortures another and kills another one himself to complete "his mission" We see his cruelty time and time again, and hear it discussed in greater detail like the cyberization of nebula or the genocide of the dwarves. The dude is evil, but he not only convinced himself that his goals were noble but good chunk of the audience. And when you watch the eternals and learn more about his origin... it's even more tragic because he could have used that wisdom and skill for good had he not been broken in the way he was
One defining characteristic is that when the second Thanos knows he lost, he just sits down and waits for the inevitable. No cursing, no rage, just a last moment of personal peace.
Because he knows his failure is due to his own ego. If he had just remained in a level-headed demeanor like in Infinity War, he would come out on top every time. Dr. Strange found the 1 timeline where Thanos lost his cool.
I feel Thanos in Endgame is very diffrent from the one we got in Infinite war. In Endgame, he seems less compassionate, more cruel and wicked. He even says he'll enjoy stopping earth.
Because he’s already seen himself win. Thus he gains a different level of ego and impatience that leads to his downfall. That’s typically why he causes his own downfall in the comics as well. He gets overzealous and let’s his ego cloud his judgment. He miscalculates and causes his own downfall. When he is on his game like in IW he is nigh unstoppable. Once he lets his guard down, he’s beatable.
@@TheIcemanthomas true, also another reason for his downfall was his need for a "counter force" to his argument. He intentionally wanted to see how the universe would defend itself or push back his ideology. This is why he find Tony Stark to be a worthy rival. He wanted the ultimate victory of ideology, he wanted the universe to throw everything at him and win.
I once read a comment that made a intriguing point that what if Infinity War is what we are witnessing the whole journey from Thanos's point of view and Endgame is what we are viewing the journey from the Avengers's point of view
uhhhhhhhhh no. He's not, it's just Endgame just showcases his TRUE SELF. I really LOVED the way they did Thanos in Endgame. I didn't see it as a betrayal of his established character so much as a revelation of his true nature. Thanos says he's saving the universe, and I think he believes it, but at the same time his actions don't always quite mesh with his stated ideals. He claims to be motivated by mercy and benevolence, but he clearly enjoys messing with people (specifically, he enjoys having total power over others) -- first, when he takes the time to bare-knuckle box with the Hulk (which Maw explicitly says is for fun), and later when he completely unnecessarily torments both Starlord and Gamorra, forcing Starlord to have to choose to kill her before revealing that he himself was in control the whole time. My feeling about Thanos is that he's a lot like Light Yagami, who claims to be sacrificing himself to make a better world, but in reality is just a psychopathic serial killer with a literal god complex. He uses and betrays the people who trust him without a trace of remorse -- in fact, he pretty clearly enjoys what he's doing, one time going so far as to tell his victim who he was -- just so he could see her reaction when she realized she was going to die. In summary, my impression of Thanos is that he's basically an exaggerated take on an abusive parent figure -- most easily seen by his relationship with his "children," most notably Nebula. He claims to act on others' behalf, to be making the"grown up" decisions that no one else can or will, but every time he encounters resistance (with the apparent exception of Gamorra) he reacts with vengeful spite, the hallmark of a bruised pride. So it's hardly any surprise that when Thanos encounters defiance -- in his mind, ungratefulness for his salvation -- that he immediately reverts to punishing, stripping down, and rebuilding the universe just like he's been doing to Nebula all along. (I promised myself I was done rambling, but I have one thing left to add: this side of Thanos is why he destroys the stones in the first place. He originally thought he would settle for wiping out half of all life, but once he found himself alone with his thoughts he realized that the temptation to keep using them would inevitably be too great. He doesn't destroy them to protect us from some other villain. He destroys them to protect us from himself. -- The best example of Thanos' true character in Infinity War is directly after he beats down the Hulk. When he kills Loki for failing him. Throughout the film, Thanos makes all these claims about how he wants to save the universe, how he's helping people, how he thinks he's being merciful. But in this one moment, we see the true Thanos: A tyrannical madman who derives physical pleasure from literally strangling the life out of someone, to the point where it makes him audibly exhale from the endorphin rush. That was always the intention.
Yes the future thanos is different from the past thanos, they aren’t the same person. I will list why, for one the past one didn’t experience all the future events to come. While he does understand he does win in the future he becomes more reckless and too confident in his abilities. The future thanos had to slowly working his way to the event of the great snap. He didn’t know if he would win or not. It would be a constant battle and some of his followers would be killed. Future thanos had many significant losses including having to personally kill gamora in a dramatic an painful way. He on a lesser level lost some close comrade he respected and probably was sad not every one would reach the finish line with him. After gamora death I feel like he is greatly changed and not the same person. It’s like he’s been humbled and fate cost him a huge price for reaching the stars. So no, they aren’t the same. Also I feel like the end game thanos was In a war period. So he would be very much in a war type of mood.
He did a poor job, if I'm being honest. I think he misses the point wildly on Thanos. He frames him as a compassionate and overly logical being trying to do the right thing, but I think it's more accurate to say that he's just butthurt over the fate of Titan and being ignored and condemned, and wants to prove he was right by imposing his solution on the universe at large.
You should’ve mentioned Nebula, since she was literally tortured and made into a mechanical monstrosity due to Thanos’ cold and callous nature. That would’ve been a better way to let us know how evil Thanos really is.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 being uncaring isn’t evil, but torturing and essentially breaking an individual down (keep in mind this was his “daughter” in a sense) is quite evil. In Endgame, we see how Nebula is essentially breaking down when in Thanos’ presence (past Nebula anyway), and Nebula’s monologue about how Thanos would make her and Gamora fight and then use cybernetics to enhance and torture her every time she lost to the point where Thanos took her *brain from her fucking skull* is more than evil in my opinion. Edit: her monologue was in Gaurdians 2, when she and the pirate guy are alone before she decides to leave the Ravagers. Watch that scene again and tell me Thanos wasn’t evil in that respect.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Kidnaping a child and forcing them to grow up and be a murderer by pitting them against their adoptive sibling and torturing them is evil, regardless of weather he enjoyed it or not.
@@anatoldenevers237 he made gamora and nebula spar with each other, and he did what he did to nebula so she doesn’t have to be second to her sister, she can be equal instead
@@HTMN161 I know why he did it, but that doesn't excuse it. He took children from their homes after slaughtering half of their people, forced them to fight and tortured and mutilated Nebula against her will.
It's important to differentiate MCU Thanos from his comic book counterpart. While they are the same character, their ultimate goal and portrayal is completely different. MCU Thanos is obsessed with balance, and he believes that the universe can only be saved through impartial, fair genocide so that the surviving half will have enough resources and living space to prosper. He acts like he's forced to disintegrate trillions to save trillions, and always try to justify his actions, even when he's dead wrong. Here's an example: someone with a tormented conscience and with all that blood on their hands for "the greater good" would have never smiled as they were ripping the Mind Stone from Vision's head, and then toss him away like it was nothing. Another difference is that, according to Marvel Studios, MCU Thanos was designed and portrayed as a character without significative weaknesses. Comic book Thanos, on the other hand, has a more selfish reason. Thanos is obsessed by death, so much that he falls in love with Lady Death herself, and his ultimate goal is to achieve a source of absolute, god-like power so that he can be worthy of his love interest. The iconic snap, brought so many times in Infinity War and Endgame, is used just once in the comics, to express just how powerful Thanos is, and all he requires is a snap of his fingers to cancel half of the universe. After all, you don't need a special move to use the powers of the Infinity Gauntlet. But there's the catch: the exact moment Thanos gain this kind of power, he unwittingly becomes more powerful than Death, and that's something that Lady Death can't abide. So no matter how many times he tries, he's destined to fail because he values himself so much. And then there's one of the most absurd comic book weaknesses of all time: Thanos's "subconscious desire to lose". Whether he wants it or not, in the end Thanos is defeated by his opponents because, deep down, he doesn't see himself worthy of the power he seeks, and he wish to be stopped. Clearly you can't be able to properly adapt such an abstract and weird condition to a movie villain. After all, MCU Thanos did win.
I think the comic weakness of Thanos is still analyzable in the MCU when you think of it as his “death-drive”, especially regarding the past trauma of his planet that led him to his goals. After all the term “Thanatos” is often used interchangeably with the concept and I think it’s still pretty integral to his character in the movies as well, just way less on the nose and silly as it is in the original Infinity Gauntlet story
Another thing that makes thanos pretty damn terrifying? Think about what he was doing before he gathered the stones. He was going from planet to planet and manually slaughtering and wiping out half the population. And he did this for years and years. Good lord.
Its funny because in the comics, there is a Christmas annual I think where he lets Gamora celebrate the holiday and is conflicted about his growing feelings for her as a sorta daughter and monologues about the idea of connection with other beings. It ends with him throwing a doll he had for her in the trash I think? It was interesting in the comics that Thanos struggled with the idea that perhaps all he ever wanted was a genuine love and connection with others. In a sense his journey into Infinity Gauntlet is an existential journey over "Wants to bang death," he literally died before Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers 88? I think and was happy in non existence in Death's realm, his return though is more about him finding meaning through the Gauntlet and finding that through warped perceptions of concepts like Love and Power.
@@Ashguy733 it actually reminds me a bit of momento, how the main dude has the answers but his ego is as much a hindrance to his efforts as his real disability.
It is great see a blockbuster movie villain that is multidimensional and has ideas that makes you think if they could be right. Great villain and surely evil. One thing to add from recent Eternals movie, his brother was Eros and an Eternal, so that might have some implications to his origin. Great video as always.
I dont know if this is intentional, but when Thanos implements his genocidal plan, he "snaps". This could be construed as a play on words, as in he both literally and figuratively snaps, and the reason he is so hellbent on killing half the universe is because he cant bring himself to admit there may have been another way to save his people, not to mention the trauma of losing everyone he ever knew.
One small point about the Titan issue: We only have Thanos' word for Titan's issues. Absent any other information, it's as likely that Thanos *believed* that Titan would eventually fall to ruin, as Malthus did on Earth in his day, but, his claims falling on deaf ears, instead destroyed Titan himself. Personal headcanon to be sure, but it certainly fits with his motivations in other movies, such as his desire to rule Earth and so on.
Thanos was the ultimate Malthusian. Though, I always wondered... if the Gauntlet gives you infinite power, then instead of eliminating half the universe why not make the resources infinite?
Because he’s the ultimate Malthusian, and thus doesn’t understand that resources need people to be actually made useful, and that people are not just pure consumers
Because the movie is propaganda for the idiot masses. Our entire ecnonomic system and ways of life are driven by fear and scarcity while the government hides advanced knowledge and technology from us because they want us to be enslaved permanently. Look at the Georgia guidestones. I mean you do know that the deepstate and intelligence agencies/darpa are lightyears ahead of us and controlled by psychopaths. As one example in 1969 Jose Delgado perfected brainchips to an extent he was doing wireless brain machine interfacing, now we have Elon Musk marketing us brainchips for 2025. Why not let the public have this back in 1969, well think of how that would put big pharma and psychiatrists out of business. They just dont let us know about it. Human beings live in total slavery and ignorance and this movie and its plot is just one example of them controlling how the masses are allowed to think, that some might agree with Thanos or think something like this would need to happen on Earth because they have no concept of Zero point energy tech or energy medicine or replicators able to make anything.
The fact that he didn't want to make resources infinite is proof that Thanos didn't care about saving the universe, he only cared about proving he was right about how to save Titan.
He just an egostic mass murderer who want to kill people, the other thing is that Malthus is dumb the problem was never the populations but the greed that capitalism brings in human nature..
I enjoyed this, but at 12:08, I have to disagree with that, he clearly isn't enjoying torturing Nebula, when he does it, he hangs his head and grimaces, it's hurting him, emotionally to do it, but he feels he has to. And when Gamora caves in, Thanos stops instantly, and his face and body language show relief, and not triumph.
Desperation, fear, isolation and resentment can inflict huge damage to a person and the fact Thanos carried that around for centuries is incredible. His plan is undoubtedly wrong but it makes sense given where he came from
In regards to the mcu, I suggest doing an analysis on Kilgrave from Jessica Jones. His infatuation for her and his vile actions make him a perfect candidate.
Yes, he's an interesting character. It doesn't help he's played by David Tennant, but his evil is so weirdly affable. He's very, very scary but kind of likable at the same time.
I'd really enjoy your take on Adrian Veidt. The film version is similar enough to the graphic novel, too. He's sort of a more localized Thanos. And, considering the traits of each of the characters, you could even analyze Rorschach or maybe the Comedian.
Thanos is such a great villain and it’s nice that a major blockbuster franchise was able to put this much thought into his development as a character! He set a high bar for villains going forward that I don’t think will be topped for a while.
You should consider covering Idi Amin from the Last King of Scotland. Terrifying villain based on the real dictator of Uganda and is Whitaker's best ever performance.
Yeah that was a great role. A supet charismatic and friendly guy with such intensity, who you knew would just have you killed in an instant if he wanted to.
The thing about Thanos's plan is in many ways he also halved the resources. Half the crops were wiped out as their living, half the trees, half the worms that keep the soil healthy, half the microorganisms that regulate every person's gut and also keep soil healthy. Worse he screwed over fields that would have been relying on the nutrients from the decomposition of the crops planted on them, meaning they would be less able to support crops. In short the first couple years after the snap would have been very hard as the ecosystem recovered and the populations of these essential life forms recovered and started providing their resources again. Basically Thanos didn't have a very strong understanding of how resources form and while overpopulation of one species is harmful, underpopulation of another can be flat out devastating.
Yeah his plan really was just destroy everything and pretend like the fallout wouldn't exist. Like imagine all the problems that comes from just PEOPLE disappearing. Fires and ovens untended (also less firefighters), people driving cars and planes crashing (less firefighters AND paramedics), just so so much chaos and societal collapse with everyone in the world likely having more dead loved ones than living on top of ptsd and now we what.......rebuild? Sure thing. On top of that he didn't say half of every species he said half of all life. With emphasis on it being random. An entire species vital to a whole planet's ecosystem could just be gone. There's honestly no real logic to his plan period there never was it was just him getting the saltiest that they spurned him for having a shit idea and deciding to kill half the universe because constructive criticism happened to him.
@theviolater9231 they failed to show it in Infinity War, but it is shown in Endgame. There's a tree, and they make a point to show the place where the tree is repeatedly throughout the movie with no tree. After they undo the snap, suddenly tree with a nest and baby birds in it. The operating word in plant life is life. Thanos halved all life in the universe. He halved the plants, the animals, the bactiera. They also discuss how hard it was to get food early after the snap in areas that already struggle with resources people died. The sheer inviormental destruction is a large part of what drove the remaining people to work together on an unprecedented level, causing the trouble with the Flag Smashers in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. All life without parameters means all life, not just all sentient life.
@@hannahevertson8306If that was true, the forest in Wakanda during Infinity War would have seen a lot of trees turning into dust, but that didn’t happen. He must’ve selectively killed in the snap, the way Smart Hulk did it
@arishemthejudge6780 Or, and this is my bet, they didn't want to pay for the effect just to turn a tun of trees to dust. However, the writers have said the intent was all life no matter the kind. That's plant, microorganism, and animal. It is shown in the next movie, they've just gotten lazy.
Thanos is just an insane titan who thinks “this kitten coughed once, it’s as good as dead. Better put it out of its misery” and use that logic as an excuse to kill people
The problem with Thanos plan is that it isn’t a solution but simply a way to delay the inevitable, even after wiping out half of all life in the universe with a generation or two the numbers would be back to the same levels and he’d need to perform another snap. Granted that is what makes him a compelling villain in my mind because he is so clearly in the wrong even if the ends justify the means. Edit: oh good you touched on this later in the video.
An abundance of resources always leads to overconsumption. Eventually the peak of available resources is reached and begins to decline. What happens next is interesting. People actually begin to consume faster in an anxious scramble to hoard said resources. So while resources have peaked the consumption multiplies causing the resources to be depleted even faster. Recommend Jared Diamond's "The Last Tree Of Easter Island" as a study/lesson of this phenomenon.
One of the greatest villains of all time and truly fitting for the main villain of the Infinity Saga My favorite fight and interaction he has with any of the Avengers is easily Iron Man since Tony was preparing for Thanos since the first Avengers while Thanos knew and viewed him as his only and greatest threat to accomplishing his life long goal, some gods, sorcerers, and kings never could.
Thanos is the epitome of "means that become ends are never good ends". He wished to kill half the population of the universe to save it but after so many slain worlds he had lost sight of his original goal. Instead his goal became killing half of the universe's population.
I’d say his capabilities make him unique in his ethos a false prophet knows he’s false and convinces you he’s not Thanos is in a league of his own he never faltered in his ideology or goals and gave up power after achieving said goals
Thanos is a real fanatic, crazy moron whos plan doesn't bring what he wants to bring - balance. He is delusional, thinking that randomly deleting half of the population on every planet will solve issues. It will actually cause more issues. Shift of powers and chaos which will only result in old days being returned. He is no smart, nor a good villain. Disney wrote him so he doesn't provoke any negative feelings in viewers because they are trying to appeal do masses instead of delivering a good story. Thanos should be hated instead of empathize with. Disney knows what they are doing. Killing art for money and brainwashing people. Thanos, and other MCU villains, are one of the worst villains. MCU isn't marvel comics. Good villain would be Willem Defoe's Goblin, Heath Ledger's Joker, Jesse Eisenberg's Luthor (he portrays person with many, many issues who is pathetic, wants power, wants to prove that no one is good in this world. he fails ofc. Superman has a big heart)... MCU is trash.
@@HILAL19564 On surface level he was but if you give it a better thought you'll the fraud he is, trust me. He doesn't have knowledge because person with true knowledge and goals would have come up with a better idea and there could have been a chance of redemption. However, writers are too stupid. Imagine if 50% of population died on earth. Wars would start, true chaos, millions would die, Russia would invade countries. Shit like this. Thanos is stupid. Good villain is a general Zod in MOS. Or Steppenwolf in JL. He has clear motives and is actually simple instead of trying to be complex unlike Luthor in previous movie. He seeks redemption and place next to Darkseid but doesn't know that Darkseid doesn't care about him. He is a lost cute shark. If he had been more careful he could be redeemed. If only he saw true colors of Darkseid. Thanos kills the only person he loves the most just to kill more and destroy balance. He is a fanatic. Problem is in the way he is written and directed. He would be good if they had shown him in darker themes and colors provoking negative feeling in viewers because Thanos was never good. Also, stones are really stupid. Vision gets knowledge from the stone but Thanos gets nothing. After getting the last stone he should have seen truth about his intentions. MCU is trash.
I like the theory that after getting the mind stone he became aware of the celestials and there was one in Titan, so he gave the excuse of overpopulation to kill enough people so it couldn't be born. That would explain why he didn't bother with adding more resources of the universe whenever they started running low.
except it would be born eventually. so the plan is at best a temporary delay. its like pissing in your own mouth to prevent dying of thirst. im sure it would work for a few days but its not a real solution. and celestials dont care about waiting an extra 100 years. thats a blink of the eye for them. second, only a few worlds have celestial eggs on them. its not a universal problem
Thanos' plan may be "logical", but I think it's rather cowardly and unimaginative. When he gains possession of the most powerful force in the universe, and essentially has the power of a God, to remake the universe in any way he sees fit, all he can think to do is to destroy rather than create. What Thanos overlooks is that the higher the population, the more brilliant people are born and therefore the more ingenious solutions to problems are presented. Thanos is not the only exceptional being in the universe, and therefore someone will eventually come up with solutions to the problems that plague us all, such as renewable energy or genetically-engineered food sources. Loss of life is an inevitable part of life itself, and frustration with this inevitable fact does not in any way justify taking it yourself for the "greater good". It's a selfish and cowardly act to rob life from others in order to preserve it for yourself. Thanos always talks about how difficult and profound his mission is, but his reaction is the most base and straightforward of solutions. It requires absolutely zero creativity and quite apparently belies the fact that his devotion to the cause is not a result of compassion or even logic, but of his trauma from losing his people and his ego. He needs to kill half of all life to validate the thesis that his people wouldn't let him enact. He has tied the fear and trauma of losing his people to his mission, and thus uses it to work out his own feelings of powerlessness, not to mention his resentment about being banished by his people and called a "madman". These emotional factors motivate Thanos, it's not about being effective, it's about proving that he could have saved his people, that he was right. It's not selfless, it's petty. He's a religious zealot who believes himself to be God and therefore imbued with the right to choose who lives or dies. Thanos' plan should not be considered even as a last resort. He's a sociopath, and that's as simple as it is, no matter how he dresses up his hatred with compassion. Thanos is a brilliant character, his motivation is understandable and compelling, but it is not correct, or noble.
@@Yavl I have. Even if that was why Thanos did what he did (which hasn't definitively been proven or demonstrated), preventing genocide by committing genocide is still not noble, (not to mention equally as illogical). It's not about victory at all costs, it's about preserving what you are fighting for in the first place. Otherwise you cease to be on the side of good and cease to deserve victory anyway. I'm not naive, sometimes lines have to be crossed in war, but murdering helpless civilians again and again to supposedly achieve victory isn't even war. War implies that both sides have agreed to participate in armed conflict. It's just senseless genocide.
@@BigA678 any solution beside Thanos's solution would work better. Not to mention, the problem Thanos was trying to solve does not exist, in actuality. Even in wild nature, animals as dumb as rabbits do not die out because of overpopulation, because their population is balanced out naturally by the resources available. Humans are smarter than rabbits (obviously) and can do a myriad of things to not die out due to limited resources. It is happening all around you if you live in a developed country. Have you noticed that the birth rates have gone down? But even if we supposed that the problem was real, there are better solutions that genocide (which is immoral AND ineffective). For example: 1) improving technology to more efficiently use what resources are available (we humans have been effectively doing this throughout our history); 2) trading with other parts of the universe for resouces (recourses are not available consistently, so naturally there are places with abundance and places of scarcity, so resources can be traded for goods and services); 3) inventing new technology to use other sources of renewable energy (given the level of advanced technology MCU has, this should not be a problem at all); 4) finally, by using the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos could've done ANYTHING. Creating new planets full of resources, creating new technology, using the Gauntlet to provide infinite energy or food, heck, even rewriting genetics of life in the Universe to require less energy. But nah, he decided to kill half the life in the Universe. Sure is edgy, but stupid and evil. Why stupid, you aks? Because population grows geometrically. The numbers he killed would be back in a generation or too. So Thanos would be left with two options: either try this genocide all over again (and again, and again), or to admit that he was wrong.
AMAZING video Vile Eye I've been waiting for a video of him for a long time!!!!!!!!! Two ideas for possible villain videos would be Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory and Michael Scott from the Office!!!!!!!!!
Great vid. Surprised you didn’t go into more detail regarding his treatment of his daughters. As for a suggestion on upcoming vids, Thulsa Doom from Conan, or the Predator
i once saw a theory video that put forth the thought that instead of thanos wanting to help the universe, he wanted to prove he was right. mabye he didn't realize it himself, but he wanted to prove that those who exiled him were wrong, that he was right. that's why he didn't consider other options, he NEEDED to use hes way, and it needed to succeed. this also aligns more with he's personality (yaknow the sometimes tortures people thing).
One thing you didn't go into detail about was how Thanos' obsession with proving that his solution of balancing the universe is the only one that could have worked influences another aspect of his personality that makes his evil even greater: his complete intolerance of failure. Throughout the entire MCU we see multiple examples of this: The Other warning Loki of the pain that awaits him should he fail to deliver the Tesseract; Thanos' threat to Ronan to not return again empty-handed; Ebony Maw, the one minion who has never failed Thanos, expressing fear at the 'judgement' that would await him should he reach Titan with the Time Stone still attached to Dr Strange; and of course most importantly, Thanos' mutilation of Nebula every time she lost a fight to Gamora. Thanos is so traumatised by his own perceived failure to save his people that he cannot abide failure in anyone around him, even his own adopted children, lest it create the risk that he himself will fail again.
Thanos must not have really thought his plan through, because if he wanted to eliminate half of all life in the universe, that would include plants and animals consumed as resources by the consuming sapient beings. That wouldn't mean more resources for the remaining half of beings, but rather the same ratio of disparity of resources among living beings, only halved, with a greater void of life left unfilled.
@@Rasmos I don't know when they specify that, but plant resources rely on animal resources to thrive, and then we have to resolve the definition of the word "sentient" - a hard thing to define. Imagine it means only beings that pass the so-called "mirror test". Now we have an overabundance of meaningless resources, like stray pets, that we'll just have to euthanize. (Thanks Thanos) We'll have enough food to go around, but half the people who manage it will have died. When I watched an optimistic futurist video about how 3D printed homes were going to "solve the housing crisis" I was shocked to have to point out that the reason people are homeless, is not because there aren't enough *homes* to go around. The way we define and manage resources is not dependent on their objective incidence rate. Even if we accept the questionable idea that we know what "sentient life" is, there's basically no scenario where the outcome of this is good
I grew up reading Thanos centered comics by Jim Starlin and it was so refreshing to see them stay true to his character in Infinity War. Endgame however...eeh
@@diannajennings266 Endgame is more accurate to the modern comics, sure, but not Starlin's era of the character. Infinity War follows the Thanos Quest/Silver Surfer Thanos who truly believed he was doing the right thing, who showed regret for his quest, was extremely attached to Gamora and learned to respect his opponents.
But Superman doesn't abuse his powers at all, that's Lex Luther reflecting himself on someone else for he is truly the one with lots of power and he definitely abuses.. all he does is lie and exploit people, create weapons of mass destruction and sells it to corrupt govts and the black markets. Superman uses his powers to SAVE people, not to control and abuse people. That completely is Lex Luther. The what if storylines where Superman is written as evil doesn't count.. maybe you have to rewatch Superman the animated series again, which is the true portrayal of the man of steel.
@pizzahighfive I don’t think you read the comment correctly… she’s saying that Thanos meets that criticism of Superman. Thanos is the self righteous alien, Thanos is the one thinking he knows what’s best for everyone, Thanos abuses his power. Reread the comment.
My only issue for Thanos in MCU is that he doesn't even mention Death as a concept in this, which is a part of a reason why he's bent on erasing the universe in half in the first place.
I find it interesting that after he snapped half the universe, he just goes and lives in a wooden shed in the forest. no desire to rule the new world after he made it.
Kinda feels irresponsible, like it's a pretty big transition and he's done it on smaller scales before. He has experience in making it work, he should at least check on things. It's like conquering a country, if you don't set up some form of government, even just a puppet regime, it'll return or break into anarchy.
Instead of erasing half the universe's population, he could have used the stones to quadruple all the resources, make the resources more efficient or anything else.
That's why he's the "mad" titan, he's insane and actually enjoys killing and thinks himself as a savior. That's why he did that instead of making more resources.
Im not sure if you care much as the definition of decimate has shifted a lot but technically when you said. "Decimate the population of a planet by half." It was not correct usage of the word. Decimate means to reduce by one tenth or kill one in every 10.
One thing that is never discussed with Thanos' plan and what happened with his homeworld is that his species is extremely long lived which means as more people where being born people where not dying as the same rate, resulting in the over population. Species like humans, however, have a much shorter lifespan by comparison meaning as more people are more you would have more dying, compared to Thanos' species, which helps more easily maintain the balance. It's a huge flaw that is never considered when discussing Thanos' plan.
One thing I don’t see people talking much about, is that what if the mind stone planted all these crazy ideas and plans into thanos’ head? We know he gave Loki the scepter which contained the mind stone, and we saw how the mind stone was making all the avengers very uncharacteristically hostile towards each other on the heli-carrier. What if thanos was in possession of the stone for years and years and it just corrupted him?
As always you put so much work into your videos, thank you! Unfortunately I feel you and a lot of others get the wrong idea about Thanos. He DOES want to kill half of all beings in the universe, he loves killing and he also is absolutely insane. Ebony Maw holding Obsidian back to let Thanos have his fun with the Hulk, killing the dwarves anyway and cutting off Itri's hands, he truly is just an insane and violent brute who loves killing but has convinced himself that if he wipes of half of all life it will also be a good thing. He gets to kill half of all life AND he has convinced himself the universe will also prosper. He knows there's dozens of other options, he is immensely intelligent after all. He knows that with the stones he would have a hundred other ways to save the universe. He just doesn't care. He loves killing and has therefore come up with, in his mind, a valid reason for wanting to wipe out half of all life. He's not as deep as people think.
I think what makes Thanos so evil because not only is his plan wrong and not based on reality, but even if he was right, once he has all the Infinity Stones and could solve the problem by making sure that every living thing in the universe has the resources they need, he can't even imagine that and decides genocide is the only solution.
I would love to hear your breakdown of Negan from The Walking Dead. While he eventually goes into an anti-hero roll he starts off a villain that the viewer or reader hates.
I’d really like to see you do Howard from 10 Cloverfield Lane. One of my favorite villains from any film and would make for an extremely interesting video.
Thanks so much for finally doing this video! Ever since I discovered this channel, I wanted a video on Thanos. He is my absolute favorite villain of all time. Love the content, and keep up the great work!
you should cover one of the mcu's only other proper villains, Kingpin from Daredevil. Vincent D'onofrio's performance in it is next level, especially for a TV show villain.
11:25 I think a line that perfectly encapsulates that idea is one that was in the trailer but not in the movie. "Fun is not something one considers when balancing the universe, but this does put a smile on my face.”
The way the vile eye 👁 ends his videos isn’t always clear. Was his conclusion that Thanos wasn’t evil but treaded down a path of what he considered to be a necessary evil?
Empathetic? He killed the daughter that he forced to stay with him After she watching him kill her parents..then he sacrified her..that's certainly an empathetic Guy...
Lets be honest, when im looking at today's world, its inevitable collapse, but unlike him or any other social system in recent history who are trying to correct it, im just waiting to see it all crumble to dust. I mean destroying this system is like setting alerady burned down house on fire, its redundant, and this hypercapitalist world is committing suicide on its own.
Actually outsmart Thanos will be hilariously simple. Thanos plan has a massive flaw: Everything he was doing was completely POINTLESS! He talks about resources and chaos in the universe an his plan is to kill only half of the universe, wich in the end doesn't solve the problem at ALL the time it would take to repopulate the universe to numbers pre snap would be almost insignificant in cosmic time scale, one single snap wouldn't even make a dent on the numbers. Less than one hundread, even some thousands of years are NOTHING, the cycle will restart almost immediately in cosmic scale, nothing what Thanos did makes any difference. It would make a difference if he eliminate half of the inteligent species in the universe, entire planets, entire space empires, gone in a matter of seconds, then it would make a significant difference, but half of the life in the universe? Nope, sorry it doesn't work this way because civilizations grow exponetially, supposing Thanos did instead kill half of the civilizations in the universe, even this would make much of a difference, because, and again in cosmic scale nothing will prevent the surviving civilizations to take the place of the previous one or new ones appear, it would take a few million years but it would eventually happen, and this also is nothing compared with the universe time scale. Thanos plan is flawed, and it seems that the Mad Titan can't do simple calculations... and believe me, i suck with math, but even i could see the stupidity in his plan.
please do an episode of Light Yagami from Death Note, Gustavo Fring from Breaking Bad, Askeladd from Vinland Saga, Homelander from The Boys, Silco from Arcane, and lastly: Eren Jaeger from Attack On Titan.
That's the point: Thanos' motivation doesn't make sense. A being that intelligent should know that neither doubling the resources nor halving the consumers would solve the problem permanently, but doubling the resources would be at least a less horrible way delaying it. Going deeper into this, you would even realize that the hole thing of overpopulation wasn't a real problem anyway. It might have been on his homeworld for reasons we do not know. But in general, it wouldn't be. It might be plausible that the fate of his home traumatized him in such a way that he became tunnelvisioned and therefore the extremist he is. But then it wasn't properly explained and also doesn't really match his overall appearance and behavior in the movies. Also, his motivation was never really challenged in the movies. Both Gamorra and Strange challenge the way he wants to achieve his goal but not the irrational motivation itself which indicates that the writers haven't realized that this motivation is deeply flawed even when they had the perfect antithesis for this claim - Tony Stark who solved the energy crisis with technology. So the only thing so save this would be a hidden motivation behind the motivation he claims for whatever reason. But considering the god-like power he has with the stones, I cannot see any threat that couldn't have been prevented otherwise. Some people think that The Eternals gave a hint for Thanos' real motivation in preventing the Celestials from destroying many worlds by wiping out half of the population to delay their "hatching". But for the reasons I mentioned, this also doesn't make sense as it would be only delayed and isn't even the best solution in the first place as snapping away the Celestials would be the more effective solution. For the same reason, the "Thanos saved the universe from Galactus" theory doesn't work. Unless you want to claim that the Infinity Stones are so weak that they cannot remove the Celestials or Galactus from existance. But that would at least be a more rational motivation than the overpopulation thing. I still really like MCU Thanos as a villain but what prevents the movies from being perfect for me is his flawed motivation which could be challenged by every 10 year old.
Yeah but that's why he is so interesting. It's like Joker who's motto is basically, "life is meaningless". Anyone can debate that at any age. Of course life has meaning. Jokers trauma is what makes him ignorant to the fact. Same here. Thanos trauma is what makes him ignorant to the fact. To Joker and Thanos, it doesnt matter because they've experienced their trauma and were heavily damaged by it so no amount of reasoning, no matter how sound, would be able to convert them.
You were describing how Thanos's "logic" led him to the conclusion that halving the consumers in the universe would halve consumption and save everyone, but I think you miss a crucial point about Thanos which is this: it's not solely about saving the universe. It's about showing the universe that he was right, that if his people would have listened, they would not have died out. If killing half of everyone fixes the problem, he is vindicated. So I contend that your perception of Thanos's plan being born from him being "too logical" is incorrect and a stretch, I would describe his plan as being born from a sort of deranged guilt, born from his helplessness in sparing his planet and its people their fate. He's not a man who is being logical, he is a man who is desperate to prove that the fate of his people could've been averted, that he was right, and that his condemnation was unjust. The basis for my claim, other than that I think it just makes more sense, is the fact that Titan's fate is so heavily emphasized in the first place, to the point that he intends to meet his children on the dead planet to use the Infinity Stones, and that a huge showdown takes place there. The filmmakers really wanted to hammer home that Thanos is a sentimental person, sentimental for his long dead planet, and I think the intent was to give us some insight into his motivation. All of your other questions fall into place when you consider it like this. For example, the question of why he didn't use the stones to address the problem in some other way, or the concern about future generations not implementing his policy and the same problem emerging again. The thing is, it's clear Thanos doesn't care; he even destroys the stones after his plan is fulfilled. This is a man who was not invested in the fate of the universe, but only in showing the universe he was right. Furthermore, I'll add that in the Endgame film, his motivation changes (to remaking the universe) precisely when his solution is challenged: when he realizes that the people who remained in the universe, years after he implemented his solution, would not only refuse to live with it but would come and kill him for it. My point is, I don't think Thanos is a logical or compassionate person, or rather that his logic and compassion is what motivated him. I think it's pure hubris, purely personal, a man trying to prove a point, and taking it personally when his point isn't taken. It certainly makes more sense than just saying he's compassionate but too crazy to realize genocide is bad.
@@Yavl I'm familiar with the plot of Eternals, and nothing in that film suggests to be me that Thanos is actually aware of the eternals or what they do when he proposes his initial solution to Titan's problems, nor when he's enacting genocide on planets, nor when he procures the Infinity Stones, and especially not when he decides to wipe the universe out in Endgame.
OP, what you said is what I love about Thanos…and consequently hate about the way he’s presented to the audience. Just look at the number of people who still don’t realize the point you were making about him. It’s clear what Thanos truly is underneath, but the movies dance around that aspect instead of ever really having it called out on and that annoys me immensely. The “pretends to be a well intentioned extremist but really just wants to show the world he was right” Thanos is a great design for a villain, but it’s something better understood in retrospect and not while watching the movie, which is why he’s hard to really like despite his true personality and ego being great.
Thought of some good ones for you, in no particular order: -Pablo Escobar, specifically his fictionalized narcos character, or any drug lord from Narcos. -maybe The Byrds as a family from Ozark -Neil McAuley (DeNiro) in Heat -Mr. Glass from Unbreakable -Kevin in Split -Cersei Lannister -Commandant (Elba) in Beasts of No Nation -Marlo Stanfield from The Wire,(this one especially is one of the most evil characters on one of the greatest shows of all time) or Chris Partlow, or even Snoop. So anyone of those would make an excellent episode. I look forward to what you have in store my friend. - A loyal subscriber
I’m so grateful that you analyzed Thanos but you’ve almost covered the entire horror villain icons except for Chucky, Jason, and maybe one other. It just feels incomplete to me that you’ve analyzed Michael, Freddy, Pinhead, and Leatherface, but not Jason or Chucky and that one other.
His logic was hilariously flawed, short-sighted and based on both enormous ego and lack of imagination. He was smart enough to be dangerous, but stupid enough for everyone who was not blinded by his charisma to see flaws in his plan. Perfect blockbuster villain.
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I got so many of my friends to watch your channel because of these breakdowns. You do great work man.
Hey can you do a John Wick villain?
Can u do viktor next
Nice choice. Somehow totally forgot about him. Easily one of the best villains in cinema history imo
While a good analysis, I think you overlooked something that A LOT of people have overlooked with MCU Thanos: His ego. His ego, to me, is firmly why he's a villain. In listening to how he talks about his plan and what inspired it, there's this lingering sense of spite and pettiness to it. "They called me a madman and what I predicted came to pass." He has it in his head that if they just listened to him, everything would've worked out. If only they just recognized him instead of writing him off and realized he was right. If only they listened.
That's the thing about Thanos and his "logic" regarding his plans. Most of his arguments boil down to "I'm right." Endgame, while presenting a younger Thanos for most of the runtime, really shows what actually drives him. When the Avengers ambush Present Thanos at the beginning of the film, what does he say? "You should be grateful!" and when he expresses his plans to shred down the universe and rebuild it, he caps it off by proclaiming that it would be "a grateful universe." Even when discussing his plans to Strange in IW, he mentions that he would watch the sun rise on a "grateful universe." For all his logic and faux compassion, that's what matters to Thanos, that he be finally recognized as the one who knew how to save everyone.
This is evident in his first scene in IW, "I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're RIGHT, yet to fail, nonetheless." To me, this just shows that at the end of the day, Thanos is still burned by the fact that he was written off as a madman. This is why, for such a compassionate sounding and seemingly run-by-logic being, he has such flashes of sadism and spite when personally involved in battle and murder. This is why each time we see him shredding planets, we always hear Maw hyping him up about what an honor it is to be "saved" by him. Because it isn't run by logic or compassion anymore, but a desire to finally be seen as right all along. Whether or not Thanos realizes this is up for debate, but to me, this is who Thanos was by the end: a spiteful and petty being who wanted to BE right instead of DO right.
He's the worst type of villains the type who would kill innocent children, women, old folks pretending it's for a greater good...with his dumb ego...
Ah, he's got narcissistic personality disorder, too! Good one!
@@contrafidem884 I was just thinking that as well.He's a prime example of a cluster B personally disorder.
Yeah, once I heard the idea wasn't that Thanos WAS right, but that he had an all-consuming need to PROVE he was right, a lot of inconsistencies fell into place.
@@trevorhunt9547 he may even be right but that doesn't give him the right to kill innocent people pretending it was for the greater good, that's only his God complex..
“…A man with a will that can’t be broken is destined to either succeed or die trying…”
Well said about the character and in general.
Thanos unironically did both
Speaking of killing Loki, I love this small piece of dialogue at the beggining of IW, where Loki claims himself as Odins son. As he has forgiven Odin and accepts himself as his heir. And nobody is forcing him to do that. Thanos doens't give two sh*ts for how Loki sees himself. It's almost more like an apology to Thor for everything he has put them trough. Just a small piece of dialogue but I think it adds so much to the scene and to Loki.
Thanos being somewhat soft spoken and measured was always more menacing than a loud barking screaming monster.
That's why he's a compelling villain. He isn't angry at the world or the people he's fighting. He is a man with a goal in mind and WILL achieve that goal no matter what. It's why his victory was all but assured in Infinity War. He was so focused and confident (and inherently stronger than the heroes in 1 on 1 situations), having the stones just made him unstoppable. But in Endgame, he lets his emotions take over and is no longer focused on his goal, and instead grows some hatred towards the people he's fighting, leading to many mistakes which cause him to lose.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 both of them are evil and lack on empathy.
He is a bad man with no goal in mind he is a selfish not so well weak extremist. Both of them are lack of empathy and murder trillions. hypocrite.
@@BlazingDragonCathateWolf-gx7lh He also blind.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 hE ISN'T A MAN U FOOL HJE STILL A MOSNTER.
Thanos , Darth Vader, Palpatine and Joker are my most favorite movie villains.
Syndrome from the incredibles is a damn good one too; he too was close to completing his plans but was lost to his idol that rejected him as a kid not understanding the dangers of hero work.
I would say he definitely enjoyed testing those he came into conflicts with. All the hostages situations, were for him to prove the avengers/guardians weren’t really willing to lose it all for the stones. Peter with Gamora, torturing Nebula for Gamora, Strange and Iron man. I think with Wanda, she may have been someone he tried taking up as a “Child of Thanos” seeing how he even comforts her after she destroys Vision, respecting her for actually going through with losing someone for their cause
Dang, nice perspective
Thanos definitely did enjoy his tests as can be seen with the whole Peter and Gamora instance. He could’ve just taken her and fled but he purposely delayed his plans to see if Peter was willing to do what was necessary. Pragmatically it was a waste of time but his own sadism and curiosity allowed him to spare a few minutes to lay out his tests. If I had to guess I think he likes to put people in difficult positions just to see how many of them possess a similar will to his. He likes to compare himself to others and if they respond how he would he offers approval, like how he said he liked Peter after he tried to shoot Gamora. Ultimately it’s an ego trip and a sadistic exercise. Thanos wants to feel assured that he is one of the few people in the galaxy who can bear what he plans to do.
"I understand my child--better than anyone"
Quil did fire at gamora though, thanos even says "i like him" after. I fully agree thanos was testing their will and how far they would go in their goals and measure their wills against his own, but Quil definitely passed his test.
The other one that Thanos did test was Loki. When he asked for the Tesseract, he was threatening Loki to kill Thor. He did that as he would like to see how strong is Loki "willingness" in terms of hiding the Tesseract. That's why he was enjoying the dilemma that Loki was having, either save Thor and give up the Tesseract or the other way around.
Thanos's dedication to what he believes is his purpose is what makes him engaging as a villain
Hes all in for sure
The best kind of villain is a villain that always thinks that what he’s doing is the right thing no matter what.
I'd say, by definition, he was the Protagonist in Infinity War. He had all the tropes of one and even succeeded in his mission where the Avengers failed.
That's one thing I love about him as a character.
On paper, he's just a warlord using child soldiers to gain power and commit genocide.
But he's been around long enough to use his "wisdom" to convince himself that no matter how cruel he acts, he's doing the right thing. The children he kidnapped and forced to fight for him, he believes he loves them even though he doesn't bat an eye as 4 of the 6 are killed, tortures another and kills another one himself to complete "his mission"
We see his cruelty time and time again, and hear it discussed in greater detail like the cyberization of nebula or the genocide of the dwarves. The dude is evil, but he not only convinced himself that his goals were noble but good chunk of the audience.
And when you watch the eternals and learn more about his origin... it's even more tragic because he could have used that wisdom and skill for good had he not been broken in the way he was
That’s what makes him all the more terrifying in Infinity War.
Now this brings a smile to my face.
One defining characteristic is that when the second Thanos knows he lost, he just sits down and waits for the inevitable. No cursing, no rage, just a last moment of personal peace.
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I respect that. Most villains would rage and scream. He accepted it. A more mature and God like end to a villain.
Because he knows his failure is due to his own ego. If he had just remained in a level-headed demeanor like in Infinity War, he would come out on top every time. Dr. Strange found the 1 timeline where Thanos lost his cool.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 i dont think Thanos thought of that. He just accepted that he lost.
Thanos was cursed with knowledge. There wasn’t much that could shock him anymore.
I feel Thanos in Endgame is very diffrent from the one we got in Infinite war. In Endgame, he seems less compassionate, more cruel and wicked. He even says he'll enjoy stopping earth.
Because he’s already seen himself win. Thus he gains a different level of ego and impatience that leads to his downfall. That’s typically why he causes his own downfall in the comics as well. He gets overzealous and let’s his ego cloud his judgment. He miscalculates and causes his own downfall. When he is on his game like in IW he is nigh unstoppable. Once he lets his guard down, he’s beatable.
@@TheIcemanthomas true, also another reason for his downfall was his need for a "counter force" to his argument. He intentionally wanted to see how the universe would defend itself or push back his ideology. This is why he find Tony Stark to be a worthy rival. He wanted the ultimate victory of ideology, he wanted the universe to throw everything at him and win.
I once read a comment that made a intriguing point that what if Infinity War is what we are witnessing the whole journey from Thanos's point of view and Endgame is what we are viewing the journey from the Avengers's point of view
uhhhhhhhhh no. He's not, it's just Endgame just showcases his TRUE SELF.
I really LOVED the way they did Thanos in Endgame. I didn't see it as a betrayal of his established character so much as a revelation of his true nature. Thanos says he's saving the universe, and I think he believes it, but at the same time his actions don't always quite mesh with his stated ideals. He claims to be motivated by mercy and benevolence, but he clearly enjoys messing with people (specifically, he enjoys having total power over others) -- first, when he takes the time to bare-knuckle box with the Hulk (which Maw explicitly says is for fun), and later when he completely unnecessarily torments both Starlord and Gamorra, forcing Starlord to have to choose to kill her before revealing that he himself was in control the whole time.
My feeling about Thanos is that he's a lot like Light Yagami, who claims to be sacrificing himself to make a better world, but in reality is just a psychopathic serial killer with a literal god complex. He uses and betrays the people who trust him without a trace of remorse -- in fact, he pretty clearly enjoys what he's doing, one time going so far as to tell his victim who he was -- just so he could see her reaction when she realized she was going to die.
In summary, my impression of Thanos is that he's basically an exaggerated take on an abusive parent figure -- most easily seen by his relationship with his "children," most notably Nebula. He claims to act on others' behalf, to be making the"grown up" decisions that no one else can or will, but every time he encounters resistance (with the apparent exception of Gamorra) he reacts with vengeful spite, the hallmark of a bruised pride. So it's hardly any surprise that when Thanos encounters defiance -- in his mind, ungratefulness for his salvation -- that he immediately reverts to punishing, stripping down, and rebuilding the universe just like he's been doing to Nebula all along.
(I promised myself I was done rambling, but I have one thing left to add: this side of Thanos is why he destroys the stones in the first place. He originally thought he would settle for wiping out half of all life, but once he found himself alone with his thoughts he realized that the temptation to keep using them would inevitably be too great. He doesn't destroy them to protect us from some other villain. He destroys them to protect us from himself.
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The best example of Thanos' true character in Infinity War is directly after he beats down the Hulk. When he kills Loki for failing him. Throughout the film, Thanos makes all these claims about how he wants to save the universe, how he's helping people, how he thinks he's being merciful. But in this one moment, we see the true Thanos: A tyrannical madman who derives physical pleasure from literally strangling the life out of someone, to the point where it makes him audibly exhale from the endorphin rush. That was always the intention.
Yes the future thanos is different from the past thanos, they aren’t the same person. I will list why, for one the past one didn’t experience all the future events to come. While he does understand he does win in the future he becomes more reckless and too confident in his abilities. The future thanos had to slowly working his way to the event of the great snap. He didn’t know if he would win or not. It would be a constant battle and some of his followers would be killed.
Future thanos had many significant losses including having to personally kill gamora in a dramatic an painful way. He on a lesser level lost some close comrade he respected and probably was sad not every one would reach the finish line with him.
After gamora death I feel like he is greatly changed and not the same person. It’s like he’s been humbled and fate cost him a huge price for reaching the stars. So no, they aren’t the same. Also I feel like the end game thanos was In a war period. So he would be very much in a war type of mood.
It was inevitable that The Vile Eye would eventually cover Thanos
Thanos is the poster boy for the expression "the road to hell is paved in good intentions"
@@robertstone9988 the song " 4 minutes (to save the world) " said it years prior :)
It's Madonna that says it in there
I see what you did there!
That, is destiny fulfilled
He did a poor job, if I'm being honest. I think he misses the point wildly on Thanos. He frames him as a compassionate and overly logical being trying to do the right thing, but I think it's more accurate to say that he's just butthurt over the fate of Titan and being ignored and condemned, and wants to prove he was right by imposing his solution on the universe at large.
*_One thing that stayed with many is his way of speaking, his wisdom & quotes_*
"Simple calculus"
He was such a chad.. I loved every second of him in IW...
Not so much in Endgame...
That's three things
@@Phishytaco 😂
Don’t forget them hands
@@Phishytaco oh wait yea
You should’ve mentioned Nebula, since she was literally tortured and made into a mechanical monstrosity due to Thanos’ cold and callous nature. That would’ve been a better way to let us know how evil Thanos really is.
That...I might grant you. But being uncaring still isn't evil. If he got his jollies out of it...then he'd be evil.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 being uncaring isn’t evil, but torturing and essentially breaking an individual down (keep in mind this was his “daughter” in a sense) is quite evil. In Endgame, we see how Nebula is essentially breaking down when in Thanos’ presence (past Nebula anyway), and Nebula’s monologue about how Thanos would make her and Gamora fight and then use cybernetics to enhance and torture her every time she lost to the point where Thanos took her *brain from her fucking skull* is more than evil in my opinion.
Edit: her monologue was in Gaurdians 2, when she and the pirate guy are alone before she decides to leave the Ravagers. Watch that scene again and tell me Thanos wasn’t evil in that respect.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Kidnaping a child and forcing them to grow up and be a murderer by pitting them against their adoptive sibling and torturing them is evil, regardless of weather he enjoyed it or not.
@@anatoldenevers237 he made gamora and nebula spar with each other, and he did what he did to nebula so she doesn’t have to be second to her sister, she can be equal instead
@@HTMN161 I know why he did it, but that doesn't excuse it. He took children from their homes after slaughtering half of their people, forced them to fight and tortured and mutilated Nebula against her will.
It's important to differentiate MCU Thanos from his comic book counterpart. While they are the same character, their ultimate goal and portrayal is completely different.
MCU Thanos is obsessed with balance, and he believes that the universe can only be saved through impartial, fair genocide so that the surviving half will have enough resources and living space to prosper. He acts like he's forced to disintegrate trillions to save trillions, and always try to justify his actions, even when he's dead wrong. Here's an example: someone with a tormented conscience and with all that blood on their hands for "the greater good" would have never smiled as they were ripping the Mind Stone from Vision's head, and then toss him away like it was nothing. Another difference is that, according to Marvel Studios, MCU Thanos was designed and portrayed as a character without significative weaknesses.
Comic book Thanos, on the other hand, has a more selfish reason. Thanos is obsessed by death, so much that he falls in love with Lady Death herself, and his ultimate goal is to achieve a source of absolute, god-like power so that he can be worthy of his love interest. The iconic snap, brought so many times in Infinity War and Endgame, is used just once in the comics, to express just how powerful Thanos is, and all he requires is a snap of his fingers to cancel half of the universe. After all, you don't need a special move to use the powers of the Infinity Gauntlet.
But there's the catch: the exact moment Thanos gain this kind of power, he unwittingly becomes more powerful than Death, and that's something that Lady Death can't abide. So no matter how many times he tries, he's destined to fail because he values himself so much.
And then there's one of the most absurd comic book weaknesses of all time: Thanos's "subconscious desire to lose". Whether he wants it or not, in the end Thanos is defeated by his opponents because, deep down, he doesn't see himself worthy of the power he seeks, and he wish to be stopped. Clearly you can't be able to properly adapt such an abstract and weird condition to a movie villain. After all, MCU Thanos did win.
I think the comic weakness of Thanos is still analyzable in the MCU when you think of it as his “death-drive”, especially regarding the past trauma of his planet that led him to his goals. After all the term “Thanatos” is often used interchangeably with the concept and I think it’s still pretty integral to his character in the movies as well, just way less on the nose and silly as it is in the original Infinity Gauntlet story
Another thing that makes thanos pretty damn terrifying? Think about what he was doing before he gathered the stones. He was going from planet to planet and manually slaughtering and wiping out half the population. And he did this for years and years. Good lord.
True, that shows how evil he was..killing gamora's relatives then adopting her shows how sick in the head thanos Always was...
I came to be a Thanos apologist after working in customer service.
Thanos did nothing wrong
My Condolences
Yes.
I would snap more than half the universe after working in a movie theater.
Lol
The cool thing about the comic and movie versions is that they retain a warped concept of "love".
The comics version was simp max
@@johnlawful2272 nothing mediocre about the concept of death, brother.😉
@@V4Now it's what makes us equal
Its funny because in the comics, there is a Christmas annual I think where he lets Gamora celebrate the holiday and is conflicted about his growing feelings for her as a sorta daughter and monologues about the idea of connection with other beings. It ends with him throwing a doll he had for her in the trash I think? It was interesting in the comics that Thanos struggled with the idea that perhaps all he ever wanted was a genuine love and connection with others. In a sense his journey into Infinity Gauntlet is an existential journey over "Wants to bang death," he literally died before Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers 88? I think and was happy in non existence in Death's realm, his return though is more about him finding meaning through the Gauntlet and finding that through warped perceptions of concepts like Love and Power.
@@Ashguy733 it actually reminds me a bit of momento, how the main dude has the answers but his ego is as much a hindrance to his efforts as his real disability.
It is great see a blockbuster movie villain that is multidimensional and has ideas that makes you think if they could be right. Great villain and surely evil. One thing to add from recent Eternals movie, his brother was Eros and an Eternal, so that might have some implications to his origin. Great video as always.
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@@girishramchandani3943 name or link maybe? I could not find which video you meant.
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How are his ideas right? He could just give multiplied resources to everyone
@@girishramchandani3943 haha I just looked at renegade cuts channel is so bias. I can't stand the left or right and he is a proud lefty
I dont know if this is intentional, but when Thanos implements his genocidal plan, he "snaps". This could be construed as a play on words, as in he both literally and figuratively snaps, and the reason he is so hellbent on killing half the universe is because he cant bring himself to admit there may have been another way to save his people, not to mention the trauma of losing everyone he ever knew.
One small point about the Titan issue: We only have Thanos' word for Titan's issues. Absent any other information, it's as likely that Thanos *believed* that Titan would eventually fall to ruin, as Malthus did on Earth in his day, but, his claims falling on deaf ears, instead destroyed Titan himself. Personal headcanon to be sure, but it certainly fits with his motivations in other movies, such as his desire to rule Earth and so on.
Been waiting for this one. Always a pleasure to watch you breakdown my favourite villains.
64th episode? Get this to 32K likes... perfectly balanced as all things should be
😎 All hail the mighty Thanos!
Thanos was the ultimate Malthusian. Though, I always wondered... if the Gauntlet gives you infinite power, then instead of eliminating half the universe why not make the resources infinite?
Because he’s the ultimate Malthusian, and thus doesn’t understand that resources need people to be actually made useful, and that people are not just pure consumers
Because the movie is propaganda for the idiot masses. Our entire ecnonomic system and ways of life are driven by fear and scarcity while the government hides advanced knowledge and technology from us because they want us to be enslaved permanently. Look at the Georgia guidestones. I mean you do know that the deepstate and intelligence agencies/darpa are lightyears ahead of us and controlled by psychopaths. As one example in 1969 Jose Delgado perfected brainchips to an extent he was doing wireless brain machine interfacing, now we have Elon Musk marketing us brainchips for 2025. Why not let the public have this back in 1969, well think of how that would put big pharma and psychiatrists out of business. They just dont let us know about it. Human beings live in total slavery and ignorance and this movie and its plot is just one example of them controlling how the masses are allowed to think, that some might agree with Thanos or think something like this would need to happen on Earth because they have no concept of Zero point energy tech or energy medicine or replicators able to make anything.
The fact that he didn't want to make resources infinite is proof that Thanos didn't care about saving the universe, he only cared about proving he was right about how to save Titan.
@@zazikikomo7796 Did the infinity stones have the power to make resources infinite?
He just an egostic mass murderer who want to kill people, the other thing is that Malthus is dumb the problem was never the populations but the greed that capitalism brings in human nature..
I enjoyed this, but at 12:08, I have to disagree with that, he clearly isn't enjoying torturing Nebula, when he does it, he hangs his head and grimaces, it's hurting him, emotionally to do it, but he feels he has to. And when Gamora caves in, Thanos stops instantly, and his face and body language show relief, and not triumph.
Desperation, fear, isolation and resentment can inflict huge damage to a person and the fact Thanos carried that around for centuries is incredible. His plan is undoubtedly wrong but it makes sense given where he came from
In regards to the mcu, I suggest doing an analysis on Kilgrave from Jessica Jones. His infatuation for her and his vile actions make him a perfect candidate.
True, he's a great villain..sick as hell..
Netflix shows are not marvel cinematic universe
Yes, he's an interesting character. It doesn't help he's played by David Tennant, but his evil is so weirdly affable. He's very, very scary but kind of likable at the same time.
Amazing villain
@@ghost245353 wtf are you talking about
Wait, Thor is older than Thanos? Damn, we really needed a scene where Thor dresses Thanos down by screaming "I've eaten more salt than you have rice!"
I'd really enjoy your take on Adrian Veidt. The film version is similar enough to the graphic novel, too. He's sort of a more localized Thanos. And, considering the traits of each of the characters, you could even analyze Rorschach or maybe the Comedian.
Would love to see this as well
Me TOO
One more vote for Adrian.
yep.
Thanos is such a great villain and it’s nice that a major blockbuster franchise was able to put this much thought into his development as a character! He set a high bar for villains going forward that I don’t think will be topped for a while.
Only thing is Z moves require being in sync and a strong bond to work, and Paul isn't exactly as openly close to his Pokemon as someone like Ash
I would love to see an episode based around Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas. Love your channel
Ave true to Caesar and death to the profligates
Hit us with that Hegelian dialectic!
I think Lord Voldemort would be a great character to analyze. Surprised it hasn't been done yet.
Voldemort is a good idea. I also been hoping he do him. I also think Analyzing Evil: Bane from the dark knight is a good choice too.
While it is an obvious choice and should be done, in the surface he seems so unappealing and unilateral. But evil he is.
Ralph Fiennes sure knows how to play bad guys.
I wanted to see Frieza from DBZ. But he's super similar to Voldemort so I'd be happy with both lol.
Guaranteed 1 hour long video for sure
You should consider covering Idi Amin from the Last King of Scotland. Terrifying villain based on the real dictator of Uganda and is Whitaker's best ever performance.
Excellent choice.
Oh man, I saw the movie, that man was a monster
The thing is Thanos thought that he was faith itself until the infinity stones showed him otherwise.
I loved that film, and learning more about his life outside of it reminded me of just how evil somebody can be
Yeah that was a great role. A supet charismatic and friendly guy with such intensity, who you knew would just have you killed in an instant if he wanted to.
The thing about Thanos's plan is in many ways he also halved the resources. Half the crops were wiped out as their living, half the trees, half the worms that keep the soil healthy, half the microorganisms that regulate every person's gut and also keep soil healthy. Worse he screwed over fields that would have been relying on the nutrients from the decomposition of the crops planted on them, meaning they would be less able to support crops. In short the first couple years after the snap would have been very hard as the ecosystem recovered and the populations of these essential life forms recovered and started providing their resources again. Basically Thanos didn't have a very strong understanding of how resources form and while overpopulation of one species is harmful, underpopulation of another can be flat out devastating.
Yeah his plan really was just destroy everything and pretend like the fallout wouldn't exist. Like imagine all the problems that comes from just PEOPLE disappearing. Fires and ovens untended (also less firefighters), people driving cars and planes crashing (less firefighters AND paramedics), just so so much chaos and societal collapse with everyone in the world likely having more dead loved ones than living on top of ptsd and now we what.......rebuild? Sure thing.
On top of that he didn't say half of every species he said half of all life. With emphasis on it being random. An entire species vital to a whole planet's ecosystem could just be gone. There's honestly no real logic to his plan period there never was it was just him getting the saltiest that they spurned him for having a shit idea and deciding to kill half the universe because constructive criticism happened to him.
That didn’t happen just watch the movie
@theviolater9231 they failed to show it in Infinity War, but it is shown in Endgame. There's a tree, and they make a point to show the place where the tree is repeatedly throughout the movie with no tree. After they undo the snap, suddenly tree with a nest and baby birds in it. The operating word in plant life is life. Thanos halved all life in the universe. He halved the plants, the animals, the bactiera. They also discuss how hard it was to get food early after the snap in areas that already struggle with resources people died. The sheer inviormental destruction is a large part of what drove the remaining people to work together on an unprecedented level, causing the trouble with the Flag Smashers in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. All life without parameters means all life, not just all sentient life.
@@hannahevertson8306If that was true, the forest in Wakanda during Infinity War would have seen a lot of trees turning into dust, but that didn’t happen. He must’ve selectively killed in the snap, the way Smart Hulk did it
@arishemthejudge6780 Or, and this is my bet, they didn't want to pay for the effect just to turn a tun of trees to dust. However, the writers have said the intent was all life no matter the kind. That's plant, microorganism, and animal. It is shown in the next movie, they've just gotten lazy.
Thanos is just an insane titan who thinks “this kitten coughed once, it’s as good as dead. Better put it out of its misery” and use that logic as an excuse to kill people
You should do analyzing evil for Wilson Fisk from Netflix's Daredevil
Such a great villain
Bro I was just thinking that. That would make a great video.
And also Kilgrave from Jessica Jones and Cottonmouth from Luke Cage.
Whoa, I did not expect this but I'm glad you made this video.
"I didn't teach you to lie that's why you're so bad at it."
i hope there's a megatron or starscream video. they have interesting chharacters and since there're different continuities with them you can pick any
The problem with Thanos plan is that it isn’t a solution but simply a way to delay the inevitable, even after wiping out half of all life in the universe with a generation or two the numbers would be back to the same levels and he’d need to perform another snap.
Granted that is what makes him a compelling villain in my mind because he is so clearly in the wrong even if the ends justify the means.
Edit: oh good you touched on this later in the video.
Incredible video as always.very well develloped and quite sympathetic villain. perefect video, as it should be
An abundance of resources always leads to overconsumption.
Eventually the peak of available resources is reached and begins to decline.
What happens next is interesting.
People actually begin to consume faster in an anxious scramble to hoard said resources.
So while resources have peaked the consumption multiplies causing the resources to be depleted even faster.
Recommend Jared Diamond's "The Last Tree Of Easter Island" as a study/lesson of this phenomenon.
Interesting. Thank you.
One of the greatest villains of all time and truly fitting for the main villain of the Infinity Saga
My favorite fight and interaction he has with any of the Avengers is easily Iron Man since Tony was preparing for Thanos since the first Avengers while Thanos knew and viewed him as his only and greatest threat to accomplishing his life long goal, some gods, sorcerers, and kings never could.
That's not true
That’s silly lmao, Thor nearly killed him even when he had the stones.
@@kiryukazuma8089 at the last possible second, he caught him off guard JUST when he had 5 stones.
Nah.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Nutjub Narrccist. at the second part. He caught him on guard JUST A bit when he had 6 stones. not 5 brat.
Thanos is one of my favorite villains in TV or movies. He is one of the most formidable and seemingly invincible foes protagonists have faced.
Thanos is the epitome of "means that become ends are never good ends". He wished to kill half the population of the universe to save it but after so many slain worlds he had lost sight of his original goal. Instead his goal became killing half of the universe's population.
Be carefull what you wish for.
Your content truly reaches it's peak with each and every video. Easily one of my favorites series on all of YT. Keep up the great work!
Thanos isn't unique in his ethos. He's only unique in his capabilities.
I’d say his capabilities make him unique in his ethos a false prophet knows he’s false and convinces you he’s not Thanos is in a league of his own he never faltered in his ideology or goals and gave up power after achieving said goals
Thanos is a real fanatic, crazy moron whos plan doesn't bring what he wants to bring - balance. He is delusional, thinking that randomly deleting half of the population on every planet will solve issues. It will actually cause more issues. Shift of powers and chaos which will only result in old days being returned. He is no smart, nor a good villain. Disney wrote him so he doesn't provoke any negative feelings in viewers because they are trying to appeal do masses instead of delivering a good story. Thanos should be hated instead of empathize with. Disney knows what they are doing. Killing art for money and brainwashing people. Thanos, and other MCU villains, are one of the worst villains. MCU isn't marvel comics. Good villain would be Willem Defoe's Goblin, Heath Ledger's Joker, Jesse Eisenberg's Luthor (he portrays person with many, many issues who is pathetic, wants power, wants to prove that no one is good in this world. he fails ofc. Superman has a big heart)... MCU is trash.
@@levi_exiled8579 mcu might be trash in which I disagree. To a certain extent but Thanos was a great villain. Especially in infinity war.
@@HILAL19564 On surface level he was but if you give it a better thought you'll the fraud he is, trust me. He doesn't have knowledge because person with true knowledge and goals would have come up with a better idea and there could have been a chance of redemption. However, writers are too stupid. Imagine if 50% of population died on earth. Wars would start, true chaos, millions would die, Russia would invade countries. Shit like this. Thanos is stupid. Good villain is a general Zod in MOS. Or Steppenwolf in JL. He has clear motives and is actually simple instead of trying to be complex unlike Luthor in previous movie. He seeks redemption and place next to Darkseid but doesn't know that Darkseid doesn't care about him. He is a lost cute shark. If he had been more careful he could be redeemed. If only he saw true colors of Darkseid. Thanos kills the only person he loves the most just to kill more and destroy balance. He is a fanatic. Problem is in the way he is written and directed. He would be good if they had shown him in darker themes and colors provoking negative feeling in viewers because Thanos was never good.
Also, stones are really stupid. Vision gets knowledge from the stone but Thanos gets nothing. After getting the last stone he should have seen truth about his intentions. MCU is trash.
Exactly, his ethos is pretty much your run of the mill ecofascist
Keep up the amazing work! Thank you for your hard work, dedication, passion and determination! All the best! 😀
I like the theory that after getting the mind stone he became aware of the celestials and there was one in Titan, so he gave the excuse of overpopulation to kill enough people so it couldn't be born. That would explain why he didn't bother with adding more resources of the universe whenever they started running low.
except it would be born eventually. so the plan is at best a temporary delay.
its like pissing in your own mouth to prevent dying of thirst. im sure it would work for a few days but its not a real solution. and celestials dont care about waiting an extra 100 years. thats a blink of the eye for them.
second, only a few worlds have celestial eggs on them. its not a universal problem
Thanos' plan may be "logical", but I think it's rather cowardly and unimaginative. When he gains possession of the most powerful force in the universe, and essentially has the power of a God, to remake the universe in any way he sees fit, all he can think to do is to destroy rather than create.
What Thanos overlooks is that the higher the population, the more brilliant people are born and therefore the more ingenious solutions to problems are presented. Thanos is not the only exceptional being in the universe, and therefore someone will eventually come up with solutions to the problems that plague us all, such as renewable energy or genetically-engineered food sources.
Loss of life is an inevitable part of life itself, and frustration with this inevitable fact does not in any way justify taking it yourself for the "greater good". It's a selfish and cowardly act to rob life from others in order to preserve it for yourself.
Thanos always talks about how difficult and profound his mission is, but his reaction is the most base and straightforward of solutions. It requires absolutely zero creativity and quite apparently belies the fact that his devotion to the cause is not a result of compassion or even logic, but of his trauma from losing his people and his ego. He needs to kill half of all life to validate the thesis that his people wouldn't let him enact. He has tied the fear and trauma of losing his people to his mission, and thus uses it to work out his own feelings of powerlessness, not to mention his resentment about being banished by his people and called a "madman". These emotional factors motivate Thanos, it's not about being effective, it's about proving that he could have saved his people, that he was right. It's not selfless, it's petty.
He's a religious zealot who believes himself to be God and therefore imbued with the right to choose who lives or dies. Thanos' plan should not be considered even as a last resort. He's a sociopath, and that's as simple as it is, no matter how he dresses up his hatred with compassion.
Thanos is a brilliant character, his motivation is understandable and compelling, but it is not correct, or noble.
You’re wrong, it’s both correct and noble. Eternals tells you why, if you’ve watched it
@@Yavl I have. Even if that was why Thanos did what he did (which hasn't definitively been proven or demonstrated), preventing genocide by committing genocide is still not noble, (not to mention equally as illogical). It's not about victory at all costs, it's about preserving what you are fighting for in the first place. Otherwise you cease to be on the side of good and cease to deserve victory anyway.
I'm not naive, sometimes lines have to be crossed in war, but murdering helpless civilians again and again to supposedly achieve victory isn't even war. War implies that both sides have agreed to participate in armed conflict. It's just senseless genocide.
Everyone says he’s wrong I get it but what solutions would any of you have?
@@BigA678 any solution beside Thanos's solution would work better.
Not to mention, the problem Thanos was trying to solve does not exist, in actuality. Even in wild nature, animals as dumb as rabbits do not die out because of overpopulation, because their population is balanced out naturally by the resources available.
Humans are smarter than rabbits (obviously) and can do a myriad of things to not die out due to limited resources. It is happening all around you if you live in a developed country. Have you noticed that the birth rates have gone down?
But even if we supposed that the problem was real, there are better solutions that genocide (which is immoral AND ineffective). For example:
1) improving technology to more efficiently use what resources are available (we humans have been effectively doing this throughout our history);
2) trading with other parts of the universe for resouces (recourses are not available consistently, so naturally there are places with abundance and places of scarcity, so resources can be traded for goods and services);
3) inventing new technology to use other sources of renewable energy (given the level of advanced technology MCU has, this should not be a problem at all);
4) finally, by using the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos could've done ANYTHING. Creating new planets full of resources, creating new technology, using the Gauntlet to provide infinite energy or food, heck, even rewriting genetics of life in the Universe to require less energy.
But nah, he decided to kill half the life in the Universe. Sure is edgy, but stupid and evil. Why stupid, you aks? Because population grows geometrically. The numbers he killed would be back in a generation or too. So Thanos would be left with two options: either try this genocide all over again (and again, and again), or to admit that he was wrong.
@@FelineElaj thats a good point and speaking of the birth rates, I heard that it was because of the vaccine which is crazy
I have been waiting for this! This is truly well done! Hope you discuss the comic book version of Thanos obsessed with Death. Keep being awesome.
AMAZING video Vile Eye I've been waiting for a video of him for a long time!!!!!!!!! Two ideas for possible villain videos would be Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory and Michael Scott from the Office!!!!!!!!!
Great vid. Surprised you didn’t go into more detail regarding his treatment of his daughters. As for a suggestion on upcoming vids, Thulsa Doom from Conan, or the Predator
i once saw a theory video that put forth the thought that instead of thanos wanting to help the universe, he wanted to prove he was right. mabye he didn't realize it himself, but he wanted to prove that those who exiled him were wrong, that he was right. that's why he didn't consider other options, he NEEDED to use hes way, and it needed to succeed. this also aligns more with he's personality (yaknow the sometimes tortures people thing).
One thing you didn't go into detail about was how Thanos' obsession with proving that his solution of balancing the universe is the only one that could have worked influences another aspect of his personality that makes his evil even greater: his complete intolerance of failure. Throughout the entire MCU we see multiple examples of this: The Other warning Loki of the pain that awaits him should he fail to deliver the Tesseract; Thanos' threat to Ronan to not return again empty-handed; Ebony Maw, the one minion who has never failed Thanos, expressing fear at the 'judgement' that would await him should he reach Titan with the Time Stone still attached to Dr Strange; and of course most importantly, Thanos' mutilation of Nebula every time she lost a fight to Gamora. Thanos is so traumatised by his own perceived failure to save his people that he cannot abide failure in anyone around him, even his own adopted children, lest it create the risk that he himself will fail again.
Thanos must not have really thought his plan through, because if he wanted to eliminate half of all life in the universe, that would include plants and animals consumed as resources by the consuming sapient beings. That wouldn't mean more resources for the remaining half of beings, but rather the same ratio of disparity of resources among living beings, only halved, with a greater void of life left unfilled.
Hm good point
Thing is, he's too self-deluded to see his genocidal methods were wrong, and more concerned with proving himself right.
I believe the famous Neil deGrasse Tyson talked about this with other experts on his youtube channel.
They specifically note “half of all sentient life”, meaning plants were likely excluded. However, animals are resources, too.
@@Rasmos I don't know when they specify that, but plant resources rely on animal resources to thrive, and then we have to resolve the definition of the word "sentient" - a hard thing to define. Imagine it means only beings that pass the so-called "mirror test". Now we have an overabundance of meaningless resources, like stray pets, that we'll just have to euthanize. (Thanks Thanos) We'll have enough food to go around, but half the people who manage it will have died. When I watched an optimistic futurist video about how 3D printed homes were going to "solve the housing crisis" I was shocked to have to point out that the reason people are homeless, is not because there aren't enough *homes* to go around. The way we define and manage resources is not dependent on their objective incidence rate. Even if we accept the questionable idea that we know what "sentient life" is, there's basically no scenario where the outcome of this is good
I grew up reading Thanos centered comics by Jim Starlin and it was so refreshing to see them stay true to his character in Infinity War. Endgame however...eeh
Endgame was the exact same character only with knowledge of the future. Endgame Thanos was the perfect outcome
Infinity war Thanos wasnt true to the comics....
But it was better.
Endgame was more like the comics.
@@ghost245353 nah endgame thanos was younger which to me is significant, he seemed more mature in infinity war.
@@diannajennings266 Endgame is more accurate to the modern comics, sure, but not Starlin's era of the character. Infinity War follows the Thanos Quest/Silver Surfer Thanos who truly believed he was doing the right thing, who showed regret for his quest, was extremely attached to Gamora and learned to respect his opponents.
Thanos is everything Lex Luthor says Superman is; A self-righteous alien who abuses his power that thinks he knows what's best for everyone.
But Superman doesn't abuse his powers at all, that's Lex Luther reflecting himself on someone else for he is truly the one with lots of power and he definitely abuses.. all he does is lie and exploit people, create weapons of mass destruction and sells it to corrupt govts and the black markets. Superman uses his powers to SAVE people, not to control and abuse people. That completely is Lex Luther. The what if storylines where Superman is written as evil doesn't count.. maybe you have to rewatch Superman the animated series again, which is the true portrayal of the man of steel.
@pizzahighfive I don’t think you read the comment correctly… she’s saying that Thanos meets that criticism of Superman. Thanos is the self righteous alien, Thanos is the one thinking he knows what’s best for everyone, Thanos abuses his power. Reread the comment.
So true 👍
My only issue for Thanos in MCU is that he doesn't even mention Death as a concept in this, which is a part of a reason why he's bent on erasing the universe in half in the first place.
I find it interesting that after he snapped half the universe, he just goes and lives in a wooden shed in the forest. no desire to rule the new world after he made it.
Kinda feels irresponsible, like it's a pretty big transition and he's done it on smaller scales before. He has experience in making it work, he should at least check on things. It's like conquering a country, if you don't set up some form of government, even just a puppet regime, it'll return or break into anarchy.
@@midafcodm but thanos never wanted to rule. his goal wasn't to conquer. just to correct
What is life without Analyzing evil? What? 🔥🔥🔥
Lol exactly.
Instead of erasing half the universe's population, he could have used the stones to quadruple all the resources, make the resources more efficient or anything else.
The Monster just wanted to kill people..not even evil people just people...
@@fideletamo4292 It makes more sense in the comics. He wanted to bang mistress death.
@@OnlyTwoShoes nope..
He wanted to bring balance...quadraple is not balance.
That's why he's the "mad" titan, he's insane and actually enjoys killing and thinks himself as a savior. That's why he did that instead of making more resources.
This was brilliant.
Would love to see you cover Davoth / The Dark Lord from Doom
Dude was dealt the shittiest hand in the cosmos. The Maykrs are the real villains
Im not sure if you care much as the definition of decimate has shifted a lot but technically when you said. "Decimate the population of a planet by half." It was not correct usage of the word. Decimate means to reduce by one tenth or kill one in every 10.
One thing that is never discussed with Thanos' plan and what happened with his homeworld is that his species is extremely long lived which means as more people where being born people where not dying as the same rate, resulting in the over population. Species like humans, however, have a much shorter lifespan by comparison meaning as more people are more you would have more dying, compared to Thanos' species, which helps more easily maintain the balance.
It's a huge flaw that is never considered when discussing Thanos' plan.
Some folks also forget Thanos also erased half of the animal population on top of the sentient population.
This is gonna be good. By the way, Omni-Man analysis video?
Thanos is the type of villain that makes even heroes question their actions and that is what made the Mad Titan so opposing.
Arthur Mitchell. Trinity killer from ‘Dexter’. Complex enough to talk about because he experiences emotions over loss in addition to his psychopathy.
One thing I don’t see people talking much about, is that what if the mind stone planted all these crazy ideas and plans into thanos’ head? We know he gave Loki the scepter which contained the mind stone, and we saw how the mind stone was making all the avengers very uncharacteristically hostile towards each other on the heli-carrier. What if thanos was in possession of the stone for years and years and it just corrupted him?
As always you put so much work into your videos, thank you!
Unfortunately I feel you and a lot of others get the wrong idea about Thanos. He DOES want to kill half of all beings in the universe, he loves killing and he also is absolutely insane. Ebony Maw holding Obsidian back to let Thanos have his fun with the Hulk, killing the dwarves anyway and cutting off Itri's hands, he truly is just an insane and violent brute who loves killing but has convinced himself that if he wipes of half of all life it will also be a good thing. He gets to kill half of all life AND he has convinced himself the universe will also prosper. He knows there's dozens of other options, he is immensely intelligent after all. He knows that with the stones he would have a hundred other ways to save the universe. He just doesn't care. He loves killing and has therefore come up with, in his mind, a valid reason for wanting to wipe out half of all life. He's not as deep as people think.
You’ve put so many words into this comment!
Unfortunately, Thanos did the right thing and nobody knew. If you watched Eternals you would know
@@Yavl Incorrect. Celestials emerging? Prevent that. Easy
The “Hello everyone” is always perfectly timed. 😂
He definitely plans that out purposely its always synced with the villiam
I think what makes Thanos so evil because not only is his plan wrong and not based on reality, but even if he was right, once he has all the Infinity Stones and could solve the problem by making sure that every living thing in the universe has the resources they need, he can't even imagine that and decides genocide is the only solution.
I would love to hear your breakdown of Negan from The Walking Dead. While he eventually goes into an anti-hero roll he starts off a villain that the viewer or reader hates.
Man I love the vocabulary you use it’s making me smarter everyday
Cinematic Thanos villainous goal are lot better then the Love Sick Thanos from the comic book universe .
Thanos is a narcissist: “I am Inevitable!”
I’d really like to see you do Howard from 10 Cloverfield Lane. One of my favorite villains from any film and would make for an extremely interesting video.
Thanks so much for finally doing this video!
Ever since I discovered this channel, I wanted a video on Thanos.
He is my absolute favorite villain of all time.
Love the content, and keep up the great work!
Any of the Halo villains would be a great dive; the Prophet of Truth, Tartarus, Cortana, Gravemind, etc
Great analysis as always.could you make an analysis On:
- Johan liebert from "monsters"
- light yagami from "Death note"
??
Johan is probably one of the best villains of all time. Would love to see that video
Johan is incredible, light is just an arrogant kid with low moral standards..i can't wait for him to do johan
Thanos, simply, is a killer. He has the power to kill on the grandest scale imaginable. He cannot think past killing. He is, simply, a killer.
you should cover one of the mcu's only other proper villains, Kingpin from Daredevil. Vincent D'onofrio's performance in it is next level, especially for a TV show villain.
11:25 I think a line that perfectly encapsulates that idea is one that was in the trailer but not in the movie. "Fun is not something one considers when balancing the universe, but this does put a smile on my face.”
Been waiting for this one!! Thanks so much - Your writing and delivery is top notch and always a pleasure to watch.
A very interesting insight into an insidiously logical, yet somewhat empathetic villain.
The way the vile eye 👁 ends his videos isn’t always clear. Was his conclusion that Thanos wasn’t evil but treaded down a path of what he considered to be a necessary evil?
Empathetic? He killed the daughter that he forced to stay with him After she watching him kill her parents..then he sacrified her..that's certainly an empathetic Guy...
The scariest thing about thanos is how many audience members walked away from the film thinking he was right
It makes these dumb people scarier than thanos...lol...people are so dumb...
try go on twitter and you'll soon think the same
Thanos was right.
because he was
Lets be honest, when im looking at today's world, its inevitable collapse, but unlike him or any other social system in recent history who are trying to correct it, im just waiting to see it all crumble to dust. I mean destroying this system is like setting alerady burned down house on fire, its redundant, and this hypercapitalist world is committing suicide on its own.
Actually outsmart Thanos will be hilariously simple.
Thanos plan has a massive flaw: Everything he was doing was completely POINTLESS!
He talks about resources and chaos in the universe an his plan is to kill only half of the universe, wich in the end doesn't solve the problem at ALL the time it would take to repopulate the universe to numbers pre snap would be almost insignificant in cosmic time scale, one single snap wouldn't even make a dent on the numbers.
Less than one hundread, even some thousands of years are NOTHING, the cycle will restart almost immediately in cosmic scale, nothing what Thanos did makes any difference.
It would make a difference if he eliminate half of the inteligent species in the universe, entire planets, entire space empires, gone in a matter of seconds, then it would make a significant difference, but half of the life in the universe? Nope, sorry it doesn't work this way because civilizations grow exponetially, supposing Thanos did instead kill half of the civilizations in the universe, even this would make much of a difference, because, and again in cosmic scale nothing will prevent the surviving civilizations to take the place of the previous one or new ones appear, it would take a few million years but it would eventually happen, and this also is nothing compared with the universe time scale.
Thanos plan is flawed, and it seems that the Mad Titan can't do simple calculations... and believe me, i suck with math, but even i could see the stupidity in his plan.
please do an episode of Light Yagami from Death Note, Gustavo Fring from Breaking Bad, Askeladd from Vinland Saga, Homelander from The Boys, Silco from Arcane, and lastly: Eren Jaeger from Attack On Titan.
I've been really hoping for this one, thank you so much!
Thanos Titan Consumed really dives into the back story of this version of Thanos and is a great read or listen here on TH-cam.
That's the point: Thanos' motivation doesn't make sense. A being that intelligent should know that neither doubling the resources nor halving the consumers would solve the problem permanently, but doubling the resources would be at least a less horrible way delaying it. Going deeper into this, you would even realize that the hole thing of overpopulation wasn't a real problem anyway. It might have been on his homeworld for reasons we do not know. But in general, it wouldn't be. It might be plausible that the fate of his home traumatized him in such a way that he became tunnelvisioned and therefore the extremist he is. But then it wasn't properly explained and also doesn't really match his overall appearance and behavior in the movies. Also, his motivation was never really challenged in the movies. Both Gamorra and Strange challenge the way he wants to achieve his goal but not the irrational motivation itself which indicates that the writers haven't realized that this motivation is deeply flawed even when they had the perfect antithesis for this claim - Tony Stark who solved the energy crisis with technology.
So the only thing so save this would be a hidden motivation behind the motivation he claims for whatever reason. But considering the god-like power he has with the stones, I cannot see any threat that couldn't have been prevented otherwise.
Some people think that The Eternals gave a hint for Thanos' real motivation in preventing the Celestials from destroying many worlds by wiping out half of the population to delay their "hatching". But for the reasons I mentioned, this also doesn't make sense as it would be only delayed and isn't even the best solution in the first place as snapping away the Celestials would be the more effective solution. For the same reason, the "Thanos saved the universe from Galactus" theory doesn't work. Unless you want to claim that the Infinity Stones are so weak that they cannot remove the Celestials or Galactus from existance. But that would at least be a more rational motivation than the overpopulation thing.
I still really like MCU Thanos as a villain but what prevents the movies from being perfect for me is his flawed motivation which could be challenged by every 10 year old.
Yeah but that's why he is so interesting. It's like Joker who's motto is basically, "life is meaningless". Anyone can debate that at any age. Of course life has meaning. Jokers trauma is what makes him ignorant to the fact. Same here. Thanos trauma is what makes him ignorant to the fact. To Joker and Thanos, it doesnt matter because they've experienced their trauma and were heavily damaged by it so no amount of reasoning, no matter how sound, would be able to convert them.
That's the idea. His solution is the wrong one. He is mad. You figured it out.
You were describing how Thanos's "logic" led him to the conclusion that halving the consumers in the universe would halve consumption and save everyone, but I think you miss a crucial point about Thanos which is this: it's not solely about saving the universe. It's about showing the universe that he was right, that if his people would have listened, they would not have died out. If killing half of everyone fixes the problem, he is vindicated. So I contend that your perception of Thanos's plan being born from him being "too logical" is incorrect and a stretch, I would describe his plan as being born from a sort of deranged guilt, born from his helplessness in sparing his planet and its people their fate. He's not a man who is being logical, he is a man who is desperate to prove that the fate of his people could've been averted, that he was right, and that his condemnation was unjust.
The basis for my claim, other than that I think it just makes more sense, is the fact that Titan's fate is so heavily emphasized in the first place, to the point that he intends to meet his children on the dead planet to use the Infinity Stones, and that a huge showdown takes place there. The filmmakers really wanted to hammer home that Thanos is a sentimental person, sentimental for his long dead planet, and I think the intent was to give us some insight into his motivation.
All of your other questions fall into place when you consider it like this. For example, the question of why he didn't use the stones to address the problem in some other way, or the concern about future generations not implementing his policy and the same problem emerging again. The thing is, it's clear Thanos doesn't care; he even destroys the stones after his plan is fulfilled. This is a man who was not invested in the fate of the universe, but only in showing the universe he was right. Furthermore, I'll add that in the Endgame film, his motivation changes (to remaking the universe) precisely when his solution is challenged: when he realizes that the people who remained in the universe, years after he implemented his solution, would not only refuse to live with it but would come and kill him for it.
My point is, I don't think Thanos is a logical or compassionate person, or rather that his logic and compassion is what motivated him. I think it's pure hubris, purely personal, a man trying to prove a point, and taking it personally when his point isn't taken. It certainly makes more sense than just saying he's compassionate but too crazy to realize genocide is bad.
watch the movie Eternals, or just a recap of it. It will change the way you think about Thanos
@@Yavl I'm familiar with the plot of Eternals, and nothing in that film suggests to be me that Thanos is actually aware of the eternals or what they do when he proposes his initial solution to Titan's problems, nor when he's enacting genocide on planets, nor when he procures the Infinity Stones, and especially not when he decides to wipe the universe out in Endgame.
OP, what you said is what I love about Thanos…and consequently hate about the way he’s presented to the audience. Just look at the number of people who still don’t realize the point you were making about him. It’s clear what Thanos truly is underneath, but the movies dance around that aspect instead of ever really having it called out on and that annoys me immensely. The “pretends to be a well intentioned extremist but really just wants to show the world he was right” Thanos is a great design for a villain, but it’s something better understood in retrospect and not while watching the movie, which is why he’s hard to really like despite his true personality and ego being great.
Thought of some good ones for you, in no particular order:
-Pablo Escobar, specifically his fictionalized narcos character, or any drug lord from Narcos.
-maybe The Byrds as a family from Ozark
-Neil McAuley (DeNiro) in Heat
-Mr. Glass from Unbreakable
-Kevin in Split
-Cersei Lannister
-Commandant (Elba) in Beasts of No Nation
-Marlo Stanfield from The Wire,(this one especially is one of the most evil characters on one of the greatest shows of all time) or Chris Partlow, or even Snoop.
So anyone of those would make an excellent episode. I look forward to what you have in store my friend.
- A loyal subscriber
Vicious from Cowboy Bebop, Gul Dukat from Star Trek
I’m so grateful that you analyzed Thanos but you’ve almost covered the entire horror villain icons except for Chucky, Jason, and maybe one other. It just feels incomplete to me that you’ve analyzed Michael, Freddy, Pinhead, and Leatherface, but not Jason or Chucky and that one other.
Thanos: Hi everybody!
Everyone: Hi Dr. Thanos!
Guess which Simpsons character has this as his catchphrase.
His logic was hilariously flawed, short-sighted and based on both enormous ego and lack of imagination.
He was smart enough to be dangerous, but stupid enough for everyone who was not blinded by his charisma to see flaws in his plan. Perfect blockbuster villain.
Thus, the stupidity of MCU Thanos has been laid bare to us.
Suggestions:
Roy/Aaron - Primal Fear
Buffalo Bill - Silence of the lambs
Voldemort - Harry Potter series
Iago - Othello
Hap - The OA
Joffrey - Game of Thrones
Ramsey - Game of Thrones