@bobwatters you need help, bob. what about someone who bases their arguments on anecdote (the literal definition of one data point) and otherwise cherry-picks data to support his argument without thinking critically about the source. When someone is so disconnected with reality, that they think nonsequitors are logical, they can't form a coherent argument. and your comment is complete hyperbole, because ABL was explaining the definition of people not having access to abortions and then saying that obviously that means that everyone had access. get your ears checked. then maybe get an mri. no ableism intended, i'm thinking come CTE
Btw he literally said the last debate that he can’t speak on behalf of the whole black community around when destiny asked why blacks make worse decisions than whites.
He makes up a real part of the black community .. A group is made up of individuals. The entire premise that was unfortunately not spoonfed to him was individual choices and how many antidotes does it take to make a 70 person study... Or to make a majority.. ? What would make up stats on blacks want to get an abortion but didn't have east access? anecdotal occurrences compiled together for consensus? INDIVIDUALITY , PEOPLE!
@@shinyhaunter6019 just be consistent. Again, if someone tells a feel good story about the nazis you have to question their intentions, even if it is true lol
"A 50% increase isn't that big of a deal" you heard it here first. Imagine the doctor said that you lost 50% of your chance to beat cancer. "isn't that big of a deal"
It depends though. If your survival rate goes from 1% to 1.5%, that’s a 50% increase but not really a big deal. This is one of those things that’s context-dependent
@@davidm9026 But anyone who wanted to live would take that 50% increase in survival, highlighting its significance. No one would say "only .5% more? That doesnt matter."
My friend was given a 30 percent chance to beat bone cancer and she was ectatic because she thought it was 0 when she got the diagnosis. The doctor was rather confused by her ellation. The context is everything.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but he sounds like he has the capacity to be an intelligent person but has chosen or been unwittingly indoctrinated into the right and the mentality of "I got mine so why can't everyone else?" and now he literally can't change his point of view because his stupid youtube career depends on it and right wing "logic" is completely uniform. anytime anyone breaks lockstep they are thrown to the wolves. Evolving on an issue is difficult for anyone to do, never mind that you're incentivized not to be intellectually curious on the right.
Tomi was obliterated by the right(and literally fired by The Blaze) when she supported abortion. What's the point of lying, dude? You know I can easily find you dozens upon dozens of threatening hate fueled comments and tweets, right? Man, you guys live in another reality. I honestly don't know the point of talking to people who just make shit up and deny reality when they're wrong....
iHost I understand the sentiment, but he is actually pretty dumb. You can tell by his rhetoric. When destiny was getting emotional he said he was "emotionally driven", despite the fact that it is weird phrasing it also is not even a sound argument. It implies that someone showing emotion during a debate means that all of their arguments are driven by emotion - that is such a huge leap and him not even accurately using a conservative talking point. Also he says in the video that blacks think "white people are undefeatable". Which is a point that nobody has ever made and you will have to be a literal idiot to think this is the case
"Let's assume black people were disproportionately affected by redlining. Whites were still affected by this as well so I guess that means blacks didn't have it worse since other races were affected." How can he not hear himself. I really hope most conservatives follow some actual line of logic.
I think he's incredibly dumb (I was gonna say dishonest but listening on, I don't think that's the case) and a bit of an uncle tom. I find it incredible he seems to think the left believes that black people are the *ONLY* group that is ever marginalized. If he doesn't believe that then most of his arguments are pure whataboutisms that contribute nothing. He dismisses statistical evidence time and time again but relies on Destiny to do the heavy lifting and research his own points. There's a black conservative woman I'd love to see Destiny debate I can't remember her channel name but she (tree of logic) seems smart. Would love to see an actual honest debate
You're right, generally I'd agree but he bends over backwards to say that if something that disproportionately effects black people also happens to white people regardless of it's scale then it somehow discredits unjust treatment. I'll say I wouldn't ever use it as an argument to his face but the fact is racist people love using *his* arguments. That's extremely damaging. I'm glad Destiny decided to have another debate with him and I hope ABL agrees to a third with a more structured format so they aren't talking over each other. (and so ABL can actually pull up his own sources etc.)
Neon Barn Owl You're thinking of Candace Owen's, she is just as bad and does the same thing of making general statements that are never backed up. Joe Rogan took her to task and that wasn't even a debate. She performed horribly.
Christopher Alford no no Candace owens legit has brain damage. This lady on TH-cam is older maybe in her 30/40s and if I'm not wrong has dreads and glasses Just found her channel: Tree of logic
naw man, because, lawgically what you said isn't true, because as the black community I do have a sense of the big picture. i think i've proven my point if you want to move onto a different subject.
Probably because Destiny only knows how to use fallacies and ridiculous analogies. I love how he thinks he's an amazing debater when he, for example, uses an appeal to authority almost every time he's disproven on a point.
@@thelaughingman4791 I don't really feel like re-watching this 1 hour video to find the exact timestamps, but there are numerous examples of Destiny using the appeal to authority fallacy. He did it against Mr. Metokur in their debate. He did it against Naked Ape when he brought up the study in FL [(after Naked Ape refuted the study, 'Well I think I'll trust the college educated scientist, blah blah blah' (paraphrasing, of course)], and he just did it in this debate with the dispute over housing discrimination. As a matter of fact, he literally blended an appeal to authority _and_ a bandwagon appeal, "Look at _all_ these college educated people who disagree," completely ignoring Anthony's point. Face it, Destiny is a terrible debater. I often find myself face-palming at his attempts to construct decent arguments even when I'm on the same side of the fence because he's such a pompous pseudo-intellectual, forever propping himself up with logical fallacies galore.
Destiny: So what's your point? ABL: There are green apples Destiny: There is 1 green ABL: But, my grandma saw ten green apples. Destiny: So all the apples are green now? ABL: I didn't say that, I'm just telling you a story showing that the apples are green Destiny: But in this bag there are 9 red apples and 1 green ABL: That's just your opinion Destiny: 🤯 ABL: Why is your brain exploding? Any logical person can see it's logical.
No. There are several occasions where Destiny clearly rewords the other guys argument to misrepresent him. Literally all you have to do is watch the video.
I like Destiny. That being said, sometimes... 1st guy: If you ever disagree with anything I say, please interrupt me because I want to be sure we don't gloss over anything. All right, so you're saying that A, but actually- 2nd guy: No, what I'm saying is- 1st guy: No, no, no, you have to let me finish, please let me finish this point!
Sir. Sir. Sir. While the current consensus on peanut allergies is that you could die if you are allergic to and eat peanuts, that consensus could change, so eat up. No need to reply to this comment, I think I've proven my point. Edit: Logically.
@@yurihageshi8008 Yes and also, the earlier one starts, the better chance of success one is likely to have. Also kids who grow up with pets in the family (even a pet as small as a hamster) often grow up to have healthier immune systems as adults. It's pretty cool.
oh boy! good for you, you only stopped watching up to that part, ABL was laughing at the idea that gyms help kids with education. that is the part when i was "FUCK THIS GUY!"
I watched the whole thing and his argument is basically did effect any white people? If yes then it's not racist. Also there is something ducking bizarre about a white dude (I know he is part cuban) explaining this the a black dude.
@@SplashTasty bro what, just because I don’t know a word I’m supposed to be excluded from conversations? Isn’t this racism lol, I thought this whole talk was to give people of colour equal opportunities, and what a coincident, statistically people of colour are not as educated as the white folks, “let’s kick out the less educated minorities” is the vibe that I’m getting from you
@@yanwong8851 He’s pointing out that he is a flagrant t liar and a total fool. Also, racism is against a group for a characteristic, not disliking an individual for something they do.
You can't stop everyone from dying best you can do is have a structure to minimize it. There are already laws that make it illegal and they work most of the time.
Not everything "illegal" ends in arrests. A bank or organization doesn't get "arrested". Here's some examples of recent (last 3 years) examples of redlining discrimination against Black people: On September 24, the U.S. Justice Department announced a settlement with Hudson City Savings Bank for close to $33 million after an investigation found that it was avoiding doing mortgage business with African Americans and Latinos between 2009 and 2013. The Justice Department calls it the “largest residential mortgage redlining settlement in its history.” As U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman explained to Emily Badger for The Washington Post, “[i]f you lived in a majority-black or Hispanic neighborhood and you wanted to apply for a mortgage, Hudson City Savings Bank was not the place to go.” The bank serviced one of the largest housing markets in the nation, covering mortgages throughout New Jersey, New York, and even Philadelphia. But the bank went out of its way not to set up any branches in minority neighborhoods. As part of the settlement, Hudson City will have to open two full-service branches in non-white communities. On September 10, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman settled with Evans Bank for $825,000 after discovering that the bank erased black neighborhoods from maps used for determining mortgage lending. According to Schneiderman, of the over 1,100 mortgage applications the bank received between 2009 and 2012, only four were from African Americans. The Buffalo News reports that other banks in the area could be flagged next for redlining. In May, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced a $200 million settlement with Associated Bank over redlining in Chicago and Milwaukee. The HUD complaint said that the bank denied mortgage loans to black and Latino applicants between 2008 and 2010. As in the Hudson City case, Associated Bank will have to open new branches in predominantly black and brown communities. Please research redlining without resorting to confirmation bias and cognitive bias. You're not being honest or you're remaining willfully ignorant to the truth and I have no idea why.
Anthony Brian Logan My dude, you asked "if it was happening" and I was just helping you out by providing you examples that, yes, it _does_ happen and yes, it _does_ directly affect Black communities. Have a good day!
Anthony Brian Logan do you not understand how statistics work? Honest question. Literally no one but you is saying unjust situations happen to ONLY black people. Just you. Don't know why you're so fixated on saying literally every single black person that will ever live will face discrimination and if the percentage falls short of 100 it must not be true. Outliers don't nullify overwhelming probability. If I told you your chances for getting lung cancer is increased if you smoke would you think the two elderly buddies you happen to know debunks that fact? If you're not dumb stop being dishonest.
What most people fail to realize here is that ABL is making the initial claim that escaping the victim mentality is key to success. This to me is a more practical and healthier mentality.
Thank you! Its just these people with the victim mentality can't see that painting a invincible enemy and blaming it for all their problems, is literally gonna make things worse and spread this toxic mindset making it harder and harder to think they can successed because they are a victim. But they are just the victim of their own stupidity
Jorge Andrade also Destiny seems to be focused on having the government solve the problems facing minorities and I believe it should start from the individual then to the family then to the community and so on
That’s a great tale of heroics but what’s that worth to say, children in war torn third world countries? It’s a nice sentiment, but you can’t expect certain individuals to appreciate it when they’re literally trying to survive. Which honestly you American’s seem to deny how bad your guys impoverished areas are.
Overcoming adversity isn’t easy, but it becomes more difficult when believe you can’t do anything about it and you have to wait and hope someone else takes the load off
Anthony: Can you prove my argument is impossible? Destiny: Well no cause that’s a stupid argument and there’s always exceptions. Anthony: I PROVED MY POINT!
From 'guns hanging out of their pockets' through the 'Mercedes and the Benz' I think 'kids get shot at basketball courts' might be new low. Sad to see people like this exist.
-SIR, SIR EXCUSE ME UM SIR that point is just illogical, just because they are playing sports doesn't mean they don't get shot still. .....>talking about education IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!! I mean, if we're going THERE, do they get shot more on basketball courts or in class? Students I mean, let's not make this a racial thing... fk me ded the dodges in this exchange are next level transparency
Gamerbro who liquefied his brain by playing thousands and thousands of hours on end of mindless boring Diablo3 getting consumed by leftist media? Who would've guessed...
I wish I knew what you meant. I'm from EU so left/right can be pretty different here compared to the US, and I'm not involved in politics whatsoever. I just find these discussions entertaining. I guess my brain is liquefied by playing videogames I enjoy playing.
Big Papa Let the record show that it is the aforementioned comvoluted reasoning, displayed by the individual in question, along with his apparent disdain for blackness as a whole, which has led us in the Black Delegation to disown him in exchange for El P from Run the Jewels.
Also, we the members of the Black Delegation, would like to "fast track" this exchange, before members of the White Delegation figure out who El P is. All those in favor?
TIMESTAMPS 2:15 - the debate begins 3:27 - Did redlining target Black people? 8:03 - Is historical consensus reliable? 15:22 - Are Black people really free? 19:22 - What should we do about these problems? 23:05 - Can one person be representative of an entire group? 26:06 - Is ABL capable of understanding data and statistics? 37:19 - Is there really a bigotry of low expectations? 38:57 - Does your cultural background matter? 40:55 - Why are Asians doing better than Blacks? 46:34 - Is ABL a race-realist? 47:27 - Who really holds the bigotry of low expectations? 52:31 - Should we care about these problems in schools? 55:39 - Is it really important for kids to have extracurricular activities? 58:13 - Is obesity really a problem for Black people 1:06:35 - main disagreements
This dude really needs to do some reading. This is embarrassing. I live in Kansas City, home of jc Nichols who pioneered redlining. His legacy lives on, as Kansas city is still extremely racially segregated in housing. "racism in Kansas City" is a great book that talks about redlining a little bit, he should pick it up. Why don't people research stuff before they try to make shitty arguments
Mr SHADOW One person doing their best to present a valid argument with research and sources is not the same as ABL being a dishonest actor in the entire debate. If you really want to make that false equivalence between the 2 then you’re most likely the kind of person who doesn’t bother to do any leg work or research of your own, or you pretend to be a moderate on everything to refrain from taking a stance on anything. If you did research on redlining and how it negatively impacted the black community disproportionately...then how could you watch the first 15 minutes of this debate and claim that ABL and Destiny are guilty of the same bs? Even if you’re not aware of the subject being debated...how can you hear the logical gaps ABL has in his argument and really say this guy wasn’t being disingenuous? Destiny isn’t infallible, but I’m not gonna act like he’s ABL or No Bullshit.
You're not wrong, in this case, but maybe don't use that quote. I find that most people who use that quote are Dunning Kruger-ing themselves, so now my instinctual reaction is that anyone using it is probably not very bright. I don't think I'm alone on that reaction.
Destiny : argument backed with stats Anthony: Interrupts him to say it’s false or say he didn’t say that Anthony: says something incorrect Destiny: tries to correct him Anthony: let me finish my point sir it’s logical
Anthony Brian Logan for example saying that there being more abortions than births means there are no problems with access? That conclusion literally in no way logically follows. Then trying to attack Destiny's counterargument with "even if they wanted an abortion, maybe they changed their mind." When you talk about these statistics and how many people wanted something vs. Were able to access it, you don't count in people who "wanted it once at some point but changed their minds before getting it", that's simply not how that works. It makes me wonder whether you seriously think that's a real point or are just incredibly dishonest.
Cody Goble So than race realism is ok when it enda up being a popular belief. Consensus by faith to figures of authority. Most of you havent bothered studying a said field to have come to the points you make. Otherwise you would not need to voice popular beliefs, you would point out the evidence instead.
@submalevolent grace Yeah, you might be right, but new destiny hasnt gotten triggered during a debate in a while actually. Hes actually maintained his emotions and been able to look better because of it while still having rational arguments.
@submalevolent grace to be fair, it's extremely hard to talk to conservatives calmly. 🤣 Their stupidity is just about the most in raging and intolerable thing a person could possibly experience.
tldr comment section: "It is really funny how people from the right can’t hear anything they don’t agree with. Typical right guy" "It is really funny how people from the left can’t hear anything they don’t agree with. Typical left guy"
@@lancecereal3673 Definitely. ABL is a stoic, cold, know it all robot. Destiny seems to be too invested in chasing virtues, virtue signalling is not virtuous. Especially without context and reason
this is a common libertarian argument. they want to defund the education system because they view it as more governmental waste "Libertarians advocate for the complete separation of education and state, because it is believed that is not the role of the government to educate the youth of the country" - and they're often called the reasonable people on the right. they're just as crazy as the rest of them.
Like many liberals, destiny can't see past his narrow mindedness and actually admit that not everyone shares his point of view. He is rude and obnoxious. I would love to see him debate someone like Larry Elder.
Like many conservatives, ABL can't see past his narrow mindedness and actually admit that not everyone share his point of view. He is rude and obnoxious. There fixed it for you. Furthermore, while I can somewhat attest to your point regarding Destiny's super irritating personality and debate style, it's no secret that Destiny is far smarter than Anthony Brian Logan. I don't really know why Destiny always stoops down and debates incredibly inferior people though.
@@johnl9015 You should be ashamed of yourself for being a LEFTY. You must be a second generation or later? Your parents should have whooped your ass bit more. Blacks have more abortion per 1000 births than whites. How da fuck can Destiny say that blacks have LESS access? Are you a moron also?
N7 Stellaris literally lmfao, this man called ABL ignorant for saying someone would rather be free than be a slave. AND he had the balls to call him irrational I’m dead.
@joe buffalo he was saying redlining is just not a black issue only I really wish white people would just mind their own business and stop trying to analyze black people like animals. Or science projects for their own benefit. Find another fucking cause
@joe buffalo Nope, not you can believe that if you want. You can say that whites are at a disadvantage because they are albino and lived in caves, but no one uses that against you for political purposes. We are not living in 1795, so stop trying to keep us stuck in the past. Stop trying to psychoanalyze and psychologically fuck blacks up with some past shit that you want to hold on to. Let black people solve their own issues. We did not NEED to live in white communities in the 30's 40's and 50's. We built our own before the fucking Government demoralized blacks with welfare and psychological games. Myob
Wow Destiny... You're ridiculous... You really let your true colors go here... It's sad all those smarts are being thrown away to assume so much . it's ALL about individuals and individual examples .. You think we look at groups but guess what groups are made out of. There is nuance .. He's a black representative absolutely? He's a part of the black community and he clearly represents the place in the total of black people. I think you are taking his points as conclusions and not just letting the context be what it is... I mean if you cared about black people and their freedoms and dignity you would talk to him the way he mostly is talking to you, calmly .. He's from a single family household.. He's from poverty . his family is from slavery and Jim Crowe. Just horrible the hatred you have ... It's ugly and you need to take some of that book smarts and explore your heart and spirituality.. Idk what I believe but I know that I have a line.. As much as you signal .. Your nature is clearly negative.. And the hypothetical stuff you postulate upon is very dead. You need love to move race relations.. So you scream at someone and belittle them and call them names.. ?? You debate in a slimey way Btw last talk you said black people don't make bad choices then you just said the blacks make worse choices with food and eating habits ... Individuals... I think your problem is you have no idea who YOU are ... And you kinda just act like you know everything about the black experience more than this man... I think you don't have a clue and you just want people to like you .. I'm not saying this to be mean either ! Really I wish you nothing but good fortune and I hope you have a change of heart . maybe you should talk with someone just without any political things or anything.. Just about what you feel ? Ill EVEN TALK TO YOU brother... I'm sorry if anything i said hurt your feelings but you need to move past the past and into the future .. Make your own contributions instead of this cause you are smart ! But you don't seem very wise ! Hey I'm not a genius and I only say these things cause I can see them a mile away. I just feel like you could be doing so much more and make something great !? ABL I'm sorry for the treatment cause I thought it was very uncalled for and you were getting stopped and he was definitely trying to reframe everything you said to get you to slip up or get you to say something considerably similar like poor environments and black environments, I don't think there is anywhere to go with bringing up the past and blaming white people .. As much as he said he wasn't blaming them it's like if my grandparents could come here and make a successful transition from another country like so many immigrants do .. Why can't blacks largely do it after 2 generations in modern society... It just is what it is and we got to help individuals and work for 100 and not fall apart when we are operating at 99% ... We got this people ! 1
Directly on point, the individual is the greatest minority there can be thus the individuals experience is what has to be talked about and viewed. There were a on the street interviews asking college aged liberals why the black community could are “discriminated” against in terms on voting. The liberals said blacks weren’t able to acquire gov IDs and can’t call 911 because of police brutality. The interviewer then went to an inner city and asked the local blacks if they had IDs and if they know how to get them. They obviously said yes, and if they were victims of police brutality they said no, they were positive about police in their neighborhoods. My question is why are blacks considered too stupid to get IDs and why are blacks assumed to be hunted by police when the individual experience is against the spoken liberal narrative? Frankly the hoods should be policed more because there are higher levels of neighbors attacking neighbors and police aren’t called upon due to snitching mentality. Black people aren’t held down by systemic racism but crime mentality within their neighborhoods, of which those same blacks can make the decision to allow their environment to make them criminals or violent resulting in police targeting or decide to avoid criminality and move. I recommend better individual decisions as a whole.
@@FORGDEDELILT absolutely man. I don't think there is anything wrong with helping the children in these neighborhoods! But these adults.. They have to do for themselves or they can't largely say shit... That's how it goes..
@@victorslavick3872 about what exactly? Quite a few things were discussed? You agreeing he's a representative means destiny is wrong too right? So he's wrong. Blanket statements do nothing. Again .. Individual examples. Read the comment before you reply brother and be specific so we can discuss things rationally !
@Eric Hawkins well I understand what you are saying but you have to understand that we are trying to break a system of behavior from not only bad policing but also through poor personal choices . a lot of those are unfortunately a direct influence from black "leaders" and the media fear mongering and making a infrequent horrible occurrence of a perceivable hate crime , as the standard of what ALL black men will experience in this country.. That leads to hate and disobedience by blacks towards the police abd then that leads to the police being more aggressive ... It's not right what Al Sharpton and those FOOLS do to the black community.. Wearing 10k suits while talking about the struggle of the black man... They are basically preachers and capitalising off the sins of the past and the fear that they program into the hearts of men... MOST police are trying to do the right things... Most black people are trying to get by and succeed .. But without fathers for leadership they are left with overwhelmed mothers and these fake race baiting sellouts to teach them cultural and moral values ... And that's where again the violence perpetuates between the police and the black community as well as blacks and other blacks... It's sad and I don't like arguing with people cause I know there are some horrible people out there.. But 1%? 5%... You can't pretend like racism is this HUGE issue.. It's the same things that happen to poor whites or drug addicts of ALL colors .. Read my response to the other person.. I know there are problems on both sides... But blaming all whites as racist and all cops as racist is moronic and not statistically close to reality... We need to work together
Having an extracurricular activity like gyms may help kids get out of crime "Some people get shot on the basketball court" It was at that moment, that I discovered the inherent comedic value of this
Honestly, this guy just doesn't have the capacity to have a rational discussion. He has a fundamental problem with critical thinking. That's why he doesn't understand stats. he speaks in anecdotes because that's all he comprehends. If he weren't so damned smug in his ignorance, I'd feel bad for him. Also, I really wish he'd stop reminding everyone that he's from West Virginia. It's a state that's near and dear to my heart and it has a bad enough reputation already. I KNEW this would be bad, and I listened anyway. I can only blame myself when the aneurism bursts.
I'm from WV as well. This guy is an embarrassment. I guess he road the wave of the right wing trend on youtube to get that check mark by his name because the dude is completely brain dead. At least the McElroy brothers represent WV in a positive way.
This beta opens with an insult to ABL and says conservatives are emotional but then he gets all worked up and uses profanity laced statements... BETA!!!!
ABL is correct about education spending actually. Per-pupil spending has not been a good measure of student performance by any metric. Much of the issues surrounding school education, especially in poor areas, have to do with bad teachers who do not present any value-added. Issues outside of school are super important too. Some of the most predictive educational inputs are actually in peer reviewing teachers to illuminate better teaching styles, replacing chronically under performing teachers among other things. For those interested in education policy, look into the Fryer et. al studies. One was done in 2013 on a bunch of schools in Harlem, NY (I believe they primarily looked at charter schools), and then Fryer implemented what he found in 2014 at the 20 worst schools in Houston, Texas. Really cool, illuminating studies on some of the solutions we can explore to improve our education systems.
I was crying laughing at destinys “50 black friends locked up” thing and the other dude kept asking him questions about it not understanding that destiny was using that to prove personal anecdotes are a bad way to argue
Why is it a bad viewpoint?? Isnt that how your trusted data is created??? No its not and thts the point. Destiny and all these idiots think generalizing how everyones life works is absoute because its put into a statistic. Which statistics are constantly misleading. Destiny is a walking contradiction
@@khaifrench3323 So you dislike arguments backed up by statistics because there’s a possibility of the statistic being flawed? Maybe I’m just reading this wrong
@David Hasselhoff lmao exactly 😂😂he put words in his mouth…he said ACCESS he didn’t say anything about them getting abortions whenever they want to…cuz some ppl can’t afford abortions all he said was ACCESS …meaning if they got enough money and want to do it they can easily do it cuz they got access to it…how slo are y’all….we all got access to stores but we all don’t have the money to buy everything We want in there
D: “There are a bunch of reasons this could be happening.” **starts listing** A: **after one** “This doesn’t apply in literally every single situation or won’t entirely fix the issue” D: “Of course not, I was going to give you a list. I’m curious, how would you address this specific problem?” A: “I dunno” *THE DEBATE*
Sounds honest to me. No one really knows. But the default first step is, taking responsibility for your actions. That's what ABL is saying. And that's what you and this fake white boy and all these other fake pathetic individuals are arguing against. Shit's old son. You want to help others in need? In true need? Help yourself first. EARN it. Earn your virtue. Earn your servitude to the greater good. Stop fucking crying about everything.
D: “There are a bunch of reasons this could be happening. I don't know, there can be... or something like..." These aren't arguments. This are ideas from the ball park of "Well maybe there is some proof God exist we are just no aware of it". Sorry but there are huge holes and leaps in Destiny logic. If more kids is being aborted then born, and Destiny argument is "Maybe more could have access to abortion" that would only make the gap bigger. It would mean even less kids born.
White guy has all the answers for the black community.. Destiny sounds like the Democrat party since the times of the KKK telling black people how to live and think. White Democrats never stopped being racist..
@@wesa5436 as if blacks haven't been doing it for generations. I agree with owning up to mistakes personally amd as a nation, which is something america refuses to do
@pietzsche Thanks for that. That comment was really well thought out, factual and insightful. As soon as I read that, you made me change my mind. Yes. It’s not that big of a deal now. Thanks for that. Wow
Sam Herman This is going in the debate hall of fame. I think for me it's tied with NoBullshit, with Count Dankula as a nice third and Jontron as a fourth.
I'm 14 minutes in... And it feels like you're arguing with a dismissive 5 year old. Coming up with his own rules as the game keeps going is how it feels
It sucks but it doesn't change the nature of their arguments. Someone can call me anything they want as emotionally as they want but if they're right, they're right.
@@ToneFury bringing up the involvement of emotion is a red herring. It does not add to nor take away from the validity of any given argument. If you're convinced one way or the other by how information is presented rather than what is presented, then you're doing yourself a disservice.
Right. Because he can’t just think for himself. Any time a black person has an opinion that doesn’t neatly fall in line with the current left ideology they have some ulterior motive or are brain washed. 🙄
@@michalloveschevelle well when he disingenuously denies a set in stone historical fact that red lining was directed at black people..it’s really fucking hard to take him serious
@@michalloveschevelle when a black man denies statistics and tries to create what he considers facts based on irrelevant statistics (like his entire access to abortion argument) it's kind of hard not to seem him as brainwashed.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Destiny this triggered and nonsensical. kudos to ABL for keeping a level head and staying sincere despite Destiny trying to project his logical fallacies onto him.
What logical fallacies were made by Destiny? If anything ABL is projecting numerous anecdotal fallacies onto Destiny. It would be great if you could actually back up your argument instead of just saying Destiny is triggered and nonsensical
We would be doing mankind a service by moving on from youtube, we would stop people who can't pass high school from becoming famous and manipulating the youth with their idiotic beliefs.
That's what is so fucking scary. You have a fuckload of children and teens that are being exposed to shit that they cannot possibly truly understand. I never thought I'd ever say this shit. Maybe it's because I always had an inquiring mind, but many people don't. They'll end up believing shit that has been debunked a very long time ago as something new and revolutionary. Like the racist science crap. That isn't new. It wasn't even new 100 years ago. It goes as far back as at least the late 18th century and the proponents of all of these ideas have ALWAYS misused, misrepresented, butchered, and outright lied about whatever science was available at the time in order to support their ideas. They also fabricate history to twist it to their own beliefs. Things we take for granted now are extremely new. Nations are new, the concept of race as we think of it is radically new (and always changing). National myths that people in the past believed are completely different than what they are today (and are being ruined even further by assholes like Black Pigeon Speaks), and a million other things. The funniest thing is, many of the people in the Alt-Right aren't even what they think they are. I'm in Canada, there are many alt-righters up here who weren't born in Canada and many didn't even have natural born Canadian parents... they are either first-generation immigrants themselves or children of first generation immigrants. Yet they claim that somehow the country was built entirely by them or their ancestors when by the time they arrived the nation was quite well-built, thank you very much.
All articles matter All evidence matters The high obesity rate for black women doesn't matter School gyms don't matter Funding for schools doesn't matter Redlining was based on credit This is the kind of nonsense I get from ABL ☹️.
This kind of delusion is almost unbelievable I kind of understand ABL's point of view though, he wants to deny that redlining (etc.) has negatively affected black people because he believes that constantly telling marginalised people that bad circumstances in their past are the reason for their current circumstances isn't the best way to help those marginalised people - but he's unable to see that denying the facts of history is by far far worse than just telling those marginalised people that they're able to rise above whatever circumstances they've suffered through Interesting debate, seeing into the mind of a typical conservative, mostly what I got from this is that the level of delusion from these types of people is pretty shocking
66f4e5 I get what you are saying. Idk if he was denying though. Destiny is just bad at holding debates so they both look like shit at the end of it. I actually agree with Destiny a lot in this debate but he runs shit shows and it is all because of his actions and his inability to control himself.
Re the OP -- I can understand why rumination on inequality (past or present) can be counterproductive. Sometimes it can make me feel hopeless; but I agree that the answer isn't denial of its existence, either. I refuse to see myself as anyone's victim, although there have been times I've been victimized because -- hey, I'm a small brown woman who was born in a bad part of the South Bronx. However, whether people call it "my lived experience" (Democrats) or "an anecdote" (Republicans) it's not data. And I've seen both sides present it as if it were data. And this is easy to do, when it's one's own lived experience or anecdote. I guess it's why I don't like the extremes on either side of the political divide. . .
I completely agree! But I think he misunderstands the reason why people point out those circumstances. For example, regarding quality of education: It's not to be "see the educational system where you live sucks so you're gonna be a loser for the rest of your life. Just steal a bunch of stuff instead." It's to go "because the educational system is bad, it's going to increase the likelihood these people aren't going to succeed. They'll be less likely to get good jobs, and more likely to resort to crime. So in order to prevent that... We should try to improve the educational system." But ABL's view is to just ignore the problems in the educational system and tell people to "just study harder" and if they fail the class it's because "you made bad choices and didn't study hard enough."
Studies have shown students who partake in recreational physical activities study better because it releases tension and anxiety. ABL should get his debating game up.
@@Illumirage Big difference between deviating from standard thought and having your positions be based on pure ignorance.
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@@Illumirage how dare you deny the independence of black people by saying every black person that votes democrat which is usually in there best interest is on a plantation
Im not that deep into Destiny's stuff but i hope this isnt how he usually goes about debates nowadays. I dont even disagree with Destiny, but it feels like hes REALLY letting his anger get the best of him and its just a little embarassing when this is supposed to be a debate. I know you may think your opponent may be dumb, but you seriously do not need to have a mental breakdown. This is not how a debate should be conducted.
@@perperperpen When you're dealing with someone who literally doesn't understand why academic consensus is important, it's hard to stay calm. When you're talking to someone who's so confidently fucking stupid, it gets frustrating after the first few minutes.
@@BrendanishLeo right, but i feel like the point of a debate is supposed to be to change the other person's mind. Laughing at them and acting shocked when they say something is not going to change anyone's mind. It only makes them resent you more, therefore furthering the polarization that we have in modern politics.
@@perperperpen You have a drastically different opinion on debate than me, and anyone I know. When you're facing opposition, and both of you are pretty staunch in your viewpoints, the point of debate is almost never to actually change your opponents mind, it's to change the audience's mind. That's what I've gathered from years of religious debate at least.
this dude mistakes Destiny getting emotional because he(anthony) is REALLY, REALLY dumb for Destiny arguing from a place of emotion, which is literally what HE(anthony) is doing. I think I'd just hang up on this dude, so props to Destiny for being so patient.
atariDC_ 😂😂 a prime example of what humanity is today says how dumb someone is but never supports it U guys are just as dumb cause ur siding with a gaming no life loser that’s knows nothing bout politics an that’s adapted to fake news
the problem with this guy seems to be that he does not understand how averages work, or logic for that matter. It appears that if you make a conclusion of any kind that's logic to him, no matter how you got to it.
He seems to think that if some stat says that on average, black people get fucked more than white people, if he can just find one black person who didn't get fucked it's all good since then all the others just made bad choices.
Destiny lives in a bubble of everyone agreeing with him, so he will never think he is wrong if he is poured over with people agreeing with him. Eventually he will think he is a God, because of all the echo chamber people lavishing him with grapes and money.. You are saying don't read articles that disagree with you and then re-assess yourself, re-think your point. "Maybe the other guy could be right.." You want to burn books instead of read them.
I feel this is how most debates are. It just stresses me out lol. This is why I prefer to just listen to lectures on different talking points and weigh them out myself.
I'm not giving you an anecdote, I'm just telling you a personal story.
This comment of his strongly causes one to think that ABL is either trolling and/or is a complete fucking idiot
Anyone who thinks ABL is intelligent needs to hear that clip.
@@saininj Jesse Lee Peterson is considered intelligent by some....
@@fowfow7119 A M A Z I N'
@@wa57s577 lol ok
destiny had 50 black friends in this debate
@Wise Guy 🤓
@Wise Guy Ok?
Would not expect you to be on a destiny video LMFAO
Did you see how bad he started shaking lol clearly lying out of his ASS
@@spineshrine2966 Obviously bro he did it just to see how the other guy would react
Sir. SIR. S I R.
Cinestar Productions massa*
SIR BERN
LUL
I think I proved my point let's move on
POINT PROVEN.
"My favorite color is red mixed with white."
"so your favorite color is pink?"
"I didn't say that."
Technically light red is not the same as pink. Pink is a bit closer to purple than light red.
bobwatters he didn’t say that.
Pee Wee he didn’t say he did it was an example not a quote
Snacks then that’s a lot of random made up bullshit to respond to a joke
@bobwatters you need help, bob. what about someone who bases their arguments on anecdote (the literal definition of one data point) and otherwise cherry-picks data to support his argument without thinking critically about the source. When someone is so disconnected with reality, that they think nonsequitors are logical, they can't form a coherent argument. and your comment is complete hyperbole, because ABL was explaining the definition of people not having access to abortions and then saying that obviously that means that everyone had access. get your ears checked. then maybe get an mri. no ableism intended, i'm thinking come CTE
"Since i am Black, I am the black community" such a solid meme, ABL!
racial equivalent to:
"I want to talk to your manager"
"I am the manager"
ABL DOES NOT REPRESENT ME!! 😂🤣😂
KlayeDoesEverything Lmfao same
Jino Lim I would say he's a troll... But eh entertaining either way
Logan Bald that plan makes no sense
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"I'm the black community."
I'm ready for this to be a meme.
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Batman why are you always beating up on the black community?
Batman: "I AM THE BLACK COMMUNITY!"
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I want this phrase to be linked to Sean Connery via Dragonheart.
Btw he literally said the last debate that he can’t speak on behalf of the whole black community around when destiny asked why blacks make worse decisions than whites.
That’s one step removed from “Bitch! I AM the lizard king”
@@cesarbravo822 th-cam.com/video/miVoe7U6Lx4/w-d-xo.html
"I am the black community" Sir, sir, sir, im the captain now
Technews sir Sir SIR
I AM THE SENATE
If you don't stop 😂😂
He makes up a real part of the black community .. A group is made up of individuals. The entire premise that was unfortunately not spoonfed to him was individual choices and how many antidotes does it take to make a 70 person study... Or to make a majority.. ? What would make up stats on blacks want to get an abortion but didn't have east access? anecdotal occurrences compiled together for consensus? INDIVIDUALITY , PEOPLE!
@@shinyhaunter6019 just be consistent. Again, if someone tells a feel good story about the nazis you have to question their intentions, even if it is true lol
"A 50% increase isn't that big of a deal" you heard it here first. Imagine the doctor said that you lost 50% of your chance to beat cancer. "isn't that big of a deal"
😂
It depends though. If your survival rate goes from 1% to 1.5%, that’s a 50% increase but not really a big deal.
This is one of those things that’s context-dependent
@@davidm9026 actually you want the 0,5% if your Life depents on it =-)
@@davidm9026 But anyone who wanted to live would take that 50% increase in survival, highlighting its significance. No one would say "only .5% more? That doesnt matter."
My friend was given a 30 percent chance to beat bone cancer and she was ectatic because she thought it was 0 when she got the diagnosis. The doctor was rather confused by her ellation. The context is everything.
I knew Antony was kinda slow the first time i saw his videos on youtube and it was double confirmed in the first debate.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but he sounds like he has the capacity to be an intelligent person but has chosen or been unwittingly indoctrinated into the right and the mentality of "I got mine so why can't everyone else?" and now he literally can't change his point of view because his stupid youtube career depends on it and right wing "logic" is completely uniform. anytime anyone breaks lockstep they are thrown to the wolves. Evolving on an issue is difficult for anyone to do, never mind that you're incentivized not to be intellectually curious on the right.
Tomi was obliterated by the right(and literally fired by The Blaze) when she supported abortion. What's the point of lying, dude? You know I can easily find you dozens upon dozens of threatening hate fueled comments and tweets, right? Man, you guys live in another reality. I honestly don't know the point of talking to people who just make shit up and deny reality when they're wrong....
iHost I understand the sentiment, but he is actually pretty dumb. You can tell by his rhetoric. When destiny was getting emotional he said he was "emotionally driven", despite the fact that it is weird phrasing it also is not even a sound argument. It implies that someone showing emotion during a debate means that all of their arguments are driven by emotion - that is such a huge leap and him not even accurately using a conservative talking point.
Also he says in the video that blacks think "white people are undefeatable". Which is a point that nobody has ever made and you will have to be a literal idiot to think this is the case
@sausepoon lmfao
"Let's assume black people were disproportionately affected by redlining. Whites were still affected by this as well so I guess that means blacks didn't have it worse since other races were affected."
How can he not hear himself. I really hope most conservatives follow some actual line of logic.
Neon Barn Owl, sir, the 1% of not black people makes it not racist. I've proven my point.
I think he's incredibly dumb (I was gonna say dishonest but listening on, I don't think that's the case) and a bit of an uncle tom. I find it incredible he seems to think the left believes that black people are the *ONLY* group that is ever marginalized. If he doesn't believe that then most of his arguments are pure whataboutisms that contribute nothing.
He dismisses statistical evidence time and time again but relies on Destiny to do the heavy lifting and research his own points. There's a black conservative woman I'd love to see Destiny debate I can't remember her channel name but she (tree of logic) seems smart. Would love to see an actual honest debate
You're right, generally I'd agree but he bends over backwards to say that if something that disproportionately effects black people also happens to white people regardless of it's scale then it somehow discredits unjust treatment. I'll say I wouldn't ever use it as an argument to his face but the fact is racist people love using *his* arguments. That's extremely damaging.
I'm glad Destiny decided to have another debate with him and I hope ABL agrees to a third with a more structured format so they aren't talking over each other. (and so ABL can actually pull up his own sources etc.)
Neon Barn Owl You're thinking of Candace Owen's, she is just as bad and does the same thing of making general statements that are never backed up. Joe Rogan took her to task and that wasn't even a debate. She performed horribly.
Christopher Alford no no Candace owens legit has brain damage. This lady on TH-cam is older maybe in her 30/40s and if I'm not wrong has dreads and glasses
Just found her channel: Tree of logic
This guy doesn't even argue points, he just comes up with responses to each thing said in the moment, no sense of bigger picture
naw man, because, lawgically what you said isn't true, because as the black community I do have a sense of the big picture. i think i've proven my point if you want to move onto a different subject.
Jack he's clearly just trying to score points so he can feel like he won this "debate" instead of getting an actual message across
Probably because Destiny only knows how to use fallacies and ridiculous analogies. I love how he thinks he's an amazing debater when he, for example, uses an appeal to authority almost every time he's disproven on a point.
@@kevinshealy7117can you give any examples of what you consider to be appeals to authority made by Destiny?
@@thelaughingman4791 I don't really feel like re-watching this 1 hour video to find the exact timestamps, but there are numerous examples of Destiny using the appeal to authority fallacy. He did it against Mr. Metokur in their debate. He did it against Naked Ape when he brought up the study in FL [(after Naked Ape refuted the study, 'Well I think I'll trust the college educated scientist, blah blah blah' (paraphrasing, of course)], and he just did it in this debate with the dispute over housing discrimination. As a matter of fact, he literally blended an appeal to authority _and_ a bandwagon appeal, "Look at _all_ these college educated people who disagree," completely ignoring Anthony's point. Face it, Destiny is a terrible debater. I often find myself face-palming at his attempts to construct decent arguments even when I'm on the same side of the fence because he's such a pompous pseudo-intellectual, forever propping himself up with logical fallacies galore.
Destiny *holds bag of 10 apples; 9 red and 1 green*
Destiny: most of my apples are red
ABL: yeah but you have one green apple tho
Destiny: So what's your point?
ABL: There are green apples
Destiny: There is 1 green
ABL: But, my grandma saw ten green apples.
Destiny: So all the apples are green now?
ABL: I didn't say that, I'm just telling you a story showing that the apples are green
Destiny: But in this bag there are 9 red apples and 1 green
ABL: That's just your opinion
Destiny: 🤯
ABL: Why is your brain exploding? Any logical person can see it's logical.
@@tigresuave11 Destiny: Stop saying logical!
It's more 7 to 3
@Rufus Lloyd ._.
I mean
This debate in a nutshell
1st guy: makes claim
2nd guy: repeat claim
1st guy: I didn't say that, you said that
2nd guy: no u
No. There are several occasions where Destiny clearly rewords the other guys argument to misrepresent him. Literally all you have to do is watch the video.
Paul Nickel no. Unicorns are real.
@@1unknown1er destiny has to reframe in a logical statement and also often agrees with the argument but then the vs pivots
I like Destiny. That being said, sometimes...
1st guy: If you ever disagree with anything I say, please interrupt me because I want to be sure we don't gloss over anything. All right, so you're saying that A, but actually-
2nd guy: No, what I'm saying is-
1st guy: No, no, no, you have to let me finish, please let me finish this point!
"Oh people in the chat going Personal Anecdotes... I'm just, giving you a personal story"
What a spicy meme
gonna be an OMEGA yikes from me dog
yeah that was fkn m i n d b l o w i n g
Emil Jansson destiny has always said that he doesn't care about anecdotes.
Emil Jansson I am saying Destiny never cared about anecdotes,Or his fanbase.
Sir. Sir. Sir. While the current consensus on peanut allergies is that you could die if you are allergic to and eat peanuts, that consensus could change, so eat up. No need to reply to this comment, I think I've proven my point.
Edit: Logically.
@@severedcoil5085 both points are valid. However, exposure treatments have to be monitored very carefully or death can occur
@@yurihageshi8008 Yes and also, the earlier one starts, the better chance of success one is likely to have.
Also kids who grow up with pets in the family (even a pet as small as a hamster) often grow up to have healthier immune systems as adults. It's pretty cool.
"My mom was killed yesterday"
"Nah that's illegal, you can't do that"
🤣😆🤣
Exactly.
This is how black n white some knuckleheads are.
"The funding of a school isn't that important" alright it's been fun but I can't listen to anymore of this
oh boy! good for you, you only stopped watching up to that part, ABL was laughing at the idea that gyms help kids with education. that is the part when i was "FUCK THIS GUY!"
You fools know that sometimes people get shot on the basketball cout?
Hisoka I always knew the liberals were the _REAL_ racists!
But then what about Detroit? Hehehehheehe
I watched the whole thing and his argument is basically did effect any white people? If yes then it's not racist. Also there is something ducking bizarre about a white dude (I know he is part cuban) explaining this the a black dude.
I'll never get over the kkk bought me toys argument 😂😂😂
That had to be because his family snitched or otherwise helped the kkk.
Lol. Just say.. "My grandma raised me to be an Uncle Tom".
@@Orca_Blacksail 😂
Check out what this one can do, it looks like a t but it lights up.
That got to me.
destinys patience got destroyed in this debate : /
He had patience ever?
“People in the chat are saying it’s a personal anecdote... no, I’m just giving you a personal story”
Jesus Christ
So, he isn't clear ion the definition of anecdote.. why is that a big deal? Should we write off the rest of what he says based on that?
@@Ash-of1yl i mean its pretty obvious why not knowing the definition of an anecdote when discussing statistics is a disqualifying factor.
@@SplashTasty bro what, just because I don’t know a word I’m supposed to be excluded from conversations? Isn’t this racism lol, I thought this whole talk was to give people of colour equal opportunities, and what a coincident, statistically people of colour are not as educated as the white folks, “let’s kick out the less educated minorities” is the vibe that I’m getting from you
@@yanwong8851 where did you get any of that from?
@@yanwong8851 He’s pointing out that he is a flagrant t liar and a total fool. Also, racism is against a group for a characteristic, not disliking an individual for something they do.
How can people kill people when its illegal to do that ? Abl logic
It just doesnt make sense, how can redlining be around if it’s illegal?
It’s called sarcasm smart person
@@paulandsilas yeah i guessed so
You can't stop everyone from dying best you can do is have a structure to minimize it. There are already laws that make it illegal and they work most of the time.
"Because it's illegal it can not happen. Therefore that article is incorrect" -ABL
Christopher Alford if it's happening and it's illegal then where are the arrests? 🤔
Not everything "illegal" ends in arrests. A bank or organization doesn't get "arrested".
Here's some examples of recent (last 3 years) examples of redlining discrimination against Black people:
On September 24, the U.S. Justice Department announced a settlement with Hudson City Savings Bank for close to $33 million after an investigation found that it was avoiding doing mortgage business with African Americans and Latinos between 2009 and 2013. The Justice Department calls it the “largest residential mortgage redlining settlement in its history.” As U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman explained to Emily Badger for The Washington Post, “[i]f you lived in a majority-black or Hispanic neighborhood and you wanted to apply for a mortgage, Hudson City Savings Bank was not the place to go.” The bank serviced one of the largest housing markets in the nation, covering mortgages throughout New Jersey, New York, and even Philadelphia. But the bank went out of its way not to set up any branches in minority neighborhoods. As part of the settlement, Hudson City will have to open two full-service branches in non-white communities.
On September 10, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman settled with Evans Bank for $825,000 after discovering that the bank erased black neighborhoods from maps used for determining mortgage lending. According to Schneiderman, of the over 1,100 mortgage applications the bank received between 2009 and 2012, only four were from African Americans. The Buffalo News reports that other banks in the area could be flagged next for redlining.
In May, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced a $200 million settlement with Associated Bank over redlining in Chicago and Milwaukee. The HUD complaint said that the bank denied mortgage loans to black and Latino applicants between 2008 and 2010. As in the Hudson City case, Associated Bank will have to open new branches in predominantly black and brown communities.
Please research redlining without resorting to confirmation bias and cognitive bias. You're not being honest or you're remaining willfully ignorant to the truth and I have no idea why.
So your example did not just affect blacks, and the people responsible were held accountable?
Anthony Brian Logan My dude, you asked "if it was happening" and I was just helping you out by providing you examples that, yes, it _does_ happen and yes, it _does_ directly affect Black communities.
Have a good day!
Anthony Brian Logan do you not understand how statistics work? Honest question. Literally no one but you is saying unjust situations happen to ONLY black people. Just you. Don't know why you're so fixated on saying literally every single black person that will ever live will face discrimination and if the percentage falls short of 100 it must not be true. Outliers don't nullify overwhelming probability. If I told you your chances for getting lung cancer is increased if you smoke would you think the two elderly buddies you happen to know debunks that fact? If you're not dumb stop being dishonest.
*destiny literally debunks all his points
*I THINK IVE PROVEN MY POINT*
But he didn't?
He learned so much from Trump.
he proved the point to himself which is apparently his only standard
"My job here is done."
"...But you didn't do anything."
Andy Benji, hey, be there and make yourself look like a fucking imbecile is something
What most people fail to realize here is that ABL is making the initial claim that escaping the victim mentality is key to success. This to me is a more practical and healthier mentality.
Thank you! Its just these people with the victim mentality can't see that painting a invincible enemy and blaming it for all their problems, is literally gonna make things worse and spread this toxic mindset making it harder and harder to think they can successed because they are a victim. But they are just the victim of their own stupidity
Jorge Andrade also Destiny seems to be focused on having the government solve the problems facing minorities and I believe it should start from the individual then to the family then to the community and so on
That’s a great tale of heroics but what’s that worth to say, children in war torn third world countries? It’s a nice sentiment, but you can’t expect certain individuals to appreciate it when they’re literally trying to survive. Which honestly you American’s seem to deny how bad your guys impoverished areas are.
Trying to undo 300 years of successful oppression with hamfisted poor ideology
Overcoming adversity isn’t easy, but it becomes more difficult when believe you can’t do anything about it and you have to wait and hope someone else takes the load off
Anthony: Can you prove my argument is impossible?
Destiny: Well no cause that’s a stupid argument and there’s always exceptions.
Anthony: I PROVED MY POINT!
Hahahaha
P O I N T P R O V E N
From 'guns hanging out of their pockets' through the 'Mercedes and the Benz' I think 'kids get shot at basketball courts' might be new low. Sad to see people like this exist.
I wish I didnt get the references. My condolences that you had to sit through all that shit too
-SIR, SIR EXCUSE ME UM SIR that point is just illogical, just because they are playing sports doesn't mean they don't get shot still.
.....>talking about education IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!
I mean, if we're going THERE, do they get shot more on basketball courts or in class? Students I mean, let's not make this a racial thing...
fk me ded the dodges in this exchange are next level transparency
Wait what? Could you elaborate on that Virtus Brædder Opstrup?
Gamerbro who liquefied his brain by playing thousands and thousands of hours on end of mindless boring Diablo3 getting consumed by leftist media? Who would've guessed...
I wish I knew what you meant. I'm from EU so left/right can be pretty different here compared to the US, and I'm not involved in politics whatsoever. I just find these discussions entertaining. I guess my brain is liquefied by playing videogames I enjoy playing.
We, the members of the Black Delegation, do not claim this man.
Shawnee Longbow ABL Vetoes this decision as he represents all things Black
Big Papa Let the record show that it is the aforementioned comvoluted reasoning, displayed by the individual in question, along with his apparent disdain for blackness as a whole, which has led us in the Black Delegation to disown him in exchange for El P from Run the Jewels.
Also, we the members of the Black Delegation, would like to "fast track" this exchange, before members of the White Delegation figure out who El P is. All those in favor?
HERE, HERE! Meeting adjourned!
This was good^
TIMESTAMPS
2:15 - the debate begins
3:27 - Did redlining target Black people?
8:03 - Is historical consensus reliable?
15:22 - Are Black people really free?
19:22 - What should we do about these problems?
23:05 - Can one person be representative of an entire group?
26:06 - Is ABL capable of understanding data and statistics?
37:19 - Is there really a bigotry of low expectations?
38:57 - Does your cultural background matter?
40:55 - Why are Asians doing better than Blacks?
46:34 - Is ABL a race-realist?
47:27 - Who really holds the bigotry of low expectations?
52:31 - Should we care about these problems in schools?
55:39 - Is it really important for kids to have extracurricular activities?
58:13 - Is obesity really a problem for Black people
1:06:35 - main disagreements
Thank you!!
U should have gotten more upvoted
Thanks.
Thanks for this man, much appreciated!
🙏 thank you
This dude really needs to do some reading. This is embarrassing. I live in Kansas City, home of jc Nichols who pioneered redlining. His legacy lives on, as Kansas city is still extremely racially segregated in housing. "racism in Kansas City" is a great book that talks about redlining a little bit, he should pick it up. Why don't people research stuff before they try to make shitty arguments
Mal c.H Because they get paid to obfuscate. Why research, when your audience expects you to be their template on how to form all their bad arguments.
Croix Rennie fair enough;)
I'm selling 40 ounces of white guilt. Want some?
I live in KC too. There's a great documentary called "Our Divided City". It's on TH-cam. I recommend anyone interested to watch it.
Mr SHADOW One person doing their best to present a valid argument with research and sources is not the same as ABL being a dishonest actor in the entire debate. If you really want to make that false equivalence between the 2 then you’re most likely the kind of person who doesn’t bother to do any leg work or research of your own, or you pretend to be a moderate on everything to refrain from taking a stance on anything. If you did research on redlining and how it negatively impacted the black community disproportionately...then how could you watch the first 15 minutes of this debate and claim that ABL and Destiny are guilty of the same bs? Even if you’re not aware of the subject being debated...how can you hear the logical gaps ABL has in his argument and really say this guy wasn’t being disingenuous? Destiny isn’t infallible, but I’m not gonna act like he’s ABL or No Bullshit.
That moment when his own argument proves your argument
"You know, sir, often in a basketball court, people get shot at". I lost it.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
You're not wrong, in this case, but maybe don't use that quote.
I find that most people who use that quote are Dunning Kruger-ing themselves, so now my instinctual reaction is that anyone using it is probably not very bright. I don't think I'm alone on that reaction.
The return of the Sir - Point proven II
Destiny : argument backed with stats
Anthony: Interrupts him to say it’s false or say he didn’t say that
Anthony: says something incorrect
Destiny: tries to correct him
Anthony: let me finish my point sir it’s logical
sirsirsrisrisrisirsirsirisir
Destiny constantly misrepresented my arguments, often before I was able to completely make them.
Anthony Brian Logan you barely even made any arguments and even those were bad or flat out fallacious/wrong.
What did I say that was wrong?
Anthony Brian Logan for example saying that there being more abortions than births means there are no problems with access?
That conclusion literally in no way logically follows.
Then trying to attack Destiny's counterargument with "even if they wanted an abortion, maybe they changed their mind." When you talk about these statistics and how many people wanted something vs. Were able to access it, you don't count in people who "wanted it once at some point but changed their minds before getting it", that's simply not how that works.
It makes me wonder whether you seriously think that's a real point or are just incredibly dishonest.
Oh my god this is physically painful to listen to
Mal c.H
Yeah. Destiny is a fool.
Cute how he can chastise those that are religious but can turn to popular belief with blund fate.
If by “popular belief” you mean historical and scientific consensus. Yes
Cody Goble
So than race realism is ok when it enda up being a popular belief. Consensus by faith to figures of authority.
Most of you havent bothered studying a said field to have come to the points you make. Otherwise you would not need to voice popular beliefs, you would point out the evidence instead.
Got super stressed out 13 mins in and had to take a break.
GrimSpeaker dude no. Just stop, you only embarrass yourself.
This debate was not in vain. The frustrative reactions were truly entertaining.
I agree
Destiny vs Density
Destiny got destrooooooooyyyeeed
by having to listen to so much stupidity and ignorance.
@submalevolent grace Yeah, you might be right, but new destiny hasnt gotten triggered during a debate in a while actually. Hes actually maintained his emotions and been able to look better because of it while still having rational arguments.
@submalevolent grace to be fair, it's extremely hard to talk to conservatives calmly. 🤣 Their stupidity is just about the most in raging and intolerable thing a person could possibly experience.
submalevolent grace nah he literally didn’t understand statistics or data. He just relied on anecdotes
@submalevolent grace What did Anthony even remotely argue well for in this debate judging on how well he argued the point including factual backing?
submalevolent grace Are you talking about the Digibro debate?
He can’t understand emotional arguments vs emotion from frustration
you can tell i'm logical because i talk like Data from star trek
atariDC_ hahahahaha I’m dead! He looks like Roge from what’s happing and talks like Data
tldr comment section:
"It is really funny how people from the right can’t hear anything they don’t agree with. Typical right guy"
"It is really funny how people from the left can’t hear anything they don’t agree with. Typical left guy"
ABL needs to listen more closely to understand Destiny's points and Destiny needs to calm down and get off his high horse.
@@lancecereal3673 Definitely. ABL is a stoic, cold, know it all robot.
Destiny seems to be too invested in chasing virtues, virtue signalling is not virtuous. Especially without context and reason
@@Bookish1995 Yeah, Anthony Brian Logan is calm but he is still an idiot.
@@Bookish1995 ABL is a sealioning troll
SIR.
"I AM the black community" Imagine how he'd feel if a black liberal said that.
how would he feel? You Can read minds?
@@IllumirageHe'll dislike it. We all know how these republican work.
@@awsomeboy360 I'm pretty sure that's straight bigotry
Kameron Richardson considering that majority of the black community is liberal, that’s not a stupid statement.
@BrisThaBraveheart i truly don't understand how he'd feel. This is such a non point.
Funding of schools isn't important......wow
this is a common libertarian argument. they want to defund the education system because they view it as more governmental waste "Libertarians advocate for the complete separation of education and state, because it is believed that is not the role of the government to educate the youth of the country" - and they're often called the reasonable people on the right. they're just as crazy as the rest of them.
Like many liberals, destiny can't see past his narrow mindedness and actually admit that not everyone shares his point of view. He is rude and obnoxious. I would love to see him debate someone like Larry Elder.
Like many conservatives, ABL can't see past his narrow mindedness and actually admit that not everyone share his point of view. He is rude and obnoxious. There fixed it for you.
Furthermore, while I can somewhat attest to your point regarding Destiny's super irritating personality and debate style, it's no secret that Destiny is far smarter than Anthony Brian Logan.
I don't really know why Destiny always stoops down and debates incredibly inferior people though.
@@johnl9015 Maybe because he is streaming it and his chat wants him to? Also if the guy wants to debate and says "No balls" or smth, why shouldn't he?
JahRaccoon Fair point. Plus, I like it when Destiny dunks on idiot conservatives and exposes the fuck out them.
@@johnl9015 You should be ashamed of yourself for being a LEFTY. You must be a second generation or later? Your parents should have whooped your ass bit more. Blacks have more abortion per 1000 births than whites. How da fuck can Destiny say that blacks have LESS access? Are you a moron also?
Flash357 True that man! We should really get back to abusing children because of their beliefs. Thanks sir!
"Personal anecdotes? Nah, I'm just giving you a personal story!"
Dude...
Sir
Sir
Sir
sir... heheh... u dont know my true power... I AM THE BLACK COMMUNITY
Sir, it's not a minute, it's 60 seconds.
SIR!!!
"- I say that letters from A to D are bad"
"- So you say that the letter B is bad"
"- I didn't said that"
Damian That’s not what I got out of it. What I got was, “I deliberately refuse to understand ABL. Its much more fun to play the debate game.”
@@DavidKenady Both can be true, but only one of them are saying wrong things, even if the other isn't playing nice about it
*A free independent thinking black man* - this man's worst fear.
@joe buffalo is he a denier because he isn't a left wing puppet like most of the black community? The exact same left wing burning down cities?
joe buffalo im sure you know better then him
N7 Stellaris literally lmfao, this man called ABL ignorant for saying someone would rather be free than be a slave. AND he had the balls to call him irrational I’m dead.
@joe buffalo he was saying redlining is just not a black issue only I really wish white people would just mind their own business and stop trying to analyze black people like animals. Or science projects for their own benefit. Find another fucking cause
@joe buffalo Nope, not you can believe that if you want. You can say that whites are at a disadvantage because they are albino and lived in caves, but no one uses that against you for political purposes. We are not living in 1795, so stop trying to keep us stuck in the past. Stop trying to psychoanalyze and psychologically fuck blacks up with some past shit that you want to hold on to. Let black people solve their own issues. We did not NEED to live in white communities in the 30's 40's and 50's. We built our own before the fucking Government demoralized blacks with welfare and psychological games. Myob
Someone call Dave Chappelle, we need a new racial draft
Trek 9654 You can have Anthony Brian Logan. We'll take.... Dave Matthews... Fuck... Any one. Just take that dingleberry.
Great comment sir.
Anthony was eating those lead paint chips as a kid
They both were. They must not have used lead in Nigeria, because Adeola is hot and spicy.
Those toys the KKK brought were painted with lead paint
I am not *IN* the black community, Skyler
*I AM THE BLACK COMMUNITY*
a man is playing basketball and gets shot and you think that of *ME???*
Ik this is a year old but holy fuck I'm dying 😂😂😂
I pissed myself, underrated!
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Wow Destiny... You're ridiculous... You really let your true colors go here... It's sad all those smarts are being thrown away to assume so much . it's ALL about individuals and individual examples .. You think we look at groups but guess what groups are made out of. There is nuance .. He's a black representative absolutely? He's a part of the black community and he clearly represents the place in the total of black people. I think you are taking his points as conclusions and not just letting the context be what it is... I mean if you cared about black people and their freedoms and dignity you would talk to him the way he mostly is talking to you, calmly .. He's from a single family household.. He's from poverty . his family is from slavery and Jim Crowe. Just horrible the hatred you have ... It's ugly and you need to take some of that book smarts and explore your heart and spirituality.. Idk what I believe but I know that I have a line.. As much as you signal .. Your nature is clearly negative.. And the hypothetical stuff you postulate upon is very dead. You need love to move race relations.. So you scream at someone and belittle them and call them names.. ?? You debate in a slimey way
Btw last talk you said black people don't make bad choices then you just said the blacks make worse choices with food and eating habits ... Individuals... I think your problem is you have no idea who YOU are ... And you kinda just act like you know everything about the black experience more than this man... I think you don't have a clue and you just want people to like you .. I'm not saying this to be mean either ! Really I wish you nothing but good fortune and I hope you have a change of heart . maybe you should talk with someone just without any political things or anything.. Just about what you feel ? Ill EVEN TALK TO YOU brother... I'm sorry if anything i said hurt your feelings but you need to move past the past and into the future .. Make your own contributions instead of this cause you are smart ! But you don't seem very wise ! Hey I'm not a genius and I only say these things cause I can see them a mile away. I just feel like you could be doing so much more and make something great !?
ABL I'm sorry for the treatment cause I thought it was very uncalled for and you were getting stopped and he was definitely trying to reframe everything you said to get you to slip up or get you to say something considerably similar like poor environments and black environments, I don't think there is anywhere to go with bringing up the past and blaming white people .. As much as he said he wasn't blaming them it's like if my grandparents could come here and make a successful transition from another country like so many immigrants do .. Why can't blacks largely do it after 2 generations in modern society... It just is what it is and we got to help individuals and work for 100 and not fall apart when we are operating at 99% ... We got this people ! 1
Directly on point, the individual is the greatest minority there can be thus the individuals experience is what has to be talked about and viewed. There were a on the street interviews asking college aged liberals why the black community could are “discriminated” against in terms on voting. The liberals said blacks weren’t able to acquire gov IDs and can’t call 911 because of police brutality. The interviewer then went to an inner city and asked the local blacks if they had IDs and if they know how to get them. They obviously said yes, and if they were victims of police brutality they said no, they were positive about police in their neighborhoods. My question is why are blacks considered too stupid to get IDs and why are blacks assumed to be hunted by police when the individual experience is against the spoken liberal narrative? Frankly the hoods should be policed more because there are higher levels of neighbors attacking neighbors and police aren’t called upon due to snitching mentality. Black people aren’t held down by systemic racism but crime mentality within their neighborhoods, of which those same blacks can make the decision to allow their environment to make them criminals or violent resulting in police targeting or decide to avoid criminality and move. I recommend better individual decisions as a whole.
@@FORGDEDELILT absolutely man. I don't think there is anything wrong with helping the children in these neighborhoods! But these adults.. They have to do for themselves or they can't largely say shit... That's how it goes..
he is a representative of the black community but he is wrong.
@@victorslavick3872 about what exactly? Quite a few things were discussed? You agreeing he's a representative means destiny is wrong too right? So he's wrong. Blanket statements do nothing. Again .. Individual examples. Read the comment before you reply brother and be specific so we can discuss things rationally !
@Eric Hawkins well I understand what you are saying but you have to understand that we are trying to break a system of behavior from not only bad policing but also through poor personal choices . a lot of those are unfortunately a direct influence from black "leaders" and the media fear mongering and making a infrequent horrible occurrence of a perceivable hate crime , as the standard of what ALL black men will experience in this country.. That leads to hate and disobedience by blacks towards the police abd then that leads to the police being more aggressive ... It's not right what Al Sharpton and those FOOLS do to the black community.. Wearing 10k suits while talking about the struggle of the black man... They are basically preachers and capitalising off the sins of the past and the fear that they program into the hearts of men... MOST police are trying to do the right things... Most black people are trying to get by and succeed .. But without fathers for leadership they are left with overwhelmed mothers and these fake race baiting sellouts to teach them cultural and moral values ... And that's where again the violence perpetuates between the police and the black community as well as blacks and other blacks... It's sad and I don't like arguing with people cause I know there are some horrible people out there.. But 1%? 5%... You can't pretend like racism is this HUGE issue.. It's the same things that happen to poor whites or drug addicts of ALL colors .. Read my response to the other person.. I know there are problems on both sides... But blaming all whites as racist and all cops as racist is moronic and not statistically close to reality... We need to work together
Having an extracurricular activity like gyms may help kids get out of crime
"Some people get shot on the basketball court"
It was at that moment, that I discovered the inherent comedic value of this
I wonder if he regretted bringing it up. Freudian slip..
Can you debate NoBullshit again, just for shits? I almost never donate to streamers, but for this specific occasion, I will have my wallet ready.
Canadian Turtle lmao it's entertaining as fuck
Ur so dum bro!
"debate"
Destiny can't debate NoBullShit again until he goes to college. Apparently, going to college is the only way you can win a debate with NoBS
I'd pay $20 for a solid 2 hours of Destiny vs NoBS.
This is hell. This is what hell is like.
ABL is right I can remember when my grandparents own land and business.
What happened?
@@cbenji07 he proved his point.
Honestly, this guy just doesn't have the capacity to have a rational discussion. He has a fundamental problem with critical thinking. That's why he doesn't understand stats. he speaks in anecdotes because that's all he comprehends. If he weren't so damned smug in his ignorance, I'd feel bad for him. Also, I really wish he'd stop reminding everyone that he's from West Virginia. It's a state that's near and dear to my heart and it has a bad enough reputation already.
I KNEW this would be bad, and I listened anyway. I can only blame myself when the aneurism bursts.
What did I say that was wrong? He brought up WV, not me.
Anthony Brian Logan The words came out of your mouth, you know how moronic you sounded. What could I expect from a person from WV.
My favorite part is when he said... I'm not giving you an anecdote, I'm just telling you a personal story. Lol wtf.
I'm from WV as well. This guy is an embarrassment. I guess he road the wave of the right wing trend on youtube to get that check mark by his name because the dude is completely brain dead.
At least the McElroy brothers represent WV in a positive way.
“Is ABL related to Jesse Lee Peterson?”
@@sovietsandvich8443 You think it's racist? I think you a BEYTUH
ABL: Abortion is killing us off..
D: yeah we need more..
ABL: things were better 80 years ago..
D: so you are saying it is genetic..
@Sonny Valentyne they dont speak truths stop lying
Sonny Valentyne no they feed you false narratives that fit your personal agenda and give you a special thing called confirmation bias
Can you imagine Jesse and abl debating each other I think the world would just explode
52:52 "I went to a school like that and it didn't affect me"
said the guy who didn't even understand basic logic some minutes ago
This beta opens with an insult to ABL and says conservatives are emotional but then he gets all worked up and uses profanity laced statements... BETA!!!!
ABL...He black
“Beta”
Do you love black people? I looooove black people
@@chriscryer7087 I can't read your comment without Jesse Lee's voice talking.
Nahhh not really.. Just loud... shreeks and reeeeee...
I made a video of every "Sir" in recent debates.
Sir you're loved and appriciated Sir. *P O I N T P R O V E N*
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Where can I find the debates with the Christian dude
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Beautifully done, SIR.
SIR
poor destiny. 20$ says someone is going to clip "I'm sure there were plenty of slave's who were happy" and take it out of context.
ABL is correct about education spending actually. Per-pupil spending has not been a good measure of student performance by any metric. Much of the issues surrounding school education, especially in poor areas, have to do with bad teachers who do not present any value-added. Issues outside of school are super important too. Some of the most predictive educational inputs are actually in peer reviewing teachers to illuminate better teaching styles, replacing chronically under performing teachers among other things.
For those interested in education policy, look into the Fryer et. al studies. One was done in 2013 on a bunch of schools in Harlem, NY (I believe they primarily looked at charter schools), and then Fryer implemented what he found in 2014 at the 20 worst schools in Houston, Texas. Really cool, illuminating studies on some of the solutions we can explore to improve our education systems.
thoughtful comment
Do you have a link to this study?
Do u have link to study?
@@nickyscoop123 he gave you the name man. Come on now you can do it sitting your ass right there.
@@nickyscoop123 scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/dobbie_fryer_revision_final.pdf
I was crying laughing at destinys “50 black friends locked up” thing and the other dude kept asking him questions about it not understanding that destiny was using that to prove personal anecdotes are a bad way to argue
Why were they locked up for first of all
Why is it a bad viewpoint?? Isnt that how your trusted data is created??? No its not and thts the point. Destiny and all these idiots think generalizing how everyones life works is absoute because its put into a statistic. Which statistics are constantly misleading. Destiny is a walking contradiction
@@khaifrench3323 So you dislike arguments backed up by statistics because there’s a possibility of the statistic being flawed? Maybe I’m just reading this wrong
@@cococop6679 destiny literally made no good points at all and all he did was put words in ABL mouth and not understanding what he sayn
@David Hasselhoff lmao exactly 😂😂he put words in his mouth…he said ACCESS he didn’t say anything about them getting abortions whenever they want to…cuz some ppl can’t afford abortions all he said was ACCESS …meaning if they got enough money and want to do it they can easily do it cuz they got access to it…how slo are y’all….we all got access to stores but we all don’t have the money to buy everything We want in there
D: “There are a bunch of reasons this could be happening.” **starts listing**
A: **after one** “This doesn’t apply in literally every single situation or won’t entirely fix the issue”
D: “Of course not, I was going to give you a list. I’m curious, how would you address this specific problem?”
A: “I dunno”
*THE DEBATE*
ABL: Abortion is killing us off..
D: yeah we need more..
ABL: things were better 80 years ago..
D: so you are saying it is genetic..
Sounds honest to me. No one really knows. But the default first step is, taking responsibility for your actions. That's what ABL is saying. And that's what you and this fake white boy and all these other fake pathetic individuals are arguing against. Shit's old son. You want to help others in need? In true need? Help yourself first. EARN it. Earn your virtue. Earn your servitude to the greater good. Stop fucking crying about everything.
D: “There are a bunch of reasons this could be happening. I don't know, there can be... or something like..." These aren't arguments. This are ideas from the ball park of "Well maybe there is some proof God exist we are just no aware of it". Sorry but there are huge holes and leaps in Destiny logic.
If more kids is being aborted then born, and Destiny argument is "Maybe more could have access to abortion" that would only make the gap bigger. It would mean even less kids born.
White guy has all the answers for the black community.. Destiny sounds like the Democrat party since the times of the KKK telling black people how to live and think. White Democrats never stopped being racist..
@@wesa5436 as if blacks haven't been doing it for generations. I agree with owning up to mistakes personally amd as a nation, which is something america refuses to do
“I didn’t say that” - Anthony Brian Logan 🤦🏾♂️
"Sir. Sir. Sir." - Anthony Brian Logan
"Sir? Sir. SIR?!" - Anthony Brian Logan
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I think NoBS has the ‘I didn’t say that title’ but ABL is definitely the new contender for the title.
@@poerava It's not that big of a deal.
@pietzsche
Thanks for that. That comment was really well thought out, factual and insightful. As soon as I read that, you made me change my mind. Yes. It’s not that big of a deal now. Thanks for that. Wow
Being polite isn't just in front of someone but also when they're not present.
U sound snowflakey
Jacob Underwood you sound like you can be easily triggered and quickly have a tantrum.
@@Cello69. U sound snowflakey
Jacob Underwood - yes I am. A big snowflake. ❄️
@@Cello69. Ik lmao duh thats what I sad
This and the JonTron one are top 2 woat, made me physically cringe
His debate with NoBullshit was the most painful to me.
What about the one with Count Dankula? "Your stats doesn't matter since I watched youtube videos".
Sam Herman Point Proven.
Sam Herman This is going in the debate hall of fame. I think for me it's tied with NoBullshit, with Count Dankula as a nice third and Jontron as a fourth.
The Tonkasaw autism is also pretty cancerous.
The funding of schools isn't important...... my god! This man has lost his damn mind!
I'm 14 minutes in... And it feels like you're arguing with a dismissive 5 year old. Coming up with his own rules as the game keeps going is how it feels
Achaes right on 😂😂
I hate when a person cant have a discussion without being emotional,and insulting smh
It sucks but it doesn't change the nature of their arguments.
Someone can call me anything they want as emotionally as they want but if they're right, they're right.
@@RomanGoetia if you're right,there no reason for all of the emotion then
@@ToneFury bringing up the involvement of emotion is a red herring. It does not add to nor take away from the validity of any given argument. If you're convinced one way or the other by how information is presented rather than what is presented, then you're doing yourself a disservice.
@@RomanGoetia Its not a red herring if it is actually hindering your ability to have a civil debate
@@ToneFury There is when the other person is remarkably obtuse.
This fella seems to have been presented the negative image of the 'lazy whining black' and he wants to make sure he is seen as one of the 'good ones'.
Right. Because he can’t just think for himself. Any time a black person has an opinion that doesn’t neatly fall in line with the current left ideology they have some ulterior motive or are brain washed. 🙄
He's a butt kisser of the white community. Period.
@@michalloveschevelle well when he disingenuously denies a set in stone historical fact that red lining was directed at black people..it’s really fucking hard to take him serious
@@michalloveschevelle when a black man denies statistics and tries to create what he considers facts based on irrelevant statistics (like his entire access to abortion argument) it's kind of hard not to seem him as brainwashed.
@@michalloveschevelle he is self hating black man
how come bananas are yellow but lemons are also yellow? are lemons not bananas because they're yellow? how about that?
'SIR where did I say that?' lol
Logically they are
I didn't say that. I just said that bananas are yellow and lemons are yellow too. I didn't say that.
Owwww...
I feel Destiny's pain. I didn't think debating with someone would be this painful.
Nah destiny just don’t understand nothing
@@ryandennis8366 he dosnt get the kkk gave this guys grandparent's presents
@@deletethisaccount5252 a lot of other things too
@@ryandennis8366 ahmazin
@@ryandennis8366 what else did they give them. They sound so wholesome
Imagine being white and telling a black man how he should or should not feel...
"the percentage is way higher, but its not a big deal"- ABL
"You're not being logical."..
"no you"
Go to 34:30 to see Destiny actively fight to keep his soul from ejecting from his mortal coil.
J Ok
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Destiny this triggered and nonsensical. kudos to ABL for keeping a level head and staying sincere despite Destiny trying to project his logical fallacies onto him.
It's because ABL is a humble soul and they will always win in the end.
What logical fallacies were made by Destiny? If anything ABL is projecting numerous anecdotal fallacies onto Destiny. It would be great if you could actually back up your argument instead of just saying Destiny is triggered and nonsensical
Just because you stay calm doesn’t mean you are right
Hard to not get triggered when you're constantly talked over and given stupid arguments
@@augustusgloop4314 lmao the only black man you'll ever defend is the one that's dislikes his own race 😂
Makes sense.
ABL is a prime example of self hate.
Galderamos2 I bet he puts raisins in the potato salad😂
He's a prime example of a failed education system
Why do I have myself? And how am I trying to make whites appear less racist in the past when I said there was more racism back then?
Lady Cheyne I bet he eats pineapple on pizza fucking degenerate.
Anthony Brian Logan because you’re honestly so god damn stupid
Thank you for your service, Steven. I know this is hard, but we appreciate what you're doing.
We would be doing mankind a service by moving on from youtube, we would stop people who can't pass high school from becoming famous and manipulating the youth with their idiotic beliefs.
That's what is so fucking scary. You have a fuckload of children and teens that are being exposed to shit that they cannot possibly truly understand. I never thought I'd ever say this shit. Maybe it's because I always had an inquiring mind, but many people don't. They'll end up believing shit that has been debunked a very long time ago as something new and revolutionary. Like the racist science crap. That isn't new. It wasn't even new 100 years ago. It goes as far back as at least the late 18th century and the proponents of all of these ideas have ALWAYS misused, misrepresented, butchered, and outright lied about whatever science was available at the time in order to support their ideas.
They also fabricate history to twist it to their own beliefs. Things we take for granted now are extremely new. Nations are new, the concept of race as we think of it is radically new (and always changing). National myths that people in the past believed are completely different than what they are today (and are being ruined even further by assholes like Black Pigeon Speaks), and a million other things.
The funniest thing is, many of the people in the Alt-Right aren't even what they think they are. I'm in Canada, there are many alt-righters up here who weren't born in Canada and many didn't even have natural born Canadian parents... they are either first-generation immigrants themselves or children of first generation immigrants. Yet they claim that somehow the country was built entirely by them or their ancestors when by the time they arrived the nation was quite well-built, thank you very much.
LMFAO 17:26 when ABL tell hims to relax then tells him he'll give him time to calm down. We want another rematch!!
All articles matter
All evidence matters
The high obesity rate for black women doesn't matter
School gyms don't matter
Funding for schools doesn't matter
Redlining was based on credit
This is the kind of nonsense I get from ABL ☹️.
This kind of delusion is almost unbelievable
I kind of understand ABL's point of view though, he wants to deny that redlining (etc.) has negatively affected black people because he believes that constantly telling marginalised people that bad circumstances in their past are the reason for their current circumstances isn't the best way to help those marginalised people - but he's unable to see that denying the facts of history is by far far worse than just telling those marginalised people that they're able to rise above whatever circumstances they've suffered through
Interesting debate, seeing into the mind of a typical conservative, mostly what I got from this is that the level of delusion from these types of people is pretty shocking
66f4e5 I get what you are saying. Idk if he was denying though. Destiny is just bad at holding debates so they both look like shit at the end of it. I actually agree with Destiny a lot in this debate but he runs shit shows and it is all because of his actions and his inability to control himself.
Why do I find myself liking these anticonservative comments? I usually think libs are retarded, especially AOC and Bitcho Ofuck.
Re the OP -- I can understand why rumination on inequality (past or present) can be counterproductive. Sometimes it can make me feel hopeless; but I agree that the answer isn't denial of its existence, either.
I refuse to see myself as anyone's victim, although there have been times I've been victimized because -- hey, I'm a small brown woman who was born in a bad part of the South Bronx.
However, whether people call it "my lived experience" (Democrats) or "an anecdote" (Republicans) it's not data. And I've seen both sides present it as if it were data. And this is easy to do, when it's one's own lived experience or anecdote.
I guess it's why I don't like the extremes on either side of the political divide. . .
@@zxyatiywariii8 that's one reason I like Adeola. No extremes.
I completely agree! But I think he misunderstands the reason why people point out those circumstances. For example, regarding quality of education: It's not to be "see the educational system where you live sucks so you're gonna be a loser for the rest of your life. Just steal a bunch of stuff instead." It's to go "because the educational system is bad, it's going to increase the likelihood these people aren't going to succeed. They'll be less likely to get good jobs, and more likely to resort to crime. So in order to prevent that... We should try to improve the educational system." But ABL's view is to just ignore the problems in the educational system and tell people to "just study harder" and if they fail the class it's because "you made bad choices and didn't study hard enough."
This guy is so far gone that's it's actually sad. I don't know how he even has a fanbase.
@Brandon Atkins this guys sub's are all leftist liberals
This is why it should be mandatory to teach logic in school
Studies have shown students who partake in recreational physical activities study better because it releases tension and anxiety. ABL should get his debating game up.
Love this Key and Peele skit
I'm 19 minutes in. I don't know if I can handle this level of idiocy. Idk how you do it Destiny.
Destiny: But we could've had so many more abortions!
Destiny I would LOVE to have a conversation as a left leaning black man on these two debates you’ve had with this guy man...if you see this hit me up
Klaye vs ABL Lets goo!
FrozsteiN I’m down if he is
angry beggingbar fuck out my face
Best bet is to hit him up in his discord chat while he's streaming.
the black conservative grift is highly lucrative in a reactionary environment.
Yeah how dare black people deviate from the democrat plantation....
@@Illumirage Big difference between deviating from standard thought and having your positions be based on pure ignorance.
@@Illumirage how dare you deny the independence of black people by saying every black person that votes democrat which is usually in there best interest is on a plantation
@@Ancor3 You seem to know quite a bit about having positions based on pure ignorance. I'm pretty sure you're exhibit A in that department.
@ that didn't work. Nice try though.
This guy interrupts Destiny so damn much yet has the nerve to accuse Destiny of talking over him SMH
When youre wrong, be louder and tougher I guess. If youre gonna be dumb you gotta be tough!
Whatever your point of view, at least these two guys are having a conversation. It isn't supposed to be easy.
wish that theyd actually listen to eachother and discuss to eachothers points, they just keep piling on shit and wont talk about it
Im not that deep into Destiny's stuff but i hope this isnt how he usually goes about debates nowadays. I dont even disagree with Destiny, but it feels like hes REALLY letting his anger get the best of him and its just a little embarassing when this is supposed to be a debate. I know you may think your opponent may be dumb, but you seriously do not need to have a mental breakdown. This is not how a debate should be conducted.
@@perperperpen When you're dealing with someone who literally doesn't understand why academic consensus is important, it's hard to stay calm. When you're talking to someone who's so confidently fucking stupid, it gets frustrating after the first few minutes.
@@BrendanishLeo right, but i feel like the point of a debate is supposed to be to change the other person's mind. Laughing at them and acting shocked when they say something is not going to change anyone's mind. It only makes them resent you more, therefore furthering the polarization that we have in modern politics.
@@perperperpen You have a drastically different opinion on debate than me, and anyone I know.
When you're facing opposition, and both of you are pretty staunch in your viewpoints, the point of debate is almost never to actually change your opponents mind, it's to change the audience's mind.
That's what I've gathered from years of religious debate at least.
this dude mistakes Destiny getting emotional because he(anthony) is REALLY, REALLY dumb for Destiny arguing from a place of emotion, which is literally what HE(anthony) is doing. I think I'd just hang up on this dude, so props to Destiny for being so patient.
atariDC_ 😂😂 a prime example of what humanity is today says how dumb someone is but never supports it U guys are just as dumb cause ur siding with a gaming no life loser that’s knows nothing bout politics an that’s adapted to fake news
Destiny lost this battle and exposed himself.
Its so ironic how he doesn't realize just how racist he actually is being. Malcom X told Black America not to trust white liberals.
Trigger Warning I’m pretty sure he’s not a liberal
@@Jaydne4897 destiny isn't a liberal? Then what the heck is he? Damn sure isn't a conservative.
@@xixie5854 by getting mad at a black man for not thinking or believing how he thinks black people should think and feel.
@@triggerwarning5911 by that logic, you’re racist because you’re not agreeing with Destiny
the problem with this guy seems to be that he does not understand how averages work, or logic for that matter. It appears that if you make a conclusion of any kind that's logic to him, no matter how you got to it.
He seems to think that if some stat says that on average, black people get fucked more than white people, if he can just find one black person who didn't get fucked it's all good since then all the others just made bad choices.
Two dudes that dont listen to each other. And mad the other side doesnt understand.
Destiny lives in a bubble of everyone agreeing with him, so he will never think he is wrong if he is poured over with people agreeing with him. Eventually he will think he is a God, because of all the echo chamber people lavishing him with grapes and money.. You are saying don't read articles that disagree with you and then re-assess yourself, re-think your point. "Maybe the other guy could be right.." You want to burn books instead of read them.
I feel this is how most debates are. It just stresses me out lol. This is why I prefer to just listen to lectures on different talking points and weigh them out myself.
@@EJO_VZN exactly
How can you logically argue with someone that only thinks in anecdotes?
Tholin Nothing republicans are not educated so how do you expect an educated debate