The funniest thing to me about Sansa's plot this season is that Season 1 Sansa would unironically have been more competent than Season 6 Sansa at retaking Winterfell, because she'd have accepted the offer of a large army immediately rather than fancying that she could do it herself and then getting conclusively proven wrong.
but then what? the battle at the end of the season would be absurdly easy and anticlimactic. so by this army existing at all, theyve written themselves into a corner.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 If any of this has a relation to the source material, Sansa will actually be bringing the Vale army from the Vale, rather than hanging around with Jon and fretting about whether to accept an offer of help.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I don’t think so. If Ramsey got wind that the vale’s army was joining Jon he would have never left Winterfell. Jon would have to surround the castle and somehow breach the walls with archers picking them off one by one. It would have been interesting for sure but I like to think Sansa knew that which is why she kept it from Jon since she’s so woke and smart now 😂. I’m giving dumb and dumber too much credit at this point
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Well under normal circumstances you can't ambush with an army, people will tell you way before they make it to you, either by Raven or at least a scout. You have to completly forget how this works and has worked in Westeros before to make a whole army ambushing WF possible.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 That would still require Sansa already getting married to Ramsay and her not being a maiden anymore, which is kind of a big deal. Then again they made jokes about Brienne in season 8, so I guess they forgot about that too.
In addition, this house also betrayed his family and killed her brother and wife in the most terrible way. Littlefinger seems he kind of forgot about this very important information. Btw Ramsay Bolton's atrocities is known by a lot of lords in the North. Littlefinger also in the book, is most knowledgeable man about lords in Westeros. It is impossible that he didn't hear Ramsay's reputation.
He knows that it won’t go down well. He thinks this is his way to getting closer to his goal of more power. Is this whole comment thread joking? Of course he knew he just doesn’t care.
@@lobsters12111 How can sending Sansa to Boltons will help Littlefinger to gain more power. He sold key of the North (Sansa was last member of Starks except Bran and Rickon, thus his husband will be protector of the North) for only some golds to Boltons whose power in the North is temporary. Until season 5, Littlefinger gained firstly Harrenhal and then Vale by killing Lysa Tully, now He can gain North by marrying Sansa in 3 years. Protector of North and Vale would be stronger candidate to Throne than Cersei on the King's Landing who has only House Lannister support. I really don't understand what Littlefinger gained from selling Sansa to Boltons.
Kinslaying was so frowned upon that even Walder Frey wouldn't do it and spared Edmure's life since he was his son in law. But Euron somehow manages to claim the throne by bragging about it.
i don't think thats why he kept edmure around, he needed him basicaly as a breeding stock so he would get grandchildren that could claim the riverlands as a whole
@@tommerker8063 not really Edmure was the rightfull lord of Riverrun and his descendents would be Tullys, not Freys, the mere existence of his bloodline was a threat to the Frey claim to Riverrun. The grandchildren would always be Tullys, not Freys. Walder Frey had already commited so many disposable actions that he didn't want to add kinslaying as other reason for being hated. Tywin wouldn't openly kill Tyrion because of how frowned upon kinslaying was.
@@masterplokoon8803 true, but walder could still take a lot of influence over the child and while he might not be in direct control having his grandson be the lord of riverrun is just a plus. a tully raised as a frey is very much in his interest and for sure killing his father would forever make the child hate him. also i don't think frey even had the chance to kill edmure, they took him to the siege of riverrun adn afterwards jaime send him to casterly rock
@@masterplokoon8803 Edmure and his potential kids by Ros are the Frey claim to RIverrun, afaik. I feel like Walder fully intended to have Edmure killed after he'd fathered a son on Ros
@@pallasathena2228 they would be Tullys, not Freys, eventually they would honour their Tully heritage above the Freys, since the Freys cannot even hold the Riverlands by themselves. And Edmure fathered a kid and Walder Frey didn't kill him.
It would have been great if they used it as a way of introducing Howland Reed and that he is killing all of the scouts that see them. But whatever. Screen writting is so hard.
Davos’ mission to White Harbour then Skagos, Victarion in Meereen, Quentyn Martell, Arianne Martell, Crow’s Eye Euron raiding the Reach, Lady Stoneheart, Jaime in the Riverlands should have all happened in Season 5
One of the most striking things between the early seasons and the late ones is how boring the costume design becomes. There used to be a shit ton of personality to what everyone wore, but by the end it was all just variations of black and brown and maybe a little red or white. Still impeccably crafted. But boring. Or just completely anachronistic.
something else that really annoys me about it is that black clothing has a lot of significance- it’s supposed to either indicate your house or if you’re in mourning. but when every single bloody character is wearing black none of that has any significance. mourning clothes are supposed to be important
@@lucymariposa I dunno about house, but considering that joining the Night's Watch is literally called 'taking the black' I feel maybe most people who ARENT part of that organisation would avoid black? Okay, maybe the Ironborn dgaf, but when did Cersei's favorite color change from red/gold to black?
@@minnumseerrund The only thing I liked about some of Cersei's later customes is that they used the same fabric as for Tywin's (black with the hole patterns)
i always wondered what did arya really think about the play, like she sympathised with cersei but also apparently just found out that her sister as captive was married off to tyrion, is a suspect in the murder of joffrey and is on the run and she just … doesn’t react ???
I'm so glad someone pointed the lack of heraldry in the Kingsmoot. It always felt the show slowly forgot about vassals and bannerman towards the last seasons (aside from a few northmen of course) and it really broke immersion for me.
That's part of why the show's version of Westeros felt like it got smaller and simpler and less populated as it went along. That and the ridiculous fast travel and also Cersei conveniently murdering a bunch of secondary characters with no consequences ofc
The show clearly only thinks there are four houses, which is why despite not being relevant for almost the entire plot the Baratheons get 4th billing on the logo instead of being swapped for a house with living members like the Tyrells, Martells, Freys, Greyjoys, or Boltons each season. There are 3 houses: ice boys, fire girls and villains.
Thanks for posting that; I’ve never encountered the expression “ broke immersion for me” and I’ve been trying to describe it, because it became such a common event in watching GoT. One of the worst ‘broke immersion’ moments for me was seeing Dany’s hand reaching a final time for the Iron Throne and everything being ‘broken’ by her perfectly American-style polished and manicured fingernails. I wonder if many men noticed her anachronistic nails, but I’ll bet a lot of other women did.
I agree! My husband never read the books and still hasn't but he asked what a Kingsmoot was so we paused the show and I carefully explained everything that was about to go down. I told him about the offerings and the great lords and the kings on their ships. Fuck, we took a break to have dinner before we resumed the show. None of that happened. First, he couldn't figure out why the Kraken was everywhere even though there were only 3 of them. Then he got real confused when they said the Ironborn never made their mark. Me explaining the Ironborn and Harrenhal and their complete dominion over the sea had my husband so hooked, he almost read the books.
@@LordMangudai Exactly, the line about the Reach being empty in Season 8, just because the Tyrells had been defeated? What about the Hightowers, Oakhearts, Rowans, Peakes, Redwynes, Mullendores, Merryweathers
@@shaftomite007 in later seasons, characters seemed to teleport from one place in Westeros to another, crossing impossible distances, due to iffy editing, or lazy writing. So Glumbosaurus Rex started keeping track of which characters were moving around the continent so fast, they must have had a “jetpack”.
The words, “I underestimated a stranger” would only ever come out of Littlefinger’s mouth if he was trying to feign stupidity as some kind of 4D chess move
"I spent my days as a ruler spreading the rumors that previous king was murdered, by myself. Everybody refused to believe that and said that me, the king, is full of shit!"
It confuses me that the Iron Born hated Balon Greyjoy...especially to a point where they don't care that he died, yet they took the time to find his body and cast his body to the Drowned God.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 having since read the books, the kingsmoot scene in this episode PALES in comparison to the one in AFFC. they already had a great scene written and they fucked it up for... reasons. if they needed to streamline it they could have cut some of the other claimants but why not just have euron bring a load of loot as he does in the book? 'men pray when they see my sails. why aeron, i am the godliest man to ever raise sail!' is such a good line and would help explain why the ironborn fall behind him, and yet there's NOTHING
I like to imagine that the Kingsmoot was just an incredibly drunk Euron's fantasy. Everyone was trying to have a nice barbecue on the beach and chill out when Drunkle Euron showed up to challenge the party goers
Westeros seriously started feeling like a neighborhood. Everyone has that brooding look (looking at you dark bearded lannisters). Costumes feel more star warry and you can't distinguish between houses. And people say that season 6 was masterpiece as well.
Oh my god yesss, star wars!! that's what the GOT costumes in later seasons reminded me of. I kept thinking these costumes belong in another franchise, but couldn't quite put my finger on which one it was!
@@fox2569 Glidus bring that up sarcastically, but was there ever anyone that considered it the best season, let alone amasterpiece? I lost interest in season 5 and by the glimpses of S6 I was getting, i knew everything went to shit. S7 confirmed it, and S8... Took it to new levels.
I never liked the outfits from season 5 onwards, nothing about them screamed "Game of Thrones". The first 4 seasons had costumes reminiscent of actual medieval fashion with a GOT twist (which made them much better, because medieval clothes weren't that pretty). But from season 5 onwards nothing looked "medieval", except maybe the men's clothes because they all lowkey dressed the same. Daenerys' season 8 outfits were pretty but far too Star Wars-y like you said. Rhaenyra's outfit in episode 10 is the perfect example of how a queen would be dressed for a war council meeting in a GOT setting, none of Dany or Sansa's outfits gave me that impression.
D&D turned their show into Star Wars because they couldn't be bothered with doing it properly anymore because they had an offer to write Star Wars, and because they turned their show into Star Wars nobody liked their show anymore and the deal to write Star Wars fell through, and the whole reason they were offered it in the first place is because it seemed that the current writers of Star Wars couldn't be bothered with doing it properly, and maybe D&D could. In the words of George Lucas: "It's like poetry, it rhymes".
Can't believe you left out Leaf's totally necessary suicide of running into a crowd of wights, letting herself get stabbed a bunch, THEN using her plasma grenade. Instead of just throwing it from a distance then running away with Bran. Almost as though the writers didn't know what to do with this character and just nothinged them out of the show.
This was the first episode I remember thinking this is kinda dumb. It was when the wights were sprinting across the ceiling of that cave, when usually they just shuffle along the ground at a more or less human speed.
Remember when the Kingsroad was dangerous because of the wars and such? The Bolton’s must be pretty damn good Wardens of the North to make solo passage through the entirety of their kingdom safe for even the likes of Littlefinger. Why should any Northerner or even any Westerosi want the Starks back in Winterfell when the Bolton’s have done such a job with their new post? Blind Loyalty????
To add to this, unlike the Starks, no one ever deserted the Boltons even in their most desperate hour. That kind of undying loyalty has to come from their stellar and fair management of their lands and vassals.
Actually, in the books (and possibly in the show too I can’t recall) the north remained incredibly safe under the Starks, even during the war of the five kings until the ironborn invaded, it’s just really easy to keep the north in line due to their adherence to the old ways and the north’s general sense of honour
@@ApathytheAlienTongue it might be more risky to be a bandit in the vast cold barren North than in the south. Not to mention the Wildlings are probably going to outcompete you unless you join them.
@@ApathytheAlienTongue i don't think he meant it as there is no crime in the north, but rather that deserters (wich are mostly why the south is so unsafe during the war) were not as common, since there were no large scale battles north of the neck. also putting up guards is not something extremely special, even during peace times caravans and travelers would set up guards during the night. it's just common sense realy
The idea of Brienne being consumed with guilt for killing the actual King (stannis) on a charge of Kinslaying and Kingslaying beared so much possibility. Especially her and Davos clashing over that very same issue, with Brienne viewing Stannis as a murderer, and Davos viewing hm as a saviour and friend. All the chances were right there, and it was wasted.
@@jackj9816 He killed Renly, the person she was sworn to protect as a member of his Kingsguard with a shadow baby, thus committing both kin and kingslaying in one act
It was only treason the moment Renly stopped breathing. Up until that Renly was in open rebellion against his brother and looked like he was going to take out Stannis and his supporters then sack Kings Landing. Stannis is the righful king, but had yet to take his throne. Renly was still also a King crowned and coordinated, and killing him in cold blood was treason by Stannis also. There's probably some serious nuance I'm glossing over, but I'm from the USA and all this monarchy shit is above my expertise.
"He was a normal kid, apart from the Dunk genes." I always forget that both Hodor/Willas and Brienne are descendants of Ser Duncan the Tall and therefore are related. Thanks for reminding me 😂
I for one am happy that his highness Gylbert Farwynd, first of his name and true king of the Iron Isles, has taken all of the abandonend plotlines and brought them beyond the Sunset Sea to the mystical land whithout bad writing where death holds no sway. All the forgotten characters, like Jhiqui, Kinvara, Quaithe or Littlefinger's brain are now living as kings and queens in their own right. Itisknown.
I'm actually thankful for how they did the Hodor scene in this. It's really bad and pointless and everything the same scene in GRRM's version won't be. It gives off vibes similar to reading a Wikipedia plot synopsis and recreating the scene just off of those few sentences. GRRM's version will at the very least make sense and have a point. I've gone in and read the synopsis, and now I get to actually experience the scene as intended.
good point but it's pretty telling if the biggest compliment you can give a piece of media is "well at least they didn't spoil the story we actually wanted"
@@Glidus you say that, but spoil also means "ruin" and I've found myself doing significantly less rereads since they killed Baristan. That could also be the apathy developed from a 10+ year wait (because him announcing he's finished is still 6-9months before release) for a book that's been "almost done" for 8 years.
D&D: we’re gonna write these seasons so bad that people will appreciate the books GRRM is definitely gonna finish HBO: Oh, we were expecting you guys to at least try to maintain the same writing quality D&D: You see, the best thing about expectations is…
Dan and Dave: *literally have templates for a person reanimated by fire or ice magic* Also Dan and Dave: *Jon Snow has 0 physical issues living inside a corpse body*
@@1994mrmysteryman she suffered an aneurism I believe? Somewhere between seasons 1 and 2. Then she had one again sometime later So that affected her performance while she recovered Then the writers saw it and apparently thought the emotionless character looked cool, so they had her play that way from then on a lot of her worst scenes she was specially instructed to appear unphased
The "it takes longer in show than on screen" argument doesn't hold water because there's no sign that much time has passed for the people the jetpackers interact with. Clothes don't change, beards and hair don't grow or aren't cut. We have to accept that characters aren't doing squat for weeks or months. They're not even having conversations because they show their scenes as if they are taking place within minutes/hours/days.
The whole Vale army thing is an example of using story (and I use the term loosely) to serve the drama, rather than using drama to serve the story. TH-camr, The Dragon Demands, has pointed out that by this point out they were writing to serve the actors, not the characters or story. It was about showing them emote on screen rather than anything that made logical sense. They needed Kit Harrington to show his "Oh Crap!" face, so Jon can't know about the Vale army.
The entire purpose is to show how “sMaRT” Sansa was. Even though everything she did killed Rickon (in case you forgot, he’s Sansa real brother) and benefitted noone but Littlefinger alone.
@@nont18411 nope. the entire purpose was to have the cool last minute cavalry charge. everything else was a side effect. (also how did she kill Rickon? Ramsay would've killed him anyway...)
I was house sitting for someone who actually shelled out for HBO, and this was the first episode I ever saw. Imagine my shock when I realized that the drunk pirate was supposed to be the scariest villain of the series
The lack of heraldry really makes you think about seasons 8 where 3 different factions show up to a meeting (Jon, Cersei, Dany) and all 3 groups are just wearing black
Dany wearing black is fine- black and red are the colors of house Targaryan, and I can even see Jon either not caring or better yet, being pragmatic because all his warm clothes are currently black and winter _is_ coming (would he have had time to go shopping?) but _Cersei?_ Cersei, who wears her connection to house Lannister like the highest honor in the world, _not_ flaunting the red and gold of her house? Especially after all the effort the show USED TO go through to integrate house colors and heraldry? Fuck off with that noise. You can tell D&D had Star Wars on the mind...
@@Silburific the only possible excuse I can think of is that Cersei was supposed to be mourning her son but yeah they really should've added more variety to the costume design and colors
Your videos always bring a smile to my face even in times when i'm not feeling great. Game of thrones used to do the same thing in the earlier seasons but i'm glad the ruining of the show produced these works of art. Thank you.
Baelish reminds me of that "conspiracy theory class" episode of community where Annie tells the dean "When you conspire with everyone, you're not really conspiring with anyone. You're just doing random crap"
I remember thinking that Hodors name had something to do with a door way back in 2011. Although with me having not watched the show and only aware that the show had sex and exposition most episodes, I thought his name had something to do with a brothel door - a Hoe Door. Fast forward to 2016 and I was like fuck.
"Appreciate the dilapidated brothel, I do respect the symbolism, hope that's intentional." "Written by: Benioff & Weiss" That's your answer right there.
@@benl2140 Use, and overuse. Pile up all the references to older seasons in seasons 7 and 8 and you might think *all* D&D can come up with is recycled content. It's like they're telling us straight to our face "Hey guys, remember when the show was good? So do we. So do we." It's cheap, pathetic and lame.
Imagine in the medieval age, if the entirety of the English Army camped at Hadrians wall for 2 months, then marched to Edinburgh and attacked. COMPLETELY UNDETECTED. bruh season 6 more like season stinky
Someone has to continue the trend of hating on the finale seasons of GoT. While most have moved on someone must carry the hate for the disgusting creation brought to us by D&D brothers. Thank you sir.
There _is_ actually a brief mention of Tully/ Stark loyalists, in the form of the Blackwoods & Mallisters- at the start of S4, I believe -& it essentially goes f*cking **nowhere** after Riverrun is retaken...
Death/ressurection was more than a minor inconvenience for Beric. He lost a lot of his identity and memories. He was a fire wight. His existence was defined by his duty to a dead king - he is more of an echo of his former self as opposed to being Beric. Whereas Jon comes back and is just grumpy wumpy and wants a holiday in dorne
@@anaghabaheti It could be that Jon has multiple magics working on him. Unfortunately I don't think it is mentioned in the show but time and time again in the books it is mentioned that the magic in the wall preserves things splendidly. Add in Jon's warg abilities along with possible dragon dreams and you have multiple forms of magic to make him better than Beric. Of course D&D would need to set this shit up which they refused to do so... Whatevs
Aeron in the books: *a zealot who was probably changed in the same way that Patchface was but less insane* "Euron is a demonic eldritch horror and he's tied me to his ship help" Aeron in the show: *"WHO WANT CROWN"*
22:45 Oh my god... Balon just... dissolved. They couldn't have even beeen bothered to draw and animate a fucking splash. That's another level of laziness. It's transcending mere not giving a fuck, and ascending to an entire new plane of being where the fuck does't even exist.
Honestly Glidus your videos are always such a joy to watch! While we agree that everyone except the writers did a great job during later seasons, costume designs become so depressing. From detailed, cleverly designed to represent each character and the world they live in to different flavour of black. What a waste. P.S. I’m glad that Billy Postlethwaite got a cameo in today’s episode of pisstake and I did appreciate the got review reference
When I first saw Euron. I was literally say who the f*ck is this guy and why should I care about him. After reading the books, I got pissed because he's literally my favorite character from the books now. Like the show, literally does him no justice. Read the books Euron is epic for real.
In the GoT game, Leaf turns Hodor into a tree to block the door. So he doesn’t suffer by the hands of the wights. I mean at least he didn’t die horribly?
Littlefingers plan wasnt so bad. He gave Roose Sansa to then strike deal with Cersei (who represents the crown) to make him warden of the north. Then he undermined Cersei to Olenna so that Tyrells (or at least easily controlled Tommen) would be on top, so when he reclaims Winterfell, they honor his deal with the crown AND they dont have problem with Sansa being alive (which Cersei would have).
That feels more like a Doran Martell plot. Overly complicated, too many moving parts and points of potential failure. Littlefinger was always more about creating conflict and chaos, then improvising to exploit the opportunities that arise for him.
But what if Stannis takes Winterfell? I’ve never understood that part. No deal with him about being Warden of the North. And maybe Cersei wants Sansa alive. Isn’t she still technically married to a Lannister? He IS a kinslaying Lannister, of course. But if the marriage is valid, then doesn’t that make a Lannister lord of Winterfell? Does Tyrion factor into all of this? Anyway, let’s say that the point is for Petyr to look like an ally/hero by getting the Boltons out of Winterfell-even though (mua ha ha) the only reason the Boltons are truly *in* Winterfell with their claim to the North solidified with a marriage to Sansa is because of Littlefinger in the first place. How would that scenario play out if Petyr actually thinks Stannis is going to be the one to chuck the Boltons out? If Stannis succeeds, why does Petyr think that anyone (Tyrells, Tommen, Cersei, whoever) would honor his “deal”? He didn’t reclaim Winterfell, and now Stannis (their enemy) is more powerful/the one needing to be chucked out. Chaos may be a ladder, but…I guess I’d buy that element more if he were setting up *others’* fates to depend on what shakes out in Winterfell-not his own. I suppose I am assuming he actually does want to marry Sansa-but I guess if we’re going by what he *does* rather than what he *says* (since he lies all the time), then, according to the show, he really doesn’t want to marry her…? Of course, we know in the books that Petyr did NOT hand Sansa over to the Boltons, which suggests that he *is* aware of how insane Ramsay is and he *is* holding on to Sansa for some other purpose. And book or no book, seasons 1-4 Petyr would do his research. No question. So I think we’re left to assume in show-world that Petyr was fully aware that Ramsay was a monster and thus is Sansa’s enemy, maybe trying to pull some Freudian-ish revenge on Catelyn by making Sansa suffer. But that doesn’t add up. Or at least go anywhere. Which you’d think it would, as kind of a big deal in Petyr’s character arc. I don’t know. None of it ultimately makes any sense to me-unless we assume that the show just conveniently made Petyr dumber to justify the Sansa-Ramsay marriage. Which is what I think happened.
@@bethperforms6191 would taking Winterfell from a depleted army led by Stannis be much different than taking Winterfell from a depleted army led by Roose Bolton?
I still wanna know why Ned heard Brans voice in the tower of joy scene. What was all that about? It implied that Bran could manipulate time and space prompting a thousand theories but it never came up again...
This is why people have to stop giving writers credit for "creating mystery". Any idiot can not explain what's going on, it only becomes a mystery after you explain it.
I’m know that the writers didn’t ever think of this as a possibility but I think one of the only ways little fingers plan was meant to be was: 1. He sells Sansa to the Bolton’s, she marries Ramsey and they were meant to have a nice marriage 2. Stanis attacks and kills the Bolton’s taking winterfell and possibly Sansa (pretend Jon doesn’t exist or something) 3. He made a deal with queen pumpkin to kill the Bolton’s for Sansa in exchange for the north but instead stanis another enemy of queen ‘drinking while pregnant is fine if it’s wine’ so he kills stanis’ depleted army and takes winterfell. 4. No one is any wiser that little thumb set it all up and now he gets the north and now Sansa doesn’t hate him and thinks he rescued her falling in love and they live happily ever after or something. Yeah never mind that’s shit
Why bother selling Sansa off in the first place if you're just going to take Winterfell anyways? Assuming she isn't killed by Ramsay, she's going to hate Petyr for it anyways.
@@Aredel apparently because he knows sweet FA about Ramsey other than he's a legitimized Bastard. Then again I don't see why he doesn't just Rebel against the Crown and take Winterfell anyway if the Bolton's win. I mean a lot of his efforts have crippled the Crown Militarily.
@@vincegalila7211 because unlike many a monkey brain in Westeros, Petyr doesn’t act on pure rumor and speculation. He gathers concrete information before planning his next move.
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@@jcdenton8563 I am sorry, but that sounds like a bs excuse. There is a difference between promoting a product that you just didn't try out and a promoting a product you know is falsely advertised and then still advertise for it. I mean, if you are already at the stage where you have to take deals where you KNOW you are doing false advertisement then maybe it's a moment to think about changing your job. Not to mention that once it comes out you are knwingly doing false advertisements, the damage dealt will be larger then the money you make from it. It is quite naive if you ask me. Because the only reason content creators get the offer in the first place is that the companies want to take advantage of the relationship between content creator and viewer. After all, a lot of people believe a content creator more easily than a standard ad person (which isn't a new concept since celebreties were used long before TH-cam was a thing to promote products). The moment this comes out, either the companies know that your viewers don't believe you anyway, so they don't have a reason to approach you or they see that the viewers lost their trust in you which means they don't have a reason to approach you. It's a bad decision no matter how you look at it. Also, just to mention this here, but false advertisement is illegal in a lot of countries. This isn't so much of a problem for whatever company is behind the website (because god knows where that one is stationed), but good luck for TH-cam to turn a blind eye on that if they ever find out.
This episode is the best example of the way season 6 episodes were mostly judged only by one good scene each at the time. Apart from the last scene (which in hindsight doesn't hold up either) the rest of the episode is straight up complete garbage. Watching show fans completely lose their minds when debating this episode was cathartic as fu*k. Top 10 episode my ass!
Yeah idk why they made Manderly so unimportant in the story.. like he’s being written at this time as the key to victory over the north.. like he’s fucking up to something in a crazy Northern Conspiracy and they just gloss over him in the show as some guy you see once lol.
42:30 In the book it is (kinda) hinted that Hodor wasn't simple all his life in, i quote "No one knew where “Hodor” had come from, she said, but when he started saying it, they started calling him by it. It was the only word he had." ( A game of thrones) So it was possible that this reveal was indeed attended by GRR Martin but through a lack of build up/ hints to that moment, the show runners didn't set up the mistery surrounding Hodor.
I have a decent theory about how Petyr acquired the jetpacks. If you were to ask me what in the dragonshow resembles jetpacks, I'd be an idiot to not say dragons. So let's imagine that the jetpack are somewhat linked to dragons. So we know that there were 3 dragon eggs in Braavos from Elissa Farman (now you might say that's only book stuff, and not even main books at that, and to that I say that it was never stated that it didn't happen in the show, so for all we know it might have happened.), and we know that Petyr's grandfather was from Braavos. Now this grandpa Baelish guy ends up becoming a knight and then a lord. How does this random foreign sellsword become a lord? Perhaps because he had something extremely valuable? Such as dragon eggs? But this guy wasn't nearly as genius as his grandson, so couldn't do much with the eggs, so he just left it alone. But Petyr, having one of the largest brains in the multiverse, was able to perform some magic on the eggs, and he managed to hatch them. But since he isn't a Targaryen, he wasn't able get fully grown dragons. Instead, the result was like miniature, partially-functioning dragons, that we know as jetpacks.
Great video, can't get enough of shitting on got xd. One thing to mention is that when Petyr gives Sansa to Boltons (because reasons) he is activlly giving some of his positions away, basically all titles he got from Lannisters should have been stripped since Sansa is at the time a fugative accused of regicide. Petyr (real one not this imposter) has zero reasons to get Starks back to power, because they will take his position of warden of Riverlands (he got this with Harrenhall, since Tullies were taken their claims (or at least this happens in a book). So having admitted that he aided her would be seen as a treason in the eyes of Cersei, or anyone really. Boltons even make public wedding and d&d just made it so Cersei did not hear about it or did not care. What they did here is merge to stories that could not be merged, since in books Sansa is about to try and woo Harry the heir (of Vale), next in line after Robert who will probably die soon, and her friend who Petyr enslave and tortured into obidient whore, Jayne (same age as Arya so they just say it is her9 is give to Boltons. This is how Petyr secures friendship with Lion and Boltons while keeping knowladge of this fake Arya and a better claim on winterfell. In the books Petyr is working towards total domination, that dude literally have 4 kingdoms out of 7. He can just betray Tyrells after they kill Lannisters and allies with Dorne, 4 out of 5. He has a legit chance of aiming for a king position. In the show he thorws it all away for an alligance that would never happen (bcs Boltons and Freys would remain on Lannister side due to better spoils and armies (Petyr game must be slow, even if he has 4 kingdoms on paper, they are currently not all his and those who has armies are not yet 100% loyal to him)), he throws it all away for a council position in the Winterfell by basically selling a Stark to slavery... yeah how would that go wrong.
and yeah I rly like Petyr as a character, he is smart and interesing so given a chance to rant about what they did to him... let's just say I rarely pass on it. Ty for all who read my rant.
There are reasons why Breaking Bad is still praised as the best show of all time while GoT got thrashed to shits. 1. The showrunners of BB had passion and planned the ending *right before* they started shooting the pilot. And once the fans started guessing the ending correctly, Vince didn’t change it for the sake of subverting expectations. 2. BB (and BCS) are the show of smart characters outsmarting each other. When certain smart characters died, they died in a very believable way. Meanwhile, in GoT, the once smart characters turned into the dumbest one whenever the plot demands it. 3. The plot armor in BB had a great setup and suits the circumstance. For example, (Spoilers alert) Hank survived the shootout in season 3 because his enemy is known to into theatrics so they didn’t finish him instantly. They tried to kill him in the fanciest way possible. That’s how Hank used that to his advantage. In GoT, the plot armor is inconsistent. Red Wedding and Ned’s execution are the best case of realistic writing and then we got “the Long Night” that cut the scenes every time the main characters were in danger, then once it cuts back, they were fine. And there’s no character who has a thinker plot armor than Arya Stark and all those bullshits happened because D&D were fond of Maisie Williams and “strong female character” agenda so they made her survived everything that used to kill other characters (for example, Arya can get shanked and swam in a dirty water and she could be just fine while Talisa Stark got shanked and died or Khal Drogo died because of the infected wound despite the wound was far smaller than Arya’s’) and stole a meaningful payoff from Jon. 4. Speaking of female characters. Even though Skyler is one of the most hated characters in BB franchise, she is the real strong female character. She has deep flaws and insecurities but the reason she’s strong because she is a well-written character. They are many moments that she is annoying but once we reached BB season 5, we just feel sorry for her because we understand her motive and how she wants to protect her family from Walt. Vince Gilligan made Skyler be able to stand on her own without bringing her surrounding characters down to make her smarter. And there’s Kim Wexler. She is one of the best female lead of every TV show and even in a scene that the show needs to bring another character down to make her seem smarter, the show did it in a very believable way. (Spoiler alert for BCS) Saul Goodman is known to be an extremely smart lawyer who can talk himself out of any situation but in penultimate episode of season 5, he couldn’t talk himself out of the dangerous situation because he witnessed a cartel shootout and had a PTSD so he was frozen when a cartel leader walked into his home so Kim had to stand up and talk the situation out herself. GoT, however, never gave a believable reason to dumb the other characters down to prop up “strong female characters” like Sansa and Arya so it ruined the experience of the show completely. Tyrion became stupid. Jon got to do nothing and Dany went mad in order to make Sansa and Arya the smarter and more moral heroes. 5. The character development. BB spent 5 seasons in turning Walter White from a kind cancer patient into an evil megalomaniacal meth kingpin. Whenever he did evil things in the final season, it never seems out of character because the show took time for his growth. Daenerys, on the other hand, went from an altruistic hero into a psychopath in the range of just 2 episodes. D&D kept making an excuse that “it was setup since season 1 when Viserys died” except that Dany spent years after that NOT to be like her own mad father and brother and she was sane during the Long Night. And Jaime Lannister, his entire development was ruined by a single dialogue about how he didn’t give a shit about innocent civilians. GoT really did these amazing characters dirty. Glad that Tywin and Robb died when the show used to have a great writing.
You made me realize that they turned Baelish into the Dean of Community in the Conspiracy episode. "if you conspire with everyone, are you really conspiring or are you doing random shit?
I remember at the time this aired a lot of people (by which I mean /tv/) assumed the kingsmoot was a godawful 2016 election reference (Euron being Trump and Yara being Clinton) But looking at the timeline of 6's production vs the timeline of the election it seems pretty dubious If it is true it's definitely a sign of the writers starting to care more about signaling to future employers than about their award winning show
I mean they screwed up the Ironborn from the beginnin, aside from the fact that they aren't portrayed as the threat they are, they cut out too much at the beginning. Unlike season 1, during season 2 book 5 was out, so they knew that Victarion and Euron and Aeron were going to be important later and they still cut them, which lead to Yara becoming a mix of Vic, Aeron and Asha in the later seasons. They cut 2 pov characters out and had no plan on how to make that work later, because you can successfully cut and substitute things, but obviously not the way it happend here. In contrast they didn't have the budget for Tyrion on the battlefield in season 1, so he got knocked out, but we have 2 other scenes with Tyrion fighting to substitute for that. And while I think Vargo Hoat would have been a lot better than Locke: he was still written in a way that worked with the rest of the world and he wasn't an obvious insert by the showrunners.
The fact Yara took a number of his ships could’ve been so easily explained by some of the crowd either not liking the kinslaying or having served directly under her
I love watching this stuff as someone who has only read the books because I'm always so confused at how these characters could have possibly ended up where they are in the show.
I agree there should have been more story with house Manderly. That would have given so many plotpoints, like how Jon and Sansa deal with Wyman who is super loyal for the Starksand thus Jon and SanSan have to think are they really worthy Stark name. There could have been plot for securing Wyman heir. So when heir is safe / or our heroes somehow save or make a deal for him Old Wyman would be safe to do some heroic sacrifise of his life. He could do discount Freypie / siege of Wintefell plot where he would feign alligience for Boltons and end up turning on them. Or attacking Boltons to draw them south or just joining the battle. That would together with young lady Mormont tell the story how deep the loyalty of North runs for Starks. And give chance for some great secondary charecters with Wyman and maybe his heir that could carry to next seasons. How cool it would be to have Wyman or Wylis to join scenes with making the King in the north, debating how Jon bended the knee and fighting the others. ( Great possibility to have more named charecters die in the battle.
@Glidus Please please please please please please do videos on the utter desecration that is the TV series Wheel Of Time. I can't sum up that plot train-wreck better than by saying that it makes Benioff & Weiss's Season 8 look like a work of subtlety and genius. 😉
Goddamn it FUCK YES! I haven’t seen this whole video but the things you said about the faceless men and the many personal emotions shown in that plot is exactly what I’ve always thought! Thank you for this
The funniest thing to me about Sansa's plot this season is that Season 1 Sansa would unironically have been more competent than Season 6 Sansa at retaking Winterfell, because she'd have accepted the offer of a large army immediately rather than fancying that she could do it herself and then getting conclusively proven wrong.
but then what? the battle at the end of the season would be absurdly easy and anticlimactic. so by this army existing at all, theyve written themselves into a corner.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 If any of this has a relation to the source material, Sansa will actually be bringing the Vale army from the Vale, rather than hanging around with Jon and fretting about whether to accept an offer of help.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I don’t think so. If Ramsey got wind that the vale’s army was joining Jon he would have never left Winterfell. Jon would have to surround the castle and somehow breach the walls with archers picking them off one by one. It would have been interesting for sure but I like to think Sansa knew that which is why she kept it from Jon since she’s so woke and smart now 😂. I’m giving dumb and dumber too much credit at this point
@@TheValk777 exactly. ambushing the boltons was their only chance. otherwise theyd be stuck in a costly and long siege as winter approaches.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Well under normal circumstances you can't ambush with an army, people will tell you way before they make it to you, either by Raven or at least a scout. You have to completly forget how this works and has worked in Westeros before to make a whole army ambushing WF possible.
Petyr: I trusted a stranger. I made a mistake.
*gives Sansa to the house with a flayed man as their sigil*
sure that will go down well
his mistake was trusting that Stannis would be able to take care of the Boltons for him. which he didnt.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 That would still require Sansa already getting married to Ramsay and her not being a maiden anymore, which is kind of a big deal. Then again they made jokes about Brienne in season 8, so I guess they forgot about that too.
In addition, this house also betrayed his family and killed her brother and wife in the most terrible way. Littlefinger seems he kind of forgot about this very important information. Btw Ramsay Bolton's atrocities is known by a lot of lords in the North. Littlefinger also in the book, is most knowledgeable man about lords in Westeros. It is impossible that he didn't hear Ramsay's reputation.
He knows that it won’t go down well. He thinks this is his way to getting closer to his goal of more power. Is this whole comment thread joking? Of course he knew he just doesn’t care.
@@lobsters12111 How can sending Sansa to Boltons will help Littlefinger to gain more power. He sold key of the North (Sansa was last member of Starks except Bran and Rickon, thus his husband will be protector of the North) for only some golds to Boltons whose power in the North is temporary. Until season 5, Littlefinger gained firstly Harrenhal and then Vale by killing Lysa Tully, now He can gain North by marrying Sansa in 3 years. Protector of North and Vale would be stronger candidate to Throne than Cersei on the King's Landing who has only House Lannister support. I really don't understand what Littlefinger gained from selling Sansa to Boltons.
Kinslaying was so frowned upon that even Walder Frey wouldn't do it and spared Edmure's life since he was his son in law. But Euron somehow manages to claim the throne by bragging about it.
i don't think thats why he kept edmure around, he needed him basicaly as a breeding stock so he would get grandchildren that could claim the riverlands as a whole
@@tommerker8063 not really Edmure was the rightfull lord of Riverrun and his descendents would be Tullys, not Freys, the mere existence of his bloodline was a threat to the Frey claim to Riverrun. The grandchildren would always be Tullys, not Freys. Walder Frey had already commited so many disposable actions that he didn't want to add kinslaying as other reason for being hated. Tywin wouldn't openly kill Tyrion because of how frowned upon kinslaying was.
@@masterplokoon8803 true, but walder could still take a lot of influence over the child and while he might not be in direct control having his grandson be the lord of riverrun is just a plus. a tully raised as a frey is very much in his interest and for sure killing his father would forever make the child hate him.
also i don't think frey even had the chance to kill edmure, they took him to the siege of riverrun adn afterwards jaime send him to casterly rock
@@masterplokoon8803 Edmure and his potential kids by Ros are the Frey claim to RIverrun, afaik. I feel like Walder fully intended to have Edmure killed after he'd fathered a son on Ros
@@pallasathena2228 they would be Tullys, not Freys, eventually they would honour their Tully heritage above the Freys, since the Freys cannot even hold the Riverlands by themselves. And Edmure fathered a kid and Walder Frey didn't kill him.
The North tragically has amnesia water as a supply to drink now, so they just keep forgetting to inform Ramsay about the Army of the Vale being there.
They kinda forgot…
I didn't know the river Lethe runs through Westeros
I like the idea that ppl are just not tellibg him on purpose
It would have been great if they used it as a way of introducing Howland Reed and that he is killing all of the scouts that see them. But whatever. Screen writting is so hard.
"I don't like them putting chemicals in the water. They turn the freaking Boltons stupid!"
“I guess nobody in the writers room cared much about this” could literally be the name of the season 6,7,8 boxset lmao
Heck, even most of season 5 fits that bill
5 included
Season 5
A box set that would collect dust at a thrift shop that looks like it could be closed any week now
Davos’ mission to White Harbour then Skagos, Victarion in Meereen, Quentyn Martell, Arianne Martell, Crow’s Eye Euron raiding the Reach, Lady Stoneheart, Jaime in the Riverlands should have all happened in Season 5
One of the most striking things between the early seasons and the late ones is how boring the costume design becomes. There used to be a shit ton of personality to what everyone wore, but by the end it was all just variations of black and brown and maybe a little red or white. Still impeccably crafted. But boring. Or just completely anachronistic.
something else that really annoys me about it is that black clothing has a lot of significance- it’s supposed to either indicate your house or if you’re in mourning. but when every single bloody character is wearing black none of that has any significance. mourning clothes are supposed to be important
agreed
@@lucymariposa I dunno about house, but considering that joining the Night's Watch is literally called 'taking the black' I feel maybe most people who ARENT part of that organisation would avoid black? Okay, maybe the Ironborn dgaf, but when did Cersei's favorite color change from red/gold to black?
@acooknamed_Rishi lol yeah I tacked on that point about anachronistic designs at the end because of her "goth sparkly queen dress" from season 7/8
@@minnumseerrund The only thing I liked about some of Cersei's later customes is that they used the same fabric as for Tywin's (black with the hole patterns)
Petyr’s downfall came from the fact that he read the books but not the script!
i always wondered what did arya really think about the play, like she sympathised with cersei but also apparently just found out that her sister as captive was married off to tyrion, is a suspect in the murder of joffrey and is on the run and she just … doesn’t react ???
I'm so glad someone pointed the lack of heraldry in the Kingsmoot. It always felt the show slowly forgot about vassals and bannerman towards the last seasons (aside from a few northmen of course) and it really broke immersion for me.
That's part of why the show's version of Westeros felt like it got smaller and simpler and less populated as it went along. That and the ridiculous fast travel and also Cersei conveniently murdering a bunch of secondary characters with no consequences ofc
The show clearly only thinks there are four houses, which is why despite not being relevant for almost the entire plot the Baratheons get 4th billing on the logo instead of being swapped for a house with living members like the Tyrells, Martells, Freys, Greyjoys, or Boltons each season. There are 3 houses: ice boys, fire girls and villains.
Thanks for posting that; I’ve never encountered the expression “ broke immersion for me” and I’ve been trying to describe it, because it became such a common event in watching GoT.
One of the worst ‘broke immersion’ moments for me was seeing Dany’s hand reaching a final time for the Iron Throne and everything being ‘broken’ by her perfectly American-style polished and manicured fingernails. I wonder if many men noticed her anachronistic nails, but I’ll bet a lot of other women did.
I agree!
My husband never read the books and still hasn't but he asked what a Kingsmoot was so we paused the show and I carefully explained everything that was about to go down. I told him about the offerings and the great lords and the kings on their ships. Fuck, we took a break to have dinner before we resumed the show.
None of that happened.
First, he couldn't figure out why the Kraken was everywhere even though there were only 3 of them. Then he got real confused when they said the Ironborn never made their mark. Me explaining the Ironborn and Harrenhal and their complete dominion over the sea had my husband so hooked, he almost read the books.
@@LordMangudai Exactly, the line about the Reach being empty in Season 8, just because the Tyrells had been defeated? What about the Hightowers, Oakhearts, Rowans, Peakes, Redwynes, Mullendores, Merryweathers
Your jetpack joke has more consistency than the plot of The Dragon Show, very well done
What is this jetpack joke??
@@shaftomite007 in later seasons, characters seemed to teleport from one place in Westeros to another, crossing impossible distances, due to iffy editing, or lazy writing. So Glumbosaurus Rex started keeping track of which characters were moving around the continent so fast, they must have had a “jetpack”.
The words, “I underestimated a stranger” would only ever come out of Littlefinger’s mouth if he was trying to feign stupidity as some kind of 4D chess move
I dIdNt KnOw
"My punishment for regicide was... Monarchy" - Ssethtzeentach
Just as planed
"I spent my days as a ruler spreading the rumors that previous king was murdered, by myself. Everybody refused to believe that and said that me, the king, is full of shit!"
It confuses me that the Iron Born hated Balon Greyjoy...especially to a point where they don't care that he died, yet they took the time to find his body and cast his body to the Drowned God.
thats Dumb & Dumber consistecy for ya!
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 though he was accused
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 would have made so much more sense that way
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 i think loved is the wrong word though, more like respected and feared
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 having since read the books, the kingsmoot scene in this episode PALES in comparison to the one in AFFC. they already had a great scene written and they fucked it up for... reasons. if they needed to streamline it they could have cut some of the other claimants but why not just have euron bring a load of loot as he does in the book? 'men pray when they see my sails. why aeron, i am the godliest man to ever raise sail!' is such a good line and would help explain why the ironborn fall behind him, and yet there's NOTHING
I like to imagine that the Kingsmoot was just an incredibly drunk Euron's fantasy. Everyone was trying to have a nice barbecue on the beach and chill out when Drunkle Euron showed up to challenge the party goers
Westeros seriously started feeling like a neighborhood. Everyone has that brooding look (looking at you dark bearded lannisters). Costumes feel more star warry and you can't distinguish between houses. And people say that season 6 was masterpiece as well.
Oh my god yesss, star wars!! that's what the GOT costumes in later seasons reminded me of. I kept thinking these costumes belong in another franchise, but couldn't quite put my finger on which one it was!
Nobody says S6 was a masterpiece
@@fox2569 Glidus bring that up sarcastically, but was there ever anyone that considered it the best season, let alone amasterpiece?
I lost interest in season 5 and by the glimpses of S6 I was getting, i knew everything went to shit. S7 confirmed it, and S8... Took it to new levels.
I never liked the outfits from season 5 onwards, nothing about them screamed "Game of Thrones". The first 4 seasons had costumes reminiscent of actual medieval fashion with a GOT twist (which made them much better, because medieval clothes weren't that pretty). But from season 5 onwards nothing looked "medieval", except maybe the men's clothes because they all lowkey dressed the same. Daenerys' season 8 outfits were pretty but far too Star Wars-y like you said. Rhaenyra's outfit in episode 10 is the perfect example of how a queen would be dressed for a war council meeting in a GOT setting, none of Dany or Sansa's outfits gave me that impression.
D&D turned their show into Star Wars because they couldn't be bothered with doing it properly anymore because they had an offer to write Star Wars, and because they turned their show into Star Wars nobody liked their show anymore and the deal to write Star Wars fell through, and the whole reason they were offered it in the first place is because it seemed that the current writers of Star Wars couldn't be bothered with doing it properly, and maybe D&D could.
In the words of George Lucas: "It's like poetry, it rhymes".
Can't believe you left out Leaf's totally necessary suicide of running into a crowd of wights, letting herself get stabbed a bunch, THEN using her plasma grenade. Instead of just throwing it from a distance then running away with Bran. Almost as though the writers didn't know what to do with this character and just nothinged them out of the show.
Same with Summer. Could have run away. His death bought one extra second tops
This was the first episode I remember thinking this is kinda dumb. It was when the wights were sprinting across the ceiling of that cave, when usually they just shuffle along the ground at a more or less human speed.
My favorite Baelish line was "The grind is all there is"
“The Climb” referring to the Chaos Ladder
truly one of the moments in TV history
Remember when the Kingsroad was dangerous because of the wars and such? The Bolton’s must be pretty damn good Wardens of the North to make solo passage through the entirety of their kingdom safe for even the likes of Littlefinger. Why should any Northerner or even any Westerosi want the Starks back in Winterfell when the Bolton’s have done such a job with their new post? Blind Loyalty????
To add to this, unlike the Starks, no one ever deserted the Boltons even in their most desperate hour. That kind of undying loyalty has to come from their stellar and fair management of their lands and vassals.
Actually, in the books (and possibly in the show too I can’t recall) the north remained incredibly safe under the Starks, even during the war of the five kings until the ironborn invaded, it’s just really easy to keep the north in line due to their adherence to the old ways and the north’s general sense of honour
@@ApathytheAlienTongue it might be more risky to be a bandit in the vast cold barren North than in the south. Not to mention the Wildlings are probably going to outcompete you unless you join them.
@@ApathytheAlienTongue i don't think he meant it as there is no crime in the north, but rather that deserters (wich are mostly why the south is so unsafe during the war) were not as common, since there were no large scale battles north of the neck. also putting up guards is not something extremely special, even during peace times caravans and travelers would set up guards during the night. it's just common sense realy
@@tommerker8063 but that has nothing to do with their 'old ways' and 'sense of honor' and still all just due to geography
The idea of Brienne being consumed with guilt for killing the actual King (stannis) on a charge of Kinslaying and Kingslaying beared so much possibility. Especially her and Davos clashing over that very same issue, with Brienne viewing Stannis as a murderer, and Davos viewing hm as a saviour and friend. All the chances were right there, and it was wasted.
Also makes me think she didn’t really have a reason to hate Stannis it was a war
@@jackj9816 He killed Renly, the person she was sworn to protect as a member of his Kingsguard with a shadow baby, thus committing both kin and kingslaying in one act
@@starlight0313 Yes but renly was committing treason
It was only treason the moment Renly stopped breathing. Up until that Renly was in open rebellion against his brother and looked like he was going to take out Stannis and his supporters then sack Kings Landing. Stannis is the righful king, but had yet to take his throne. Renly was still also a King crowned and coordinated, and killing him in cold blood was treason by Stannis also. There's probably some serious nuance I'm glossing over, but I'm from the USA and all this monarchy shit is above my expertise.
@@Guinnessdrnkr1234 none of them are the true king. It’s made up and usually goes to the person who has flying Molotov lizards.
"He was a normal kid, apart from the Dunk genes."
I always forget that both Hodor/Willas and Brienne are descendants of Ser Duncan the Tall and therefore are related. Thanks for reminding me 😂
Well, Willas isn't because it's not confirmed for the show incarnation, but Walder-Hodor from the books is.
@@TheSixthDoctor It'd be great if Dunk cucked some Lord Tyrell at some point
Willis is a lot smarter than Brienne
It isn't confirmed that Hodor/Willas is his descendant, right? It's fan speculation based on one of Bran's visions.
@@nealfirstofhisname there's the visions and there's the fact that Dunk visited Winterfell for a period some 80 years ago
The abandoned plotlines went west with Gylbert and the other ironborn houses/kingsmoot claimants
I for one am happy that his highness Gylbert Farwynd, first of his name and true king of the Iron Isles, has taken all of the abandonend plotlines and brought them beyond the Sunset Sea to the mystical land whithout bad writing where death holds no sway. All the forgotten characters, like Jhiqui, Kinvara, Quaithe or Littlefinger's brain are now living as kings and queens in their own right. Itisknown.
@@brotlowskyrgseg1018 it is known.
The Petyr montage at the 9 min mark is *chef's kiss*
I laughed out loud. It’s so true though.✨🤣
Alright calm down Daniel Greene.
I had to watch 9:28 forward a few times to realize what happened, the freeze frame and zoom is too good.
HAHAHAHA ISN'T IT THO?? my bf and i died laughing
Look out Gordon Ramsay
I'm actually thankful for how they did the Hodor scene in this. It's really bad and pointless and everything the same scene in GRRM's version won't be. It gives off vibes similar to reading a Wikipedia plot synopsis and recreating the scene just off of those few sentences. GRRM's version will at the very least make sense and have a point. I've gone in and read the synopsis, and now I get to actually experience the scene as intended.
As if GRRM will actually finish a book...
good point but it's pretty telling if the biggest compliment you can give a piece of media is "well at least they didn't spoil the story we actually wanted"
Winds of Winter never ever
@@Glidus you say that, but spoil also means "ruin" and I've found myself doing significantly less rereads since they killed Baristan. That could also be the apathy developed from a 10+ year wait (because him announcing he's finished is still 6-9months before release) for a book that's been "almost done" for 8 years.
D&D: we’re gonna write these seasons so bad that people will appreciate the books GRRM is definitely gonna finish
HBO: Oh, we were expecting you guys to at least try to maintain the same writing quality
D&D: You see, the best thing about expectations is…
In Dany's defense, getting the hell away from her *did* save his life. And once he came back, he didn't live long.
Cuz she’s used him as a human shield 🤦🏿♀️
@@kkandsims4612 based
@@kkandsims4612 And his armor is made of Play-Do
Dan and Dave: *literally have templates for a person reanimated by fire or ice magic*
Also Dan and Dave: *Jon Snow has 0 physical issues living inside a corpse body*
"Ian Glenn is great, Emilia Clarcke... Also acts" lmao
*FATALITY!*
That was fucking brutal 🤣
All the Emilia clarke cant act jokes feel a bit tasteless now that we know about her health issues to be honest
@@herbertschulz4313 What health issues?
@@1994mrmysteryman she suffered an aneurism I believe? Somewhere between seasons 1 and 2. Then she had one again sometime later
So that affected her performance while she recovered
Then the writers saw it and apparently thought the emotionless character looked cool, so they had her play that way from then on
a lot of her worst scenes she was specially instructed to appear unphased
Honestly, the lore behind all the jet pack trading is more interesting than the actual plot at this point
I laugh every time you call the Night King Rhaegar, please never stop doing that.
The "it takes longer in show than on screen" argument doesn't hold water because there's no sign that much time has passed for the people the jetpackers interact with. Clothes don't change, beards and hair don't grow or aren't cut. We have to accept that characters aren't doing squat for weeks or months. They're not even having conversations because they show their scenes as if they are taking place within minutes/hours/days.
The whole Vale army thing is an example of using story (and I use the term loosely) to serve the drama, rather than using drama to serve the story. TH-camr, The Dragon Demands, has pointed out that by this point out they were writing to serve the actors, not the characters or story. It was about showing them emote on screen rather than anything that made logical sense. They needed Kit Harrington to show his "Oh Crap!" face, so Jon can't know about the Vale army.
The entire purpose is to show how “sMaRT” Sansa was. Even though everything she did killed Rickon (in case you forgot, he’s Sansa real brother) and benefitted noone but Littlefinger alone.
@@nont18411 nope. the entire purpose was to have the cool last minute cavalry charge. everything else was a side effect.
(also how did she kill Rickon? Ramsay would've killed him anyway...)
I was house sitting for someone who actually shelled out for HBO, and this was the first episode I ever saw. Imagine my shock when I realized that the drunk pirate was supposed to be the scariest villain of the series
Shelled out? Yeah it's called being able to afford it.
@@markcrowe1938 I didn't mean it as an insult. At the time I was a student who could barely afford meat with my ramen, so anything was shelling out.
The lack of heraldry really makes you think about seasons 8 where 3 different factions show up to a meeting (Jon, Cersei, Dany) and all 3 groups are just wearing black
You mean season 7?
Dany wearing black is fine- black and red are the colors of house Targaryan, and I can even see Jon either not caring or better yet, being pragmatic because all his warm clothes are currently black and winter _is_ coming (would he have had time to go shopping?) but _Cersei?_ Cersei, who wears her connection to house Lannister like the highest honor in the world, _not_ flaunting the red and gold of her house? Especially after all the effort the show USED TO go through to integrate house colors and heraldry? Fuck off with that noise. You can tell D&D had Star Wars on the mind...
@@Silburific the only possible excuse I can think of is that Cersei was supposed to be mourning her son but yeah they really should've added more variety to the costume design and colors
When he started talking about cyber security I thought we were gonna get hit with a Nordvpn ad but forgot he did the knife one in the beginning lol
Your videos always bring a smile to my face even in times when i'm not feeling great. Game of thrones used to do the same thing in the earlier seasons but i'm glad the ruining of the show produced these works of art. Thank you.
Baelish reminds me of that "conspiracy theory class" episode of community where Annie tells the dean "When you conspire with everyone, you're not really conspiring with anyone. You're just doing random crap"
yeah that would've been a better comparison than the rick and morty episode
I remember thinking that Hodors name had something to do with a door way back in 2011. Although with me having not watched the show and only aware that the show had sex and exposition most episodes, I thought his name had something to do with a brothel door - a Hoe Door.
Fast forward to 2016 and I was like fuck.
😂😂😂😭 ok I like yours even better
Hoe door!
"Appreciate the dilapidated brothel, I do respect the symbolism, hope that's intentional."
"Written by: Benioff & Weiss"
That's your answer right there.
I mean, callbacks to previous seasons seems to be the one type of symbolism that they know how to use.
@@benl2140 Use, and overuse. Pile up all the references to older seasons in seasons 7 and 8 and you might think *all* D&D can come up with is recycled content. It's like they're telling us straight to our face "Hey guys, remember when the show was good? So do we. So do we." It's cheap, pathetic and lame.
The Queen behind the rock might be the funniest thing you've ever put into a video
I love that someone else shares both my stanning and loving for Podrick
brillant
High in the halls of the kings who are gone...
Imagine in the medieval age, if the entirety of the English Army camped at Hadrians wall for 2 months, then marched to Edinburgh and attacked. COMPLETELY UNDETECTED. bruh season 6 more like season stinky
@@psych0536 this is big brain actually. I see what D and D were up too now.
11:00
Glidus: it's got plot holes large enough to pilot an aircraft carrier through. not that you would.
Me: I accept that challenge.
Do you own an aircraft carrier?
"Their true goal is to get Jaime and Brienne in the same room together before the end of the season."
Truer words have never been spoken.
Someone has to continue the trend of hating on the finale seasons of GoT. While most have moved on someone must carry the hate for the disgusting creation brought to us by D&D brothers. Thank you sir.
I will never truly move on
The second the last seasons are brought up I cannot hold back my long long long complaints. The fans remember.
Guys Euron was in a silly 😜 goofy 🤪 mode
BIG KOK
Thank you for using banana for scale for the knives, that helped me immensely!
There _is_ actually a brief mention of Tully/ Stark loyalists, in the form of the Blackwoods & Mallisters- at the start of S4, I believe -& it essentially goes f*cking **nowhere** after Riverrun is retaken...
Now we know how Jon killed Dany! That dagger was a Kamikoto Knife!!!
So what was the dagger that the snakes used to kill the abnormally large man in a second with a single stab to the shoulder?
11:55 The House of Bore and Snore fckn killed me
“Unless you’re Jon, then its a minor inconvenience “
Beric: am i joke to you?!?
Death/ressurection was more than a minor inconvenience for Beric. He lost a lot of his identity and memories. He was a fire wight. His existence was defined by his duty to a dead king - he is more of an echo of his former self as opposed to being Beric. Whereas Jon comes back and is just grumpy wumpy and wants a holiday in dorne
@@jherm123 agree with that
@@jherm123 my theory is that since Jon was resurrected only once, it took him about 3 seasons to slowly get to "I don't want it"
@@anaghabaheti It could be that Jon has multiple magics working on him. Unfortunately I don't think it is mentioned in the show but time and time again in the books it is mentioned that the magic in the wall preserves things splendidly. Add in Jon's warg abilities along with possible dragon dreams and you have multiple forms of magic to make him better than Beric.
Of course D&D would need to set this shit up which they refused to do so... Whatevs
@@abrashio strictly show based observation. I am sure the book won't be an incoherent mess driven by fan theories and plot armour
The worst part about the play is that they didn't put Tyrion's scar on the wrong side.
Aeron in the books: *a zealot who was probably changed in the same way that Patchface was but less insane* "Euron is a demonic eldritch horror and he's tied me to his ship help"
Aeron in the show: *"WHO WANT CROWN"*
Hold The Door
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They Took Our Jobs
22:45 Oh my god... Balon just... dissolved. They couldn't have even beeen bothered to draw and animate a fucking splash. That's another level of laziness. It's transcending mere not giving a fuck, and ascending to an entire new plane of being where the fuck does't even exist.
He was thrown into the AmNeSiA water.
Honestly Glidus your videos are always such a joy to watch!
While we agree that everyone except the writers did a great job during later seasons, costume designs become so depressing. From detailed, cleverly designed to represent each character and the world they live in to different flavour of black. What a waste.
P.S. I’m glad that Billy Postlethwaite got a cameo in today’s episode of pisstake and I did appreciate the got review reference
Obara murdering the prince of Dorne was excellent forshadowing for the entirety of Westaros not giving two shits about regicide
When I first saw Euron. I was literally say who the f*ck is this guy and why should I care about him. After reading the books, I got pissed because he's literally my favorite character from the books now. Like the show, literally does him no justice. Read the books Euron is epic for real.
In the GoT game, Leaf turns Hodor into a tree to block the door. So he doesn’t suffer by the hands of the wights.
I mean at least he didn’t die horribly?
I'm still lol'ing over the fact that a huge army thousands strong managed to cross halfway across westeros unnoticable.
Littlefingers plan wasnt so bad. He gave Roose Sansa to then strike deal with Cersei (who represents the crown) to make him warden of the north. Then he undermined Cersei to Olenna so that Tyrells (or at least easily controlled Tommen) would be on top, so when he reclaims Winterfell, they honor his deal with the crown AND they dont have problem with Sansa being alive (which Cersei would have).
That feels more like a Doran Martell plot. Overly complicated, too many moving parts and points of potential failure. Littlefinger was always more about creating conflict and chaos, then improvising to exploit the opportunities that arise for him.
But what if Stannis takes Winterfell? I’ve never understood that part. No deal with him about being Warden of the North. And maybe Cersei wants Sansa alive. Isn’t she still technically married to a Lannister? He IS a kinslaying Lannister, of course. But if the marriage is valid, then doesn’t that make a Lannister lord of Winterfell? Does Tyrion factor into all of this?
Anyway, let’s say that the point is for Petyr to look like an ally/hero by getting the Boltons out of Winterfell-even though (mua ha ha) the only reason the Boltons are truly *in* Winterfell with their claim to the North solidified with a marriage to Sansa is because of Littlefinger in the first place. How would that scenario play out if Petyr actually thinks Stannis is going to be the one to chuck the Boltons out? If Stannis succeeds, why does Petyr think that anyone (Tyrells, Tommen, Cersei, whoever) would honor his “deal”? He didn’t reclaim Winterfell, and now Stannis (their enemy) is more powerful/the one needing to be chucked out. Chaos may be a ladder, but…I guess I’d buy that element more if he were setting up *others’* fates to depend on what shakes out in Winterfell-not his own. I suppose I am assuming he actually does want to marry Sansa-but I guess if we’re going by what he *does* rather than what he *says* (since he lies all the time), then, according to the show, he really doesn’t want to marry her…?
Of course, we know in the books that Petyr did NOT hand Sansa over to the Boltons, which suggests that he *is* aware of how insane Ramsay is and he *is* holding on to Sansa for some other purpose. And book or no book, seasons 1-4 Petyr would do his research. No question. So I think we’re left to assume in show-world that Petyr was fully aware that Ramsay was a monster and thus is Sansa’s enemy, maybe trying to pull some Freudian-ish revenge on Catelyn by making Sansa suffer. But that doesn’t add up. Or at least go anywhere. Which you’d think it would, as kind of a big deal in Petyr’s character arc.
I don’t know. None of it ultimately makes any sense to me-unless we assume that the show just conveniently made Petyr dumber to justify the Sansa-Ramsay marriage. Which is what I think happened.
@@bethperforms6191 would taking Winterfell from a depleted army led by Stannis be much different than taking Winterfell from a depleted army led by Roose Bolton?
Glidus: "Kinvara is the most memorable character and finally I get to DIG into her...."
You and me both brother
Fs in chat for all the raised questions still hanging out, unanswered.
F.
F. Big F.
I still wanna know why Ned heard Brans voice in the tower of joy scene. What was all that about? It implied that Bran could manipulate time and space prompting a thousand theories but it never came up again...
*F*
This is why people have to stop giving writers credit for "creating mystery". Any idiot can not explain what's going on, it only becomes a mystery after you explain it.
Just started watching. Crossing my fingers for Ser "I Did" Alliser Thorne to cameo.
I’m know that the writers didn’t ever think of this as a possibility but I think one of the only ways little fingers plan was meant to be was:
1. He sells Sansa to the Bolton’s, she marries Ramsey and they were meant to have a nice marriage
2. Stanis attacks and kills the Bolton’s taking winterfell and possibly Sansa (pretend Jon doesn’t exist or something)
3. He made a deal with queen pumpkin to kill the Bolton’s for Sansa in exchange for the north but instead stanis another enemy of queen ‘drinking while pregnant is fine if it’s wine’ so he kills stanis’ depleted army and takes winterfell.
4. No one is any wiser that little thumb set it all up and now he gets the north and now Sansa doesn’t hate him and thinks he rescued her falling in love and they live happily ever after or something.
Yeah never mind that’s shit
Why bother selling Sansa off in the first place if you're just going to take Winterfell anyways? Assuming she isn't killed by Ramsay, she's going to hate Petyr for it anyways.
@@Aredel apparently because he knows sweet FA about Ramsey other than he's a legitimized Bastard. Then again I don't see why he doesn't just Rebel against the Crown and take Winterfell anyway if the Bolton's win. I mean a lot of his efforts have crippled the Crown Militarily.
@@vincegalila7211 I refuse to believe Petyr doesn’t have any spies in the North capable of gathering any information on Ramsay.
@@Aredel would he even need spy's? Wouldn't rumors spread about a serial killer bastard lordling?
@@vincegalila7211 because unlike many a monkey brain in Westeros, Petyr doesn’t act on pure rumor and speculation. He gathers concrete information before planning his next move.
As someone who have watched the previous 4 episode 3 times each, waiting for this one. FUCK YES it is here. Keep being amazing Glidus!
Richard E. Grant's acting on that play really served a GLORIOUS PURPOSE!
I have been thinking of buying a japanese kitchen knife recently and now that you have this discount i rushed myself to the website to find it full of red flags, "2 for the price of one" and clearly a fake discount of over $2000?? And on top of that discount i get $50 off with a youtuber code? So i looked it up and found out the knives are chinese knives faking to be japanese, do not buy these knives they are very overpriced for what they are, please do some research on your sponsorship deals.
He said in his patron discord channel that he's aware that they're Chinese and not that great, and that he would discourage anyone from buying them.
@@jcdenton8563 So why did he take the sponsorship?
@@akashajones6079 Presumably for the money, the reason that everyone does sponsored ads and the thing that everyone needs to live.
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I am sorry, but that sounds like a bs excuse. There is a difference between promoting a product that you just didn't try out and a promoting a product you know is falsely advertised and then still advertise for it. I mean, if you are already at the stage where you have to take deals where you KNOW you are doing false advertisement then maybe it's a moment to think about changing your job. Not to mention that once it comes out you are knwingly doing false advertisements, the damage dealt will be larger then the money you make from it. It is quite naive if you ask me. Because the only reason content creators get the offer in the first place is that the companies want to take advantage of the relationship between content creator and viewer. After all, a lot of people believe a content creator more easily than a standard ad person (which isn't a new concept since celebreties were used long before TH-cam was a thing to promote products). The moment this comes out, either the companies know that your viewers don't believe you anyway, so they don't have a reason to approach you or they see that the viewers lost their trust in you which means they don't have a reason to approach you. It's a bad decision no matter how you look at it. Also, just to mention this here, but false advertisement is illegal in a lot of countries. This isn't so much of a problem for whatever company is behind the website (because god knows where that one is stationed), but good luck for TH-cam to turn a blind eye on that if they ever find out.
“They won’t put knives in your kitchen, if you don’t want them to.“
Glad you cleared that one up for us. Ha! 🤓
I love that Brienne has the nerve to call someone else "brooding"
Love the call-out to Supercuts Delight you added in there.
I love it when Lord Glidus bathes us in his benevolent piss🙏 thank you sir.
That was such a smooth sponsorship, I didn’t realize it was one until halfway through
HAHAHAHA FCKN SAME THO. frictionless.
This episode is the best example of the way season 6 episodes were mostly judged only by one good scene each at the time.
Apart from the last scene (which in hindsight doesn't hold up either) the rest of the episode is straight up complete garbage.
Watching show fans completely lose their minds when debating this episode was cathartic as fu*k.
Top 10 episode my ass!
I love the commitment of calling the night king Rhaegar lol
Yeah idk why they made Manderly so unimportant in the story.. like he’s being written at this time as the key to victory over the north.. like he’s fucking up to something in a crazy Northern Conspiracy and they just gloss over him in the show as some guy you see once lol.
I'm wheezing from the little Petyr in Petyr's mouth and watched it 4 x in a row, what a brilliant edit
Hearing you consistently refer to the NK as Rhaegar still makes me happy two years later. 😅
The knife presentation is one of the best sales pitches I've ever seen. If I wanted knives you're the man I'd buy them off lol
I pissed my self when the queen appeared behind the rock
I let out an audible “fuck yeah” when I saw the length of this video. Thank you daddy glimbo.
"knifeholes" ah yes, one of Jon Snow's many nicknames
As long as you continue to give the Knights of the Vale the respect they deserve, you have all my likes and loyalty
I swear, that "unneccessary break in dialogue"-interlude-joke is my kryptonite, no matter how often I see it, I still find it hysterical.
2/10, did not say "nuncle".
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9/10 used the word squidmaker
42:30 In the book it is (kinda) hinted that Hodor wasn't simple all his life in, i quote "No one knew where “Hodor” had come from, she said, but when he started saying it, they started calling him by it. It was the only word he had." ( A game of thrones)
So it was possible that this reveal was indeed attended by GRR Martin but through a lack of build up/ hints to that moment, the show runners didn't set up the mistery surrounding Hodor.
I love you Glombus, I hope your plot armour never rusts ❤️
I have a decent theory about how Petyr acquired the jetpacks.
If you were to ask me what in the dragonshow resembles jetpacks, I'd be an idiot to not say dragons. So let's imagine that the jetpack are somewhat linked to dragons.
So we know that there were 3 dragon eggs in Braavos from Elissa Farman (now you might say that's only book stuff, and not even main books at that, and to that I say that it was never stated that it didn't happen in the show, so for all we know it might have happened.), and we know that Petyr's grandfather was from Braavos.
Now this grandpa Baelish guy ends up becoming a knight and then a lord. How does this random foreign sellsword become a lord? Perhaps because he had something extremely valuable? Such as dragon eggs?
But this guy wasn't nearly as genius as his grandson, so couldn't do much with the eggs, so he just left it alone. But Petyr, having one of the largest brains in the multiverse, was able to perform some magic on the eggs, and he managed to hatch them.
But since he isn't a Targaryen, he wasn't able get fully grown dragons. Instead, the result was like miniature, partially-functioning dragons, that we know as jetpacks.
Kinvara is the hottest GOT character, therefore, this is the best episode. I rest my case.
It brings me so much enjoyment watching you tear apart my favorite show. Thanks for making these
Great video, can't get enough of shitting on got xd.
One thing to mention is that when Petyr gives Sansa to Boltons (because reasons) he is activlly giving some of his positions away, basically all titles he got from Lannisters should have been stripped since Sansa is at the time a fugative accused of regicide. Petyr (real one not this imposter) has zero reasons to get Starks back to power, because they will take his position of warden of Riverlands (he got this with Harrenhall, since Tullies were taken their claims (or at least this happens in a book). So having admitted that he aided her would be seen as a treason in the eyes of Cersei, or anyone really. Boltons even make public wedding and d&d just made it so Cersei did not hear about it or did not care.
What they did here is merge to stories that could not be merged, since in books Sansa is about to try and woo Harry the heir (of Vale), next in line after Robert who will probably die soon, and her friend who Petyr enslave and tortured into obidient whore, Jayne (same age as Arya so they just say it is her9 is give to Boltons. This is how Petyr secures friendship with Lion and Boltons while keeping knowladge of this fake Arya and a better claim on winterfell. In the books Petyr is working towards total domination, that dude literally have 4 kingdoms out of 7. He can just betray Tyrells after they kill Lannisters and allies with Dorne, 4 out of 5. He has a legit chance of aiming for a king position.
In the show he thorws it all away for an alligance that would never happen (bcs Boltons and Freys would remain on Lannister side due to better spoils and armies (Petyr game must be slow, even if he has 4 kingdoms on paper, they are currently not all his and those who has armies are not yet 100% loyal to him)), he throws it all away for a council position in the Winterfell by basically selling a Stark to slavery... yeah how would that go wrong.
and yeah I rly like Petyr as a character, he is smart and interesing so given a chance to rant about what they did to him... let's just say I rarely pass on it. Ty for all who read my rant.
There are reasons why Breaking Bad is still praised as the best show of all time while GoT got thrashed to shits.
1. The showrunners of BB had passion and planned the ending *right before* they started shooting the pilot. And once the fans started guessing the ending correctly, Vince didn’t change it for the sake of subverting expectations.
2. BB (and BCS) are the show of smart characters outsmarting each other. When certain smart characters died, they died in a very believable way. Meanwhile, in GoT, the once smart characters turned into the dumbest one whenever the plot demands it.
3. The plot armor in BB had a great setup and suits the circumstance. For example, (Spoilers alert) Hank survived the shootout in season 3 because his enemy is known to into theatrics so they didn’t finish him instantly. They tried to kill him in the fanciest way possible. That’s how Hank used that to his advantage. In GoT, the plot armor is inconsistent. Red Wedding and Ned’s execution are the best case of realistic writing and then we got “the Long Night” that cut the scenes every time the main characters were in danger, then once it cuts back, they were fine. And there’s no character who has a thinker plot armor than Arya Stark and all those bullshits happened because D&D were fond of Maisie Williams and “strong female character” agenda so they made her survived everything that used to kill other characters (for example, Arya can get shanked and swam in a dirty water and she could be just fine while Talisa Stark got shanked and died or Khal Drogo died because of the infected wound despite the wound was far smaller than Arya’s’) and stole a meaningful payoff from Jon.
4. Speaking of female characters. Even though Skyler is one of the most hated characters in BB franchise, she is the real strong female character. She has deep flaws and insecurities but the reason she’s strong because she is a well-written character. They are many moments that she is annoying but once we reached BB season 5, we just feel sorry for her because we understand her motive and how she wants to protect her family from Walt. Vince Gilligan made Skyler be able to stand on her own without bringing her surrounding characters down to make her smarter. And there’s Kim Wexler. She is one of the best female lead of every TV show and even in a scene that the show needs to bring another character down to make her seem smarter, the show did it in a very believable way. (Spoiler alert for BCS) Saul Goodman is known to be an extremely smart lawyer who can talk himself out of any situation but in penultimate episode of season 5, he couldn’t talk himself out of the dangerous situation because he witnessed a cartel shootout and had a PTSD so he was frozen when a cartel leader walked into his home so Kim had to stand up and talk the situation out herself. GoT, however, never gave a believable reason to dumb the other characters down to prop up “strong female characters” like Sansa and Arya so it ruined the experience of the show completely. Tyrion became stupid. Jon got to do nothing and Dany went mad in order to make Sansa and Arya the smarter and more moral heroes.
5. The character development. BB spent 5 seasons in turning Walter White from a kind cancer patient into an evil megalomaniacal meth kingpin. Whenever he did evil things in the final season, it never seems out of character because the show took time for his growth. Daenerys, on the other hand, went from an altruistic hero into a psychopath in the range of just 2 episodes. D&D kept making an excuse that “it was setup since season 1 when Viserys died” except that Dany spent years after that NOT to be like her own mad father and brother and she was sane during the Long Night. And Jaime Lannister, his entire development was ruined by a single dialogue about how he didn’t give a shit about innocent civilians. GoT really did these amazing characters dirty. Glad that Tywin and Robb died when the show used to have a great writing.
You made me realize that they turned Baelish into the Dean of Community in the Conspiracy episode. "if you conspire with everyone, are you really conspiring or are you doing random shit?
I remember at the time this aired a lot of people (by which I mean /tv/) assumed the kingsmoot was a godawful 2016 election reference (Euron being Trump and Yara being Clinton)
But looking at the timeline of 6's production vs the timeline of the election it seems pretty dubious
If it is true it's definitely a sign of the writers starting to care more about signaling to future employers than about their award winning show
I mean they screwed up the Ironborn from the beginnin, aside from the fact that they aren't portrayed as the threat they are, they cut out too much at the beginning. Unlike season 1, during season 2 book 5 was out, so they knew that Victarion and Euron and Aeron were going to be important later and they still cut them, which lead to Yara becoming a mix of Vic, Aeron and Asha in the later seasons. They cut 2 pov characters out and had no plan on how to make that work later, because you can successfully cut and substitute things, but obviously not the way it happend here.
In contrast they didn't have the budget for Tyrion on the battlefield in season 1, so he got knocked out, but we have 2 other scenes with Tyrion fighting to substitute for that.
And while I think Vargo Hoat would have been a lot better than Locke: he was still written in a way that worked with the rest of the world and he wasn't an obvious insert by the showrunners.
The fact Yara took a number of his ships could’ve been so easily explained by some of the crowd either not liking the kinslaying or having served directly under her
I love watching this stuff as someone who has only read the books because I'm always so confused at how these characters could have possibly ended up where they are in the show.
Dude aren't you supposed to be fighting big mom atm?
I can only imagine how weird that must be hahahaha
All the wacky shit hasn’t made you curious enough to go watch it??
I agree there should have been more story with house Manderly. That would have given so many plotpoints, like how Jon and Sansa deal with Wyman who is super loyal for the Starksand thus Jon and SanSan have to think are they really worthy Stark name. There could have been plot for securing Wyman heir. So when heir is safe / or our heroes somehow save or make a deal for him Old Wyman would be safe to do some heroic sacrifise of his life.
He could do discount Freypie / siege of Wintefell plot where he would feign alligience for Boltons and end up turning on them. Or attacking Boltons to draw them south or just joining the battle.
That would together with young lady Mormont tell the story how deep the loyalty of North runs for Starks. And give chance for some great secondary charecters with Wyman and maybe his heir that could carry to next seasons. How cool it would be to have Wyman or Wylis to join scenes with making the King in the north, debating how Jon bended the knee and fighting the others. ( Great possibility to have more named charecters die in the battle.
The subtle Vikings reference at 43:00 is so beautiful
it's among my favourite jokes i've made
@Glidus Please please please please please please do videos on the utter desecration that is the TV series Wheel Of Time. I can't sum up that plot train-wreck better than by saying that it makes Benioff & Weiss's Season 8 look like a work of subtlety and genius. 😉
“here’s the thing” i laughed at that visual for far too long…send help
Goddamn it FUCK YES! I haven’t seen this whole video but the things you said about the faceless men and the many personal emotions shown in that plot is exactly what I’ve always thought! Thank you for this
I actually enjoyed the knife promotion in the beginning more than season 8 :3
Glidus made... one of these things.