@@MrSamPhoenix so.... You never played on pc back in the days, and never known the creation and the rise of a little enterprise.... Valve Steam. This IS global for the industry. Sony is just one of it. Do you buy cd/DVD of Adobe ? Windows ? Macos ? All softwares are demat since the global democratisation of internet.
As do they..🤑 Sony would certainly going to be enticed by the Apple Pay(ers). And given the ever more "premium" focus and for users ready to bite on that route, it would probably not be a problem.
Hardly they will do that. Apple Music on even the most basic student tier, have all the features of the more expensive ones like Dolby Atmos, Hi-Res Lossless, etc except for multiple plays. Same with Apple TV+, the most basic student tier have 4K, Dolby Vision, and Dolby Atmos and except multiple plays.
This is very plausible. I’ve been taking notice of their relationship since they started selling PS5 controllers in Apple stores (online and stores). Also, the recent pushes to port games over, DS1 springs to mind as that’s when I took it as a slow strategy. If this is true, it makes sense why Apple moved away from films as games are better IPS. I’d love to be able to play games on my MacBook and other Apple devices. I think this why Sony has been focusing on 4k 60fps for their streaming services and making a push into AI; my guess is that at some point they’ll experiment with dedicated silicone for gaming, like the M series chips utilising PSSR to help with porting games. I’m a complete novice, grist time commenting on this channel too so excuse me if this sounds like nonsense
You can technically play a decent amount of newer games if you use crossover with Cxpatcher running through steam. I’m currently playing black myth on my M2 Max laptop. A lot of newer games run but it’s best to have higher end Mac silicon to run smoothly.
You have 17 different launchers on your PC that all require a login, plus another half dozen tv/movie launchers and logins already...nobody gives a F about hypocrites pal. Go log into your gamepass, or your Ubisoft, or your EA, or your epic, or your steam, or your GoG launchers and zip it already
You have no idea how expensive game developers are. The advertisement budgets are actually scaled down compared to the previous generations since we no longer have any of the large expensive events such as E3, much of the marketing relies on social media as opposed to professional publications, etc.
What source did you use to get that info of 50%+ going to marketing, thanks? (Asking because I checked multiple graphs and diagrams all between 7% and 40% for marketing.)
I have money, I’m not cheap… but I am a console gamer I play on ps( tho I do have a pc also I just don’t game on it offten) I think you statement is DEAD on for pc gamers…. Most are broke children, or loser adults..
Well the way Sony handles the vertical stand for the PS5 Pro DOES remind me of Apple and its infamous monitor stand. I guess Sony DID already take some "inspiration" from Apple...
Paul (RedGamingTech) basically said that a game is expensive because of the assets. The coding does not cost so much, making all the animations, music, voice-acting, levels, that is what takes a lot of people working months to years. Having said that, gamedevelopers/publishers also have a lot of people working for them who don't add much value in my opinion but do increase the cost: translators, PR, marketing...
@peterjansen4826 Who would sell the game, make the advertisements, there is more to game dev than coding. You do have to SELL THE GAME! No matter the platform it costs to get new customers. New ads aren't free, even using the same old marketing material. Think in terms of Hollywood blockbuster scale. You may want to put some of these companies in your 401K.
Those people do add value to the game for the developers. Without them the game barely sells if at all. Ever run into an amazing game you never heard of before from a developer that doesn't exist anymore, They didn't have those 'low value people' and went bankrupt because they didn't sell enough copies of their amazing game.
@@Shatterglass23 When AAA gaming charges a subscription to play multiplayer, why the hell should I support that? Shill all you want but if they will not care about the relationship of the business to the user why should the user support them. They wont even let us own games anymore.
@@pipz420 it was free to play online on olayststi9n…Microsoft started that and you bitches supported that( idc if you play on pc or Xbox u support Microsoft). THEN Sony did it too cuz dumb fucks payed for it. It’s a moot point anyhow now of days for the last 8 or 9 years Sony and Microsoft have given you 2 or 3 FREE games a month with your “pay to play online” sub…. I got the dead space remake for free , and you get discounts on games with the sub..,. Does it suck you need it for SOME online games..yes, n but it’s Far from the bs it was in the ps3/ 360 gen… So stuff about it
I play Baldur's Gate 3 on my M1 Max at full settings, and I don't have any issues. People just have a false narrative established in their minds. Also, I have a gaming PC, however the CPU is needing to be replaced right after my GPU went out and I had to replace it.The GPU at the time was more expensive than the Mac Studio I bought....Prices have come down now, but no, Macs are no longer way more expensive than PCs at this point.
And they would be absolutely nothing wrong with that. You can always upgrade on your own schedule, just like most people don't purchase a new phone every year. Not to mention new PC parts being released all the time and nobody complains about that. At least that avoids the current situation where you're forced to buy severely outdated hardware if you're getting into the ecosystem later in the generation.
The difference is the hard cut off points on old consoles is easy and predictable. Either everything still works, or nothing does. On old phones it's a per game basis. Which in turn can be by OS version, or brand, model even. This is also somewhat the case on (Apple) PCs. On other PC OS, sure. It's mostly more of a soft cap for everything. "Ok, it still works, very very bad...". There are dank pits and sunshine spots for most things of course. But predicability and ease of use with both consoles and their games is still quite dependent on those generation shifts.
I know the story was about Sony and Apple, but I'm honestly more interested in the PSVR 3 rumors. I think it would be more ideal if the headset connected to the console and the handheld, rather than having extra hardware power built in. That would allow them to sell it at a lower price, which is important since the VR market is incredibly price-sensitive. Or they could do two SKUs, one of which has the hardware built in. Or have an add-on module that connects to the headset.
For some odd reason, I'm not surprised by this... They're literally the same company especially when you factor in the expensive price of their products...
reduce cost? Sony will never do that prices will be settled at around $700 - $800 usd. When PS7 comes out prices will go up again or settle at a high price without going down further.
@@Rhedox1 arm is a simplified licensed design. You can do your own or you can use your own design or you can mix. Regardless apple seem to have done well. If Sony did a tech exchange or something similar they can leverage what appears to be good skills from apple. Apple want the console market this is a other route for them. X86 conversely is expensive, also ironically AMD could still design it as well they use arm in some places.
Apple has the single worst history of game support of any company. Putting Playstation games on Mac isnt going to be a seismic shift in gaming. Especially with the super expensive under performing hardware that Mac is obsessed with putting out now.
They got 2 choices. 1 invest and make a bunch of remasters from the batch of games from 8-2 years ago. Or 2 invest and get the backwards compatibility + more older game emulation on all Apple and Sony platforms. The first one is the (ol reliable) method.
They already teamed up to make that 360° spacial video camera. Isn't there Sony components in the Vision Pro? It seems like this is to push headsets, which is cool. Especially since both companies push VR. Even better.
Honestly very sceptical about Vita 2, PSVR 3, etc. Sony doesn't have enough bandwidth to devote attention to more than one platform at a time, as we've seen with the current PSVR and Vita (which Sony effectively ran on autopilot after the first year or so). Nintendo has had more success with that in the past, but that was at the time when games were smaller and cheaper to develop, and now even they had to concentrate their efforts on one product at a time.
for a little while i was thinking Nintendo would strike a deal with apple and just release all there games on the apple store and make switch controller adapters for your phone cause the switch hardware is so old that i think most iphones from the last 4-6 years would run switch games no problem. or if Sony made a store on apple that sold ps1, ps2 and ps3 games for ios for like 5 dollars each and they worked they would make a killing. maybe they will make ai convert all these old games to run better on new hardware and do it cheaply so people can buy them instead of emulating them.
It has been on my mind for a while that Nintendo and now Xbox would bring their games to iPhone and/or high-end Android devices and the console would basically be the controller and a dock for extra power to play the games on a TV or monitor.
Hopefully it will at least be aluminium then. And in multiple colours already at launch. ;) Some games are sort of already €150 though. Or more even, unless settling for the base version they yoinked all content for the "Ûberultradeluxe Currently Mostly Complete Edition" from.🙄
I still don't understand how does 1 game take 7 plus years to make especially if you have studio's with over 500 workers. I know not all of those workers are working on that one project but like half of them are just to meet 7yrs it's insane. The craziest part about it is some of these games are sequels meaning they aren't even being build from the ground up it's more copy and paste. 👀 At this point the Sony fanbase just needs to sit back and watch this corporation burn because they obviously don't care about making good games anymore. 🤷🏼♂ 👀
Why? According to every Playstation centric channel the company is doing just fine on its own. Every AAA banger sells more than enough per title to stomp out every “ competitor “ and the PS5 is the second coming.
That would be the single worst alliance for gaming I'd ever see. I get you're a nerd like the rest of us, but I can't shake off that you're either a Sony or Mac fanboy, and that you can't see either side's horrid history of dicking around with multiple industries, and their customers.
I don't really see what Sony would gain by bringing their games to Apple's platforms... We've already seen the paltry numbers AC Mirage, RE4 and Death Stranding have done on iOS. What's the point in porting more games for them to inevitably just also fail? And I don't see the point of porting to Macs either. It's not exactly a large gaming sector. I also highly doubt Sony sees Windows as competition. If they did, they wouldn't be releasing their games on there in the first place. I also *really* doubt Microsoft would care about whether or not Sony releases their games on Windows - it's realistically not going to make any perceptible difference in Windows' market share whatsoever. There's 0 chance Sony could use that as any kind of leverage on Microsoft I could see Apple and Sony collaborating on some kind of hardware potentially, like you mention later on in the video. Although for the handheld, I suspect Sony would go with AMD and try to get full PS4 Backwards Compatibility, as I doubt Sony really wants an extra piece of hardware they have to specifically develop for. I don't really see a PSVR 3 headset happening either, and if it did, I certainly don't see a handheld with the same chipset happening. There's just no point in sharing the same hardware - the games still have to be developed entirely separately for the two platforms. The controls and performance requirements are completely different for the two after all, so what's the point of sharing the same hardware if you can't share software anyway? Unless it's some kind of situation where you clip the handheld into some goggles to turn it into a VR headset? If there's anything going on between Sony and Apple, I suspect it's going to be relatively low-key, whether it's hardware or software. Might even just be that Sony's working on some mobile games and is talking to Apple about getting a better revenue split or something
Hmmmm.. With apples ability to emulate , quite reasonably , X86 code on their ARM architecture..... Could it be possible for Apple (using ip) with TSMC to manufacture a SOC for Sony?
A standalone PSVR 3 would be awesome and if you could plug it in or wirelessly stream VR games from your PS6 that would be even better. Consoles and PC (flat games) don't excite me anymore but anything VR does 🎉😊
I could honestly see that taking off if they had a more consumer friendly price. I'm actually surprised standalone VR headsets don't play standard flatscreen games natively (unless to sideload or transfer files).
How true and close is this alliance? I can connect my Apple AirPod pros to my switch but not to my ps4 or ps5. Or has there been recent changes/updates to this?
@@moogish Yeah.. that's one definition. While the PS4 was a good development in many ways, it was also when a lot of the not so great things started. Including the eroding support for peripherals. Going for more of an Apple "eco system" already then I suppose. PS Vita also still had the capabilities to use (almost) any bluetooth phones. PS Portal.. well. 😺
Thank you for the info. Now that I think of it, yea the whole ecosystem thing makes sense. I figured PlayStation just wanted peps to buy into their own headsets.
This is awesome and meant to be as apple and Sony have been working together for years since the iPhone 4s and it’s so exciting. Sony and apple are two companies with great aesthetics and branding. Money yes that all they care about but it’s the future.
I hate apples business plan and anti-consumer practices. I have owned an iPhone since day one but that's it. I have also gamed on PC for years, but I am a PS fanboy at heart since my childhood. if this happens, I will give up on Sony for gaming. Apple does not care about the customer and their customers do not care about overpaying for their products. They deserve each other.
Apple and Sony can say what they want, yet ultimately it's down to the dev studios and our game engines. Most games don't come to Apple iOS because Apple won't work openly with engine companies for there build sdk, if we program and build on Windows it won't build for ios. It will for android, xbox, unix, sony, meta, amazon, yet not ios, unless I build from a mac. It becomes a choice of time, money and technical debt.
Sony PlayStation has had literally zero innovation in terms of software this generation..its been a playing it safe and milking the success of the PS4 generation with safe remaster's and sequels that already had their foundations made.....they're getting away with it because Xbox/Microsoft lacks any competition for them
So Sony will release a psvr3... I'm not sure about that. They practically abandoned their €600 Psvr2 and yet they expect we will buy the sucessor for probably even more money ( inflation and stuff). Yeah... not gonna happen.
Agree...when I heard this comment I just switched off. I think Sony was too far into development to pull out of a PSVR2, and so launched it with minimal commitment and is wholly reliant on third party (much like PS5 also)...seeing a PSVR3 is wishful thinking and its not something I would look to buy (have both PSVR and PSVR2)
They have already made tons of greedy, Apple-like moves this generation, so this would make sense. Get ready for a 1 thousand dollars PlayStation 6. *Controller, and cables sold separately*
Fek Apple. But you know what, it makes sense that Apple would want this if they are actually trying to get gaming on their platform. The Xbox has always been about having a Windows stranglehold on computer gaming.
I just wish apple and steam could work something out so folks with mchip Mac’s can game lol but if I can play my ps4/ps5 games with just my Mac that’s definitely a game changer
this would be huge!!!! smart for both companies to work very close together.... except for apples pay thru the nose for everything routine.... i can see how this will also make sony worse..... because apple is as much of a tyrant as nintendo is.... sony used to be honestly the best company ever. idk i have mixed emotions about it. instantly im excited, but then after a second i realize that its just going to make things worse.... you know how every company is now days..... and how we cant afford shit now days.
exciting as this is. i refuse to jump back in to apples system. macs are pretty much iphones now. every year something new. every update slows down the previous gen
i will watch the video in another time but for a long time i am afraid of apple entering the gaming industry i think it will improve yes but it will be expensive maybe let me read your thoughts or in the mean time maybe it's good because no competition between PS and XBOX and this is bad.
Sony chatting with apple is a way for them to bypass Steams TOS where you can not sell games for less elsewhere since apple is not a PC it is it's own systems. That said Goodluck keeping up on OS compatibility... or maybe that is the point after so many os updates you no longer access to your game anymore. Lots of apple apps do this and loos support after 6 to 8 years.
To be fair, they also tried to support and bring in paid games that rivaled gaming handhelds (PSP and 3DS) more than a decade ago. Infinity Blade was a big deal back then. They have also tried with Apple Arcade and now Console games being ported to iOS. Time and time again, the general audience chooses F2P. I remember it very fondly. I think the "Lite" editions of paid apps were the best implementation, but even those didn't make a dent. I remember having the 2012 iPod Touch. There were so many good games for it.
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Sony flirting with Apple is definitely not a good thing...
Sony's come to bed eyes, as it pats the bed.
Macintoshes have had Sony floppy drives all the way back in the mid-1980's They're old pals.
If this gets more games on the MacOS platform, I see this as a good thing.
Sony flirting with removing physical media 💿 isn’t a good thing
@@MrSamPhoenix so.... You never played on pc back in the days, and never known the creation and the rise of a little enterprise.... Valve Steam.
This IS global for the industry. Sony is just one of it.
Do you buy cd/DVD of Adobe ? Windows ? Macos ? All softwares are demat since the global democratisation of internet.
Apple and Sony? All I see is signs, all I see is dollar signs.😅
As do they..🤑
Sony would certainly going to be enticed by the Apple Pay(ers). And given the ever more "premium" focus and for users ready to bite on that route, it would probably not be a problem.
last thing we need is Apple in gaming! 1080p free, pay for 1440p , pay for sony/apple special hdmi cable, pay for using haptic 2.0....
Pay for the stand and disc drive.. oh wait sony already did that 😂 Apple will just increase the prices and call it innovative 🤡
Dumb take
Do you have any past evidence of this?
Hardly they will do that. Apple Music on even the most basic student tier, have all the features of the more expensive ones like Dolby Atmos, Hi-Res Lossless, etc except for multiple plays.
Same with Apple TV+, the most basic student tier have 4K, Dolby Vision, and Dolby Atmos and except multiple plays.
@@tristanpau1p yeah they are talking out of their ass 🤣
I really dislike long intros in videos that tell me something I already know. Why don't these TH-camrs get to the point from the beginning?
the more time they have you watching their video, the more money they make
This is very plausible. I’ve been taking notice of their relationship since they started selling PS5 controllers in Apple stores (online and stores). Also, the recent pushes to port games over, DS1 springs to mind as that’s when I took it as a slow strategy. If this is true, it makes sense why Apple moved away from films as games are better IPS. I’d love to be able to play games on my MacBook and other Apple devices. I think this why Sony has been focusing on 4k 60fps for their streaming services and making a push into AI; my guess is that at some point they’ll experiment with dedicated silicone for gaming, like the M series chips utilising PSSR to help with porting games. I’m a complete novice, grist time commenting on this channel too so excuse me if this sounds like nonsense
You can technically play a decent amount of newer games if you use crossover with Cxpatcher running through steam.
I’m currently playing black myth on my M2 Max laptop.
A lot of newer games run but it’s best to have higher end Mac silicon to run smoothly.
Great.... now we can still login to 2 accounts to play a game.
You not used to pc gaming aren't you ?
Exactly. Two overbearing companies being overbearing together lol.
You have 17 different launchers on your PC that all require a login, plus another half dozen tv/movie launchers and logins already...nobody gives a F about hypocrites pal.
Go log into your gamepass, or your Ubisoft, or your EA, or your epic, or your steam, or your GoG launchers and zip it already
Sony and Apple join Duopoloy.
Oh no, how ever will you survive? 😱
Optimization is everything
Apple Arcade doesn't have a lot of AAA titles, so adding a few PS4 classics would profit both companies with negligible downside.
That will be a good move.
PlayStation games are on PC Windows, why not to bring them on MacOS/iOS Apple ecosystem ?
The most of the budget for a game, 50%+ is not for developers, artists and so on it is just for marketing and advertising!!!
You have no idea how expensive game developers are. The advertisement budgets are actually scaled down compared to the previous generations since we no longer have any of the large expensive events such as E3, much of the marketing relies on social media as opposed to professional publications, etc.
What source did you use to get that info of 50%+ going to marketing, thanks?
(Asking because I checked multiple graphs and diagrams all between 7% and 40% for marketing.)
Get ready to pay 600$ for fifa. also released once a year.
🤦 exaggerate a little more would ya
I never played it, I never will. 😆
That’s Fifa Max, you will still be able to play Fifa Pro for just 499,99.
Did you even watch the video?
@@AnEyeRacky it amazes me how stuck up their own asses apple fanbois are! have a sense of humor 😘
Not really. Gamers = Cheap, Apple = Expensive. If we all had lots of money, we'd go outside more often.
I have money, I’m not cheap… but I am a console gamer I play on ps( tho I do have a pc also I just don’t game on it offten)
I think you statement is DEAD on for pc gamers…. Most are broke children, or loser adults..
@@aaronclay4665…What??
Well the way Sony handles the vertical stand for the PS5 Pro DOES remind me of Apple and its infamous monitor stand. I guess Sony DID already take some "inspiration" from Apple...
Now im rooting for xbox. These 2 companies will create a duopoly in gaming.
Xbox is dead.
Xbox is cooked and there’s no duopoly when the majority of gamers are shared between consoles and PC gamers.
Xbox plus steam buyout imminent
this will create as much of a duopoly as much as xbox and pc gaming is a duopoly
Nintendo: "Sure"
Paul (RedGamingTech) basically said that a game is expensive because of the assets. The coding does not cost so much, making all the animations, music, voice-acting, levels, that is what takes a lot of people working months to years. Having said that, gamedevelopers/publishers also have a lot of people working for them who don't add much value in my opinion but do increase the cost: translators, PR, marketing...
Check it again. He mentioned all those things were expensive.
Check at 0:50
@peterjansen4826 Who would sell the game, make the advertisements, there is more to game dev than coding. You do have to SELL THE GAME! No matter the platform it costs to get new customers. New ads aren't free, even using the same old marketing material. Think in terms of Hollywood blockbuster scale. You may want to put some of these companies in your 401K.
Those people do add value to the game for the developers. Without them the game barely sells if at all. Ever run into an amazing game you never heard of before from a developer that doesn't exist anymore, They didn't have those 'low value people' and went bankrupt because they didn't sell enough copies of their amazing game.
@@PurpleWarlock You misunderstand, I summarized a lot of what he said with one word: the ASSETS being expensive. All of what he mentioned are assets.
Paul, the king of deviating from the original topic and the actual new information.
I only got the IPad bc iv been waiting soo long for OLED, i honestly could care less about the M4 inside
I wait for PS5 emulators than to pay for Sony&Apple collab. F that!
So you're just gonna steal then? If you don't like how they do things then just stay away from their ecosystems. Don't be a parasite.
Wow another cheap piece of Sh--- oh you have Forza in your name...say no more. Another XB guy. You don't support gaming anymore anyway 😊
@@Shatterglass23LMFAOOO!!! Facts. 💯😂😂😂
@@Shatterglass23 When AAA gaming charges a subscription to play multiplayer, why the hell should I support that? Shill all you want but if they will not care about the relationship of the business to the user why should the user support them. They wont even let us own games anymore.
@@pipz420 it was free to play online on olayststi9n…Microsoft started that and you bitches supported that( idc if you play on pc or Xbox u support Microsoft). THEN Sony did it too cuz dumb fucks payed for it.
It’s a moot point anyhow now of days for the last 8 or 9 years Sony and Microsoft have given you 2 or 3 FREE games a month with your “pay to play online” sub…. I got the dead space remake for free , and you get discounts on games with the sub..,.
Does it suck you need it for SOME online games..yes, n but it’s Far from the bs it was in the ps3/ 360 gen…
So stuff about it
I play Baldur's Gate 3 on my M1 Max at full settings, and I don't have any issues. People just have a false narrative established in their minds. Also, I have a gaming PC, however the CPU is needing to be replaced right after my GPU went out and I had to replace it.The GPU at the time was more expensive than the Mac Studio I bought....Prices have come down now, but no, Macs are no longer way more expensive than PCs at this point.
Truth
This especially once the M4 line arrives
Very true. And Amazon is selling Macs at great discounts
How much did you pay for that junk?
@@GForceIntel unfortunately for you it’s not junk
So Horizon Zero Dawn port shown off at a WWDC in two years
video begins at 5:00
Great video Paul but I didn’t see Techaddicts info in the description. FYI. 10:24
This is a great marriage 😂
Why can’t games run on the IPad with controllers than can attach on the side of it
New PS console every year for an absolute mountrousity amount of money.....yay
OS updates for 5.
And they would be absolutely nothing wrong with that. You can always upgrade on your own schedule, just like most people don't purchase a new phone every year. Not to mention new PC parts being released all the time and nobody complains about that. At least that avoids the current situation where you're forced to buy severely outdated hardware if you're getting into the ecosystem later in the generation.
The difference is the hard cut off points on old consoles is easy and predictable. Either everything still works, or nothing does. On old phones it's a per game basis. Which in turn can be by OS version, or brand, model even. This is also somewhat the case on (Apple) PCs.
On other PC OS, sure. It's mostly more of a soft cap for everything. "Ok, it still works, very very bad...".
There are dank pits and sunshine spots for most things of course. But predicability and ease of use with both consoles and their games is still quite dependent on those generation shifts.
I know the story was about Sony and Apple, but I'm honestly more interested in the PSVR 3 rumors. I think it would be more ideal if the headset connected to the console and the handheld, rather than having extra hardware power built in. That would allow them to sell it at a lower price, which is important since the VR market is incredibly price-sensitive.
Or they could do two SKUs, one of which has the hardware built in. Or have an add-on module that connects to the headset.
For some odd reason, I'm not surprised by this... They're literally the same company especially when you factor in the expensive price of their products...
I think the biggest alliance in gaming would be Apple x Valve x Sony
Apple Metal API is very interesting and proper handshake will certainly benefit both Apple and Sony.
Ps6 using ARM? One good way to reduce costs. Maybe even cross license with Apple designed silicon?
reduce cost? Sony will never do that prices will be settled at around $700 - $800 usd. When PS7 comes out prices will go up again or settle at a high price without going down further.
@@bankaimaster999 He said reduce costs, not reduce price.
How exactly would that reduce costs...?
@@Rhedox1 arm is a simplified licensed design. You can do your own or you can use your own design or you can mix. Regardless apple seem to have done well. If Sony did a tech exchange or something similar they can leverage what appears to be good skills from apple. Apple want the console market this is a other route for them. X86 conversely is expensive, also ironically AMD could still design it as well they use arm in some places.
If this gets Destiny 2 on my Mac, then I'm fine with it!
Apple has the single worst history of game support of any company. Putting Playstation games on Mac isnt going to be a seismic shift in gaming. Especially with the super expensive under performing hardware that Mac is obsessed with putting out now.
Still haven't gotten legend of dragoon prequel or native backwards compatibility for all generations
Sony is already pricing their stuff as they are Apple, so I’m sure Apple and Sony will have a good relationship.
They got 2 choices. 1 invest and make a bunch of remasters from the batch of games from 8-2 years ago. Or 2 invest and get the backwards compatibility + more older game emulation on all Apple and Sony platforms. The first one is the (ol reliable) method.
I think Sony wants to monetize backwards compatibility.
They already teamed up to make that 360° spacial video camera. Isn't there Sony components in the Vision Pro? It seems like this is to push headsets, which is cool. Especially since both companies push VR. Even better.
Honestly very sceptical about Vita 2, PSVR 3, etc. Sony doesn't have enough bandwidth to devote attention to more than one platform at a time, as we've seen with the current PSVR and Vita (which Sony effectively ran on autopilot after the first year or so). Nintendo has had more success with that in the past, but that was at the time when games were smaller and cheaper to develop, and now even they had to concentrate their efforts on one product at a time.
AppleStation 6 Pro Max Ultra Studio will be our biggest upgrade yet
Starting price of 64GB model will be $1800 this july
Apple has been angling to buy Sony for years and Sony’s been anted to be sold to Apple for years.
Bro no. This alliance is an unholy one. This would be like EA and Ubisoft forming an alliance.
for a little while i was thinking Nintendo would strike a deal with apple and just release all there games on the apple store and make switch controller adapters for your phone cause the switch hardware is so old that i think most iphones from the last 4-6 years would run switch games no problem. or if Sony made a store on apple that sold ps1, ps2 and ps3 games for ios for like 5 dollars each and they worked they would make a killing. maybe they will make ai convert all these old games to run better on new hardware and do it cheaply so people can buy them instead of emulating them.
It has been on my mind for a while that Nintendo and now Xbox would bring their games to iPhone and/or high-end Android devices and the console would basically be the controller and a dock for extra power to play the games on a TV or monitor.
Nintendo is too conservative for that.
Yessir make it happen. Microsoft has too much of a monopoly on pc gaming.
An apple handheld would blow every single other handheld out of the water in terms of battery and performance would just need the library of games
Just make an official remote play app for Apple TV
Ps6 is gonna be 1600€ and games 150€
Hopefully it will at least be aluminium then. And in multiple colours already at launch. ;)
Some games are sort of already €150 though. Or more even, unless settling for the base version they yoinked all content for the "Ûberultradeluxe Currently Mostly Complete Edition" from.🙄
I really wouldn't mind $1600 for a properly high end system.
No they won't 😂😂😂
@@boshi9 I mean at this point just buy a pc… I’m not paying 1600€ for a console , even if it has good tech.
I still don't understand how does 1 game take 7 plus years to make especially if you have studio's with over 500 workers. I know not all of those workers are working on that one project but like half of them are just to meet 7yrs it's insane. The craziest part about it is some of these games are sequels meaning they aren't even being build from the ground up it's more copy and paste. 👀 At this point the Sony fanbase just needs to sit back and watch this corporation burn because they obviously don't care about making good games anymore. 🤷🏼♂ 👀
Selling Windows 10 keys when support for it ends in a year? Bro....
With Apple money Sony would definitely delete Microsoft from gaming and I’m all for it
We need less Apple not more Apple.
Nintendo: Hey apple leave my ex alone.
Why?
According to every Playstation centric channel the company is doing just fine on its own.
Every AAA banger sells more than enough per title to stomp out every “ competitor “ and the PS5 is the second coming.
Why does TH-camrs put a question mark in every video?
I think DXVK layer on metal will be a game changer for Mac Arm Hardware then what sony and apple is cooking.
That would be the single worst alliance for gaming I'd ever see.
I get you're a nerd like the rest of us, but I can't shake off that you're either a Sony or Mac fanboy, and that you can't see either side's horrid history of dicking around with multiple industries, and their customers.
I don't really see what Sony would gain by bringing their games to Apple's platforms... We've already seen the paltry numbers AC Mirage, RE4 and Death Stranding have done on iOS. What's the point in porting more games for them to inevitably just also fail? And I don't see the point of porting to Macs either. It's not exactly a large gaming sector. I also highly doubt Sony sees Windows as competition. If they did, they wouldn't be releasing their games on there in the first place. I also *really* doubt Microsoft would care about whether or not Sony releases their games on Windows - it's realistically not going to make any perceptible difference in Windows' market share whatsoever. There's 0 chance Sony could use that as any kind of leverage on Microsoft
I could see Apple and Sony collaborating on some kind of hardware potentially, like you mention later on in the video. Although for the handheld, I suspect Sony would go with AMD and try to get full PS4 Backwards Compatibility, as I doubt Sony really wants an extra piece of hardware they have to specifically develop for. I don't really see a PSVR 3 headset happening either, and if it did, I certainly don't see a handheld with the same chipset happening. There's just no point in sharing the same hardware - the games still have to be developed entirely separately for the two platforms. The controls and performance requirements are completely different for the two after all, so what's the point of sharing the same hardware if you can't share software anyway? Unless it's some kind of situation where you clip the handheld into some goggles to turn it into a VR headset?
If there's anything going on between Sony and Apple, I suspect it's going to be relatively low-key, whether it's hardware or software. Might even just be that Sony's working on some mobile games and is talking to Apple about getting a better revenue split or something
Hmmmm.. With apples ability to emulate , quite reasonably , X86 code on their ARM architecture..... Could it be possible for Apple (using ip) with TSMC to manufacture a SOC for Sony?
And I thought AMD was their best partner, guess not, no one wants Apple interfering with gaming..
A standalone PSVR 3 would be awesome and if you could plug it in or wirelessly stream VR games from your PS6 that would be even better. Consoles and PC (flat games) don't excite me anymore but anything VR does 🎉😊
I’m not a Sony fan, but a Sony and Apple alliance would be bad for gaming and as an Apple user, even though I don’t want it.
Probably gearing up for the apple vision gaming
I could honestly see that taking off if they had a more consumer friendly price. I'm actually surprised standalone VR headsets don't play standard flatscreen games natively (unless to sideload or transfer files).
Last Playstation will be my ps5 if they join with apple
Bye!🤡
Is this what u call an alliance ? Apple trying to drag more games on its Os is not new, that’s not what I call an alliance.
How true and close is this alliance? I can connect my Apple AirPod pros to my switch but not to my ps4 or ps5. Or has there been recent changes/updates to this?
No. But you could probably connect them to a PS3.
@@AltCutTV interesting
@@moogish Yeah.. that's one definition.
While the PS4 was a good development in many ways, it was also when a lot of the not so great things started. Including the eroding support for peripherals. Going for more of an Apple "eco system" already then I suppose.
PS Vita also still had the capabilities to use (almost) any bluetooth phones. PS Portal.. well. 😺
Thank you for the info. Now that I think of it, yea the whole ecosystem thing makes sense. I figured PlayStation just wanted peps to buy into their own headsets.
This is awesome and meant to be as apple and Sony have been working together for years since the iPhone 4s and it’s so exciting. Sony and apple are two companies with great aesthetics and branding. Money yes that all they care about but it’s the future.
I hope so. my two favorite companies 💯💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I hate apples business plan and anti-consumer practices. I have owned an iPhone since day one but that's it. I have also gamed on PC for years, but I am a PS fanboy at heart since my childhood. if this happens, I will give up on Sony for gaming. Apple does not care about the customer and their customers do not care about overpaying for their products. They deserve each other.
Bye!🤡
Apple and Sony can say what they want, yet ultimately it's down to the dev studios and our game engines. Most games don't come to Apple iOS because Apple won't work openly with engine companies for there build sdk, if we program and build on Windows it won't build for ios. It will for android, xbox, unix, sony, meta, amazon, yet not ios, unless I build from a mac. It becomes a choice of time, money and technical debt.
Get ready for PlayStation to have yearly console refresh releases at 600+ dollars lmao
AI will reduce today’s big game developer teams.
Great, now that PS5 stand gonna cost 3000$ instead of 30
o wait for special PlayStation hdmi cable...sold separately for 100 euro/dollar
Is Sony happy with the hardware coming from AMD? Might they be looking at Apple silicon as a backup alternative to AMD?
Or an alternative for a portable device (power efficiency with low consomption energy battery)......... 😎
2 companies that think they are the only ones that know how to do anything teaming up? what could go........right?
Hear he, hear he, the end of gaming on a console 😢
Sony PlayStation has had literally zero innovation in terms of software this generation..its been a playing it safe and milking the success of the PS4 generation with safe remaster's and sequels that already had their foundations made.....they're getting away with it because Xbox/Microsoft lacks any competition for them
Hahaha! Let me guess, we’ll probably have to pay to access our savegames😂
Remember when Nintendo and Sony was supposed to work together?
I sure hope history doesn't repeat itself😅😅😅
That would be crazy! 🤪
I wouldn't mind them porting older games to apple. Sony can't go day and date on any other platforms. Look at what happened with Xbox
So Sony will release a psvr3... I'm not sure about that. They practically abandoned their €600 Psvr2 and yet they expect we will buy the sucessor for probably even more money ( inflation and stuff). Yeah... not gonna happen.
Agree...when I heard this comment I just switched off. I think Sony was too far into development to pull out of a PSVR2, and so launched it with minimal commitment and is wholly reliant on third party (much like PS5 also)...seeing a PSVR3 is wishful thinking and its not something I would look to buy (have both PSVR and PSVR2)
Would Sony use Apple Silicon at some point in the future ? 🤔
Absolutely a waste of time for Sony everybody knows that if you own a mac you are definitely not a gamer
That why there are consoles.
5 minutes to the to the point is simply cruel.
They have already made tons of greedy, Apple-like moves this generation, so this would make sense.
Get ready for a 1 thousand dollars PlayStation 6.
*Controller, and cables sold separately*
My M2 iPad might run some decent games. Can’t wait
lol that wasn’t RE4Remake… 🤨
Thats the last company i want sony to work with or copy.
Fek Apple. But you know what, it makes sense that Apple would want this if they are actually trying to get gaming on their platform. The Xbox has always been about having a Windows stranglehold on computer gaming.
I always thought apple woudl prefer to work with nintendo
It’s 7:21 AM here.
You are an hour ahead of me
I just wish apple and steam could work something out so folks with mchip Mac’s can game lol but if I can play my ps4/ps5 games with just my Mac that’s definitely a game changer
This has become quite the playstation channel
Source: people I know.
this would be huge!!!! smart for both companies to work very close together.... except for apples pay thru the nose for everything routine.... i can see how this will also make sony worse..... because apple is as much of a tyrant as nintendo is.... sony used to be honestly the best company ever. idk i have mixed emotions about it. instantly im excited, but then after a second i realize that its just going to make things worse.... you know how every company is now days..... and how we cant afford shit now days.
Smh this is why I got the Iphone 16 pro max its literally a console in my hand
exciting as this is. i refuse to jump back in to apples system. macs are pretty much iphones now. every year something new. every update slows down the previous gen
PS5 Pro pre-ordered ❤
Don't you guys have phones!?!?
i will watch the video in another time but for a long time i am afraid of apple entering the gaming industry
i think it will improve yes but it will be expensive maybe
let me read your thoughts
or in the mean time maybe it's good because no competition between PS and XBOX and this is bad.
Both rinse their customer base for all their worth ....
Interesting
Sony chatting with apple is a way for them to bypass Steams TOS where you can not sell games for less elsewhere since apple is not a PC it is it's own systems. That said Goodluck keeping up on OS compatibility... or maybe that is the point after so many os updates you no longer access to your game anymore. Lots of apple apps do this and loos support after 6 to 8 years.
That's only on mobile, and only really happened when they switched from 32 to 64bit.
Apple brought in-app purchases with the iphone. If this ever happened I'd be done with games. Barely play them now.
There sort of were in app purchases already back on PS3 though. Even if it technically used assets from the system store.
To be fair, they also tried to support and bring in paid games that rivaled gaming handhelds (PSP and 3DS) more than a decade ago. Infinity Blade was a big deal back then. They have also tried with Apple Arcade and now Console games being ported to iOS. Time and time again, the general audience chooses F2P. I remember it very fondly. I think the "Lite" editions of paid apps were the best implementation, but even those didn't make a dent. I remember having the 2012 iPod Touch. There were so many good games for it.