Also, a Saab 340 flies at roughly half the speed of a jet, so it takes longer to reach the destination and spends more time burning fuel. Even if it carried 70 seats, it would probably burn less fuel than a jet, but not 60% less. I'd like to see a fuel consumption comparison between the Saab 340 and an ERJ-140, for example, which is a jet with similar capacity - but stating the total consumption for the same *distance,* not time. My guesstimate would be 20-30% less fuel for the Saab. Still, because the jet is faster, it can also do more revenue flights per day, and so on - there are many factors to consider, and it isn't easy to say which is more economical or profitable for an airline.
For short routes, turboprops are far superior ! 1 Hour flights, CRJ compared to ATR 72-500/600. ATR is about 600 Kg/h and the CRJ is about 1400 kg/h, but can carry as many passengers. But for routes longer than 1-2 hours, jets are a better choice, since you can get one more rotation in per day, with the time you you've earned during cruise.
a typical wet Florida takeoff....That back row would make a GREAT sleeping spot...SILVER is Getting a fleet of NEW ATR42-600's, they also fly into PNS........Did you get your feet WET....haha......great job Quintin
I used to fly this plane pretty frequently back when it was N427XJ flying for Mesaba/Northwest Airlink in the Midwest out of Detroit and Minneapolis. Thanks for the video- the Saab has an extremely unique, dynamic sound when taxiing and you captured it perfectly.
They did, but it wasn't ever painted in the Delta livery like some Saabs were as far as I can tell. The merger was completed in 2008, and the plane was stored in 2010 according to airfleets, so for 2 years it flew as Delta Connection, albeit still in the NW scheme.
omg. I thought the exact same thing. I used to fly NW out of a small airport with Mesaba operated Saab prop planes (NW Airlink). Haven't heard that sound in years and years.
I like flying into EYW. Simple little airport. Did you notice the white Cubana AN-24 at the Southern end of the airport out your 340B window? It's just inside the airport fence. It's a hijack from the '80s or '90s that we never returned to Cuba (in contravention of international law!).
Here ya go. This is just a raw cut & paste from several different entries on a guy's blog regarding the Cubana plane: _And there is enough room to leave this old hijacked Cuban airliner rotting in the back lot. A Cuban living in Miami won a rather peculiar lawsuit against the Cuban government and was awarded the plane as damage compensation for the monies ostensibly owed by the embargoed Cuban government. It seemed like a violation of international law which requires hijacked planes to be returned but the ruling did no one any good and here it sits years later:_ _Then there's this sad old pile rotting in the back lot of the airport. It was hijacked to Key West on an internal flight in Cuba and instead of returning the plane as is normally done a judge ruled it was to be handed over to a Miami family who were done wrong by Fidel Castro as I recall. Naturally they could do nothing with the plane which was never returned, never flown never used again. Here it sits nominal reparations in violation of international law. Our relations with Cuba are so weird._ _On our way out driving down Government Road past the airport we saw the old hijacked Cuban airplane still sitting there rotting slowly. It's part of the embargo madness that planes flown to the US get awarded to a Cuban family that won a one-sided lawsuit against the Cuban government. So instead of obeying international law and returning the plane it gets to sit here and pay off a phantom debt. Even the Citizen newspaper has finally come out in favor of ending the embargo. Might as well make the damned thing a homeless shelter. At least it would serve a purpose!_
I like EYW! Most airports are sleek, slick, ultra-modern..... antiseptic. EWY is the opposite, very rough around the edges, I particularly the original 1950ish terminal as it is my favourite, it has a charm that that takes me back to my youth. While I hope they keep it like it is, I doubt they will.
Yeah I love EWY too... besides the fact that the boarding area is a crowded disaster waiting to happen. If they were to just renovate that, along with allowing the people de-boarding a chance to get back to the gate area without going through security again.
Kalan Hammond-Rota I see those all the time, Pacific coastal makes travel in bc easy as pie. The downside is I've noticed they look inside your luggage alot
When I lived in Ithaca NY from 1991 thru 2002, I flew out of Ithaca Tompkins regional airport with US Air, which later became US Airways, on various regional turboprop airliners. I flew on the turboprops to New York LaGurardia, Philly, and Pitsburgh, where I would get a connecting mainline jet flight to my my final destination, my hometown of Charlotte NC for Christmas etc. The turboprop airliners included the Beechcraft 1900 C and D models, Jetstream 31, Shorts 360, and my favorite of those, the DeHaviland Dash-8 100 series. The Dash 8 cabin was was most like that of a mainline jet, but yet the Dash-8 was still a turboprop. Unlike most of the public, I personally like turboprop airliners better than conventional fan jet aircraft. For one thing, the turboprop engines burn less jet fuel than a conventional fan jet, because 90 percent of the thrust comes from the props, while the jet exhaust adds a 10 percent extra thrust. A conventional fan jet can fly a bit faster and at up to 40,000 feet, but relies more on the exhaust for propulsion, which eats up fuel. The fan in the front of the conventional jet engine adds only maybe 20 percent of additional thrust. Asides from the fuel economy, I personally enjoy seeing the props spin, and I also enjoy the sound that the props make. In full idle and taxiing, they make your basic "Box Fan" sound. In takeoff and inflight, they make a low pitched drone like the wings of a bumblebee. Takeoffs are more exhilarating in turboprops, when the props are revved up to 1,500 RPM as they begin the takeoff roll. Once airborne, the landing gear is retracted into the nausels, and the props are spooled down to about 1,200 RPM. During the cruise portion of the flight, the props are probably rotated at 1,000 RPM.
tonight's Q re-view is one of my favs. the jet blue livery at 12:20 is nice. hanging out on the bench during a layover is sweet, those shoes are dope (i need a pair) but the best part is qman/s weather report after getting off the plane lol. thanks for sharing qman!!!
RIP Saab and this native Swede thanks you. I drove a Saab 93 for many years and, let me tell you, that car had some SERIOUS HORSE POWER!! It was a turbo and, yes, I got a speeding ticket.
+QFS Aviation I believe it's 9L and 27R that have that wild slope. When I was an instructor and we got into FLL for a touch and go my student just floated for 1000 feet. At that point I just said go missed haha but it's a decent location
Not a fan of this one! That engine cover looks like it hasn't had a re-spray in 20 years, plane looks old overall, and it's sounds almost unbearably loud.
The 60% less fuel statement is an obvious one but it is specifically to state that the Saab is more economical and has less of an environmental footprint vs a 70 seater jet that may be used on the same routes.
Let's take a look at that fuel consumption claim. Using round numbers for easy math, let's say it takes a jet 1000 gallons to move 70 seats 500 miles. The 340 moves 34 seats only 250 miles in one hour at 60% less fuel, or 400 gallons. To move 34 seats 500 miles takes 800 gallons or 23.53 gallons per seat. The jet uses 14.29 gallons per seat. The jet wins!
Did u hear of peidmont airlines retiring it's last Dash 8s. I'm so sad because I feel like Americans are too afraid of turboprops but you are a brave dude
Thanks! Honestly, I dislike the ATR more than any other aircraft in the sky. It seems like every other week I will see one crashed on the news. The chances of me ever stepping on one are lower than 1%.
Yeah I wish I could have the opportunity to fly it. Unfortunately the only US airline that has it is PenAir. The aircraft is operated in Alaska from like Dillingham to Anchorage.
QFS: I wish I could fly the 2000 with PenAir. Me: checking out your video a year ago. Congrats, QFS. Both 340 and 2000 needed to be in your repertoire for sure.👍👍
+QFS Aviation Great Video ! I would love to see more of these videos! Also what airplane app was that that? it looked very cool ! Have a Great Day ! Charlie F
So do they pull back on the throttle to the verge of it going in reverse feather? Or do they pull back on the two feather levers to a neutral position? I'm not sure how turboprops work and that's why I'm asking.
HolaSoyAlejandro im not in high school im in middle school i go to a school called broward academy in davie that is 2 minutes away from the fort lauderdale airport
"60% less fuel per hour than a 70-seat jet."
Yeah, no wonder. The SAAB only has 34 seats.
I know right 😂
Also, a Saab 340 flies at roughly half the speed of a jet, so it takes longer to reach the destination and spends more time burning fuel. Even if it carried 70 seats, it would probably burn less fuel than a jet, but not 60% less. I'd like to see a fuel consumption comparison between the Saab 340 and an ERJ-140, for example, which is a jet with similar capacity - but stating the total consumption for the same *distance,* not time. My guesstimate would be 20-30% less fuel for the Saab. Still, because the jet is faster, it can also do more revenue flights per day, and so on - there are many factors to consider, and it isn't easy to say which is more economical or profitable for an airline.
For short routes, turboprops are far superior ! 1 Hour flights, CRJ compared to ATR 72-500/600. ATR is about 600 Kg/h and the CRJ is about 1400 kg/h, but can carry as many passengers. But for routes longer than 1-2 hours, jets are a better choice, since you can get one more rotation in per day, with the time you you've earned during cruise.
Km/h not kg/h
+Yuval Abramzon, no, kg/h (KILOGRAMS per hour) is correct. We're talking about FUEL CONSUMPTION, not SPEED.
60% less fuel than a 70 seat jet? Well Da. It also holds 40 less people and is 300 mph slower! A wheelbarrow gets better mileage than my Vette too.
LOL
Great video! I've always wondered what Silver is like after seeing their Saabs sitting around at MCO... You've earned a new sub!
a typical wet Florida takeoff....That back row would make a GREAT sleeping spot...SILVER is Getting a fleet of NEW ATR42-600's, they also fly into PNS........Did you get your feet WET....haha......great job Quintin
I can relate to when you said the f word bc I live in south Florida and it gets hot as balls haha
I used to fly this plane pretty frequently back when it was N427XJ flying for Mesaba/Northwest Airlink in the Midwest out of Detroit and Minneapolis. Thanks for the video- the Saab has an extremely unique, dynamic sound when taxiing and you captured it perfectly.
Oh wow that’s awesome! I know Delta has a brief Saab operation, did they use this aircraft after acquiring NW?
They did, but it wasn't ever painted in the Delta livery like some Saabs were as far as I can tell. The merger was completed in 2008, and the plane was stored in 2010 according to airfleets, so for 2 years it flew as Delta Connection, albeit still in the NW scheme.
Love sound of it taxiing, the only better-sounding taxi comes from the dash 8
I remember flying on these aircrafts from EAU to MSP(Northwest Airlink).
omg. I thought the exact same thing. I used to fly NW out of a small airport with Mesaba operated Saab prop planes (NW Airlink). Haven't heard that sound in years and years.
Nice report! Oddly enough, I flew on this same exact flight on the same exact aircraft in the seat right in front of you a few weeks prior to you did!
Thanks! Wow that’s hilarious 😆
24:10 U said the F word
Good video, love the props, but ain't no Q400 :)
Thanks! Yeah, I agree.
Funny that their name is Silver airways because there used to be a swedish airline called Golden air which also operated SAAB aircrafts ;)
Yeah hahaha that is so funny!
I like flying into EYW. Simple little airport. Did you notice the white Cubana AN-24 at the Southern end of the airport out your 340B window? It's just inside the airport fence. It's a hijack from the '80s or '90s that we never returned to Cuba (in contravention of international law!).
Here ya go. This is just a raw cut & paste from several different entries on a guy's blog regarding the Cubana plane:
_And there is enough room to leave this old hijacked Cuban airliner rotting in the back lot. A Cuban living in Miami won a rather peculiar lawsuit against the Cuban government and was awarded the plane as damage compensation for the monies ostensibly owed by the embargoed Cuban government. It seemed like a violation of international law which requires hijacked planes to be returned but the ruling did no one any good and here it sits years later:_
_Then there's this sad old pile rotting in the back lot of the airport. It was hijacked to Key West on an internal flight in Cuba and instead of returning the plane as is normally done a judge ruled it was to be handed over to a Miami family who were done wrong by Fidel Castro as I recall. Naturally they could do nothing with the plane which was never returned, never flown never used again. Here it sits nominal reparations in violation of international law. Our relations with Cuba are so weird._
_On our way out driving down Government Road past the airport we saw the old hijacked Cuban airplane still sitting there rotting slowly. It's part of the embargo madness that planes flown to the US get awarded to a Cuban family that won a one-sided lawsuit against the Cuban government. So instead of obeying international law and returning the plane it gets to sit here and pay off a phantom debt. Even the Citizen newspaper has finally come out in favor of ending the embargo. Might as well make the damned thing a homeless shelter. At least it would serve a purpose!_
I like EYW! Most airports are sleek, slick, ultra-modern..... antiseptic. EWY is the opposite, very rough around the edges,
I particularly the original 1950ish terminal as it is my favourite, it has a charm that that takes me back to my youth. While I hope they keep it like it is, I doubt they will.
Yeah I love EWY too... besides the fact that the boarding area is a crowded disaster waiting to happen. If they were to just renovate that, along with allowing the people de-boarding a chance to get back to the gate area without going through security again.
I remember flying this aircraft from Boston, MA the Burlington, VT in the early 1990s and liking it.
I LOVE the Saab 340! Especially the Silver Airways one
JLClips my local small airline (pacific coastal) has lots of Saab 340’s
Im starting to see you in a lot of youtube videos now lol
whoa
Kalan Hammond-Rota I see those all the time, Pacific coastal makes travel in bc easy as pie. The downside is I've noticed they look inside your luggage alot
@@kalanhammond-rota2876 They also operate with Westjet
that's one heck of an itinerary... I like it!
Hahahaha thanks!
It took a lot of planning
Flown into that airport twice in a small private plane and it was so pretty!! Loved the flying over the islands and the views, wow!
When I lived in Ithaca NY from 1991 thru 2002, I flew out of Ithaca Tompkins regional airport with US Air, which later became US Airways, on various regional turboprop airliners. I flew on the turboprops to New York LaGurardia, Philly, and Pitsburgh, where I would get a connecting mainline jet flight to my my final destination, my hometown of Charlotte NC for Christmas etc. The turboprop airliners included the Beechcraft 1900 C and D models, Jetstream 31, Shorts 360, and my favorite of those, the DeHaviland Dash-8 100 series. The Dash 8 cabin was was most like that of a mainline jet, but yet the Dash-8 was still a turboprop. Unlike most of the public, I personally like turboprop airliners better than conventional fan jet aircraft. For one thing, the turboprop engines burn less jet fuel than a conventional fan jet, because 90 percent of the thrust comes from the props, while the jet exhaust adds a 10 percent extra thrust. A conventional fan jet can fly a bit faster and at up to 40,000 feet, but relies more on the exhaust for propulsion, which eats up fuel. The fan in the front of the conventional jet engine adds only maybe 20 percent of additional thrust.
Asides from the fuel economy, I personally enjoy seeing the props spin, and I also enjoy the sound that the props make. In full idle and taxiing, they make your basic "Box Fan" sound. In takeoff and inflight, they make a low pitched drone like the wings of a bumblebee. Takeoffs are more exhilarating in turboprops, when the props are revved up to 1,500 RPM as they begin the takeoff roll. Once airborne, the landing gear is retracted into the nausels, and the props are spooled down to about 1,200 RPM. During the cruise portion of the flight, the props are probably rotated at 1,000 RPM.
Damn you know your turboprop airliners haha
tonight's Q re-view is one of my favs. the jet blue livery at 12:20 is nice. hanging out on the bench during a layover is sweet, those shoes are dope (i need a pair) but the best part is qman/s weather report after getting off the plane lol. thanks for sharing qman!!!
RIP Saab and this native Swede thanks you. I drove a Saab 93 for many years and, let me tell you, that car had some SERIOUS HORSE POWER!! It was a turbo and, yes, I got a speeding ticket.
The SAAB was ahead of its time in the day. Still a lovely little thing to fly on if you can stand the noise
Yeah I agree. They are quite enjoyable when equipped with the sound package that makes the cabin quieter
I like the JetBlue "retro" livery at 12:12
Yeah same!
Even though they never had that livery before
Me too
Very interesting trip report! Awesome views!
Thanks a lot! Gotta switch it up once in awhile
Ur doing such a great job!
Great video! I miss the 340 Mesaba flew them a long time (Northwest Airlink)
Thanks! I agree
I remember my first Saab 340 flight on American Eagle back in 2001 from JFK-BDL.
cool sounding engines
I know right!
Nice view of John U Loyd Park. I fly out of FLL as well. Love east operations for T/O. Especially during the early hours.
Yeah FLL is a very nice airport. That was the only the second time I’ve ever flown out of there
+QFS Aviation I believe it's 9L and 27R that have that wild slope. When I was an instructor and we got into FLL for a touch and go my student just floated for 1000 feet. At that point I just said go missed haha but it's a decent location
100,50,40,30,20,10 MMMMMMMMMMMM butter!
Mmmmmmm yummy
The size of the Azul A330-200 was like monster to the little Saab 340+
I've watched so many of these trip report videos, and this is the first time so far that the seat pocket was small. :)
Not a fan of this one! That engine cover looks like it hasn't had a re-spray in 20 years, plane looks old overall, and it's sounds almost unbearably loud.
thanks Qman. good job. and key west is cool, even if it is "fuckin hot" lol
Thanks! Yeah hahaha I was wondering if anybody would catch me saying that
19:29 Why is there a Cubana plane??
America has been offering trips to Cuba since 2015
less than 200 nm flight turb0 g0nna kill jet 0n fuel every time, shit that distance y0u might as well drive
12:30. I flew on Azul airlines before
Dorkmann shouldn’t you still be playing with toy airplanes?
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The 60% less fuel statement is an obvious one but it is specifically to state that the Saab is more economical and has less of an environmental footprint vs a 70 seater jet that may be used on the same routes.
I haven’t been on the 340b since 2015 and it kinda looks like a bus at the back
I’ve seen nothing but awful reviews but do u recommend? Asking cause I found some super cheap tickets but my friend feels like it’s unsafe
Nice to see you had a good experience.
Rare turboprop in Indonesia airspace...Great airline
Let's take a look at that fuel consumption claim. Using round numbers for easy math, let's say it takes a jet 1000 gallons to move 70 seats 500 miles. The 340 moves 34 seats only 250 miles in one hour at 60% less fuel, or 400 gallons. To move 34 seats 500 miles takes 800 gallons or 23.53 gallons per seat. The jet uses 14.29 gallons per seat. The jet wins!
OMG they are only on the reverse thrust at taxi
I flew Silver Airways once. Flight Crew were very friendly.
I agree. Very nice F/A
You drinking water was the highlight of my day
That is so rude dont hate on my boy QMan
I don't fucking give a shit stfu
wonder how much fuel was burned during the taxi
Yeah I agree!
QFS Aviation cool lil plane
Turboprop airplane:saab 340
Key west airport looks sloppy for a huge tourist area they need to get it together
Saab 340B + beautiful
Ft. Lauderdale (FLL) disgusting
Key West (EYW) is beautiful.
airport is good, tied at 2nd with detroit in USA, used to be first but phoenix is 1st now lol
I wonder is Silver will survive.
Did u hear of peidmont airlines retiring it's last Dash 8s. I'm so sad because I feel like Americans are too afraid of turboprops but you are a brave dude
I wish I could fly in props more often. When I fly, it’s almost always a jet.
Very nice, you will like the ATRs they are getting. They are very comfy.
Thanks! Honestly, I dislike the ATR more than any other aircraft in the sky. It seems like every other week I will see one crashed on the news. The chances of me ever stepping on one are lower than 1%.
Honestly, I like the Dash 8 more, but I've flown on the ATR 600 series many times and it is very nice in term of the passenger experience.
Saab sounds like sob
Honestly, looks to be about the size of some of the Netjets you’ve been on. Lol.
Wahat a good video! Love it! :)
Thanks!
Butter landing
Ahh my favorite airline
Awesome!
You do a trip report on their ATR fleet aircraft network.
I’ve never heard of silver airways before bc I always take alligent from FWA - PGD
One question, where we droppin boi's?
Uhhhhh. Idk boi
JaySea Uhhh well be in tilted
Fucking Dusty!
Very nice flight report dude ! I'll fly with Silver Airways this summer by the way :D
Thanks!
A lot of action at FLL that day!! Love this video!!
I know right! Thanks!
QFS Aviation No problem!! I can’t wait to be a pilot it’s going to be a lot of fun 👨🏾✈️👨🏾✈️
Yeah I can’t wait either!
sounds like the pilot is stepping on and off the gas pedal lolololol
Awesome video man liked
Thanks!
Excellent video. What is the app you're using on your phone to track flights?
@werkdesign Flightradar24
In Saab 340's rows 4 and 10 are the best for a window seat, and row 2 has no windows at all, row 2 is directly in line with the prop blades.
Oh I wish I knew. I probably should have sat in row 4
Nice! These will be replaced by ATR's.
TrainsWow™ That means they’ll either head to the Boneyard. Or come out to Australia.
Boeing 737 banzai at the begins, what app are you using to get all the aircraft info?
Flightradar24 on the App Store!
Is this an EAS flight??
No; EYW isn’t an EAS kind of market.
@@B.Launders good. i don't want my txes going to this
Great video young sir, what's the speed of the Saab? And what the highest feet for the Saab?
Thanks! I’m not sure exactly, but I’m sure google will say
Excellent video! VERY busy time at KFLL!
Thanks! Yeah
11:26 what plane is that ?
JetBlue A320 in a fictional retro-livery.
I noticed he tookoff with NO flaps.
Silver is gonna replace the SAABs with the ATRs soon...
Yeah. To be honest I’m scared shitless of the ATRs. I will never step on one in my life
i saw in the video a brazilian aircraft azul company airlines
Yep!
Of course it small
I used to fly the SAAB 2000. Much bigger aircraft and galley is located at the rear of aircraft. Missed flying the SAAB
Yeah I wish I could have the opportunity to fly it. Unfortunately the only US airline that has it is PenAir. The aircraft is operated in Alaska from like Dillingham to Anchorage.
QFS: I wish I could fly the 2000 with PenAir.
Me: checking out your video a year ago.
Congrats, QFS. Both 340 and 2000 needed to be in your repertoire for sure.👍👍
I love the Saab!
Same!
+QFS Aviation Great Video ! I would love to see more of these videos!
Also what airplane app was that that? it looked very cool !
Have a Great Day !
Charlie F
Thanks! I want too! That app was called FlightRadar24.
Thanks for replying to my comment! that app is very cool !
Derelict Dash 7, 19:28-19:29
Woah I never noticed that. I believe that is a Cubana though
It was definitely a Cubana, which would then make it a Antonov An-26 then.
Yeah wow!
What music was that ?
10:27 Azul te Amor Brasil
😀👍
Sempre bom esses vídeos
What is that "Twang" from the props during taxi?
I'm not sure. The SAABs are very interesting
So do they pull back on the throttle to the verge of it going in reverse feather? Or do they pull back on the two feather levers to a neutral position? I'm not sure how turboprops work and that's why I'm asking.
I like runway 10r at fort lauderdale airport cause the planes that land on that runway pass by my school
what hs you go to ? Western ?
HolaSoyAlejandro im not in high school im in middle school i go to a school called broward academy in davie that is 2 minutes away from the fort lauderdale airport
HolaSoyAlejandro ive heard of western
HolaSoyAlejandro what school do you go to
Maulan Wong i think i saw your school a few times when i was landing. My school played Western in football ane we lost in the last minute :/
Looks like a small embraer with props
Ikr lol
sweet lil plane
Looking nice. Fly safe always....
Thanks!
what's that app you're using to locate those flights ? That's cool
FlightRadar24. Best app ever
QFS Aviation agree
That intro never gets old
very nice video.
Thanks!
100,50,40,30,20,10 MMMMMMMMMMMM butter!
0:28
Does that plane have flaps?
Yeah it does. I don’t think he has them down for takeoff, but he does for landing.
@@mtch8248 ahhh ok i see thx
Thanks
:)
nice video
Thanks!
that was a long taxi
Yeah it was like 10 minutes