I don’t see how anyone could pay that. You’re paying a bunch for 1 gym machine-usually cardio equipment or weights light enough to be cardio equipment-and then paying a gym membership fee on top of that to use it in your own home. You’re paying more, and getting less, and it’s all of lower quality. Just buy a Concept 2 rower and put your phone on it and you’re already doing better for less.
Yeah but you waste so much time leaving the house and ancillary things. However, Americans and others just LOOOVE throwing away their money at subscriptions. Hence the Giant influx of monthly subscription boxes that have come out Commercial gyms are TRASH unless you have a competitive team lol. But anyways, buy yourself a rack bench and bar and some Olympic dumbells. And you're set.
I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B
Totally agree. Smart solutions in gyms are a luxury. A fun and sometimes helpful for time efficiency, but it takes away the attention from actually training hard and smart. Choosing the correct weights, reps, volume and focusing on technique is always the more improtant thing in fitness.
Difference between a tech enthusiast and a microchip fetishist. Tech, before silicon, was irrigation, levers, etc. Tech in pop culture is mostly in reference to anything with a PLC in it
Same. I'm pretty techy. Sorta fell off due to tech just constantly changing for me to care enough but with what I have... I am pretty techy lol. I prefer a dumb gym...
Agree 100%. Why would I want yet another computer screen in my life? Already have my phone, TV, Tablet and Computer....the LAST thing I want is to watch some weirdo's exercise on a screen while I'm working out.
I would, if the cost is reasonable AND if the equipment is fully functional without the subscription AND not ridiculously overpriced to begin with. So in other words, for now, I won't.
I said I would never pay for radio or gym subs but satellite radio and ifit on the treadmill both make my life more enjoyable. That said I’d always lift with a bar and plates vs staring at the mirror from wizard of oz
I agree 100% . There's no guarantee these smart home gym equipment will always be safe. Peloton is a perfect example with their recall of their treadmill. Nothing beats real iron and weights as you know how to use it properly.
I'm pushing 60 and I can't remember all of the gimmicks, trends and gadgets that I've seen in my lifetime that were supposedly going to be the "future of fitness" that were going to make basic barbells and dumbbells obsolete.
For real, gamifying is okay for those who wouldn't do it otherwise, but how many of them will stick to it and seriously keep up anyways. Nothing beats walking into the gym while forming your plan of what to do and the environment set only for your purpose.
I totally agree with you guys on that, however let's remember that some of us enjoy training and find enjoyment in the simplicity of the iron, in the struggle against a heavy weight, in seeing a progression scheme evolving etc etc while other people are just there to exercise in a "friendlier" way for lack of better words. The OG home gym community is mostly made out of powerlifters, CrossFit athletes, oly lifters, general strength aficionados and strongman but we're a minority compared to the "standard" fitness class audience. So yeah, these smart things are nice, but do not cather to us in any way shape or form
I don't know about anyone else watching this, but to me one of the major joys of having a home gym is to be completely unconnected to anyone else when I'm working out.
Yup. I'm a very antisocial lifter. The most tech during my sessions is my phone & tripod taping my sets for review between lifts, otherwise my gym time is like an active meditation.
I LIKE to be alone and focused on MY workout. Not the guy next to me. I don't want to smell the atomic perfume from 50 feet away while I'm running. I love my home gym.
Agreed; I personally find tech distracting. Why would dumbbells or kettlebells need 'tech?' I don't ever want to be in the position where I need to recharge my dumbbell. Also, a lot of this tracking tech is just flat out wrong (step counters, calorie loss counters, looking at you) and makes the lifter worry about being perfect. You just need to show up and be good enough; all of these attempts to seek perfection aren't necessarily good things.
@@SteveKelly1 once i lost my Apple Watch for “recording” workouts for strength training I saw so much more improvement because I was so concerned with making sure I hit a certain time on each workout or a certain amount of calories burned. Free styling the workouts in that aspect is so much better
The software is bullshit for me, no need to have a screen or an annoying "personal trainer"... I like the Tonal idea because I want a functional trainer in a tiny space but screw their subscription and digital crap...
I'm roughly in this boat as well, but I'd love two things: 1. Go ahead and keep the digital stuff, but do it locally - keep things like workout history and whatnot on the device itself, and have the user select a profile when they first start it up. 2. Offer a subscription service that gives access to predefined routines and whatnot, but the possible workouts available with the device should just be in a library, and allow the user to set up schedules - IE: "Back Day" - add in your own exercises from the full library of exercises you can perform, etc etc. 3. The subscription model can also do smart progressive increases - based on your usage, automatically increase over time based on your progression level. When operating locally, it can just be "continue where you left off", and it's on you to increase/decrease as necessary.
My wife has a tonal, I started using it as a cable machine. Works brilliantly as a supplement to my traditional weights. It’s like having access to all the cable machines in a well equipped gym.
not true i use my peloton bike 4x a week at least and the app for a yoga/meditation/floor workout 6x a week so idk ab that not saying i dont like “real” gym equipment because obv i use and love my bench and powerrack and trx a lot
I mean, this isn't really different from many class-based training (CrossFit, HIIT training, Boot Camp, Spin Class, Orange Theory, etc.). Not saying those are great experiences for you, but you tend to look at the coach / trainer to make sure you are doing the movement correctly. Once you know what you're doing, you tend to not look at the trainer as much, so your eye can wander... but this whole thing pre-supposes you want a coach / trainer and not just a workout written in a notebook that you do by yourself.
@@RocketSauce666 Yeah, I understand it's for a certain audience that can't afford a PT, but let's be honest, someone who joins a gym class, experiences way more joy, motivation and better feedback than someone at home, staring at a screen.
@@the_notorious_bas I don't know about feedback as many class instructors aren't exactly great trainers + the "class" has so many individuals and the training session is going so fast that it's hardly possible to really focus on anyone's form anyway. That being said, a PT is not as expensive as you may think, yes it's really expensive per hour but the goal is that you actually learn things in those few hours instead of just listening to a prerecorded video or a person who's screaming for the whole class.
I recently visited my brother-in-law and I used their Tonal every day I was there. At first I was skeptical but I 100% agree now that these smart gyms are the future. I'm personally going to have my own normal gym but I could see the average person buying these.
I bought a Pro-Form treadmill in October of 2020, it came with a three-year membership to iFIT, I started using the membership the day of the purchase and I did not receive the treadmill until December 2020. I have used the software almost daily along with the treadmill and my “dumb” weights, Pilates and yoga accessories. I may be an exception to the rule but I already know that when my three years are up I will renew the membership. It has been an amazing trip so far, I went from being very sedentary to jogging for 20 minutes at a time and I owe that to the trainers from iFIT and my motivation to become fit for my 60th birthday. I’ve lost over 30 pounds and I feel better than I have in many years.
I think "smart home gyms" and "dumb home gyms" serve totally different markets. Smart home gym owners do it for health and wellness. They get it in, get out, and get on with their lives. Dumb home gym owners do it as a hobby. They have a passion for a certain type of lifting; whether it be power lifting, weight lifting, body building, whatever, but the equipment is a means to that end that smart home gyms currently don't offer.
Smartgyms are for narcissistic who need to share everything about themselves on social media. Real gym is for those who value health and fitness, unless they are there with a camera, same narcissists
I disagree, at least for me personally I work out as a hobby and really like the idea of a smart home gym that can track my progress and make data backed decisions to push me farther and help meet my goals It's just the subscription and 200 lb Max that kill it for me.
I only use barbell for three lifts now. Squats, cleans and deadlifts. Everything else is dumbbells or cables. Just a personal preference, but unilateral lifts for life.
Your 100% correct. I have a home gym, mostly Rogue. I am looking at adding some cardio equipment, and while I like the look of Peloton, when I found out they charged a monthly fee I declined. I am okay paying for the hardware and software in advance, but not being tied to a monthly fee
Great Video Sir, as a UI designer I have been banging the drum about fusing tech with the hard wear we already use. Great to hear a lot of people feel the same way.
Just buy equipment for what you need it for and use your phone to add your favorite workout soundtracks and go to town on your workouts. Stay consistent, keep track and watch yourself improve!
You nailed it. This is all of my gripes with smart home gyms. I went and tested a Tonal, and the creaking and plastic were a deal breaker (granted, they did update the hardware model to use less plastic, but still too much creaking). Just like the IoT industry, I think this is gonna explode with smartifying existing gym equipment. Anyway, good open video to the industry. Nice work.
A lot of good points, particularly the "subscription optional" part. some people just want a decent/convenient piece of equipment without unnecessary bells and whistles (screens, bluetooth, wifi, cameras, etc)
Wow this channel got big! I remember finding this a year ago when the pandemic started - to find some decent equipment online, the channel had maybe 20k subscribers now it's at 263k, great job!
I agree with your overall sentiment that gyms will have more options to make them "smarter," but I think the bigger crowd that wants that is not who views this channel. Tonal and all the rest that get these huge valuations do it by appealing to the masses who do not really take fitness seriously, and see a gadget as the solution to their problems. They aren't concerned with nice hardware because they aren't comparing hardware, they're buying the product after being wow'd by an advertisement that promises them the results they want, and shows them how the product will achieve that for them. This is the crowd that made bowflex a household name despite janky hardware. It works every time. The other thing about hardware is that when you compare a home gym product to a freemotion commercial piece, you're just miles apart on cost, and you're not taking into account the huge touchscreen missing on that freemotion. All the money these home fitness companies spend is on the software dev. If they had to make nice hardware too, the price just keeps going up. On integrating with existing equipment--it's a hard problem to solve. The reason tech works so well with these standalone machines is that all of the variables are controlled. If someone had to make a system that monitored your workouts including all of the various pieces of equipment and workout variations possible, plus accounting for the size of space you might move in, the solutions become a lot more limited. You could add sensors to barbells and dumbbells, but what about when you're doing box jumps or pushups? How are those tracked? You basically need a camera system capable of detecting every movement and logging what is a workout activity, and what is just moving between pieces of equipment. Really tough problem.
In my experience, my home gym is a disconnection from the tech-influenced outside world. It gives me time to think, plan my upcoming day, and have time to myself. I cannot say whether or not smart home gyms are the future, but I will be sticking to my traditional weights.
"Subscriptions absolutely suck!" When is the new IPhone coming out? It's somewhat, or not even somewhat, like Rocky v Drago Training. The tech footprints are awesome but it better last and since it's in my house I better be able to use it how I want, when I want for free.
In Coop's Tonal video, a comment number crunched the total cost for the product after a year to be $4,100. That's with 200lb max resistance. Even a crappy Olympic barbell can handle 500lb, and adding that much weight in plates, a sturdy power rack, adjustable bench, lat pulldown machine, loadable dumbbell handles, and horse stall mats will likely fall around $1-2k. That's well under half the price. Training consistency has always been the primary factor of reaching your fitness goals, and smart home gyms look to address that in a big way with its compact, automated tech. However, it is still a skill to be honed; the classic "barbell+rack & novice-to-intermediate program" combo has a steeper learning curve, but tens of thousands of lifters have crossed the threshold of peak general fitness with it.
When tech can track my bar velocity, reps, and automatically record my weights in a logbook of sorts while I can use a typical power rack, bar, and plates, I'll definitely switch over. As long as it enhances the experience and not detract. The goal in my opinion is for tech to remove friction from my training. I just want to focus on the work, AI can focus on everything else.
@@GarageGymReviews makes total sense! With how fast technology is moving, I can see us switching to more of this type of equipment sooner than later! Thanks for the reply man!
@@LukesGarageGym LOL, I can still use a log or a bucket full of dirt to still put on muscle. Why do I need stupid mirrors that talk to me ? LOL, the world turning into soyboys and BETABOYs.
@@GarageGymReviews But at what price, how much would something like that cost? I couldn't see people wanting to buy somethinglike that if it cost 5k pluse. But than again I did spend 800$ on a rack lol
I’m happy to be able to build the gym I have and create my content based of what I got. Would love to upgrade in the future. Crazy how much is at our finger tips for us home gym users.
I love this!! For me; I spent quarantine amassing a sweet “dumb gym,” that does everything I need it to with 0 wasted space. I’m a tech junkie at heart- but smart home gym equipment will have to be REALLY GOOD and innovative for me to spend the money and the square footage on an additional piece of equipment. I’m excited to watch what’s next!!
I love technology. I think there is a ton of motivational value in the gamification of fitness, and useful data for athletes. That said, nothing about the current gen of smart gym equipment excites me. Also, I'm at a computer sometimes 10 hours a day for work; my gym is in many ways an escape from tech.
I am so glad you addressed the fact that the Peloton Tread harmed those children. I know people say, “wHeRe WeRe ThE pArEnTs??” But seriously, the couldn’t put the basic safety standards of treadmills from the 90’s? Hardware AND safety matters. Also imagine the worst case scenario and eliminate the possibility.
For right now, I feel activity trackers are the best when it comes to tech by means of the things they have the ability to track. But that doesn’t mean treadmills, bikes, rowers, elliptical etc can’t have a fancy high tech screen. Thinking about it, it’s already come a long way since phone charger ports and fans
Coop! So on target I absolutely agree with you. I am studying business strategy and lots of good points you are bringing there. Personally, I own lots of Rogue stuff but I complement with a subscription to peloton digital something like 10$/month and I think its a prett good deal for what I get. All this said, home gym is the future and I will never sell my hardware except to get better one. What a great video, GGR is really my favourite channel on YT. Keep it up
Coop on 6/15/21 says “Smart home gym are the future” good to look out for. I’ll stick to my Barbell and Dumbbells for now. Subscriptions do SUCK! #wHoOp….
I work for an iot device design firm and we're already working with some of these large producers to make smart version of their products (or additional products utilizing machine vision like the MIT one). I think they're all mostly already working on your recommendations! some of them have been working on these awhile
@@bmstylee Lots of things can be hacked, but less devices means less entry points. Often they use really terrible SoC devices that don't ever even get new firmware.
I could see a smart barbell tracker and camera helping a person just starting out with compounds. Replaces the need for a trainer by the Big Box Globogyms...but I will stick to my own iron in my basement
I found your channel because of the Tonal review. I'm a techy and prioritize ease of use, minimalism, and functionality. Tonal is the minimalist, techy version of Freemotion(favorite till Tonal). I can stomach the not as solid hardware with creaking as long as it's durable when handled well. We currently have a Peleton and it's used constantly as compared to the standalone spin bike we had and sold. The competitive aspect is a huge motivator and progress tracking/record breaking.
Excellent video! I have went all in on the home gym and I use it one to three times a day, it's fantastic! I certainly don't have some of the great equipment that you have in your gym, but it's been a slow build and the online training is remarkable. I went into the Icon Fitness ecosystem with iFit, my only complaint is that some of their equipment is somewhat cheap. Even they're more expensive NordicTrack brands, with $2,000 sticker prices, I've had poor experience is with. The fact that the subscription goes from one piece of equipment to another, on the same subscription was very appealing to me when purchasing equipment over the last 18 months. Your perspective on the Kaiser, is 100% accurate that bike is fantastic and if I wasn't into the ecosystem with iFit, I would probably have purchased a Kaiser spinning bike. The other thing that is frustrating is subscriptions to multiple vendors, the hydro is a spectacular rowing machine and yet the idea of paying an additional $40 or $50 a month to another company, just makes the whole home workout experience that much more expensive. Coop your content is always spot-on and your videos are entertaining! Thanks for the hours of great content!
Thats the biggest thing. I do miss the atmosphere and its harder to simulate some of the exercises with bands and calisthenics. But the pandemic proved that you dont necessarily need the gym
I am a 71 year old woman who has always worked out. As a single mom when I was younger I used videos to work out too. I have a Nordic Track Fusion machine since 2018 and have loved it. I golf and it definitely help my overall strength. You are exactly correct that manufactures need to work on their software if they want the subscriptions to continue and people not hating to pay for them.
The adjustable dumbbell market can totally add smarts to their stuff, but first work out the kinks first because they tend to break when they get dropped.
I had the same idea, you put the dumbbells down and it automatically changes the weights, you don't have to even move your hands during the entire workout, but how lazy do you have to be to buy that
@@yousifyounan6579 You would be surprised how lazy people are. I mean, half the time people don't rerack their weights. If it is better, and more durable than the adjustables on the market, I am sure people would buy it.
@@bacawaka2813 true true. My own invention that I made when I was like 11 was cables but they get harder and easier depending on your strengh during the lift, so liek your bench press goes from 135 going up to 150 going down, sonething like that is an improvement from regular gym equipment so I would defo buy. It
I will never pay for a subscription for gym equipment I own. If i wanted that I would have stayed in a commercial gym. Don't forget commercial gyms can buy this smart equipment as well. They will get volume discounts etc and put them into their gyms. They can distribute the cost of the equipment and subscriptions across a larger group, cut some personal trainers / live classes to offset costs. Right back to commercial gyms being a very good option for a lot of people...
I think smart home gym equipment will be great for those with smaller homes as they can do a tonne of things with a smaller footprint. Also, there is a large market for folks who want to stay healthy but are intimidated by strength training/power lifting/weight lifting. In addition, the smart equipment provides the option to "stay connected" to others in the comforts of their own home, because some people really require the motivation/sense of community to work out.that is something which has proved invaluable during this pandemic. Definitely agree that there is a huge market in the future.
I agree with you on a lot of points Coop. -*Better hardware:* Heck yes, I get a special tingle when I use a well made/ machined product -*Smart Tech:* Definitely will creep up with popularity for the average person However those who buy gym memberships and only go for a month & Iron Addicts are two groups that I really don't see being sold on the idea, but hey, what product is targeted to 100% of people.
I’m betting on gym for a month people being the primary market. Which fits with pretty looking but low quality builds. Most will get used a handful of times and then just sit unused collecting subscription fees.
Once the software matures, I can’t imagine these devices sticking around. They’re all just a screen and an app bolted to mediocre equipment, screens are cheap and apps are incredibly prone to competition. There’s nothing to stop google or apple from popping out a $100 device/software package that works with any equipment you might have. And mirror is even worse. No integration needed, just an app on any of the devices you already own. Just an update to google fit.
This is why I invest in workout equipment that doesn’t require fancy tech or the internet to work. Examples are dumbbells and a TRX suspension strap set. I can use an app to help me through the moves.
Some people love the commercial gym atmosphere. Myself hate it I love being able to look how I want to look a complete sweaty mess in the comfort of my own home. No distractions, no people taking secret pictures/videos of you, no one coming up to you to share small talk. Working out at home is the way for me even with a monthly subscription
Maybe, maybe not. I am more old school, but ultimately if it causes ppl to workout that normally wouldnt then its a net positive. The conventional ways will always be there for ppl who go that route. Nothing wrong w ppl using this if they can afford it
Definitely is a big opportunity for movement tracking technology that analyzes and breaks down technique, offers recommendations and collects velocity data and eventually rates rpe accurately
im fine with high tech weights, just as long as there is zero internet connectivity. I don't want my workout data being sold to other corporations or whatever nefarious schemes you can think of. blue tooth from barbell to phone and that's it.
we do see some devices you can add to barbells or make them built in to track velocity so I think that would be something great and coaches can video a velocity spectrum on their lifts to hit and give an audio queue.
Smart integration will definitely expand drastically. I agree with pretty much all points Coop is making here. One thing I’ve been saying for a while is that manufacturers should focus on software and eliminating “useless” add-on’s to their equipment. Meaning that I would feel a lot better about my ROI if a Peloton was made better in lieu of having a screen, and all I had to do would be to connect my smart TV/phone/tablet to their app (sensors aren’t that expensive anymore, in order to Bluetooth data) and the bike. So instead of giving me a large screen, make sure my bike will be as solid as my echo bike. No?
@@rlkinnard the onboard timers and targets on the echo are good for me. I don’t see any shortcomings with it, quite the contrary. I was mentioning it based on its built quality.
Since I already have everything I need in my home gym I’m not the target market. But I do think they’re the future, especially for people who are want to be fitter/stronger but are not into the power lifts. People like my brother-in-law or my girlfriend, who are intimidated by a barbell squat, would benefit from this stuff.
There is no replacement for a barbell, a rack, and heavy weight. Soccer moms & dudes with a midlife crisis will love these, but I want none of that shit.
smart home gyms are a fad, they don't make actual lifts more intuitive or easier. They make the planet fitness type of people feel more motivated. that's it
@@thejuice33 I inadvertently admitted that. Most people don't know how to lift, that's why planet fitness is so popular and why it's such a mass market appeal to have these motivational pieces of equipment. But you also have to realize they are trying to compete and say they are in the same segment as rogue titan rep etc. If they want to be the upgraded high tech version of the home gym, they need to be in line with the actual home gym manufacturers like rogue. Otherwise it's just a fad. Just because most people don't know how to lift doesn't mean they shouldn't know how to. crossfit was massively successful in teaching weightlifting movements to the mass. These home gym start ups should be using this "tech" for that purpose
I totally agree about the subscription fees. I ended up buying a fairly inexpensive exercise bike. I really wanted a peloton, not because the bike is the best, but because the classes are amazing. But if for some reason I have to cancel or pause the subscription, the bike would become nearly useless...and I cannot risk having a large peice of equipment(that cost $2600) just sitting taking up space as a decoration. If I knew the option had been there to still use the bike with at least a handful of rides types for free...I would have jumped right on buying one. Amd would have paid for the subscription as well. So redicilous that a sub of about 45/month is the only way to get any use at all out of any of these devices!
I use the Peloton app without the bike for only $13/mo. I’m looking into getting a Keiser M3i. As a bike, it’s superior to Peloton’s offerings. And I could still take Peloton’s classes. Even if I stopped using the Peloton app, I could still use the Keiser bike with another app or on its own.
I don’t even have a proper home gym (just a pull up bar, rings, and a kettlebell) but I still feel I can do more exploratory and productive work with those tools than I would using this stuff. There’s so much that can be done with “dumb” weights! Plus, we get smarter ourselves as athletes and lifters when we explore for ourselves.
This will never be the future for me. I enjoy free weights and bodybuilding machines too much. I value a full space dedicated to a specific activity, and most of all I know my way around a training plan+I know my body. I also hate subscriptions and payments. I could totally see this being the mainstream future, but it's not for me (and likely not for many in this community).
These smart gyms are overpriced junk equipment that’s worthless without the ridiculously priced subscription. My dumb weights will provide fitness for whoever is willing to put in the work and pick them up. And probably long after I’m dead too. And no subscription.
100% agree, bricking the devices without a subscription is ridiculous. I think they'd find a lot more customers if they allowed people to use them without.
I love the idea of incorporating tech into existing hardware. I specifically like tech that can gauge and report on my performance, form, etc. HATE subscriptions and I hate following along with a specified routine.
The only thing I want to see in a smart home gym is a 3D camera that recognizes and corrects form, nothing else. I don't want this futuristic shit. Like in cars, all these new features are taking away from the experience of driving a car, the same will happen to gyms which is sad.
@@fatboitino2 I REALLY like the idea of the Perch/Tempo systems, better ways of tracking, but using my (admittedly small) collection of gear that I already have. I do feel like I have a problem with bar speed (I'm usually going way too slow, I might have to lighten up for a few weeks and get that where it needs to be, it could be because I'm lifting heavier than I can, if that makes any sense.)
@@msihcs8171 Yeah, that kind of thing can certainly be helpful. However, I think some of these items are focused too much on the smart side- and are getting away from how their innovations can actually enhance training
@@fatboitino2 I get what you're saying, I don't want one nagging at me, I just want it to record what I'm doing. I have a Smart-style HIIT trainer, I might get a similar setup for steady-state cardio, I usually get bored after 15 minutes or so unless I'm running outside. For lifting the main feature that I'd want is the ability to turn off the screen etc if I feel like just lifting like I do right now.
Open up those gates, my man. There's plenty of space in the market for this and the financing can also drive into more traditional fitness equipment if the big players jump in.
Whatever fitness program someone wants to use is generally a good thing. Not everyone can or need to lift iron. Kudos to all those that found their jam, whatever that maybe. It sure beats sitting sedentary.
Coop, you brought up some good points. I believe this is the future, but I also agree with you that the equipment quality could be improved. I didn't know that the Tonal creeks when you use it. That alone would drive me nuts. As far as the subscription goes maybe let people opt-in quarterly or when they get tired of the exercise videos.
I’ve been working out my entire life. Cables, Smith machines, free weights, just about anything you can think of. and the tonal is by far the quietest piece of equipment I have ever used. BY FAR… and as I play music right from the machine itself, I literally hear nothing but the music.
The thing about most smart home gyms though (from someone who doesn't have one and may never be able to afford one) is that they seem quite focused towards the types of people who just prefer classes (spin/zumba/crosstraining?) or would only go into the gym with a trainer, to just pounding the iron in the free-weights area. I guess it's the interactive side of it. I don't know how they would be able to incorporate free weights or that kind of training into something you might just bolt onto the wall... I really like the camera idea if you can use it to study your form, isolate your weaker/slower zones of a lift, and would be especially interested if it could then suggest things you can do in your training which will help you improve that lift (either from a strength or flexibility standpoint). I think you're right about home gyms becoming the future though. After over a year, most gym regulars have invested in some kind of equipment to satisfy their needs and, while it isn't the same as going in the gym it has been long enough that most of us have got used to it now.
Coop, they can build goal or performance subscriptions. 12 week lifting plan, 4 week squat plan. Let me pick a plan that fills an objective I want to accomplish
If I had to pay $40/month to use the home gym I purchased, I'll just pay that to a commercial gym and use my space in the house for something else
Well put👍
My thoughts exactly
I don’t see how anyone could pay that. You’re paying a bunch for 1 gym machine-usually cardio equipment or weights light enough to be cardio equipment-and then paying a gym membership fee on top of that to use it in your own home. You’re paying more, and getting less, and it’s all of lower quality. Just buy a Concept 2 rower and put your phone on it and you’re already doing better for less.
Exactly
Yeah but you waste so much time leaving the house and ancillary things.
However, Americans and others just LOOOVE throwing away their money at subscriptions. Hence the Giant influx of monthly subscription boxes that have come out
Commercial gyms are TRASH unless you have a competitive team lol.
But anyways, buy yourself a rack bench and bar and some Olympic dumbells. And you're set.
I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B
As a tech enthusiast, I have 0 interest in a smart gym. I like my dumb weights and bars
What you dont wanna pay for another monthly subscription service?
Totally agree. Smart solutions in gyms are a luxury. A fun and sometimes helpful for time efficiency, but it takes away the attention from actually training hard and smart. Choosing the correct weights, reps, volume and focusing on technique is always the more improtant thing in fitness.
Difference between a tech enthusiast and a microchip fetishist. Tech, before silicon, was irrigation, levers, etc. Tech in pop culture is mostly in reference to anything with a PLC in it
Same. I'm pretty techy. Sorta fell off due to tech just constantly changing for me to care enough but with what I have... I am pretty techy lol.
I prefer a dumb gym...
Agree 100%. Why would I want yet another computer screen in my life? Already have my phone, TV, Tablet and Computer....the LAST thing I want is to watch some weirdo's exercise on a screen while I'm working out.
I will never pay a subscription to use expensive equipment at my home.
I would, if the cost is reasonable AND if the equipment is fully functional without the subscription AND not ridiculously overpriced to begin with. So in other words, for now, I won't.
@@plmn93 allowing subscription opens the box you should want to keep closed. They always make the experience of subs worse after x amount of time.
I said I would never pay for radio or gym subs but satellite radio and ifit on the treadmill both make my life more enjoyable. That said I’d always lift with a bar and plates vs staring at the mirror from wizard of oz
Well the content they produce costs money, so they're got to charge a fee.
Doesn't look like they're producing content lmao
Smart home gyms might be the future of home gyms. However it will not be the future of MY home gym. Nothing beats real iron.
Snowflakes with too much credit to spend on fancy pancy nonsense that will never be as fit or strong as athletes in the 1970s
I could see someone innovating those bar speed sensors and force measuring devices for specific types of sport training and programming.
@@samwroblewski748 it's called Xbox kinect
I agree 100% . There's no guarantee these smart home gym equipment will always be safe. Peloton is a perfect example with their recall of their treadmill.
Nothing beats real iron and weights as you know how to use it properly.
I'm pushing 60 and I can't remember all of the gimmicks, trends and gadgets that I've seen in my lifetime that were supposedly going to be the "future of fitness" that were going to make basic barbells and dumbbells obsolete.
My gym is a refuge. It is a place for aggression, pain and progress. I want no part of fancy screens or flashing lights.
For real, gamifying is okay for those who wouldn't do it otherwise, but how many of them will stick to it and seriously keep up anyways. Nothing beats walking into the gym while forming your plan of what to do and the environment set only for your purpose.
I totally agree with you guys on that, however let's remember that some of us enjoy training and find enjoyment in the simplicity of the iron, in the struggle against a heavy weight, in seeing a progression scheme evolving etc etc while other people are just there to exercise in a "friendlier" way for lack of better words.
The OG home gym community is mostly made out of powerlifters, CrossFit athletes, oly lifters, general strength aficionados and strongman but we're a minority compared to the "standard" fitness class audience.
So yeah, these smart things are nice, but do not cather to us in any way shape or form
And that feeling after you've done your routine and drink a Coffee in gym
@@Uncle_Tijikun connected atlas stone are the next logical step
I don't know about anyone else watching this, but to me one of the major joys of having a home gym is to be completely unconnected to anyone else when I'm working out.
albert fish
Yup. I'm a very antisocial lifter. The most tech during my sessions is my phone & tripod taping my sets for review between lifts, otherwise my gym time is like an active meditation.
I don’t like people around either, but do find ‘live’ classes inspiring. Gets me in the headspace, without the annoyances.
I LIKE to be alone and focused on MY workout. Not the guy next to me. I don't want to smell the atomic perfume from 50 feet away while I'm running.
I love my home gym.
Can't see myself ever switching. Getting away from all the tech is half the reason i spend so much time in my gym.
Facts, put the phone on DND and then just lift
Agreed; I personally find tech distracting. Why would dumbbells or kettlebells need 'tech?' I don't ever want to be in the position where I need to recharge my dumbbell. Also, a lot of this tracking tech is just flat out wrong (step counters, calorie loss counters, looking at you) and makes the lifter worry about being perfect. You just need to show up and be good enough; all of these attempts to seek perfection aren't necessarily good things.
@@SteveKelly1 once i lost my Apple Watch for “recording” workouts for strength training I saw so much more improvement because I was so concerned with making sure I hit a certain time on each workout or a certain amount of calories burned. Free styling the workouts in that aspect is so much better
Whoever puts knurling on their smart gym equipment will win Coop heart.
Hahaha! 👊
Yes
For the price of that Tonal thing, it should be Platinum and knurled lol
Coop should name his smart home gym company Knurl
@@shifter8207 I second that motion.
The software is bullshit for me, no need to have a screen or an annoying "personal trainer"... I like the Tonal idea because I want a functional trainer in a tiny space but screw their subscription and digital crap...
I feel this exactly. The button press to load the weight in position is awesome. The mandatory subscription not so much.
I'm roughly in this boat as well, but I'd love two things:
1. Go ahead and keep the digital stuff, but do it locally - keep things like workout history and whatnot on the device itself, and have the user select a profile when they first start it up.
2. Offer a subscription service that gives access to predefined routines and whatnot, but the possible workouts available with the device should just be in a library, and allow the user to set up schedules - IE: "Back Day" - add in your own exercises from the full library of exercises you can perform, etc etc.
3. The subscription model can also do smart progressive increases - based on your usage, automatically increase over time based on your progression level. When operating locally, it can just be "continue where you left off", and it's on you to increase/decrease as necessary.
@@drakan They need user select a profile as multiple people may be using the same piece of equipment.
I was certain this was going in a “Dear smart home gyms……add knurling” direction
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And no stickers!
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My wife has a tonal, I started using it as a cable machine. Works brilliantly as a supplement to my traditional weights. It’s like having access to all the cable machines in a well equipped gym.
For “most people” that use it 7 times a year this would be great lol
Got em
not true i use my peloton bike 4x a week at least and the app for a yoga/meditation/floor workout 6x a week so idk ab that not saying i dont like “real” gym equipment because obv i use and love my bench and powerrack and trx a lot
No wonder they were out of stock for so long, Rogue is out here manufacturing in slow motion
That, sir, is hilarious.
Looking at a screen while training would be a shitty 'experience' to me.
I mean, this isn't really different from many class-based training (CrossFit, HIIT training, Boot Camp, Spin Class, Orange Theory, etc.). Not saying those are great experiences for you, but you tend to look at the coach / trainer to make sure you are doing the movement correctly. Once you know what you're doing, you tend to not look at the trainer as much, so your eye can wander... but this whole thing pre-supposes you want a coach / trainer and not just a workout written in a notebook that you do by yourself.
@@RocketSauce666 Yeah, I understand it's for a certain audience that can't afford a PT, but let's be honest, someone who joins a gym class, experiences way more joy, motivation and better feedback than someone at home, staring at a screen.
@@the_notorious_bas ronnie on a treadmill while watching tv on a bigass CRT in zoobas forever
Call me crazy, but I have a tonal, and I simply turn around.
@@the_notorious_bas
I don't know about feedback as many class instructors aren't exactly great trainers + the "class" has so many individuals and the training session is going so fast that it's hardly possible to really focus on anyone's form anyway.
That being said, a PT is not as expensive as you may think, yes it's really expensive per hour but the goal is that you actually learn things in those few hours instead of just listening to a prerecorded video or a person who's screaming for the whole class.
I have a smart phone and a smart watch, that's enough tech for me. The rest solid iron. : )
I recently visited my brother-in-law and I used their Tonal every day I was there. At first I was skeptical but I 100% agree now that these smart gyms are the future. I'm personally going to have my own normal gym but I could see the average person buying these.
I bought a Pro-Form treadmill in October of 2020, it came with a three-year membership to iFIT, I started using the membership the day of the purchase and I did not receive the treadmill until December 2020. I have used the software almost daily along with the treadmill and my “dumb” weights, Pilates and yoga accessories. I may be an exception to the rule but I already know that when my three years are up I will renew the membership. It has been an amazing trip so far, I went from being very sedentary to jogging for 20 minutes at a time and I owe that to the trainers from iFIT and my motivation to become fit for my 60th birthday. I’ve lost over 30 pounds and I feel better than I have in many years.
I think "smart home gyms" and "dumb home gyms" serve totally different markets. Smart home gym owners do it for health and wellness. They get it in, get out, and get on with their lives. Dumb home gym owners do it as a hobby. They have a passion for a certain type of lifting; whether it be power lifting, weight lifting, body building, whatever, but the equipment is a means to that end that smart home gyms currently don't offer.
Well said!
Smartgyms are for narcissistic who need to share everything about themselves on social media.
Real gym is for those who value health and fitness, unless they are there with a camera, same narcissists
Me lift weights, nice and simple, just how I like it.
I disagree, at least for me personally I work out as a hobby and really like the idea of a smart home gym that can track my progress and make data backed decisions to push me farther and help meet my goals
It's just the subscription and 200 lb Max that kill it for me.
Nothing will beat the good ol' barbell and weights
I only use barbell for three lifts now. Squats, cleans and deadlifts. Everything else is dumbbells or cables. Just a personal preference, but unilateral lifts for life.
@@h.a.l.3980 Cables for life, the time under tension is insane
@@h.a.l.3980 what about bench lmao
@@ISB97 Dumbbell press? I prefer it to bench and it doesn't require a spotter.
@@h.a.l.3980 I meant Barbell
Your 100% correct. I have a home gym, mostly Rogue. I am looking at adding some cardio equipment, and while I like the look of Peloton, when I found out they charged a monthly fee I declined. I am okay paying for the hardware and software in advance, but not being tied to a monthly fee
A BOT spotter that yells "all you bro, i didn't even help"
bonus if its bender from futurama
Nothing beats real oldskul weights
Useless crap that become clothes hangers.
Great Video Sir, as a UI designer I have been banging the drum about fusing tech with the hard wear we already use.
Great to hear a lot of people feel the same way.
No smart gym for me....Just plain dumb iron for this guy is definitely the way to go
Just buy equipment for what you need it for and use your phone to add your favorite workout soundtracks and go to town on your workouts. Stay consistent, keep track and watch yourself improve!
You nailed it. This is all of my gripes with smart home gyms. I went and tested a Tonal, and the creaking and plastic were a deal breaker (granted, they did update the hardware model to use less plastic, but still too much creaking). Just like the IoT industry, I think this is gonna explode with smartifying existing gym equipment.
Anyway, good open video to the industry. Nice work.
A lot of good points, particularly the "subscription optional" part. some people just want a decent/convenient piece of equipment without unnecessary bells and whistles (screens, bluetooth, wifi, cameras, etc)
Wow this channel got big!
I remember finding this a year ago when the pandemic started - to find some decent equipment online, the channel had maybe 20k subscribers now it's at 263k, great job!
I agree with your overall sentiment that gyms will have more options to make them "smarter," but I think the bigger crowd that wants that is not who views this channel. Tonal and all the rest that get these huge valuations do it by appealing to the masses who do not really take fitness seriously, and see a gadget as the solution to their problems. They aren't concerned with nice hardware because they aren't comparing hardware, they're buying the product after being wow'd by an advertisement that promises them the results they want, and shows them how the product will achieve that for them. This is the crowd that made bowflex a household name despite janky hardware. It works every time.
The other thing about hardware is that when you compare a home gym product to a freemotion commercial piece, you're just miles apart on cost, and you're not taking into account the huge touchscreen missing on that freemotion. All the money these home fitness companies spend is on the software dev. If they had to make nice hardware too, the price just keeps going up.
On integrating with existing equipment--it's a hard problem to solve. The reason tech works so well with these standalone machines is that all of the variables are controlled. If someone had to make a system that monitored your workouts including all of the various pieces of equipment and workout variations possible, plus accounting for the size of space you might move in, the solutions become a lot more limited. You could add sensors to barbells and dumbbells, but what about when you're doing box jumps or pushups? How are those tracked? You basically need a camera system capable of detecting every movement and logging what is a workout activity, and what is just moving between pieces of equipment. Really tough problem.
The points he’s making are all great. Subscriptions suck, hardware needs to match the software quality perfect
In my experience, my home gym is a disconnection from the tech-influenced outside world. It gives me time to think, plan my upcoming day, and have time to myself. I cannot say whether or not smart home gyms are the future, but I will be sticking to my traditional weights.
"Subscriptions absolutely suck!" When is the new IPhone coming out? It's somewhat, or not even somewhat, like Rocky v Drago Training. The tech footprints are awesome but it better last and since it's in my house I better be able to use it how I want, when I want for free.
In Coop's Tonal video, a comment number crunched the total cost for the product after a year to be $4,100. That's with 200lb max resistance. Even a crappy Olympic barbell can handle 500lb, and adding that much weight in plates, a sturdy power rack, adjustable bench, lat pulldown machine, loadable dumbbell handles, and horse stall mats will likely fall around $1-2k. That's well under half the price.
Training consistency has always been the primary factor of reaching your fitness goals, and smart home gyms look to address that in a big way with its compact, automated tech. However, it is still a skill to be honed; the classic "barbell+rack & novice-to-intermediate program" combo has a steeper learning curve, but tens of thousands of lifters have crossed the threshold of peak general fitness with it.
Coop can you see yourself moving to this? I can’t see myself losing my traditional weight room we all know.
When tech can track my bar velocity, reps, and automatically record my weights in a logbook of sorts while I can use a typical power rack, bar, and plates, I'll definitely switch over. As long as it enhances the experience and not detract. The goal in my opinion is for tech to remove friction from my training. I just want to focus on the work, AI can focus on everything else.
@@GarageGymReviews makes total sense! With how fast technology is moving, I can see us switching to more of this type of equipment sooner than later! Thanks for the reply man!
@@LukesGarageGym LOL, I can still use a log or a bucket full of dirt to still put on muscle. Why do I need stupid mirrors that talk to me ? LOL, the world turning into soyboys and BETABOYs.
@@GarageGymReviews But at what price, how much would something like that cost? I couldn't see people wanting to buy somethinglike that if it cost 5k pluse.
But than again I did spend 800$ on a rack lol
I’m happy to be able to build the gym I have and create my content based of what I got. Would love to upgrade in the future. Crazy how much is at our finger tips for us home gym users.
I love this!! For me; I spent quarantine amassing a sweet “dumb gym,” that does everything I need it to with 0 wasted space. I’m a tech junkie at heart- but smart home gym equipment will have to be REALLY GOOD and innovative for me to spend the money and the square footage on an additional piece of equipment. I’m excited to watch what’s next!!
Well if like Pelaton with earnings of 1 billon and a net loss it won't be here for long.
I love technology. I think there is a ton of motivational value in the gamification of fitness, and useful data for athletes. That said, nothing about the current gen of smart gym equipment excites me. Also, I'm at a computer sometimes 10 hours a day for work; my gym is in many ways an escape from tech.
If you need to have a gimmick to get you motivated to get off your ass and get in shape you are a pathetic waste of space.
I am so glad you addressed the fact that the Peloton Tread harmed those children. I know people say, “wHeRe WeRe ThE pArEnTs??” But seriously, the couldn’t put the basic safety standards of treadmills from the 90’s? Hardware AND safety matters. Also imagine the worst case scenario and eliminate the possibility.
For right now, I feel activity trackers are the best when it comes to tech by means of the things they have the ability to track. But that doesn’t mean treadmills, bikes, rowers, elliptical etc can’t have a fancy high tech screen. Thinking about it, it’s already come a long way since phone charger ports and fans
Coop! So on target I absolutely agree with you. I am studying business strategy and lots of good points you are bringing there. Personally, I own lots of Rogue stuff but I complement with a subscription to peloton digital something like 10$/month and I think its a prett good deal for what I get. All this said, home gym is the future and I will never sell my hardware except to get better one. What a great video, GGR is really my favourite channel on YT. Keep it up
Coop on 6/15/21 says “Smart home gym are the future” good to look out for. I’ll stick to my Barbell and Dumbbells for now.
Subscriptions do SUCK! #wHoOp….
I work for an iot device design firm and we're already working with some of these large producers to make smart version of their products (or additional products utilizing machine vision like the MIT one). I think they're all mostly already working on your recommendations! some of them have been working on these awhile
Hard pass. I don't really even care what they "bring to the table" in terms of options. I absolutely don't want network enabled workout gear.
What you don't want something that can be hacked?
@@bmstylee Lots of things can be hacked, but less devices means less entry points. Often they use really terrible SoC devices that don't ever even get new firmware.
@@teslafreak lol reminds me of how Gilfoyle hacked all the smart refrigerators in Silicon Valley.
I just imagined being pinned to a bench with 600 pounds of resistance hacked into the bar, and squirmed a bit.
@@GutsBatman I felt that last night. It's called a 230lb guy getting heavy on you in side control.
Coop if you don't finish painting around your garage door I'M GONNA GO FRIGGIN' CRAZY
It won't matter, I'm moving in a few weeks lol
I see smart equipment as a good option for casual users, but enthusiasts don't need gimmicks they just want good equipment
I could see a smart barbell tracker and camera helping a person just starting out with compounds. Replaces the need for a trainer by the Big Box Globogyms...but I will stick to my own iron in my basement
Trainer and globogym is an oxymoron.
@@bmstylee LOL, valid point. I meant someone just starting out and a "trainer" they pay minimum wage at at a Globogym
well said. Now don't leave us when one of these major corps pick you up as a consultant.
I found your channel because of the Tonal review. I'm a techy and prioritize ease of use, minimalism, and functionality. Tonal is the minimalist, techy version of Freemotion(favorite till Tonal). I can stomach the not as solid hardware with creaking as long as it's durable when handled well.
We currently have a Peleton and it's used constantly as compared to the standalone spin bike we had and sold. The competitive aspect is a huge motivator and progress tracking/record breaking.
It is not going to be as durable; that is the problem. And the tech is not that valuable.
Coop, this is your finest edition yet. Congratulations
Excellent video! I have went all in on the home gym and I use it one to three times a day, it's fantastic! I certainly don't have some of the great equipment that you have in your gym, but it's been a slow build and the online training is remarkable. I went into the Icon Fitness ecosystem with iFit, my only complaint is that some of their equipment is somewhat cheap. Even they're more expensive NordicTrack brands, with $2,000 sticker prices, I've had poor experience is with. The fact that the subscription goes from one piece of equipment to another, on the same subscription was very appealing to me when purchasing equipment over the last 18 months. Your perspective on the Kaiser, is 100% accurate that bike is fantastic and if I wasn't into the ecosystem with iFit, I would probably have purchased a Kaiser spinning bike.
The other thing that is frustrating is subscriptions to multiple vendors, the hydro is a spectacular rowing machine and yet the idea of paying an additional $40 or $50 a month to another company, just makes the whole home workout experience that much more expensive.
Coop your content is always spot-on and your videos are entertaining! Thanks for the hours of great content!
Since COVID I’ve found my workout requirements do not require a communal experience.
Thats the biggest thing. I do miss the atmosphere and its harder to simulate some of the exercises with bands and calisthenics. But the pandemic proved that you dont necessarily need the gym
I am a 71 year old woman who has always worked out. As a single mom when I was younger I used videos to work out too. I have a Nordic Track Fusion machine since 2018 and have loved it. I golf and it definitely help my overall strength. You are exactly correct that manufactures need to work on their software if they want the subscriptions to continue and people not hating to pay for them.
I like the thought of "teching" the hardware we already have.
@7:48 This right here , SMART COMPANIES, is the most important message of this video.
The adjustable dumbbell market can totally add smarts to their stuff, but first work out the kinks first because they tend to break when they get dropped.
I had the same idea, you put the dumbbells down and it automatically changes the weights, you don't have to even move your hands during the entire workout, but how lazy do you have to be to buy that
@@yousifyounan6579 You would be surprised how lazy people are. I mean, half the time people don't rerack their weights. If it is better, and more durable than the adjustables on the market, I am sure people would buy it.
@@bacawaka2813 true true. My own invention that I made when I was like 11 was cables but they get harder and easier depending on your strengh during the lift, so liek your bench press goes from 135 going up to 150 going down, sonething like that is an improvement from regular gym equipment so I would defo buy. It
I will never pay for a subscription for gym equipment I own. If i wanted that I would have stayed in a commercial gym.
Don't forget commercial gyms can buy this smart equipment as well. They will get volume discounts etc and put them into their gyms. They can distribute the cost of the equipment and subscriptions across a larger group, cut some personal trainers / live classes to offset costs. Right back to commercial gyms being a very good option for a lot of people...
Maybe the future of fitness for people who don’t look like they lift
I think smart home gym equipment will be great for those with smaller homes as they can do a tonne of things with a smaller footprint. Also, there is a large market for folks who want to stay healthy but are intimidated by strength training/power lifting/weight lifting.
In addition, the smart equipment provides the option to "stay connected" to others in the comforts of their own home, because some people really require the motivation/sense of community to work out.that is something which has proved invaluable during this pandemic.
Definitely agree that there is a huge market in the future.
Does it work if the power is out?
I agree with you on a lot of points Coop.
-*Better hardware:* Heck yes, I get a special tingle when I use a well made/ machined product
-*Smart Tech:* Definitely will creep up with popularity for the average person
However those who buy gym memberships and only go for a month
&
Iron Addicts
are two groups that I really don't see being sold on the idea, but hey, what product is targeted to 100% of people.
I’m betting on gym for a month people being the primary market. Which fits with pretty looking but low quality builds. Most will get used a handful of times and then just sit unused collecting subscription fees.
Once the software matures, I can’t imagine these devices sticking around. They’re all just a screen and an app bolted to mediocre equipment, screens are cheap and apps are incredibly prone to competition. There’s nothing to stop google or apple from popping out a $100 device/software package that works with any equipment you might have. And mirror is even worse. No integration needed, just an app on any of the devices you already own. Just an update to google fit.
This is why I invest in workout equipment that doesn’t require fancy tech or the internet to work. Examples are dumbbells and a TRX suspension strap set. I can use an app to help me through the moves.
Some people love the commercial gym atmosphere. Myself hate it I love being able to look how I want to look a complete sweaty mess in the comfort of my own home. No distractions, no people taking secret pictures/videos of you, no one coming up to you to share small talk. Working out at home is the way for me even with a monthly subscription
Anyone who buys this stuff didn’t wanna lift in the first place
Maybe, maybe not. I am more old school, but ultimately if it causes ppl to workout that normally wouldnt then its a net positive. The conventional ways will always be there for ppl who go that route. Nothing wrong w ppl using this if they can afford it
Coop I'd love it if something like perch could integrate with zoom. That way the trainer will have access to all the metrics in real time.
Definitely is a big opportunity for movement tracking technology that analyzes and breaks down technique, offers recommendations and collects velocity data and eventually rates rpe accurately
I absolutely love the Perch idea and can’t wait to see the evolution of it!
im fine with high tech weights, just as long as there is zero internet connectivity. I don't want my workout data being sold to other corporations or whatever nefarious schemes you can think of. blue tooth from barbell to phone and that's it.
nobody cares about your average stats lol
we do see some devices you can add to barbells or make them built in to track velocity so I think that would be something great and coaches can video a velocity spectrum on their lifts to hit and give an audio queue.
Most people want to get fit. They just don't know how. I'm all for this type of equipment. It's only going get better.
Smart integration will definitely expand drastically. I agree with pretty much all points Coop is making here. One thing I’ve been saying for a while is that manufacturers should focus on software and eliminating “useless” add-on’s to their equipment. Meaning that I would feel a lot better about my ROI if a Peloton was made better in lieu of having a screen, and all I had to do would be to connect my smart TV/phone/tablet to their app (sensors aren’t that expensive anymore, in order to Bluetooth data) and the bike. So instead of giving me a large screen, make sure my bike will be as solid as my echo bike. No?
If I wanted a bike, I’d go for the Keiser M3i and use the Peloton app for $13/mo. As a bike, Keiser is superior to Peloton’s offerings.
@@VincentPascual 100%! I don’t own a Peloton, was just a general reference. My Echo bike is absolutely perfect for what I need it for :)
Why not use your echo bike and get an app to help you?
@@rlkinnard the onboard timers and targets on the echo are good for me. I don’t see any shortcomings with it, quite the contrary. I was mentioning it based on its built quality.
Adding tech just makes me people lazy… it’s not the future of fitness
"Future of the fitness industry", perhaps. Like Bowflex and similar were the past.
Since I already have everything I need in my home gym I’m not the target market. But I do think they’re the future, especially for people who are want to be fitter/stronger but are not into the power lifts. People like my brother-in-law or my girlfriend, who are intimidated by a barbell squat, would benefit from this stuff.
There is no replacement for a barbell, a rack, and heavy weight. Soccer moms & dudes with a midlife crisis will love these, but I want none of that shit.
@@TrishTheDish2024 a couple sand bags, farmers handles, or a prowler. Works pretty good.
@@TrishTheDish2024 willing to bet barbell conditions you better than a screen game.
@@TrishTheDish2024 wtf kinda argument is that? Nothing is stopping you from going on a run or buying a 3$ skipping rope lmfao
I love my Bowflex max trainer and my Peloton bike as my cardio go to.
I’d be interested in tech integrated with my Rogue rack.
smart home gyms are a fad, they don't make actual lifts more intuitive or easier. They make the planet fitness type of people feel more motivated. that's it
It might be interesting if an AI could observe you and give you pointers and motivation while you are training.
That and the pencil necks in silicone valley and wall street
@@thejuice33 I inadvertently admitted that. Most people don't know how to lift, that's why planet fitness is so popular and why it's such a mass market appeal to have these motivational pieces of equipment. But you also have to realize they are trying to compete and say they are in the same segment as rogue titan rep etc. If they want to be the upgraded high tech version of the home gym, they need to be in line with the actual home gym manufacturers like rogue. Otherwise it's just a fad. Just because most people don't know how to lift doesn't mean they shouldn't know how to. crossfit was massively successful in teaching weightlifting movements to the mass. These home gym start ups should be using this "tech" for that purpose
people said the internet and ecommerce was a "fad" too. until it became mainstream. this is dinosaur mentality. evolve or die bro
@@nottheone582 they haven't reinvented the wheel, they haven't replaced barbells and weights. try again. You should catch up with the times yourself
You brought up great points, Might not agree with everyone, but you definitely hit the nail on the head on most 👍🏼
Time to invest in JuggernautAI and get their devs to do a Home Gym focus
Best programming ever
I totally agree about the subscription fees. I ended up buying a fairly inexpensive exercise bike. I really wanted a peloton, not because the bike is the best, but because the classes are amazing. But if for some reason I have to cancel or pause the subscription, the bike would become nearly useless...and I cannot risk having a large peice of equipment(that cost $2600) just sitting taking up space as a decoration.
If I knew the option had been there to still use the bike with at least a handful of rides types for free...I would have jumped right on buying one. Amd would have paid for the subscription as well. So redicilous that a sub of about 45/month is the only way to get any use at all out of any of these devices!
I use the Peloton app without the bike for only $13/mo. I’m looking into getting a Keiser M3i. As a bike, it’s superior to Peloton’s offerings. And I could still take Peloton’s classes. Even if I stopped using the Peloton app, I could still use the Keiser bike with another app or on its own.
A fool and his money are easily separated.
Some people can't afford it and so they just don't get it.
I personally own a bowflex revolution and I feel it’s the right mix of smart home gym versatility and not needing all the tech in my face
This is the typical buys it thinking it’s cool and then just sits on the wall type of thing 😂
I don’t even have a proper home gym (just a pull up bar, rings, and a kettlebell) but I still feel I can do more exploratory and productive work with those tools than I would using this stuff. There’s so much that can be done with “dumb” weights! Plus, we get smarter ourselves as athletes and lifters when we explore for ourselves.
This will never be the future for me. I enjoy free weights and bodybuilding machines too much. I value a full space dedicated to a specific activity, and most of all I know my way around a training plan+I know my body. I also hate subscriptions and payments. I could totally see this being the mainstream future, but it's not for me (and likely not for many in this community).
Rogue with software tech that utilizes the equipment you already own... You're a freaking genius, Coop.
These smart gyms are overpriced junk equipment that’s worthless without the ridiculously priced subscription. My dumb weights will provide fitness for whoever is willing to put in the work and pick them up. And probably long after I’m dead too. And no subscription.
Preach brother. These things are dumb and built for rich housewives.
100% agree, bricking the devices without a subscription is ridiculous. I think they'd find a lot more customers if they allowed people to use them without.
I think they’re all a load of bologna, just rich people finding ways to make money off of other rich people.
I agree. Eventually they will realize you can't buy gains or buy back their youth.
Its spelled Bologna
I love the idea of incorporating tech into existing hardware. I specifically like tech that can gauge and report on my performance, form, etc. HATE subscriptions and I hate following along with a specified routine.
Real steel ,for REAL MEN.
"Subscriptions absolutely suck!" hahaha so true, Coop!
The only thing I want to see in a smart home gym is a 3D camera that recognizes and corrects form, nothing else. I don't want this futuristic shit. Like in cars, all these new features are taking away from the experience of driving a car, the same will happen to gyms which is sad.
Yeah, we don't need entertained at all times. Let us actually enjoy life- hyper stimulation is ruining relaxation
@@fatboitino2 I REALLY like the idea of the Perch/Tempo systems, better ways of tracking, but using my (admittedly small) collection of gear that I already have. I do feel like I have a problem with bar speed (I'm usually going way too slow, I might have to lighten up for a few weeks and get that where it needs to be, it could be because I'm lifting heavier than I can, if that makes any sense.)
@@msihcs8171 Yeah, that kind of thing can certainly be helpful. However, I think some of these items are focused too much on the smart side- and are getting away from how their innovations can actually enhance training
@@fatboitino2 I get what you're saying, I don't want one nagging at me, I just want it to record what I'm doing. I have a Smart-style HIIT trainer, I might get a similar setup for steady-state cardio, I usually get bored after 15 minutes or so unless I'm running outside.
For lifting the main feature that I'd want is the ability to turn off the screen etc if I feel like just lifting like I do right now.
I like old school gyms.....
A dungeon with 10kg and 20kg Cast iron plates and 6ft standard rod and dumbles
One stand for pull-ups etc etc
One thing smart gym can’t replicate is the clanking of the plates on the bar. This stuff is for casuals and normies. No real lifter is using this.
Open up those gates, my man. There's plenty of space in the market for this and the financing can also drive into more traditional fitness equipment if the big players jump in.
@@deadapostle like I said it’s for causals and normies. I have no doubt it will be successful just not respectable.
love the mkbhd style of videos, keep it up!!
Whatever fitness program someone wants to use is generally a good thing. Not everyone can or need to lift iron. Kudos to all those that found their jam, whatever that maybe. It sure beats sitting sedentary.
Most Definitely, knurling is going to be the go to smart gym. Integrating existing equipment with smart software is the winner COOP 🏆👌👏
The editing is becoming insanely good!
Coop, you brought up some good points. I believe this is the future, but I also agree with you that the equipment quality could be improved. I didn't know that the Tonal creeks when you use it. That alone would drive me nuts. As far as the subscription goes maybe let people opt-in quarterly or when they get tired of the exercise videos.
I’ve been working out my entire life. Cables, Smith machines, free weights, just about anything you can think of. and the tonal is by far the quietest piece of equipment I have ever used. BY FAR… and as I play music right from the machine itself, I literally hear nothing but the music.
The thing about most smart home gyms though (from someone who doesn't have one and may never be able to afford one) is that they seem quite focused towards the types of people who just prefer classes (spin/zumba/crosstraining?) or would only go into the gym with a trainer, to just pounding the iron in the free-weights area. I guess it's the interactive side of it.
I don't know how they would be able to incorporate free weights or that kind of training into something you might just bolt onto the wall...
I really like the camera idea if you can use it to study your form, isolate your weaker/slower zones of a lift, and would be especially interested if it could then suggest things you can do in your training which will help you improve that lift (either from a strength or flexibility standpoint).
I think you're right about home gyms becoming the future though. After over a year, most gym regulars have invested in some kind of equipment to satisfy their needs and, while it isn't the same as going in the gym it has been long enough that most of us have got used to it now.
Coop, they can build goal or performance subscriptions.
12 week lifting plan, 4 week squat plan. Let me pick a plan that fills an objective I want to accomplish