"some heroes don't wear capes" but seriously though i need to get a game cube controller to be able to do this kinda of tech or at least a smash box/smash stick
Heyy Trixx this should be an interesting video, know I said it before but love your channel man as a falco main it's awesome having someone at there doing content to highlight his better aspects and helps me mix my own style with your tech. Falco has been getting alot of love as well on the pro side with Larry Lurr playing him alot more now and doing really well using up tilt bairs and side b bairs to deal with killing. So I'm hoping we finally get a buff to fix nair or lasers and cause alot more people to finally see the advantages of falco. His combo game is insane but lacks killing options but that could easily be solved. but I'm rambling great video man keep it up :-)
Trixx thanks for these videos, right now I'm trying to master jokers up throw up air fast fall grab combo. (I'm sure there's a word for it but I don't know it.) Thanks these videos really help a bunch!
Hi I come to this game quite late but this has been removed? If I hold down before hitting the short hop or normal hop/ jump button I don’t get the fast fall!
With joker having a super strong first hit n-air, I've been trying to figure out how to land them consistently. Thanks for the tip!! I mean to say fair. Sorry for the confusion.
@@HopperDragon he was probably talking about his fair. jokers nair is a single hit. his fair how ever is like cpt. falcon nair and the first hit leads into a good kill confirm for joker.
I don't understand when you mean hold the stick down during the entirety of the shorthop, because the only way it's been work for me is when you start holding down on the stick at the height of the shorthop
Normally you can't buffer fast fall, you have to do it at right time after peak of jump. This method in video basically lets you buffer fast fall, because it auto does the fast fall right when you put out the fair, uair, or bair
I can't seem to be able to get it to work? I'm holding down the entire time, short hopping then inputting an aerial on c stick, but I don't get a fast fall. What am I missing?
Update: I realized the difference! You can't do this with the short hop macro, you need to short hop THEN input the aerial on c stick at near the apex of the jump and it'll execute with a fast fall
@@damajicdonut I think the difference is that you need to do the aerial _after_ the apex / on the way down since you can't fast fall during the rising portion of a jump.
wow, I've been trying to figure out how to do sheik loops by pressing up on the control stick to do up airs and then quickly press down to fast fall. I managed to do like one fast fall up air this way once but it seemed impractically difficult so I kinda gave up on sheik. think I'll give it another go now.
this doesnt make much sense, i need help. when im holding down on the left stick and i short hop by pressing the jump button with the attack button with it, i always end up short hop dair'ing no fast fall at all. can someone help?
you dont short hop and attack.you jump and press the c stick in either left up or right direction at the same time.the video isnt very clear at all.he didnt even mention that your c stick must me set up to tilt for this to work
You use the c stick to attack. With the c stick it can register whatever direction you choose. Example in his fox clip he is holding down on the left stick, jumps with the shoulder button and then presses the c stick forward while still holding down in the left stick. Because he is holding the left stick down, when he presses the c stick during his jump, he will fast fall
@@GoatKnife your c stick does not have to be set to tilt. The C Stick will always perform directional aerials regardless of if it's set to smash or tilt.
I’ve been able to pull it off, but it isn’t super consistent. Now it may be my controller, but I don’t seem to get it first try. Sometimes I do it first and second tries, but fails on the third one:
I main Villager and am having trouble pulling this off with his back air. I guess some moves take too many frames to come out to work easily with short hop+fast fall. During my practice, I could only pull off a back air this way like one out of five times if I was lucky. So it seems the input in some cases still has to be frame perfect, though I guess without this method it would be pretty much impossible
@@danielsuarez8367 I don’t think so, I don’t really use this tech anymore but I think you need to hold down and input the aerial once you reach peak height
Sounds like a good tech; however, bringing up the thing about inputting with 2 jumps for the short hop "for consistency" is silly as that is something that is really easy to have near 100% consistency without the special input.
Is there any way to use this concept with nair with the C stick? it seems to only let me use nair if i use my C stick at the same time as my jump, basically buffering it, but if i want to use nair later to fast fall it, it doesn't work
Hi I don't know what's happening but holding down isnt causing me to fast fall with fairs bairs and uairs has anyone got any ideas of why this is happening?
Jeb Stuart no it's not needed it's just another way of doing it and it can make things a bit more simple since your done need to have strict timing between both of your hands
Hey Trixx, I don’t know if you still respond to comments on this video, but this tech does not seem to work as well if you are not using a fast faller. It seems that you only use fast fallers in this video. Do you have any tips for using floatier characters. For example I am using Mario bair.
Sorry if I'm missing the obvious here, but does this work with RAR B-Airs? Input seems to get a lot more complicated if you want to keep forward momentum
Yes it can but it's a little more complex as you said. All your inputs are the same for the rar bair but while traveling through the air you need to hold down and slightly in the direction that you are traveling. A bit harder but defs worth ingraining in your muscles memory
@@lerobodoge5585 Damn, I dunno man. I cant seem to re-create the problem you're getting. What I'm doing is using both jump buttons at the same time to guarantee the short hop, and I have tilt attack on c-stick. When I hold down on left stick, hit both jump buttons while still holding down, and then at the top of the short hop I move the c-stick left or right or up and it auto aerial attack + fast fall every time for me. I'm holding down on the left stick for the whole time.
@@giggitygiggitygigism Sorry for a late response but I didn't know pressing both jump buttons guarantees short hop, I will try that later and see if the problem still happens.
Meta Of Smash thank you I didn’t realize I wasn’t supposed to buffer the aerial but this helps out a lot because I am also a falco main and I had a hard time landing falling uair
So idk if I'm doing something wrong, but this doesn't work? As far as I know there's 3 ways to fast fall, light tap, both jumps at once, jump and attack at the same time. I tried holding down for each of these methods and it changed nothing about their fall speed or jump height. The fast fall only comes out when inputted at the peak of the short hop. Everybody in the comments says you helped them so I'm going to grain of salt this and assume I'm doing something wrong, but following your instructions I'm not seeing any change in my short hops.
It only works at the apex of your jump. If you do are buffered equal l aerial it won't work. Hold down on left stick the whole time > Short hop > wait until at peak of jump > input c stick aerial. Up air fair or bair. And it'll work.
I feel like 5 seconds is a bit long for an intro. Also I have a lot of trouble visualising what you mean- a controller cam or even your inputs written out would help a lot!
this isnt frame perfect, its always 1 frame late from being perfect. it inputs the FF on the frame after the aerial. so basically althought this is very very good to use, it is actually the only way you will never get a frame perfect fast fall
Seriously what the fuck the timing for this and why do the people that get this never reply to all the posts asking for help. Seriously, im about fucking snap my controller in half.
It's really not that difficult tbh, you just hold down on the control stick. Do a short hop. Then at the apex of the jump input an aerial with the c stick. Anything other than dair. Hold down the control stick during the entire series of other inputs.. Don't break your controller
This is pretty useless if you want to be nair-ing like Captain falcon fast-fall Nair you can't input with this. I guess if you attack cancel in place but that's useless.
You got any tips on this? I'm practicing Luigi Zero to death combo and can do most of it perfectly. However I struggle with the fast fall up air. I end up jumping on accident or do the normal aerial
@@luchovargas9357 no unfortunately I'm pretty bad at it myself hence looking at these videos. I think doing it slow and maybe even in slow motion would help to get muscle memory in. Visualize your finger inputs before hand. Do without controller. Lmk if this helps
THIS IS WHATS BEEN HOLDING ME BACK. I have been lightly tapping jump button for a short hop... Thanks man. This changes everything
Wait so how do you short hop consistently? He said something about 2 buttons?? I have the damnedest time pushing it light enough
@@paragon1782 you have to set one of your buffer buttons to jump
Trixx you are the legend that the community does not deserve.
Thanks man 👍 I'm just trying to do my part 😜
This is really useful to land Captain Falcon's Knees consistently
You just completely boosted me from an above average player to actually being kinda good at the game holy shit
Ive been playing the game since 2020 and just now learned that FFSH tech OMG it makes life so much easier thank you Trixx😭
"some heroes don't wear capes" but seriously though i need to get a game cube controller to be able to do this kinda of tech or at least a smash box/smash stick
Not needed
Literally all you need is to not use single joycon
Heyy Trixx this should be an interesting video, know I said it before but love your channel man as a falco main it's awesome having someone at there doing content to highlight his better aspects and helps me mix my own style with your tech. Falco has been getting alot of love as well on the pro side with Larry Lurr playing him alot more now and doing really well using up tilt bairs and side b bairs to deal with killing. So I'm hoping we finally get a buff to fix nair or lasers and cause alot more people to finally see the advantages of falco. His combo game is insane but lacks killing options but that could easily be solved. but I'm rambling great video man keep it up :-)
Joseph Oldoni Fix lasers and his up smash. If he had an up smash like Fox then hed be amazing. Falco is my main too!
I appreciate the support man! And yeah I feel like falco has a very bright future after the patch 👍
Trixx thanks for these videos, right now I'm trying to master jokers up throw up air fast fall grab combo. (I'm sure there's a word for it but I don't know it.) Thanks these videos really help a bunch!
Finally something to help me on jokers combo starters thanks
Happy to help!
This solves a lot of problems for me, thank you so much
Anthony Szymkowiak glad to have been able to help!
I've got some problems with that tecniche. Thx for the videos. It always help me so much
I’m in awe right now playing as joker and realizing how much he can combo because of this
I’ve been looking for this! Thank you!
Oml i cant begin to tell you how much trouble ive been having with joker fair 1 before watching this tysm
the community doesn't deserve you trixx you are the best, let's hope they buff the bird !
Thanks man! And I hope so too
this tech is KEY thanks for the vid man
You are literally pushing the entire meta in the controls department
Me: *aggressively holding down while jumping*
Game : "Fly, you fool"
Hitting low-as-possible up airs is how you pressure shield as effectively and as safely as possible.
I feel blessed to know your channel honestly
Kicookies I appreciate it man!
Thanks a lot as a Falco main that’s really useful!!
Hi I come to this game quite late but this has been removed? If I hold down before hitting the short hop or normal hop/ jump button I don’t get the fast fall!
This is going to be sick for brawler
so, the easiest way to do this is with this setup:
shoulder button preferably L, jump
high stick sensitivity (?)
c-stick tilts
mannn I’ve been needing to know this for the longest lmao
With joker having a super strong first hit n-air, I've been trying to figure out how to land them consistently. Thanks for the tip!!
I mean to say fair. Sorry for the confusion.
Harley Chesney I’ve been having trouble with up air loops
This technique doesn't work with nair
@@HopperDragon he was probably talking about his fair. jokers nair is a single hit. his fair how ever is like cpt. falcon nair and the first hit leads into a good kill confirm for joker.
Thanks Trixx, I learned a lot!!!
I don't understand when you mean hold the stick down during the entirety of the shorthop, because the only way it's been work for me is when you start holding down on the stick at the height of the shorthop
yeah me too
Erin Spruill yeah me too
That's just a normal fast fall, i guess i gotta make a follow up video to this...
Normally you can't buffer fast fall, you have to do it at right time after peak of jump. This method in video basically lets you buffer fast fall, because it auto does the fast fall right when you put out the fair, uair, or bair
So button input wise how would this look like?
Down on L-Stick+Short Hop (X+Y)+C-Stick?
Down on L stick, short hop, then around the peak of the jump c stick
@@wajewatermeloned9911 thank you! I needed this comment
Oh this looks fun
Can't wait for more
Thanks for so much information trixx! You are the best!
This is important and needs more notoriety.
A Day In The Lab maybe some day this video will get big
This is great, will definitely be implementing this into my game!
This video is fucking gold. Not nearly popular enough
Thanks so much man really Good video
You can nair with the c stick if you press the c stick diagonally.
This seems really useful, thanks for sharing it
I still can't do it I don't understand
What button should be mapped for the 2nd jump button?
I can't seem to be able to get it to work? I'm holding down the entire time, short hopping then inputting an aerial on c stick, but I don't get a fast fall. What am I missing?
Update: I realized the difference! You can't do this with the short hop macro, you need to short hop THEN input the aerial on c stick at near the apex of the jump and it'll execute with a fast fall
@@damajicdonut I think the difference is that you need to do the aerial _after_ the apex / on the way down since you can't fast fall during the rising portion of a jump.
@@PhilbertLin yeah like do it as soon as u are about to descend so it registers
This helped me a lot
Really solid video, but one minor error. Combo counter does not only count true combos.
What are the best jump buttons to garentee short hop??
For some reason it wasn't working for me. Despite jumping when I held down it doesn't work
Me too. What is it that we are missing?
@@MrRootbeerme Same I am hella confused
wow, I've been trying to figure out how to do sheik loops by pressing up on the control stick to do up airs and then quickly press down to fast fall. I managed to do like one fast fall up air this way once but it seemed impractically difficult so I kinda gave up on sheik. think I'll give it another go now.
Hey, I think I fought you one time online... you're pretty good!
Thanks so much for this video. Unfortunately it doesn't help with nairs, which is what I'm struggling hard with.
But if I get combo’d into that I can just tech, right?
Dotankkk in some cases yes but even if you tech most players will just throw out the move again and catch you sadly
Or you can RX jump to short hop and just fast fall that while hitting the c stick
this ain’t really related to the video but did you see the blue chicken at battle of bc!? His name is Bishly.
this doesnt make much sense, i need help. when im holding down on the left stick and i short hop by pressing the jump button with the attack button with it, i always end up short hop dair'ing no fast fall at all. can someone help?
I have the same problem
you dont short hop and attack.you jump and press the c stick in either left up or right direction at the same time.the video isnt very clear at all.he didnt even mention that your c stick must me set up to tilt for this to work
You use the c stick to attack. With the c stick it can register whatever direction you choose.
Example in his fox clip he is holding down on the left stick, jumps with the shoulder button and then presses the c stick forward while still holding down in the left stick.
Because he is holding the left stick down, when he presses the c stick during his jump, he will fast fall
Thanks for the explanation! I've been trying to decipher this video for two months
@@GoatKnife your c stick does not have to be set to tilt. The C Stick will always perform directional aerials regardless of if it's set to smash or tilt.
Wait so u use a shoulder bumber and XorY together for shorthoping and then the c stick?
zReTuRnZ II yes. I use z and y to auto short hop. Makes this whole thing super easy
Meta Of Smash could you show an example of this
Meta Of Smash also do you play more with gc controller or pro
Hey man, how do I stop keep doing down air instead?
I’ve been able to pull it off, but it isn’t super consistent. Now it may be my controller, but I don’t seem to get it first try. Sometimes I do it first and second tries, but fails on the third one:
Bird god ?
Baron Rivers I'm trying dude 👀
@@MetaTrixx you give me confidence in my choice of BIRD over the secondary and 20xx bois
I didn't do it work right How fix?
does not work for shulks back air :( . He has no time to hit before he lands)
This video is god like
I main Villager and am having trouble pulling this off with his back air. I guess some moves take too many frames to come out to work easily with short hop+fast fall. During my practice, I could only pull off a back air this way like one out of five times if I was lucky. So it seems the input in some cases still has to be frame perfect, though I guess without this method it would be pretty much impossible
I'm using joker and it seems impossible to do these aerials. I'm holding down the left stick while doing a short hop forward air and it's not working.
You need to do it at the apex of the jump
This'll help!
Holy shit this was helpful
Do you keep holding down to fastfall after you've inputted the aerial? thanks.
You don't have to, nope. Once a fats fall starts its locked in!
@@pacoheadley1 yep
@@stephaniecurry45 do you have to change control settings? All it does for me is send me instantly into a down air not fast fall
@@danielsuarez8367 I don’t think so, I don’t really use this tech anymore but I think you need to hold down and input the aerial once you reach peak height
Can you nair if you move the C-Stick diagonally (for the neutral input)?
What is the counter play vs this. I’m playing a ddd that spams nair and it’s literally unpunishable?
Sounds like a good tech; however, bringing up the thing about inputting with 2 jumps for the short hop "for consistency" is silly as that is something that is really easy to have near 100% consistency without the special input.
Is there any way to use this concept with nair with the C stick? it seems to only let me use nair if i use my C stick at the same time as my jump, basically buffering it, but if i want to use nair later to fast fall it, it doesn't work
never mind just saw, doesn't work with nair, sucks!!! hahaha want to do it for a pikachu nair combo
Don’t get it at all as I’m trying to do this as a fair 1 to fair 1 on joker
I know that this video is very old, but is there any way to do something like that with nair?
Sadly no there is not. Dair and nair don’t doing work
@@MetaTrixx thanks for replying on a 5 year old video! You're the GOAT
I’m out here bro 👀 come by the stream tonight. I stream kinda late but the vibes are up!
Can you do this on joycons
Note* only works on falling ariels
It doesn't work. I'm holding down and short hopping with the c stick for forward air
Input c stick at apex of jump. Prob too late but yeah
Hi I don't know what's happening but holding down isnt causing me to fast fall with fairs bairs and uairs has anyone got any ideas of why this is happening?
Found out what went wrong u need c stick as smash see if that works
This is really difficult..
Which is the traditional way for doing fast fall nair? I mean, the timing. I press down at the peak of my jump and then A or first A and then down?
Typically A and then down just to ensure that you don't cancel the end of it
@@MetaTrixx thanks. It is a little bit anoying that a lot of times I get a Dair instead. I guess I just need to improve my timing.
Yeehaw?
Does this work on buffered short hop aerials?
Jeb Stuart check lot out my video on c stick fast fall aerials
I saw that video. Do you need the c-stick method to fast fall a short hop aerial?
Jeb Stuart no it's not needed it's just another way of doing it and it can make things a bit more simple since your done need to have strict timing between both of your hands
Meta Of Smash Thanks now I can just hold down on my control stick during the entirety of my Pichu bread and butter combos
Jeb Stuart glad I could help!
Hey Trixx, I don’t know if you still respond to comments on this video, but this tech does not seem to work as well if you are not using a fast faller. It seems that you only use fast fallers in this video. Do you have any tips for using floatier characters. For example I am using Mario bair.
You need to input the aerial at the top of your jump and it will work with every character 👍
@@MetaTrixx thanks so much
Wait so how do you short hop consistently? He said something about 2 buttons?? I have the damnedest time pushing it light enough
Yes you can push 2 jump buttons at once you get an auto short hop
@@MetaTrixx oh that's extremely useful. Thanks. Might have to change my thumb position a bit to hit y and x perfectly each time. Appreciate you.
Did they patch over this? I'm holding down on the control stick and I'm only performing a normal short hop
Your probably trying to buffer Arial. You need to wait for apex of jump
the word apex if a very important word that i didn't use in this video... Everyone's head exploded literally because of that
Sorry if I'm missing the obvious here, but does this work with RAR B-Airs? Input seems to get a lot more complicated if you want to keep forward momentum
Yes it can but it's a little more complex as you said. All your inputs are the same for the rar bair but while traveling through the air you need to hold down and slightly in the direction that you are traveling. A bit harder but defs worth ingraining in your muscles memory
Doesn't seem to work or help me at all, it only does dair for me with this method and doesn't start fast fall.
Any help?
Are you using the C-stick for your aerial?
@@giggitygiggitygigism Yea, I'm holding down on the left stick and using a shoulder button for jump and the c-stick for attacks.
@@lerobodoge5585 Damn, I dunno man. I cant seem to re-create the problem you're getting. What I'm doing is using both jump buttons at the same time to guarantee the short hop, and I have tilt attack on c-stick. When I hold down on left stick, hit both jump buttons while still holding down, and then at the top of the short hop I move the c-stick left or right or up and it auto aerial attack + fast fall every time for me. I'm holding down on the left stick for the whole time.
@@giggitygiggitygigism Sorry for a late response but I didn't know pressing both jump buttons guarantees short hop, I will try that later and see if the problem still happens.
I’m having issues doing this tech, I hold down on the left stick the whole time ->short hop-> aerial= regular short hop aerial what am I doing wrong
darrius marcum your Arial needs to be at the peak of your short hop. If you do it too early it won't work
darrius marcum join the discordd if you wanna talk about more or anything. I'm going to be in the voice chat
Don’t buffer the aerial
Meta Of Smash thank you I didn’t realize I wasn’t supposed to buffer the aerial but this helps out a lot because I am also a falco main and I had a hard time landing falling uair
Uh, I’m doing the input and it’s not fastfalling. Unless I’m dumb
Delta same thing was happening to me but then I realized I wasn’t tilting the right thumb stick after short hopping
So idk if I'm doing something wrong, but this doesn't work?
As far as I know there's 3 ways to fast fall, light tap, both jumps at once, jump and attack at the same time.
I tried holding down for each of these methods and it changed nothing about their fall speed or jump height. The fast fall only comes out when inputted at the peak of the short hop.
Everybody in the comments says you helped them so I'm going to grain of salt this and assume I'm doing something wrong, but following your instructions I'm not seeing any change in my short hops.
It only works at the apex of your jump. If you do are buffered equal l aerial it won't work. Hold down on left stick the whole time > Short hop > wait until at peak of jump > input c stick aerial. Up air fair or bair. And it'll work.
@@MetaTrixx gotcha. I'll try that in a minute with the double jump short hop in a bit then. Thank you for the clarification
This seems broken for Fox honestly. Nice tech
Sal J. Thanks man. If w can find a way to do nairs with the c stick consistently... It's over lol
Did this get patched?
Noob question, is it possible to do this with Mario? I can do it with palutena but have been trying Mario's fair and never seems to come out
Epic
I don’t understand
I feel like 5 seconds is a bit long for an intro. Also I have a lot of trouble visualising what you mean- a controller cam or even your inputs written out would help a lot!
this isnt frame perfect, its always 1 frame late from being perfect. it inputs the FF on the frame after the aerial. so basically althought this is very very good to use, it is actually the only way you will never get a frame perfect fast fall
I cant understand what your trying to tell us. I feel stupid. Need controller visuals
MAYBE this doesn't apply for the Pro controller. It doesn't work.
the sin you carry is not being part of pro guides
Hmm
It doesn’t wrk 4 me
My music Acc you need to do a late Arial
Seriously what the fuck the timing for this and why do the people that get this never reply to all the posts asking for help.
Seriously, im about fucking snap my controller in half.
It's really not that difficult tbh, you just hold down on the control stick. Do a short hop. Then at the apex of the jump input an aerial with the c stick. Anything other than dair. Hold down the control stick during the entire series of other inputs..
Don't break your controller
This is pretty useless if you want to be nair-ing like Captain falcon fast-fall Nair you can't input with this. I guess if you attack cancel in place but that's useless.
You got any tips on this? I'm practicing Luigi Zero to death combo and can do most of it perfectly. However I struggle with the fast fall up air. I end up jumping on accident or do the normal aerial
@@luchovargas9357 no unfortunately I'm pretty bad at it myself hence looking at these videos. I think doing it slow and maybe even in slow motion would help to get muscle memory in. Visualize your finger inputs before hand. Do without controller. Lmk if this helps