Two Big Mistakes With The Leatherman Curl
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I'm an electrician and this seems like a good lightweight EDC option for someone who wants an easily accessible blade with a decent tool set. Would have preferred scissors, but for me a file is far more useful than a saw or serrated blade.
100% agree a file is after my phillips and the scissor the most used tool over the knife
At this point leathermans are like legos to me, I put the 154cm blade and wood saw from the charge that I never carry(mostly due to its size), onto my curl. It is now exactly the tool I have always wanted with out the excess serrated blade, and file I never used.
Genius 👍
It’s a shame you can’t pay extra to customise from new, however great money making from Leatherman.
The serrated blade saved me when nothing else would cut what I needed cut. That blade cut through stuff so quickly that it scared me!
@@frankhinkle5772 I’m sure some folks find them handy, but I’ve never needed to cut something a sharp plain blade couldn’t handle. I’ve had my charge for almost 10 years and my serrated blade was In like new condition. I did use the gut hook occasionally though.
@@EdcGuru03 I don’t think I’ve ever used my serrated blade, but i do want a second blade on my tool. You did mention that you had no problem cutting with a ‘sharp’ blade, this is why.
From an angler's perspective, the tool is very good. Fine pliers to remove the hook from the fish's mouth, a diamond file to sharpen the hook and with the egg notch at the top of the file you can remove deeply swallowed hooks. And of course the blade to gut the fish everything an angler needs.
Thanks for the info!
You are right with your critique. If the Curl had replaceable wirecutters it might just become the best selling multitool. But I'm beginning to think Leatherman is designing their tools so you can't just have one. I looked through their whole assortment, and with everyone single multitool I always want one or two small changes. Like the Supertool 300(M) needs scissors. Free P2 needs a bit driver and the (Wave+-style) standard wire strippers.
I do metal fabrication and mechanical repair and that file is a very welcome easy access tool in my day to day. I have little to no use for a 3" blade saw. Most of the times I've used it have ended in me walking back to my truck for a larger bahco or silky folding saw. I have used it twice to field fabricate scratch built replacement plastic parts from HDPE cutting boards, but a jigsaw blade would have worked fairly well there as well. Leatherman has tons of new and old 'outdoor adventure' type models and had no compact options for mechanical trades which I think this curl will do well with. You can swap a saw blade in for the file if that better suits your needs. I could have seen a quick access pry bar / scraper / flathead / chisel type tool working well in that spot, but the file works well and I'm glad it was retained on this tool.
A number of the recent Leatherman releases have had some 'weird' tool layouts (eg. large file on outside?). I've said it for some time - Leatherman need to offer a custom build service where they might offer different tool options for a select number of frame options. This would 1) reduce the need for Leatherman to release so many models trying to meet everyone's needs & 2) allow those who really rely on a multi-tool to get a tool that really meets their needs with minimal compromises. Thanks for another useful vid.
What is weird about the big outside file and what is new about it? It's been there since the very first Leatherman tool with outside tools.
@@wo-olf Thanks for comment. Personal opinion only. More the point was if a custom service was available users might be able to get a tool that more closely matches their needs.
@@markusmcadams8723 Agree. But if a multitool is going to last many years it would be good to have all the tools you need on it without the ones you don't.
I've always caried a wave. It's my most expensive knife/tool that I don't mind abusing.
Good review, been curious about this since it was a bit of a surprise when it released. Does edcing it pretty much feel pretty much comparable to a wave? Or would you say the weight saving is rather noticeable?
They should put T-shank system from Surge where the file is located so then you would have replacable saw blades and files.The rest is ok.
That’s a good idea, but the saw and file on my surge are more dinky and flimsy than on the wave’s.
I'd replace that file with some larger scissors like on the Wingman, add a lock to the bit driver and replaceable wire cutters and this thing would be a winner in my book! Really wish Leatherman provided more blade steel upgrade options as well...or get better heat treats on those like Buck Knife blades... Maybe we need a Leatherman x Buck colab!
Inexplicable remixes and gimmicks are typical of Leatherman’s nowadays, and trying to pick one is a convoluted process of compromises.
Surge for all purpose, excellent in every way, but very heavy.
Wave for medium size all purpose.
P4.. the exception to Leatherman’s random remixes… its not perfect, but its a genuinely innovative medium duty - ie lighter/smaller than Surge - tool that has all the best versions of the primary/required tools plus its all one-handed opening. Its equally capable on the workbench or in the woods.. but you’re gonna pay dearly for it. Is it worth it? Yea, I think so because its small, capable, covers all the bases and you wont need to buy 2 different $70 tools to take its place.
P4, Yes, with scissors, awl, and chisel and package opener, etc., it seems comparable to Victorinox Spirit X, but only the saw and file are too short to be very useful.
Thanks, that was helpful. I have several Leatherman tools and my hands-down favorite is the Sidekick. Not too heavy for pocket carry and the tools I use. i use the saw far more often than I expected.
The Sidekick is great and it's a very good balance of price/function. I have 2. One in my car kit and another in my hiking/camping kit.
@@henryvandeventer2457 I bought a 2nd Sidekick and then my partner down in Houston got caught up in Hurricane Harvey and about lost everything. I sent him my extra Sidekick because I thought he needed it more than I did. It's not "the best," but I carry it more than my other tools.
I work with watches. I know I'm being task specific, but my demagnetized wave is a blessing. I use the diamond file to size watch stems, and shave burs off aftermarket parts. You are correct, I have no use for a file in the field. If I need to sharpen an edge tool I have a pocket stone, or field work sharp.
The curl with a saw instead of the file would have been a great outdoor multi tool. The benefit being more compact and lighter.
Good idea, but it would be just bigger sidekick.
So, a pared down Signal, or beefed up Sidekick? That split difference is probably too niche to make enough money for the company. Or, at least, that might be what they decided.
Would’ve been a great idea to put in a long bit driver using their proprietary bits instead of the file.
This analogy was spot on!!
I got the Wave + after your review and I pouch-carry it. I am not a heavy user of it, but when I do use it, I am very satisfied.
i like the file i end up in a lot of situation where I have to get rid of sharp edges
Does the wave have a pocket clip from the factory?
Once I got my Surge I never looked back.
Says the man watching another LM video…
Great tool. Simple and practical.
You know what's crazy, I was thinking about how it would be great if Leatherman scaled up the PS4 Squirt, and I think the Curl is just that! It has everything I need daily. I love it!
I hear your concerns , but the curl is perfect for my needs.👍 something about it reminds me of the stuff i had when i was a kid. Great Video love the honesty. RC
I like this one a d might pick it up. I really like how its similar to the wave but smaller and lighter. Why i dont carry my wave as much. I kinda wish they pit a large saw on the outside instead of the large file and put a small file in the inside instead of the prybaror bottle opener
I have seven Leatherman tools two of them are wave Pluss fkn awesome tools also have heaps of others blue point, two Gerber's and some cheaper ones not I carry a wave Pluss every day and to be fair I use the file every day! I'm an aircraft engineer and just am lost without it I also carry a skeletool cx when in shorts out of work or a suit review cheers dude 🤠🇦🇺
Great review. I purchased one. I like it better than the wave for carry.
I bought a saw off ebay and replaced the file with it.
Nope, after carrying the p2 for a few years, I am super grateful to have a full size file ready access. I use it for sharpening axes and what not
i kinda like this Curl. i am looking for something to replace my Gerber Suspension. inside house i carry this or Squirt PS4. Suspension is good enough but it lack a larger blade. also loke the fact its equipped with that file. outside i use a set of Black&Silver Surge with alot of accessories, around 650grams.
thanks dor the review, from what i see its what i need right now. i owned SwissTool and SkeletoolCX, gave it to my brother.
Hard to beat the Wave Brother
Bless you and your family
I think the price makes sense more or less, the pocket clip and one hand opening, and bit driver is worth 10$ more than the rebar. And it makes sense that its 20 less than a wave because its only really missing the serrated blade and the saw. And its a bit more compact and lightweight also.
Leatherman knows how many people want an Awl on their Wave or Charge. This is their answer. This tool is all about the Awl. Just got one yesterday, as I own every other model in the last 20 years. My new EDC multi...at least for the moment.
Enjoyed the review. Definitely appreciate your videos for that you actually use the tool cutting , working during the video.
I'm personally fine with my sidekick (goes in my bugout bag but I carried it for a while before I got my Surge) and I bought one for my Dad and Brother. I do want a Rebar because of the compact size and Replaceable wire cutters is awesome as I do a lot of welding at work and the eore cutters get a work out everyday.
I like the Curl from what I see. I got the Wave+ a couple years ago and never liked it. Got a Charge+and love it. I’d take serrated off the my Wave and swap it onto the Curl. The file is the right choice for me also. The awl is welcome. I’d remove the can opener and put the eye glass driver maybe back. Maybe swap the plier heads also if the replaceable cutters are better.
For me the driver and the weight were the "no go". I needed to have a tool that's going to be part of my "system" (pouch carry - no clip needed)and in it I already had Wera bits, ratchet and driver that im not willing to par with in favor of a 2d bit system so i went for the Rebar as a lighter option.
I’m keeping my Wave+
I hate the curl and the bond. Leatherman did us dirty this year
This Leatherman seems perfect for me, I am on a robotics team and NEVER used the saw and serrated knife thing.
Nice I am sure it is a good layout for some... 👍
@@gideonstactical Yeah it seems perfect, also I’m wondering if you plan on reviewing the leatherman bolster.
Team charge tti + signal. 2 best for me right now
$80 is rough. At that price I would just go with the sidekick or wingman
Or the two you suggested🤣
I remember when the wingman was $20!!
@@buckfutter8137 I bought sidekick wingman $25 $30.
@@buckfutter8137 the good ole days
G'day Aaron, yep with ya, for sure a perfect spot for a locking saw rather than a file. And no saw at all is definitely a deal breaker IMO. Seems a bit like change for changes sake. If I were to ever go down the "multitool" track, I'd spend the extra on the wave + or surge, over say a rebar, mainly because the blades and saw are on the outside layer. Cheers Duke.
Bring back the Leatherman Squirt EL!!! I would by 3!!! Also, I wish I could put the mini screwdriver back in place of the small flathead in the Surge!!! Keep up the great vids!!!
Curious what you think is the best Leatherman model in terms of quality and utility?
Personally after spending hours looking through their line up and watching dozens of reviews I decided that the Surge was the best all rounder.
The only downside is that it's heavy. Apart from that it's an excellent sturdy tool and in conjunction with the new ratcheting bit driver and the bit set it's got everything I need.
Spot on comments - with mobility lifestyle booming a 3 inch screwdriver is a great idea (actually in fact it’s much needed!!)
Agree with you regarding the file. As far as the Wave's in-house, sold-separately clip; never had that issue with it. I installed it once on my older LM Wave (non-replaceable wire cutters), have never taken it off since. The weight difference between the Wave + and the Curl, sorry; one ounce difference when we're talking 7 vs. 8 ounces just isn't enough to really be noticeable in a pocket. The Curl to me is a mystery. Wave + vs. Curl, I'd rather pay the extra $20.oo for a more capable multi-tool and buy the clip for the Wave + from LM.
I was seriously considering the Curl. But the only negative to sticking with my older clip-carried Wave is literally one ounce. Thanks for saving me $80.oo
Yeah, not sure how many fingernails I have busted using those nail nicks on different mutitools. Agreed the file and the pricepoint seems kinda odd for this tool. Thank you for the no BS review with the pros and cons of the hardware. Great video!
I don't own any as of yet. So far I've narrowed it down to the Rebar and possibly a Wave. I definitely would not buy this one because of the tool layout, not much use for a file,give me a locking saw blade instead, and price point.
Rebar has a good saw, has a file too. Get the coyote brown one, a bit stiff at first. Tan clip & carry kydex sheath is good for EDC.
I agree with William. The Rebar is a great choice and is near bombproof. Great balance of price/function. Also depends on what you need and want. If you want a knife blade that's one handed opening then the Rebar is not for you, but if you want a very versatile, capable and tough as nails tool at a good price point, it's great.
I like the rebar. It's a good compromise.
I'd rather have an outside accessible scissors like the wingman, with a full size file inside.
I agree if they swapped the file for the wood saw and dropped the price that little bit it would be a lot more viable.
I love my wave and will probably stay with that model.
I personally like the file on my multitools. I also like the wood saw but the file gets more use filing of burs on my machete, sharpening fish hooks, doing my nails, cleaning up notches for traps and triggers, etc. They should put a fine tooth metal saw on the edge of the file to make it more versatile since you can saw wood (and bone) with a metal saw but not vice versa.
I don't need the scissors or the one hand opening blade and with this bit exchanger I'm always scared the bit gets lost. If you drop that bit in the mud good luck finding it back. I prefer the solid philips head like on the Rebar and Bond and they also take a normal bit adapter. I do like the pocket clip though but you can buy them separately. The one hand opening and locking blade is not illegal in my country but I travel a lot and you never know how customs or the police are gonna react in other countries. Even if it's technically not illegal by their laws what are you gonna do if they confiscate it anyway? I do understand there are professions where having a one hand opening blade is very useful.
Supertool 300 is my heavy duty workhorse for home and work. The Rebar is my go to for camping/hiking.. Why Leatherman continues with the 2d phillips head on their "heavy duty" options is beyond comprehension. I was thinking when I saw the title the two big mistakes with the curl might have been; 1. Leatherman put it into production; 2. people are buying it.
The Dimond File is one of my favorite features!
Never had a problem with my wave pocket clip. 10 years in. Knit picking?
Like the videos though.
I agree with everything you said I have and I like the idea but it could have been something much better. Suppose they had done the Surge this way with a main blade and the t shank adapter and left the locks but only had a bit driver on one side and an awl on the other. That would have been pocketable and almost perfect for me.
There's a new company that's coming out and they have a fully customizable multi tool. Their called Goat tools. Maybe something to look into.. Great video buddy! Thanks!
Thanks for the tip. They are on to something. The price needs to be more friendly but will definitely keep them in mind.
Full time RVer? I’ve been out of the loop. What made you decide this? We love having an rv for our adventures.
Good🙏👍
I think the serrated blade would have made more sense.
My problem with the wave is the pos pocket clip and the blow on it and it breaks jewlers drivers.
Isn’t the curl lighter weight then both the models mentioned?
I always carry a knife so I removed the knife on the curl and replaced with the saw from a old wave that was not being used.
Great review 👌🏻 Does anyone actually use the scissors or bottle opener on leathermans? I always think the scissors are a redundant tool….
Yes to both if I’m honest. I use the scissors at work a fair bit, mainly for shortening labels from a label printer. I also use the bottle opener/ can opener a couple times a week to open a beer, mainly because I tend to have a MT in my pocket.
@@timosborne8174 nice to know, I live in Australia so most beers are screw tops so no need for a bottle opener, just seems everything I can use scissors for I can use the knife for! I’d much rather see an additional bit driver so I can carry 4 bits without the additional bit kit
Big question is…when will leatherman offer a custom build option
@@benhazell470 yeah I’m in the UK and still most beers need an opener. At least the ones I drink. It seems so many people buy more than one tool to custom themselves. If I’m honest I prefer the Gerber multitools but it’s the same problem. I’ve had to use multiple tools to make my perfect tool.
I personally rarely use a saw, so the curl has been great for me
I like the direction they went with this one -- Wave is a great tool but a bit of a brick in the pocket, the clip does hang up on heavier work pants,, and also that eyeglass driver is a bit cringe in my opinion. Slimming it down to the Curl is a fine idea. You still get that beautiful blade profile and the Free-series clip is 1000x better (also screwed in so it doesn't wiggle). The wave/curl file is awesome and should not be overlooked as a valuable outdoors tool vs a tiny wood saw -- the diamond side is plenty capable of touching up heavier edged tools and the double-cut side can be used to do many woodcraft chores that a saw can't.
That being said, I recently downsized my Rebar to a Bond (same idea as Wave to Curl) and I can't complain at all. If they add a pocket clip to Rebar I'll size up again but for me that Free-series clip is a game-changer.
Also, the Curl and Bond are using the old Wave pliers head. Even without replaceable cutters, that was the best selling Leatherman of all time.
Maybe the slipjoint screwdriver is for hard to reach, angled screws?
I picked up the curl over the weekend ,I agree with you on the file maybe swap it with a wood saw. But the selling point for me was the interchangeable bit tool on it and with the ratcheting bit driver extension it's exactly what I was looking for . But to each their own. Still a good tool if you ask me.
If you are in to knives then the "Diamond File" is invaluable asset to sharpen knives. I love my curl.
That nail nick is great for fishing. When the fish swallows the hook, you put the nick on the line and follow it down to u hook the fish
Maybe it was released specifically to drive more people to spring extra $ for the Wave model?
If they put the saw and serrated and made it a alternative versión of the wave plus with an awl instead of the micro screwdriver. That would make it a success.
I'd have much preferred a larger pair of scissors take the place of that file, and then do something else (like the Wave's small second bit driver) where the little internal scissors are.
as a “tool box”, metal file/metal saw is ideal at least for me.
I expect metal work capabilities and tool aspects as a compact tool box on my body.
I don’t use wood saw at the place where I need screw drivers and pliers.
wood saw is handy, but I can cut wood with knife blade.
nothing can do the same job with metal file/saw.
Thanks for the video and information about this model.
I suppose I'm a dinosaur as I still use the original issue Leatherman tool. Hey, if it ain't broke don't fix it, right?😉
Awesome that you have an original 👍
Oh look, it's the iLeatherman 12 - same thing, just different packaging.
MOAB- The most perfect spot in the world considering desert living.
Honestly if you tossed the file for a saw it would be everything I have wanted in a multi tool. Every model is always missing something. Three things I need/ want, saw, scissors and awl. Wave no awl, rebar no scissors. I find the surge to big for daily carry. Swap that file for a saw and they’d really have something spot on there. Excellent video as always btw.
How about a file/saw combo?
Also, I'm a consumer that absolutely loves the file.
I agree, when I first saw the curl my reaction was.....meh, I don't mind a file but why not make it removable, I've been saying for years, you have a dull blade and a file right next to it, makes no sense to me.
Curl is a no go. Wave or rebar for sure
Perhaps the quality is greater in the Curl (?), but the features seem to be more like the Sidekick or Wingman than the Wave or Rebar that you mention...except the pricing of the Sidekick and Wingman are less than the Curl and the Rebar.
Quality is basically that of a wave with less tools included. Wingman and sidekick are junk.
Blade, pliers, DIAMOND file/SAW + hand comfort
scissors, driver, awl all quick to stow
Perfection and NOT a gerber mindless copy
If they would of make a p4 with no scissor and add a diamond file to it and the bit driver that for me would be the ideal leatherman and 154cm blade steel
Curl is for me, I love that file and was using it daily on my old Wave. Due to size and weight I'm now Skeletool user. But Curl is overpriced for sure.
I like my coyote brown rebar I bought off #Amazon, run it in a tan clip & carry kydex sheath. The tool set is good for me & it's compact/comfortable.
I love my wave, it's still the best multi tool out there. It doesn't make sense to me to pick up the curl. I wish all leatherman's came with a pocket clip.
A wood saw on this makes little sense to me. They already have a outdoor focused model the signal so to make this a outdoor focused tool would be redundant and not a smart marketplace idea.
The fact that the Phillips head screw driver has no lock is not good. Bearing down on a half stripped screw and having it slam shut on your finger could ruin your day. Lol. I will stick with my old heavy clumsy Wave.
Eyes on files are not a good idea. An open eye loop is less surface area for filing, since you use the flat part instead of the edge like a knife or saw.
I love my wave ,that curl is just redundant if you ask me
He's telling Leatherman what they should do? LMFAO.
Yep 👍
Wave always
The lack of a saw is a deal breaker on this one
The wave + was the last leatherman I have bought and even though I am a Gear junkie I see no need to buy another leatherman. It seems they have run out of ideas.
They should have named it the wave -
The pocket clip probably with the wave maybe because of your giant hand 🤚
The file should have just simply been a saw imo. I'm surprised your critique of the file though...it's literally the same way a the file and saw deploy on a wave 🤨. Do you hate that on the wave+ as well? Your dead on about the price for sure. As far as the rebar plier being more robust...it's not actually true, born out in a culmination of data based on breaks. The replacement cutter plier head break more regularly than the non-replacement variant. This is not to say that the decrease in durability isn't worth the replacement cutters...because the replacement cutters are great.
I think it's close to perfect has a multi tool for my girlfriend to carry at work
Short review: the wave is still the best OG….
Where are you? Justice for Gabby!
Mistake 3 - Using 420HC as the blade steel. Even in 2021, 420HC is hugely subpar. Dedicated folding knives at $20-30 are running much better steel. They should at least be using Sandvik steel here.