Nice review. One thing to add the photonis EBI is measure differently than Harris(elbeit) and L3. The EBI of .15 and .16 is actually 1.5 and 1.6. These are still good numbers it’s just something to note. Typically on specs you want halo and EBI was to be as low as possible
@@wherenowhow6037 how would Echos compare to run of the mill OMNI 4s? I have some low hour MX10160As and was wondering if it was worth upgrading or just running these?
@@poolee77 That is a tough one. A high spec Echo would perform better than a low spec Omni 4 and vice versa. A high spec Omni 4 would perform better than a low spec Omni 4. If you want to change colors to WP and are in reasonably high ambient lighting conditions the Echo's might be worth the switch.
Nice pair of tubes. I’m thinking about a set of RNVG for my next set but I got used to the articulation with my bridged 14s and don’t know if I can do without.
The caps with the holes are legit. I keep mine on at all times. Keeps things in focus in the foreground so you don’t have to focus back and forth. It’s legit for driving under nods, breaching, etc. legit 🤙🏼
Shopping RNVG right now. Seems like the best housing if you want to get the best tubes without spending 10k or even more at the moment. Seeing right around 8k for L3 white filmless...although elbit thin filmed is real tempting for quite a lot less
Honestly the Elbit offerings are pretty cool for their price. Although if I could do it all again I would save up the extra for the L3 filmless. Those tubes are amazing.
@@gunsnmammons I was actually looking at a pair of these today too. While the DTNVGS are tempting I'm scared I'll break them. These seem well worth it. I'm going to get the L3 WP though. Are you planning on getting the external battery pack?
@@gunsnmammons Low? They're loud as hell. If the sound you're hearing is low in post-production, then you either had your computer/headset volume too low and was trying to boost it, to hear it, while editing. If you wanna hear how it sounds to us, watch this video on your phone or another computer.
Right now this stuff is getting scarce and more expensive. A few years back it seemed like you could get white 15s for like 9999. Now that's like 11500. Some of these high spec units with good articulating housings are approaching PVS31 money (if you could buy them lol)
Hey man! I just ordered RNVG's from Night Vision Inc. as well. When you received the unit, did it come with a user guide of some sort that describes how to care for/store the RNVG housing/tubes? Also, did it only come with the pin hole covers instead of covers for all 4 lenses?
Yes the only covers are for the objective lenses as they are the only ones that are light sensitive. Really just as SemperFiMac77 said, just don't expose them to light and don't store them with the batteries in for long times and you should be fine.
Just ordered L3 20UA RNVG from NV Inc. Can not wait.. going to be so stoked to use for the first time.
Dang. Good buy, can guarantee you’re going to enjoy them!
Nice review.
One thing to add the photonis EBI is measure differently than Harris(elbeit) and L3.
The EBI of .15 and .16 is actually 1.5 and 1.6. These are still good numbers it’s just something to note.
Typically on specs you want halo and EBI was to be as low as possible
Thanks for the info!
Yep, the EBI is a little high but the Gain on these Echos is super good. They should be pretty good performers.
@@wherenowhow6037 how would Echos compare to run of the mill OMNI 4s? I have some low hour MX10160As and was wondering if it was worth upgrading or just running these?
@@poolee77 That is a tough one. A high spec Echo would perform better than a low spec Omni 4 and vice versa. A high spec Omni 4 would perform better than a low spec Omni 4. If you want to change colors to WP and are in reasonably high ambient lighting conditions the Echo's might be worth the switch.
@@wherenowhow6037 thanks for the reply. I shoot in the country so not much artifical light around. Might use just up longer for L3s
The audio quality hurts.
Had to put the volume to the lowest setting to comfortably hear this.
I’m working on it.
I love it you are hooked! I've seen some really cool things under a pair OF NODs.
Nice pair of tubes. I’m thinking about a set of RNVG for my next set but I got used to the articulation with my bridged 14s and don’t know if I can do without.
DTNVGs are the best articulating duals on the market currently in my opinion.
The caps with the holes are legit. I keep mine on at all times. Keeps things in focus in the foreground so you don’t have to focus back and forth. It’s legit for driving under nods, breaching, etc. legit 🤙🏼
Yeah! Watched that GBRS Group video about that, super cool
So did you pay for this upfront in full or do you have a payment plan?
All upfront but they have financing plans.
What Model LAM was that you were using. The IR Illuminator and Pointer looked fairly strong.
Full power PEQ-15
@@gunsnmammons Good deal, kinda thought that :-)
Shopping RNVG right now. Seems like the best housing if you want to get the best tubes without spending 10k or even more at the moment. Seeing right around 8k for L3 white filmless...although elbit thin filmed is real tempting for quite a lot less
Honestly the Elbit offerings are pretty cool for their price. Although if I could do it all again I would save up the extra for the L3 filmless. Those tubes are amazing.
Good video. I got a TW carbon helmet for this year.
Nice! I liked my TW helmet a lot
@@gunsnmammons I was actually looking at a pair of these today too. While the DTNVGS are tempting I'm scared I'll break them. These seem well worth it. I'm going to get the L3 WP though. Are you planning on getting the external battery pack?
No, the life you can get out of a CR123 is actually pretty long. And yeah i wanted DTNVGs as well but the ruggedness is what sold me on the RNVG
Something is wrong with the audio
Works for me
What’s going on with it? I was trying to adjust my voice over audio levels and they’re still sort of low. Lemme know if it is messed up
@@gunsnmammons its because it's over cranked in post... it's on earrape mode. Best off investing in a cheap lav mic
@@gunsnmammons Low? They're loud as hell.
If the sound you're hearing is low in post-production, then you either had your computer/headset volume too low and was trying to boost it, to hear it, while editing.
If you wanna hear how it sounds to us, watch this video on your phone or another computer.
What made you go with photonis tubes over the thin filmed Elbit tubes? Price point on the two are pretty similar if I recall
The Elbit just weren't around when I got into my setup. But I agree they are pretty comparable.
can you plug in a pvs31 battery pack into the lemo port? or would i need an adapter?
Absolutely. The PVS31 battery pack cable is LEMO so it works.
Thanks
Right now this stuff is getting scarce and more expensive. A few years back it seemed like you could get white 15s for like 9999. Now that's like 11500. Some of these high spec units with good articulating housings are approaching PVS31 money (if you could buy them lol)
Just saw 2 sets of 20um 15s for $8500 each and you can get 31s. They’re pretty easy to get as Long as you have the money to back.
Phosphor vs phosphorus. There’s a an important difference 😄
Hey man! I just ordered RNVG's from Night Vision Inc. as well. When you received the unit, did it come with a user guide of some sort that describes how to care for/store the RNVG housing/tubes? Also, did it only come with the pin hole covers instead of covers for all 4 lenses?
Biggest thing is just not exposing the tubes to excessive light.
Yes the only covers are for the objective lenses as they are the only ones that are light sensitive. Really just as SemperFiMac77 said, just don't expose them to light and don't store them with the batteries in for long times and you should be fine.
Whats the difference between L3 24UA vs the L3 20UA tubes?
I believe the UA just means different minimum specs (FOM, SNR, halo, etc.). Not 100% though.
Can you finance them ?
You can. I would contact NV Inc for financing options.
you actually have echo + tubes if there above 2000 fom
Yes, sometimes I get confused in the nomenclature.
Where’s the lense covers?
How do you focus the tubes?
The objective lens (away from your face) can be focused via a ring on them.
Is this rnvg autogated ?
Yes
how inconvenient has it been not having articulation?
It would be a nice feature. But i think the ruggedness of the RNVGs outweighs not having articulation.
@@gunsnmammons also what laser are you using at 17:49?
I’ve been going back and forth.. Think I’m going with the Photonis Hybrid White..
Good choice!
gunsnmammons I don’t know if I missed it.. But how long did it take for yours to be delivered..??
3 days
gunsnmammons Oh Wow.. Well let’s hope mine will show up on 3 days lol
@@AYYYESPEc Did you receive your RNVG yet?
How much are these?
They vary depending on tube selection. Go to nvincorporated.com
Osom wow
#articulatingmasterrace
#whynotboth #ballout
Dude! Spec sheets are ITAR controlled. You may want to pull the vid unless you already cleared it thru the Gov.
No one has knocked on my door *yet*. And also I believe in promoting access to information. All good!
Photonis echos are gen 2+, so technically the spec sheet isn’t ITAR controlled. If this were a gen 3 device it would be different.
Use less words homes
I’m a professor, using excessive vocabulary is what i do lol
Be more smart, homes