I'm retired at 47, went from Grace to Grace. This video here reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, honest wife and 35k biweekly and a good daughter full of love
Telework was available pre-covid, just not to the same extent (my agreement required at least 2 days in the office per pay period). Benefits to the agency include: we work when office workers are paid to stay home for office closures, often check on processes that are running in the evening during personal time so if the network dropped or the process failed it can be restarted to run overnight which saves so much time during working hours, etc.
Same here! Telework agreement in the federal world started 2010 in congress pre-covid. I go in 2 times a week and it's been proven that more work has been getting done due to less stressful environment and more motivation in doing a great job. Plus, more than 60% of Navy federal workers work 5 days a week only 200,000 are eligible for telework which doesn't mean you get approved.
@krunchy0201 yeah I was doing 2 days a week about 6 months before the pandemic and its made a world of difference. Even when the agency is closed for weather or other reasons, things keep running. Now, I will just leave my equipment at the office and enjoy the snow days.
I’m a DOL remote worker. Crickets from management so far. OPM just implemented a government-wide email probably to disseminate info on returning to the office. Edit. Whelp. Got the notice. It said wait for further guidance. 😬
I heard they want employees to return to the office so it will stimulate the economy. They said this would increase gasoline sales, vehicle sales, car repairs, coffee and restaurant lunch purchases, clothing sales, etc. I think they want a significant amount of employees to quit so they don’t have to pay unemployment checks. Because most people prefer working at home, not driving in heavy traffic daily, eating lunch at home, saving on child care and not having to pay for dry cleaning. As long as your job Is done why does it truly matter?
Some agency units were able to get out of multi-million dollar office leases and sold off most of their office furniture and equipment. So this move is going to cost the government billions of dollars.
If I had to go back in the office, I would not do anything to stimulate the economy. I will bring my lunch every day and for the first time in my life, I will be eating my own food all the time.
As an Aussie fed employee who works MORE since having a hybrid schedule, I feel sorry for my US counterparts. I hope sanity prevails over there. Stand strong and united 💪
My wife works more on a few days a week home and flex schedule. She can work a catch up without office visits and distractions on those days. She has both a home office and work office for national park. With a 40 mile round trip commute in sometimes bad winter weather, it's sometimes safer to work from home.
telework and remote work have been great for our workers and country. Employees are happier, more productive and able to see their families more often.
@@ChillWill-q5x I don’t understand the hate for telework, please explain. Telework has made life easier for so many (especially parents) and it helps reduce CO2 emissions
@@ChillWill-q5xI work at a large depot in Utah. They torn down our 1940 era buildings and can't build new buildings fast enough. It is hilarious watching management throw their hands in the air...I am glad I retire in 11 months.
@@ChillWill-q5xwe’ve been teleworking part time since long before Covid. I’ve been there 15 years & have teleworked part time since after 1 year probation. Same arrangement now. This is not new to Covid.
In that order, they interchange the words, telework and remote work those are two different schedules.. Some people don’t have an office to go back to. Also the 50+ hours a week you put in at home is a lot easier to do when you’re not commuting two hours each way
@@JeffreyWillis800 I noticed that as well and I noticed that language in all the memos from the Trump admin people. The email we got about getting rid of the DEIA programs was filled with similar kinds of things like calling those programs shameful etc. Not very professional
My manager said today that our agency is probably going to be business as usual. The memo feels like it’s a public front. There’s no way to enforce this anytime soon. We don’t have space, most employees are bargaining unit, and the others have managers and teams across the country.
That’s what most people don’t realise federal agencies have been closings offices to save money. So everyone can’t even fit in one building at the same time Telework is here to stay
This is why people are frustrated. Federal employees are supposed to be public servants, but your comment drips with entitlement. Federal employees shouldn't even be allowed to have a union. And, there is a very simple way to enforce this order. You return to work, or you lose your job.
@ Did you get your tax refund? Were your services delayed? Do you have roads to drive on? Ever got a student loan? Have kids in public school? What about an FHA mortgage? All these people who support the public have worked from home before it was popular during COVID. Since 2010 mins you. Your anger should be at your President who’s proposing to sell government buildings to privately equity firms to then be turned around and leased back to the government. Mind you that’s with your tax dollars, but you don’t sound educated enough to be in a bracket where you even pay them. Your ignorance and frustration are misplaced.
The OPM memo is filled with lies, misleading citations, and propaganda. It's disgusting that OPM has sunk this low. And disgusting that telework is being ended for literally no reason.
Maybe it's just time for you to contribute to the economy that supports you, instead of living up in your castle like a troll hoarding money. The economy is predicated on services and support, you need to support businesses and buy clothes, and food, and gas, and child care instead of gloating at others and cheering for illegal aliens to work for less money.
@ Obviously, Musk literally said that. What agencies specifically do you want to see the workforce cut? The ones dealing with food and drug safety, collecting taxes, ensuring national defense, ensuring your drinking water is safe? What evidence do you have that federal agencies are "stealing" and "wasting" "hard earned revenue from taxes? Have you ever worked a government job? With what factual basis would you make that argument? Have you ever used AI? It's definitely not ready for prime time ubiquitous use yet except, perhaps, in very specific jobs. Why do you target remote jobs specifically? If you work in an office on a computer, you can do that job literally anywhere you have a laptop and an internet connection.
well, maybe you shouldn’t have done that knowing there’s a headquarters where you have to go to work. don’t get me wrong, i’m not unsympathetic but some employees have been out of control for a while. i know one guy that works in another state and still gets paid by our office for full time work.
@ oh!? so you’re saying it’s a perfect practice!? and many inspectors live nowhere near their sites. you and i both know that. more often than not people are abusing the system. talk to them for doing that. double and triple dipping especially some retirees. it’s disgusting. i’m not saying don’t get yours but you know the kind of people i’m talking about abusing things taking it way too far getting tvs and new furniture every year to maintain budget and WORSE! anyone whose worked ina federal office can detail some horror stories
Wahhhhhh, I got a government job, with great benefits, civil service protection and a pension. Cry me a river. You work for we the people. Quit goofing off at home.
I don't work for the govt but it will be interesting to see further guidance. Lives were built around telework / remote work. I would imagine employees would be more productive at home due to hours traveled, employees chit chatting, more in person meetings, etc. Would be better to sell off the unused buildings or downsize to save tax payer money. I imagine supervisors not protected by the CBA will be back in full but employees protected by CBA's will not? No idea here what the power of the above powers can override.
(MY CASE) I work 3rd shift, why would it make sense to work 8hrs in an empty building all night while I can complete the work from home? My co-workers OR supervisor's aren't even there becasue by the time I get there I LEAVE! This is not a one size fits all. Makes ZERO SENSE to go back for MANY OF US.
Yes all of our field offices were downsized to the point where there is no room for all of us despite the fact that we are still significantly understaffed
So glad I retired from the Government. These knuckleheads are going to see a deluge of retirements, private sector losses and of course those losses will be the brightest and best. This is the 21st century and times are changing. The smart employers will look at this as a new norm and get the best employees. Just dumb and for no reason.
There isnt enough space at my agency. I think the president is wielding way too much power over the everyday workers working arrangements with their employer. The President should not be able to override the telework act if 2010 just because he dislikes it. Nor what agency heads deem valuable arrangements to attract and retain talent. Like wtf OPM. It reeks of just being rude and cruel for the sake of it.
Rudeness and cruelty inspired by Elon Musk, who just personally loathes telework. Is Trump rewarding him for his important support? He's eager to see federal heads roll just like he did at Twitter? I'll bet they're making generalizations without even knowing whether agencies are actually bloated or not. I didn't mind Musk doing what he did to Twitter employees then because they were all censorious, blue-haired, judgy tots loving their power over conservatives. But many federal workers are conservatives, and what we got for voting for Trump this time was people coming at us with lots of hate for what we've been doing successfully since 2011 or 2012.
This is ALL because those in D.C. took advantage of the system!!! The rest of us across the world HAVE BEEN WORKING!! In fact, our organization just let go of the lease for a building we didn't need and production went up 30%. No more meetings about meetings or getting interrupted. The Union has/had been fighting for remote work, telework for decades. They finally won and I'm sure they won't let it go easily!
It's not just DC it's in California as well. They're hardly working. When you mix DEI and work from home together it's a disaster. Most workers and especially Dei have to be under close supervision.
Still trying to understand what happens to fully remote workers who have no office and whose duty station is their home. Do we just go to the nearest federal building, even if it's not for our agency? If so, how would anyone even know we're there if our boss lives in another state?
This is the same question I have. The only thing is that that second part that talks about "If your duty station is more than 50 mi away from an agency facility then you have to find one closer or move there or something," which seems to take into account the fact that for a lot of the remotes their duty station is their house
Your answer is in this video and specifically in the memo. Those people go to an office in their commuting area. Get ready for new leases from one agency to the next for office space! 😂
I have a friend in the same situation - she supports the VA in Texas and lives in VA. Her manager is seeking clarification but can't give her any guidance yet. She was hired as a remote worker - there is no place for her to return to.
What about the Telework Enhancement Act of 2010? "To require the head of each executive agency to establish and implement a policy under which employees SHALL be authorized to telework, and for other purposes."
This will cost the Fed govt (us taxpayers) millions of dollars more of taxpayer money. New space will have to be leased as federal agencies reduced their office space over the last 6-7 years…many agencies have shared cubicles/offices that are occupied by different people on different days of the week depending on their telework schedule. So, there is not enough space for everyone to RTO. Then, on top of the cost of leasing more office space, more people will be receiving the transportation subsidy-a max of $280/month for using public/mass transit.
There are a lot of federal workers that are remote and not working. They have multiple jobs and businesses while on the federal clock. They are at home full time and not working. Some don't respond or check email and some of their managers are doing the same. Customers and constituents have complained as they have to go thru multi levels of telephone prompts and are not often even able to leave a voicemail within certain agencies. There have been incidents where FEMA employees didn't respond to emergencies, stating that their offices are on remote work schedules, etc. Folks already have a bad perception that "government" workers don't work and then there are those that are abusing the system and spoiling it for everyone. While I'm in office 5 days a week, I've seen employees abuse their telework usage just to stay at home and wait for a repair man to fix their appliance, etc. In a past job I was a remote worker. I stayed near the computer and cell to do my job. Yes, there were times that I would step away for an hour or so, but my supervisor was always aware of what I was doing. I was just talking to a co-worker today about how in private industry, the bottom line is the driving force and they cut a lot of the bureaucracy out of their processes, to speed up the processes to ensure better efficiencies. In some government agencies things require 20 signatures for approval. Factor in any of those 20 persons going on leave for several days (or weeks) or it get's buried down in their email and you can see how things move at a snails pace.
I oppose anyone who opposes remote work because it’s just part of a general opposition to workers rights. It makes no sense from a practical standpoint to do a blanket elimination of remote work. I personally prefer a hybrid system which is what most people have been doing for years now. I think that a 50/50 split strikes the right balance. Sometimes it’s beneficial to collaborate in person and sometimes those in person interactions are disruptive and keep you from getting your work done. Sometimes it’s highly beneficial to have someone who can work late or start early because they don’t have to commute, and it’s far easier to cover shifts if people are able to work while traveling, disabled, ill, etc. Federal workers are being used as pawns in a cynical ploy because it’s been acknowledged that the real reason they’re doing this is to get people to quit.
@@Yohoo272some people abuse it, yes that does happen. Others are efficient and can finish projects faster, that would other wise not be incentivized to do so in person. Or, it's a reactive job like help desk, etc. instead of blanket assumptions, having a way to track that works is actually being done and it's also quality work.
@ it’s not a blanket assumption. I worked for the Government and saw it with my own eyes. 75% or better abuse the system. It’s nearly impossible to fire them.
@@boondoggle4820 the more comments I read, the more sense of envy I see that can't do the same. They must of not been selected for the position and their chance to telework 😂
So our organization is scrambling because we have the opposite problem. I work at a USAF Depot in Utah with 23,000 civilian and military employees. Over the past 4 years the base has torn down multiple 1940 era buildings. They are not building new buildings fast enough. Currently, we are hot desking two times a week in order to have everyone come in two times per week...we are also working a 5-4-9 schedule. Our management has thrown their hands in the air as they don't know how to implement this new policy. I retire at the end of the year, so it is interesting to watch all the frustration. With the hiring freeze, and the potential to terminate our new hires, I have already been asked about my upcoming retirement.... We are already slammed and I can't imagine taking on any additional workload. Bottom line...not one size fits all. Our management should have the ability to make decisions based upon their lack of resources.
@@travisivy6313I would pay that clown any attention. I actually went to the union and they save my career for something someone else did that was politically wrong.
This is beyond idiotic! Most workers or even all federal workers have return to the office in some capacity. This isn’t a return to work, this is a take away of an alternative work schedule that was already in place way before Covid. Congress and unions need to step up
@@ChillWill-q5x Please learn the difference between remote and telework if you want to be taken serious as a troll...lol That must be that new common core math because per OMB about 54% of the entire federal workforce can't telework at all. Since you are not a fed, you do not realize that there are a vast number of fed jobs like doctors, nurses, aids, mental health professionals, janitorial staff and maintenance staff, security, police etc etc etc that obviously cannot and do not telework. Only 10% of the total workforce are remote and many aren't "still" working remotely. They were hired as a remote employee and have never worked in an office smh
Can they? Serious question. I’m asking because I read someone else say something of the sorts. She said that this is going to disrupt the lives of so many people who lives changed (Revolves around work from home) after Covid and and disrupt the mental health of so many. He said congress and other agencies of power need to step in.
The thing is just because you’re not in the office doesn’t mean you’re working any more or less. Productivity has been the same or higher for remote work which is WHY it wasn’t cut off after COVID. Management was so scared of it pre COVID and then once it hit they realized that work carried on as usual without skipping a beat (if you didn’t have work that requires you to be there in person). Let’s be realistic, before covid no one could get in touch with HR anyway so having them work at home was pretty much the same as having them in office…I digress..No one is thinking about that most government employees are adults and behave as such. Of course you have your outliers but overall this is all based PERCEPTION and NOT reality and I really hate that. So what if someone is at home working in their day time pajamas. The work is being done. I’ve worked remote and it’s been a godsend for my family and finances and I usually work even more cause I have flexibility. Most people work harder in those type of positions cause they want to keep the privilege than going into the office everyday (it really isn’t necessary in most office jobs. I really liked the hybrid approach as well cause you can work but not have to deal with depressing work environments, commutes, pointless water cooler convos, annoying boss/coworkers, harassment issues, etc. it was a good balance of work and life.
@@Yohoo272 it is true for many, my team of system admins is small but we squeeze out more work hours not having to deal with commuting... I have no problem working late if need be while teleworking but my days in the office I'm out as soon as my shift is up to deal with traffic so I can see my wife and kids. I honestly get disrupted way more in office than I do at home behind my locked door.
Bravo!! I am a federal worker, and you've done a good job of expressing it. Perks for us: less car usage, maintenance issues, and gasoline; Less clothing and meal costs; yes, throw a load of laundry in on your 15 minute breaks or scrub a cooking pot!; yes, avoid the toxic co-workers, talkative ones, too, and all depressing social environments! Why do people care if we don't get out of our pajamas? My customers rave about me and my work section, saying we far outshine others they've worked with, so sometimes I feel like telling them this output that is making you so relieved and happy is brought to you by someone in their pajamas. And that stuff we hope to avoid makes us more productive because most of us are conscientious workers, but suddenly our countrymen are hell-bent on maligning us, as if they know how we behave, and what our output is.
I waste an hour the days i go into the office because i have to wait for my laptop to connect to the intrnet in the offices..how is thet being fking productive???
Payback for laying him off in 2020 and involvement in holding the don accountable. He said he would seek retribution. The problem is that many of them voted for him.
I am a remote federal employee. My official duty station is my home address. I am responsible for visiting Veteran’s in an assigned territory which is outside of 50 miles from a VA facility. I am curious how this is going to play out for me??? Of note, my supervisor is in California and I am in Arizona. Our headquarters is in Utah.
You might be out of a job buddy. I'm sorry, but sounds like we don't need you. In and out burger just opened in Phoenix. You can apply online. Good luck 🤞
@@teresaswingle3004 that’s exactly what’s going to happen. It’s like they don’t even remember what happened during COVID when people sat home for months on paid leave because they weren’t telework ready.
Air Force Pentagon here our general told us that you know it’s gonna be the end of remote contracts and get back to work although we don’t have the guidance yet we just have meetings and discussions. They’re gonna have lease space in Crystal city or find a space in Andrews Air Force Base but I see them moving forward to comply with the orders.
We have to pay for parking so teleworking was great for us! We would alternate days to make sure they were employees in the building and now this 😢😢😢. I’m so dreading this I’m going to be wasting $50 a week in parking. Edit: we are back in office full time February 9th. There isn’t enough space so I guess we’ll be sharing cubicles 😂. If I had enough work experience I would have quit by now but I’m just entry so I’m going to push through
@@michealsizemore1you must not have to balance family work life and can afford to pay an extra $609 monthly to before and after care just so someone can watch employees kids while going to and coming from the office. You voted to make young families poorer. Thanks
Why does it seem like there’s always a bad apple in the bunch? This latest return-to-work policy will undermine the success of all the other efficient policies that benefit the American people. Consistency is demanded of this administration, and when a policy directly conflicts with the rest of the agenda, humility requires a modified stance. The overall goal of government efficiency stands in stark contrast to the return-to-work mandate. Remote work saves hours spent in traffic, thousands of dollars in maintenance, repairs, and gas costs, reduces the number of traffic accidents, cuts down building and overhead expenses, and, perhaps most importantly, improves employees’ mental health. The argument that remote workers are unproductive is weak, at best. Regardless of what studies claim-and they go both ways-if an employee isn’t performing, they get fired. They aren’t handed a lucrative resignation package. No, this policy isn’t really about productivity. It’s about the economy. Auto shops, restaurants, office supply stores, hospitals, and commercial real estate investors are all losing money. And let’s not forget that our President is himself a commercial real estate investor. It’s hard to ignore the possibility that this policy is about manipulating the market to prop up a sector that hasn’t adapted to changing times. When technology and society evolve, the market must evolve to meet them. Clinging to outdated practices-like insisting everyone use a corded landline when we all have cellphones-is another example of a bad apple spoiling the bunch.
I HATE telework for myself; however, due to the isolated nature of land management agencies' offices, remote work is necessary in recruitment due to the lack of housing and community resources.
My question is what is the difference between an Executive Order (EO) and Presidential Memorandum (PM)? The Return to Work was identified as a PM and not an EO. Could this difference affect the outcome for remote work?
We couldn’t get our collective bargaining agreement done in time and outgoing chairman didn’t want to sign it prior to the new administration taking office.
yes I don't like that dude...he was comparing a person assembling cars that actually requries to be there...with a person that requries to do work with a computer...he said that is was not fair...well maybe the dude in the Computer worked and went to College to be able to work in a computer...I just don't like all of this...2 or 3 guys taking decisions without caring about the impact of federal employees.
@@AB-mx9lx exactly. We invested time, money, and specialization for the specific purpose of having remote job options. It's fair. Everyone has equal opportunities. This argument is like DEIs equal outcomes, except the Republican version.
Always remember that "work life balance" is for the upper department heads. The grunts are supposed to fixate on work 24/7 because if you aren't physically at work being yelled at by a protected from any lawsuit boss, you aren't working.
@InitialFailure Why would I choose to believe such an unfounded claim? I don't work for the government, and I commented. Look, dude, my claim is factual. You're all in your feelings. "Oh well." Some people can't help themselves.
@Magnetar17 A bunch are also NOT dinosaurs, sir. Can they reduce their ranks? Yes. Should they? Yes, but strategically, whereas the government functions properly. Each agency isn't in the same position. Don't be one of those guys who complain about the wait time and then say stupid ish like, "Why don't they hire more people!?" Or "I can't believe they don't know what they're doing!?" Knowledge isn't immediately picked up by the new guy. Someone has to train them and pass on needed information. SOPs have to be written in collaboration with those veterans. Or as you called them, dinosaurs.
Since this is only the start of the storm directed at Federal employees, and I expect things to get worse. Please touch on the following. #1 --- The protections Federal employees who have been with the gov't for more than 3 years get and how it pertains to involuntary termination in general and under RIF? #2 --- The protections Federal employees get from being part of the union and covered under a Collective Bargaining Agreement and how it pertains to involuntary termination in general and under RIF? #3 --- The additional protections the disabled are afforded AND veterans with veterans' preference (5pt and 10pt). I am a veteran w/ 5pt veterans' preference. And for what it is worth, I earned that with years of my life in service to this country. [note, my skills are good so I am not worried about that aspect but there is general contempt for gov't employees, so I like to know what protections are available.]
Very interesting this hit my feed. Just chatted with my ex-Director about TW. Too bad our office showed an 23% increase in product ability during COVID times that allowed our office to continue TW. The key was in the rules and controls set in place. Sad there are just different area's, and programs due to the inability for a standardized TW agreement. At times, it's a good thing.
When dealing with the U.S. Government get the best legal professionals you can afford. The "cream" of the legal profession does not work for the U.S. Government. Sometimes the threat of a top notch lawyer will resolve a case without even going to court.
Is this going to affect people that still go into work? I'm a WG employee for the DON and it did read in there about a reduction in force a furlough exc.. there was zero details in it it was a blanket thrown over 2million people so it's really hard to make sense of
Remote work and telework are two different things. I have friends who teleworked for the Veterans Affairs office for years before COVID, and they were productive. During COVID, I noticed that the soldiers who wete against telework, were the controlling, cheaters, those who have kids, and used in office work to escape family responsibilities, and couldn't handle being in the same home, full time with their family.
@@RootinTootinShootinGeechie this is sooo true. Most people who couldn’t stand their spouse’s, or supervisors who had big egos and wanted to see their subordinates, or micromanagers were the ones fighting for RTO.
I don’t know who will read this comment. But for those people who are remote workers. From what I understand that was put out on Friday, January 23 by OPM, they will be assigned a duty station that within 50 miles of their current residence. Therefore, they would probably report to some random field office to sit at a desk and do the work they did at home.
Good! Finally, some common sense. Most of our HR department, the head of human relations, finance, training, etc… work from home. They are not available for meetings nor answer their phones when you call them. It’s become a huge problem!
GSA has been working for the past 15+ years to reduce the office space occupied by Federal agencies. Remote work, telework and office sharing have become the norm. It has greatly reduced the office space that is owned or rented by the Federal Government. As such, there are alot of Federal workers who no longer have an office to return to. It just doesn’t exist. If the intent is to acquire additional office space, OPM needs to talk with GSA since this is not an employee problem. It’s a management problem.
I'm retired now, but I'm pretty sure telework policy was part of the negotiated agreement with the union, and that's likely replicated at most facilities across the country. Wondering if executive orders can override those agreements.
Not sure it matters. We have a convicted felon as president who's ordering this. I fully assume many illegal things will happen and court cases will lag behind dor years. His schedule F employees for any policy making positions are to be fired without due process.... There won't be time to figure out what's legal.
@@rickyrydell Congress tried to pass a return-to-work law in 2023 (I think) and it went through the house, but the Senate never brought it up for a vote, so it did not pass. I believe the contracts would require a new law to be passed by congress in order to nullify an employment agreement before it expires.
Seems like glaring evidence for why private unions are a conflict of interest with government employment. Save some screams for when that issue gets addressed, probably really soon. 🙂
Thank God it took me a year and a half to get a mental health appointment at the Va. Once I got in 6 months ago I found out my doctor works in office once a week ... geez no wonder
@@brett.c1649 that’s more of a staffing/scheduling issue not telework problem. It’s hard for the government to retain talented doctors so a lot are short staffed.
It's hard to know how this will impact people based on the individual agreements. My understanding is that NTEU (National Treasury Union) recently entered into a 5-year contract to retain its current telework practices. I think most telework employees covered by the NTEU have to go into the office once a week (or twice a pay period). I wouldn't think a Memorandum would give any authority to change that contract, and it may instead require a law by congress.... but that's just my assumption/understanding. I could be totally wrong.
I saw this on Reddit as a comment; I do not know if it’s accurate: “EO can't violate an act of congress which the Federal Service Labor-Management Relations is and that's what federal CBAs fall under”
That is my understanding too. Generally, an Executive Order, government wide rule, etc does not defeat a CBA. It would require an act of Congress to nullify a CBA provision. Above all, seek advice from your union's attorney and as always "work now grieve later".
Don’t worry about it folks. This mandate applied broadly to workers who were working from home during the pandemic. There are exemptions for specific situations. As an example, the DOC (commerce) sent an email letter telling its employees to get back to office but so far exempts NOAA, USPTO and its IG. Personally, I know a USPTO patent examiner has been teleworked since 1997. Its Office is fully telework and some of its buildings in Alexandria VA had been sold off. I don’t think the PTO has the means to have every employee coming back in, not all 14000 employees… maybe new hires or probational employees have to come in for a specific length of time.
I recently retired from local government because we all show this coming down the pipe. My agency went from fully remote, then telework in office two days a week, then before I left it has just changed to 3 days in the office. Ex-coworkers are telling me executives are now trying to change policy to go back to full. Although this is a federal guidance, republication run state agencies will follow this too to be in line with Trump. Government jobs have high turn around as it is for low pay. Now it sounds like it might get worse. Trump is just hell bent on passing revengeful policies for no reason. Just for shock and aw.. The executtive orders given are all vauge and have bad grammar and structure.
Just look at who signed the order.... A convicted felon who actually admitted to grabbing women by the .... Privates... Who calls veterans suckers and losers.... Incited and actual riot. Need we say more?
This is helpful.. I'm a 15 year federal government employee. 2yrs ago I transfer to a totally remote position. My duty station is the city I live in. My base employer is in Austin TX... I'm don't want to lose my job
We only got 1 telework day per year, and that was to complete all the required annual training and admin minutia. That was it. You only got credit if you completed all the training.
Am I the only person who doesn’t remember Trump running on this issue during his campaign? He did mention this during his speech but if I knew this was on the agenda 😩😩 smdh
It should go back to a couple days of TW per week. All my private sector white callor friends do not go into an office often at all. Feds have been working very hard the last few years. It is the year 2025, many people can work anywhere with a laptop and phone. The TW has relievde congestion on roads, decreased air pollution and saved regular folks real money.
OPM needs to specifically address those hired under remote work. Telework and remote work are very different. I know many people hired as remote that don’t live anywhere near one of the agency offices. If they are compelled to go into an office who pays their moving expenses?
Remote work and telework are different. I believe telework is guaranteed by Federal law. Also if the order violates union bargaining agreements it may be overruled by a court.
No, not by Federal Law, it's just an agreement between management and the union, our situation is unique in that we went fully remote (duty station is our home) not because of COVID but because the Federal facility we were in was heavily contaminated with lead, asbestos, and 86 other different things, so after that was leaked, they shut it down. But then they spent $20 million on a new 20 year lease in our downtown area and nobody has yet to occupy half of it, but it's also not big enough to bring everyone back in either....
Depends on the work. Our call center requires you to be on the phone, we managers can see everyone's que, we also have specific metrics you must meet daily, weekly, and quarterly. So it didn't matter where you worked as long as you were connected to the VPN.
The Presidential Memo specifically stated "executive branch of Government". Has this changed and is this now applicable to all branches and all agencies of the federal government?
How is your comment relevant to my question. There are three branches of the federal government. Executive, Legislative and Judiciary. The EO only mentions the executive branch. However, the OPM memo seems to indicate all federal employees. But I guess since the OPM only oversees the executive branch, that is my answer.
I just talked to my boss about it, and she said literally nobody knows yet. She thinks the administration doesn't know the difference between telework and remote work, and that until they do they can't advise on remote workers.
My boss hasn’t called us back in yet either. I started back in office full time a couple months ago just to keep the pulse of my unit but I can already see a lot of Reasonable Accommodation requests, attrition and early retirement especially from management. With a host of new hires from the last 2 years you will have inexperienced babies applying for management positions and running the government. Let’s see how that fares.
Exactly! Our HQ only has room for half of the assigned employees. We got rid of our satellite offices. I guess we’ll have to bring in lawn chairs and sit in the hallways. 😊
Our agency also canceled leases that were in the millions every year, saving taxpayers from paying leases and maintenance and security on those buildings. Now there isn’t enough office space to go to.
Our office is dilapidated as if it were the old Oakland coliseum. Falling apart... Substandard 1960s plumbing... Asbestos... 😂😂😂 Not gonna return there anytime soon.... Good try Convict 47.
It's called a reasonable accomodation. You'd need to ask your agency for the RA form. A scheduling A appointment is no help. You need to document why you need a medical accomodation to work from home.
It doesn’t say explicitly if this would apply for federal contractors. My thinking is, it would affect at least those W-2 contractors working at a federal facility who get paid by federal tax revenues
At my facility, there is no space to accommodate everyone going back to office unless we literally sit on each other’s head. We went to hybrid because of that reason not COVID. Go figure Trump.
How do you pay for it? It’s my house, my electricity, my phone! I pay for those not you. Production has gone up since our department started working at home. Government saved money and we are monitored very closely. Stop making stupid comments.
“The department will cancel all existing telework arrangements, except for situational telework, on March 1, and remote workers are expected to return to in-person work by July 1.”
@@melodygeo5951 as far as I understand it... my union contract will prevent a mandated return to work unless it's done via congress. Trumps memo doesn't empower agencies to go against the terms of the bargaining agreements. Or am I missing something?
I work in the DOD. We only have to be in office one day a week currently. I prefer to be in office and have been 5-days a week so this doesn’t really hurt me, but some of my coworkers aren’t happy.
@@ChillWill-q5x just like anything you will have some bad apples. But I can honestly say, my coworkers are some of the hardest working, most ethical people I know….whether in the office or not!
The more chaos he creates with his agenda, more people will realize the huge mistake they made voting for him. It’s easy to look the other way when stuff is happening to other people, but when it lands on your doorstep it’s a different story. It’s going to be a long 4 years.
No, it is going to be GREAT! The public sector is bloated, and needs to be cut by 30% anyway. I want less government, cheaper energy and secure borders, so I LOVE what is happening. Perhaps you should find yourself a REAL job in the private sector? 🙂
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Telework was available pre-covid, just not to the same extent (my agreement required at least 2 days in the office per pay period). Benefits to the agency include: we work when office workers are paid to stay home for office closures, often check on processes that are running in the evening during personal time so if the network dropped or the process failed it can be restarted to run overnight which saves so much time during working hours, etc.
Exactly.. continuity of operations.
Remote work and telework are not the same thing.
Same here! Telework agreement in the federal world started 2010 in congress pre-covid. I go in 2 times a week and it's been proven that more work has been getting done due to less stressful environment and more motivation in doing a great job. Plus, more than 60% of Navy federal workers work 5 days a week only 200,000 are eligible for telework which doesn't mean you get approved.
@krunchy0201 yeah I was doing 2 days a week about 6 months before the pandemic and its made a world of difference. Even when the agency is closed for weather or other reasons, things keep running. Now, I will just leave my equipment at the office and enjoy the snow days.
I’m a DOL remote worker. Crickets from management so far. OPM just implemented a government-wide email probably to disseminate info on returning to the office.
Edit. Whelp. Got the notice. It said wait for further guidance. 😬
Same.. very vague
Further notice is every 2 hours these days
They have to have a meeting about when to have the meeting to discuss the next meeting and then meet to review that information.
I'm a state employee and I know it will trickle down eventually. I haven't asked yet because I know leadership is scrambling behind the scenes.
We telework 2 days per week and got the same email. Seems like upper management is still trying to get info as well. We’re all confused😅
I heard they want employees to return to the office so it will stimulate the economy.
They said this would increase gasoline sales, vehicle sales, car repairs, coffee and restaurant lunch purchases, clothing sales, etc.
I think they want a significant amount of employees to quit so they don’t have to pay unemployment checks. Because most people prefer working at home, not driving in heavy traffic daily, eating lunch at home, saving on child care and not having to pay for dry cleaning.
As long as your job Is done why does it truly matter?
Why do you have a problem supporting the people who support you?
@@sunflowerbaby1853 yup
Some agency units were able to get out of multi-million dollar office leases and sold off most of their office furniture and equipment. So this move is going to cost the government billions of dollars.
@ until they give up and start RIF
If I had to go back in the office, I would not do anything to stimulate the economy. I will bring my lunch every day and for the first time in my life, I will be eating my own food all the time.
As an Aussie fed employee who works MORE since having a hybrid schedule, I feel sorry for my US counterparts. I hope sanity prevails over there. Stand strong and united 💪
My wife works more on a few days a week home and flex schedule. She can work a catch up without office visits and distractions on those days. She has both a home office and work office for national park. With a 40 mile round trip commute in sometimes bad winter weather, it's sometimes safer to work from home.
Don't go to work, you're FIRED! 😘
telework and remote work have been great for our workers and country. Employees are happier, more productive and able to see their families more often.
Remote work and telework aren’t the same thing. Someone should clarify this at some point.
If a facility existed before Covid for your job, then you need to return to it. Stop the BS.
@@ChillWill-q5x I don’t understand the hate for telework, please explain. Telework has made life easier for so many (especially parents) and it helps reduce CO2 emissions
@@ChillWill-q5xI work at a large depot in Utah. They torn down our 1940 era buildings and can't build new buildings fast enough. It is hilarious watching management throw their hands in the air...I am glad I retire in 11 months.
@@ChillWill-q5xwe’ve been teleworking part time since long before Covid. I’ve been there 15 years & have teleworked part time since after 1 year probation. Same arrangement now. This is not new to Covid.
In that order, they interchange the words, telework and remote work those are two different schedules.. Some people don’t have an office to go back to. Also the 50+ hours a week you put in at home is a lot easier to do when you’re not commuting two hours each way
The OPM memo wasn't very professional, seemed to be written by someone with an ax to grind.
@@JeffreyWillis800 I noticed that as well and I noticed that language in all the memos from the Trump admin people. The email we got about getting rid of the DEIA programs was filled with similar kinds of things like calling those programs shameful etc. Not very professional
Ok. I thought it was just me.
Right. @@arkturuslanding2532
It’s hard to write a memo when the source has vague explanations
I thought to and I even mentioned that very thing to several of my coworkers and my supervisor. They all agreed!!
My manager said today that our agency is probably going to be business as usual. The memo feels like it’s a public front. There’s no way to enforce this anytime soon. We don’t have space, most employees are bargaining unit, and the others have managers and teams across the country.
Same with my agency
That’s what most people don’t realise federal agencies have been closings offices to save money. So everyone can’t even fit in one building at the same time
Telework is here to stay
This is why people are frustrated. Federal employees are supposed to be public servants, but your comment drips with entitlement. Federal employees shouldn't even be allowed to have a union. And, there is a very simple way to enforce this order. You return to work, or you lose your job.
@@Zo1963 Exactly. The public can think what they want. That orange man can appease his base, but internally it’s very different.
@ Did you get your tax refund? Were your services delayed? Do you have roads to drive on? Ever got a student loan? Have kids in public school? What about an FHA mortgage? All these people who support the public have worked from home before it was popular during COVID. Since 2010 mins you. Your anger should be at your President who’s proposing to sell government buildings to privately equity firms to then be turned around and leased back to the government. Mind you that’s with your tax dollars, but you don’t sound educated enough to be in a bracket where you even pay them.
Your ignorance and frustration are misplaced.
The OPM memo is filled with lies, misleading citations, and propaganda. It's disgusting that OPM has sunk this low. And disgusting that telework is being ended for literally no reason.
@@LiamRappaport I wouldn't blame OPM as a whole. It's the Trump admin mouthpiece using the unprofessional language and misleading information
@@arkturuslanding2532 It's from the Trump admin. Bunch of blatant lies were in it.
@@arkturuslanding2532 I'm sure the underlings are decent people, but if this is the output of the organization then I'm gonna call it like I see it.
Maybe it's just time for you to contribute to the economy that supports you, instead of living up in your castle like a troll hoarding money. The economy is predicated on services and support, you need to support businesses and buy clothes, and food, and gas, and child care instead of gloating at others and cheering for illegal aliens to work for less money.
@ Obviously, Musk literally said that.
What agencies specifically do you want to see the workforce cut? The ones dealing with food and drug safety, collecting taxes, ensuring national defense, ensuring your drinking water is safe? What evidence do you have that federal agencies are "stealing" and "wasting" "hard earned revenue from taxes? Have you ever worked a government job?
With what factual basis would you make that argument? Have you ever used AI? It's definitely not ready for prime time ubiquitous use yet except, perhaps, in very specific jobs. Why do you target remote jobs specifically? If you work in an office on a computer, you can do that job literally anywhere you have a laptop and an internet connection.
The problem is, some of us have been remote employees for over a decade, and have built our lives around working remotely.
well, maybe you shouldn’t have done that knowing there’s a headquarters where you have to go to work.
don’t get me wrong, i’m not unsympathetic but some employees have been out of control for a while. i know one guy that works in another state and still gets paid by our office for full time work.
@@zhpike0478 I'm in the same boat
@ oh!? so you’re saying it’s a perfect practice!? and many inspectors live nowhere near their sites. you and i both know that. more often than not people are abusing the system. talk to them for doing that. double and triple dipping especially some retirees. it’s disgusting. i’m not saying don’t get yours but you know the kind of people i’m talking about abusing things taking it way too far getting tvs and new furniture every year to maintain budget and WORSE! anyone whose worked ina federal office can detail some horror stories
@@omarlocke4351Same. I know an individual whose duty station is in a HCOL area (Reston) but they live in a LCOL area in NC.
Wahhhhhh, I got a government job, with great benefits, civil service protection and a pension. Cry me a river. You work for we the people. Quit goofing off at home.
I don't work for the govt but it will be interesting to see further guidance. Lives were built around telework / remote work. I would imagine employees would be more productive at home due to hours traveled, employees chit chatting, more in person meetings, etc. Would be better to sell off the unused buildings or downsize to save tax payer money. I imagine supervisors not protected by the CBA will be back in full but employees protected by CBA's will not? No idea here what the power of the above powers can override.
The Govt. leases most of the bldgs. most downsized. non-CBA workers will go into the office and collaborate over laptops.
(MY CASE) I work 3rd shift, why would it make sense to work 8hrs in an empty building all night while I can complete the work from home? My co-workers OR supervisor's aren't even there becasue by the time I get there I LEAVE! This is not a one size fits all. Makes ZERO SENSE to go back for MANY OF US.
My office is “virtually full”.
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Yes all of our field offices were downsized to the point where there is no room for all of us despite the fact that we are still significantly understaffed
I’ve remote worked for years in IT and been more productive than remotely fixing the same machines out of an office.
So glad I retired from the Government. These knuckleheads are going to see a deluge of retirements, private sector losses and of course those losses will be the brightest and best. This is the 21st century and times are changing. The smart employers will look at this as a new norm and get the best employees. Just dumb and for no reason.
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Perfect, then it will be worth it.
Actually, the private sector is doing its best to avoid hiring Americans. That's part of the plan. Private companies hate Americans
The best and brightest don't stay in government.
Good, maybe I can stick this out for a promotion. 😊
There isnt enough space at my agency. I think the president is wielding way too much power over the everyday workers working arrangements with their employer. The President should not be able to override the telework act if 2010 just because he dislikes it. Nor what agency heads deem valuable arrangements to attract and retain talent. Like wtf OPM. It reeks of just being rude and cruel for the sake of it.
Plenty of space BEFORE the China, CovId Virus., You swamp people really think you know more than the public you claim to serve.!
Rudeness and cruelty inspired by Elon Musk, who just personally loathes telework. Is Trump rewarding him for his important support? He's eager to see federal heads roll just like he did at Twitter? I'll bet they're making generalizations without even knowing whether agencies are actually bloated or not. I didn't mind Musk doing what he did to Twitter employees then because they were all censorious, blue-haired, judgy tots loving their power over conservatives. But many federal workers are conservatives, and what we got for voting for Trump this time was people coming at us with lots of hate for what we've been doing successfully since 2011 or 2012.
I mean, when gas stations are paying better wages and have better benefits, it's hard to compete
This is ALL because those in D.C. took advantage of the system!!! The rest of us across the world HAVE BEEN WORKING!! In fact, our organization just let go of the lease for a building we didn't need and production went up 30%. No more meetings about meetings or getting interrupted. The Union has/had been fighting for remote work, telework for decades. They finally won and I'm sure they won't let it go easily!
It's not just DC it's in California as well. They're hardly working. When you mix DEI and work from home together it's a disaster. Most workers and especially Dei have to be under close supervision.
Stop blame shifting either go back or leave.
Do agencies have the physical facilities to support a return to the workplace since many agencies allowed GSA rental leases to expire?
Still trying to understand what happens to fully remote workers who have no office and whose duty station is their home. Do we just go to the nearest federal building, even if it's not for our agency? If so, how would anyone even know we're there if our boss lives in another state?
you could simply ask your boss?
This is the same question I have. The only thing is that that second part that talks about "If your duty station is more than 50 mi away from an agency facility then you have to find one closer or move there or something," which seems to take into account the fact that for a lot of the remotes their duty station is their house
Your answer is in this video and specifically in the memo. Those people go to an office in their commuting area. Get ready for new leases from one agency to the next for office space! 😂
I have a friend in the same situation - she supports the VA in Texas and lives in VA. Her manager is seeking clarification but can't give her any guidance yet. She was hired as a remote worker - there is no place for her to return to.
Sorry you couldn't make it in the private sector. Someone will tell you where to go, don't worry.
What about the Telework Enhancement Act of 2010? "To require the head of each executive agency to establish and implement a policy under which employees SHALL be authorized to telework, and for other purposes."
Ironically, I signed my telework agreement just yesterday right after watching the training. That was the first I had heard of the 2010 Act.
This will cost the Fed govt (us taxpayers) millions of dollars more of taxpayer money.
New space will have to be leased as federal agencies reduced their office space over the last 6-7 years…many agencies have shared cubicles/offices that are occupied by different people on different days of the week depending on their telework schedule. So, there is not enough space for everyone to RTO.
Then, on top of the cost of leasing more office space, more people will be receiving the transportation subsidy-a max of $280/month for using public/mass transit.
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And gee, who will benefit from that sudden windfall of cash when the government swoops in to acquire office space at premium, over-inflated prices?
@@mr-vet yup! I wonder if the rifs will start before or after that
They already have the buildings. They’re empty
@ whatchu talking about Willis? DC?
Most of us are in the building where have he’s been 🙆🏽♀️
There are a lot of federal workers that are remote and not working. They have multiple jobs and businesses while on the federal clock. They are at home full time and not working. Some don't respond or check email and some of their managers are doing the same. Customers and constituents have complained as they have to go thru multi levels of telephone prompts and are not often even able to leave a voicemail within certain agencies. There have been incidents where FEMA employees didn't respond to emergencies, stating that their offices are on remote work schedules, etc. Folks already have a bad perception that "government" workers don't work and then there are those that are abusing the system and spoiling it for everyone. While I'm in office 5 days a week, I've seen employees abuse their telework usage just to stay at home and wait for a repair man to fix their appliance, etc. In a past job I was a remote worker. I stayed near the computer and cell to do my job. Yes, there were times that I would step away for an hour or so, but my supervisor was always aware of what I was doing. I was just talking to a co-worker today about how in private industry, the bottom line is the driving force and they cut a lot of the bureaucracy out of their processes, to speed up the processes to ensure better efficiencies. In some government agencies things require 20 signatures for approval. Factor in any of those 20 persons going on leave for several days (or weeks) or it get's buried down in their email and you can see how things move at a snails pace.
Telework was available when I first started working for the government in 2001, this is not new. This is all pure BS!
I oppose anyone who opposes remote work because it’s just part of a general opposition to workers rights. It makes no sense from a practical standpoint to do a blanket elimination of remote work. I personally prefer a hybrid system which is what most people have been doing for years now. I think that a 50/50 split strikes the right balance. Sometimes it’s beneficial to collaborate in person and sometimes those in person interactions are disruptive and keep you from getting your work done. Sometimes it’s highly beneficial to have someone who can work late or start early because they don’t have to commute, and it’s far easier to cover shifts if people are able to work while traveling, disabled, ill, etc. Federal workers are being used as pawns in a cynical ploy because it’s been acknowledged that the real reason they’re doing this is to get people to quit.
Says the person who works in his pajamas, does laundry and cleans house while working from home.
@@Yohoo272some people abuse it, yes that does happen. Others are efficient and can finish projects faster, that would other wise not be incentivized to do so in person. Or, it's a reactive job like help desk, etc. instead of blanket assumptions, having a way to track that works is actually being done and it's also quality work.
@ it’s not a blanket assumption. I worked for the Government and saw it with my own eyes. 75% or better abuse the system. It’s nearly impossible to fire them.
🤣nice .
@@boondoggle4820 the more comments I read, the more sense of envy I see that can't do the same. They must of not been selected for the position and their chance to telework 😂
So our organization is scrambling because we have the opposite problem. I work at a USAF Depot in Utah with 23,000 civilian and military employees. Over the past 4 years the base has torn down multiple 1940 era buildings. They are not building new buildings fast enough. Currently, we are hot desking two times a week in order to have everyone come in two times per week...we are also working a 5-4-9 schedule. Our management has thrown their hands in the air as they don't know how to implement this new policy. I retire at the end of the year, so it is interesting to watch all the frustration. With the hiring freeze, and the potential to terminate our new hires, I have already been asked about my upcoming retirement.... We are already slammed and I can't imagine taking on any additional workload. Bottom line...not one size fits all. Our management should have the ability to make decisions based upon their lack of resources.
The private sector is going to have a field day having their pick of employees with prepaid $100k clearances.
Doubt it.
Really? This is why people should research and gain an understanding of the issues before voting.
Apparently you haven’t seen the state of the job market aside from a select few fields like nursing.
@@Slowly_We_Rot DoD Aviation try again.
Yeah but the former Federal employees will be pissed because they will now have to work.
I hope the union grow a back bone and opens a lawsuit if those bargaining agreements are violated
Unions in government are a conflict of interest, expect that to be addressed quite soon also. 🙂
@@ChillWill-q5xsays somebdy who never worked for the government hush the noise
AFGE is hot garbage
@@travisivy6313I would pay that clown any attention. I actually went to the union and they save my career for something someone else did that was politically wrong.
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This is beyond idiotic! Most workers or even all federal workers have return to the office in some capacity. This isn’t a return to work, this is a take away of an alternative work schedule that was already in place way before Covid. Congress and unions need to step up
OPM already stated that 60% of government workers are still working remote regularly.
@ 10% is remote. Which is zero in person in building . 56% or so teleworks 1 to 3 days out the week
@@ChillWill-q5x Please learn the difference between remote and telework if you want to be taken serious as a troll...lol That must be that new common core math because per OMB about 54% of the entire federal workforce can't telework at all. Since you are not a fed, you do not realize that there are a vast number of fed jobs like doctors, nurses, aids, mental health professionals, janitorial staff and maintenance staff, security, police etc etc etc that obviously cannot and do not telework. Only 10% of the total workforce are remote and many aren't "still" working remotely. They were hired as a remote employee and have never worked in an office smh
@@ChillWill-q5xthose figures were wrong and exaggerated . Only 10% are remote upon updated reports.
Can they? Serious question.
I’m asking because I read someone else say something of the sorts. She said that this is going to disrupt the lives of so many people who lives changed (Revolves around work from home) after Covid and and disrupt the mental health of so many.
He said congress and other agencies of power need to step in.
The thing is just because you’re not in the office doesn’t mean you’re working any more or less. Productivity has been the same or higher for remote work which is WHY it wasn’t cut off after COVID. Management was so scared of it pre COVID and then once it hit they realized that work carried on as usual without skipping a beat (if you didn’t have work that requires you to be there in person). Let’s be realistic, before covid no one could get in touch with HR anyway so having them work at home was pretty much the same as having them in office…I digress..No one is thinking about that most government employees are adults and behave as such. Of course you have your outliers but overall this is all based PERCEPTION and NOT reality and I really hate that. So what if someone is at home working in their day time pajamas. The work is being done. I’ve worked remote and it’s been a godsend for my family and finances and I usually work even more cause I have flexibility. Most people work harder in those type of positions cause they want to keep the privilege than going into the office everyday (it really isn’t necessary in most office jobs. I really liked the hybrid approach as well cause you can work but not have to deal with depressing work environments, commutes, pointless water cooler convos, annoying boss/coworkers, harassment issues, etc. it was a good balance of work and life.
Not true
Very true for various agencies
@@Yohoo272 it is true for many, my team of system admins is small but we squeeze out more work hours not having to deal with commuting... I have no problem working late if need be while teleworking but my days in the office I'm out as soon as my shift is up to deal with traffic so I can see my wife and kids.
I honestly get disrupted way more in office than I do at home behind my locked door.
Bravo!! I am a federal worker, and you've done a good job of expressing it. Perks for us: less car usage, maintenance issues, and gasoline; Less clothing and meal costs; yes, throw a load of laundry in on your 15 minute breaks or scrub a cooking pot!; yes, avoid the toxic co-workers, talkative ones, too, and all depressing social environments! Why do people care if we don't get out of our pajamas? My customers rave about me and my work section, saying we far outshine others they've worked with, so sometimes I feel like telling them this output that is making you so relieved and happy is brought to you by someone in their pajamas. And that stuff we hope to avoid makes us more productive because most of us are conscientious workers, but suddenly our countrymen are hell-bent on maligning us, as if they know how we behave, and what our output is.
I waste an hour the days i go into the office because i have to wait for my laptop to connect to the intrnet in the offices..how is thet being fking productive???
Payback for laying him off in 2020 and involvement in holding the don accountable. He said he would seek retribution. The problem is that many of them voted for him.
I am a remote federal employee. My official duty station is my home address. I am responsible for visiting Veteran’s in an assigned territory which is outside of 50 miles from a VA facility. I am curious how this is going to play out for me??? Of note, my supervisor is in California and I am in Arizona. Our headquarters is in Utah.
My guess is that you’ll have to be based from a VA nearby. If you’re union or space isn’t available then it’s going to be a while
I would wager that if you were hired specifically to work remotely, then nothing will change for you. "RETURN" to office, get it?
@ ya the juice isn’t worth the squeeze
You might be out of a job buddy. I'm sorry, but sounds like we don't need you. In and out burger just opened in Phoenix. You can apply online. Good luck 🤞
@@Bailey-cx7zz Nothing changing for me. But I will definitely visit In n Out and get some food. Cheers
If all telework employees return yo office…no one will be working during an emergency or inclement weather
That's a good thing for you. Free day off with pay.
@@teresaswingle3004 office closures unless they let/make you have adhoc telework for those days
@@teresaswingle3004 that’s exactly what’s going to happen. It’s like they don’t even remember what happened during COVID when people sat home for months on paid leave because they weren’t telework ready.
@@teresaswingle3004 I wonder how children still go to school.
This is a ridiculous argument.
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Air Force Pentagon here our general told us that you know it’s gonna be the end of remote contracts and get back to work although we don’t have the guidance yet we just have meetings and discussions. They’re gonna have lease space in Crystal city or find a space in Andrews Air Force Base but I see them moving forward to comply with the orders.
I use to have my office in crystal city now our office is merged into HQ so will be moving back to DC
We have to pay for parking so teleworking was great for us! We would alternate days to make sure they were employees in the building and now this 😢😢😢. I’m so dreading this I’m going to be wasting $50 a week in parking.
Edit: we are back in office full time February 9th. There isn’t enough space so I guess we’ll be sharing cubicles 😂. If I had enough work experience I would have quit by now but I’m just entry so I’m going to push through
Great job explaining !
Federal employees who voted for Trump should feel really stupid. This is what you voted for.
I voted for him and have no regrets. I knew this was coming. I will gladly return to the office.
@@michealsizemore1you must not have to balance family work life and can afford to pay an extra $609 monthly to before and after care just so someone can watch employees kids while going to and coming from the office. You voted to make young families poorer. Thanks
Gladly return... but what's the benefit to you? Yes u will follow orders like a good sheep... BUT WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU?
@arij1129 You're welcome.
@sozb6708 What's in it for me, you ask. Not having Joe Biden as president. That is good enough for me. Have a nice night.
Why does it seem like there’s always a bad apple in the bunch? This latest return-to-work policy will undermine the success of all the other efficient policies that benefit the American people. Consistency is demanded of this administration, and when a policy directly conflicts with the rest of the agenda, humility requires a modified stance.
The overall goal of government efficiency stands in stark contrast to the return-to-work mandate. Remote work saves hours spent in traffic, thousands of dollars in maintenance, repairs, and gas costs, reduces the number of traffic accidents, cuts down building and overhead expenses, and, perhaps most importantly, improves employees’ mental health. The argument that remote workers are unproductive is weak, at best. Regardless of what studies claim-and they go both ways-if an employee isn’t performing, they get fired. They aren’t handed a lucrative resignation package.
No, this policy isn’t really about productivity. It’s about the economy. Auto shops, restaurants, office supply stores, hospitals, and commercial real estate investors are all losing money. And let’s not forget that our President is himself a commercial real estate investor. It’s hard to ignore the possibility that this policy is about manipulating the market to prop up a sector that hasn’t adapted to changing times.
When technology and society evolve, the market must evolve to meet them. Clinging to outdated practices-like insisting everyone use a corded landline when we all have cellphones-is another example of a bad apple spoiling the bunch.
I HATE telework for myself; however, due to the isolated nature of land management agencies' offices, remote work is necessary in recruitment due to the lack of housing and community resources.
My question is what is the difference between an Executive Order (EO) and Presidential Memorandum (PM)? The Return to Work was identified as a PM and not an EO. Could this difference affect the outcome for remote work?
I feel like he is looking right at me.
I'm waiting for my agency to send out guidance on this and also let us know when we need to start commuting to the office 5 days a week. 🤷🏾♀️
Same here. Waiting on word on which office to go to. I’ve been working remotely for 5 years now. Nothing coming down from our leadership yet.
Some agencies already prepped for this with unions signing collective bargaining agreements all the way out to 2029.
We couldn’t get our collective bargaining agreement done in time and outgoing chairman didn’t want to sign it prior to the new administration taking office.
This has Elon Musk stink all over it.
Yep-Trump hd no issue with telework in 2016.
More Tesla sales for commuting, and a stimulus to the big bankers holding corporate real estate.
yes I don't like that dude...he was comparing a person assembling cars that actually requries to be there...with a person that requries to do work with a computer...he said that is was not fair...well maybe the dude in the Computer worked and went to College to be able to work in a computer...I just don't like all of this...2 or 3 guys taking decisions without caring about the impact of federal employees.
@@AB-mx9lx exactly. We invested time, money, and specialization for the specific purpose of having remote job options. It's fair. Everyone has equal opportunities. This argument is like DEIs equal outcomes, except the Republican version.
@@internetoverland💯 You’re exactly right.
So much for work life balance. I think going into the office 2 times per pay period is enough. Trump is a bitter, vengeful, greedy man.
What, you couldn’t work before all this telework?
My 3 hour commute is a waste of time and energy.
Always remember that "work life balance" is for the upper department heads. The grunts are supposed to fixate on work 24/7 because if you aren't physically at work being yelled at by a protected from any lawsuit boss, you aren't working.
cry harder!
Federal employees who voted for Trump voted for this. Oh well.
It is a question I am always thinking about as I look around the faces at the office on my days in.
A bunch are dinosaurs who can retire.
@@mewpoet well the only people commenting are the teleworking employees that should be working.
"Oh well"
@InitialFailure Why would I choose to believe such an unfounded claim? I don't work for the government, and I commented. Look, dude, my claim is factual. You're all in your feelings. "Oh well." Some people can't help themselves.
@Magnetar17 A bunch are also NOT dinosaurs, sir. Can they reduce their ranks? Yes. Should they? Yes, but strategically, whereas the government functions properly. Each agency isn't in the same position. Don't be one of those guys who complain about the wait time and then say stupid ish like, "Why don't they hire more people!?" Or "I can't believe they don't know what they're doing!?" Knowledge isn't immediately picked up by the new guy. Someone has to train them and pass on needed information. SOPs have to be written in collaboration with those veterans. Or as you called them, dinosaurs.
Since this is only the start of the storm directed at Federal employees, and I expect things to get worse.
Please touch on the following.
#1 --- The protections Federal employees who have been with the gov't for more than 3 years get and how it pertains to involuntary termination in general and under RIF?
#2 --- The protections Federal employees get from being part of the union and covered under a Collective Bargaining Agreement and how it pertains to involuntary termination in general and under RIF?
#3 --- The additional protections the disabled are afforded AND veterans with veterans' preference (5pt and 10pt). I am a veteran w/ 5pt veterans' preference. And for what it is worth, I earned that with years of my life in service to this country. [note, my skills are good so I am not worried about that aspect but there is general contempt for gov't employees, so I like to know what protections are available.]
Very interesting this hit my feed. Just chatted with my ex-Director about TW. Too bad our office showed an 23% increase in product ability during COVID times that allowed our office to continue TW. The key was in the rules and controls set in place. Sad there are just different area's, and programs due to the inability for a standardized TW agreement. At times, it's a good thing.
When dealing with the U.S. Government get the best legal professionals you can afford.
The "cream" of the legal profession does not work for the U.S. Government. Sometimes the threat of a top notch lawyer will resolve a case without even going to court.
Is this going to affect people that still go into work? I'm a WG employee for the DON and it did read in there about a reduction in force a furlough exc.. there was zero details in it it was a blanket thrown over 2million people so it's really hard to make sense of
Remote work and telework are two different things. I have friends who teleworked for the Veterans Affairs office for years before COVID, and they were productive.
During COVID, I noticed that the soldiers who wete against telework, were the controlling, cheaters, those who have kids, and used in office work to escape family responsibilities, and couldn't handle being in the same home, full time with their family.
Yes, they are different. Sadly, the term "remote work" is being used interchangeably.
@@RootinTootinShootinGeechie this is sooo true. Most people who couldn’t stand their spouse’s, or supervisors who had big egos and wanted to see their subordinates, or micromanagers were the ones fighting for RTO.
I don’t know who will read this comment. But for those people who are remote workers. From what I understand that was put out on Friday, January 23 by OPM, they will be assigned a duty station that within 50 miles of their current residence. Therefore, they would probably report to some random field office to sit at a desk and do the work they did at home.
Good! Finally, some common sense. Most of our HR department, the head of human relations, finance, training, etc… work from home. They are not available for meetings nor answer their phones when you call them. It’s become a huge problem!
GSA has been working for the past 15+ years to reduce the office space occupied by Federal agencies. Remote work, telework and office sharing have become the norm. It has greatly reduced the office space that is owned or rented by the Federal Government. As such, there are alot of Federal workers who no longer have an office to return to. It just doesn’t exist.
If the intent is to acquire additional office space, OPM needs to talk with GSA since this is not an employee problem. It’s a management problem.
Does the memorandum from OPM address adhering to the Telework Enhancement Act of 2010? In other words, not an end to telework?
@@jasonpeters8255 nope and not really. The executive has a lot of leeway in making decisions about policies
Can we begin to measure performance or productivity? Have goals been missed/not achieved?
I'm retired now, but I'm pretty sure telework policy was part of the negotiated agreement with the union, and that's likely replicated at most facilities across the country. Wondering if executive orders can override those agreements.
Not sure it matters. We have a convicted felon as president who's ordering this. I fully assume many illegal things will happen and court cases will lag behind dor years. His schedule F employees for any policy making positions are to be fired without due process.... There won't be time to figure out what's legal.
If it was not passed by Congress, any agreement with Biden is moot.
@@rickyrydell Congress tried to pass a return-to-work law in 2023 (I think) and it went through the house, but the Senate never brought it up for a vote, so it did not pass. I believe the contracts would require a new law to be passed by congress in order to nullify an employment agreement before it expires.
will have do I&I with the union
Seems like glaring evidence for why private unions are a conflict of interest with government employment. Save some screams for when that issue gets addressed, probably really soon. 🙂
Thank God it took me a year and a half to get a mental health appointment at the Va. Once I got in 6 months ago I found out my doctor works in office once a week ... geez no wonder
@@brett.c1649 that’s more of a staffing/scheduling issue not telework problem. It’s hard for the government to retain talented doctors so a lot are short staffed.
That's not the reason silly 😂
Many doctors have more then one offce and rotate so they may be at a particular office x times a month, it is a very common thing.
@@ingiford175 she said she works mon in office and remote the rest of the week
It's hard to know how this will impact people based on the individual agreements. My understanding is that NTEU (National Treasury Union) recently entered into a 5-year contract to retain its current telework practices. I think most telework employees covered by the NTEU have to go into the office once a week (or twice a pay period). I wouldn't think a Memorandum would give any authority to change that contract, and it may instead require a law by congress.... but that's just my assumption/understanding. I could be totally wrong.
I saw this on Reddit as a comment; I do not know if it’s accurate:
“EO can't violate an act of congress which the Federal Service Labor-Management Relations is and that's what federal CBAs fall under”
Which is why private unions in government are a complete conflict of interest and will be dealt with as well, stand by.
That is my understanding too. Generally, an Executive Order, government wide rule, etc does not defeat a CBA. It would require an act of Congress to nullify a CBA provision. Above all, seek advice from your union's attorney and as always "work now grieve later".
@@SomeGuyFromUtah it’s subject to bargaining so prolly not gonna happen to you for a while
Just a dumb troll with a crappy job that requires them in the office 5 days a week. Sucks to be you!
Don’t worry about it folks. This mandate applied broadly to workers who were working from home during the pandemic. There are exemptions for specific situations. As an example, the DOC (commerce) sent an email letter telling its employees to get back to office but so far exempts NOAA, USPTO and its IG. Personally, I know a USPTO patent examiner has been teleworked since 1997. Its Office is fully telework and some of its buildings in Alexandria VA had been sold off. I don’t think the PTO has the means to have every employee coming back in, not all 14000 employees… maybe new hires or probational employees have to come in for a specific length of time.
This is what the voters wanted…
@@lastpme citizens and anyone in DoD that knows better*
DemocRATS shouldn't have run the US into the ground then or nominated a dementia patient for nearly an entire election cycle.
Thanks 👏🏾
Republicans: Let's brake the Government.
Also Republicans: Government doesn't work!!
Gas, man, gas!
Break.
I recently retired from local government because we all show this coming down the pipe. My agency went from fully remote, then telework in office two days a week, then before I left it has just changed to 3 days in the office. Ex-coworkers are telling me executives are now trying to change policy to go back to full. Although this is a federal guidance, republication run state agencies will follow this too to be in line with Trump. Government jobs have high turn around as it is for low pay. Now it sounds like it might get worse.
Trump is just hell bent on passing revengeful policies for no reason. Just for shock and aw.. The executtive orders given are all vauge and have bad grammar and structure.
Saving taxpayers money is NOT “revengeful”
@@zm5513 None of this is about "saving taxpayers money" You don't live in reality if you believe that
@@zebrashark23 if you decrease the numbers of employees you save money .. pretty basic math
This is going to increase Gov spending because I know quite a few leased offices that were vacated. This is all impulsive, per usual
Just look at who signed the order.... A convicted felon who actually admitted to grabbing women by the .... Privates... Who calls veterans suckers and losers.... Incited and actual riot. Need we say more?
Borderless employment appears to be the new frontier. I love it and I get to travel the country in my camper.
This is helpful.. I'm a 15 year federal government employee. 2yrs ago I transfer to a totally remote position. My duty station is the city I live in. My base employer is in Austin TX... I'm don't want to lose my job
You won’t they will have you work from the closest field office reporting to your original duty station or they will pay for your move
@@MajesticLawnGnomehow do you know this and how does that save the taxpayer's money?
What does that mean for remote workers? I live in FL and my office is in PA
We only got 1 telework day per year, and that was to complete all the required annual training and admin minutia. That was it. You only got credit if you completed all the training.
Am I the only person who doesn’t remember Trump running on this issue during his campaign? He did mention this during his speech but if I knew this was on the agenda 😩😩 smdh
Sounds like u voted for this… thanks!
Leopards eating your face huh?
🙄
Yea and what about OPM’s employees that work remotely? Most of them like myself live in Connecticut and I’m
Not moving for that job
It should go back to a couple days of TW per week. All my private sector white callor friends do not go into an office often at all. Feds have been working very hard the last few years. It is the year 2025, many people can work anywhere with a laptop and phone. The TW has relievde congestion on roads, decreased air pollution and saved regular folks real money.
The objective is to get alot of retires, quits, and terminations. Gov is too big.
OPM needs to specifically address those hired under remote work. Telework and remote work are very different. I know many people hired as remote that don’t live anywhere near one of the agency offices. If they are compelled to go into an office who pays their moving expenses?
Remote work and telework are different. I believe telework is guaranteed by Federal law. Also if the order violates union bargaining agreements it may be overruled by a court.
Good luck
No, not by Federal Law, it's just an agreement between management and the union, our situation is unique in that we went fully remote (duty station is our home) not because of COVID but because the Federal facility we were in was heavily contaminated with lead, asbestos, and 86 other different things, so after that was leaked, they shut it down. But then they spent $20 million on a new 20 year lease in our downtown area and nobody has yet to occupy half of it, but it's also not big enough to bring everyone back in either....
@@ChillWill-q5x Hater
Great Show!
Traffic is going to be twist. More gas used. More oil demand for fuel. Better for him and the oil investors
Very unprofessional memorandum, and poorly written.
Did you expect anything else?
@xrandy11 good point
Its crazy some people on here saying the employees should be able to work from home continually without even knowing what these people jobs are
My client told me theyre planning on Weekly Reviews of what the worker accomplished that week. Apparently some she said, dont do much.
That's a management problem. Managers are responsible for delegating and managing workloads.
Depends on the work. Our call center requires you to be on the phone, we managers can see everyone's que, we also have specific metrics you must meet daily, weekly, and quarterly. So it didn't matter where you worked as long as you were connected to the VPN.
The Presidential Memo specifically stated "executive branch of Government". Has this changed and is this now applicable to all branches and all agencies of the federal government?
Or is it the executive branch that is responsible for telling all federal employees to return to the office?
@@briandarling7276 you... you don't understand that the POTUS is the Chief of Staff for the DoD?
How is your comment relevant to my question. There are three branches of the federal government. Executive, Legislative and Judiciary. The EO only mentions the executive branch. However, the OPM memo seems to indicate all federal employees. But I guess since the OPM only oversees the executive branch, that is my answer.
@@briandarling7276 bingo
In-person. Not In-office.
I just talked to my boss about it, and she said literally nobody knows yet. She thinks the administration doesn't know the difference between telework and remote work, and that until they do they can't advise on remote workers.
My boss hasn’t called us back in yet either. I started back in office full time a couple months ago just to keep the pulse of my unit but I can already see a lot of Reasonable Accommodation requests, attrition and early retirement especially from management. With a host of new hires from the last 2 years you will have inexperienced babies applying for management positions and running the government. Let’s see how that fares.
Get em back to the office so you dont have to wait 2 hours on hold to get Govt emp to answer the dam phone.
They didn’t realize how much money was being saved with leasing less office space. We don’t have enough workspaces for everyone to return full time.
Exactly! Our HQ only has room for half of the assigned employees. We got rid of our satellite offices. I guess we’ll have to bring in lawn chairs and sit in the hallways. 😊
Our agency also canceled leases that were in the millions every year, saving taxpayers from paying leases and maintenance and security on those buildings. Now there isn’t enough office space to go to.
Our office is dilapidated as if it were the old Oakland coliseum. Falling apart... Substandard 1960s plumbing... Asbestos... 😂😂😂 Not gonna return there anytime soon.... Good try Convict 47.
Sounds like schedule A documentation could help keep a telework agreement secure.
with him ending EEOC I think even schedule A and using vet status is gone
It's called a reasonable accomodation. You'd need to ask your agency for the RA form. A scheduling A appointment is no help. You need to document why you need a medical accomodation to work from home.
So people who were hired to work remote and don't have an office to go into what are they to do. Lawsuit coming.
It's my understanding that they will find an agency office for you.
@@solaprose5042 In which you are still working remotely from the rest of your team... what's the point?
It doesn’t say explicitly if this would apply for federal contractors. My thinking is, it would affect at least those W-2 contractors working at a federal facility who get paid by federal tax revenues
Just like when a auto plants closes and moves to another area! They must move, or find a new job! This has happened to thousands of Auto workers!
I would love to work from home but don't at all have that option in my line of work.
I’ll take more sick days for $1,000 Chuck. I Haven’t taken one of those in two years.
At my facility, there is no space to accommodate everyone going back to office unless we literally sit on each other’s head. We went to hybrid because of that reason not COVID. Go figure Trump.
The rest of America has to show up for work in person, why shouldn't the government workers WE pay for?? 💯
We aren't tax EXEMPT so WE PAY FOR IT AS WELL!!! Because some work can actually be done remotely!
The rest of America is also teleworking and working remotely. Lots of corporate and international jobs are remote
@@ritaturner9906 Exactly! Nearly all my friends in the private sector making 3 times more (300-400k) work remotely.
How do you pay for it? It’s my house, my electricity, my phone! I pay for those not you. Production has gone up since our department started working at home. Government saved money and we are monitored very closely. Stop making stupid comments.
@@elizabetht7420we work remotely and our income has not doubled or tripled, how is that possible in the federal government? Please educate me?
“The department will cancel all existing telework arrangements, except for situational telework, on March 1, and remote workers are expected to return to in-person work by July 1.”
what department though? I'm guessing that's far too broad to apply across the entire federal workforce.
What is this quoted from? What agency?
It’s the OPM memo that’s coming out tomorrow to various agencies..it’s true
@@melodygeo5951 as far as I understand it... my union contract will prevent a mandated return to work unless it's done via congress. Trumps memo doesn't empower agencies to go against the terms of the bargaining agreements. Or am I missing something?
@@melodygeo5951how did you see it?
I don't know where these people are working. I worked at the we were barely allowed to work remotely.
@@colettemcwilliams1325 I work for the National Park service and have worked remotely since 2010
I work in the DOD. We only have to be in office one day a week currently. I prefer to be in office and have been 5-days a week so this doesn’t really hurt me, but some of my coworkers aren’t happy.
@@mejfarmer I know plenty of people still "working from home" in DOD, and I know how insanely abused and ridiculous it has been.
@@ChillWill-q5x just like anything you will have some bad apples. But I can honestly say, my coworkers are some of the hardest working, most ethical people I know….whether in the office or not!
@ One can be honest, hard working and ethical all they want, but paid time off is paid time off, and no one ever complained about less work.
Anyone know what the 50 miles thing means?
Relocation.
Good news for Biden since he left his government job before the “return to work” mandate kicked in. 👍
The more chaos he creates with his agenda, more people will realize the huge mistake they made voting for him. It’s easy to look the other way when stuff is happening to other people, but when it lands on your doorstep it’s a different story. It’s going to be a long 4 years.
No, it is going to be GREAT! The public sector is bloated, and needs to be cut by 30% anyway.
I want less government, cheaper energy and secure borders, so I LOVE what is happening.
Perhaps you should find yourself a REAL job in the private sector? 🙂
It's another beautiful Trump-Day in the USA-neighborhoods...
A little birdie told me If you were hired to do remote work and then subsequently told to come in, legally they have to pay to move you