I'm an INTP and I'm really confused right now. I'm taking ADHD medication because I think I have it, but Im learning that INTPs have a hard time focusing on one thing, are always in their heads and often forgetting things. What if I don't have ADHD and I'm just a normal INTP
There's a difference between having a difficulty focusing on one thing, and being unable to do it. ADHD is whenever you experience a complete inability to focus even in situations when it is absolutely necessary. An INTP can focus, an INTP with adhd can't, even if they force it, so that's how you can tell the difference -- are you just lazy or are you mentally unable to Sj?
@@ErikThor I really don't know man. And I really wish I did. If I'm lazy then there's no excuse I should be able to do my homework, but more often then not it's sooooo hard to concentrate. I'm in second year electrical engineering and I notice that I randomly stop paying attention in lectures, not because I get distracted by talking or looking at my phone but because of something else. And I don't know what it is.
Studies on focus have shown most people can not retain their focus for longer than 50 minutes and begin to fade off after that, and we have to all admit we have a limited amount of attention and make sure we put this attention towards the right things. It sounds like you're within the healthy range, but give yourself a break sometimes, sometimes you can be lazy and sometimes you can skip your homework, find healthy ways to portion your attention so you don't completely detach from everything. And a lot of what you say sounds Ni (INTP-Ni) :)
Ever stop and think they're subduing us intps by telling us we have disorders? I personally dont have anything. Cant stay focused on stuff all the time. I either get distracted or bored, but it's not an issue nor ever been a problem.
I'm an INTP and I'm so bad at math. I enjoy it when i understand it because of how formulaic it is. But understanding those formulas just doesn't come easy for me.
I am not great at math when the numbers don't have real world meaning behind them. I am only good at doing math when I know why and how it works and more importantly when I know what kind of real world problem that the equation will solve.
@@SabeloNada00 i mean like I can abstract subjects and stuff in math. I just need to know what the math is used to solve and i can piece together my self. I hate when math teachers just give you steps or tricks and don't say why they work. I need to understand why shit works or I wont remember steps. But end of the day mbti is not innacurate but its a little black and white. And tbh im not bad at math relative to most. I didnt do any homework last year and put no effort in during class and passed with a 65. Its just bad relative to the rest of my grades, this semester im tryna force myself to work at it and most of the things i didnt get are pretty easy lmao i just didnt try. I couldnt understand factoring all of last year and figured it out in like one day after trying lol
I am an INTP and in my head is always a chaos because I really dont know what I want it is like I have all possibilities right in my head and I dont know which one I want sometimes I just dont give a f*** and I am enjoying my life even I know there will be always ocean of thoughts I just feel like I am everything and I dont know who I want to be just right now and who I want to be tommorow if that makes sense to you I just feel connected to everything at the same time and depends on mood I am doing what I want and it is often other then it was before (sorry for my english I speak different language)
I know EXACTLY what you mean and man I wish I could just channel it into one thing and be fully focused and happy without feeling like each option is either too big or stupid or I am too little too late. I meditate but here I still am..
Ladislav Ovsák That's how I feel. I wish I could have many lives so I could experience different things and go with all the possibilities because I don't know how to pick just one.
It's Exactly the same thing as mine. Whenever taking personality test I think everything is right and wrong. But when I'm doing it seriously my logical thinking dominates over emotion and I don't feel bad. Also I can fake a personality test.
I am an INTP philosopher. This information seems extremely accurate. I can be very good at hard sciences, but it isn't my focus. My focus is on social science, and understanding the meaning of life. I study metaphysical and religious metaphysical concepts to a high level of vast detail about how the universe exists in the spiritual sense. Such things are very easy for me to understand and extend my understanding of further. I apply such ideas and thoughts in a very complex logical sense.
Yes, I was naturally good at math and science. While I loved it, even something dry like math (dry to some maybe), I took it to a philosophical level, seeing abstract things within it. My joy came from abstract/philosophical thinking about the meaning of things, great or minuscule. Also at the moment, I am thinking Issac Newton might have been a philosopher type. He dedicated his later life in such pursuit, though he was a brilliant physicist.
I am assuming that all INTPs who become aware that they are INTPs will eventually end up here. It’s like a dog whistle, lol. I am now trying to integrate this new self awareness into the larger framework of reality. I am still putting the prices together, but does anyone know what happens if you through ADHD into the mix? Maybe that’s why I cannot focus on which hat to choose. They are are so useful. I think I am the subtype the cut up all the hats and just made them into one big hat, thus my hat is bigger than yours! Lol.
i tend to switch between the philosopher and the hacker when i have no clear goal i default to the philosopher with a goal i default to the hacker but the rebel is constant
Interesting enough a doctor told me I had adhd. Lucky for me I knew how my brain worked during and after i began taking the pills. For 2 months. They made me awake for for longer periods and I really felt weird on them. I wasn't focused and actually stopped thinking as much as I did. Honestly I'd take them again if wanted to be high. 😂😂
Oop I was also just diagnosed with ADHD and don’t know how to feel abt that. I wonder if it’s common for INTPs to be misdiagnosed because many of us seem to be lazy and don’t like to put in the energy to concentrate on subjects we don’t care about. I’m not sure how people get diagnosed with ADHD or what they use to draw a conclusion (testimony from parents/the person in question? Grades? Idk) but it’s just a thought as I’ve seen multiple people who claim to be INTPs also have ADHD
Infinity FOX I wrote a massively long comment explaining INTP and ADD/ADHD. Look at the comment that was pinned to the top of this video thread. You will see my response at the bottom. It should give you everything you need to know to help you develop a framework through which to begin your research on this subject matter. Good luck.
Introverted Intuition: finding peace. Studying, Mythology, Religion, philosophy, psychology, sociology, history, cosmology, well the list goes on. taoïsm, some branches of budism and hinduism. Nonduality. That some of these subjects seen absurd to many people is not of any concern to me. And that looking for peace is the path of least resistence is untrue. You might find aspects about yourself you will not like along the way.
Yeah, this is the path I've taken. Why? Because i can't get myself to do my homework, so my idea was that if i figured myself out, studying negative and positive mental feedback loops and stuff like that, I'd be able to get myself to actually do stuff outside of my imagination. It hasn't really worked yet, but I've learned a lot along the way, and I'm certainly improving in the long term. What's amazing is that as awareness/understanding grows, so does confidence.
xynx I literally didn’t do a single night of homework my junior or senior year of high school. I could never bring myself to do it and I certainly wasn’t going to do it just because an authority figure said to. We’re a stubborn bunch INTPs.
Philosopher : When I'm disconnected from the world and my introvertion is highlighted. Scientist: When facing important decisions and at work( I'm a research engineer) Hacker : When I'm connected with the notion of purpose and I'm following my goals, trying to improve myself and the world Rebel: when I'm energetic, light and enthusiastic
i resonated so strongly with the philosopher one. i’m definitely INTP, Ti-dom to the core, but i have some traits that make people think i’m a Feeler, lol. i’m an artist and i like keeping the peace.
Yes! At about 13:00 you talk about switching subtypes circumstantially, the very idea I've been wanting to ask you about. Thank you for making this all so clear. Your insights into personality type truly represent a furtherance of the field. Keep on, and thank you for so generously sharing your thoughts with us.
i know you have asked this before, sorry it took a while to reply :) My friends coined the term erik thor years to describe the speed at which i process things lol. :)
I think funadamental priorities are the thing at work. Somethings, u just know. That if u change this part of yourself. Then you literally have changed everything about u.
I was a hacker in my childhood, became a rebel against authorities in my teens, worked as a computer scientist in my 20’s and 30’s, switched into an Asian medicine practitioner and philosopher after 40’s. Lol, pretty interesting.
I'm most likely the rebel sub-type. Choosing a different way for me means that I don't think the widely accepted ways of doing things are necessarily right for me, and I like to have options that are more fitting for me. I don't really see there is a "right way" to do anything. Because anything that is touted to be the "right way" is only that way because people have widely accepted it as the only way and their only option. That annoys the crap out of me. Sometimes though, I have to admit I like to do things different ways than the accepted norm just to show people their is an option to the "norm". And sometimes it's just more fun. Btw, you have a great understanding of other mbti types. You're doing such a good job =).
John W I think the world is a balance of pain/suffering and beauty/meaning. I think meaning and beauty can only be discovered not created just like the truth. I think the key to having a long lasting society is allowing truth and individual sovereignty to be paramount.
Yea same. I always fought with other type of INTP. But if that is interesting, safe and necessary for the world, i will join. But INTP is always interesting
That's what I piqued my interest as well I came across a video about Fibonacci sequences actually and the link between mathematics and nature/ the physical world
OH God, the story of my life haha!!! The Subtypes now i know i am a INTP. I rock all four subtypes. Used to think i might be on a borderline to another personality type.
But I'm also a mathematician and a philosopher, so... anyways, I might fine art minor, and try to figure out if I can quadruple major because I just can't choose.
I tried studying art but ironically the teachers don't like creativity outside of their style. When I intentionally make a piece look like a 5 year old did it, they love it. If I do an abstract piece based on a law of physics, nope. I felt as though I could never truly explore my creativity and my own style, and ended up dropping out :/ how did you handle study?
I am going to tell you as an intp. They are more like a four diffrent hats... and yes we can wear all four at once. At the logic tree we use will follow which ever order we put the hats on... heck some of use don't like the way a hat fits so we don't use it unless we have no other choice. Most of use wear at least two of these all the time... one in the driver's seat the other as a double check... some will do all four. time practicing this and maturity to a lesser degree is the only real difference. Two comes quit naturally, like zero effort required. You might not see the other hat but trust me it is there and it is working it's magic. We will show a preference for one in a given situation interestingly depending on the group the hat you see will often be our weakest hat... because we want our minds working on the problem undisturbed even though we are interacting with a person.
This was my reaction as well. It makes sense. How a person reacts isn't static just as environment is not. I relate to all of these to a degree depending on circumstances.
Is anyone els hung up on when he said “use” instead of “us”? I appreciate everyone’s input and mean no disrespect but I had a pet peeve moment. Im not at all trying to be rude. So forgive me. I understand it could be taken that way.
I guess it all boils down to the environmental influences in which an INTP may want to venture such area. Every INTP can/may/will experience all those mentioned subtypes by the surrounding in which we need to survive from.
Enjoyed the method in which you dissected the hacker subtype. Its not normal for me to watch a video and think "!!!that's relatable!!!" but yeah....love this type of longform style content.
observing people and enjoy analysis the real reason behind what they did (which is almost funny) reading books , haveing multiple interests , art , introvert , very good at math and science ,playing games is wasting for time unless they include brain challengs, I have over thinking but that dosent mean that there is creative ideas = my INTP type
Interesting. I favor one of these, but situations can push me into the others. When all is well and I am engaged/content, I prefer the contemplative world of the philosopher. In this mode, I am seeking to understand the world around me as it truly is, the "essence," the world beyond bare facts. I guess that would be metaphysical, or metanarratival? However, internal and/or external pressures can cause me to temporarily downgrade the quest for understanding. Coming out of this frame of mind feels a bit like Moses coming down from Sinai, except no one really seems to care about my philosophical pursuits, so my thoughts usually stay in my head. My next preference is the hacker subtype. I love a challenge, as long as I have the freedom to tackle the solution my own way. It's great that the previous four managers did it this way -- give me the time and space I need and I'll find a more efficient and effective way. This pursuit is immensely pleasing, and I find that I perform better overall (in a work environment for instance) if I can engage in this kind of problem-solving occasionally. Living in this mode would probably exhaust me simply because of the amount of energy I put into it. On the other hand, if you want to constrain me or micromanage me, you can find another puppet. If I am faced with making an objective decision, I float into the scientist mindset. Suddenly, cold, hard facts (and just the facts) are important to me, and I research the issue at hand with single-minded obsession. I will stay in this mindset until I come to a satisfactory answer, or until I am forced (to my dismay) to make a decision. This mindset can also come into play with relationships if the other(s) are acting irrationally -- suppressing emotional responses, I react coldly, clinically. If I become bored or disengaged (which usually feels like some form of depression, a numbness or fog) the rebel clears the cobwebs. I think of this as some kind of Loki. Let's stir the pot, see what happens! What do I have to lose? It's not malicious, but it's not always healthy for careers or relationships. For me, this has often been a disruptive impulse, even if it has been necessary.
Great description, I think/feel the same. (But the hacker one is not thaaat familiar to me.) It's great to hear there are likeminded people. Sad that we are so hard to find in real life.
wow, I am blown away with how intricate you get with the description of how we INTP's think every time you talk about topics like this. I think I am more of the rebel type in the fact that I yearn more to feel satisfaction from the best decisions or the best outcomes. I think I may think about how I can get different outcomes like the other subtypes and feel like I think like a philosopher sometimes. I am not totally sure about this though. It seems like I want what other subtypes want at times too. This is interesting. I didn't know I was INTP until this year and I am still learning about MBTI. I appreciate you sharing about this stuff and find it intriguing that you are studying it so deeply. I also recently got into the show called Mr. Robot which they are saying is a character based on an INTP personality type. I think it is very close and have enjoyed the show so far.
So phenomenological. Really interesting trying to imagine myself in various situations and having various attitudes towards each as an INTP. I wonder what subtype I experienced this video in. Wow. It’s an inception of INTP analysis.
I’m an admixture between the science and the philosophy INTP. I have a chemistry degree, but also have a substantial background in philosophy, theology and psychology. I am for the pursuit of truth, efficiency, accuracy and diversity.
I'm an intp that's a realtor, author, family man and a video creator. I like to study philosophy especially stoicism, psychology, science, art, religions, history, conspiracies, personal development, psychedelics, distance running, and I can keep going on.
very underrated video, you completed my thought cycle and gave me piece of mind , the irony of me being an INTP-hacker is that I am really into information security and I admit I have exploited some of my friends purely for learning, I find joy in breaking systems , understanding a system is not fun or enough, I need to break it, to exploit and manipulate it, to have the ability to reach to all power gives me goosebumps, also your structured way of speaking makes this video very thinking friendly, it is slow enough so that I can explore the ideas deeply, but it also keeps me on track cause it structured, It also somehow tracks the thinking process and guides it, you earned a subscriber
Amazing content. You’ve helped me understand myself so much more! Can you do a video on how do the INTP subtypes tap into the others to avoid mistakes and to achieve goals?
This is insane. I do have philosophical loops (loops as in they're unoriginal since they've most likely been thought of already yet I come back to them) I read Jung and Nietzsche. I am socially deviant, not to be unique but to strategically plot what fits me best. I plan on one day going to grad school for a degree in either particle physics or nanotechnology. Oh and the hacker? Literally I'm about to begin my career as a network engineer and then move into cyber security. No idea where you pulled these from; very precise.
Thanks, I pulled many of these from studying Jungs archetypes. But the Hacker is one I got inspiration from from Matrix, see it as a modern archetype version of the "player" or "gamer" or "competitive" archetype. :)
Very interesting insights! Not sure which sub-type i fall under, but never felt fully aligned with the INTP stereotype, and mistyped myself as INFJ for many years. What brings me the most joy is uncovering understanding about the world, which to me is like a blank map that gets filled in based on research and experience down multiple paths or forays (which need to be something that interests me to begin with). This internal “map” represents my subjective understanding of the world, and as new pathways are made on the map, I get excited when cross-links become apparent. The subject of those forays doesn’t have to have an pragmatic goal, sometimes the clarity of understanding something that is not useful is enough of it helps make other connections... (topics are less math and science and more around languages/linguistics, culture, architectural design, and any patterns in the built or natural world that underlie the surface that we can see). Does this sound like a Philosopher INTP or another one?
As the video progressed I was getting a little bit antsy as I felt like I wasn't gonna end up feeling like one type was more fundamentally "me" than the others, especially considering the bigger picture they'd all add up to. Then you got to the Rebel. :D Damn :D Thanks for the vid. Loved it.
I would love to watch you go about your day and take notes! Being very much a rebel and a philosopher, I find ultimately I end up doing and enjoying nothing. :/
The WREDFOX ― Me both EVERYTHING and also, at times, for lack of a better word; nothing. It can be hard to focus dedication because singling out interests can sometimes overwhelmingly remind you of how you're missing out on literally everything else as soon as you focus on one thing. No matter whether it's something puny or groundbreakingly big; sometimes all it does is make it painfully clear that everything is too interesting and too boring at the same time. I find this an interesting thought though. It always puts a smile on my face when I think about how absurdly curious living can be.
i tend to switch between the philosopher and the hacker when i have no clear goal i default to the philosopher with a goal i default to the hacker but the rebel is constant got me thrown out of school ...a few times haha
I have so much admiration for what you're doing and really appreciate it. It feels to me like a practical manifestation of the model you're describing. :) Of the aspects you describe, I'm probably most drawn to the "rebel" and "hacker" attributes. What I'm noticing is that you've used the INTP concept as a sort of jumping-off point for inspiration and brainstorming. But then from there, you've engaged in your own free/searching process and created your own understanding of it that is customized to your practical needs and perceptions, even if attempting this implies venturing in a different direction than the conventional understanding of MBTI. Am really happy to see someone applying their own unique methodology/structuring based on their own intelligence... and coming out of the other side with intellectual wealth that can be shared that is super-interesting, practically useful, and deeply validating/affirming for other similarly minded people who are engaging in their own individualized version of this process.
i am the type that took the test 100 times and got intp each time but doesn’t relate to any of these bc the only thing i got from the video was i prolly don’t blink as much as i should
This video is fantastic! I had my doubts that I was an INTP, but it seems as if it's just my rebel and philosopher sub-types being more dominant than the scientist and hacker sub-types. Hopefully I can balance all four effectively in the future.
Yes! Oh my god. Typology took me down a dead-end tunnel that zero'd in to point where I was telling myself "but I still don't fit into anything exactly". I always felt there had to be more to the subtypes, as I just don't feel strongly about pure scientific pursuit, though I respect it enormously and can do it. I'm definitely mainly the rebel/philosopher - 60/40. Thank you Erik :)
This INTP sub type exposition is great. Perhaps a reflection of my current level of understanding of the diversity I'm finding in Jungian analysis, but this is the apex of my investigations of various analysts. Keep it up, please.
brilliant insights! 💋 I am an INTP philosopher subtype mostly but I jump easily to Rebel each time I need to assert my boundaries. I also have the need to turn into ENTJ shadow at my business (also when I need something done around the house or when I need my kids to take action)
Tack så mycket, Erik. This makes a lot of sense and is really helpful. I can relate to using all of the subtypes but I especially prefer IN and NP. (I seem to use Ne the most, or at least I think so).
i am rebel most definitely . But it sucks because i can never decide among all the options i figure out. And i only get motivation and energy from finding diversity and variation but never the execution of them
As an Intp, I have learned that my first and second letters, Introversion and iNtuition are a fair deal higher percentage wise(around 80 to 88% more or less, than my 3rd and 4th, Thinking and perceiving(around 60% more or less). it seems to me that I would Identify is more of a philosopher than the other subtypes.
i wonder if the percentage you get on the letters alters what subtype you are? I don't think I've ever got under 95% P, 80% for N and almost 50% for I and T.... so NP definitely seems more important than IT in describing me. A quantitative approach to personality is useful.
Im a heavy INTP but i way more enjoy science fiction (though i still love scientific accuracy) and am likewise with philosophy, so thanks for giving me peace of mind lol
It's cool that you addressed that INTPs are able to use Ni. My sister is an INFJ and she's an absolute user of Ni (according to MBTI as well for her type), and she does ponder on such existential questions, and she'll come up to me asking what I did when I told her about it years ago, clearly indicating that I've used Ni when I was younger. I still do reflect on existential understanding, but definitely not absolutely via Ni like before, it's more deductive than inductive nowadays. I'm most probably the Rebel subtype, I often (need to) see choices from multiple levels of perspectives just for the sake of acknowledging the possibilities, I'm very contemplative and open, and adaptive of any possible outcomes, no matter how improbable it is to the common logic, well, if it happened then it's a possible outcome, one way or the other. However, I resonate with the Hacker subtype when I'm under pressure. Based on my experience, I'd tell that many people tend to misinterpret Ti and Te. This is what that's causing the Math stigma over INTPs. If you were to look at my Math papers, you'll find my solutions to the questions are nowhere taught in class or in books I've referred, and oftentimes I scored better in questions that applied a Math theory via a hypothetical situation rather than concrete, topical questions. While I can be technically labelled as dumb in my Math class for those fluctuating grades, my peers often find me intriguing and smart with solving Math problems and finding unanticipated patterns between formulas. That's the INTP way to do Math. I'm often advised to practice more (which I don't), and that affects my ability with concrete assessments as it tests your timed memory or sort instead of understanding the subject, despite me grasping the concept much faster than many, hence I lose my grades (as I overthink too many broken options, I'm often at a loss not knowing where to choose from). A Te user often does better in this arena, especially if the person is also an Intuitive. The same goes for concrete Science subjects. In my opinion, INTPs thrive when they know they're not forced to exert their Ti as it's a very subjective function, there's never a mainstream Ti. I'd say INTPs can really do well in Sciences that emphasizes more on abstract reasoning than concrete proofs, such as Psychology, as they have the capacity to be sharp with analysis, with enough room for theoretical possibilities. I personally do Psychology, and many of my INTP friends do well with Economics, Genetics, Literature, to name a few, and the one thing I find in common with these fields are their need for precision while being involved in multiple levels of diverse backgrounds, where a lot of possible associations can be discussed about. INTPS LOVE A HEURISTICAL VALUE AND ECCLECTISM IN THINKING.
I'm probably usu more the 'philosophical' type, w/o even really trying to be. The peace of mind (but in ways that won't risk losing freedom of choice for security), in particular, seems to really ring true for me in most situations compared to the other 3 subtype values.
I'm an INTP and quite odd according to this video. I'm a mix of the Rebel and Scientist as I like to do things for satisfaction like the rebel, but also like the scientist for joy. Out of the two I'd be more on the Scientist side, but Rebel wouldn't really be far behind, though, they almost equal as well. Maybe I'm a scientist type that uses things to my advantage like a rebel?
Good video, I believe the rebel is mostly found on initial growth of INTP. It could still be used in later stages as a shield to protect freedom and also for oneself to push someone to be more productive. Most INTP as narrated usually jump between all
As an intp I find I'm either in thinking mode or feeling mode with people. Like I can't feel and vibe with them and think at my normal rate at the same time. Usually what happens is they'll ask me a question when I'm in that feeling/vibe mode with them and I realize I have to kick on my thought process which i know totally scares them because it's like I'll just jump out of the emotional environment and come back with a load of information and it's like it throws off the whole setting, timing and mutual connection/understanding between us (knowing all this is going to happen when they pose a question that's too big for me to answer without going into that state of mind scares me because I know that stuff will happen). This causes me a lot of problems and is the core I think of why I fail at relating with people (for the most part) or at least maintaining that relateableness throughout the conversation/relationship. I feel like I threw a really big.. possibly crazy idea out right now but I'm wondering if any other intp's feel like they have this problem and fall into this situation sometimes or at all... that is of course if they understand what Im trying to say lol.
curtdawg the best move I’ve come up with for this, which I very much relate to, is to reveal to them exactly what you’re saying happens as it’s happening. Eg. “I’m realizing I’ll need to go into my head to answer that, and that feels like going away from you for a moment. I’m not sure I want to go away...” sort of thing. I reveal what’s actually happening so that I can stay in the moment with them.
my answer to 10:45 The are many things in this world that makes no sense, yet it is there and you can question why, when the faster you accept it, the easier it is to find a way to adjust it and make a change.
I appreciate the variety that you present in the INTP personality type because I have felt that some "experts", (or wanna be experta), paint INTPS as misfits that are consumed in their own world of science, which does not describe me or my friend, who is also an INTP, however we both have aspects of those tendencies, just in a broader interpretation. We often have more ability to morph than some other personality types. That is why when you present these subtypes I am like,...."Yes, I am that one." and then.... "Wait, I am also that one." and then I am knowing that I am an amalgamation, but when I ask myself, from the standpoint of what is my goal or what do I get from this preference, I am still not clear. I then asked myself, from my past actions, what would be my subtype, then it becomes more clear. Ie...What books do I read? What TH-cam videos do I watch, what is my major? How do I solve life problems? I have had a life theme of wanting, firstly, to be understood, and to understand,...... and then...... not so much a need to be understood, but to just understand and find how the micro fits into the macro and then I do experience peace from that,...... and joy as the result of peace. Thank you for your contributions.
I hate to say that I feel that this is kind of...maybe a fanciful abstraction. As for myself, and a lot of other commenters, apparently, I vacillate. I don’t think I can lock my personality down to one of these sub identities, or even choose one I favor more than another, overall, or even within one day (lol). I don’t want to knock this video though, because when I came down here in these comments, something amazing happened. People were writing long comments, just like I do. Saying they like the same strange subjects I like. Admitting to the same oddities in preferences, lifestyle, etc. as I have... I spent my life just thinking I was weird, because I was never able to find my “nerds of a feather”. I deduced you all must be living primarily solitary lives, like I do, so it would be nearly impossible to find a group of you people without having to sacrifice far too much of my time to socialization. Which would inevitably drive me nuts. Then I came here and...here you all are. People like me. I think I feel an emotion coming on. One that wasn’t created from the thought orchestra playing in my head. It feels so...human...🥺 I would just like to say to you people... “Hi. It was nice to meet you and read your comments.” Okay. I’m good now. That fulfills my time quota for wasting life on TH-cam. 👌
I've experimented with subtypes for a long time and nowadays I don't use these subtypes at all, they're fun to help explain the cognitive functions but they do not seem to exist more than tendentially.
Erik Thor “tendentially”...That’s the first new word I’ve heard all year. Thanks! I’ll remember that one! I love that you experiment with subtypes! You’ll laugh, because apparently “INTPs” aren’t allowed to be into this, but I find astrological signs to be interesting. Not horoscopes, mind you (different). I view the zodiac signs not as factual evidence or rules for personality and behavior, but as abstractions formed by years of observations made regarding behavioral correlations and astrology. It’s not unreasonable to think that, given a massive sample size and data set, a person could draw conclusions about human tendencies as the relate to rough time of birth, that appear to be accurate more often than not. To me, anyone who can’t appreciate that possibility is simply being arrogant about the human ability to answer all of the worlds questions with math. Or arrogant about the validity of scientific conclusions, even, which so often are more like tools for future discovery then answers in and of themselves. What you’re doing is similar to the study of the zodiac. Correlative observations to suggest temperaments. Instead of correlating traits with months, you correlate traits with a set of tendencies within a personality type. I can’t see why this couldn’t evolve into something compelling that could really inspire a deeper understanding of INTPs. I feel like this video demonstrates the observations in their infancy. Have you thought about experimentally coupling your findings with zodiac signs, and seeing if there’s a trend to observe? It may be that INTPs that are born in the winter are more introverted than those born in the summer. Or else, you could also compare your findings to demographic data like generations. Millennial INTPs may be more emotional than Generation X INTPs. Obviously none of this helps you to categorize subtypes like you’re trying to at the moment - at least, not directly so...but attacking the problem from the perspective of using other large correlative data sets that have already been created to differentiate between human natures, might be a good shortcut for you to finding fairly consistent tendencies faster. Once you’ve identified many of these tendencies, the subtypes themselves might intuitively manifest. I’m sure there’s subtypes to be had. I suppose the struggle would be that there’s such stigma surrounding non-scientific stances within the online INTP community, that it would be difficult to collect quantitive data. You would stand a better chance surveying Virgos, for instance, and THEN having them take a free spin-off of the MB test. Even then, with INTPs representing something like 3% of the population, you would need a fair bit of marketing behind the project...or at least, it would just have to be long-term. Sorry, I think I’m getting too into it now! Haha! Well I appreciated your video. It made me take time to think about myself in a different fashion than what I normally do. Those are opportunities I can really learn something new from.
Efficiency is important but it has to be balanced out with other important factors such as safety, high quality a higher success lower fail rate or accuracy. Does efficiency compromise communication or make the process less organized for people? You scale back to the basics and if an extra step needs to be added for safety, communication, accuracy, make the result higher quality less mistakes or is more reliable then it is worth it to add a step or two back in the process. Once you do that you'll have the highest efficiency rate and save the most time with everyone.
I was so sure that i was an INFJ who wanted to be an INTP, but i was just a philosopher type (5w4). The similarity was the introverted intuition. Thx. man.
Has anyone else just find out that they were an intp and now you feel like whenever you go into youre head you're just doing it to fit into your personality category even though you've been doing it forever
@@cartoonyheader1646 well im kinda over that period now, so im good, but when I first learned about it I was now conscious about what I was doing and it felt like knowing that the group im aprt of does this, maybe im just doing it to fit in But after a month i got over it
I wish there were a few quizzes to help determine, or at least give a vague sense of, how you order your subtypes as an INTP For me personally I just know I’m an enneagram 9w8. But Philosophical and Hacker tend to standout most. Also, great video.
These are the seasonal spectrums of our multifaceted approaches towards existence, the agency and fluidity of these ebb and flow as we grow tools in an ever expanding toolbelt
I was thinking about this the other day. Maybe every type has four subtypes based on the four strongest functions regardless of preference. These might line up with the archetypes you outlined. INTP - Ti (Scientist e.g. Einstein), INTP - Ni (Philosopher e.g. Hannah Arendt), INTP - Ne (Rebel e.g. Neo from the Matrix), INTP - Te (Hacker e.g. Elon Musk), I am no expert on this but this thought occurred to me.
You're right, but it's about what they see as their dominant, primary need in life: The Hacker is the Tp subtype, the Detective the Np subtype, the scientist the Ti subtype, and the philosopher the Ni subtype. Nice example with Hannah Arendt. Np and Tp are cognitive functions just like Ni and Ti are: they are mental processes that can function independently of Ni or Ti. :)
I think I go through phases of each subtype. I feel more like a philosopher now than when I was younger, and I feel like going into a science field will really appeal to me. I want to create and help others, I want to think for myself, I want to love and be loved, I want to think and discuss, I want to feel satisfied with my life and how I navigate it. I think learning about INTP is going to help me, in some way, understand myself
I am an INTP rebel. I have no formal job because I am "negative" (I guess), but I watched my predictions come true and had a good time doing so despite all my warnings to the supervisors and owners of what is going to happen. I now trade crypto full time and I live off that occupation. I learned advanced trading in two weeks and as you can tell, I think highly of my own mind. And you my friend, are one smart dude, in my humble opinion.
Wow, that's impressive, and there's nothing wrong with thinking highly of oneself, as long as that doesn't stop one from also thinking highly of the intellect of others. :)
these days i took a test and i got infj, and i was weirded out because i always got intp. so i think that's in one part because i'm attempting to repress my tendency to spread out into infinite possibilities into something more concrete, because i want to get my phd done, and also because i've also gone through a philosopher phase, where i was able to read and analyze people very well. so it makes sense to think that i'm transitioning from a philosopher intp to a scientist intp, rather than me being an infj or an intj, as i've been wondering.
I have traits from all 4 subtypes but I'd say the hacker subtype best describes me but also a good deal of the rebel. I have to be doing something that is interesting and consuming or I stagnate and have some depression symptoms. I am a first principals thinker who loves solving problems and at the same time I enjoy traveling as much as possible. I've setup a situation, in a very tactical way, where all of my basic life expenses are covered and I have the time to just do what I want. There have been many times in my life where I've made tactical decisions that didn't take other people feelings into account and it caused problems. I'm not totally socially inept and mostly due to having traveled pretty extensively and have learned to not be so blunt with explaining why I've made a choice that I made. Almost regardless of how others feel about things I'll often make the choice with the highest expected value. I will often literally make a decision tree and weigh my options. Here recently I was faced with a legitimate "lessor of two evils" type situation where all options were not great and I ended up taking the option that was the least bad. That surprised and frustrated several people because it was me just walking away from a situation where I had invested a lot of time and effort but I almost couldn't help it once I formally analyzed my options.
@@snarkymcsnarkface1863 that sound like a isfp type, the adventurer . I think we are lucky we can do it all, work whith ideas and things, the problem is the fluidity and extrovertion.
I think intp’s can make very good art because they either know the tecnique or “get” the “system” of art, where other people argue that “there is no system”. BUT, I think every intp would get kinda bored of art after some time. Or annoyed because it’s not like other ppl get your piece.
I am not an artist, just a maker of things. I love fiber arts and crafts, like crocheting, weaving, quilting, embroidery, and paper crafts. The reason I believe I never get bored as an INTP craftsperson, is because art is problem solving. What is the best method and tool to achieve the next step of construction. Learning new tools and techniques also expands my repertoire and offers better solutions. I am constantly in search for more, so I can have a bigger tool bag. Furthermore, I hate to repeat the steps twice. I want the next project to offer a new insight. I watch process tutorials but never follow the instructions, I just want inspiration to do the technique my way. Also I need direction to what I am creating, so I am philosophical in what I'm trying to convey. Finally, the scientist in me experiments and records as I go through many trials and errors. I think of another hypothesis and "what if" all the time.
I fit into most of these, but my deafult is the philosopher. I sort of see my rebel side as childish at times though. Yes, it can come up with a multitude of answers, but most of the time it creates an OCD urge to do things out of sheer spite. 'Everyone is going left?' 'Forget that, I'm going up.' This can be useful, but usually just ends up with me creating a lot of problems for myself. I prefer to channel the rebel with the hacker in order to create a set of combined answers, rather than multiple, but seperare, answers. An example: I once was in the Army and in basic training. Due to my arrogance and out of shape body, I was close to failing out. Recognizing this, I gave myself several answers to succeed. Each answer was a task that I had for myself given each problem and a collection of potential road blocks. With a collection of answers, I'm able to systematically solve my problems. The philosopher identifies the problems. The rebel thinks of all possible answers. The hacker combines as many answers, as efficiently and realistically, as possible. Because of this I resolved to: always ask questions about things I dont know, ask questions about things I THINK I know, take work outs seriously, sprint whenever possible, ask for strength training advice, experiment with most effecient forms, take full responsibility for any and all fuck ups, my fault or otherwise, re-read field manuals, etc. There were a few I missed, but that's how I like to solve my problems. Analyze problem, asses solutions, systematicize solutions, execute.
Hey Erik. Enjoyed your video. Are you and INTP? I appreciated that you didn’t call INTPs robots. I am anything but a robot but also a very strong INTP. Not sure what my archetype is but I’ve been having fun since discovering that I am not weird, just have a different way of thinking about things. It is been the source of frustration most of my life and I struggle to find other women who think like I do. I’m tired of people telling me I’m smart just because I love to learn and have a lot of knowledge. My knowledge is not main stream but I am full of wonder and curiosity so I just keep learning. I am an artist who uses science and math which inspire my art. I thought everyone likes to learn for fun. I mean why not? If you can read anything on the library shelf that interests you. You’re right about many things... I love to have variety and alternatives. I also tend to be a bit of a purist and a philosopher. I would love to find other women who share similar interests. I’m tired of people looking at me sideways to be frank. Do INTPs Tend to be direct and honest? I would appreciate your thoughts
I'm an INTP and I'm really confused right now. I'm taking ADHD medication because I think I have it, but Im learning that INTPs have a hard time focusing on one thing, are always in their heads and often forgetting things. What if I don't have ADHD and I'm just a normal INTP
There's a difference between having a difficulty focusing on one thing, and being unable to do it. ADHD is whenever you experience a complete inability to focus even in situations when it is absolutely necessary. An INTP can focus, an INTP with adhd can't, even if they force it, so that's how you can tell the difference -- are you just lazy or are you mentally unable to Sj?
@@ErikThor I really don't know man. And I really wish I did. If I'm lazy then there's no excuse I should be able to do my homework, but more often then not it's sooooo hard to concentrate. I'm in second year electrical engineering and I notice that I randomly stop paying attention in lectures, not because I get distracted by talking or looking at my phone but because of something else. And I don't know what it is.
Studies on focus have shown most people can not retain their focus for longer than 50 minutes and begin to fade off after that, and we have to all admit we have a limited amount of attention and make sure we put this attention towards the right things. It sounds like you're within the healthy range, but give yourself a break sometimes, sometimes you can be lazy and sometimes you can skip your homework, find healthy ways to portion your attention so you don't completely detach from everything. And a lot of what you say sounds Ni (INTP-Ni) :)
@@ErikThor Thanks bro, I'll take your advice. Loved the video! Love from Canada
Ever stop and think they're subduing us intps by telling us we have disorders? I personally dont have anything. Cant stay focused on stuff all the time. I either get distracted or bored, but it's not an issue nor ever been a problem.
I'm an INTP and I'm so bad at math. I enjoy it when i understand it because of how formulaic it is. But understanding those formulas just doesn't come easy for me.
Ginger Snap same as well as with science formulas like in physics.
Lol intps are good at math, ur just misdiagnosed
@@Letmespeakmymind shut the fuck up
I am not great at math when the numbers don't have real world meaning behind them. I am only good at doing math when I know why and how it works and more importantly when I know what kind of real world problem that the equation will solve.
@@SabeloNada00 i mean like I can abstract subjects and stuff in math. I just need to know what the math is used to solve and i can piece together my self. I hate when math teachers just give you steps or tricks and don't say why they work. I need to understand why shit works or I wont remember steps. But end of the day mbti is not innacurate but its a little black and white.
And tbh im not bad at math relative to most. I didnt do any homework last year and put no effort in during class and passed with a 65. Its just bad relative to the rest of my grades, this semester im tryna force myself to work at it and most of the things i didnt get are pretty easy lmao i just didnt try. I couldnt understand factoring all of last year and figured it out in like one day after trying lol
Thanks for breaking the stereotype that all INTPs are geniuses who only have eyes for math and science 💪
Thanks! Yeah, as if having an eye for math and science makes an INTP a genius. :P
as an INTP, I can’t decide which one of you is more sarcastic...
Yeah the truth of it all is that. We have eyes for shit. Just shit in general
Pardon,,,,, I'm probably just crazy
I’m an intp and I suck at both math and science
Math and Science, two of the things I love most. Of course, I’m an INTP
I'm kinda tired of people thinking all INTPs are maths geniuses... I'm not bad at maths but I'm not that good either:D
I am an INTP with Discalculia. 🤷🏻♀️
LMAO, agreed
Sameee, also the Asian stereotype
@@jajalarue sameeee
@@jajalarue same
I am an INTP and in my head is always a chaos because I really dont know what I want it is like I have all possibilities right in my head and I dont know which one I want sometimes I just dont give a f*** and I am enjoying my life even I know there will be always ocean of thoughts I just feel like I am everything and I dont know who I want to be just right now and who I want to be tommorow if that makes sense to you I just feel connected to everything at the same time and depends on mood I am doing what I want and it is often other then it was before (sorry for my english I speak different language)
I know EXACTLY what you mean and man I wish I could just channel it into one thing and be fully focused and happy without feeling like each option is either too big or stupid or I am too little too late. I meditate but here I still am..
Same
Ladislav Ovsák That's how I feel. I wish I could have many lives so I could experience different things and go with all the possibilities because I don't know how to pick just one.
It's Exactly the same thing as mine. Whenever taking personality test I think everything is right and wrong. But when I'm doing it seriously my logical thinking dominates over emotion and I don't feel bad. Also I can fake a personality test.
Ryu Yamazaki I accidentally faked a personality test once too
3:40 philosopher
6:00 hacker
8:30 rebel
10:00 scientist
Appreciate it man
I am an INTP philosopher. This information seems extremely accurate. I can be very good at hard sciences, but it isn't my focus. My focus is on social science, and understanding the meaning of life. I study metaphysical and religious metaphysical concepts to a high level of vast detail about how the universe exists in the spiritual sense. Such things are very easy for me to understand and extend my understanding of further. I apply such ideas and thoughts in a very complex logical sense.
Volmarr Refridgerator(s)
Glad there's someone like me.
Yes, I was naturally good at math and science. While I loved it, even something dry like math (dry to some maybe), I took it to a philosophical level, seeing abstract things within it. My joy came from abstract/philosophical thinking about the meaning of things, great or minuscule.
Also at the moment, I am thinking Issac Newton might have been a philosopher type. He dedicated his later life in such pursuit, though he was a brilliant physicist.
Volmarr I am too a philosopher. I can agree that I tend to focus on my ocean of understanding on that of philosophy over science etc.
Same here I’m deeply into astrology
I am assuming that all INTPs who become aware that they are INTPs will eventually end up here. It’s like a dog whistle, lol.
I am now trying to integrate this new self awareness into the larger framework of reality. I am still putting the prices together, but does anyone know what happens if you through ADHD into the mix? Maybe that’s why I cannot focus on which hat to choose. They are are so useful. I think I am the subtype the cut up all the hats and just made them into one big hat, thus my hat is bigger than yours! Lol.
i tend to switch between the philosopher and the hacker when i have no clear goal i default to the philosopher with a goal i default to the hacker but the rebel is constant
Interesting enough a doctor told me I had adhd. Lucky for me I knew how my brain worked during and after i began taking the pills. For 2 months. They made me awake for for longer periods and I really felt weird on them. I wasn't focused and actually stopped thinking as much as I did.
Honestly I'd take them again if wanted to be high. 😂😂
Adhd person can't concentrate while intp one can if he tries to hard time though but its possible
Oop I was also just diagnosed with ADHD and don’t know how to feel abt that. I wonder if it’s common for INTPs to be misdiagnosed because many of us seem to be lazy and don’t like to put in the energy to concentrate on subjects we don’t care about. I’m not sure how people get diagnosed with ADHD or what they use to draw a conclusion (testimony from parents/the person in question? Grades? Idk) but it’s just a thought as I’ve seen multiple people who claim to be INTPs also have ADHD
Infinity FOX I wrote a massively long comment explaining INTP and ADD/ADHD. Look at the comment that was pinned to the top of this video thread. You will see my response at the bottom. It should give you everything you need to know to help you develop a framework through which to begin your research on this subject matter. Good luck.
Man, I wish I could study philosophy, physics, chemistry, medicine, biology, music, engineering and computer science.
Biology Chemistry, Engineering, Math, Music, Writing, And Zoology. I am the INTP stereotype
I wish I could study philosophy, political science, psychology,
law, medicine, biology, film, theoretic physics, and IT
Here I am now doing my dual degree in computer science and engineering. I can cancel my life now
You can study all that on google/TH-cam lol
@@ananzidawriter5561 "Study" ain't "study".
Introverted Intuition: finding peace. Studying, Mythology, Religion, philosophy, psychology, sociology, history, cosmology, well the list goes on.
taoïsm, some branches of budism and hinduism. Nonduality. That some of these subjects seen absurd to many people is not of any concern to me.
And that looking for peace is the path of least resistence is untrue. You might find aspects about yourself you will not like along the way.
thijsjong you literally just listed out my main interests 😂
Don't forget Epistemology and Metaphysics.
Yeah, this is the path I've taken. Why? Because i can't get myself to do my homework, so my idea was that if i figured myself out, studying negative and positive mental feedback loops and stuff like that, I'd be able to get myself to actually do stuff outside of my imagination. It hasn't really worked yet, but I've learned a lot along the way, and I'm certainly improving in the long term. What's amazing is that as awareness/understanding grows, so does confidence.
xynx I literally didn’t do a single night of homework my junior or senior year of high school. I could never bring myself to do it and I certainly wasn’t going to do it just because an authority figure said to. We’re a stubborn bunch INTPs.
@@steviewonder417 Do you think you did well on the tests though?
Philosopher : When I'm disconnected from the world and my introvertion is highlighted.
Scientist: When facing important decisions and at work( I'm a research engineer)
Hacker : When I'm connected with the notion of purpose and I'm following my goals, trying to improve myself and the world
Rebel: when I'm energetic, light and enthusiastic
Rodolfo Ferreira Ti, Ne, Si, Fe
I go through all these also.
I love all my fellow INTP’s (:
i love you to now get out of my room =P
I'm not interested
Aww I love you too
Anna Rosa Thank you for the kind words, comrade.
Said no INTP ever
i resonated so strongly with the philosopher one. i’m definitely INTP, Ti-dom to the core, but i have some traits that make people think i’m a Feeler, lol. i’m an artist and i like keeping the peace.
I’m also a Ti Dom to the core being very good in philosophy and the hard sciences, but am also a hobby artist.
Yes! At about 13:00 you talk about switching subtypes circumstantially, the very idea I've been wanting to ask you about. Thank you for making this all so clear. Your insights into personality type truly represent a furtherance of the field. Keep on, and thank you for so generously sharing your thoughts with us.
i know you have asked this before, sorry it took a while to reply :) My friends coined the term erik thor years to describe the speed at which i process things lol. :)
The best insight of an INTP i ve heard so far.. nice to feel understood 😅
Audrey Carrier...agreed
Maybe we have a variation of each type in all of us?
Yeah, I say that in the video, but usually, I have found that a person can be found to value one above the others.
Of course we do, but that is just a given on some level.
I think funadamental priorities are the thing at work.
Somethings, u just know.
That if u change this part of yourself.
Then you literally have changed everything about u.
I would think that we do because you cannot have a set range of personality.
Nuance is the name of the game when it comes to personality, but most people lean more one way than the other.
I was a hacker in my childhood, became a rebel against authorities in my teens, worked as a computer scientist in my 20’s and 30’s, switched into an Asian medicine practitioner and philosopher after 40’s. Lol, pretty interesting.
Which Asian philosophy ?
😂 I think am similar.
What a fun life
I'm most likely the rebel sub-type. Choosing a different way for me means that I don't think the widely accepted ways of doing things are necessarily right for me, and I like to have options that are more fitting for me. I don't really see there is a "right way" to do anything. Because anything that is touted to be the "right way" is only that way because people have widely accepted it as the only way and their only option. That annoys the crap out of me.
Sometimes though, I have to admit I like to do things different ways than the accepted norm just to show people their is an option to the "norm". And sometimes it's just more fun.
Btw, you have a great understanding of other mbti types. You're doing such a good job =).
I think The exact same way
@@ChronoLegionarius Hey, that's my sentence! :D
I'm totally the philosopher one. Awareness.
What does your world view look like?
Same
John W I think the world is a balance of pain/suffering and beauty/meaning. I think meaning and beauty can only be discovered not created just like the truth. I think the key to having a long lasting society is allowing truth and individual sovereignty to be paramount.
Same
Yea same. I always fought with other type of INTP. But if that is interesting, safe and necessary for the world, i will join. But INTP is always interesting
I became good at Maths and Science when i found out they were just languages used to describe the world ...
That's what I piqued my interest as well I came across a video about Fibonacci sequences actually and the link between mathematics and nature/ the physical world
Well said! The sciences are a different way of looking at languages and meaning.
OH God, the story of my life haha!!! The Subtypes now i know i am a INTP. I rock all four subtypes. Used to think i might be on a borderline to another personality type.
Im an INTP and im an Artist
What kind artist are you?
Me too!
But I'm also a mathematician and a philosopher, so... anyways, I might fine art minor, and try to figure out if I can quadruple major because I just can't choose.
nah
I tried studying art but ironically the teachers don't like creativity outside of their style. When I intentionally make a piece look like a 5 year old did it, they love it. If I do an abstract piece based on a law of physics, nope. I felt as though I could never truly explore my creativity and my own style, and ended up dropping out :/ how did you handle study?
I am going to tell you as an intp.
They are more like a four diffrent hats... and yes we can wear all four at once. At the logic tree we use will follow which ever order we put the hats on... heck some of use don't like the way a hat fits so we don't use it unless we have no other choice.
Most of use wear at least two of these all the time... one in the driver's seat the other as a double check... some will do all four. time practicing this and maturity to a lesser degree is the only real difference. Two comes quit naturally, like zero effort required.
You might not see the other hat but trust me it is there and it is working it's magic.
We will show a preference for one in a given situation interestingly depending on the group the hat you see will often be our weakest hat... because we want our minds working on the problem undisturbed even though we are interacting with a person.
I just learned 2 days ago I was an INTP.
Your perfectly right.
I love Russian Hats.
Flaps=Functionality=goodshit br0
Those caps are legit!
This was my reaction as well. It makes sense. How a person reacts isn't static just as environment is not. I relate to all of these to a degree depending on circumstances.
Is anyone els hung up on when he said “use” instead of “us”? I appreciate everyone’s input and mean no disrespect but I had a pet peeve moment. Im not at all trying to be rude. So forgive me. I understand it could be taken that way.
I guess it all boils down to the environmental influences in which an INTP may want to venture such area. Every INTP can/may/will experience all those mentioned subtypes by the surrounding in which we need to survive from.
Yeah correct
Enjoyed the method in which you dissected the hacker subtype. Its not normal for me to watch a video and think "!!!that's relatable!!!" but yeah....love this type of longform style content.
observing people and enjoy analysis the real reason behind what they did (which is almost funny) reading books , haveing multiple interests , art , introvert , very good at math and science ,playing games is wasting for time unless they include brain challengs, I have over thinking but that dosent mean that there is creative ideas = my INTP type
I am a full fledged INTP. Rebel, scientist, philosopher, and hacker.
Same for me
No, I am the fully fledged INTP; philosopher, scientist, rebel, hacker..... Ahahahhahahahahhahahababbababajajhajaj
@@Bahador_R Dajadajaajajayeyeouiouihaohao
Interesting. I favor one of these, but situations can push me into the others. When all is well and I am engaged/content, I prefer the contemplative world of the philosopher. In this mode, I am seeking to understand the world around me as it truly is, the "essence," the world beyond bare facts. I guess that would be metaphysical, or metanarratival? However, internal and/or external pressures can cause me to temporarily downgrade the quest for understanding. Coming out of this frame of mind feels a bit like Moses coming down from Sinai, except no one really seems to care about my philosophical pursuits, so my thoughts usually stay in my head.
My next preference is the hacker subtype. I love a challenge, as long as I have the freedom to tackle the solution my own way. It's great that the previous four managers did it this way -- give me the time and space I need and I'll find a more efficient and effective way. This pursuit is immensely pleasing, and I find that I perform better overall (in a work environment for instance) if I can engage in this kind of problem-solving occasionally. Living in this mode would probably exhaust me simply because of the amount of energy I put into it. On the other hand, if you want to constrain me or micromanage me, you can find another puppet.
If I am faced with making an objective decision, I float into the scientist mindset. Suddenly, cold, hard facts (and just the facts) are important to me, and I research the issue at hand with single-minded obsession. I will stay in this mindset until I come to a satisfactory answer, or until I am forced (to my dismay) to make a decision. This mindset can also come into play with relationships if the other(s) are acting irrationally -- suppressing emotional responses, I react coldly, clinically.
If I become bored or disengaged (which usually feels like some form of depression, a numbness or fog) the rebel clears the cobwebs. I think of this as some kind of Loki. Let's stir the pot, see what happens! What do I have to lose? It's not malicious, but it's not always healthy for careers or relationships. For me, this has often been a disruptive impulse, even if it has been necessary.
The same more or less goes for me.
Thx
The same :)
A perfect explanation of my personality.
Great description, I think/feel the same. (But the hacker one is not thaaat familiar to me.) It's great to hear there are likeminded people. Sad that we are so hard to find in real life.
wow, I am blown away with how intricate you get with the description of how we INTP's think every time you talk about topics like this. I think I am more of the rebel type in the fact that I yearn more to feel satisfaction from the best decisions or the best outcomes. I think I may think about how I can get different outcomes like the other subtypes and feel like I think like a philosopher sometimes. I am not totally sure about this though. It seems like I want what other subtypes want at times too. This is interesting. I didn't know I was INTP until this year and I am still learning about MBTI. I appreciate you sharing about this stuff and find it intriguing that you are studying it so deeply. I also recently got into the show called Mr. Robot which they are saying is a character based on an INTP personality type. I think it is very close and have enjoyed the show so far.
Oh now it makes sense why I sometimes relate to some infj things, it's because I'm a philosophical intp.
Same
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So phenomenological. Really interesting trying to imagine myself in various situations and having various attitudes towards each as an INTP. I wonder what subtype I experienced this video in. Wow. It’s an inception of INTP analysis.
Very good, well thought through and well worked out. The best explanation on INTP types I have seen on TH-cam.
I’m an admixture between the science and the philosophy INTP. I have a chemistry degree, but also have a substantial background in philosophy, theology and psychology. I am for the pursuit of truth, efficiency, accuracy and diversity.
I feel like I bounce around to all of these depending on my mood. Makes me feel schizophrenic 😂 at times.
Yess!!!
Mhm
I'm an intp that's a realtor, author, family man and a video creator. I like to study philosophy especially stoicism, psychology, science, art, religions, history, conspiracies, personal development, psychedelics, distance running, and I can keep going on.
Super great video! It really helped me understand the trouble I had in initially understanding that I am truly an INTP. I am definitely the Rebel.
very underrated video, you completed my thought cycle and gave me piece of mind , the irony of me being an INTP-hacker is that I am really into information security and I admit I have exploited some of my friends purely for learning, I find joy in breaking systems , understanding a system is not fun or enough, I need to break it, to exploit and manipulate it, to have the ability to reach to all power gives me goosebumps, also your structured way of speaking makes this video very thinking friendly, it is slow enough so that I can explore the ideas deeply, but it also keeps me on track cause it structured, It also somehow tracks the thinking process and guides it, you earned a subscriber
As an intp, this blew my mind. Absolutely perfect
Amazing content. You’ve helped me understand myself so much more! Can you do a video on how do the INTP subtypes tap into the others to avoid mistakes and to achieve goals?
I want you to know I believe my brain is sending and receiving emotional responsive signals throughout my body when I am looking at your photo. :3
That sounds like the most literal lifehack I've ever heard of.
This is insane. I do have philosophical loops (loops as in they're unoriginal since they've most likely been thought of already yet I come back to them) I read Jung and Nietzsche. I am socially deviant, not to be unique but to strategically plot what fits me best. I plan on one day going to grad school for a degree in either particle physics or nanotechnology. Oh and the hacker? Literally I'm about to begin my career as a network engineer and then move into cyber security. No idea where you pulled these from; very precise.
Thanks, I pulled many of these from studying Jungs archetypes. But the Hacker is one I got inspiration from from Matrix, see it as a modern archetype version of the "player" or "gamer" or "competitive" archetype. :)
I was a rebel when I was younger. Now I’m a scientist and a philosopher.
Or read this article! :) www.erikthor.com/intp-subtypes/
Very interesting insights! Not sure which sub-type i fall under, but never felt fully aligned with the INTP stereotype, and mistyped myself as INFJ for many years. What brings me the most joy is uncovering understanding about the world, which to me is like a blank map that gets filled in based on research and experience down multiple paths or forays (which need to be something that interests me to begin with). This internal “map” represents my subjective understanding of the world, and as new pathways are made on the map, I get excited when cross-links become apparent. The subject of those forays doesn’t have to have an pragmatic goal, sometimes the clarity of understanding something that is not useful is enough of it helps make other connections... (topics are less math and science and more around languages/linguistics, culture, architectural design, and any patterns in the built or natural world that underlie the surface that we can see).
Does this sound like a Philosopher INTP or another one?
As the video progressed I was getting a little bit antsy as I felt like I wasn't gonna end up feeling like one type was more fundamentally "me" than the others, especially considering the bigger picture they'd all add up to.
Then you got to the Rebel. :D
Damn :D
Thanks for the vid. Loved it.
I would love to watch you go about your day and take notes! Being very much a rebel and a philosopher, I find ultimately I end up doing and enjoying nothing. :/
The WREDFOX ―
Me both EVERYTHING and also, at times, for lack of a better word; nothing. It can be hard to focus dedication because singling out interests can sometimes overwhelmingly remind you of how you're missing out on literally everything else as soon as you focus on one thing. No matter whether it's something puny or groundbreakingly big; sometimes all it does is make it painfully clear that everything is too interesting and too boring at the same time.
I find this an interesting thought though. It always puts a smile on my face when I think about how absurdly curious living can be.
i tend to switch between the philosopher and the hacker when i have no clear goal i default to the philosopher with a goal i default to the hacker but the rebel is constant got me thrown out of school ...a few times haha
@@Slaughta18 - I was in the same boat and took a bunch of notes....then i realized i was spending all my time taking notes so stopped.
Dude I don’t know what the hell I am at this point, a weird dog mix or something?
I'm the philosopher INTP, but have a some hacker and rebel characteristics.
Damn dope name
I’m a philosopher/artist INTP ! Thank you for the clarity!!
Now I'm a "philosopher", yet I find myself employing all aspects of the subtypes according to the situation.
Hes talking about preferences
Most attractive personality 😍 sincerely an INFJ 💕💋
Agreed. -ENFJ
no. xNFJ are the most attractive personality, sincerely an INTP
Excellent analysis, thanks so much!
Thank you for explaining this so well! I’m in my philosopher era :)
I'm an INTP 5w4 and 5w4 in the enneagram is sometimes call "The Philosoher" so... that
Me too!
I have so much admiration for what you're doing and really appreciate it. It feels to me like a practical manifestation of the model you're describing. :) Of the aspects you describe, I'm probably most drawn to the "rebel" and "hacker" attributes. What I'm noticing is that you've used the INTP concept as a sort of jumping-off point for inspiration and brainstorming. But then from there, you've engaged in your own free/searching process and created your own understanding of it that is customized to your practical needs and perceptions, even if attempting this implies venturing in a different direction than the conventional understanding of MBTI. Am really happy to see someone applying their own unique methodology/structuring based on their own intelligence... and coming out of the other side with intellectual wealth that can be shared that is super-interesting, practically useful, and deeply validating/affirming for other similarly minded people who are engaging in their own individualized version of this process.
Loved your video. Very thoughtful and well spoken. Plus you’re pretty cute when you’re deep in thought 😁
i am the type that took the test 100 times and got intp each time but doesn’t relate to any of these bc the only thing i got from the video was i prolly don’t blink as much as i should
Thank you a lot.
Well done. I'm definitely the "tactical/hacker" INTP.
This video is fantastic! I had my doubts that I was an INTP, but it seems as if it's just my rebel and philosopher sub-types being more dominant than the scientist and hacker sub-types. Hopefully I can balance all four effectively in the future.
Yes! Oh my god. Typology took me down a dead-end tunnel that zero'd in to point where I was telling myself "but I still don't fit into anything exactly". I always felt there had to be more to the subtypes, as I just don't feel strongly about pure scientific pursuit, though I respect it enormously and can do it. I'm definitely mainly the rebel/philosopher - 60/40. Thank you Erik :)
This INTP sub type exposition is great. Perhaps a reflection of my current level of understanding of the diversity I'm finding in Jungian analysis, but this is the apex of my investigations of various analysts. Keep it up, please.
I took a personality test 5 times got logician everytime i do not like the results
brilliant insights! 💋
I am an INTP philosopher subtype mostly but I jump easily to Rebel each time I need to assert my boundaries. I also have the need to turn into ENTJ shadow at my business (also when I need something done around the house or when I need my kids to take action)
Tack så mycket, Erik. This makes a lot of sense and is really helpful. I can relate to using all of the subtypes but I especially prefer IN and NP. (I seem to use Ne the most, or at least I think so).
I am the philosopher. I always knew I must be an INTP because of how I use deduction and logic.
Napoleon Bonn Always knew of a label?
I love when somebody speak distinctly. THX
i am rebel most definitely . But it sucks because i can never decide among all the options i figure out.
And i only get motivation and energy from finding diversity and variation but never the execution of them
Yeah man that sucks, i know that problem...
I’ve almost done nothing with my life, so yeah I get ya
As an Intp, I have learned that my first and second letters, Introversion and iNtuition are a fair deal higher percentage wise(around 80 to 88% more or less, than my 3rd and 4th, Thinking and perceiving(around 60% more or less). it seems to me that I would Identify is more of a philosopher than the other subtypes.
i wonder if the percentage you get on the letters alters what subtype you are? I don't think I've ever got under 95% P, 80% for N and almost 50% for I and T.... so NP definitely seems more important than IT in describing me. A quantitative approach to personality is useful.
@@WorthlessWinner very interesting information
Im a heavy INTP but i way more enjoy science fiction (though i still love scientific accuracy) and am likewise with philosophy, so thanks for giving me peace of mind lol
Strong sci fi preference and distain for cowboy macho lamo boring old school lol...me
It's cool that you addressed that INTPs are able to use Ni. My sister is an INFJ and she's an absolute user of Ni (according to MBTI as well for her type), and she does ponder on such existential questions, and she'll come up to me asking what I did when I told her about it years ago, clearly indicating that I've used Ni when I was younger. I still do reflect on existential understanding, but definitely not absolutely via Ni like before, it's more deductive than inductive nowadays.
I'm most probably the Rebel subtype, I often (need to) see choices from multiple levels of perspectives just for the sake of acknowledging the possibilities, I'm very contemplative and open, and adaptive of any possible outcomes, no matter how improbable it is to the common logic, well, if it happened then it's a possible outcome, one way or the other. However, I resonate with the Hacker subtype when I'm under pressure.
Based on my experience, I'd tell that many people tend to misinterpret Ti and Te. This is what that's causing the Math stigma over INTPs. If you were to look at my Math papers, you'll find my solutions to the questions are nowhere taught in class or in books I've referred, and oftentimes I scored better in questions that applied a Math theory via a hypothetical situation rather than concrete, topical questions.
While I can be technically labelled as dumb in my Math class for those fluctuating grades, my peers often find me intriguing and smart with solving Math problems and finding unanticipated patterns between formulas. That's the INTP way to do Math.
I'm often advised to practice more (which I don't), and that affects my ability with concrete assessments as it tests your timed memory or sort instead of understanding the subject, despite me grasping the concept much faster than many, hence I lose my grades (as I overthink too many broken options, I'm often at a loss not knowing where to choose from). A Te user often does better in this arena, especially if the person is also an Intuitive. The same goes for concrete Science subjects.
In my opinion, INTPs thrive when they know they're not forced to exert their Ti as it's a very subjective function, there's never a mainstream Ti. I'd say INTPs can really do well in Sciences that emphasizes more on abstract reasoning than concrete proofs, such as Psychology, as they have the capacity to be sharp with analysis, with enough room for theoretical possibilities. I personally do Psychology, and many of my INTP friends do well with Economics, Genetics, Literature, to name a few, and the one thing I find in common with these fields are their need for precision while being involved in multiple levels of diverse backgrounds, where a lot of possible associations can be discussed about. INTPS LOVE A HEURISTICAL VALUE AND ECCLECTISM IN THINKING.
5:04 counterfactual thinking and bayesian reasoning are good ways of working backwards from intuition to proof.
I'm probably usu more the 'philosophical' type, w/o even really trying to be. The peace of mind (but in ways that won't risk losing freedom of choice for security), in particular, seems to really ring true for me in most situations compared to the other 3 subtype values.
This is an excellent video thank you for this
I'm an INTP and quite odd according to this video. I'm a mix of the Rebel and Scientist as I like to do things for satisfaction like the rebel, but also like the scientist for joy. Out of the two I'd be more on the Scientist side, but Rebel wouldn't really be far behind, though, they almost equal as well. Maybe I'm a scientist type that uses things to my advantage like a rebel?
sounds more like Ti then :)
@@ErikThor which one is Ti?
thank you for sharing Erik!
Good video, I believe the rebel is mostly found on initial growth of INTP. It could still be used in later stages as a shield to protect freedom and also for oneself to push someone to be more productive.
Most INTP as narrated usually jump between all
As an intp I find I'm either in thinking mode or feeling mode with people. Like I can't feel and vibe with them and think at my normal rate at the same time. Usually what happens is they'll ask me a question when I'm in that feeling/vibe mode with them and I realize I have to kick on my thought process which i know totally scares them because it's like I'll just jump out of the emotional environment and come back with a load of information and it's like it throws off the whole setting, timing and mutual connection/understanding between us (knowing all this is going to happen when they pose a question that's too big for me to answer without going into that state of mind scares me because I know that stuff will happen). This causes me a lot of problems and is the core I think of why I fail at relating with people (for the most part) or at least maintaining that relateableness throughout the conversation/relationship.
I feel like I threw a really big.. possibly crazy idea out right now but I'm wondering if any other intp's feel like they have this problem and fall into this situation sometimes or at all... that is of course if they understand what Im trying to say lol.
curtdawg the best move I’ve come up with for this, which I very much relate to, is to reveal to them exactly what you’re saying happens as it’s happening. Eg. “I’m realizing I’ll need to go into my head to answer that, and that feels like going away from you for a moment. I’m not sure I want to go away...” sort of thing. I reveal what’s actually happening so that I can stay in the moment with them.
my answer to 10:45 The are many things in this world that makes no sense, yet it is there and you can question why, when the faster you accept it, the easier it is to find a way to adjust it and make a change.
Thank you for breaking such clichés
I certainly have experienced things from all these subtypes, but i think i resonated the most with the philosopher.
I appreciate the variety that you present in the INTP personality type because I have felt that some "experts", (or wanna be experta), paint INTPS as misfits that are consumed in their own world of science, which does not describe me or my friend, who is also an INTP, however we both have aspects of those tendencies, just in a broader interpretation. We often have more ability to morph than some other personality types. That is why when you present these subtypes I am like,...."Yes, I am that one." and then.... "Wait, I am also that one." and then I am knowing that I am an amalgamation, but when I ask myself, from the standpoint of what is my goal or what do I get from this preference, I am still not clear. I then asked myself, from my past actions, what would be my subtype, then it becomes more clear. Ie...What books do I read? What TH-cam videos do I watch, what is my major? How do I solve life problems? I have had a life theme of wanting, firstly, to be understood, and to understand,...... and then...... not so much a need to be understood, but to just understand and find how the micro fits into the macro and then I do experience peace from that,...... and joy as the result of peace. Thank you for your contributions.
I hate to say that I feel that this is kind of...maybe a fanciful abstraction. As for myself, and a lot of other commenters, apparently, I vacillate. I don’t think I can lock my personality down to one of these sub identities, or even choose one I favor more than another, overall, or even within one day (lol).
I don’t want to knock this video though, because when I came down here in these comments, something amazing happened. People were writing long comments, just like I do. Saying they like the same strange subjects I like. Admitting to the same oddities in preferences, lifestyle, etc. as I have...
I spent my life just thinking I was weird, because I was never able to find my “nerds of a feather”. I deduced you all must be living primarily solitary lives, like I do, so it would be nearly impossible to find a group of you people without having to sacrifice far too much of my time to socialization. Which would inevitably drive me nuts.
Then I came here and...here you all are. People like me. I think I feel an emotion coming on. One that wasn’t created from the thought orchestra playing in my head. It feels so...human...🥺
I would just like to say to you people...
“Hi. It was nice to meet you and read your comments.”
Okay. I’m good now. That fulfills my time quota for wasting life on TH-cam. 👌
I've experimented with subtypes for a long time and nowadays I don't use these subtypes at all, they're fun to help explain the cognitive functions but they do not seem to exist more than tendentially.
Erik Thor “tendentially”...That’s the first new word I’ve heard all year. Thanks! I’ll remember that one!
I love that you experiment with subtypes! You’ll laugh, because apparently “INTPs” aren’t allowed to be into this, but I find astrological signs to be interesting. Not horoscopes, mind you (different).
I view the zodiac signs not as factual evidence or rules for personality and behavior, but as abstractions formed by years of observations made regarding behavioral correlations and astrology. It’s not unreasonable to think that, given a massive sample size and data set, a person could draw conclusions about human tendencies as the relate to rough time of birth, that appear to be accurate more often than not.
To me, anyone who can’t appreciate that possibility is simply being arrogant about the human ability to answer all of the worlds questions with math. Or arrogant about the validity of scientific conclusions, even, which so often are more like tools for future discovery then answers in and of themselves.
What you’re doing is similar to the study of the zodiac. Correlative observations to suggest temperaments. Instead of correlating traits with months, you correlate traits with a set of tendencies within a personality type.
I can’t see why this couldn’t evolve into something compelling that could really inspire a deeper understanding of INTPs. I feel like this video demonstrates the observations in their infancy.
Have you thought about experimentally coupling your findings with zodiac signs, and seeing if there’s a trend to observe? It may be that INTPs that are born in the winter are more introverted than those born in the summer.
Or else, you could also compare your findings to demographic data like generations. Millennial INTPs may be more emotional than Generation X INTPs.
Obviously none of this helps you to categorize subtypes like you’re trying to at the moment - at least, not directly so...but attacking the problem from the perspective of using other large correlative data sets that have already been created to differentiate between human natures, might be a good shortcut for you to finding fairly consistent tendencies faster. Once you’ve identified many of these tendencies, the subtypes themselves might intuitively manifest.
I’m sure there’s subtypes to be had. I suppose the struggle would be that there’s such stigma surrounding non-scientific stances within the online INTP community, that it would be difficult to collect quantitive data. You would stand a better chance surveying Virgos, for instance, and THEN having them take a free spin-off of the MB test.
Even then, with INTPs representing something like 3% of the population, you would need a fair bit of marketing behind the project...or at least, it would just have to be long-term.
Sorry, I think I’m getting too into it now! Haha! Well I appreciated your video. It made me take time to think about myself in a different fashion than what I normally do. Those are opportunities I can really learn something new from.
Thanks for the video. I'm a mix of rebel and hacker
Efficiency is important but it has to be balanced out with other important factors such as safety, high quality a higher success lower fail rate or accuracy. Does efficiency compromise communication or make the process less organized for people? You scale back to the basics and if an extra step needs to be added for safety, communication, accuracy, make the result higher quality less mistakes or is more reliable then it is worth it to add a step or two back in the process. Once you do that you'll have the highest efficiency rate and save the most time with everyone.
Hi Erik, great content again!
I was one of those thinking I must be partly FJ. Thanks for clearing that up.
I was so sure that i was an INFJ who wanted to be an INTP, but i was just a philosopher type (5w4). The similarity was the introverted intuition. Thx. man.
Has anyone else just find out that they were an intp and now you feel like whenever you go into youre head you're just doing it to fit into your personality category even though you've been doing it forever
@@cartoonyheader1646 well im kinda over that period now, so im good, but when I first learned about it I was now conscious about what I was doing and it felt like knowing that the group im aprt of does this, maybe im just doing it to fit in But after a month i got over it
I wish there were a few quizzes to help determine, or at least give a vague sense of, how you order your subtypes as an INTP
For me personally I just know I’m an enneagram 9w8. But Philosophical and Hacker tend to standout most. Also, great video.
Good idea, I may be able to devise a subtype test at some point...
Enneagram 9 does sound philosophical.
Hey same! Intp 9w8.
These are the seasonal spectrums of our multifaceted approaches towards existence, the agency and fluidity of these ebb and flow as we grow tools in an ever expanding toolbelt
I was thinking about this the other day. Maybe every type has four subtypes based on the four strongest functions regardless of preference. These might line up with the archetypes you outlined. INTP - Ti (Scientist e.g. Einstein), INTP - Ni (Philosopher e.g. Hannah Arendt), INTP - Ne (Rebel e.g. Neo from the Matrix), INTP - Te (Hacker e.g. Elon Musk), I am no expert on this but this thought occurred to me.
You're right, but it's about what they see as their dominant, primary need in life: The Hacker is the Tp subtype, the Detective the Np subtype, the scientist the Ti subtype, and the philosopher the Ni subtype. Nice example with Hannah Arendt. Np and Tp are cognitive functions just like Ni and Ti are: they are mental processes that can function independently of Ni or Ti. :)
@@ErikThor what are Np and Tp? Wjat is the p for?
I realise I was more of a Rebel in my teenage years and I'm becoming more of a hacker now.
I think I go through phases of each subtype. I feel more like a philosopher now than when I was younger, and I feel like going into a science field will really appeal to me. I want to create and help others, I want to think for myself, I want to love and be loved, I want to think and discuss, I want to feel satisfied with my life and how I navigate it. I think learning about INTP is going to help me, in some way, understand myself
I am an INTP rebel. I have no formal job because I am "negative" (I guess), but I watched my predictions come true and had a good time doing so despite all my warnings to the supervisors and owners of what is going to happen. I now trade crypto full time and I live off that occupation. I learned advanced trading in two weeks and as you can tell, I think highly of my own mind. And you my friend, are one smart dude, in my humble opinion.
Wow, that's impressive, and there's nothing wrong with thinking highly of oneself, as long as that doesn't stop one from also thinking highly of the intellect of others. :)
Sure you learned high level trading in 2 weeks bud.
Just SomeGuy hope u weren’t invested in bitcoin fuq boi
Can an intp be all of them depending on their mood?
Oh yeah I didn't watch the video till the end lol
these days i took a test and i got infj, and i was weirded out because i always got intp. so i think that's in one part because i'm attempting to repress my tendency to spread out into infinite possibilities into something more concrete, because i want to get my phd done, and also because i've also gone through a philosopher phase, where i was able to read and analyze people very well. so it makes sense to think that i'm transitioning from a philosopher intp to a scientist intp, rather than me being an infj or an intj, as i've been wondering.
I have traits from all 4 subtypes but I'd say the hacker subtype best describes me but also a good deal of the rebel. I have to be doing something that is interesting and consuming or I stagnate and have some depression symptoms. I am a first principals thinker who loves solving problems and at the same time I enjoy traveling as much as possible. I've setup a situation, in a very tactical way, where all of my basic life expenses are covered and I have the time to just do what I want. There have been many times in my life where I've made tactical decisions that didn't take other people feelings into account and it caused problems. I'm not totally socially inept and mostly due to having traveled pretty extensively and have learned to not be so blunt with explaining why I've made a choice that I made. Almost regardless of how others feel about things I'll often make the choice with the highest expected value. I will often literally make a decision tree and weigh my options. Here recently I was faced with a legitimate "lessor of two evils" type situation where all options were not great and I ended up taking the option that was the least bad. That surprised and frustrated several people because it was me just walking away from a situation where I had invested a lot of time and effort but I almost couldn't help it once I formally analyzed my options.
I’m an INTP and I’m a Scientist (I’m a chemist), but I’m also a bit of a Rebel.
I wonder if an INTP could be related with arts?
Hi from Colombia.
Yes, please talk about this, Erik.
We make good artists... the problem is the lack of confidence and fear of rejection combined with that perfectionism saying we can do better...
@@snarkymcsnarkface1863 that sound like a isfp type, the adventurer . I think we are lucky we can do it all, work whith ideas and things, the problem is the fluidity and extrovertion.
I think intp’s can make very good art because they either know the tecnique or “get” the “system” of art, where other people argue that “there is no system”. BUT, I think every intp would get kinda bored of art after some time. Or annoyed because it’s not like other ppl get your piece.
I am not an artist, just a maker of things. I love fiber arts and crafts, like crocheting, weaving, quilting, embroidery, and paper crafts. The reason I believe I never get bored as an INTP craftsperson, is because art is problem solving. What is the best method and tool to achieve the next step of construction. Learning new tools and techniques also expands my repertoire and offers better solutions. I am constantly in search for more, so I can have a bigger tool bag. Furthermore, I hate to repeat the steps twice. I want the next project to offer a new insight. I watch process tutorials but never follow the instructions, I just want inspiration to do the technique my way. Also I need direction to what I am creating, so I am philosophical in what I'm trying to convey. Finally, the scientist in me experiments and records as I go through many trials and errors. I think of another hypothesis and "what if" all the time.
In this case, the philosopher
Is close to being an intj right?
Since intjs use introverted intuition
I fit into most of these, but my deafult is the philosopher. I sort of see my rebel side as childish at times though. Yes, it can come up with a multitude of answers, but most of the time it creates an OCD urge to do things out of sheer spite.
'Everyone is going left?'
'Forget that, I'm going up.'
This can be useful, but usually just ends up with me creating a lot of problems for myself. I prefer to channel the rebel with the hacker in order to create a set of combined answers, rather than multiple, but seperare, answers.
An example: I once was in the Army and in basic training. Due to my arrogance and out of shape body, I was close to failing out. Recognizing this, I gave myself several answers to succeed. Each answer was a task that I had for myself given each problem and a collection of potential road blocks. With a collection of answers, I'm able to systematically solve my problems. The philosopher identifies the problems. The rebel thinks of all possible answers. The hacker combines as many answers, as efficiently and realistically, as possible.
Because of this I resolved to: always ask questions about things I dont know, ask questions about things I THINK I know, take work outs seriously, sprint whenever possible, ask for strength training advice, experiment with most effecient forms, take full responsibility for any and all fuck ups, my fault or otherwise, re-read field manuals, etc.
There were a few I missed, but that's how I like to solve my problems. Analyze problem, asses solutions, systematicize solutions, execute.
Hey Erik. Enjoyed your video. Are you and INTP? I appreciated that you didn’t call INTPs robots. I am anything but a robot but also a very strong INTP. Not sure what my archetype is but I’ve been having fun since discovering that I am not weird, just have a different way of thinking about things. It is been the source of frustration most of my life and I struggle to find other women who think like I do. I’m tired of people telling me I’m smart just because I love to learn and have a lot of knowledge. My knowledge is not main stream but I am full of wonder and curiosity so I just keep learning. I am an artist who uses science and math which inspire my art. I thought everyone likes to learn for fun. I mean why not? If you can read anything on the library shelf that interests you. You’re right about many things... I love to have variety and alternatives. I also tend to be a bit of a purist and a philosopher. I would love to find other women who share similar interests. I’m tired of people looking at me sideways to be frank. Do INTPs Tend to be direct and honest? I would appreciate your thoughts