The $100 colorist offers you choices of what film look you’d like because those are all LUTs they’ve created. Then they slap it on your footage and tweak it. That way they can crank out 10/day. Problem is those LUTs are created for other projects.
And most of the time they apply the LUT the wrong way, like not paying attention to the correct color space settings. All the info that comes with the RAW footage.
Great video! I loved it. I'd be thrilled to color grade your footage, and perhaps you could create another video based on your comments. Just a suggestion for you to consider!
I agree with your pick… felt it was the best overall. I am interested though, did they all ask for the BRaw files?? Also might be fun if you made the raw files available to us and have us submit what we can do… Great stuff!!
Yeah, half of them didn't want to use the BRAW files lol. You're not the first person to ask about this act, there was a comment thread on this video where 5 people asked for the files and I sent them the link. Doing a video on subscribers grading my videos now 😂 if you want in check out and grade yourself the link is here --> drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DvOJ1Tla2P-Zl1d2KRe0MVjez33LET7x?usp=sharing Send to john@framevoyager.com with your final grade! Or check out our discord channel as well here for the same thing --> discord.gg/w46SMTm5
@@FrameVoyager You're awesome, I was hoping there'd be a link! Not that I'm a pro colorist or anything, but definitely want to take a crack at it after this, hahaha.
The last one was a disappointment, especially the underwater shot, maybe the guy didn't have a corrected monitor, but yeah he pushed the colors too much. I use a vectorscope especially to check if my image is falling apart or if there is RGB clipping.
Omg. I love grading. It brings life to the footage. I used to grade on baselight. Then I found Davinci and wondered why I waited so long to use it. I had a studio version because I purchased the UMP. Now I just grade my old footage for fun. Lol.
I believe one problem of the video is that is imposible not to compare the first image with the grade of your talking head on the side which is awesomely graded so... (which camera-lens was your talking head filmed?)
hahaha thanks! I think it was either the p4k or the URSA G2... Can't remember what variation I was using at this point. Either a lumix 12-35mm or a sigma art lens
the grading progression in this looked like the IQ bell curve lol. Awful at the cheapest and most expensive extremes, pretty ok in the middle. But the least these people could have done, especially the 50 and 100$ guys, would be to do the grading in Resolve. These are all obviously Premiere grades.
Why some refuse raw footage? The only thing that differ from a log footage is that you don’t need to specify any input color space & gamma as DaVinci will handle it automatically. Of course you cannot change it, for good. But still you’re free to color in whatever intermediary color space that you prefer.
I know there are LUTs that have a certain film look to them. It seems as though the $100 guy just slipped a Revenant LUT on there or used something like Cinema Grade to match the shots.
Please let me try tooo! I wanna colour grade this! I know some people commented below, and heck yea I'd love to give it a go. Also, I really wanna start grading so if you want me to colour grade your videos, I'll be happy be do so.
Do you think I could get access to the raw of that video clip and practice my own color grading? I am kinda just getting into the cinematography world and I am going to have to be my own colorist, editor, and everything else that comes with it.
I have so many issues with this video. This isn't a critisizm of your work or your videos. My problem is you are judging a 'craft' without proper context or fairness to the artists. Not to mention a lack of knowledge of the work you are asking them to do. (and a drastic under valuation of that work). A.... Color correction and color grading aren't the same thing. Correction means simply taking log or raw footage and moving it into a viewable colorspace with basic tone changes to small elements like white Balance, Tint, saturation and basic Shaddow/Midtone/hightlights relationship changes. GRADING is actually creating multilayered and tracked eliments that can be manipulated seperately in order to create a dymanic look. B.... you obviously don't know what you are looking at. The $100 Guy did what you asked... you asked him to match the footage in order to make them look like they are the same. You handed him footage were ALL OVER THE PLACE. You basicly asked for a stylized look that matched and then critisized the work when it DID match your suggestion. You need to set realistic expectations. If you had a client ask for a basic interivew shoot and then got mad because it didn't look like a marvel movie. The lower priced people weren't given any real guidence. You don't shoot for a client with NO questions do you? You discuss goals and looks and expectations so you can deliver what they ask for. You can work with 10 DPs or Directors and have 10 opinions of what they expect. Not to mention that you are removing the need for intent in SHOOTING. The footage and the end goal need to align. You shot all of these clips with difffent settings, lenses, conditions... and expect a color grade to fix your lack of planning a shoot. (since it isn't 1 shoot). C... you need to conider the money here. 'You get what you pay for' is the obvious thing to say here. Let's just say that the average time (including project set up... communication and up/download time... you are talkinga bout a MINIMUM of an hour... and that is super basic work. So at $5 you aren't paying minimum wage. I'd say to do this work it would be a minimum of 2 hours to do a decent job. So if you are trying asking people with skills and gear and time invested... $25 an hour would be low. $50 an hour is more like it. So really the only one you paid a reasonalbe amount is the last person. Overall, You are misrepresenting what a colorist does and the value they should have.
A budget of $5-$100, to deal with 8 vastly different shots? It's not surprising that the results are so poor for that money, really. Would've been better to see a range like $10, $50, $100, $250 and $500 for a better comparison
Hey, man! Can you post a link to the footage if it's alright with you? I'm a freelance colorist and I wanna take a shot at grading your footage free of charge! Thank you in advance!
I like this idea! Would be a fun follow up video on this. Anyone else wanting to do this as well? If you want to DM me on my Instagram page or here on discord and I'll send you the links to the files! --> discord.gg/3aeNPU7GHu
The problem is that these are all graded with LUTs. These Fiverr artists don’t have time to do custom grades because proper color correction and grading (it’s never just grading) takes a lot of time. The best they can usually do is to be sure they use LUTs which work well with the footage, and do a little bit of tweaking.
@@redwanism are you a fiverr colorist? (Genuine question). In any case, if these people are doing custom grades, they’re not very good at it. Also, for such a low price, they’d be crazy to not use LUTs because obviously people find it acceptable and pay for it.
Hi There! I just stumbled over this video and decided to do my own grade with your shots. Are you still planning to do a video with grades from your subscribers? BTW: Love your Abandoned Cameras series.
Hey, I'm hoping you can help. resolve and black magic raw player doesn't seem to recognize any braw file I have and will not import, as well as braw player not loading at all and just get a white screen, do you have any recommendations?
I mean seriously, someone got paid $100 to just slap a lut on haha. Btw, a bunch of commenters decided they wanted a crack at it so if you do too let me know! Going to do a follow up video
Yeah it would be awesome to try it out the footage , maybe make a contest on the comunity, 100$ for the winner. An you probable would get a good colorist.
You're not the first person to ask about this act, there was a comment thread on this video where 5 people asked for the files and I sent them the link. Doing a video on subscribers grading my videos now 😂 if you want in check out and grade yourself the link is here --> drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DvOJ1Tla2P-Zl1d2KRe0MVjez33LET7x?usp=sharing Send to john@framevoyager.com with your final grade! Might do that $100 idea next time tho for sure! Or check out our discord channel as well here for the same thing --> discord.gg/w46SMTm5
Man honestly they all look so rubbish. No noise reduction. No Color seperation. Blacks crushed and it looks like they didn’t even convert the footage into the right Color space. Such simple footage. Any travel content creator out there could create a better look like these guys. Sorry but that was a waste of money
Sorry but thats making it way too easy for him when you pic a still of the look you want. He can just color match each clip He should of won easily with that advantage, but like you said ..... he crushed the whites and blacks and screwed it up
Oh, I totally agree! I honestly wanted to see if he was just using LUTS. At least the others, even though it wasn't great, didn't just completely distort the footage. I mean it was so obvious
I'm very new to this video editing and grading but I feel like you should never change colours a lot because then it's looks shitty and anyone can tell that the colours are fake. Colour grading is about slightly changing the colour in a subtle look not just putting colours over and over
I knew this would be one of my most disliked videos. Remember kids! Never talk about color grading and you won't get your feelings hurt 😂
Oh boy, that 12bit BRAW footage looked like Canon t3i standard profile after the grade.
Yeah, it was pretty sad 😂
The $100 colorist offers you choices of what film look you’d like because those are all LUTs they’ve created. Then they slap it on your footage and tweak it. That way they can crank out 10/day. Problem is those LUTs are created for other projects.
Yeahhh... It's pretty bad
I agree! But man.... that $100 looked so bad! :))
And most of the time they apply the LUT the wrong way, like not paying attention to the correct color space settings. All the info that comes with the RAW footage.
That was a red flag from the beginning.
I suffer from the need to understand every single aspect of filmmaking, including color grading. Thanks for the videos, bro!
hahaha no problem!
From all the grades i'd pick the 50 dollar one, but honestly someone with decent Resolve knowledge can do better grading than all these grades.
Great video! I loved it. I'd be thrilled to color grade your footage, and perhaps you could create another video based on your comments. Just a suggestion for you to consider!
$60 was the best
Yeah, not even really close was it? lol
Yes
damn the 100$ one made blackmagic look like a cheap nikon
$60 Wins!!! More solid color grading overall. Bests regards from a Venezuelan follower in Panama!
Why they dont mask water on first shot... omg.
😂😂 don't know
Or at least use dynamic key frames for the changing brightness
I agree with your pick… felt it was the best overall. I am interested though, did they all ask for the BRaw files?? Also might be fun if you made the raw files available to us and have us submit what we can do…
Great stuff!!
Yeah, half of them didn't want to use the BRAW files lol.
You're not the first person to ask about this act, there was a comment thread on this video where 5 people asked for the files and I sent them the link. Doing a video on subscribers grading my videos now 😂 if you want in check out and grade yourself the link is here --> drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DvOJ1Tla2P-Zl1d2KRe0MVjez33LET7x?usp=sharing
Send to john@framevoyager.com with your final grade!
Or check out our discord channel as well here for the same thing --> discord.gg/w46SMTm5
@@FrameVoyager You're awesome, I was hoping there'd be a link! Not that I'm a pro colorist or anything, but definitely want to take a crack at it after this, hahaha.
The last one was a disappointment, especially the underwater shot, maybe the guy didn't have a corrected monitor, but yeah he pushed the colors too much. I use a vectorscope especially to check if my image is falling apart or if there is RGB clipping.
Yeahhh... It was totally just a LUT for SURE
Omg. I love grading. It brings life to the footage. I used to grade on baselight. Then I found Davinci and wondered why I waited so long to use it. I had a studio version because I purchased the UMP. Now I just grade my old footage for fun. Lol.
haha I love people who love colorgrading!
"I'm thinking Interstellar."
John's approach to all of life.
😂😂 it's a great approach!
For five dollars I wouldn’t even turn my computer on. Anybody who’s gonna work for you for five or $10 probably doesn’t know what they’re doing.
The $100 dollar guy fucked it right up.
Hello my friend, I want to ask the best lens for BLACKMAGIC 4K and 6K movie camera with a budget of 900
I personally like the Lumix 12-35mm lens. Use that all the time
I believe one problem of the video is that is imposible not to compare the first image with the grade of your talking head on the side which is awesomely graded so... (which camera-lens was your talking head filmed?)
hahaha thanks! I think it was either the p4k or the URSA G2... Can't remember what variation I was using at this point. Either a lumix 12-35mm or a sigma art lens
That was really hard footage to colour grade from dark scenes to snow scenes to water to skyshots. This is the perfect footage to practice on.
the grading progression in this looked like the IQ bell curve lol. Awful at the cheapest and most expensive extremes, pretty ok in the middle. But the least these people could have done, especially the 50 and 100$ guys, would be to do the grading in Resolve. These are all obviously Premiere grades.
It really looks like $100 dude just put the same LUT one the whole thing.
Is there a way you could release the raw footage? I wanna play with this footage so much. I’d make it look like a movie just for fun/practice.
Hey! I actually already released it a while ago and did a whole subscribers color graded my video thing. Might do one again here soon!
@@FrameVoyager
I too would be game for one of those. I need to test out my bag of tricks on something I haven't shot myself.
Why some refuse raw footage? The only thing that differ from a log footage is that you don’t need to specify any input color space & gamma as DaVinci will handle it automatically. Of course you cannot change it, for good.
But still you’re free to color in whatever intermediary color space that you prefer.
I know there are LUTs that have a certain film look to them. It seems as though the $100 guy just slipped a Revenant LUT on there or used something like Cinema Grade to match the shots.
oh, for sure!
Am I the only colourist who won’t use pre-made luts? I’ll take inspiration from loads but never use and edit on top.
Please let me try tooo! I wanna colour grade this!
I know some people commented below, and heck yea I'd love to give it a go.
Also, I really wanna start grading so if you want me to colour grade your videos, I'll be happy be do so.
I saw you made into discord and found it 😉
Do you think I could get access to the raw of that video clip and practice my own color grading? I am kinda just getting into the cinematography world and I am going to have to be my own colorist, editor, and everything else that comes with it.
I have so many issues with this video. This isn't a critisizm of your work or your videos. My problem is you are judging a 'craft' without proper context or fairness to the artists. Not to mention a lack of knowledge of the work you are asking them to do. (and a drastic under valuation of that work).
A.... Color correction and color grading aren't the same thing. Correction means simply taking log or raw footage and moving it into a viewable colorspace with basic tone changes to small elements like white Balance, Tint, saturation and basic Shaddow/Midtone/hightlights relationship changes. GRADING is actually creating multilayered and tracked eliments that can be manipulated seperately in order to create a dymanic look.
B.... you obviously don't know what you are looking at. The $100 Guy did what you asked... you asked him to match the footage in order to make them look like they are the same. You handed him footage were ALL OVER THE PLACE. You basicly asked for a stylized look that matched and then critisized the work when it DID match your suggestion. You need to set realistic expectations. If you had a client ask for a basic interivew shoot and then got mad because it didn't look like a marvel movie. The lower priced people weren't given any real guidence. You don't shoot for a client with NO questions do you? You discuss goals and looks and expectations so you can deliver what they ask for. You can work with 10 DPs or Directors and have 10 opinions of what they expect. Not to mention that you are removing the need for intent in SHOOTING. The footage and the end goal need to align. You shot all of these clips with difffent settings, lenses, conditions... and expect a color grade to fix your lack of planning a shoot. (since it isn't 1 shoot).
C... you need to conider the money here. 'You get what you pay for' is the obvious thing to say here. Let's just say that the average time (including project set up... communication and up/download time... you are talkinga bout a MINIMUM of an hour... and that is super basic work. So at $5 you aren't paying minimum wage. I'd say to do this work it would be a minimum of 2 hours to do a decent job. So if you are trying asking people with skills and gear and time invested... $25 an hour would be low. $50 an hour is more like it. So really the only one you paid a reasonalbe amount is the last person.
Overall, You are misrepresenting what a colorist does and the value they should have.
A budget of $5-$100, to deal with 8 vastly different shots? It's not surprising that the results are so poor for that money, really. Would've been better to see a range like $10, $50, $100, $250 and $500 for a better comparison
Baby’s asleep. Time to binge Frame Voyager.
haha!
People use luts and charge for it? I should get on fiver and charge $100 for 30 minutes work and I won't be lazy.
You really should 😅
I'm new to colour grading, but. 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I busted into tears when I saw the first view of the $5 work.. 🤣🤣😭😭😭
😭😭🤣🤣🤣I can't stop laughing..
But it's 5 box tho, so don't expect more.
Hey, man! Can you post a link to the footage if it's alright with you? I'm a freelance colorist and I wanna take a shot at grading your footage free of charge! Thank you in advance!
Yeah that's a good idea, I'd challenge myself and compare how I could battle that too. :)
I would like to try as well 💯
That actually sounds like it could be a fun community competition 😀
I like this idea! Would be a fun follow up video on this. Anyone else wanting to do this as well? If you want to DM me on my Instagram page or here on discord and I'll send you the links to the files! --> discord.gg/3aeNPU7GHu
@@FrameVoyager Yes that would be great content! Random colorists and editors from the Frame Voyager community attempts to grade your footage :D
The problem is that these are all graded with LUTs. These Fiverr artists don’t have time to do custom grades because proper color correction and grading (it’s never just grading) takes a lot of time.
The best they can usually do is to be sure they use LUTs which work well with the footage, and do a little bit of tweaking.
Not everyone uses LUTs, I start from the scratch and take enough time for this.
@@redwanism are you a fiverr colorist? (Genuine question).
In any case, if these people are doing custom grades, they’re not very good at it.
Also, for such a low price, they’d be crazy to not use LUTs because obviously people find it acceptable and pay for it.
instant like bc you're drinking liquid death
😉
We busted out laughing at exactly the same time lol.
Hi There! I just stumbled over this video and decided to do my own grade with your shots. Are you still planning to do a video with grades from your subscribers? BTW: Love your Abandoned Cameras series.
I'm new to the game. I'd like access to the raw footage to practice.
For sure! All the files are on here --> discord.gg/EvuUNGybQX
A bunch of guys have already made other helpful files for it as well
They perfectly destroy all of your shots.🤣
Great video, but can't stop looking at the hair light from underneath...
😂😂😂 gotta show off that hair
Need to actually mount that at some point 😬
I wish i was test, i could soooooo much better
Very good innovative idea.
Hey, I'm hoping you can help. resolve and black magic raw player doesn't seem to recognize any braw file I have and will not import, as well as braw player not loading at all and just get a white screen, do you have any recommendations?
Maybe i can be a colorist to after i saw this. :D If you need one just hire me. :D
I mean seriously, someone got paid $100 to just slap a lut on haha. Btw, a bunch of commenters decided they wanted a crack at it so if you do too let me know! Going to do a follow up video
@@FrameVoyager maybe if footage will downloadable i will take a try. :D
Yeah it would be awesome to try it out the footage , maybe make a contest on the comunity, 100$ for the winner. An you probable would get a good colorist.
You're not the first person to ask about this act, there was a comment thread on this video where 5 people asked for the files and I sent them the link. Doing a video on subscribers grading my videos now 😂 if you want in check out and grade yourself the link is here --> drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DvOJ1Tla2P-Zl1d2KRe0MVjez33LET7x?usp=sharing
Send to john@framevoyager.com with your final grade! Might do that $100 idea next time tho for sure!
Or check out our discord channel as well here for the same thing --> discord.gg/w46SMTm5
$100 one is ripping you off. It looked one of the worst
Can anyone here recommend a really good colorist?
you should contact me for video editing & coloring )
Man honestly they all look so rubbish. No noise reduction. No Color seperation. Blacks crushed and it looks like they didn’t even convert the footage into the right Color space.
Such simple footage. Any travel content creator out there could create a better look like these guys.
Sorry but that was a waste of money
Sorry but thats making it way too easy for him when you pic a still of the look you want. He can just color match each clip
He should of won easily with that advantage, but like you said ..... he crushed the whites and blacks and screwed it up
Oh, I totally agree! I honestly wanted to see if he was just using LUTS. At least the others, even though it wasn't great, didn't just completely distort the footage. I mean it was so obvious
@@FrameVoyager ... i was a bit shocked how bad the most expensive person was ....lol
@@freejay3 same! I knew it would be bad when people started asking for final prores file and not the BRAW files 😂
LUTS are trash and you've been ripped off if your paid colorist is using them. $50 seemed to get it, but could have been better.
ver nice #nice #coloristlife
haha! yeah, colorists life more like losing the ability to see colors correctly after 4 hours of correcting and grading.
I'm very new to this video editing and grading but I feel like you should never change colours a lot because then it's looks shitty and anyone can tell that the colours are fake.
Colour grading is about slightly changing the colour in a subtle look not just putting colours over and over
They are all bad ngl