@@ehimemaidumuit isn't only weird is downright creepy the guy kidnapped her poof away her mother that even with everything she loved her and still with all that she's willing to date him cause they're the same ? Please
Felix shouldn’t have been paired up with kagami , it’s character assassination on kagami’s part , and tottaly unnecessary, instead of a romantic relationship, Felix and kagami SHOULDVE had a friendship built on an episode of Felix explaining that kagami is a sentimonster and freeing her from her mothers grasp , Felix is interesting and awesome ( minus the season 3 attempted unconsensual kiss)
they definitely made felix and kagami date because they knew that we wanted kagami to have someone to love aswell. i also do think it works out great because kagami thought that adrien was somebody like felix, but adrien was totally different than she thought. Therefore she lost feelings for adrien. It was easy for her to fall for felix because he has the original personality she thought adrien had. remember whenever she was trying to draw adrien and said for him to act natural. He was acting natural, but not the natural she had visioned of him.
@@willy8665but how they made them start their relationship it's wrong none in their right mind would date someone that kidnapped you stalk you for days and literally poof away your mother it doesn't matter how tragic it's his backstory it's just wrong
@@willy8665 yeah but that feels unfair because they had shown adrien and kagami have pretty great chemistry and getting along in previous episodes with his sense of humour. so him having a personality like felix doesnt really seem like what drew her to him...as what drew kagami to adrien had been his sweet and considerate side that kept him reaching out despite her being harsh on herself when she lost right? felix improved a bit but i still don't think felix fully has that. and it feels off to me that felix ends up with another sentibeing hen he has that bias.
@@billykaplan9915 especially when he was also using your linering feelings for someone who looks similar to him to his advantage as well...though kagami did think mari was a good match for adrien when she started seeing mari's more stalker intense sidesbefore...so maybe kagami has a warped idea what love is since mari is generally pretty good despite mari's unfortunate bad habits in handling crushes? personally i want to know what would happen if kagami dumped him. just saying...bridgette is technically in the show to.
to be fair Felix actually made me notice MORE things about adrien as a character. Like how everyone assumes adrien is naive but adrien knew felix was doing those pranks and was choosing to not take them personally because he knows when someone is hurt and confised theymight lash out at a easy target due to not knowing how the handle their feeling in a better way....showing that adrien is actually WAY more mature that his friends who despite KNOWING it was the anniversary of the day his mom went mssing and he was trapped with his insensative dad all day...they all kindof doubted adrien immededialty and took that video felix sent personally...doubting adrien's character and friendship isntead of assuming adrien who was actingout of character just lashed out and didn't actually mean it orthat something happened to adrien. like sure it wasn't ACTUALLY adrien....but it was notiable that if it was adrien they would doubt adrien so easily and be unable to defend him instead of being worried for him acting out of character. and Adrien showed he'd choose to do good even when wronged...like protect felix and his friends when they turned into punisher..and how he still offered felix a ear if he needed it but did put his foot down to not forgive felix for what he did til felix showed he was really sorry. its kindof likehow we see adrien is actually mouch smarter than others give his credit for in that he understands a better way to handle lila rather than mari who loses her composure where he adjsuts how he handles her due to knew info on how malicious lila can be since mari wasn't honest. and how felix comes off as more entitled than adrien at points.
23:34 I KNOW RIGHT! I guess the creators only think the child's shitty bahaviour is only understandable when they are physically(?) abused and when the parent literally wish the child's death - otherwise, it's ALL child's fault and not the parents. Which shows that the creators (or at least Astruc. Probably only Astruc, actually) shouldn't be allowed to take care of children. Both Felix and Chloe had terrible parent and they both deserved better, but at least Felix seem to have a genuinely loving and wholesome mother that's willing to accept him (she's even willing to hide him away from Ladybug after his betrayal in the finale of S4). Chloe's father, on the other hand, didn't bother to reform her and send her away to her ABUSIVE mother the moment he got a better daughter. I don't want to compare characters' suffering, but that's clearly what the writers (or just Astruc) are doing.
When Felix's redemption came in I was like "Wait...wah?" it was so sudden. Feligami was also a shock. No one even shipped them and suddenly Felix kidnaps Kagami and she's like "He my man now." because this ship basically sailed over one episode...this just feels shallow I can't help but think in the back of my head that Kagami is with Felix because he's Adrien 2.0 (looks wise) After watching Emotion I always thought it would be cool if Felix had a little villain arc. I wouldn't cry if...whaever episodes 20-23 were. Imagine if Felix would find out Adrien is Chat. And these angst. THESE ANGST!!
@@gracekim25He still *kidnapped* her, and regardless of the intent the act of kidnapping inherently invalidates the agency of the victim, which is a shitty thing to do if your goal is supposedly to "free" her. If he wanted to do that, he could've explained the Sentimonster thing directly and given her the ring right after, he didn't *need* to kidnap her like that.
Felix is Austruc's pet karma Houdini, he has yet to be punished for give Hawkmoth nearly all of the Miraculous at the end of Season 4, instead he totally let off the hook.
the main problem is that the series is terribly planned, that's why a lot of things don't fit in place at all and most of the lore seems like it was given little thought. not to mention their utter lack of regard for the importance of character development and continuity
@@catherinejanet5806they don’t really plan out much in terms of lore😅 i don’t know if this is the case in present day but I did hear that at some point they’d write the story in like 3 months 😨
I’m still AMAZED that Gabriel took credit for the victory Felix achieved😮 I think season 5 was originally the end😅 that might be why Felix’s redemption arc is so fast
i still don’t get why the writers made felix assault marinette in his debut episode if they were gonna give him a redemption arc?? without him even apologizing for that??
and they are trying to make me ship him with kagami even though the only reasonshe was slightly interested was because shethought he was adrien and him blatantly using her lingering feelings? and they want me to forgive the guy? what i dont get is they make the worst episode to try to make it seem mari's issues with dating adrien was due to chloe even though mari dated adrien just fine in other timelines when the clear reason he'd have for being weird about it is the trauma felix did by pretending to be adrien and betraying that trust by stealng all the miraculouses! thats clearly on felix!
@@clarisacalderon9555i also think he fell in love with her after he stalked her?? this isn't a kids show lol, different lighting and art style and this could be a dark romantic horror, so much stalking and all sorts of fucked up shit
@@catherinejanet5806 in SLIGHT defense of Marinette it can be REALLY easy to gather information now(especially because adrien is a public figure). And because we know Mari had a bad first impression with Adrien her being worried about his opinion and making a fool of herself makes sense...so her initially liking him from afar where she wanted to feel close to him but feared being vulnerable herself..so having her collect info to try to feel calmer and closer to him made sense for her as a character. and becuase she's generally a good person and a girl and her friends know mari is generally a good person...its easy for her to not realize she is crossing boundaries...especially when she has a secert identity. I've seen some teens get weirdly intense about certain crushes and act weird.... and specially mari and adrien's flaws contrast eachother. Adrien showed what happens when your too open about your feelings directly, when you joke about your feelings and flirt. that the otehr person might not realize your feelings are serious or just banter back. How acting in your jealousy is wrong because they don't like you back. and how they will call you out and get mad at you if you put pressure and how you can;t expect their feelings to just change because its convient for you..where Adrien then WAS able to try to move on as he had realized in frozer that he can;t force his feelings to go before they are ready just as he can't expect her feelings to change...but that means when he DID give kagami a chance later she WASN'T just a rebound or changed target. where the joke was LB was thinking he was till trying to make her jealous but that he WAS seriously interested in kagami and meant his flower in newyork platonically. where adrien realize yeah he could still like LB but he could choose which feelings he would water and how since he had closure. and then later after the breakup he might have gone back to his feelings for LB for a while...but his MOTIVE for it wasn't for LB to like him back...he was using it beucase it was familar and a good distraction from his problems and easier to act like he was okay using that old dynamic. where LB then didn't realize his motive changed since she handles her own crush different and didn;t know he actually DID date someone else so lashed out at the times he did flirt...not realize he wasn't actually expecting her to like him back anymore...where chat then learned saying his feelings could still make her uncomfortable or feel disrespected(not realizing her main issue was with teh city and that she was still pretty comfortabe with him and didnt actually care if he kept his crush or not when she calmed down at that point). and he realized teh issues that can stem if he says his feelinsg straitforwardly to marinette when she doesnt know he is adrien and that thats wrong. While Marinette shows the problems of when your TOO shy about your feelings. its easy to see the flaws when your too forward...but when you hold back your feelings you have the illusion that it doesnt matter how intense you get because the otehr person doesnt know and means your not bothering them. Mari;s intial feelings come from a sincere place but due to how she collected her info Adrien got further on a pedestal and she had a harder time talking to him where she started treating him more like a celerbity crush because its harder to get hurt in those onesides relationships. and because she is generally good and a friends...her friends enabled her and don't call her out because they assume that she's calm down eventually or that its just nerves...similar to how nino handled his crush on Marinette. they can see it as romantic becuase she;s a girl or less of a big deal because they know her well and don't see her as a threat. and how due to being in piblic school mari thinks of things like the friendzone...so don't actually realize how precious to adrien friendship is...terating adrien more as a love interest first and a friend second. and her motive when it coems to her crush is more about wanting him to like her rather than getting him to know how much she cares most of the time to contrast how chat mostly jut wanted to express his feelings. and how mari doesn't flirt to ease the idea into adrien....she tends to be all or nothing when it coems to confessions and hides most of her motives or moments in gifts and the like...caring for him alot but showing what happens if that doesnt get across to the person you like....like him going to someone else who is honest(like kagami) or how he thought mari hated hin, and how mari was missing how she honestly DID have a chance if she just noticed how obviosuly adrien thought highly of her ect. and mari had more tunnelvision and wasn;t seeing adrien as accurately...didn't get closure on her feelings which caused some issues with luka ect. and her crossing boundaries easily not realizing hwo creepy she was being like breaking into his room to gve him a gift ect. Mari's issues could have worked if they had just adressed where mari finds out how she was handling her crush was wrong or had consequences...like adrien not believing her feelings or hre realizing he was getting hurt due to her lack of honestly(possiblity that could bite her a bit because her feelings for chat didn;t feel that natural). or how adrien misunderstanding her to having enjoyed his friendshio first...just to find out she has been seeing him as a love interest first could genuinely hurt him becuase adrien thinks mari has been seeing him accurately but mari still very much as biases where its mostly adrien opening up on his own . especially considering mari treated her crush like a celebrity crush alot which could hurt adrien considering he is a celebrity. and how its easier to not realize your crossing boundaries but it doesn't mean you AREN'T. especially when you can get away with stuff due to the mask. though yeah you are right...under a different tone and music horror romance ALL the way.
@@clarisacalderon9555 idk if it's normal behaviour to look up your crush's schedule lol but even if it was, it isn't okay, right? and especially as a kids' show, they should have been explicit in showing that it was wrong. and they didn't. at all. the flashback episode (which i'm certain was made up on spot to justify her behaviour lol) seems like excusing her behaviour instead of explaining it due to the lack of calling her out on any of it. it sends a terrible message and along with how casually felix admitted he stalked kagami and after they got together (like wtf), it really seems that the writers don't think it's a big deal and is romantic, even
Great Video❤❤❤. However, one complaint I've seen in the fandom about Felix is the double standards surrounding Chloe and Felix regarding redemption arcs and parental abuse. Chloe is deemed unworthy of redemption because she never apologises for mistreating Marinette or bullying others. She even had the bee miraculous taken away because of what she did in Miracle Queen. However, Felix easily gave Marinette more trauma during the Season 4 finale by giving the Miraculous to HM. He got rid of all humans in Emotion but he got forgiven quickly and was allowed to keep his miraculous despite also not apologising for what he did. I know Felix had better motives than Chloe for betraying LB (he was doing it for his own survival) but that doesn't mean his actions should be excused or what he did was a good thing. Hate Chloe all you want but she is the only villain character to face consequences for her actions while Felix despite having better motives seems to get a pass Also, the hypocrisy when it comes to parental abuse is terrible. In Representation, The story says we should feel sympathy for Felix when his dad Abuses him (which I agree with, Felix deserves a better father). Still, in Revolution, the narrative is telling us we shouldn't be feeling bad for Chloe when her mum "takes control of her life AGAIN" as in Chloe's case it's punishment, not abuse. So when Audrey takes control of Chloe it is okay as Chloe is bad and deserves punishment but when Colt takes control of Felix, that is where the writers draw the line at? If Felix being controlled classifies as abuse then when Chloe is also going to be controlled, it also should classify as abuse too
It's been some time since I saw Miraculous but apparently, didn't Chloe side with Hawkmoth due to his emotional manipulation revolving around her parents? She just wanted them safe and would do what she is told if it means they'll be safe
Look, no matter how hard the writers try now with his character it's not gonna fix the impression we got from him in the earlier seasons. They could've started with the charismatic personality he had in the recent episodes but they didn't. No amount of writing is gonna fix the inconsistencies these characters had. It's like they hire new writers every season.
Felix, Felix, Felix... What can I say about you that isn't "Here's another example of male abusers getting a free out of jail pass, but female abusers being done completely dirty by Thomas"? I wish somone at the writing crew proofread whatever Thomas wrote and told him to improve his writing instead of simply letting him go scot-free with his favoritism towards Marinette, Felix and Lila. I would have loved if, by the end of S6, Marinette, seeing that Felix really wants to change starts to forgive him for some things he did wrong (not the harassment, though, this would be ANOTHER free out of jail pass for him), and makes him a member of her mini-Justice League, so Adrien and the others can start forgiving him to the things he did to them. But, no, Thomas seems like the type of guy that will look away if one of his male friends did something wrong to a woman, but will harass a woman if she doesn't take abusive behavior for granted and calls her the abusive one, or so it seems by the show he wrote. A female protagonist isn't "feminist", Thomas. Japan does that on the regular for 60 years. James Cameron did that better than you 40 years ago. It's nothing new under the sun. What would've been feminist as hell is Marinette acknowledging that she did in fact harass Adrien through the course of a school year and telling him that Kim broke up with her after she became obsessed with Adrien (I... would've called shots on the whole trauma stuff because it's just a lame excuse for Marinette being creepy towards Adrien), on top of telling him all of her secrets, but no. Let's make Adrien a fucking PRIZE to Marinette's obssessive crush and web of lies because "a female lead is feminist and progressive!" What a joke, really, what a distasteful joke.
@@Willowswonderings. yeah I can see why you wouldnt enjoy him as much as I and many others did , there are definitly a lot of flaws to this character ( and the show in general . ) But in the end , what someone prefers its nothing but subjective .
I wish he’d try to gain everyone’s trust while also refusing to give away his miraculous because while he wants to be trusted he does not trust them, at least- not enough to not kill him because of all the bad things he has done and can potentially do- or give his miraculous to someone who would. That or because he doesn’t trust them not to lose it and have that happen.
I personally thought the "torn trousers" plot point was kinda dumb. Gabriel is a fashion designer and in his own house, he could have just put on a new pair.
Thank you for saying that about his redemption!!! I see so many people being like "Omg I love Felix" and I'm like no??? His redemption was so undeserved and rushed. Here's how I would fix it. In season 5 he doesn't get with Kagami straight away like in Pretention (like seriously didn't they only know each other for a day or something!?) but Kagami realises that Felix doesn't really know how to act around people so she decides to be friends with him and help him become a better person. And then in Representation he tells Kagami that Gabriel's Monarch and they tell Marinette but not through that cringy role play thing. They just tell her like normal people would but there would be actual flashbacks in the episode. And then at the end of season 5 he doesn't join the team yet but in season 6 he starts to gain Kagami's trust even more and he apologises to Marinette and Adrien and everyone else he's hurt and Kagami realises he's really trying to change so towards the end of season 6 she convinces LB to make him a member of the team and she agrees. (Oh and Felix and Kagami start dating) Lmao sorry for writing so much but I just needed to get this out.
Tell me you're doing everything you can to avoid talking about Zoe Lee without actually telling me But jokes aside, this is a brilliant video! Great job!
Felix is my favourit character bc he was intersting from the start and had an mysterious goal. Nobody knew what he exactly wanted and he was the first "villain" to not work with HawkMoth. But in season 5 his development was rushed and even if I love Feligami, I wished it would had more build up. His redemption was extremly rushed and it isn't a bad idea to make him part of the hero team imo, but it should've had more time to be an complete redemption. I mean how do LB and all the other heros immediately trust him after he betrayed them? He should've had a moment where he helps them fight and shows that he has changes for example in the season 5 finale where literaly everyobe was there.
Whooo! Félix! One of my absolute favorite characters from Miraculous. I don't tend to like 'bad' guys but idk this guy just came through for me 😂 First time I watched seasons 1-4, I was super clueless about his motivations and didn't really care about him, but then my friend was like “...You've heard about the senti-twin theory, right?” I had not 💀 But once I knew he was a sentibeing, I was so on board. Suddenly I understood why he traded all the miraculouses for the peacock. Imagine knowing that your existence could be erased so easily -- that's terrifying! Of COURSE he'd want to hold onto that miraculous for himself. And I kinda understood his feelings towards Adrien better. He was probably jealous of the guy in season 3 -- Adrien gets to live in ignorant bliss of the senti situation whilst Félix grapples with issues no 14y/o should have to go through. (Bro was probably one serious existential crisis.) It's like you said-- Félix probably figured out that Adrien was his equal in season 4-5. Like maybe he realized he should start advocating for senti-solidarity instead. (Snapping everyone ELSE out of existence like some weird twisted and ironic revenge definitely WASN'T the way to go about this, but I can sort of see where he's coming from.) And full disclosure, I'm one of those weird people that really liked Representation. Despite the fact that most of his backstory had already been deduced by fans, I still loved that we got confirmation. And man it was rough. No wonder he has trust issues. REGARDLESS, I 100% agree that his redemption is UNEARNED and he looks so out of place with all those other superheroes in the ending shot of season 5. (Like bro, what?? You care about three people max. You're still kind of a dick. I really don't think you'd align yourself with lawful good so readily. Also, what are you gonna do? Wave your fan at the bad guys?) And now I'm worried season 6 is just gonna. gloss over everything? Just “Félix is good guy now! Yay!” and his character is gonna become way less interesting. But we can only wait and see 😭
Actually, Felix's amok is contained in his father's ring. He probably stole Gabriel's ring for his mother only to discover that his mother wanted it for him, and then later, he decided to use the ring to bargain with Gabriel.
If you look at a thomas astruc post he lists down reasons why he hates chloe. All of those things chloe does that thomas lists down as for why he hates her and why shes irredeemable are things that felix does. And felix actually does succeed in the bad things chloe does. I found out about thy hypocrisy woth felix and chloe in a video titled some good ol thomas astruc hypocrisy.
I love Félix’s character development and he’s also the character that gets the most development in the entire series plus I love all your videos they just keep getting better and better and you’re in my top three favourite TH-camrs.🤗🤗🤗
23:35 Well duh because a teenager being mean in far worse than deceiving people to ruin lives (admittedly Chloe did that sometimes to, but not at Lila's level), attempting to take over the world, threatening start a war, and having no issues killing innocent people. (/s)
I actually really like Felix he’s my second favorite character cause my favorite number 1 character or rather characters are adrien marinette and alya they are all tied but Felix is a close second to them yeah he just has so much to him that’s makes him interesting and he is actually the only villain/ anti hero that I don’t hate his character so much I mean I can say the same for Lila but definitely not Gabriel or Chloe to be honest especially Chloe. To be honest out of all the villains felix was actually the most interesting one his character is so good and in my opinion he’s one of the most well written characters not counting the main two characters and I kinda wished that we saw more of him cause he was and still is a great character maybe we’ll see more of him in season 6 hopefully. Anyways great video and congratulations on reaching that many subscribers you deserve it❤
I remember when Felix was just a concept that was so popular among the fandom that they made it into their own character as if he was always part of the show. There was even outcry to make Felix canon despite Thomas making it clear that he never will (And while the original idea of Marinette's relationship seems entertaining, I have to kinda agree with him there). I think I was one of those people who was fascinated by Felix's existence back when he was an early concept, and despite liking the idea that he should become canon, I have to face the fact that he was just a "fanon" character, and Adrien has essentially replaced him (It would be weird to introduce the original Cat Noir alongside the new one). Much later, I was in complete shock and denial when I saw Felix being reintroduced in the show, not exactly what I expected him to be. Despite being introduced as a huge jerk, I am a glad he was made canon at all. And I start to like the character even more after how they decided to go with him. He still needs some works tho, but much less compared to everyone else in the show. So, I love Felix's presence here, because he is like this character that you didn't know carry a much older legacy when you look it up more on his history/early concept, dating even back when the show was just an idea, and is finally made into a thing.
Felix wanted the ring because it contains Adrien's amok and he wanted to set he free, but I don't think his plan in the season 4 finale makes sense, wasn't it enough for him to exchange the ring that Gabriel wanted for the peacock miraculous? Why bother stealing all those miraculous to add to the offering? We know how much Gabriel wanted the ring back, so why not just offer that? While for season 5, I like Felix as a character and a hero but I agree that it happened too quickly as well as his relationship with Kagami. In particular, he seems interested in her only because they are both sentimonsters, while Kagami is getting engaged to her ex's cousin who, moreover, looks exactly the same as him, both things sound quite strange. I like the ship but it was too quick, they didn't take the time to show us that they really like each other, I hope they will do it in season 6
Felix Graham De Vanily. F*thom was his abusive father’s name. So I refuse to address Felix by that last name. In a way it’s like dead naming someone. Not a good thing to do.
I like Felix I think our intro to him he thought that Adrien chose not to visit and Felix later realised that wasn’t true and when he betrayed lady bug all that was in his mind was his and adriens freedom he has heart but like kugami can’t show it well but I can see he is loving but finds hard to show adrien so he teases him
25:26 Here's an interesting idea for Season 6 have the Miraculous Heroes split up partially due to Felix's actions in Strikeback, and some of Lila's manipulation. Lila could reveal everything Felix has ever done as well as fabricate some crimes to frame him. The heroes split with each coming to their own conclusions and not being portrayed as wrong for wanting to punish Felix. Alya could have serious grievances with Felix giving Miraculouses to Shadowmoth, and for trying to assault Marinette, and she comes to disagree with Marinette on how to handle the situation. Alya and her squad are still heroes, but they'll disobey Ladybug and keep their Miraculouses while saving the people of Paris. Alya will occasionally go undercover using her powers to debunk Lila's false claims, but still not forgive Felix.
Felix was mind controlled and almost killed by a man who actively hates him Chloe mom was absent and acted like a prick when she came back Exactly the same
It doesn’t/shouldn’t devalue any of the abuse Chloe took from her mom and it REALLY shouldn’t justify that Felix did a WHOLE GENOCIDE OF HUMANS when Colt was his main attacker. Sure Felix had a better reason to turn, but the fact he does next to nothing to right those wrongs meanwhile Chloe did do a lot to right her wrongs and Felix STILL got a redemption arc is mind numbing.
The change in Felix's character was definitely for the better, even if it wasn’t the smoothest transition. Now i think what happened was because miraculous was originally going to end in s5, and the plot decided to hit the gas, Felix's "redemption " was a product of trying to speed run that ending for him. Its nothing new for shows, i wasn't a fan of it when TOH tried to do the same thing with the collector either, i just think when what your character does is super severe and affects so many people's lives, you need a lot of time to make that redemption feel smooth. Having the characters be so quick to forgive, even if the reasons for the bad actions are sympathetic and have reasons behind them, just always feels unnatural. You need the time and if you don’t have it, i don't think you should speed it. That said, felix is by far one of the better characters in the series, i think his dynamic with kagami is cute and his anti hero role makes him incredibly interesting. All that can be hoped for, is perhaps s6 can establish he hasn't fully been forgiven and have some focus on him trying to earn the others trust. That or, felix is just retconned to say he was helping ladybug stop gabe for Adrien, and onwards he's back to being an antihero and the ending was just misleading.
Ok, you have to remember Felix is a human born from the power of the peacock. qwamie Dusu she is the qwamie that gives her power to the peacock Miraculous to create Sentimonsters. So Felix, like a Sentimonster, was created by an emotion his father colt used the peacock Miraculous so his wife could get pregnant. But because he was feeling the emotion of jealousy, it made Felix a very jealous person. And so he doesn't hate Adrien. He is just jealous of him because of what Adrien has. He has friends and a father who loves him, unlike his father, who didn't, and Felix doesn't have friends. And that's why he was acting like that in the episode Felix. Because of his jealousy to Adrien.
I remember I used to hate Felix. Yeah Thomas asstruc! Screw you! That being said I’m so thankful he deleted Marinette’s love confession in his debut. Because wow Marinette. That was disgusting of you to do! To the Adrienette shippers who thought what Marinette did was sweet or Adrien would love it. Your high. Also you never! EVER! Send a confession of love to someone on the day of a parents supposed death! That is just asking for hell! In season 4 not only did he become a more interesting character. And yes. I’m glad he tricked ladybug. Maybe that’ll teach her not to treat Cat Noir like shit! Ahem. And in season 5? Oh my goodness! He was a badass! Never going to forget him putting Marinette where she belongs. The trash! And then we finally see him slowly change for the better. Kinda. I do love his crush on Kagami. And their relationship. But it could’ve been done a bit better. Also he doesn’t have any reason to trust Marinette! Like dude! This is the same pigtailed girl who had no problem sending a confession of love to your cousin on the day of your Aunt’s supposed death! Like you could’ve told Kagami. And she would’ve kicked Marinette’s ass! Also trusting Marinette wasn’t a good idea because yeah season 5 finale. Praying Felix and Kagami give Marinette a harsh and dare I say cruel scolding to her in season 6!
Now that you bring it up, time to share a theory I have: So for those who don’t know, Felix wasn’t the sociopath dick he was in his debut. In the OG script, he was just a common troll/trickster. That’s it. No hatred to Adrien, no enjoyment to being bad. I think I know why they changed that. Marinette, sent a love confession on the day Emilie saw God. That would make her look bad right? I believe Tommy Boy knew that would the case, but in classic Asstruc fashion, he keeps Mari the same no matter what. So to guarantee his kid wouldn’t be bad, he made Felix become the sociopath we saw, as well as sexually harass LB. So when people watch it, they will see Felix worse than Marinette. And ignore what Mari did. All in the name of making Marinette the sane one.
I freaking love him. He was just so good in the season! He took me by storm in season 4. I legit never throught he was gonna do this to Gabriel. And in emotion he ate!
I doubt it's about gender since Sabrina was easily redeemed even though she didn't do anything to deserve that, and also the show keeps excusing mari's toxic behavior instead of making her work through them.
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I don't know what i hated more, the forced romance with Kagami or the way he doesn't really need to work for his redemption even though he's i'd say the second worst person when it comes to crimes (only second to Gabe). both destroy interesting character for the sake of the narrative whilst also hurting said narrative.
23:01 I wonder if Felix season 3 thought Adrien was the original and he was just a senti-copy and that fueled his behaviour. Then when he realised that BOTH he and Adrien were senti-beings hr no longer felt inferior to Adrien and wanted to reestablish the bond they had as children before Felix found or figured out that he was an atificial creation. (Probably found out at his father's death bed as the father blamed Felix's existence for Colt's death and had never seen Félix as a real chold deserving of love but Colt wasn't around Adrien enough for Felix to see that Colt treated Adrien the same.)
I'm pretty sure the whole purpose of his character from the fist episode he show up in was for Thomas to get back at the fans who wished or preferred Felix was kept as the black cat holder instead of Adrien. Like that whole season 3 episode screams "Oh look how terrible Felix is compared to Adrien, this is why he never would of worked as the second main character of the show" So I remember being surprised that they chose to do more with him which made him one of the most interesting characters in this show. But not surprisingly they ruined him in season 5. I'm sorry but I do not like feligami at all it feels so forced and it's hard to believe that ladybug would forgive him so easily.
so Felix basically Sasuke Uchiha becomes a villain after killing Itachi and learning the truth but After initially being driven by vengeance and a desire for power, Sasuke eventually starts to question his path and begins to reconsider his actions. so it make Kagami Sakura Haruno
Well, after the Wish, 2-3 monthes pass (the summer break) and I'm hoping some special would explore that (I throrize at least the Brazil will) and we might see him in more actions wich will explain his redemption.... I hope so...
Feligami is adorable. But even as much as I love it. It could’ve been written a lot better. Honestly should’ve started somewhere in season 4. Obviously somewhere after the episode Lies. Like maybe the episode Gabriel Agreste. Maybe Adrien introduces Felix to Kagami but they don’t like each other right away. But maybe grow a connection of both wanting Adrien safe.
So, just out of curiosity since you haven't mentioned anything about it in the video, what would you like the writers to do with him from season 6 onwards? (Without changing past events or his redemption in season 5) I mean, him being with the heroes in the end doesn't mean that they forgave him for everything he's done or for him to be 100% on the heroes side now.
I’d like the other heroes to not trust him for an extended period of time, then over time he’d prove himself to them, especially Ladybug. Like Zuko in Book 3.
@@RebekkaJabke Chloe quote aside, I was serious about the fact that Alya is a great friend. Some fans punish her only because she is human and as such she is not perfect and makes mistakes (as Marinette also makes, even serious ones, but she is not painted as a monster). For example, she revealed the secret to Nino only because she couldn't lie to the boy she loves and this was undermining their relationship. In the meantime, she has always been close to Marinette and has always tried to help her in everything, also ending up being an inspiration for her. Luka is a perfect person and this makes him an unrealistic character, while the fact that Alya is not perfect makes her a better character
I don't think the season five finale really ruined Felix we know Marinette is all about second chances as long as you dont aak for a third one (chloe) adrien of course forgave him they're cosuins and he see the good on everyone so it's understandable they gave him the chance to be there with them so he try to earn his redemption and we only see him posing with the others so maybe we'll see the rest of the team's opinion on Felix maybe the people and the police guy will see him with resentment season 6 feels actually promising like I said we know the main cast forgave him quickly cause they understand where he came from but the rest of the world doesn't so to them Felix needs to make it up to them or at least that's how i see it
I have to disagree with the view of your take. Felix is Adrian's cousin who from his first appearance has had a very similar upbringing (controlled, alone, neglected, ext) The key difference is Adrian LONGS for friends, takes actions, and is more successful than any one could ever imagine. (Also Adrians father, nanny and body guard truly love and hold value from him) The only person in Felix's life was Adrian and he seemed to prefer it that way. So when the day of his freedom came (father's death) Felix expected Adrian to be by his side and everything would finally be good. However, instead of being greeted in the overly excited puppy like way Adrian used to be finds a happy and healthier Adrian who has other friends and isn't attention deprived. This shatters his expectations. He's lost the dream that gave him a reason to survive. He acts out childishly because he's never HAD to put emotional labor into Adrian and he's never had anyone put emotional effort INTO him. So, while yeah, everything you said is true as well, the realization his father NEVER had love for him bc he considered Felix sub humam, less than an animal and actively participated in the creation AND genocide of his kind really does change a lot. In a world where people's mistakes can be "undone" with a yoyo, processing your feelings around what someone did to you must be SO MUCH more complicated. Typically, being angry or hurt is counterproductive and frowned upon. Also, comparing him to Chloe in any way is.... Chloe has all the options, literally all of them. She holds the power with her dad and stands toe to toe with her mom. Her choices are from a rotten core. Felix... he's acting from fear, confusion, and desperation. Sentient in a world he sees no place for himself or his kind; created to controled and disposed while not believing in the inferiority his creator imposed. Pretty cool and complex character who he, himself, wanted to be fairy-tale simple. Season 3 was brilliant! Just another villian of the week, someone forgettable, like condiment man... but wait... no, it was his do or die moment and he evolved beautifully 🎉 Though, I may need projecting and reading in too deeply... either way, the story succeeded
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Felix was an anti-villain, and he should have stayed that way. He could have had a villain rivalry with Lila instead of a forced romance with Kagami.
Definitely. I’m not really a fan of Félix and Kagami.
@@ACriticalRetrospective Yeah. Kinda of weird that Kagami went from liking Adrien to Felix, his cousin who looks exactly like him.
@ehimemaidumu Yeah, it implies that Kagami isn't fully over Adrien and is partly dating Felix because he reminds her of her ex-boyfriend. 😬🤔
Great point about Félix
@@ehimemaidumuit isn't only weird is downright creepy the guy kidnapped her poof away her mother that even with everything she loved her and still with all that she's willing to date him cause they're the same ? Please
Felix shouldn’t have been paired up with kagami , it’s character assassination on kagami’s part , and tottaly unnecessary, instead of a romantic relationship, Felix and kagami SHOULDVE had a friendship built on an episode of Felix explaining that kagami is a sentimonster and freeing her from her mothers grasp , Felix is interesting and awesome ( minus the season 3 attempted unconsensual kiss)
they definitely made felix and kagami date because they knew that we wanted kagami to have someone to love aswell. i also do think it works out great because kagami thought that adrien was somebody like felix, but adrien was totally different than she thought. Therefore she lost feelings for adrien. It was easy for her to fall for felix because he has the original personality she thought adrien had. remember whenever she was trying to draw adrien and said for him to act natural. He was acting natural, but not the natural she had visioned of him.
@@willy8665but how they made them start their relationship it's wrong none in their right mind would date someone that kidnapped you stalk you for days and literally poof away your mother it doesn't matter how tragic it's his backstory it's just wrong
Since they're both semimonsters, doesn't that make them siblings? Oh jeez!
@@willy8665 yeah but that feels unfair because they had shown adrien and kagami have pretty great chemistry and getting along in previous episodes with his sense of humour. so him having a personality like felix doesnt really seem like what drew her to him...as what drew kagami to adrien had been his sweet and considerate side that kept him reaching out despite her being harsh on herself when she lost right? felix improved a bit but i still don't think felix fully has that. and it feels off to me that felix ends up with another sentibeing hen he has that bias.
@@billykaplan9915 especially when he was also using your linering feelings for someone who looks similar to him to his advantage as well...though kagami did think mari was a good match for adrien when she started seeing mari's more stalker intense sidesbefore...so maybe kagami has a warped idea what love is since mari is generally pretty good despite mari's unfortunate bad habits in handling crushes? personally i want to know what would happen if kagami dumped him.
just saying...bridgette is technically in the show to.
I feel like Felix only exist so Adrien doesn’t have to be developed or have any agency.
They might as well have just kept Felix as the deuteragonist since Adrien barely accomplishes anything in the plot.
to be fair Felix actually made me notice MORE things about adrien as a character. Like how everyone assumes adrien is naive but adrien knew felix was doing those pranks and was choosing to not take them personally because he knows when someone is hurt and confised theymight lash out at a easy target due to not knowing how the handle their feeling in a better way....showing that adrien is actually WAY more mature that his friends who despite KNOWING it was the anniversary of the day his mom went mssing and he was trapped with his insensative dad all day...they all kindof doubted adrien immededialty and took that video felix sent personally...doubting adrien's character and friendship isntead of assuming adrien who was actingout of character just lashed out and didn't actually mean it orthat something happened to adrien.
like sure it wasn't ACTUALLY adrien....but it was notiable that if it was adrien they would doubt adrien so easily and be unable to defend him instead of being worried for him acting out of character.
and Adrien showed he'd choose to do good even when wronged...like protect felix and his friends when they turned into punisher..and how he still offered felix a ear if he needed it but did put his foot down to not forgive felix for what he did til felix showed he was really sorry.
its kindof likehow we see adrien is actually mouch smarter than others give his credit for in that he understands a better way to handle lila rather than mari who loses her composure where he adjsuts how he handles her due to knew info on how malicious lila can be since mari wasn't honest.
and how felix comes off as more entitled than adrien at points.
23:34 I KNOW RIGHT! I guess the creators only think the child's shitty bahaviour is only understandable when they are physically(?) abused and when the parent literally wish the child's death - otherwise, it's ALL child's fault and not the parents. Which shows that the creators (or at least Astruc. Probably only Astruc, actually) shouldn't be allowed to take care of children.
Both Felix and Chloe had terrible parent and they both deserved better, but at least Felix seem to have a genuinely loving and wholesome mother that's willing to accept him (she's even willing to hide him away from Ladybug after his betrayal in the finale of S4). Chloe's father, on the other hand, didn't bother to reform her and send her away to her ABUSIVE mother the moment he got a better daughter.
I don't want to compare characters' suffering, but that's clearly what the writers (or just Astruc) are doing.
When Felix's redemption came in I was like "Wait...wah?" it was so sudden. Feligami was also a shock. No one even shipped them and suddenly Felix kidnaps Kagami and she's like "He my man now." because this ship basically sailed over one episode...this just feels shallow I can't help but think in the back of my head that Kagami is with Felix because he's Adrien 2.0 (looks wise)
After watching Emotion I always thought it would be cool if Felix had a little villain arc. I wouldn't cry if...whaever episodes 20-23 were. Imagine if Felix would find out Adrien is Chat. And these angst. THESE ANGST!!
Oh😅
@@gracekim25 Oh what?
Well um you didn’t mention that he kidnapped her to give her back her freedom?😅
@@gracekim25 I assumed that people who watch this video know this part
@@gracekim25He still *kidnapped* her, and regardless of the intent the act of kidnapping inherently invalidates the agency of the victim, which is a shitty thing to do if your goal is supposedly to "free" her. If he wanted to do that, he could've explained the Sentimonster thing directly and given her the ring right after, he didn't *need* to kidnap her like that.
Felix is Austruc's pet karma Houdini, he has yet to be punished for give Hawkmoth nearly all of the Miraculous at the end of Season 4, instead he totally let off the hook.
the main problem is that the series is terribly planned, that's why a lot of things don't fit in place at all and most of the lore seems like it was given little thought. not to mention their utter lack of regard for the importance of character development and continuity
@@catherinejanet5806they don’t really plan out much in terms of lore😅 i don’t know if this is the case in present day but I did hear that at some point they’d write the story in like 3 months 😨
I’m still AMAZED that Gabriel took credit for the victory Felix achieved😮
I think season 5 was originally the end😅 that might be why Felix’s redemption arc is so fast
i still don’t get why the writers made felix assault marinette in his debut episode if they were gonna give him a redemption arc?? without him even apologizing for that??
The writers prefer to give redemtion arc to a genocide (Felix) Instead of a rich bullying girl (Chloe)
and they are trying to make me ship him with kagami even though the only reasonshe was slightly interested was because shethought he was adrien and him blatantly using her lingering feelings? and they want me to forgive the guy?
what i dont get is they make the worst episode to try to make it seem mari's issues with dating adrien was due to chloe even though mari dated adrien just fine in other timelines when the clear reason he'd have for being weird about it is the trauma felix did by pretending to be adrien and betraying that trust by stealng all the miraculouses!
thats clearly on felix!
@@clarisacalderon9555i also think he fell in love with her after he stalked her?? this isn't a kids show lol, different lighting and art style and this could be a dark romantic horror, so much stalking and all sorts of fucked up shit
@@catherinejanet5806 in SLIGHT defense of Marinette it can be REALLY easy to gather information now(especially because adrien is a public figure). And because we know Mari had a bad first impression with Adrien her being worried about his opinion and making a fool of herself makes sense...so her initially liking him from afar where she wanted to feel close to him but feared being vulnerable herself..so having her collect info to try to feel calmer and closer to him made sense for her as a character. and becuase she's generally a good person and a girl and her friends know mari is generally a good person...its easy for her to not realize she is crossing boundaries...especially when she has a secert identity.
I've seen some teens get weirdly intense about certain crushes and act weird....
and specially mari and adrien's flaws contrast eachother. Adrien showed what happens when your too open about your feelings directly, when you joke about your feelings and flirt. that the otehr person might not realize your feelings are serious or just banter back. How acting in your jealousy is wrong because they don't like you back. and how they will call you out and get mad at you if you put pressure and how you can;t expect their feelings to just change because its convient for you..where Adrien then WAS able to try to move on as he had realized in frozer that he can;t force his feelings to go before they are ready just as he can't expect her feelings to change...but that means when he DID give kagami a chance later she WASN'T just a rebound or changed target. where the joke was LB was thinking he was till trying to make her jealous but that he WAS seriously interested in kagami and meant his flower in newyork platonically. where adrien realize yeah he could still like LB but he could choose which feelings he would water and how since he had closure. and then later after the breakup he might have gone back to his feelings for LB for a while...but his MOTIVE for it wasn't for LB to like him back...he was using it beucase it was familar and a good distraction from his problems and easier to act like he was okay using that old dynamic. where LB then didn't realize his motive changed since she handles her own crush different and didn;t know he actually DID date someone else so lashed out at the times he did flirt...not realize he wasn't actually expecting her to like him back anymore...where chat then learned saying his feelings could still make her uncomfortable or feel disrespected(not realizing her main issue was with teh city and that she was still pretty comfortabe with him and didnt actually care if he kept his crush or not when she calmed down at that point). and he realized teh issues that can stem if he says his feelinsg straitforwardly to marinette when she doesnt know he is adrien and that thats wrong.
While Marinette shows the problems of when your TOO shy about your feelings. its easy to see the flaws when your too forward...but when you hold back your feelings you have the illusion that it doesnt matter how intense you get because the otehr person doesnt know and means your not bothering them. Mari;s intial feelings come from a sincere place but due to how she collected her info Adrien got further on a pedestal and she had a harder time talking to him where she started treating him more like a celerbity crush because its harder to get hurt in those onesides relationships. and because she is generally good and a friends...her friends enabled her and don't call her out because they assume that she's calm down eventually or that its just nerves...similar to how nino handled his crush on Marinette. they can see it as romantic becuase she;s a girl or less of a big deal because they know her well and don't see her as a threat. and how due to being in piblic school mari thinks of things like the friendzone...so don't actually realize how precious to adrien friendship is...terating adrien more as a love interest first and a friend second. and her motive when it coems to her crush is more about wanting him to like her rather than getting him to know how much she cares most of the time to contrast how chat mostly jut wanted to express his feelings. and how mari doesn't flirt to ease the idea into adrien....she tends to be all or nothing when it coems to confessions and hides most of her motives or moments in gifts and the like...caring for him alot but showing what happens if that doesnt get across to the person you like....like him going to someone else who is honest(like kagami) or how he thought mari hated hin, and how mari was missing how she honestly DID have a chance if she just noticed how obviosuly adrien thought highly of her ect. and mari had more tunnelvision and wasn;t seeing adrien as accurately...didn't get closure on her feelings which caused some issues with luka ect. and her crossing boundaries easily not realizing hwo creepy she was being like breaking into his room to gve him a gift ect.
Mari's issues could have worked if they had just adressed where mari finds out how she was handling her crush was wrong or had consequences...like adrien not believing her feelings or hre realizing he was getting hurt due to her lack of honestly(possiblity that could bite her a bit because her feelings for chat didn;t feel that natural). or how adrien misunderstanding her to having enjoyed his friendshio first...just to find out she has been seeing him as a love interest first could genuinely hurt him becuase adrien thinks mari has been seeing him accurately but mari still very much as biases where its mostly adrien opening up on his own . especially considering mari treated her crush like a celebrity crush alot which could hurt adrien considering he is a celebrity. and how its easier to not realize your crossing boundaries but it doesn't mean you AREN'T. especially when you can get away with stuff due to the mask.
though yeah you are right...under a different tone and music horror romance ALL the way.
@@clarisacalderon9555 idk if it's normal behaviour to look up your crush's schedule lol but even if it was, it isn't okay, right? and especially as a kids' show, they should have been explicit in showing that it was wrong. and they didn't. at all. the flashback episode (which i'm certain was made up on spot to justify her behaviour lol) seems like excusing her behaviour instead of explaining it due to the lack of calling her out on any of it. it sends a terrible message and along with how casually felix admitted he stalked kagami and after they got together (like wtf), it really seems that the writers don't think it's a big deal and is romantic, even
Great Video❤❤❤. However, one complaint I've seen in the fandom about Felix is the double standards surrounding Chloe and Felix regarding redemption arcs and parental abuse. Chloe is deemed unworthy of redemption because she never apologises for mistreating Marinette or bullying others. She even had the bee miraculous taken away because of what she did in Miracle Queen. However, Felix easily gave Marinette more trauma during the Season 4 finale by giving the Miraculous to HM. He got rid of all humans in Emotion but he got forgiven quickly and was allowed to keep his miraculous despite also not apologising for what he did. I know Felix had better motives than Chloe for betraying LB (he was doing it for his own survival) but that doesn't mean his actions should be excused or what he did was a good thing. Hate Chloe all you want but she is the only villain character to face consequences for her actions while Felix despite having better motives seems to get a pass
Also, the hypocrisy when it comes to parental abuse is terrible. In Representation, The story says we should feel sympathy for Felix when his dad Abuses him (which I agree with, Felix deserves a better father). Still, in Revolution, the narrative is telling us we shouldn't be feeling bad for Chloe when her mum "takes control of her life AGAIN" as in Chloe's case it's punishment, not abuse. So when Audrey takes control of Chloe it is okay as Chloe is bad and deserves punishment but when Colt takes control of Felix, that is where the writers draw the line at? If Felix being controlled classifies as abuse then when Chloe is also going to be controlled, it also should classify as abuse too
That’s all Thomas 🤦♀️
They have to make felix bitch the miraculous. Because he is a sentimonster and it is too dangerous to give someone the power to make him disappear.
It's been some time since I saw Miraculous but apparently, didn't Chloe side with Hawkmoth due to his emotional manipulation revolving around her parents? She just wanted them safe and would do what she is told if it means they'll be safe
Look, no matter how hard the writers try now with his character it's not gonna fix the impression we got from him in the earlier seasons. They could've started with the charismatic personality he had in the recent episodes but they didn't. No amount of writing is gonna fix the inconsistencies these characters had. It's like they hire new writers every season.
Felix, Felix, Felix... What can I say about you that isn't "Here's another example of male abusers getting a free out of jail pass, but female abusers being done completely dirty by Thomas"? I wish somone at the writing crew proofread whatever Thomas wrote and told him to improve his writing instead of simply letting him go scot-free with his favoritism towards Marinette, Felix and Lila. I would have loved if, by the end of S6, Marinette, seeing that Felix really wants to change starts to forgive him for some things he did wrong (not the harassment, though, this would be ANOTHER free out of jail pass for him), and makes him a member of her mini-Justice League, so Adrien and the others can start forgiving him to the things he did to them. But, no, Thomas seems like the type of guy that will look away if one of his male friends did something wrong to a woman, but will harass a woman if she doesn't take abusive behavior for granted and calls her the abusive one, or so it seems by the show he wrote. A female protagonist isn't "feminist", Thomas. Japan does that on the regular for 60 years. James Cameron did that better than you 40 years ago. It's nothing new under the sun. What would've been feminist as hell is Marinette acknowledging that she did in fact harass Adrien through the course of a school year and telling him that Kim broke up with her after she became obsessed with Adrien (I... would've called shots on the whole trauma stuff because it's just a lame excuse for Marinette being creepy towards Adrien), on top of telling him all of her secrets, but no. Let's make Adrien a fucking PRIZE to Marinette's obssessive crush and web of lies because "a female lead is feminist and progressive!" What a joke, really, what a distasteful joke.
Trophy boyfriends still have trophy in the front as that’s the most important bit.
I think he wanted to isolate adrien from his friends originally because of his hatred for humanity
Felix in Seoson 5 was litirally the peak of Miraculous
He is. 😊
Real
I respect your opinion but I disagree
@@Willowswonderings.I respect your opinion but i disagree
@@Willowswonderings. yeah I can see why you wouldnt enjoy him as much as I and many others did , there are definitly a lot of flaws to this character ( and the show in general . ) But in the end , what someone prefers its nothing but subjective .
I wish he’d try to gain everyone’s trust while also refusing to give away his miraculous because while he wants to be trusted he does not trust them, at least- not enough to not kill him because of all the bad things he has done and can potentially do- or give his miraculous to someone who would. That or because he doesn’t trust them not to lose it and have that happen.
I personally thought the "torn trousers" plot point was kinda dumb. Gabriel is a fashion designer and in his own house, he could have just put on a new pair.
Thank you for saying that about his redemption!!! I see so many people being like "Omg I love Felix" and I'm like no??? His redemption was so undeserved and rushed. Here's how I would fix it. In season 5 he doesn't get with Kagami straight away like in Pretention (like seriously didn't they only know each other for a day or something!?) but Kagami realises that Felix doesn't really know how to act around people so she decides to be friends with him and help him become a better person. And then in Representation he tells Kagami that Gabriel's Monarch and they tell Marinette but not through that cringy role play thing. They just tell her like normal people would but there would be actual flashbacks in the episode. And then at the end of season 5 he doesn't join the team yet but in season 6 he starts to gain Kagami's trust even more and he apologises to Marinette and Adrien and everyone else he's hurt and Kagami realises he's really trying to change so towards the end of season 6 she convinces LB to make him a member of the team and she agrees. (Oh and Felix and Kagami start dating)
Lmao sorry for writing so much but I just needed to get this out.
This was very interesting. I definitely agree with all of it. The last thing Felix needed was a love interest. 🤣
@@ACriticalRetrospective Oh wow you replied fast. 😂 New subscriber btw!
@@fluffystar1 Thank you. I appreciate it. 😁
Tell me you're doing everything you can to avoid talking about Zoe Lee without actually telling me
But jokes aside, this is a brilliant video! Great job!
Thanks! That’s nice of you. If only there was something to say about Zoé. 😂
@@ACriticalRetrospectiveShe could do better than Marinette. That’s all I’ve got.
Felix is my favourit character bc he was intersting from the start and had an mysterious goal. Nobody knew what he exactly wanted and he was the first "villain" to not work with HawkMoth. But in season 5 his development was rushed and even if I love Feligami, I wished it would had more build up. His redemption was extremly rushed and it isn't a bad idea to make him part of the hero team imo, but it should've had more time to be an complete redemption. I mean how do LB and all the other heros immediately trust him after he betrayed them? He should've had a moment where he helps them fight and shows that he has changes for example in the season 5 finale where literaly everyobe was there.
That’s true. Félix just needed more time to flesh out his redemption.
True to me it kinda felt a little rush
How in the world can they justify not having Felix try to save his girlfriend (and his cousin) during the finale and help save Paris?
@@redram6080 Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking
Personally, I'm not a fan of Feligami at all.
Whooo! Félix! One of my absolute favorite characters from Miraculous. I don't tend to like 'bad' guys but idk this guy just came through for me 😂
First time I watched seasons 1-4, I was super clueless about his motivations and didn't really care about him, but then my friend was like “...You've heard about the senti-twin theory, right?” I had not 💀 But once I knew he was a sentibeing, I was so on board.
Suddenly I understood why he traded all the miraculouses for the peacock. Imagine knowing that your existence could be erased so easily -- that's terrifying! Of COURSE he'd want to hold onto that miraculous for himself.
And I kinda understood his feelings towards Adrien better. He was probably jealous of the guy in season 3 -- Adrien gets to live in ignorant bliss of the senti situation whilst Félix grapples with issues no 14y/o should have to go through. (Bro was probably one serious existential crisis.)
It's like you said-- Félix probably figured out that Adrien was his equal in season 4-5. Like maybe he realized he should start advocating for senti-solidarity instead. (Snapping everyone ELSE out of existence like some weird twisted and ironic revenge definitely WASN'T the way to go about this, but I can sort of see where he's coming from.)
And full disclosure, I'm one of those weird people that really liked Representation. Despite the fact that most of his backstory had already been deduced by fans, I still loved that we got confirmation. And man it was rough. No wonder he has trust issues.
REGARDLESS, I 100% agree that his redemption is UNEARNED and he looks so out of place with all those other superheroes in the ending shot of season 5. (Like bro, what?? You care about three people max. You're still kind of a dick. I really don't think you'd align yourself with lawful good so readily. Also, what are you gonna do? Wave your fan at the bad guys?)
And now I'm worried season 6 is just gonna. gloss over everything? Just “Félix is good guy now! Yay!” and his character is gonna become way less interesting.
But we can only wait and see 😭
Its 7:00am rn and I decided this is more important than sleep
That’s dedication! Get some rest afterwards, though. 😊
As soon as I woke up 🤳*play video
@@gachashort2011 Thanks. That’s very nice of you to do. 😊
"Because unlike all of the others he is a competent person" True😂
I think the rings contain Felix and Adrien's amoks because they're sentimonsters, that's why he wanted it so bad I believe
Maybe.
Actually, Felix's amok is contained in his father's ring. He probably stole Gabriel's ring for his mother only to discover that his mother wanted it for him, and then later, he decided to use the ring to bargain with Gabriel.
Can’t watch right now, but might as well give you an ad to make that beautiful YT money. Congrats again on 1K bro.
Thanks. 😊
When something like this happens in this type of series, I inevitably end up thinking that it happened by accident.
Ive personally never cared for Felix. Wasn't expecting you to upload so this video was a nice surprise
Thanks. I wanted to surprise everybody with a new video unexpectedly. 😊
If you look at a thomas astruc post he lists down reasons why he hates chloe. All of those things chloe does that thomas lists down as for why he hates her and why shes irredeemable are things that felix does. And felix actually does succeed in the bad things chloe does. I found out about thy hypocrisy woth felix and chloe in a video titled some good ol thomas astruc hypocrisy.
Yeah 😂👍🏻
I love Félix’s character development and he’s also the character that gets the most development in the entire series plus I love all your videos they just keep getting better and better and you’re in my top three favourite TH-camrs.🤗🤗🤗
Really? That's so nice to hear! I'm so happy you love my videos.😊
Of course you’re a really close second place next to my favourite TH-camr miraculouslylizzie.
You might like it, but I think his development was too rushed and inconsistent.
23:35 Well duh because a teenager being mean in far worse than deceiving people to ruin lives (admittedly Chloe did that sometimes to, but not at Lila's level), attempting to take over the world, threatening start a war, and having no issues killing innocent people. (/s)
I actually really like Felix he’s my second favorite character cause my favorite number 1 character or rather characters are adrien marinette and alya they are all tied but Felix is a close second to them yeah he just has so much to him that’s makes him interesting and he is actually the only villain/ anti hero that I don’t hate his character so much I mean I can say the same for Lila but definitely not Gabriel or Chloe to be honest especially Chloe. To be honest out of all the villains felix was actually the most interesting one his character is so good and in my opinion he’s one of the most well written characters not counting the main two characters and I kinda wished that we saw more of him cause he was and still is a great character maybe we’ll see more of him in season 6 hopefully. Anyways great video and congratulations on reaching that many subscribers you deserve it❤
Thanks. It’s incredible to think of the subscriber count. 😊
I remember when Felix was just a concept that was so popular among the fandom that they made it into their own character as if he was always part of the show. There was even outcry to make Felix canon despite Thomas making it clear that he never will (And while the original idea of Marinette's relationship seems entertaining, I have to kinda agree with him there). I think I was one of those people who was fascinated by Felix's existence back when he was an early concept, and despite liking the idea that he should become canon, I have to face the fact that he was just a "fanon" character, and Adrien has essentially replaced him (It would be weird to introduce the original Cat Noir alongside the new one).
Much later, I was in complete shock and denial when I saw Felix being reintroduced in the show, not exactly what I expected him to be. Despite being introduced as a huge jerk, I am a glad he was made canon at all. And I start to like the character even more after how they decided to go with him. He still needs some works tho, but much less compared to everyone else in the show.
So, I love Felix's presence here, because he is like this character that you didn't know carry a much older legacy when you look it up more on his history/early concept, dating even back when the show was just an idea, and is finally made into a thing.
I think Felix deserved more screentime as Argos during season 5.
And maybe one more episode for his romance with Kagami.
Cool! Thanks for the suprise :)
Anytime. 😊
Amazing video dude
Thank you.😊
Felix wanted the ring because it contains Adrien's amok and he wanted to set he free, but I don't think his plan in the season 4 finale makes sense, wasn't it enough for him to exchange the ring that Gabriel wanted for the peacock miraculous? Why bother stealing all those miraculous to add to the offering? We know how much Gabriel wanted the ring back, so why not just offer that? While for season 5, I like Felix as a character and a hero but I agree that it happened too quickly as well as his relationship with Kagami. In particular, he seems interested in her only because they are both sentimonsters, while Kagami is getting engaged to her ex's cousin who, moreover, looks exactly the same as him, both things sound quite strange. I like the ship but it was too quick, they didn't take the time to show us that they really like each other, I hope they will do it in season 6
Feligami just came out of NOWHERE. the ship is cute and all if I’m remembering correctly there weren’t any moments between the two.
Sorry I’m late but congrats on 1k dude great retrospective as always.
Thanks. That’s sweet of you. 😊
In my opinion Félix Fathom is a perfect example of a grey character although I agree they should’ve portrayed it better
Also great video I absolutely loved it aswell as the previous mlb vid!^^
@@caelum_eti_2007 Thanks! 😊
Tbh him in his villain era he was also an absolute menace!😭💀
@@ACriticalRetrospectiveyou’re welcome bro!:D
Felix Graham De Vanily. F*thom was his abusive father’s name. So I refuse to address Felix by that last name. In a way it’s like dead naming someone. Not a good thing to do.
I like Felix I think our intro to him he thought that Adrien chose not to visit and Felix later realised that wasn’t true and when he betrayed lady bug all that was in his mind was his and adriens freedom he has heart but like kugami can’t show it well but I can see he is loving but finds hard to show adrien so he teases him
25:26 Here's an interesting idea for Season 6 have the Miraculous Heroes split up partially due to Felix's actions in Strikeback, and some of Lila's manipulation. Lila could reveal everything Felix has ever done as well as fabricate some crimes to frame him. The heroes split with each coming to their own conclusions and not being portrayed as wrong for wanting to punish Felix. Alya could have serious grievances with Felix giving Miraculouses to Shadowmoth, and for trying to assault Marinette, and she comes to disagree with Marinette on how to handle the situation. Alya and her squad are still heroes, but they'll disobey Ladybug and keep their Miraculouses while saving the people of Paris. Alya will occasionally go undercover using her powers to debunk Lila's false claims, but still not forgive Felix.
Felix was mind controlled and almost killed by a man who actively hates him
Chloe mom was absent and acted like a prick when she came back
Exactly the same
Good point. It’s definitely true that Félix and Chloé were different in terms of their backstories. Thanks for sharing. 😊
It doesn’t/shouldn’t devalue any of the abuse Chloe took from her mom and it REALLY shouldn’t justify that Felix did a WHOLE GENOCIDE OF HUMANS when Colt was his main attacker.
Sure Felix had a better reason to turn, but the fact he does next to nothing to right those wrongs meanwhile Chloe did do a lot to right her wrongs and Felix STILL got a redemption arc is mind numbing.
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Your analysis was really good!
Thank you so much! 😊
@@ACriticalRetrospective you’re welcome :)
The change in Felix's character was definitely for the better, even if it wasn’t the smoothest transition.
Now i think what happened was because miraculous was originally going to end in s5, and the plot decided to hit the gas, Felix's "redemption " was a product of trying to speed run that ending for him.
Its nothing new for shows, i wasn't a fan of it when TOH tried to do the same thing with the collector either, i just think when what your character does is super severe and affects so many people's lives, you need a lot of time to make that redemption feel smooth.
Having the characters be so quick to forgive, even if the reasons for the bad actions are sympathetic and have reasons behind them, just always feels unnatural. You need the time and if you don’t have it, i don't think you should speed it.
That said, felix is by far one of the better characters in the series, i think his dynamic with kagami is cute and his anti hero role makes him incredibly interesting.
All that can be hoped for, is perhaps s6 can establish he hasn't fully been forgiven and have some focus on him trying to earn the others trust.
That or, felix is just retconned to say he was helping ladybug stop gabe for Adrien, and onwards he's back to being an antihero and the ending was just misleading.
I can see everyone except Kagami having serious trust issues with Felix
Ok, you have to remember Felix is a human born from the power of the peacock. qwamie Dusu she is the qwamie that gives her power to the peacock Miraculous to create Sentimonsters. So Felix, like a Sentimonster, was created by an emotion his father colt used the peacock Miraculous so his wife could get pregnant. But because he was feeling the emotion of jealousy, it made Felix a very jealous person. And so he doesn't hate Adrien. He is just jealous of him because of what Adrien has. He has friends and a father who loves him, unlike his father, who didn't, and Felix doesn't have friends. And that's why he was acting like that in the episode Felix. Because of his jealousy to Adrien.
Thanks for letting me know. 😊
Still waiting for that Harumi video!❤☺️
I value your patience. I’ll make it after the next one. ☺
@@ACriticalRetrospective Don't worry take your time☺️
Also congratulations on 1k subs!
@@S0ra_eeditz_ Thanks. 😊
I remember I used to hate Felix. Yeah Thomas asstruc! Screw you! That being said I’m so thankful he deleted Marinette’s love confession in his debut. Because wow Marinette. That was disgusting of you to do! To the Adrienette shippers who thought what Marinette did was sweet or Adrien would love it. Your high. Also you never! EVER! Send a confession of love to someone on the day of a parents supposed death! That is just asking for hell! In season 4 not only did he become a more interesting character. And yes. I’m glad he tricked ladybug. Maybe that’ll teach her not to treat Cat Noir like shit! Ahem. And in season 5? Oh my goodness! He was a badass! Never going to forget him putting Marinette where she belongs. The trash! And then we finally see him slowly change for the better. Kinda. I do love his crush on Kagami. And their relationship. But it could’ve been done a bit better. Also he doesn’t have any reason to trust Marinette! Like dude! This is the same pigtailed girl who had no problem sending a confession of love to your cousin on the day of your Aunt’s supposed death! Like you could’ve told Kagami. And she would’ve kicked Marinette’s ass! Also trusting Marinette wasn’t a good idea because yeah season 5 finale. Praying Felix and Kagami give Marinette a harsh and dare I say cruel scolding to her in season 6!
Now that you bring it up, time to share a theory I have:
So for those who don’t know, Felix wasn’t the sociopath dick he was in his debut. In the OG script, he was just a common troll/trickster. That’s it. No hatred to Adrien, no enjoyment to being bad. I think I know why they changed that. Marinette, sent a love confession on the day Emilie saw God. That would make her look bad right? I believe Tommy Boy knew that would the case, but in classic Asstruc fashion, he keeps Mari the same no matter what. So to guarantee his kid wouldn’t be bad, he made Felix become the sociopath we saw, as well as sexually harass LB. So when people watch it, they will see Felix worse than Marinette. And ignore what Mari did. All in the name of making Marinette the sane one.
@@MGory828Unfortunately that sounds very possible. Oh Thomas asstruc. We fucking hate you!
You are right though, you don’t send a confession on the anniversary of someone’s death 😅 so in that aspect Felix was in the right
@@MGory828oh
@@MGory828 You really think that's why Astruc did that?
I freaking love him. He was just so good in the season! He took me by storm in season 4. I legit never throught he was gonna do this to Gabriel. And in emotion he ate!
Simple. Chloe as a female is irredeemable. Felix is male is redeemable
I doubt it's about gender since Sabrina was easily redeemed even though she didn't do anything to deserve that, and also the show keeps excusing mari's toxic behavior instead of making her work through them.
At this point, it feels like the writers have a specific vendetta against chloe for some reason.
Honestly I feel bad for both Chloe and Felix. Thomas asstruc tries to make us play favorites. Didn’t work Thomas! I’m not stupid!
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I don't know what i hated more, the forced romance with Kagami or the way he doesn't really need to work for his redemption even though he's i'd say the second worst person when it comes to crimes (only second to Gabe). both destroy interesting character for the sake of the narrative whilst also hurting said narrative.
I love feligami but it was very rushed...they should have made them friends for s5 then slowly make them a couple
23:01 I wonder if Felix season 3 thought Adrien was the original and he was just a senti-copy and that fueled his behaviour. Then when he realised that BOTH he and Adrien were senti-beings hr no longer felt inferior to Adrien and wanted to reestablish the bond they had as children before Felix found or figured out that he was an atificial creation. (Probably found out at his father's death bed as the father blamed Felix's existence for Colt's death and had never seen Félix as a real chold deserving of love but Colt wasn't around Adrien enough for Felix to see that Colt treated Adrien the same.)
@@keriannekerr1876 I like that idea! It definitely allows things to make more sense.
as someone that have nothing to say i just leave this for youtube argoritm
Thanks! Any engagement is good engagement. 😊
I like Felix because he actually gets shit done. Or, rather, got shit done.
I'm pretty sure the whole purpose of his character from the fist episode he show up in was for Thomas to get back at the fans who wished or preferred Felix was kept as the black cat holder instead of Adrien. Like that whole season 3 episode screams "Oh look how terrible Felix is compared to Adrien, this is why he never would of worked as the second main character of the show" So I remember being surprised that they chose to do more with him which made him one of the most interesting characters in this show. But not surprisingly they ruined him in season 5. I'm sorry but I do not like feligami at all it feels so forced and it's hard to believe that ladybug would forgive him so easily.
so Felix basically Sasuke Uchiha becomes a villain after killing Itachi and learning the truth but After initially being driven by vengeance and a desire for power, Sasuke eventually starts to question his path and begins to reconsider his actions.
so it make Kagami Sakura Haruno
12:13 so real 😢
9:20 hmmmmmm🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 I wonder
23:36 misogyny 🥰
Well, after the Wish, 2-3 monthes pass (the summer break) and I'm hoping some special would explore that (I throrize at least the Brazil will) and we might see him in more actions wich will explain his redemption.... I hope so...
Feligami is adorable. But even as much as I love it. It could’ve been written a lot better. Honestly should’ve started somewhere in season 4. Obviously somewhere after the episode Lies. Like maybe the episode Gabriel Agreste. Maybe Adrien introduces Felix to Kagami but they don’t like each other right away. But maybe grow a connection of both wanting Adrien safe.
So, just out of curiosity since you haven't mentioned anything about it in the video, what would you like the writers to do with him from season 6 onwards? (Without changing past events or his redemption in season 5)
I mean, him being with the heroes in the end doesn't mean that they forgave him for everything he's done or for him to be 100% on the heroes side now.
I’d like the other heroes to not trust him for an extended period of time, then over time he’d prove himself to them, especially Ladybug. Like Zuko in Book 3.
Guys, don't hate me for saying this, but maybe in Season 6, Felix would make amends.
Felix is one of the best characters
He what Adrian should have been 😅
can you make a video about how Alya and Nino are bad written best friends for both Adrien and marinette
I bet I could do something like that. 😊
To think that Alya isn't a good friend is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous
@@lamichevolediquartiere5954 serious or sarcasm
@@RebekkaJabke Chloe quote aside, I was serious about the fact that Alya is a great friend. Some fans punish her only because she is human and as such she is not perfect and makes mistakes (as Marinette also makes, even serious ones, but she is not painted as a monster). For example, she revealed the secret to Nino only because she couldn't lie to the boy she loves and this was undermining their relationship. In the meantime, she has always been close to Marinette and has always tried to help her in everything, also ending up being an inspiration for her. Luka is a perfect person and this makes him an unrealistic character, while the fact that Alya is not perfect makes her a better character
The only thing that confuses me is when you compare his debut with his later appearances…it’s odd🤔 but I appreciate his development ❤
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Felix could have written a lot a better.
As big fan of lila x felix,im angey with season 5
I don't think the season five finale really ruined Felix we know Marinette is all about second chances as long as you dont aak for a third one (chloe) adrien of course forgave him they're cosuins and he see the good on everyone so it's understandable they gave him the chance to be there with them so he try to earn his redemption and we only see him posing with the others so maybe we'll see the rest of the team's opinion on Felix maybe the people and the police guy will see him with resentment season 6 feels actually promising like I said we know the main cast forgave him quickly cause they understand where he came from but the rest of the world doesn't so to them Felix needs to make it up to them or at least that's how i see it
I really hope you’re right about Season 6. Thanks for sharing. 😊
I have to disagree with the view of your take. Felix is Adrian's cousin who from his first appearance has had a very similar upbringing (controlled, alone, neglected, ext) The key difference is Adrian LONGS for friends, takes actions, and is more successful than any one could ever imagine. (Also Adrians father, nanny and body guard truly love and hold value from him)
The only person in Felix's life was Adrian and he seemed to prefer it that way. So when the day of his freedom came (father's death) Felix expected Adrian to be by his side and everything would finally be good. However, instead of being greeted in the overly excited puppy like way Adrian used to be finds a happy and healthier Adrian who has other friends and isn't attention deprived.
This shatters his expectations. He's lost the dream that gave him a reason to survive. He acts out childishly because he's never HAD to put emotional labor into Adrian and he's never had anyone put emotional effort INTO him.
So, while yeah, everything you said is true as well, the realization his father NEVER had love for him bc he considered Felix sub humam, less than an animal and actively participated in the creation AND genocide of his kind really does change a lot.
In a world where people's mistakes can be "undone" with a yoyo, processing your feelings around what someone did to you must be SO MUCH more complicated. Typically, being angry or hurt is counterproductive and frowned upon.
Also, comparing him to Chloe in any way is.... Chloe has all the options, literally all of them. She holds the power with her dad and stands toe to toe with her mom. Her choices are from a rotten core. Felix... he's acting from fear, confusion, and desperation. Sentient in a world he sees no place for himself or his kind; created to controled and disposed while not believing in the inferiority his creator imposed.
Pretty cool and complex character who he, himself, wanted to be fairy-tale simple. Season 3 was brilliant! Just another villian of the week, someone forgettable, like condiment man... but wait... no, it was his do or die moment and he evolved beautifully 🎉
Though, I may need projecting and reading in too deeply... either way, the story succeeded
That’s definitely an interesting take on his character. Thanks for sharing. 😊
Why do you like the idea of sentimonsters being people? I'll never be comfortable with that.
@@ethancox9737what do you mean? If a being has human-level sentience then they’re a person in fiction 🤷♀️ it’s pretty simple 😅
@@gracekim25 Yes, but why do you like the idea of the Peacock being able to make real people? That just ruined sentimonsters for me.
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That's so kind of you! I'll take you up on your offer. I could use some help making the channel more customised. 😊
If you want, we can stay in touch to discuss thumbnail art. It would really help.
@@ACriticalRetrospective sounds good! I put my emails in one of the replies lol did that get through?
@@crowe7755 No, it didn’t. I tried to tell you to put it in your channel description but TH-cam removed the comment. I think it’s trying to prevent the sharing of emails via comments.
I think you should update your channel description with the email.
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