Like 'have' as in someone is giving it too me? Or 'have' as in spend my hard earned money on? If we are living in a fantasy world where people are giving me motorcycles - I'll take a Tuono that somehow magically has Japanese reliability, thanks. If I have to buy it, none of the above, all of them are too expensive and generally just too much bike for my needs.
I have ridden the RR for almost two years now and am now 110% thrilled. - Super engine - Super chassis - perfect seating position for me (176 cm) - absolutely sufficient power & torque - ingenious unique design - exemplary operation/intuitive settings + I like the insane Triumph triple sound. But what I had to change/adapt resp. wanted to change: - Mirrors are now on the handlebars like on the RS, with the original RR mirrors I only saw myself more than 75% of the time! - The original exhaust was too long for me; I mounted short SC-Project => The sound is now even sportier: wow wow wow! - Switched from the Pirelli Super Corsa SP3 to the Continental Sport Attack 4 (due to greater tread depth & softer rubber compound) -> more reserve in the rain & less crass/hard, suits me better! Adjustment to the seat geometry: - Front fork legs pushed down 5 mm - Rear preload reduced by 3 mm => Now it also fits perfectly for use on country roads Recalls; all WITHOUT costs: - Cockpit fairing (small plastic part) melted; was replaced; now this is apparently solved - Blipper was replaced; for whatever reason, I had no problems with it - SW upgrade so that the radiator fan now runs earlier + longer. The rest was right out of the box. EVERYTHING WONDERFUL! I will probably want to ride this uniquely beautiful and high quality motorbike for a very long time.
I own one since April. Bought new and in white. Love it! Had the SFV4 before this bike and didn’t like it. Sold the Ducati after 14 months of continuous new sets of tires (5 rears and 2 fronts for 10k km) and constant petrol station stops. The RR is superb and changed rear sets, chain, and tail tidy. Not sure why Neevsy hates it so much. Personal?? Will do a Sepang ride in September on new tires Pirelli SC of course ❤
Saw one at triumph...love it. Fits in the street, at the track, in the canyons, and at the coffee shop! Classic cafe, hunched over track ergonomics, and torque for the streets!
Pull up to a coffee shop with a MT10 and the new 1200rr and I will guarantee you the MT10 will feel really lonely. The triumph is an absolutely stunning bike to look at.
MCN, thank you for not covering up the sounds of the bikes with a lot of music. You always pick cool tunes, but I love hearing those machines and this was a great balance! Cheers
I agree. I want to hear the bikes. The noises make the experience more real when watching the video. To be able to hear everything, engine, gear change, even sometimes the brakes when braking hard :-)
I have an older speed triple and I think the ergos are perfect... but the 1200RR just looks so great! They really knocked styling out of the park on it, IMO.
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Thank you for the honest thoughts. As an ex Australian Superbike racer from the 90’s, where you could buy a quicker, less race focused bike (for me it was the original Fireblade) you could have fun on track with a race spec 4 cylinder 750 Japanese bike or a L twin 916 Ducati from Italy. Looking back, that was when WSB was arguably at its peak. Lap times today, although quicker, aren’t miles different today. My old home race track being Phillip Island is in much better condition today and just taking tyre technology and track surface into the equation makes them even closer. Today 200+ bhp is way too much for the roads as you just can’t get close to exploring these numbers safely and keep your license in the process. 👍😎🇦🇺
I’ve been around Phillip Island as well on a S1000RR, I always thought having that much power was great for Phillip Island which is a very fast track. Bikes like the S1000RR are great for track days which you can also ride on the road. Same with the Triumph, although the bars are too low for me. Had a sit on one the other day.
@@gm16v149 Their is a reason why the top teams utilise PI during pre-season testing as it has a blend of all the top circuits in one. Some very fast corners and two at the other end. What’s you PB around the Island track? It has always had a number which signifies overall abilities regardless of bike. Although the new litre bikes do make that magic number a bit easier to break.
@@marcusgeorge1825 Personal best? They won’t give it to you, at least not in the group I go in. I only go in the white group with my Z900RS which although a great road bike is hardly a track bike. I always ride one one of their S1000RRs for the last couple of sessions though. I think the Triumph would be a great PI track bike/road bike, but the bars are too low for me, sat on one at Peter Stevens,
@@gm16v149 Yep. Couldn’t agree for about the Triumph as what Was said was spot on. If the clip ons were about 4-5 centimetres higher it would’ve an even better road bike as you don’t need to be “nose heavy” in a racing position. I haven’t test ridden one yet myself, however, like you I’ve sat on one at the same dealership. Peter Stevens Snr actually part sponsored me when I was racing and provided me with all my gear at cost price. One of my employees has his first ever track day next week. So apart from giving him some tips for each corner I simply said to just have fun as these opportunities (regardless of your abilities will make you a better and safer rider on the streets. Even when I was racing I never went past 60% of my own abilities on the road as you never know what’s around the next corner. I might even do my very first track day at PI.
Spot on Marcus. I had an RRT Tiger eye 'blade and it was fabulous with more than enough power for the road but a little characterless. I then bought an Aprilia RSV Mille and raced that at the IoM. It was for me THE iconic vee twin superbike of the late 90's and early 2000's beating Ducati at their own game and was a far better road bike than the 998 of the day which I also rode at the IoM. Since then I only road ride and now am the proud owner of a low miles Aprilia gen1 RSVR. It is still a real weapon on the roads without having too much power. No fly by wire, no fancy electronic suspension. Just brute grunt with a direct cable operated throttle linking those big inlets direct to an icredibly charismatic and bomb proof rorty vee twin. Comfy too as long as a peg lowering kit is fitted.
@@Igris.SRtaco what you gain on the straights with the H2 you loose on the corners to the Tuono. Both are great road bikes but the Tuono pips it for me as it's lighter and that exhaust note is to die for.
@@DukeOfTwist the tuono is hands down the best balance for road,huge torrque,more than enough hp,sporty enough with the best entry and exit cornering speeds out of all nakeds/sport tourers out there and more comfortable that any other superbike
its a matter of ergonomics,suspension and combatibility with your body,it will always be,i think the v4 checks the most boxes,but there is no wrong choice,unless the triumph engine blows up after 5 years like they used to
Catastrophic blunder from Triumph- not initially swapping the suspension between those RR/RS models. Remembering the unveiling “our customers demanded this and that”. Wrong, from the start. Keep going Neevesy, always excellent!
Nize review as always! I would opt for a Speed triple RS and change the springs in the forks. Pretty easy operation and you can change the oil as well to suit your weight. BUT I love the low weight of my Street triple RS and 765cc is more than adequate on the road and easily keeps up with 1000cc bikes on my local technical track. Been using Japanese bikes for 30 years, and really appreciate the swap to Triumph bikes.
I've jumped from a 2017 765RS to a 1200RS and I cant blame you. The Street RS is the perfect bike in my opinion. I think maybe the speed is a little over-cooked with the additional power. The ergonomics are very similar. The extra bits and pieces are nice but ultimately the street is just gorgeous. I need for the weather to improve and to have a bit of a fiddle with the suspension to know for sure which I prefer but I absolutely loved the street.
Agreed, the suspension quality is already there just needs to be dialed in on 1200 RS....if only springs and clickers super easy.. If needs revalve doable but kind of a PITA....especially fir brand new bike BUT would transform that machine......haven't ridden one yet but am considering
@@kirkdunn1379 The forks and springs are both fine. People saying its over sprung are probably either incredibly small/ light or riding on the sportier side of the settings. For me even where its set its actually fine. Firm with a little too much rebound but not over the top ... certainly not as bad as the street rs was when I first got it. Softening it up even a touch will absolutely more than fix it for me. People are exaggerating. Go take it for a test drive. Ask how its currently set up, look in the manual to see how that relates to their recommended comfort setting and if you think its far too firm then consider it. I have seen only one person actually make the effort to replace the springs with this bike on youtube and they went with more tension not less as they were heavy and took pillion passengers on it.
I have this bike, the gsxr-1000 and the Aprilia Tuono V4 factory. I love them all! Each is different and has its pros and cons. I think the Triumph is a great super-cafe racer! It is the modern take on the cafe racers of old...my favorite part is the power delivery. It is super smooth and powerful!
Going back about fifteen years, I recall a chap of about 40 buying a brand new Kawasaki ZX10R, and having a top yoke bar conversion fitted before it had rolled any distance whatsoever. He hadn't wanted to settle for the usual 'retuned for midrange' bollocks that everyone's sick to death of with non full fat options.
Yeah, it's complete fucking bullshit. Plenty of people, myself included, who prefer to have most if not all of the big power near the top of the rev range. Really don't like the idea of fitting high bars on a superbike though.
Great review. I could tell where you where going since I first saw the riding positions... It's like the Thruxton : great to watch, not so great to live with. Keeping my 2009 Triumph Speed Triple as a superb all rounder - only missing ABS as a safety equipment and a fully adjustable Ohlins suspension :)
You're comparos are always exactly what riders need to know to make the right decision for the right bike. You answer questions I didn't even think to ask. Much appreciated all!!!
Is it really so much easier to say comparos rather than comparisons or is it a matter of appearing cool or wicked or sick or whatever the latest moron-word is?
The Speed Triple RR is a very ambitious, brave and incredible motorcycle! It's fun and practical and it's design is quite soothing as well tbh. It's a shame I won't be able to afford, but whoever can, I don't think they should give it any second thoughts.
At 54 I’m still on the hunt for that perfect bike. When I was 30, it was my ‘08 ZX9R. In the last 4 years I’ve owned a Duke 690, Street Triple RS, Scrambler 1200XE, and now a Multistrada 950s. I’m still not really satisfied. When I saw this bike in the showroom I thought I’d found my ride (but for price). Such a beautiful bike. Then I sat on it and thought the same as this reviewer - they blew it with the bars being so low. At full lock it appears the bars could be about 1/2 inch higher, but that’s not enough.
Real shame Triumph didnt mount clip ons above the triple clamp like on the old Sprint RS 955, now Triumph should make higher clip ons and sell them as accessory.
Im a 955i RS owner and even though the bars of my bike are above the triple clamp, the seating position is still not too comfortable, so I heightened the handlebar position twice (both spacers as well as higher Sprint ST clip ons).
looks are always personal. I love the look of the trumpy but agree about the bars. I sat on one at the local dealer. How hard would it be to fit a set of risers on it?
Congrats 👌 I just picked up the red one. What made you choose the new 1200rr? For me it was love at first sight. A bike that doesn't fall into a particular segment, a breath of fresh air. I congratulate Triumph for actually thinking outside the box.
@@Throttletwister1300 I wanted a super bike style bike but not something I’m going to see other people in my area on. Had the single sided swing arm, some carbon fiber, tons of HP and it was the most expensive bike they had.
After a 16 year gap in motorbiking and a recently retired police bike cop (stopped riding police bikes in 1998 when I was promoted but had my own Bandit 600 until 2001) I bought a new Bonneville T120 in 2017. Beautiful bike and I loved it but since then it was joined in the garage by some other bikes - a new S1000RR m package, a Monster 937 plus, a thruxton R and a few more. But at the of end of last year I decided I had outgrown the T120 and it was being outshone by its thruxton R sister bike all the time. So was going to trade it in for a speed triple RR but when I saw the bike in the showroom it just looked too small as its basically a speed triple RS with a fairing at the front. I hate small looking bikes as in my opinion they lack street presence which is how I always viewed the speed triple RS. So I went with a new Ducati Panigale V2 Bayliss edition. OK it too is a small bike but its just that little bigger than the Triumph to keep me happy. Glad I did that now as a lot of the reviews of the Tripple RR have been awful.
Having ridden the speed triple rr it's one of the few bikes I've gotten on and smiled from how much fun it was to ride! Still doesn't knock off my zx10r but great fun none the less!
While I appreciate your stance, I don’t mind the bars. I own a Thruxton RS and the position doesn’t bother me. The RR is a rock star. I’d never buy an Aprilia but I’d buy the RR and never tire of looking at it
KMG wanna have a BLAST? go ride a XSR 900 of ya have not yet done so..... i wanted to hate it because of itd triple engine however i cant make it 3 city blocks without giggling like a giddy child
I’d like to hear about this bike versus Streetfighter V2. Of course V2 is a naked but other than that. I’m kind of stuck on 1200 RR, V2, BMW S1000r coming from a Street triple 765r
Try the Aprilia 1100 Tuono standard version. Higher bars than the factory [more comfort] yet loads cheaper. Cheaper in fact than the V2 Streetfighter. I was in a similar dilemma and went for the Tuono. What a bike. The motor is just incredible.
As someone in love with the street triple, they for me are perfect, they want to be reved, can be reved and have enough more than enoug power for real world. Live long and ride on
Why haven't other manufacturers caught on to Aprilias perfect formula of the Tuonos upright bars a bit of wind protection and amazing performance and technology.
Why do they need to focus on segments?? I went out and purchased the new 1200rr because it's fresh and different. I don't want a cookie cutter superbike or a street fighter with no wind protection.
@@Throttletwister1300 you're quite unique. Glad you found it a great fit for your requirements. Enjoy your new bike! I stand by my point because of the way it is marketed. RR as in race replica, but it came with more compliant and friendly suspension. The speed triple is supposed to be a naked i.e. super bike performance in a day to day comfort package, but came with pretty darn stiff suspension. Just find it a little weird.
@@debrisbit idk if i would call it a "daily comfort bike" haha. that thing is a weapon. it is a sports bike and pretty track ready. the street triple as well. if they put soft suspensions on their "roadster" segment they would be alienating most of their customers that expect that from that range of bikes. if you want total comfort get a tiger or bonnie
That'll be the one to get out if all of them. Yamaha chassis and geometry, electric throttle body, and proven engine. The FZ09 has amazing power for track or streets. All the power of a R6, but much more torque
@@HeyAddieImTojo nothing is perfect man. Plus its Yamaha, the aftermarket is crazy for them. If aftermarket parts can make a FZ07 into a race bike, it can make a possible imperfect R9 better
Currently owning the my second Speed Twin 1200 (totalled the first one^^) and the Speed Triple was abike i would like to own next. Was thinking about the normal 1200 RS but the RR looks just neat. Owning a old 2000 Daytona 955i and loving that big 3 cylinders
Big thanks to Michael for asking my opinion on the RR which was featured in readers rides in the paper edition of this review. Have owned my RR almost 3 months now with no issues but 100% agree that the bars are too low. Amazing bike in all respects but Triumph what were you thinking with those low bars? At 54 i "retired" from superbikes 3 years ago but close my eyes & i feel like I'm on my 07 Blade again! MCN as always the best reviews. Greetings from Melbourne, AU
Heya. 2 questions: 1 - Is it possible to put the bars higher with higher clip-ons? Or it will hit the tank? 2 - Is it more or less comfortable compared to the SuperSport from ducati? (handlebars)
I'm not sure I get the premise of the video. You say that this is supposed to be for people who want something more comfortable than a superbike but I thought the whole point of this bike was to literally make a Speed Triple superbike (retro-styled). As far as I can tell they've absolutely hit the nail on the head; the bike with a bit of an identity crisis is the Speed Triple RS, not the RR.
Great review, but I think the Speed is being mis-placed. I don't think Triumph set out to build a Sports-Tourer, more a 'Cafe-Super!' Looks classy and grown-up, can do track days and can scratch. Not really revolutionary - remember Firestorms and TL1000s? I suspect a more comfort focussed model may come next. But realistically, when most riders are on fast, capable, road-focussed ADVs, how well would a Trumpet ST sell??
Love the Ape, had one but it's riding position and bars don't jive, I find my RSV4 more comfortable, even if it is a dedicated track-bike. Going to get the Speedy RR and see what I think. I do have long arms and find most bikes cramped.
The bars seem to be a common thread on every review I've seen, do you think triumph will take that into account and address that on any future update of this bike?
Try going fast and you'll find it's very naked compared to a sports or faired bike. But not as bad as a full naked bike. They are just horrible at high speeds.
I test rode the RR and it was a lovely lovely thing but you're totally right those bars are just horrible. I knew within 10 minutes that I wouldn't be getting one. How does the bar position on the MV Superveloce compare? That's also on my list of potentials but I'm struggling to get a demo. I've sat on a few and the bar position feels a lot better but you never know until you're on the move
How bout video on mods for making superbikes more comfy....handlebar/rearset combos to adjust ergonomics...... The fairings and screens do help a ton on highways Wonder why manufacturers don't make hybrid bikes.....best of both worlds
I would like a performance, characterful bike which handles well, is fairly comfy. I'm interested in this triumph but the single headlight makes me wonder if it's bright enough at night time. The Ducati Diavel looks interesting, but not ridden one.
I don't really get what Triumph where going for here. Surly it would of made more sence to just unleash a fully faired speed triple powered Daytona? I think it would have more appeal than an overpowered retro cafe racer...
As he said superbikes are on the way out. A daytona with that motor would be considered one people are going for this type. Now if they made both that would be awesome
Great review, all nice bikes but for me no pillion worth talking about. Thats why I sold my speed triple. And bought a multi 1200 few years back does everything, not pretty as these but. They are so much money and single purpose. Shame Triumph don't make a bike like zx 1000 with that lovely triple would be great all rounder .
You can't have a Speed Triple without the twin head lights :) I'm not sure what they were thinking of with the bar height, it seems when you are making such a bike, by definition it shouldn't have the riding position of an all out sports bike.
do you think that Triumph Speed Trip1200RR is direct rival to Ducati Panigale V2 in terms of road manners. Please make a comparison video if you think so.
Very odd, your shifting is amazing, I never saw you pull the clutch or twist the throttle and yet you made it through all the gears with pure smoothness. I need to learn that.
I did a 4hr road trip on my RR only stopping for fuel and not once did my wrist get sore or start to hurt . I don't know , maybe this guy needs to get back in the gym
How do all these bikes compare to a Honda blackbird which is 25 years old? (In reference to riding experience, not toys gadgets bells and whistles!) Please find a way to justify for me why I should buy any of them.
So if the next RR has a more road friendly sitting position, slightly bigger fuel tank, more professionally design instruments layout, it'll be a perfect bike.
No superbikes sales are down because they are more catered to tall riders nowdays compared to superbikes of the 80's and 90's that had lower seat heights
Looks like it needs a set of helie bars. I added them to my Daytona... 0 degree clip-on would do wonders for that bike. I can ride it all day long giving up small amount of performance.
i know without askin yall have seen thr XSR900 Yamaha... is it not fast enough to run with this triple? i really like mine but im easy to please im not racing just ridin wheelies to the corner store lol
Traditionally British moto journalists were mostly biased about UK manufactured bikes/cars. But hats off to Neeves for not spreading the poison and speaking the truth. Keep up the good work.
Sadly I don’t agree with this assessment… I’ve owned an Aprilia RSV4 Tuono Factory and I got fed up with it and sold it to buy another GSXR.. the continuous wind blast on that bike totally destroys the enjoyment of going quick…. and it drank fuel like a fish…
This is the one thing I find annoying on street bikes, coming from dirt the wind blasts are brutal on freeways and near semi trucks......one reason i looking at comfy sport bikes..... Hard to believe GSXR 1000 is still relevant after all this time
Why Triumph don’t just offer an addon bar riser kit I don’t know. I seems that for a small extra price it would solve a lot of this bike’s issues. Any aftermarket bike part company listening, take note!
Its weird the speed triple has such low clip ons, considering its supposed to be the street-fighter upright version of the big Daytona (traditionally) Have a 98 Daytona 955 and the riding position is hillariously low, how does anyone go anywhere on that!
i disagree with you about the best superbike for the road. The best is the s1000rr cruise control heated grips navigation blipper honestly love riding it everywhere
Raise the bars, taller screen, and aftermarket map to get rid of the very intrusive emissions restrictions and it's a home run. An extra $1300 to do that though. Or just put the goddamn semi active suspension on the rs already
Bikes around the 18k mark are for rich old blokes who are keen braggers. This bike is hardly worth bragging about to be honest and a real world example of jack of all trades but master of none at all.. We asked for a Daytona and they give us a neo-retro slow sports bike.
Which bike would you have out of the three?
Aprilia, triumphs are cra9.
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Like 'have' as in someone is giving it too me? Or 'have' as in spend my hard earned money on? If we are living in a fantasy world where people are giving me motorcycles - I'll take a Tuono that somehow magically has Japanese reliability, thanks. If I have to buy it, none of the above, all of them are too expensive and generally just too much bike for my needs.
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I have ridden the RR for almost two years now and am now 110% thrilled.
- Super engine
- Super chassis
- perfect seating position for me (176 cm)
- absolutely sufficient power & torque
- ingenious unique design
- exemplary operation/intuitive settings
+ I like the insane Triumph triple sound.
But what I had to change/adapt resp. wanted to change:
- Mirrors are now on the handlebars like on the RS, with the original RR mirrors I only saw myself more than 75% of the time!
- The original exhaust was too long for me; I mounted short SC-Project => The sound is now even sportier: wow wow wow!
- Switched from the Pirelli Super Corsa SP3 to the Continental Sport Attack 4 (due to greater tread depth & softer rubber compound) -> more reserve in the rain & less crass/hard, suits me better!
Adjustment to the seat geometry:
- Front fork legs pushed down 5 mm
- Rear preload reduced by 3 mm
=> Now it also fits perfectly for use on country roads
Recalls; all WITHOUT costs:
- Cockpit fairing (small plastic part) melted; was replaced; now this is apparently solved
- Blipper was replaced; for whatever reason, I had no problems with it
- SW upgrade so that the radiator fan now runs earlier + longer.
The rest was right out of the box. EVERYTHING WONDERFUL!
I will probably want to ride this uniquely beautiful and high quality motorbike for a very long time.
Thanks for this. Very useful intel as likely about to pull the trigger on one myself. 176cm too. 👍🏼
Great info, how did you lower the forks 5mm?
I own one since April. Bought new and in white. Love it! Had the SFV4 before this bike and didn’t like it. Sold the Ducati after 14 months of continuous new sets of tires (5 rears and 2 fronts for 10k km) and constant petrol station stops. The RR is superb and changed rear sets, chain, and tail tidy. Not sure why Neevsy hates it so much. Personal?? Will do a Sepang ride in September on new tires Pirelli SC of course ❤
Saw one at triumph...love it. Fits in the street, at the track, in the canyons, and at the coffee shop! Classic cafe, hunched over track ergonomics, and torque for the streets!
Shame about the price tag when the equally good MT10 costs £4K less😉
Pull up to a coffee shop with a MT10 and the new 1200rr and I will guarantee you the MT10 will feel really lonely. The triumph is an absolutely stunning bike to look at.
That Triumph looks like gentleman's racer. I'm a superbike guy, but that retro look won my heart over the two of the rest.
R nineT racer could be for you🔥
@officialryanelliott thanks for that
MCN, thank you for not covering up the sounds of the bikes with a lot of music. You always pick cool tunes, but I love hearing those machines and this was a great balance! Cheers
I agree. I want to hear the bikes. The noises make the experience more real when watching the video. To be able to hear everything, engine, gear change, even sometimes the brakes when braking hard :-)
As always, a great and honest review. Keep up the great work Neevesy!
Well said. Triumph needs to either bring the electronics suspension to the speed triple RS or higher handlebars to the speed triple RR.
Maybe offer it in that red too instead of just the boring black and silver.
You could probably order everything you need to swap in those higher bars from the Triumph parts catalog if money is no object
@@luisdetomaso867 I would imagine if you are going to remove the "clip-ons" it's going to bump into the fairing.
I have an older speed triple and I think the ergos are perfect... but the 1200RR just looks so great! They really knocked styling out of the park on it, IMO.
Every rich Art Gallery owner should have one!
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Thank you for the honest thoughts. As an ex Australian Superbike racer from the 90’s, where you could buy a quicker, less race focused bike (for me it was the original Fireblade) you could have fun on track with a race spec 4 cylinder 750 Japanese bike or a L twin 916 Ducati from Italy. Looking back, that was when WSB was arguably at its peak. Lap times today, although quicker, aren’t miles different today. My old home race track being Phillip Island is in much better condition today and just taking tyre technology and track surface into the equation makes them even closer. Today 200+ bhp is way too much for the roads as you just can’t get close to exploring these numbers safely and keep your license in the process. 👍😎🇦🇺
I’ve been around Phillip Island as well on a S1000RR, I always thought having that much power was great for Phillip Island which is a very fast track. Bikes like the S1000RR are great for track days which you can also ride on the road. Same with the Triumph, although the bars are too low for me. Had a sit on one the other day.
@@gm16v149 Their is a reason why the top teams utilise PI during pre-season testing as it has a blend of all the top circuits in one. Some very fast corners and two at the other end. What’s you PB around the Island track? It has always had a number which signifies overall abilities regardless of bike. Although the new litre bikes do make that magic number a bit easier to break.
@@marcusgeorge1825 Personal best? They won’t give it to you, at least not in the group I go in. I only go in the white group with my Z900RS which although a great road bike is hardly a track bike. I always ride one one of their S1000RRs for the last couple of sessions though. I think the Triumph would be a great PI track bike/road bike, but the bars are too low for me, sat on one at Peter Stevens,
@@gm16v149 Yep. Couldn’t agree for about the Triumph as what Was said was spot on. If the clip ons were about 4-5 centimetres higher it would’ve an even better road bike as you don’t need to be “nose heavy” in a racing position. I haven’t test ridden one yet myself, however, like you I’ve sat on one at the same dealership. Peter Stevens Snr actually part sponsored me when I was racing and provided me with all my gear at cost price. One of my employees has his first ever track day next week. So apart from giving him some tips for each corner I simply said to just have fun as these opportunities (regardless of your abilities will make you a better and safer rider on the streets. Even when I was racing I never went past 60% of my own abilities on the road as you never know what’s around the next corner. I might even do my very first track day at PI.
Spot on Marcus. I had an RRT Tiger eye 'blade and it was fabulous with more than enough power for the road but a little characterless. I then bought an Aprilia RSV Mille and raced that at the IoM. It was for me THE iconic vee twin superbike of the late 90's and early 2000's beating Ducati at their own game and was a far better road bike than the 998 of the day which I also rode at the IoM.
Since then I only road ride and now am the proud owner of a low miles Aprilia gen1 RSVR. It is still a real weapon on the roads without having too much power. No fly by wire, no fancy electronic suspension. Just brute grunt with a direct cable operated throttle linking those big inlets direct to an icredibly charismatic and bomb proof rorty vee twin. Comfy too as long as a peg lowering kit is fitted.
Sold my Tuono to get the Z H2 which I love.. But the Tuono is still king. Great review as always.
Sold my Tuono to get a Superduke GT. After a year, ended up buying another, to keep the GT company. I love them!
What do the two feel like? The h2 has to be faster? But probably more chill in the twisties
@@Igris.SRtaco what you gain on the straights with the H2 you loose on the corners to the Tuono. Both are great road bikes but the Tuono pips it for me as it's lighter and that exhaust note is to die for.
I rode a ZH2 in one of my video's its a gigglefest but I bought the Tuono base model.
@@DukeOfTwist the tuono is hands down the best balance for road,huge torrque,more than enough hp,sporty enough with the best entry and exit cornering speeds out of all nakeds/sport tourers out there and more comfortable that any other superbike
At this level it's not a matter of HP or top speed. It's how the bike makes you feel.
its a matter of ergonomics,suspension and combatibility with your body,it will always be,i think the v4 checks the most boxes,but there is no wrong choice,unless the triumph engine blows up after 5 years like they used to
@@bionickchief My Triumph is 8 years old so I must be on borrowed time lol.
aprillia isnt known for their longevity and problem free bikes tbh. but you are right, they are both amazing
bikes.@@bionickchief
Totally agree, I have the RR at the moment and the bars are brutal. Thank good for the cruise control to ease the pain
Still got my old 955 daytona centenary what a weapon! You dont need all the modern traction crap etc all you need is a throttle long live the triples!
Catastrophic blunder from Triumph- not initially swapping the suspension between those RR/RS models. Remembering the unveiling “our customers demanded this and that”. Wrong, from the start. Keep going Neevesy, always excellent!
Every bike needs the dynamic Ohlins. They are fantastic!
I really appreciate your honest and frank review. Its pretty obvious looking at the bars what you are describing. This seems to be a niche bike.
Nize review as always!
I would opt for a Speed triple RS and change the springs in the forks. Pretty easy operation and you can change the oil as well to suit your weight. BUT I love the low weight of my Street triple RS and 765cc is more than adequate on the road and easily keeps up with 1000cc bikes on my local technical track. Been using Japanese bikes for 30 years, and really appreciate the swap to Triumph bikes.
I've jumped from a 2017 765RS to a 1200RS and I cant blame you. The Street RS is the perfect bike in my opinion. I think maybe the speed is a little over-cooked with the additional power.
The ergonomics are very similar. The extra bits and pieces are nice but ultimately the street is just gorgeous. I need for the weather to improve and to have a bit of a fiddle with the suspension to know for sure which I prefer but I absolutely loved the street.
Agreed, the suspension quality is already there just needs to be dialed in on 1200 RS....if only springs and clickers super easy..
If needs revalve doable but kind of a PITA....especially fir brand new bike
BUT would transform that machine......haven't ridden one yet but am considering
@@kirkdunn1379 The forks and springs are both fine. People saying its over sprung are probably either incredibly small/ light or riding on the sportier side of the settings.
For me even where its set its actually fine. Firm with a little too much rebound but not over the top ... certainly not as bad as the street rs was when I first got it.
Softening it up even a touch will absolutely more than fix it for me. People are exaggerating. Go take it for a test drive. Ask how its currently set up, look in the manual to see how that relates to their recommended comfort setting and if you think its far too firm then consider it.
I have seen only one person actually make the effort to replace the springs with this bike on youtube and they went with more tension not less as they were heavy and took pillion passengers on it.
I have this bike, the gsxr-1000 and the Aprilia Tuono V4 factory. I love them all! Each is different and has its pros and cons. I think the Triumph is a great super-cafe racer! It is the modern take on the cafe racers of old...my favorite part is the power delivery. It is super smooth and powerful!
Going back about fifteen years, I recall a chap of about 40 buying a brand new Kawasaki ZX10R, and having a top yoke bar conversion fitted before it had rolled any distance whatsoever. He hadn't wanted to settle for the usual 'retuned for midrange' bollocks that everyone's sick to death of with non full fat options.
Yeah, it's complete fucking bullshit. Plenty of people, myself included, who prefer to have most if not all of the big power near the top of the rev range. Really don't like the idea of fitting high bars on a superbike though.
You won’t be able to with that fairing.
Great review. I could tell where you where going since I first saw the riding positions... It's like the Thruxton : great to watch, not so great to live with. Keeping my 2009 Triumph Speed Triple as a superb all rounder - only missing ABS as a safety equipment and a fully adjustable Ohlins suspension :)
You're comparos are always exactly what riders need to know to make the right decision for the right bike. You answer questions I didn't even think to ask. Much appreciated all!!!
Is it really so much easier to say comparos rather than comparisons or is it a matter of appearing cool or wicked or sick or whatever the latest moron-word is?
The Trumpet is gorgeous. You could always buy some raised clip on’s
The Speed Triple RR is a very ambitious, brave and incredible motorcycle! It's fun and practical and it's design is quite soothing as well tbh. It's a shame I won't be able to afford, but whoever can, I don't think they should give it any second thoughts.
At 54 I’m still on the hunt for that perfect bike. When I was 30, it was my ‘08 ZX9R. In the last 4 years I’ve owned a Duke 690, Street Triple RS, Scrambler 1200XE, and now a Multistrada 950s. I’m still not really satisfied. When I saw this bike in the showroom I thought I’d found my ride (but for price). Such a beautiful bike. Then I sat on it and thought the same as this reviewer - they blew it with the bars being so low. At full lock it appears the bars could be about 1/2 inch higher, but that’s not enough.
This is the best looking bike in the Triumph line. A modern classic in the making. I think they nailed the design.
Real shame Triumph didnt mount clip ons above the triple clamp like on the old Sprint RS 955, now Triumph should make higher clip ons and sell them as accessory.
Im a 955i RS owner and even though the bars of my bike are above the triple clamp, the seating position is still not too comfortable, so I heightened the handlebar position twice (both spacers as well as higher Sprint ST clip ons).
It's a high quality 'expensive' toy...and it completely looks the part.
The aesthetic and build quality are outstanding...love it.
looks are always personal. I love the look of the trumpy but agree about the bars. I sat on one at the local dealer.
How hard would it be to fit a set of risers on it?
Picked up one in white a couple weeks ago, loving it
Congrats 👌 I just picked up the red one. What made you choose the new 1200rr? For me it was love at first sight. A bike that doesn't fall into a particular segment, a breath of fresh air. I congratulate Triumph for actually thinking outside the box.
@@Throttletwister1300 I wanted a super bike style bike but not something I’m going to see other people in my area on. Had the single sided swing arm, some carbon fiber, tons of HP and it was the most expensive bike they had.
After a 16 year gap in motorbiking and a recently retired police bike cop (stopped riding police bikes in 1998 when I was promoted but had my own Bandit 600 until 2001) I bought a new Bonneville T120 in 2017. Beautiful bike and I loved it but since then it was joined in the garage by some other bikes - a new S1000RR m package, a Monster 937 plus, a thruxton R and a few more. But at the of end of last year I decided I had outgrown the T120 and it was being outshone by its thruxton R sister bike all the time. So was going to trade it in for a speed triple RR but when I saw the bike in the showroom it just looked too small as its basically a speed triple RS with a fairing at the front. I hate small looking bikes as in my opinion they lack street presence which is how I always viewed the speed triple RS. So I went with a new Ducati Panigale V2 Bayliss edition. OK it too is a small bike but its just that little bigger than the Triumph to keep me happy. Glad I did that now as a lot of the reviews of the Tripple RR have been awful.
First 10sec of the vid: All the bikes are passing by - the V4-sound is just there...
Having ridden the speed triple rr it's one of the few bikes I've gotten on and smiled from how much fun it was to ride! Still doesn't knock off my zx10r but great fun none the less!
the tuono will
This triumph is a Beauty!
While I appreciate your stance, I don’t mind the bars. I own a Thruxton RS and the position doesn’t bother me. The RR is a rock star. I’d never buy an Aprilia but I’d buy the RR and never tire of looking at it
Again brilliant comparison. I just turned 50 and am seeking a comfortable superbike...
KMG wanna have a BLAST? go ride a XSR 900 of ya have not yet done so..... i wanted to hate it because of itd triple engine however i cant make it 3 city blocks without giggling like a giddy child
I’d like to hear about this bike versus Streetfighter V2. Of course V2 is a naked but other than that. I’m kind of stuck on 1200 RR, V2, BMW S1000r coming from a Street triple 765r
Try the Aprilia 1100 Tuono standard version. Higher bars than the factory [more comfort] yet loads cheaper. Cheaper in fact than the V2 Streetfighter. I was in a similar dilemma and went for the Tuono. What a bike. The motor is just incredible.
@@fyorbane Thanks for advice!
As someone in love with the street triple, they for me are perfect, they want to be reved, can be reved and have enough more than enoug power for real world. Live long and ride on
I ended up with Tuono Factory - could not be happier
Fair assessment. Great video!
Why haven't other manufacturers caught on to Aprilias perfect formula of the Tuonos upright bars a bit of wind protection and amazing performance and technology.
Sssh don't tell em, I bought the '21 Base model its a sleeper in Tarmac Grey.
Maybe the aftermarket companies can sell rr owners top mount bar adaptors to raise the bars 1,1/2 inch
Great analysis.
I agree that they need to focus the bikes more on their segments. Road biased Speed Triple and track bias RR model.
Why do they need to focus on segments?? I went out and purchased the new 1200rr because it's fresh and different. I don't want a cookie cutter superbike or a street fighter with no wind protection.
@@Throttletwister1300 you're quite unique. Glad you found it a great fit for your requirements. Enjoy your new bike!
I stand by my point because of the way it is marketed. RR as in race replica, but it came with more compliant and friendly suspension. The speed triple is supposed to be a naked i.e. super bike performance in a day to day comfort package, but came with pretty darn stiff suspension.
Just find it a little weird.
@@debrisbit idk if i would call it a "daily comfort bike" haha. that thing is a weapon. it is a sports bike and pretty track ready. the street triple as well. if they put soft suspensions on their "roadster" segment they would be alienating most of their customers that expect that from that range of bikes. if you want total comfort get a tiger or bonnie
Tuono sounds too good. Gixxer thou' too fast. Triple RR too expensive. Still waiting on Yamaha to drop the R9.
That'll be the one to get out if all of them. Yamaha chassis and geometry, electric throttle body, and proven engine. The FZ09 has amazing power for track or streets. All the power of a R6, but much more torque
Boyyy may God listen to your prayers
They’ll somehow manage to screw it up anyway
@@HeyAddieImTojo nothing is perfect man. Plus its Yamaha, the aftermarket is crazy for them. If aftermarket parts can make a FZ07 into a race bike, it can make a possible imperfect R9 better
Been saying for ages they’d be crazy not too.
Great honest review
Currently owning the my second Speed Twin 1200 (totalled the first one^^) and the Speed Triple was abike i would like to own next. Was thinking about the normal 1200 RS but the RR looks just neat.
Owning a old 2000 Daytona 955i and loving that big 3 cylinders
Suzuki need to update their lcd dash to tft display and redesign their exhaust end can it ruins the overall design
Casio display is now something unique in the class. Pipe looks terrible on purpose, replace, flash ecu and enjoy.
Big thanks to Michael for asking my opinion on the RR which was featured in readers rides in the paper edition of this review. Have owned my RR almost 3 months now with no issues but 100% agree that the bars are too low. Amazing bike in all respects but Triumph what were you thinking with those low bars? At 54 i "retired" from superbikes 3 years ago but close my eyes & i feel like I'm on my 07 Blade again! MCN as always the best reviews. Greetings from Melbourne, AU
Heya. 2 questions:
1 - Is it possible to put the bars higher with higher clip-ons? Or it will hit the tank?
2 - Is it more or less comfortable compared to the SuperSport from ducati? (handlebars)
ducati will be more comfortable but there are aftermarket clip on raisers that offer a more touring position
Curious to know what the tank cover thingy is on the bike? Great video by the way :)
I'm not sure I get the premise of the video. You say that this is supposed to be for people who want something more comfortable than a superbike but I thought the whole point of this bike was to literally make a Speed Triple superbike (retro-styled). As far as I can tell they've absolutely hit the nail on the head; the bike with a bit of an identity crisis is the Speed Triple RS, not the RR.
Excellent review man.
Much respect & thumbs up!
Great review, but I think the Speed is being mis-placed. I don't think Triumph set out to build a Sports-Tourer, more a 'Cafe-Super!' Looks classy and grown-up, can do track days and can scratch. Not really revolutionary - remember Firestorms and TL1000s? I suspect a more comfort focussed model may come next. But realistically, when most riders are on fast, capable, road-focussed ADVs, how well would a Trumpet ST sell??
How are we not calling 180 horsepowers a super bike anymore?
Love the Ape, had one but it's riding position and bars don't jive, I find my RSV4 more comfortable, even if it is a dedicated track-bike. Going to get the Speedy RR and see what I think. I do have long arms and find most bikes cramped.
What would happen if you drop down the yokes for enough room to fit the clip-ons on top I wonder?
I'd never own a triumph being a die hard Kawasaki fan, but my god do those 3 cynlinders sound fantastic🔥
The new 1160 Speed engine is a peach👌
Nevsie, what do you choose as a daily street bike??
What do you ride??
Could you not put the clipons above the top yoke or would the hit the fairing, might just be enough to improve the comfort?
The bars seem to be a common thread on every review I've seen, do you think triumph will take that into account and address that on any future update of this bike?
I like the bike, but how naked is the Tuono really?
Try going fast and you'll find it's very naked compared to a sports or faired bike. But not as bad as a full naked bike. They are just horrible at high speeds.
@@wradford1 Base model isn't
I might be biased but I'd take the Triumph over the other two, although that aprilia is sexy as hell aswell 👌
one is beautiful to look at and it isn't the suzi or aprillia
I test rode the RR and it was a lovely lovely thing but you're totally right those bars are just horrible. I knew within 10 minutes that I wouldn't be getting one.
How does the bar position on the MV Superveloce compare? That's also on my list of potentials but I'm struggling to get a demo. I've sat on a few and the bar position feels a lot better but you never know until you're on the move
Mv Agusta Superveloce vibes on that front end of the Triumph.
How bout video on mods for making superbikes more comfy....handlebar/rearset combos to adjust ergonomics......
The fairings and screens do help a ton on highways
Wonder why manufacturers don't make hybrid bikes.....best of both worlds
MT-10 is close enough without the country club price.
Absolutely agree. The sound it makes is incredible and you'll have an extra few thousand left for new gear, track days, holiday etc.
Amen.
GSX1000GT or Kawi 1000SX ? If you can find em which I could not
At least it's looks retro&cool🤘🤘🤘
I would like a performance, characterful bike which handles well, is fairly comfy. I'm interested in this triumph but the single headlight makes me wonder if it's bright enough at night time.
The Ducati Diavel looks interesting, but not ridden one.
Damn. I love that Truimph!
I don't really get what Triumph where going for here. Surly it would of made more sence to just unleash a fully faired speed triple powered Daytona? I think it would have more appeal than an overpowered retro cafe racer...
As he said superbikes are on the way out. A daytona with that motor would be considered one people are going for this type. Now if they made both that would be awesome
Great review, all nice bikes but for me no pillion worth talking about. Thats why I sold my speed triple. And bought a multi 1200 few years back does everything, not pretty as these but. They are so much money and single purpose. Shame Triumph don't make a bike like zx 1000 with that lovely triple would be great all rounder .
You can't have a Speed Triple without the twin head lights :) I'm not sure what they were thinking of with the bar height, it seems when you are making such a bike, by definition it shouldn't have the riding position of an all out sports bike.
do you think that Triumph Speed Trip1200RR is direct rival to Ducati Panigale V2 in terms of road manners. Please make a comparison video if you think so.
Very odd, your shifting is amazing, I never saw you pull the clutch or twist the throttle and yet you made it through all the gears with pure smoothness. I need to learn that.
Its got a quick shifter lol
I did a 4hr road trip on my RR only stopping for fuel and not once did my wrist get sore or start to hurt . I don't know , maybe this guy needs to get back in the gym
How tall are you?
If you lower the triple tree you can put the clip ons on top of it. That should give you about an inch.
How do all these bikes compare to a Honda blackbird which is 25 years old?
(In reference to riding experience, not toys gadgets bells and whistles!)
Please find a way to justify for me why I should buy any of them.
So if the next RR has a more road friendly sitting position, slightly bigger fuel tank, more professionally design instruments layout, it'll be a perfect bike.
No superbikes sales are down because they are more catered to tall riders nowdays compared to superbikes of the 80's and 90's that had lower seat heights
Looks like it needs a set of helie bars. I added them to my Daytona... 0 degree clip-on would do wonders for that bike. I can ride it all day long giving up small amount of performance.
Triumph got either suspensions or the bar positions mixed up on their big triples.
i know without askin yall have seen thr XSR900 Yamaha... is it not fast enough to run with this triple? i really like mine but im easy to please im not racing just ridin wheelies to the corner store lol
Traditionally British moto journalists were mostly biased about UK manufactured bikes/cars.
But hats off to Neeves for not spreading the poison and speaking the truth.
Keep up the good work.
The Triumph is a beauty to behold though
I bought an rr because it’s a super sport for tall people.
Sadly I don’t agree with this assessment… I’ve owned an Aprilia RSV4 Tuono Factory and I got fed up with it and sold it to buy another GSXR.. the continuous wind blast on that bike totally destroys the enjoyment of going quick…. and it drank fuel like a fish…
This is the one thing I find annoying on street bikes, coming from dirt the wind blasts are brutal on freeways and near semi trucks......one reason i looking at comfy sport bikes.....
Hard to believe GSXR 1000 is still relevant after all this time
Muy buen video amigos
Why Triumph don’t just offer an addon bar riser kit I don’t know. I seems that for a small extra price it would solve a lot of this bike’s issues. Any aftermarket bike part company listening, take note!
I want a proper supersport Triumph back and I dont mean a naked with fairings :P
Where does the vrf 1200 fit in 😇
in my opinion the handlebars of st rr could be a bit higher like ducati supersport 950s
Its weird the speed triple has such low clip ons, considering its supposed to be the street-fighter upright version of the big Daytona (traditionally) Have a 98 Daytona 955 and the riding position is hillariously low, how does anyone go anywhere on that!
Phew, glad you said that about the bars… was worried I'm turning into an old whingebag
i disagree with you about the best superbike for the road. The best is the s1000rr cruise control heated grips navigation blipper honestly love riding it everywhere
When you buy it maybe change the handlebar to a more comfortable one and it would be faultless.
Just buy an rs. There is nothing uncomfortable about that bike
Raise the bars, taller screen, and aftermarket map to get rid of the very intrusive emissions restrictions and it's a home run. An extra $1300 to do that though.
Or just put the goddamn semi active suspension on the rs already
Bikes around the 18k mark are for rich old blokes who are keen braggers. This bike is hardly worth bragging about to be honest and a real world example of jack of all trades but master of none at all.. We asked for a Daytona and they give us a neo-retro slow sports bike.
You do realise no one buys sportsbikes anymore?
Which is why you didn't get a daytona.
Over 170 horsepower is slow apparently. I like supersports too but theyre not very interesting
@@MLDRBRY lmao
150hp+ is slow? what do you ride then?
You can get that gixxer 1000 for 12k if the rr is too slow for u lol
In my opinion you should pick a Suzuki Katana 1000 for this test instead of a GSX-R 😎👍🏻