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Ok A dynamic deflection in the system causing is causing valve bounce, and while tighter springs are a way to overcome this issue (damage from the loss of contact is worse than the extra wear from bigger springs), its not correcting the cause of issue.... So yes the lifters do over adjust and hold the valves open when they bounce! so its a real thing that happens but "lifter pump-up" referred to an early debunked theory of other causes, not what I meant! I used an incorrect term.....
...You can shim the springs so they are about to bind at full lift as well.....
Fail points, corrections, everything but the AMC farmed IH specific I-6, the amc 401 when they ran out of 392s in 75, nor the nissan turbo diesel...
56to 86 IH gas truck engines SV152 SV196 SV266 SV304 SV345 SV392
#ih #international #345 #304 #392 #266 #152 # 196 #scout
ahhhhhh oops half a 304 is a 152 duh!!!!!!!!!!!!
anywho, you need to know this if you own one, if your rebuilding I give some things I should have included in the rebuild series.... But here you will know all you need that makes these different and the numbers to blueprint one if your already an experienced builder of the big4 or punch it in a fake dyno program....... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Ok A dynamic deflection in the system causing is causing valve bounce, and while tighter springs are a way to overcome this issue (damage from the loss of contact is worse than the extra wear from bigger springs), its not correcting the cause of issue.... So yes the lifters do over adjust and hold the valves open when they bounce! so its a real thing that happens but "lifter pump-up" referred to an early debunked theory of other causes, not what I meant! I used an incorrect term.....
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The chick got you huh..... 😂😂😂
if thats what it takes to get you to learn, lmao we might be on to something here, lets do a patrion and when we get the funds i will hire two strippers to do the work while i flim and instruct lmao
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER first time finding your channel. My dad grew up on a farm, wouldn't have any tractor if it wasn't red. Only knew a little 'bout the trucks. The last few years I started sharing with him everything I could read about the Diamond engines, green, silver, blue,red, & that goes way, way back, gosh there were some small ones in the beginning. He knew a little more about the v8s. I've seen guys on tv say, back when International built pickup trucks, you knew that was a TRUCK. Early 80s when I was a kid, he had an International pickup truck, don't know the year, but probably '60s, maybe early 70s. Don't remember if he said 304 or 345. What he did love retelling about that truck was there was an option for dual batteries. On a gas engine. Didn't have it, but there was room for it, he bought the parts and cables needed and put in the 2nd battery same as if it came new that way. Brutal & long Nebraska winters back then (b. 1974, I remember), he had a guy at work ask for a jump. My dad told him,no problem,we'll get it started. The guy said, you're pretty confident. When he popped the hood the other guy said "oh, this thing has 2 batteries?" (On a gas light duty truck) my dad, r.i.p. ,loved telling that story 🙂 I look forward to learning all I can about these engines from you by watching your channel. Like I said, in many ways came from an IH family, but up til now, I know little about the IH gas engines. Not anymore, 👍
You 4 got to mention the valves are very dangerous. Sodium filled. Which really worked good back in the day. P.s. my father was a IH mechanic. He bought a 75 scout new with 304. I watched the odometer roll 3 times around and never had the valve cover off of it. Sold it in 94, guy totally restored it. Hi from canada Ontario.
Back in the early 80s I had a scout with a 345. My first 4x4. I loved that thing!!! It would go anywhere and leave jeeps in the dust or mud. I once raced a buddy who had 78 camero,he never stood a chance!!! 1st.gear low range you could pull a utility pole out of the ground. It had factory A/C that was cold!!! I retrofitted an electric bench seat out of an olds 88. It was like a couch! It was a little too wide for a scout but all was good you just had to slam the doors shut lol !! Of all the vehicles I’ve owned and I’ve had plenty, that’s the one I wish I still had!!!!😢
Wow, how do you buy old bus manuals (73 wayne)? Thanks
ihmanuals .com or superscoutspecialist
Thank you ERIK I Have the 345 1989 long star Have learned a lot from you.
I am trying to resto a 67' 266/ 3spd. This video is a big help for us folks with a small budget and big dreams.
I had a 73 truck built for the airforce. 392 4v, came with the same Holley carb the 454 vetts had, 800 cfm. The ports were insanely big and that truck could smoke the tires in all 4 speeds.
I have a big o international V8, it's a 549 ci but it runs on propane. It's a 220 truck, the biggest V8 I know of is the GMC 637 ci. It's part of the old 60 degree engines.
not displacement, biggest block
Came for the pic. Stayed for the motor , Eric has great energy. I could tell he was in Illinois after he said one sentence.
It came from Berwyn!
I found my last pager in a truck i hadn't driven in 17 years
i miss pagers, screw cell phones, remember you needed 50cents and to be near a phone booth to be bothered by some body eleses panic attack lmAo
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Quick question. I have a 1961 inline 6 cyl gas international 2 single barrel carburetor bus. The crankshaft nut is enormous. I need know what size socket it takes before i go back and to make multiple trips. It spins around to one spot that doesn't allow a full 360 revaluation. I had to find this out the first time with a screwdriver on the flywheel... i really don't want to do that again
I don't know if you're the right guy to ask some dumb questions I may have. To preface this, I am a 54 year old man who has now been turning wrenches for thirty years, for Ford dealerships since 2000. I have a soft spot for IH Loadstar 1700 trucks. The reason? I remembered the sound of those engines in the school buses I rode in were my favorite, compared to the sound of the Ford and Chevy school buses of similar era. My research shows that the IH Loadstar of the mid to late 70s in school bus application was most likely powered by a 345 V8. I remembered the transmission shift pattern on the IH buses being 1st, 2nd and 4th being the top row of gears from left to right. And the bottom being R, 3rd and 5th from left to right. 1st gear was never used. I remember the IH buses had a very distinct "whine" sound to them if that makes any sense. I do notice that the 304/345/392 engines are used in the IH Scout trucks as well. Is there anything different about these engines versus the same ones used in Loadstar applications? Would you happen to have an idea of what transmission model I'm referring to by what I've described above? In school bus application, there was no red button on the shifter, so it was just a straight five speed with 1st and 2nd gear on the top row of the shift pattern. I have a stupid fantasy of buying a Loadstar truck equipped identically to what a school bus would have, in order to be able to relive the memory I had of the sound. I know it sounds stupid, and probably is stupid.
hell yeah right now im almost done with my 71 metro! Thats a clark transmission, and the only diference in the small truck engines is they had a smaller fan, the timing gear is retarded 4 degrees for emissions, and they didnt have the governed distributor/carb setup....
the direct gear drive camshaft makes that noise...
loadstars are awesome!
And not at all stupid!
These things are time machines, I get more joy out the people who get lit up with good memories than driving it sometimes!
New I H was good but WOW ! Thanks 😎
cant have engineered obsolescence in the farm truck, sort of national security lol
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER Yep farmers have to be practical
Definitely best engineered engines. My little 304 i have in my 67 1100b is fast, good little motor. Im selling it to a highscool kid to take care of, i got it when i was 17 and hot roded that thing for 10year solid, only had to change the engine out once and only lost the hood once, i recomend hoodpins if your gonna go fast but being so nostalgic i just could never drill random holes in the hood for that, not gonna happen.
Hey should I ditch my 350 Chevy Thomas built for a International bus
They pull like a diesel big rig! If you have the opportunity to trade up with in reason...
Im building an IH camper because I dont want my home to break down on the side of the road lol. 300 thousand miles missing oil changes lol
Im not a brand snob, I got lucky and got the IH, but if a another brand step van fell in my lap I would be living in that instead...
I learned to drive tandem dump truck on a 72 Binder with a 392, and 5x4. There was a hill on the highway [Suicide hill outside of Nipigon] that stressed me right out. Still learning how to shift loaded. I had to time it right to hit the bottom at 4500, pushing the throttle to the floor, almost breakin off my foot, I would crest the top of the hill at 3200....*whew*. Super strong pulling engine.
you seriously need a tri pod dude
Very INTEResting
Thanks for the info
I stick with the Australian 282s , much more room to work on them under the bonnet , plus I've soooo many for parts
You guys also got the 351 Cleveland all the way into the 80's right?
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I'm not sure , not into cars , just trucks and bikes
Australian here. I'm a farmer who really likes these Inter V8s. I have 2 trucks with the 345 and a semi with the 392. These trucks are '70's models and apart from servicing have never caused any problems.They are the most reliable motors I've ever used. These motors were made in Australia.
yeah you guys have like the 4 door cabs with different fenders and bed or something close???
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER Australian Internationals are very different to the US ones.We have the Acco, cab over. Very popular built from '72 till 2010+. There were bonnet Inters called the AB,C,D series from the 60's to the 80's .All Inters could be ordered with 4 door cabs. The engines were 286, 345, 392 all petrol. Diesel 555,903 Cummins . Perkins 6's. Only the very small Inter 110, 120 came with a pickup body, rest were tray or tipper bodies.
I really like this Tractor . I have a 1975 4366 !
Great video! How do these engines compare to the MV404? Any recommendations on places to find part numbers / order parts for IH? I just picked up an old 77 loadstar id like to properly restore and upgrade ignition/ carb. Also looking for other suggestions for HP / fuel efficiency/ reliability upgrades.
77 loadstar gonna want to replace the governed distributor and carburetor combo!!! Super Scout Specialist is always the first place I call, I have videos on th-cam.com/video/PmnKseKSRF4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CdhLEwfskBS6zP1A.... as well most engine parts are over the counter just order for a scout or a pickup... I upgraded my last 345 from a loadstar to an igniter2 electronic ignition that is all in one so it hides inside the distributor and looks stock...
How big is the coil on the 345? I can't find one or maybe a tractor coil. Thanks bro, I'll make it..
just use any v8 supercoil like an acell flame thrower, super coil, or msd...
International built these to industrial standards. They made everything themselves. I ran a dump years ago that had a 500+ motor in it. Sure, they sucked a lot of gas but they were built to run.
oh yeah they where always over built!
When you starting this 392 build. You should do a full Baja build so we can see how it was done
right after I repaint this trans am and my metro frame they will both be out of my shop in under a month, and then both then engines are getting everything we can throw at, but the 304 will only get an rv cam..., But Im going on tour in a few months with my band, my pinstriping gear, and my metro, so I wont have time to build another scout, mine was almost 100% ready and i got side swiped and ran on, barrel flip, crushed around my roll bar like a beer can! But I am totally willing to donate the 392 as a team effort build and hand letter up a race scout, find a driver, sponsor, enter it in the race again, or some event, sell raffle tickets to win it after the race, charity donation..... Or if somebody has a donor buggy I will try to beat Give Evil a run for his money and I will jump an entire ford dealer lot of new broncos lmao
Any chance you might do a ih mechanical clutch and linkage restoration?
With the high nickel content should the blocks be painted? Would a unpainted block have a better cooling surface? ( i am trying to restore a 67' scout keeping it original as much as possible). Trying to do it proper , so it can be passed along family for the next 50+ years.
paint it! or rust will creep under the gasket surfaces and woo woo woo, no heat transfer issue, these blocks take 20 min to warm up for an oil change lmao, they have no problem keeping cool, 300k worry free caked in 30 years of manure easy... add hardener to your paint. even if your using rustolium, thats good as long as you mix in 8 to 1 ratio of "wet look" enamel hardener
I love an SV mill as much as the next guy, but amazing flow is definitely not a characteristic of any IH engine.
port them heahs like i do in the engine rebuild video, and will flow like afrermarket race heads with only one restriction well 2, to overcome, first is easy higher lift cam.
Now the only issue is the way the exhaust flows around the valve,
, even with unshrouding that area on other engines the part if the valve near the wall dosnt flow much, but its still some. ours has a second issue though in this regular low flow area,
the valve is open and its up against the reliefe cut out in the cylnder head area, so there is a tiny corner not alowing air to go past, thats why they have the weird piston like in the dome its not a valve reliefe its st swoop it out the valve sideways like it was a flathead lmao
so with more lift and a lil unshrowdimg that i will demo on the 392 build, ill dyno that and flow bench the heads just for sake of youtube lol
We could use less of the camera flipping around, I would have liked to focus on the heads more.
here is a video rebuilding, porting, matching IH heads, th-cam.com/video/PmnKseKSRF4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CdhLEwfskBS6zP1A and my next ih engine is coming soon so there will be better filming and some more tricks i left out or learned since...
Love the IH , canted valves remind me of the Chrysler polyhead. Super torque!
I can't find connecting rod bearings or main's for my 572 gaspot International - took me appeox 6 months to locate them for my 446 gaspot & paid 80 buckaroonies for each!
Never a problem finding parts for my 392 and 345 though and for a reasonable price.
ouch, my best bet would be ask "coonrod" he has i guess the largest stock of used ih parts
Great info...
wife bought me a 70 1600 Loadstar...going to do a "rat truck " with it....any suggestions for the 304 I hope to retain?
th-cam.com/video/PmnKseKSRF4/w-d-xo.html. Its a great engine same process as this video!!!
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER thanks for the link...if you don't mind, I'll be tapping your knowledge and advice on this project!?
What carburetor would you recommend for v345 1603 short school bus or loadstar 1600. It has the Holly 2 barrel. Don't Holly warp? Stock or upgrade? Thanks
it was the thermo quad that warped... Best carb to run on these engines is the Holly Truck Avenger 470cfm 4bbl. they are designed for truck type low rpm power. while you can get a larger 4bbl to work, its very tricky because any other 4bbl besides the truck avenger is designed to open the rear barrels at about 4,000 rpm, and thats the redline for our applications, the truck avenger will open the rears sooner so your actually using all 4 barrels!!! make sure you get a non governed distributor to work with the non governed carb!!! funny thing is most the 4bbl manifolds where dealer swapped off the loadstars and put on scouts so its very possible you should have had a 4bbl to start with! and the factory 4bbl where only 390 cfm but good luck finding one...
Hi. Would the 549 international V8 gas engine" be a viable option instead of a ford 460?
Even in an old ford 196
1973 Thunderbird?
Thanks.
i dont think youll fit that in a thunder bird bit it sure would be a show stopper if you can!
I have an insane amount of valve train slop on my rebuild 392. Zero preload. Would cut to length pushrods be appropriate?
has it run to pump the lifters? as you see here ENGIN BUILD DIY 345 IH (part 1 of 2)
th-cam.com/video/PmnKseKSRF4/w-d-xo.html the new head gaskets are thicker. so if you deck the heads .020" you are actually only like .007 and thats in spec for pishrod length the tappers can take +/- .010" difference and the tappets to adjust...
I have not primed the oil pump yet. But I would have assumed you wouldn’t want a quarter inch of play on the pushrods. On all the GM stuff I’ve ever built you are supposed to get a little bit of preload. Right now the rods are just barely resting on the surface of the lifters.
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER Ive decided to pull the trigger and order some rockers from Murhpy's Motor Service. Hes the only guy on the planet that offers adjustable roller tip rockers for the IH small block.
I have an IH but its 6cyl flatty - oh well. Nice thumbnail btw.
Thats bad ass!!! Whats it in?
Any idea where a v345 alternator bracket can be bought? Or someone that makes them?
super scout specialist or try facebook.com/people/Coonrods-International-Harvester/100091051214228/
Do you have a video on International MV series engines?
might have to stop in with the tools and the camera and tear yours down as soon as I get my metro on the road ;)
GMC had a 637 V8, LeRoi had an 844 V8, along with White Motors, Continental, so on and so forth. The 549 wasn't any better than a 534 ford.
not the largest displacement, the biggest heaviest block in production vehicles, the 304 outweighs the 454, it has a bigger block... more meat so you can run cool forever 🤑
I have a 345 that likely needs rebuilt. Would you be interested in rebuilding it? If so, where are you located?
north east corner of indianna, And we would love to buld your 345, the current customer paid to be top priority on this 67 scout, so couple months wait...
I just bought an Improved Cooling 392e V8 for my 1973 Scout II. The owner said he got it out of a 1986 medium truck. It's a huge motor. Is there any truth to the idea that it was made in 1986? Anything I should be aware of? I plan on EFI and some other modern essential upgrades.....any advice?
could be, from 86, watch my engine rebuild video for details details...
hi, I know I will need to re-watch this video a few more times to catch everything said about the heads, but my question is the following: I have a '69 Loadstar 1700 with a locked up engine - only 15k original miles. It has a 392, 4 b holley and non-improved cooling. Someone told me when I take it apart to see why its locked up, that I should put 345 heads on it to increase the compression. Do you agree and what heads do you recommend? And what is the best way to recognize those heads? Or should I just stay with the stock heads? And there is a company that makes roller rockers for these engines. Do you recommend those? My goal is first a very dependable engine, not a racer, and secondly the engine as economical to run as possible. Intended truck use is primarily as an on and off-road wilderness camper.
Thank you for these videos.
well stick with stock, i have videos on rebuilding them on my page, so it has been proven that roller rockers do not show any gains unless we are talking dragster, they can actually decrease your performance on the street...
you can as i show because of the new gaskets are thicker, if you deck the heads .020 you wind up like it was only decked .007"....
so if you want to go any further you will need a rocker tower shim kit or shorter push rods....
im about to rebuild a 392 in a couple months where im going to do a crazy head job to get them to flow like they can
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER Thank you for your reply - very helpful ! I'm hoping I can get by with no machining work needed and find somewhere a set of OEM steel head gaskets. There's not a machine shop within a hundred miles of my city. Because I'm the one who locked it up, I know it was not over-revved or have anything major broken in it. When I first got the truck it started and ran very smoothly, like you would expect an engine with only 15k miles on it. So I never actually drove the truck but immediately let it idle to burn out any moisture that might have accumulated in the engine over the years and to warm the oil before I changed it. After a few minutes of idling, the engine began to slow down. It showed good oil pressure so I gave it more gas but it continued to slow down. No unusual noise. It finally stopped and now a breaker bar could not turn that engine. My guess is the cam bearings delaminated, spun and locked up the engine. Your thoughts? And is there anywhere I can connect the oil pressure gauge to the top end of the engine?
BTW I put a question on your steering shaft video. Thank you for your help.
Just curious, what state are you in? I'm in Comiefornia. Unfortunately no one around here has any interest in IH. But it was worse when I lived down south. I went into a auto parts store to get some basic part. (I had a '62 Travelette I had to sell for financial reasons). When I needed a part for my International the person behind the parts counter actually said "International, what year Ford is that?"
Hi Erik do you what these casting numbers mean off a 345 head (893870r3 ) in bigger numbers it has 70 3
yes i do, not off top of head, but i believe you have the same as me in the 345 rebuild video. i will check later, i have an index on my webpage www.bedhed.xyz click the ih icon, and it will take u to the link on heads...
the only one not pictured is the later years and they are the same as b4 just have the air injection ports in the exhaust ports
Hay mate I got a 56 inta sood I love it 6cylnder or sold I put a v8 in it
if its the 6 it came with I would stick with it! Once everything else is mint, the worry about upgrading stuff!
I have a question I cannot seem to find the deck height of the 345 & 392 engines?
man your gonna make binderbooks.com hate me if i answer your question, tell you what, if your a broke mo fo like myself with holes in your boots ill save you 100$ and look it up
My heads off 345 have the rear oil drain
152 is half of the 304, not 345
If I said that it was a brain fart
hey,,hold on there..i think the ford GAA motor is the largest v8 production motor ever made..pumped out 500 hp and 1.100 foot pounds ..flat plane crank and dual over head cam 32 valve v8 ...but was a tank engine
biggest big block, production meaning it sure i think chevy made a 500 big block, but the casting not didplacment the ih is bigger, not bigger cubic jnches just bigger!
Give us some Dt466 action in here. Non this crump ass v8, Gimi some inline 6 action all up in here
as soon as i get my hands on one!
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I’m doing a transmisión swap on a 1971 international have a v8 which transmission can I put??
I will need to be IH certified. You can either go with the Torqueflite 727 automatic or a manual but you need the appropriate bellhousing.
any IH transmission from 60-80
Do you know about old 1973 wayne model C? Any info would be appreciated.
not unless it has an Ih engine lol, most stepvan parts are universal and can still be bought from mills supply step vans....
Thanks this is my first rebuild. Found a manual. It a 73 Wayne International loadstar 1603-A with the v345. I found a manual it should work. But where do I order electrical coil?
I got a 66 with the 152 and i want to pump it for fun any advise on it ?
mill the intake manifold flat so that a webber 2bbl carb adapter plate can be bolted on, and now you have a 2bbl that progressively opens like a 4bbl... most people use jb cold weld instead of a gasket...
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER any thoughts on porting and polishing ? Been looking for a shop but can't find one
I got a 66 metro mite. All the wiring is cut. And I don’t know what to do to get it going. Wish you were here in Los Angeles 😂. Don’t even know where to start or anything
a 66 metro mite is a 1966 Scout with a box for a body!!! lot of support for them!!!
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER very interesting
Hay mate I have a black diamond 240 how can I more power
im fixng the broken page www.bedhed.xyz/ih i have a write up on how to mill the log intake, and bolt a spacer to accept the webber 2bbl carbs! they work like half a 4bbl carb. larger secondary!
and run it always on marvell mystery oil to save the valve seats meant for leaded gas!
Ok cool hay can I get the Valve seats hardened i am going to re grind the cam for power and Dec the head I am also going for a tall tier and a od tanssmission what do you think will it cruise better
you sir just made a diesel guy love gas v8s agin oh my gosh i need one of these motors just 5 mins and 40 secs in to the vid lets add a supercharger or a turbo
its been done! th-cam.com/video/pq5UeVvv4ag/w-d-xo.html
What does a IH 345 engine weigh?
almost 900
I hope you got a case for your phone.
Oh yeah, every time i get tired of having the case because it annoys the shit out of me, im replacing the screen next day lmao...
@@TEN-TIMES-HARDER well, I enjoyed the video and gave you a sub.
You verified what I heard when I was 15 years old: that International cut the 345 in half and made a slant 4.
Hi from Australia.. international Harvester truck... Not a pick up truck..
A proper truck put 6000 kg on it 4x4 345 v8. Early 70s
you guys had what was it the 4 door pickups and somthing like a travelLl wasnt it more like travellett with a box?
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The 152 is half a 304 not 345
did i say that?
What has this guy been smoking?
it wont help you
Got sick you move around too much. I HAVE ALWAYS BEN A SCOUT GUY , MY MILTARY 800A HAD A 6 CYL MY SCOUT 2 HAD A 345 KEPTBLOWING OUT MUFFLERS. PLEASE REMAKE LESS MOVMENT GOOD INFO THOUGH
I have 2 videos on the rebuild, and I will be doing another soon, Ill set the camera on a stand just for you :)