Bro....Outstanding work man, sincerely. You really go above and beyond to make sure you are as thorough as possible for the Ally community. Your videos are exceptional and I can not thank you enough for all the work that you do. Please keep the videos coming for whatever else you find or recommend. Oh...Speaking of which. I have been seeing posts about the 7840U drivers for the Ally? What are your thoughts on that? Will you be doing any tests with these drivers by any chance?
Hey, I did a short test and uploaded a video. At the end I also have a guide on how to roll back, as well as install them. I don't think it's worth it. After having Horizon 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2 crash, as well as lower performance on Horizon 5, I'd stay with the Asus ones. And I noticed now I'm getting a message on Horizon 5 that's saying it can't detect the graphics card I'm using (even though I re-installed the Asus driver). Here is the video if you didn't already see it: th-cam.com/video/8xUPiiPMOFs/w-d-xo.html
@@filt3rless Thank you so much bro! You are always putting out great content. You even took one for the team with that driver update. I hope you are able to get that sorted out with Forza 5 bro. I'm so sorry that happened.
Fantastic work! A big fan of 12w and 18w at my end. It would be interesting to observe differences in the 1% lows as well. I wonder if those higher wattages improve them.
Thanks! :). And you can see the tests running in the background at the top. They're sped up to really fast speed, but it's a full 30 seconds, just sped up to around 2 seconds or so. And you can see the 1% and 0.1%'s in them for each watt setting. I didn't notice too much of a difference.
Nice testing and kudos for your effort! Good to find out the optimal wattage for gaming without diminishing returns. Could you perhaps make a similar video for the Steam Deck OLED? I think It'll be interesting to know if the Steam Deck also has a similar curve where the FPS plateaus after a certain wattage.
Can you do a battery life test mixed with performance test for the optimal wattage in different games? I would say 18W is optimal for performance/power draw. Also, would be great to see how the screen brightness affects battery life. With CPU boost disabled of course
Hey, I do want to run this type of test. I was thinking about doing the Steam Deck and Rog Ally battery tests on the same games, same wattages. Then we'd be able to see both and how they compare for actual battery life.
Awesome comprehensive video! I hope you making contents for the Ally~ Also, I use OBS for streaming and/or recording. If possible, maybe add OBS running in the background because I’m interested to know how the graph would be with OBS in the background. But of course, that’s if you have the time and interest. Anyway, thanks for the video!
Thanks! I use a program called G-Helper which allows 17 watts in "Balanced" mode and keeps the fans very quiet. If you use manual mode at all in AC, the fans are pretty loud. I have a video about G-Helper here: th-cam.com/video/-UPfsmZxLss/w-d-xo.html
Great job as always! Thanks for the wattage testing! Using G-Helper I find the fan doesn't need to be set higher than 5000 rpm at 30 watts. I still get max performance and as quiet a fan as possible while maintaining good thermals. Would love to see some extreme testing, how about 42 watt constant testing? And could those temps hold well under 95 degrees at 100% fans? or 80%? For games where you're desparate for fps. *cough Remnant 2 *cough
I think going even past 25W doesn't provide much value. The drop off gets worse as the watts increase. If we could cool this thing and take it all the way to 100W, it'd be almost a flat line with no additional FPS we approached that 100W level. So I personally like 17W or 25W. With 900p resolution it's been working great. And 🤣at Remnant 2, I don't own it but if I do get it, I'll definitely test it out :)
@filt3rless - It's the first unreal 5 game out, there are more coming out soon. But the fact it's decently playable on the Ally is great. But of course if you do any of those types of games, we'll be here waiting for your testing.
@@ezg8448 I'm looking forward to all the new games. I actually play one called "Satisfactory" that has switched to unreal engine 5 on the experimental branch. It looks amazing (but I was playing it on my laptop). I've also thought about doing in-depth settings on games. It's just buying brand new games over and over gets expensive 🤣
Hey, I am planning on releasing a video on it in the future. It's MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner that's running it. There are a lot of videos on TH-cam of how to set it up as well if you wanted to set it up before I get a video out.
Hey, I am planning on releasing a video of how to set it up with some custom overlays for everyone. There are a few steps involved and I also want to create a tutorial to show how to change it and add/remove things :)
Hey, I just wanted to add that I'm MSI Afterburner & Riva Tuner. They come bundled together when you download MSI Afterburner. And there are lots of tutorials on TH-cam on how to setup overlays. Even though I am planning on making a video, I'm not sure exactly when, and I wanted you to know the programs in-case you wanted to go ahead and start using them.
This is what I did, no mods, just adding to the .ini file. It's also full freesync, so it can fluctuate and it stays butter smooth: th-cam.com/video/4Bs-odC8Yhg/w-d-xo.html
Hey, I have a whole video on G-Helper and the settings I use. I use 13W (Silent), 17W (Balanced), 25W (Turbo): th-cam.com/video/-UPfsmZxLss/w-d-xo.html
It's not the best. For battery I'd try to drop down to 13 watts or so and lower FPS. I wouldn't plan on getting even 2 hours in most games. A game like stardew valley at low wattage can last a while, but the Ally does not have good battery life in most situations.
@@filt3rless I understand. Just wondering if this is the ideal peak performance, 17W at 900p for AAA. What can I expect for a sustained power draw? An hour? Kind of shame that running 15W won't even net us 2hrs on a 40whr battery.
@@tomoprime217 I just loaded up Skyrim at 17W and it's drawing about 27.5W (total battery drain), so it'd be right at 1 hour 27 minutes. Then I dropped it down to 15W and it was drawing around 24.5W which is a little over 1 1/2 hours. Like 1 hour 36 minutes or so. Then I just dropped it to 13W (my default for low watts) and the total system draw was right at 20W, so you'd get almost 2 hours (as you can't really run it to 0%). The biggest issue is the chip doesn't like low power. The Steam Deck chip was custom designed to run extremely low watts well. I've seen the CPU dip below 1 watt when playing (not including the GPU) on the Steam Deck, which is crazy.
@@filt3rless thank you for the feedback. You wonder if the 7640U will fare better for lower wattages with less cores and less compute units. I know on paper it doesn't look good, some predict it will be slightly efficient. This series expects bigger laptop sized batteries. Who will be the 1st to boast larger capacity? I thought the new TJD T101 on indiegogo will have a 60whr battert but I imagine a 10.1" 1200p screen will eat away at it fast.
@@tomoprime217 I just looked up the TJD T101. I think the biggest issue with most of the other handhelds is no FreeSync. The 120Hz FreeSync on the Ally lets you run V-Sync off (lower input lag), and have the framerate vary, while still being smooth. And the Ally even goes further with LFC (Low Framerate Compensation), which allows it to run all the way down to 30Hz with V-Sync off. I don't mind having a higher density display, because we can always use RSR to upscale. Which is why the Ally is so great, it can push 900p without issue, then when upscaled it looks awesome. They could be banking on FSR 3 though with frame generation. That should allow people to run at a solid 60FPS (if it works like AMD is saying), even at 1200p. I personally don't think any of these are competition to the hassle free, V-Sync off, uncapped FPS, and ability to have butter smooth fluctuating frames like we see on the Ally. If the Steam Deck had freesync, I'm not sure I would have even bought the Ally. As even though it's less powerful, it would have been a lot less noticeable with freesync.
I'm using G-Helper and have not selected custom fan curve. If you select that in G-Helper the fans are a lot louder as it's basically running what AC does in manual mode (from my testing). So leaving them unchecked gets the results you heard in the noise comparison.
It doesn't, you can run both side by side. However, it's a little more tricky as you'd need to set AC to Performance both plugged in and unplugged. If not, then both AC and G-Helper will be trying to change the performance level when you plug your device in and unplug it. However, after AC is set to performance on both, I find using G-Helper works great. G-helpers power modes are separate from Armoury Crate, so it doesn't change AC at all.
I'm running 900p for the resolution. I have a video on how to get it, and it looks amazing while performing better than 1080p: th-cam.com/video/5jO1F36KWOc/w-d-xo.html
I use a program called G-Helper, and I can have a bunch of levels setup in custom profiles. Also you can use Armoury Crate to adjust the watts in manual mode. I use 13W for power savings, 17W for normal (plugged in & unplugged), and I have a 25W profile setup for intense games like Cyberpunk.
I feel like I'm the only one that uses the same wattage unplugged and plugged. I don't like my experience being different. So I stick to 22/25/25. Only cyberpunk gets a boost to 25/25/25
Great video as always. So the TLDW version is there’s not really much point in going over 20W TDP’s. Stick to the 15-20W range to keep the temps down and get a bit more battery life. What fan curves are you using for the 17-20W range in Armoury Crate? Are you still using the default ones? I’m on the latest bios and I think they changed the default curves a bit since the previous bios.
Thanks :). I'm using a program called G-Helper so I'm able to set the watts per profile without needing to use AC. It even makes it so multiple profiles per watt can be setup and switch with the tap of a button. I have the link to G-Helper in the description if you want to see more about it.
@@filt3rless I’ve seen the vids about G-Helper, seems good. I’m just trying to stick with the stock software on the Ally for now. I’m just trying to make a manual 20W profile in Armoury Crate with 20/20/20 across the board but I’m stumped about the best fan curve to set. A good balance of heat protection but nothing to make the Ally sound like a jet engine either! Any suggestions?
@@stoksyXL There really isn't a way to have the fans quiet in manual mode. I did the fan noise test at the end of the video and 17W with G-Helper is whisper silent with great temps. It's my favorite setting. I even use it most of the time while plugged in.
MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner. I don't have a tutorial yet, but there are a lot of videos on TH-cam about how to setup the Overlay if you're interested in doing that :)
Wauw love your content. G helper - should you manually set the fan curve or ? Because the 17w sounds amazingly quit compared to the manual mode fan curve at the Armory crate.
Thanks! :). So in G-Helper you actually shouldn't select "Apply Custom Fan Curve", that seems to basically run what Asus has set in AC. Instead, leave that box unchecked, and it'll run much quieter. Also, I would not go past 18-19W in "Balanced". The fans will stay quite but the system will start running hotter. Hope that helps!
Hey so I have the ROG ALLY Z1 ( non extreme ) & when I’m playing battlefield 2042 on performance mode it lags a bit often. Soon as I bump it to turbo mode it works amazing, barely any lag. I just made a custom manual setting and put everything to 18 ( 18watts ) seeing a lot of people are saying that’s the sweet spot. Imma test it out today and see how it runs
MSI Afterburner with Riva Tuner. There are a lot of ways to set it up. I currently don't have a tutorial. I am planning on creating an AMD Overlay tutorial soon though, which will show similar data and is already built into the AMD control panel.
Thank you so much for these videos Filterless. Just a quick question. When you use G-Helper, have you completely uninstalled AC (not for this vid ofc but during day-to-day) or did you just disable all processes? My main thing is, I much much prefer to use G-Helper, specifically it's much lighterweight and much more useful for me, but AC can still be a necessary evil for things like updates right? Or are the updates delivered there simply for Armoury Crate frameworks etc and nothing else? Thanks!
Most of the updates will actually show up under "Updates" in G-Helper and I found it works great. They show up red if it's not up to date, and it's easier to get them. The main reason for AC being on is to keep access to the command center (as it's pretty nice to have those controls at the push of a button). Right now I have it setup with all the services disabled except for "Armoury Crate SE Service" & "Asus Optimization". I set AC up so plugged in/unplugged it's in performance mode (so it doesn't try to override G-Helper), and I have it set to "Gamepad" mode so it doesn't load profiles inside AC (as that can also override G-Helper). Hope the info helps :)
Yes, most of these are at 900p. I mostly run 900p now as the FPS increase is nice. However, the watt to FPS ratio should stay roughly the same even if you go to 1080p, or knock it down some.
Hi Filterless, thanks for your educational videos as always! I was wondering, do you recommend using an SD card if I keep my temps in check (always under 70°C, manual 25W with wattage and cpu boost both disabled)? SD reader seems to be working so far, just recently got my Ally. I just saw reports that SD reader fails under any circumstances. But what's your take on that, take the risk or ignore the SD slot altogether?
I personally ignore the SD Card reader and don't trust it no matter the temps. I feel it's just a matter of time before the reader goes out, or the card itself. How I justify it (at least to myself) is, I would have bought the Ally even without the SD Card Reader. I ended up just putting the 1TB SSD from the Steam Deck into the Ally for the extra space. And if you're looking for even more storage, I'd recommend an external SSD, like a T5 or T7. I've loaded games off of them, and have a bunch installed on them, and it works great :) I have a video about the dock I use as well as the SSD if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/-I_OGBv4uDg/w-d-xo.html
I would add the bestbuy 1-2yr insurance plan post sale. Even if the SD fails in a month, might as well hold off on the return until you get the guaranteed hardware revision. At least for the price of the protection plan you'll get a fresh battery and new controls on the benefit of a long replacement wait.
@@tomoprime217 I had the "Total Tech" membership at BestBuy. However, I came to realize that if it's a manufacture defect within the first year, they just send it to Asus to get it repaired. However, I'd assume if the new one comes back and it's still broken they might go ahead and replace it, but I don't know for sure.
Were your benchmarks just you standing still for 30 seconds? You really should be doing repeatable benchmarks, as well as doing the runs more than once. Think the Cyberpunk or dirt 5 benchmark. This will help get a greater set of data. This can be shown in your variance in subnautica. Going from 22-23 watts I believe it was? When doing a minimum of three runs (benchmarks) you can then average those out for a more "expected experience" Working on a video now with 400+ tests, it's annoying but crucial imo.
Hey, thanks for swinging by. The purpose of this video is to show people how drastic the fall off is as you approach higher watts. I feel the small variance, that I noted in the video itself, isn't a big enough variance to affect or take away the main point of the video. Which is, the higher you push watts, the less return you get. It'd be about 900 videos if I ran the test 3 times, which doesn't seem necessary for this specific test.
@@filt3rless to each their own I suppose. I'd say that doing static comparisons, while good for changing around settings to see "changing x setting to medium" gives us "x" amount more/less FPS. Is still not very indicative of the relation to watts vs performance. Battery life testing at preferred wattage levels would help as well (just as a side thing) Actual gameplay elements would help as depending on the scene this can vary wildly. Depending on what power is alloted to where (cpu/gpu) will have a huge effect. I'm sure you've noticed about 15 watts you will be gpu starved (only sitting around 800mhz etc) with only very certain circumstances see it come up above that. You are right though it is a great quick look at how performance is not very "linear" as you go up in wattage. I still would have liked to see an actual gameplay beat/benchmark though at minimum to help get a better sense of real world performance. Benchmarks at your preferred settings would have been nice at the end. Perhaps running cyberpunk Benchmark then onto dirt 5 or another. It doesn't need to be every game but I still feel it's important to get actual gameplay data.
@@WinDeckTech I'm not sure how plausible it is to run benchmarks with the extremes in this test. We're talking about unplayability at the lower watts, and the tests need to be short enough that the temporary boost wattage above 30 doesn't come down before the benchmark is over. Even just doing 30 seconds I had to stop tests near the end, lower watts, then re-up the watts because boost had stopped. The FPS for this test is almost irrelevant. Whether it's super intense graphics and it's only getting 40FPS or getting 500FPS, the size of the bars in correlation with the watts as they increase is the main point. That might change running actual benchmarks, but I doubt it would. It'd just be lower FPS values with almost identical size bars. I do get the importance of benchmarks, which is why I run tri-splits and show the recordings. That's how I normally run tests, it's just this test is completely different and outside the normal "let's see how this game performs".
@@filt3rlessmaybe 30w manual tdp would be another option. The boost is so short, where 30w is more accurate of what you’ll expect while playing. I don’t really get why they use boost in the first place with how short it lasts. Ayaneo devices do the same thing with a 2w boost above what you set for 2 min. I always have to monitor until it’s holding what I set it at before testing.
@@okestgamer 100%, and I ran multiple benchmarks at tons of different wattages here on Bios 322 vs 323: th-cam.com/video/42gwCzmhdGw/w-d-xo.html. Since I've already tested that, this tests was specifically to help people find the watt value that works for them. My other videos of benchmarks really showcase how much watts affect performance as well as how games perform. And yeah, I can't stand the boost wattage. I directly messaged Asus a couple months ago and said they should remove that as it could be causing the SD Card reader failure (before the acknowledge heat was the issue). Turning the fans up, but letting it get to 43 watts of boost doesn't make sense.
Great video, I've been using more than 30w in very heavy games, but 25w is the best choice if I play really connected... and I like to use 18w on battery... Taking the opportunity to put these profiles that you suggested at the end of the video, what program are you using? The Armory itself?
Thanks, I'm using a program called G-Helper, I have a whole video about it in the description. It lets me setup as many custom watt profiles as I want and easily switch using just a button.
Nah, bro that thing is crying for help 😂 I play games like Elden ring, AC origins, Black myth Wukong etc at 30w and very high settings, no sound at all. Atleast go for the Ally X and you won’t have as much trouble with fans
As usual, perfect guide! Those are exactly the watts I’m using as well for each profile 😊
You are the only guy on TH-cam that give a GamerNexus like testing on the Ally! Good job bro!
Thanks a bunch! :)
@@filt3rless You're welcome. Keep up the great work 👍
Bro....Outstanding work man, sincerely. You really go above and beyond to make sure you are as thorough as possible for the Ally community. Your videos are exceptional and I can not thank you enough for all the work that you do. Please keep the videos coming for whatever else you find or recommend. Oh...Speaking of which. I have been seeing posts about the 7840U drivers for the Ally? What are your thoughts on that? Will you be doing any tests with these drivers by any chance?
Hey, I did a short test and uploaded a video. At the end I also have a guide on how to roll back, as well as install them. I don't think it's worth it. After having Horizon 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2 crash, as well as lower performance on Horizon 5, I'd stay with the Asus ones. And I noticed now I'm getting a message on Horizon 5 that's saying it can't detect the graphics card I'm using (even though I re-installed the Asus driver). Here is the video if you didn't already see it: th-cam.com/video/8xUPiiPMOFs/w-d-xo.html
@@filt3rless Thank you so much bro! You are always putting out great content. You even took one for the team with that driver update. I hope you are able to get that sorted out with Forza 5 bro. I'm so sorry that happened.
Fantastic work! A big fan of 12w and 18w at my end.
It would be interesting to observe differences in the 1% lows as well. I wonder if those higher wattages improve them.
Thanks! :). And you can see the tests running in the background at the top. They're sped up to really fast speed, but it's a full 30 seconds, just sped up to around 2 seconds or so. And you can see the 1% and 0.1%'s in them for each watt setting. I didn't notice too much of a difference.
Nice testing and kudos for your effort! Good to find out the optimal wattage for gaming without diminishing returns. Could you perhaps make a similar video for the Steam Deck OLED?
I think It'll be interesting to know if the Steam Deck also has a similar curve where the FPS plateaus after a certain wattage.
Great work as always 👏
Thanks for this useful video! Great work!
Can you do a battery life test mixed with performance test for the optimal wattage in different games? I would say 18W is optimal for performance/power draw. Also, would be great to see how the screen brightness affects battery life. With CPU boost disabled of course
Hey, I do want to run this type of test. I was thinking about doing the Steam Deck and Rog Ally battery tests on the same games, same wattages. Then we'd be able to see both and how they compare for actual battery life.
@@filt3rless That's exactly the test I'd love to see
in hindsight the updates to silence from 10 to 13 and performance from 15 to 17 make total sense based on these charts for ally vs ally x
Great Video!
Awesome comprehensive video! I hope you making contents for the Ally~
Also, I use OBS for streaming and/or recording. If possible, maybe add OBS running in the background because I’m interested to know how the graph would be with OBS in the background. But of course, that’s if you have the time and interest. Anyway, thanks for the video!
Dude. Awesome breakdown. My issues is at 17w I can't seem to reduce fam noise to as low as performance mode. Fan 1 stays at high rpm from 60 degrees
Thanks! I use a program called G-Helper which allows 17 watts in "Balanced" mode and keeps the fans very quiet. If you use manual mode at all in AC, the fans are pretty loud. I have a video about G-Helper here: th-cam.com/video/-UPfsmZxLss/w-d-xo.html
This is so useful, thanks Filterless!!!
Glad it helped!! Thanks for stopping by :)
Great job as always! Thanks for the wattage testing!
Using G-Helper I find the fan doesn't need to be set higher than 5000 rpm at 30 watts. I still get max performance and as quiet a fan as possible while maintaining good thermals.
Would love to see some extreme testing, how about 42 watt constant testing? And could those temps hold well under 95 degrees at 100% fans? or 80%?
For games where you're desparate for fps. *cough Remnant 2 *cough
I think going even past 25W doesn't provide much value. The drop off gets worse as the watts increase. If we could cool this thing and take it all the way to 100W, it'd be almost a flat line with no additional FPS we approached that 100W level. So I personally like 17W or 25W. With 900p resolution it's been working great. And 🤣at Remnant 2, I don't own it but if I do get it, I'll definitely test it out :)
@filt3rless - It's the first unreal 5 game out, there are more coming out soon. But the fact it's decently playable on the Ally is great.
But of course if you do any of those types of games, we'll be here waiting for your testing.
@@ezg8448 I'm looking forward to all the new games. I actually play one called "Satisfactory" that has switched to unreal engine 5 on the experimental branch. It looks amazing (but I was playing it on my laptop). I've also thought about doing in-depth settings on games. It's just buying brand new games over and over gets expensive 🤣
@@filt3rless - Lol, we all know that feeling all too well...
Hey, Could you Show how to get that Bar on Top on The Ally ? Thank you
Hey, I am planning on releasing a video on it in the future. It's MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner that's running it. There are a lot of videos on TH-cam of how to set it up as well if you wanted to set it up before I get a video out.
@@filt3rless Waiting for you . Since That layout is Awesome . Thank you .
Isnt 30W max? How to go up to 35W?
Can you do a tut on your fps counter set up?
Yeah that overlay looks good. Like this steam deck one.
Hey, I am planning on releasing a video of how to set it up with some custom overlays for everyone. There are a few steps involved and I also want to create a tutorial to show how to change it and add/remove things :)
I too would like a tutorial plz
@@filt3rless oh that would he great!
Hey, I just wanted to add that I'm MSI Afterburner & Riva Tuner. They come bundled together when you download MSI Afterburner. And there are lots of tutorials on TH-cam on how to setup overlays. Even though I am planning on making a video, I'm not sure exactly when, and I wanted you to know the programs in-case you wanted to go ahead and start using them.
Please could you do a performance review of ARMORED CORE™ VI FIRES OF RUBICON™ if you get it on the Ally?
stupid question: How do you get more than 60 FPS on Skyrim? The game is locked in 60 frames to me ...( even if I unlock on armory crate)
This is what I did, no mods, just adding to the .ini file. It's also full freesync, so it can fluctuate and it stays butter smooth: th-cam.com/video/4Bs-odC8Yhg/w-d-xo.html
@@filt3rless tks again friend!!
Hi, really great video. Can you tell me your setting for d4? Thanks
Hi can you say me please what is you plan set up in your 17w in ghelper please? Is it in balanced mode or performance mode? Thanks
Hey, I have a whole video on G-Helper and the settings I use. I use 13W (Silent), 17W (Balanced), 25W (Turbo): th-cam.com/video/-UPfsmZxLss/w-d-xo.html
I suppose 2 fps for an extra 5 watts, huh? The ROG Ally at a custom 30W hovers around 80 degrees. So maybe I'll keep it plugged in.
All this is cool but what can I expect on average battery life for 17W tdp at 900p? Assuming I stay there at best.
It's not the best. For battery I'd try to drop down to 13 watts or so and lower FPS. I wouldn't plan on getting even 2 hours in most games. A game like stardew valley at low wattage can last a while, but the Ally does not have good battery life in most situations.
@@filt3rless I understand. Just wondering if this is the ideal peak performance, 17W at 900p for AAA. What can I expect for a sustained power draw? An hour? Kind of shame that running 15W won't even net us 2hrs on a 40whr battery.
@@tomoprime217 I just loaded up Skyrim at 17W and it's drawing about 27.5W (total battery drain), so it'd be right at 1 hour 27 minutes. Then I dropped it down to 15W and it was drawing around 24.5W which is a little over 1 1/2 hours. Like 1 hour 36 minutes or so. Then I just dropped it to 13W (my default for low watts) and the total system draw was right at 20W, so you'd get almost 2 hours (as you can't really run it to 0%).
The biggest issue is the chip doesn't like low power. The Steam Deck chip was custom designed to run extremely low watts well. I've seen the CPU dip below 1 watt when playing (not including the GPU) on the Steam Deck, which is crazy.
@@filt3rless thank you for the feedback. You wonder if the 7640U will fare better for lower wattages with less cores and less compute units. I know on paper it doesn't look good, some predict it will be slightly efficient. This series expects bigger laptop sized batteries. Who will be the 1st to boast larger capacity? I thought the new TJD T101 on indiegogo will have a 60whr battert but I imagine a 10.1" 1200p screen will eat away at it fast.
@@tomoprime217 I just looked up the TJD T101. I think the biggest issue with most of the other handhelds is no FreeSync. The 120Hz FreeSync on the Ally lets you run V-Sync off (lower input lag), and have the framerate vary, while still being smooth. And the Ally even goes further with LFC (Low Framerate Compensation), which allows it to run all the way down to 30Hz with V-Sync off.
I don't mind having a higher density display, because we can always use RSR to upscale. Which is why the Ally is so great, it can push 900p without issue, then when upscaled it looks awesome. They could be banking on FSR 3 though with frame generation. That should allow people to run at a solid 60FPS (if it works like AMD is saying), even at 1200p.
I personally don't think any of these are competition to the hassle free, V-Sync off, uncapped FPS, and ability to have butter smooth fluctuating frames like we see on the Ally. If the Steam Deck had freesync, I'm not sure I would have even bought the Ally. As even though it's less powerful, it would have been a lot less noticeable with freesync.
Please, post your fan curves so we can copy your configurations
I'm using G-Helper and have not selected custom fan curve. If you select that in G-Helper the fans are a lot louder as it's basically running what AC does in manual mode (from my testing). So leaving them unchecked gets the results you heard in the noise comparison.
does g-helper disable armory crate?
It doesn't, you can run both side by side. However, it's a little more tricky as you'd need to set AC to Performance both plugged in and unplugged. If not, then both AC and G-Helper will be trying to change the performance level when you plug your device in and unplug it. However, after AC is set to performance on both, I find using G-Helper works great. G-helpers power modes are separate from Armoury Crate, so it doesn't change AC at all.
@@filt3rless I'm gonna try g-helper as I find the fan profiles on these latest updates too aggressive. Gonna look up your guide bro. Thanks
@@schtoltheimreinbach Awesome, I think you'll like it :). It's all I use to control power because I don't enjoy AC at all.
Wich game are you playing at the end? And thank you for that info bro
The game for the fan noise is Skyrim and then one at the very end is Diablo 4 :)
Are you running Skyrim AR? I cant replicate your frames by any means. On medium settings with 17W I am mor in the 45-50 range on Skyrim AE.
I'm running 900p for the resolution. I have a video on how to get it, and it looks amazing while performing better than 1080p: th-cam.com/video/5jO1F36KWOc/w-d-xo.html
Can’t you do a benchmark playing Tarkov pls
What is the resolution and settings you are using to do those FPS pls ?
Hey, at the beginning of each video it pops up at the top right of the chart.
Are you using the latest amd drivers or are you still on the ones from June 14th?
This is still the ones from Asus, the .4001. As soon as they release new drivers I am planning on running tests to see the differences.
Thanks
Do you think starfiled could run on rog ally ?
Hey, I do think it'll run. I'm even planning on testing it out myself. I might even do a video on different settings and how they look :)
@@filt3rless great !!!! I’m sure many would love that
Coming for d4 lately or is it just overall 20-21w best
I'd say 25W is best if you're plugged in and really needing the best performance. Then I run 17W most of the time, even unplugged.
How do you adjust ur watts?
I use a program called G-Helper, and I can have a bunch of levels setup in custom profiles. Also you can use Armoury Crate to adjust the watts in manual mode. I use 13W for power savings, 17W for normal (plugged in & unplugged), and I have a 25W profile setup for intense games like Cyberpunk.
What are you using for your stats banner at the top?
MSI Afterburner and Riva tuner. I'm planning on making a video about them in the future :)
Please do bro, also share the overlay, I love it! @@filt3rless
I feel like I'm the only one that uses the same wattage unplugged and plugged. I don't like my experience being different. So I stick to 22/25/25. Only cyberpunk gets a boost to 25/25/25
Great video as always. So the TLDW version is there’s not really much point in going over 20W TDP’s.
Stick to the 15-20W range to keep the temps down and get a bit more battery life.
What fan curves are you using for the 17-20W range in Armoury Crate? Are you still using the default ones? I’m on the latest bios and I think they changed the default curves a bit since the previous bios.
Thanks :). I'm using a program called G-Helper so I'm able to set the watts per profile without needing to use AC. It even makes it so multiple profiles per watt can be setup and switch with the tap of a button. I have the link to G-Helper in the description if you want to see more about it.
@@filt3rless I’ve seen the vids about G-Helper, seems good. I’m just trying to stick with the stock software on the Ally for now. I’m just trying to make a manual 20W profile in Armoury Crate with 20/20/20 across the board but I’m stumped about the best fan curve to set. A good balance of heat protection but nothing to make the Ally sound like a jet engine either! Any suggestions?
@@stoksyXL There really isn't a way to have the fans quiet in manual mode. I did the fan noise test at the end of the video and 17W with G-Helper is whisper silent with great temps. It's my favorite setting. I even use it most of the time while plugged in.
What is that fps counter you are using?
MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner. I don't have a tutorial yet, but there are a lot of videos on TH-cam about how to setup the Overlay if you're interested in doing that :)
Wauw love your content. G helper - should you manually set the fan curve or ? Because the 17w sounds amazingly quit compared to the manual mode fan curve at the Armory crate.
Thanks! :). So in G-Helper you actually shouldn't select "Apply Custom Fan Curve", that seems to basically run what Asus has set in AC. Instead, leave that box unchecked, and it'll run much quieter. Also, I would not go past 18-19W in "Balanced". The fans will stay quite but the system will start running hotter. Hope that helps!
Hey so I have the ROG ALLY Z1 ( non extreme ) & when I’m playing battlefield 2042 on performance mode it lags a bit often. Soon as I bump it to turbo mode it works amazing, barely any lag. I just made a custom manual setting and put everything to 18 ( 18watts ) seeing a lot of people are saying that’s the sweet spot. Imma test it out today and see how it runs
Which osd app are you using?
MSI Afterburner with Riva Tuner. There are a lot of ways to set it up. I currently don't have a tutorial. I am planning on creating an AMD Overlay tutorial soon though, which will show similar data and is already built into the AMD control panel.
Thank you so much for these videos Filterless.
Just a quick question. When you use G-Helper, have you completely uninstalled AC (not for this vid ofc but during day-to-day) or did you just disable all processes? My main thing is, I much much prefer to use G-Helper, specifically it's much lighterweight and much more useful for me, but AC can still be a necessary evil for things like updates right? Or are the updates delivered there simply for Armoury Crate frameworks etc and nothing else?
Thanks!
Most of the updates will actually show up under "Updates" in G-Helper and I found it works great. They show up red if it's not up to date, and it's easier to get them. The main reason for AC being on is to keep access to the command center (as it's pretty nice to have those controls at the push of a button). Right now I have it setup with all the services disabled except for "Armoury Crate SE Service" & "Asus Optimization". I set AC up so plugged in/unplugged it's in performance mode (so it doesn't try to override G-Helper), and I have it set to "Gamepad" mode so it doesn't load profiles inside AC (as that can also override G-Helper). Hope the info helps :)
Are these on 900p?
Yes, most of these are at 900p. I mostly run 900p now as the FPS increase is nice. However, the watt to FPS ratio should stay roughly the same even if you go to 1080p, or knock it down some.
What settings do you use for metro exodus if you do mind me asking
Hi Filterless, thanks for your educational videos as always! I was wondering, do you recommend using an SD card if I keep my temps in check (always under 70°C, manual 25W with wattage and cpu boost both disabled)? SD reader seems to be working so far, just recently got my Ally. I just saw reports that SD reader fails under any circumstances. But what's your take on that, take the risk or ignore the SD slot altogether?
I personally ignore the SD Card reader and don't trust it no matter the temps. I feel it's just a matter of time before the reader goes out, or the card itself. How I justify it (at least to myself) is, I would have bought the Ally even without the SD Card Reader. I ended up just putting the 1TB SSD from the Steam Deck into the Ally for the extra space. And if you're looking for even more storage, I'd recommend an external SSD, like a T5 or T7. I've loaded games off of them, and have a bunch installed on them, and it works great :)
I have a video about the dock I use as well as the SSD if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/-I_OGBv4uDg/w-d-xo.html
I would add the bestbuy 1-2yr insurance plan post sale. Even if the SD fails in a month, might as well hold off on the return until you get the guaranteed hardware revision. At least for the price of the protection plan you'll get a fresh battery and new controls on the benefit of a long replacement wait.
@@tomoprime217 I had the "Total Tech" membership at BestBuy. However, I came to realize that if it's a manufacture defect within the first year, they just send it to Asus to get it repaired. However, I'd assume if the new one comes back and it's still broken they might go ahead and replace it, but I don't know for sure.
Were your benchmarks just you standing still for 30 seconds? You really should be doing repeatable benchmarks, as well as doing the runs more than once. Think the Cyberpunk or dirt 5 benchmark.
This will help get a greater set of data. This can be shown in your variance in subnautica. Going from 22-23 watts I believe it was? When doing a minimum of three runs (benchmarks) you can then average those out for a more "expected experience"
Working on a video now with 400+ tests, it's annoying but crucial imo.
Hey, thanks for swinging by. The purpose of this video is to show people how drastic the fall off is as you approach higher watts. I feel the small variance, that I noted in the video itself, isn't a big enough variance to affect or take away the main point of the video. Which is, the higher you push watts, the less return you get. It'd be about 900 videos if I ran the test 3 times, which doesn't seem necessary for this specific test.
@@filt3rless to each their own I suppose. I'd say that doing static comparisons, while good for changing around settings to see "changing x setting to medium" gives us "x" amount more/less FPS. Is still not very indicative of the relation to watts vs performance.
Battery life testing at preferred wattage levels would help as well (just as a side thing)
Actual gameplay elements would help as depending on the scene this can vary wildly.
Depending on what power is alloted to where (cpu/gpu) will have a huge effect. I'm sure you've noticed about 15 watts you will be gpu starved (only sitting around 800mhz etc) with only very certain circumstances see it come up above that.
You are right though it is a great quick look at how performance is not very "linear" as you go up in wattage.
I still would have liked to see an actual gameplay beat/benchmark though at minimum to help get a better sense of real world performance.
Benchmarks at your preferred settings would have been nice at the end. Perhaps running cyberpunk Benchmark then onto dirt 5 or another. It doesn't need to be every game but I still feel it's important to get actual gameplay data.
@@WinDeckTech I'm not sure how plausible it is to run benchmarks with the extremes in this test. We're talking about unplayability at the lower watts, and the tests need to be short enough that the temporary boost wattage above 30 doesn't come down before the benchmark is over. Even just doing 30 seconds I had to stop tests near the end, lower watts, then re-up the watts because boost had stopped.
The FPS for this test is almost irrelevant. Whether it's super intense graphics and it's only getting 40FPS or getting 500FPS, the size of the bars in correlation with the watts as they increase is the main point. That might change running actual benchmarks, but I doubt it would. It'd just be lower FPS values with almost identical size bars.
I do get the importance of benchmarks, which is why I run tri-splits and show the recordings. That's how I normally run tests, it's just this test is completely different and outside the normal "let's see how this game performs".
@@filt3rlessmaybe 30w manual tdp would be another option. The boost is so short, where 30w is more accurate of what you’ll expect while playing. I don’t really get why they use boost in the first place with how short it lasts. Ayaneo devices do the same thing with a 2w boost above what you set for 2 min. I always have to monitor until it’s holding what I set it at before testing.
@@okestgamer 100%, and I ran multiple benchmarks at tons of different wattages here on Bios 322 vs 323: th-cam.com/video/42gwCzmhdGw/w-d-xo.html. Since I've already tested that, this tests was specifically to help people find the watt value that works for them. My other videos of benchmarks really showcase how much watts affect performance as well as how games perform.
And yeah, I can't stand the boost wattage. I directly messaged Asus a couple months ago and said they should remove that as it could be causing the SD Card reader failure (before the acknowledge heat was the issue). Turning the fans up, but letting it get to 43 watts of boost doesn't make sense.
Great video, I've been using more than 30w in very heavy games, but 25w is the best choice if I play really connected... and I like to use 18w on battery...
Taking the opportunity to put these profiles that you suggested at the end of the video, what program are you using? The Armory itself?
Thanks, I'm using a program called G-Helper, I have a whole video about it in the description. It lets me setup as many custom watt profiles as I want and easily switch using just a button.
G-Helper all the way! Custom fan curves are a god send!
Nah, bro that thing is crying for help 😂 I play games like Elden ring, AC origins, Black myth Wukong etc at 30w and very high settings, no sound at all. Atleast go for the Ally X and you won’t have as much trouble with fans
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