I went to my local Nissan to look at the Kicks. After some bickering, the salesman tells me that i have to pay an additional $2500 for it. I tell him to keep it and walk away.
Thank You! I’m so tired of hearing the negatives of the CVT. Had one in a 2007 Sentra, have one in a 2016 Maxima that I’m still driving, ZERO problems with either. Honestly, CVT is nothing new….if you don’t like it, just buy another brand.
I knew when Sentra entry level price point was $20k plus that they price gauging us. The Altimas used to start at 20k, no surprise they’re killing those off.
and just like that, the bottom of the new car market is $30,000.... BEFORE taxes. You're looking at $40,000 for anything you might actually want. WHAT A JOKE. I'll never drive a new car again.
if he posted an SR what else does he expect the price to be for a fully loaded Kicks and two things that might just be that specific dealership and not all and sure enough he might get some incentive on the vehicle ... Furthermore the redesign just came out ... What more does he want off the vehicle ?? A Corolla Cross is basically higher for the base version and the HR-V following suite.
@@brokeboy87 Actually that's incorrect, there's a 1% "CAT" (Consumer/Corporate Activity Tax) imposed on vehicle sales, granted it's a lot less than California, but it's still exist. That's what you get when you vote for Democrats unfortunately, Lots of Regulations & Taxes.
You have to raise the prices of ICE vehicles to divert people into EV’s. Even if you can actually sell the ICE vehicles for less. But all it’s doing is making people hang on too their old cars longer. It’s mot so much greed as politics. If EV mandates are dropped, then ICE vehicles prices will drop.
Really thought I would like a Frontier. Could not find one that did not have at least $8k of dealer add ons. The worst dealer was charging $300 for nitrogen in the tires.
They killed the Versa and now priced this out of touch. And a dealership mark up. That's not happening here in Jersey but that dealership won't sell many cars. I'm guessing Nissan is out for me. Hopefully my Kia keeps rolling.
1) You don't have to add the pano roof premium package. 2) You can't count market adjustments, in fact per KBB the average Rogue transaction is $1600 below MSRP nationally. So they are dreaming!
That is absolutely not true. Most of the dealers in my area are ordering in S versions of the new Kicks. I can't even find an SR with a moonroof, and they only have a few SV versions. And the older SV or SR Kicks was not $20,000, and they did not sell many S versions. Everyone wanted SV or SR. The price also went up from 2023 to 2024 on the same, original model, partly because Nissan dealers in my area added on all kinds of crap to up the price. They did not do that when I bought my 2023 SV. All they added were mud flaps and floor and cargo mats when I bought my car. I do agree with you that the price went up, but it does have more features than the older models, features everyone insisted they wanted: AWD, a fold-down cup holder in the back, a panoramic moon roof, a 12-inch screen, an all-digital screen for the safety features, etc. I, personally, liked the lower price on my car. I have been waiting for the E-power version to finally make it to the U.S. as long as it works in the cold weather. The person below me that says the car is $40,000 does not know what he is talking about. He just made-up figures. But AWD and panoramic roofs are expensive on any car. I have done fine without AWD, and I live in the snowy Mid-West. People want all the features of a luxury car, but they don't want to pay for them. Many are still complaining the new Kicks does not have a power seat adjustment and a power rear-hatch door, and vents to the back are extra and only on SV models if I remember correctly. They want great gas mileage, but they want a car that goes 0-60 in six seconds. They want a turbo, but they want reliability. In short, people are irrational and can never be satisfied. It is pointless to try to satisfy them.
I’m shopping for an SR with premium package right now. There are tons of S trims, but in the whole city of Las Vegas where I live, there are only about 4 or 5 SR’s available fully loaded with moon roof. That’s between 4 dealerships. Looking at one tomorrow in the gun metal with red roof…..not my first choice, but, it’s got everything for 30,025. I already have a 2016 Maxima, and the Kicks SR has all the same safety features and then some, many nice luxury touches in the interior, and some very nice tech. So no automatic seat adjustment, back seat a/c vents….and no 300HP like on my Maxima, but I’m not buying the Kicks for speed. For an entry level car, you get a lot of bang for your buck. I don’t blame Nissan for keeping up with industry standards in their pricing. The car is still a good deal in an S trim. But if you want premium features, 30k is very reasonable in my opinion.
@@suz702 That is reasonable. In my area the price on the fully loaded, even without moonroof, is more than that. That's a good deal. And I like the gun metal with red roof. It makes the car look more expensive, more upscale. Yellow makes it look sporty. Good luck on your purchase. I have been happy with my Kicks. The trick is to accelerate slowly. It picks up speed faster as long as you don't try to gun it like most reviewers do. But it will be a bit change from 300 HP. I get excellent gas mileage, from 40-48 on the expressway, 29-36 around town.
@@Jan96106 well….me and the hubby headed over to the dealer and bought that Kicks SR yesterday. First of all, I’m really blown away by the car, it’s just fantastic! When we got to the dealer, the car ended up being gun metal with a gun metal roof so bye bye red roof, that was a little disappointing, however, the gun metal is metallic and really sparkles😁 To me the power of the car is just fine, merging on to the expressway like a champ. In fact, the ride reminds me of a 2007 Sentra I had that I just loved. We ended up paying 32k and change out the door. The dealer adds on a package that includes tinted windows, door guards, cup guards and wheel cover locks for 2k more, we negotiated it down to 699.00. Overall,we were satisfied with the deal. I highly recommend the Kicks!
The dealer in this case is the problem, not Nissan. Those markups aren't called for and I'd expect as those cars sit they'll fall off. Compared to most of the other cars in their segment Nissans can still be a bargain. Versa is leaving because people weren't buying them (until this year).
Great Vid, Newbie here, I like the off-road Rogue, very nice, although what's under the hood (bonnet) is a complete turn off along with no underneath protection, but it's appearance package makes the Rogue stand out as "Cool" with it's AWD...
Nissan has the tech to make legit off road vehicles. One of the dumbest things they did was get rid of the Xterra right before the off road craze. They could undercut Ford, Jeep, and Toyota by bringing it back and making it affordable. The Pathfinder was ruined as well.
Our Nissan dealer thankfully isn’t doing those adjustments. They are selling at or below MSRP from what I’ve seen and heard from people who purchased from them.
People complain, but they continue paying the price. Just do not do business with any dealers that add a "market adjustment." When they don't sell cars, they'll quit it
They killed the manual Versa. Literally the only cheap car left. I thought about buying one but I can't justify spending any large sum of money right now.
Just find a dealer without the market adjustment minus the premum packacge which arensome feutures you couldnt even get on thebold kicks and spend just over 24k with destination.
Agree. I thought maybe it was just the Kicks dealer was marking up. To see all cars with dealer mark up of $3000 just go to another dealer. Sure Nissan dealer be grateful to sell at msrp or close. If not I’d rather shop Mazda Honda Toyota anyway. The Kicks needs a year before I’d buy to see if Nissan can build a reliable crossover.
Nissan lost 99% of their profit, 38 dealers lost money, 8 closed. Their sales profit dropped to 1%. Previously, 42% of their sales were fleet. This is not sustainable. That with a complex VC turbo on the Rogue, that has had some problems, They did away with the turbo on the 2025 Altima. Nissan is not a good choice right now.
I browsed through a Toyota lot yesterday that didn't have a lot of cars out and one base Corolla with steelies was just a little over $22k. I remember ten years ago a base Camry was somewhere right around that price point and now they're like $28k and the quality isn't that great anymore either. I have noticed that with all of Toyota these last few years. Almost junk in my opinion everything is flimsy and chintzy. But I'd go with the Corolla if I had to over that Versa anyday or any Nissan for that matter.. that goes for Hyundai and Kia too.
Oh yeah. 8 years ago you could get a nice loaded up Highlander with pretty much all the goodies for around $45k and those vehicles at the time were right in the same league as any Lexus SUV in terms of quality. Now they are well over $55k and feel as flimsy as all get out and being over 4,000 pounds they are powered by a 4 cylinder of all choices. It's pathetic.@@revnation_auto
Then you have not checked NTSA, especially on the Corolla Cross but also the Corolla. Actually, the stopping for no reason at all is plaguing many Toyota models. Cross models are especially having problems. Everything on my Kicks works fine, trouble-free. That's how bad a car it is.
Base Corolla with steelies is 25-26k after you include destination here in Texas. Then you add sales tax, registration etc. and you get to almost 30k OTD for a base Corolla!
Yes I lived in Spain and Ireland and appreciated that fact. What I didn’t appreciate is being charged for ketchup and having bottled drinks constantly. No free water even though the water is clean. Creates such a massive amount of waste and costs. Second hand or defective items were still expensive. In Spain the government can take your home if you don’t stay there all the time. Ireland sold their economy to Apple and Google. The entire place is BS now. I left and went to Poland. Way better than any other EU country I spent any time in.
Nissan asking for a market adjustment. Lol. I don't know what state this is. But Nissan can't give that crap away here. They are begging people with dealer discounts and manufacturer incentives.
US$27,000 in 2024 money is equivalent to US$22,000 in 2019. Nissan has been pricing their cars too cheaply in North America for years. Since Nissan's US dealerships are fairly incompetent, they've been offered so much incentives, which nearly wiped out Nissan's profits in Apr-Jun 2024 quarter. While US inflation increased by 20% in the past 5 years, Nissan hasn't raised their cars enough to keep up with increasingly expensive labor, components, materials, infotainment, sensors, cameras, software, etc. To be honest, it's still a few thousand dollars lower than where it should be.
I refuse to pay "market adjustment" on any car. It was a scam when inventory was low, and an even bigger rip-off when inventory is up.
Yep it’s crap
I went to my local Nissan to look at the Kicks. After some bickering, the salesman tells me that i have to pay an additional $2500 for it. I tell him to keep it and walk away.
The new market adjustment would be minus -5000
That’s what it should be but clearly they are still getting away with it
CVT CVT CVT what the heck are ppl talking about !!! Had 7 Nissans and the current one for over 350,000 kms with zero trouble.
My understanding is that the CVT does fine with proper maintenance.
@@steven4315 They do ..
@@TinoMiller Problem is, many people think proper maintenance is to take the car to a oil change place when the change oil light comes on.
@@steven4315 exactly 👍🏻 and the service on Nissan are so easy and cheap to do!
Thank You! I’m so tired of hearing the negatives of the CVT. Had one in a 2007 Sentra, have one in a 2016 Maxima that I’m still driving, ZERO problems with either. Honestly, CVT is nothing new….if you don’t like it, just buy another brand.
I knew when Sentra entry level price point was $20k plus that they price gauging us. The Altimas used to start at 20k, no surprise they’re killing those off.
BAM!
@@nene5857 Honestly, I paid 16k out the door for an entry level Sentra in 2007. So 20k plus 17 years later sounds pretty reasonable.
and just like that, the bottom of the new car market is $30,000.... BEFORE taxes. You're looking at $40,000 for anything you might actually want. WHAT A JOKE. I'll never drive a new car again.
EVER!
That's only if you want/ need certain things in the car. People in Oregon don't pay sales tax, so they save even more on new vehicles.
@@brokeboy87 yeah but Oregon is a failed communist state
if he posted an SR what else does he expect the price to be for a fully loaded Kicks and two things that might just be that specific dealership and not all and sure enough he might get some incentive on the vehicle ... Furthermore the redesign just came out ... What more does he want off the vehicle ?? A Corolla Cross is basically higher for the base version and the HR-V following suite.
@@brokeboy87 Actually that's incorrect, there's a 1% "CAT" (Consumer/Corporate Activity Tax) imposed on vehicle sales, granted it's a lot less than California, but it's still exist. That's what you get when you vote for Democrats unfortunately, Lots of Regulations & Taxes.
You have to raise the prices of ICE vehicles to divert people into EV’s. Even if you can actually sell the ICE vehicles for less.
But all it’s doing is making people hang on too their old cars longer. It’s mot so much greed as politics.
If EV mandates are dropped, then ICE vehicles prices will drop.
BAM!!
I'm doing the same. Postponing buying a new car, hanging on to my reliable paid for one with 150,000 miles
Dealers are still doing "Market Adjustments"?
On New Models, why not?
@@gregholman2930 when nissan has triple digit days supply on the ground, surcharging won't help that situation.
20 more HP and $4,000 less and it would be fine. As it is it’s not fine
BAM!
Prices are only up 500 bucks. You can opt not to get the extra features.
Another greedy dealer.
Everybody has to make a buck.
Really thought I would like a Frontier. Could not find one that did not have at least $8k of dealer add ons. The worst dealer was charging $300 for nitrogen in the tires.
They killed the Versa and now priced this out of touch. And a dealership mark up. That's not happening here in Jersey but that dealership won't sell many cars. I'm guessing Nissan is out for me. Hopefully my Kia keeps rolling.
1) You don't have to add the pano roof premium package. 2) You can't count market adjustments, in fact per KBB the average Rogue transaction is $1600 below MSRP nationally. So they are dreaming!
Market Adjustment = How much can our greedy asses try to steal from your desire for a decent car! Greed never sleeps!!!
That is absolutely not true. Most of the dealers in my area are ordering in S versions of the new Kicks. I can't even find an SR with a moonroof, and they only have a few SV versions. And the older SV or SR Kicks was not $20,000, and they did not sell many S versions. Everyone wanted SV or SR. The price also went up from 2023 to 2024 on the same, original model, partly because Nissan dealers in my area added on all kinds of crap to up the price. They did not do that when I bought my 2023 SV. All they added were mud flaps and floor and cargo mats when I bought my car.
I do agree with you that the price went up, but it does have more features than the older models, features everyone insisted they wanted: AWD, a fold-down cup holder in the back, a panoramic moon roof, a 12-inch screen, an all-digital screen for the safety features, etc. I, personally, liked the lower price on my car. I have been waiting for the E-power version to finally make it to the U.S. as long as it works in the cold weather. The person below me that says the car is $40,000 does not know what he is talking about. He just made-up figures.
But AWD and panoramic roofs are expensive on any car. I have done fine without AWD, and I live in the snowy Mid-West. People want all the features of a luxury car, but they don't want to pay for them. Many are still complaining the new Kicks does not have a power seat adjustment and a power rear-hatch door, and vents to the back are extra and only on SV models if I remember correctly. They want great gas mileage, but they want a car that goes 0-60 in six seconds. They want a turbo, but they want reliability. In short, people are irrational and can never be satisfied. It is pointless to try to satisfy them.
I’m shopping for an SR with premium package right now. There are tons of S trims, but in the whole city of Las Vegas where I live, there are only about 4 or 5 SR’s available fully loaded with moon roof. That’s between 4 dealerships. Looking at one tomorrow in the gun metal with red roof…..not my first choice, but, it’s got everything for 30,025. I already have a 2016 Maxima, and the Kicks SR has all the same safety features and then some, many nice luxury touches in the interior, and some very nice tech. So no automatic seat adjustment, back seat a/c vents….and no 300HP like on my Maxima, but I’m not buying the Kicks for speed. For an entry level car, you get a lot of bang for your buck. I don’t blame Nissan for keeping up with industry standards in their pricing. The car is still a good deal in an S trim. But if you want premium features, 30k is very reasonable in my opinion.
@@suz702 That is reasonable. In my area the price on the fully loaded, even without moonroof, is more than that. That's a good deal. And I like the gun metal with red roof. It makes the car look more expensive, more upscale. Yellow makes it look sporty. Good luck on your purchase. I have been happy with my Kicks. The trick is to accelerate slowly. It picks up speed faster as long as you don't try to gun it like most reviewers do. But it will be a bit change from 300 HP. I get excellent gas mileage, from 40-48 on the expressway, 29-36 around town.
@@Jan96106 well….me and the hubby headed over to the dealer and bought that Kicks SR yesterday. First of all, I’m really blown away by the car, it’s just fantastic! When we got to the dealer, the car ended up being gun metal with a gun metal roof so bye bye red roof, that was a little disappointing, however, the gun metal is metallic and really sparkles😁
To me the power of the car is just fine, merging on to the expressway like a champ. In fact, the ride reminds me of a 2007 Sentra I had that I just loved. We ended up paying 32k and change out the door. The dealer adds on a package that includes tinted windows, door guards, cup guards and wheel cover locks for 2k more, we negotiated it down to 699.00. Overall,we were satisfied with the deal. I highly recommend the Kicks!
@@suz702 Congratulations and thanks for the info about the car. It sounds great and you got an excellent deal.
The dealer in this case is the problem, not Nissan. Those markups aren't called for and I'd expect as those cars sit they'll fall off. Compared to most of the other cars in their segment Nissans can still be a bargain. Versa is leaving because people weren't buying them (until this year).
Dealers still haven’t learned their lesson …..
They will learn eventually, greed doesn’t pay forever.
Great Vid, Newbie here, I like the off-road Rogue, very nice, although what's under the hood (bonnet) is a complete turn off along with no underneath protection, but it's appearance package makes the Rogue stand out as "Cool" with it's AWD...
Nissan has the tech to make legit off road vehicles. One of the dumbest things they did was get rid of the Xterra right before the off road craze. They could undercut Ford, Jeep, and Toyota by bringing it back and making it affordable. The Pathfinder was ruined as well.
Our Nissan dealer thankfully isn’t doing those adjustments. They are selling at or below MSRP from what I’ve seen and heard from people who purchased from them.
Of the last 5 Nissan dealerships I’ve been to, 4 were doing this nonsense.
People complain, but they continue paying the price. Just do not do business with any dealers that add a "market adjustment." When they don't sell cars, they'll quit it
They killed the manual Versa. Literally the only cheap car left. I thought about buying one but I can't justify spending any large sum of money right now.
@@raymond_sycamore I was looking at one until I discovered the ridiculous insurance on it.
Yep, I made another video about that.
CVT transmissions has been the down fall for Nissan !!
It’s something that gained too much popularity in the automotive industry. Many don’t want to spend the money to reverse it all.
Just find a dealer without the market adjustment minus the premum packacge which arensome feutures you couldnt even get on thebold kicks and spend just over 24k with destination.
Agree. I thought maybe it was just the Kicks dealer was marking up. To see all cars with dealer mark up of $3000 just go to another dealer. Sure Nissan dealer be grateful to sell at msrp or close. If not I’d rather shop Mazda Honda Toyota anyway. The Kicks needs a year before I’d buy to see if Nissan can build a reliable crossover.
Nissan lost 99% of their profit, 38 dealers lost money, 8 closed. Their sales profit dropped to 1%. Previously, 42% of their sales were fleet. This is not sustainable. That with a complex VC turbo on the Rogue, that has had some problems, They did away with the turbo on the 2025 Altima. Nissan is not a good choice right now.
Absolutely No on any kind of market adjustment. If anything, I’m looking to buy at no lower than invoice in this market.
I think they made new kicks so expensive,so that their 1.5 litre Rogue looks cheap now😅
3000 market adjustment! I like the car, but only at 3000 below MSRP.
$30K, plus the $3,500 TO $4,000 in dealer up charges.
Yep, it’s crap
A Nissan with a CVT... oh boy.
Yeah they’re not great
They have tried making improvements to it over the years.
No market adjustments for Nissan.Prise in the Nissan is 24000$.
In football they call this a Hail Mary, no wonder Nissan is in deep water and sinking.
I belive getta nissan in sarasota is giving 8-9k off of rogue platinum.
There are problems with the 2024 Sentra CVT that has them replacing transmissions on it and it can stall while you are driving, very dangerous!
Interesting, didn't know that, but not surprised.
Stupid dealer already assuming people will come in and pay the dumb market adjustment price. Fortunately dealer here in the Pocono's is not doing so.
I browsed through a Toyota lot yesterday that didn't have a lot of cars out and one base Corolla with steelies was just a little over $22k. I remember ten years ago a base Camry was somewhere right around that price point and now they're like $28k and the quality isn't that great anymore either. I have noticed that with all of Toyota these last few years. Almost junk in my opinion everything is flimsy and chintzy.
But I'd go with the Corolla if I had to over that Versa anyday or any Nissan for that matter.. that goes for Hyundai and Kia too.
I’ve seen Camrys that are up to $45k. It’s gross
Oh yeah. 8 years ago you could get a nice loaded up Highlander with pretty much all the goodies for around $45k and those vehicles at the time were right in the same league as any Lexus SUV in terms of quality.
Now they are well over $55k and feel as flimsy as all get out and being over 4,000 pounds they are powered by a 4 cylinder of all choices. It's pathetic.@@revnation_auto
Then you have not checked NTSA, especially on the Corolla Cross but also the Corolla. Actually, the stopping for no reason at all is plaguing many Toyota models. Cross models are especially having problems. Everything on my Kicks works fine, trouble-free. That's how bad a car it is.
TH-cam is censoring my reply back.. sorry.@@revnation_auto
Base Corolla with steelies is 25-26k after you include destination here in Texas. Then you add sales tax, registration etc. and you get to almost 30k OTD for a base Corolla!
Your US pricing politics are so funny, here in EU most prices include tax, even at McDonald's. Its so much easier then to compare cost.
Yes I lived in Spain and Ireland and appreciated that fact. What I didn’t appreciate is being charged for ketchup and having bottled drinks constantly. No free water even though the water is clean. Creates such a massive amount of waste and costs. Second hand or defective items were still expensive. In Spain the government can take your home if you don’t stay there all the time. Ireland sold their economy to Apple and Google. The entire place is BS now. I left and went to Poland. Way better than any other EU country I spent any time in.
If you see an additional dealer mark up, just walk away
Wheels got to go 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Too of the line nissan kicks was 27k and it wasnt as nkce as even this sv premium.
Nissan asking for a market adjustment. Lol. I don't know what state this is. But Nissan can't give that crap away here. They are begging people with dealer discounts and manufacturer incentives.
I know, Right?
Jetta over Versa all day long
Jetta’s have had their troubles over the years but seem quite a bit better now. I like the GLI 6mt
@@revnation_auto Would love for you to do a vid review on the '25 Jetta, I agree with the commenter, The New Jetta Looks Like A Cheap A4 Audi version!
41k for a rogue 🤮
Market Adjustment? Straight BS.
My neighbor just bought one for 26k after all fees
This Dealer just killed themselves with these Mark up. They really think buyers are stupid. Ops! i do. LOL!
Simple - DON’T BUY THEM!
Last versa 2019 was about 10 k that I bought now double no thanks
Run away from cars that have a cvt. Particularly Nissan.
BAM!
Subaru's sport linertronic CVT on the WRX is solid. I had a 2017 and bashed the hell out of for 55k miles with zero issues with a COBB stage 1 tune
My 2015 WRX manual was a pile of garbage. Never drove the auto.
US$27,000 in 2024 money is equivalent to US$22,000 in 2019. Nissan has been pricing their cars too cheaply in North America for years.
Since Nissan's US dealerships are fairly incompetent, they've been offered so much incentives, which nearly wiped out Nissan's profits in Apr-Jun 2024 quarter. While US inflation increased by 20% in the past 5 years, Nissan hasn't raised their cars enough to keep up with increasingly expensive labor, components, materials, infotainment, sensors, cameras, software, etc. To be honest, it's still a few thousand dollars lower than where it should be.
lol for 30k just get a rogue
Nissan Sucks Nissan Sucks 🎶🎶🎸
Fake news for Nissan.
Market Adjustment?! Those clowns are CRAZY!