Let me know what you guys think of this format. Like I said, I have a lot of extra footage that isn’t good enough for a feature video, but maybe good enough for something like this?
The thing I love the most about the ZL-1 is that it just looks like a base model Camaro...no loud colors, stripes, graphics, spoilers, SS badges,or fancy wheels or trim. Literally just what it needs to go faster. Definitely my style of muscle car and I'm a Mopar guy
They actually had some ZL1s rhat were optioned and even 2 with the rs package, craig jacksons is a cortez silver with vinyl roof and rs package, yes most looked base and thatd be enough for me, just pointing out how crazy some ZL1s can get, the lemans blue one with white vinyl rs package, rally stripes and white vinyl roof is my favorite ZL1 though it sold a few years back at mecum I believe.
I like a quickie a few times a week. But a good quality session always leaves me feeling more satisfied. I enjoy the videos that tell more details about each of the cars. The best of 3 drag races are always the cherry on top.
Cutting out the bread and getting to the meat. I like it. Also, I'm surprised that Mustang wasn't a Spoortroof model. It looks weird without it. Also, those 429 CJ's made more like 450 when revved above 6000.
The 429CJ engine was an available option for every flavor of 71 Mustang. That included Grande, hardtop, convertible, sportsroof and Mach 1. The fat-block was most common in the Mach 1. With just over 1860 429 cars made, any '71 Mustang with a 429 is a rare car. The hardtop, grande's and convertibles are EXTREMELY rare cars.
I knew this one wouldn't be close. I've seen these ZL1s run low elevens all day long with slicks. I've even seen one clock a 10.89 back in the late 80s.
I think your videos are great. Using the extra footage will make your vids even better. One of us may see a vehicle we once had of our own. Keep up the good work.
i was simply using the factory rating of the camaro. it's obvious it's more than 60 after watching the race and seeing the et and mph. if i'd said 130 more hp someone would've commented about that as well. it's all good, no problem.
i appreciate it. i'm not up to date on the legitimate current dyno testing. prior to the race, i would've estimated that 427 at about 460 to 470 hp and the 429 around 390 hp or so. i drove a 1970 torino cobra with the 429 cj ram air shaker, 4 speed and 3.91 rearend in about 1979 and it ran smooth and strong, but not overwhelming.
@@bobwhite5440 I agree Bob and the Camero ZL1 was running over 12-1 compression ratio also i thought the commentator was going to shoot his load over that Camero zl1
I like the quicky format, I also like when you tell in detail about certain cars including option prices. So keep both formats coming please and thank you!
Yeah man! Although I like your more in depth videos the world needs to see these! Good name for them too! I have to wonder why some of these cars are completely mismatched to run each other? I could have told you just by hearing what they had the Camaro was going to smoke the mustang! It's like putting a Ford escort up against a Lamborghini! They dont even have to race to know! Other than that, which I know wasn't up to you, everything I have seen of yours so far is great! Thanks for taking the time and energy to put these out!
Thanks for posting it. Even though I thought the Camaro would win it is still cool to see what these cars run because they are as old as me and the only ones I ever saw run are modified. 11's 50 years ago was fast a hell, and 12's were cool too. The drag race here didn't matter as much as just seeing what each car was good for on those old style tires. Appreciate it!
Who doesn’t like a quirky now and then? I have to say this race was a little unfair, not equally matched cars. The Mustang HP was about right but we all know the ZL1 was way underrated, it was running in the neighborhood of 450-460.
A better match would have been the SCJ which was about 425-430 hp. The 71 Stang is actually only a 100 pounds heavier than a 70 but the 71 is always thought of as gaining lots of weight. It had to be longer, wider, and heavier to accomodate the 429 engine.
Since most of us already know all the specs on these cars so the less time spent yapping about them and the more showing them go down the drag strip the better
That car actually runs low 11s fairly easily, but he has to let of the gas at the end of the run (or even hit the brakes!) so he doesn’t run under 11.5. If you run quicker you get kicked out (roll cage required under 11.5, and you can’t have a roll cage in a Pure Stock car).
I agree. That was one BAD machine. Couldn't believe it was beating that L88 Corvette. Probably weighed 800 lbs more than the Vette too. The owner of that Bee has that Hemi running absolutely perfect...like Maurice Petty tuned it
This abbreviated format is much better. I haven't heard anything in the long videos that I didn't already know or that wasn't of questionable validity.
I Love the 429-460 FORD Big Block Engines, Running a stroked 460 in my 86 Mustang, Before the Big Block i was running a Cleveland. In 1971 The Boss 351 Mustang was one of the quickest Ford's. It was quicker than the 429 Mustang. Believe it or Not. I Love the High Winding Cleveland, but the Low End Torque of my 521 Stroked 460 is hard to beat.
The outcome of this race was a foregone conclusion. The 429 super Cobra Jet was an high performance passenger car engine. The all aluminum ZL-1 was an full race engine from day one! No comparison! Poor Mustang got an massive dose of “Chevroligion”!!!
Milo Janis The ZL-1 is far from it like I said in the past go on TH-cam dream car garage musclecar shoot out and you’ll see with big blocks used to run from that era
Big block 472 That zl-1 was far from stock no 69 ZL one would run those type of times a modern day ZL1 with 650 hp runs those times if not better a 69 ZL-1 with advertised 430 hp now if you want to say that was underrated it’s more like 500 hp but remember that was gross horsepower not net so that translates to a lot less horsepower to the rear wheels i’m thinking about 320 stock
Most guys that view your vids already know( I think) most of the specs on the cars that you feature -at least I do, as a result I prefer your shorter vids - JMO of course.
The longer videos are mainly to draw in newcomers. Interest in muscle cars is starting to die, so I hope to give it more exposure and get new people interested.
Id like to see a zl1 vs zl1. 1969 vs 2019 go head to head. I know the 2019 would slaughter it, but maybe not by as much as we think! That time right there was very similar to what a 2012 zl1 would get.
The 69 Camaro ZL-1 is probably my favorite Chevy ever made and also the baddest BowTie of the muscle car era. Never cared much for the 71-73 Mustang body style but I wouldn't mind owning a 71 BOSS 351...probably Ford's meanest small block
I was a senior at USC in '71 and I had a friend who had a Boss 351. He got that right after he blew up his Boss 429----his father owned three dealerships!
The Muscrat shoulda had a "Super" Cobra Jet 429, toploader, and a set of slicks...to even out the playing field. Of course, with a driver that knew how to row that 4 spd. Keep them videos coming. :)
That works out to ~270hp at the wheels for the 429 and 365hp for the 427. That's quite a mis-match lol. More like 360bhp and 485bhp for people that can't work with wheel HP.
I don't like how short the video was. I also didn't like that it wasn't a three-way drag race. Please don't do this again, because I love this channel! ❤️
I work for Ford. But I know Ford ain't keeping up with any Chevy. Chevrolet definitely got the performance advantage, not to mention, looks, longevity, and fuel mileage. There is a reason I work for Ford, job security.
I saw that coming lol I was unfortunate enough to own one of those EXTRA LARGE Mustangs smh they were junk for a bunch of reasons. In just 3 months, I sold that pos.
Let me guess, you had distibutor, ignition timing, fuel ratio issues and maybe encountered vapor lock? Ford's were pure crap in the Sixties and Seventies
@@tskraj3190 Wow, I am not a Ford fan, but my cousins 70 Boss 302 was a fabulous little car! I guess if you build enough, you have to get the odd good one!
@@nathanadrian7797 It really depends on which plant built the V8. Windsors were more reliable but weren't Ford's top end high performance. Clevelands were fast but tended to have all of the issues I listed above. That really is the reason why you don't see older Fords on the road with their original non-rebuilt engine excluding Ford Inline 6 engines.
Run a 13.76 and still come in 2nd by over 1.5 sec. I figured the ZL-1 would win but I did not expect such utter destruction. Great video. PS: I tend to be more of a Ford guy but sometimes you just got to tip your hat to greatness. The result here explains why ZL-1 prices at auction (rarity of model understood) are stratospheric.
All your videos should have your commentary no matter what. Great stuff. I think you should dub in your commentary on vids that don’t have it. It seems so obvious.
So, it wasn't out classin the Stang enough by puttin out 150 more horses but 3-4oo less lbs? Sshheeesh!💦 Ok...lets see a real 427 1965 SC cobra against any Sting- Ray, alright?? ...im waitin
@@kos2318 Correction; the BEST performance small block, anywhere!! HOT ROD magazine(I can't remember the date) Cover; the most horse power per cubic inch on a carburated gasoline engine. Have doubts? Ok, What engine dominated early Pro Stock racing, till Sanctioning bodies penalized the comet's, Mavricks, & pintos with weight restrictions & wheel base rules? Anybody remember a certain 4dr Mavrick that beat ANYTHING & EVERY THING that came up against it? And do we have to get into why restrictor plates came into play at NASCAR TRACKS to keep one engine from becoming a monopoly? The answer to these inquiring questions... Drum roll...the 351c. Thank you very much. 😁
The Mustang should have been the 429 SCJ which and solid lifers vs the 429 CJ which had hydraulic lifters and a better driver. Although the the Mustang still had the weight disadvantage with the 429 block having cast iron block, heads and intake manifold, against the 427 ZL1 block, heads and intake manifold being aluminum.
He ran 11.94 against a 340 Duster. Run under 11.50 and you are kicked out. All he had to do was win. I would venture to say it has more in it and is likely under that 11.50, he doesn't want to do that here.
I know the guy. Its run 11:58 this year at Norwalk. He also has a 71 340 wedge. Black/ white strip/Orange int. Runs 12:0s in pure stock also. Runs with. The 70 yenko cream L-t1 nova. See if u got any video on that. Thanks
Question, I had a 1970 RRunner-383 Magnum, Why does it seem GM & Mopar constantly beat Fords in q uarter miles ,,Ford had some great engines but almost always got beat by GM’s& Mopars?
I owned a 1971 429 Super Cobra Jet Mach 1 4speed 4.11 Detroit Locker Mustang. The car weighed 3880 lbs without a driver on the NHR scales at Warner Robbins Dragstrip. The car ran 13.30 to 13.40 at 104/105 mph in showroom stock trim and I didn't lose races to GM or Mopar !!! I converted the car to NHRA Stock Eliminator specs and set the NHRA national record in D/S at 10.86 @ 121.87 mph weighing a legal 3780 lbs. Just Sayin!!!!!!
He said the Ford was a Cobra jet, not Super Cobra Jet which would have made a more fair match up,or how about the Boss 429? That was Chevy's top rare all aluminum package all race so people let's be more fair
I don't think there is that much difference in the weight, the coups didn't weigh as much as the fastback. the camero was basically a factory race car but the 429 could get the same mods and probably run with it.
yes stock but some had more mods than others bigger cam better intake and so on, not making excuses for the Ford , they just didn't make them as hot as they could or should have.
Cars And Zebras Car and driver 1971 tested 429 cobra jet mustang loaded with an automatic and the best time they were able to get was a 14.6 so you’re going to need more than just a few mods to be able to get it into the 12s
that's exactly what I mean yes probably more than a few mod, whatever, my point is the camero was a factory race car more or less if you put the same mods on the 429 with the same weight car it would be competitive.
Don't stop amigo as I love my '69 SS, si only a 350 but matching numbers and other unique factory extras. In this case, I knew the Camaro would win, sin dudas.
I had a picture of the ZL1 motor clipped from an issue of Super Chevy in the outside pocket of my binder in high school. I didnt have a favorite car. These days my favorite American iron is the Buick Stage 1 455, cuz i can actually have one, its just a shame it cant have the breathing potential of BBC heads.
Funny reading some of these comments. A 14 second street car was considered fast in my day but for a few thousand more you could buy a 13 second car and from there you had to build your own to get into the 12’s, 11’s and so on. I don’t want much though, just a car that can wheelie through the stop lights at the end of my street. 😃👍
Let me know what you guys think of this format. Like I said, I have a lot of extra footage that isn’t good enough for a feature video, but maybe good enough for something like this?
I vote yes for more "quickies".
I like both the long and detailed videos and these! Keep up the great videos! Some of my favorites on youtube
Why not a 69 mustang or a 71 Camaro
Boss Ford: Dude, I don’t set up the races, I just film them.
Thats cool the quickies are great so someone might see themselves....I still like the old style but yea do both I think you had a great idea.
The thing I love the most about the ZL-1 is that it just looks like a base model Camaro...no loud colors, stripes, graphics, spoilers, SS badges,or fancy wheels or trim. Literally just what it needs to go faster. Definitely my style of muscle car and I'm a Mopar guy
GM didn't want them to sell, they just wanted them on the option sheet.
Not much slower than the new ZL1'S
They actually had some ZL1s rhat were optioned and even 2 with the rs package, craig jacksons is a cortez silver with vinyl roof and rs package, yes most looked base and thatd be enough for me, just pointing out how crazy some ZL1s can get, the lemans blue one with white vinyl rs package, rally stripes and white vinyl roof is my favorite ZL1 though it sold a few years back at mecum I believe.
enjoy the short videos too, don't delete them, we'll take the short ones too!
I’ll keep them coming then!
Keep the Quickies,love seeing these cars.12.19 on those tires Incredible!
👍, he can actually run that car into the high 11s sometimes.
Oh he backed off 1/2 way down.
Yeah that thing could be mid 11’s with tires
Too bad it isn’t even close to a stock zl1 not even close
@@CoyoteFTW how so?
Man thanks for sharing all these. I love the classic car races.
No problem, I’ll keep them coming!
Cars And Zebras Thank you sir.
I like a quickie a few times a week. But a good quality session always leaves me feeling more satisfied. I enjoy the videos that tell more details about each of the cars. The best of 3 drag races are always the cherry on top.
Cutting out the bread and getting to the meat. I like it.
Also, I'm surprised that Mustang wasn't a Spoortroof model. It looks weird without it. Also, those 429 CJ's made more like 450 when revved above 6000.
Yes, it’s an interesting look for the Mustang. Thanks for watching!
The 429CJ engine was an available option for every flavor of 71 Mustang. That included Grande, hardtop, convertible, sportsroof and Mach 1. The fat-block was most common in the Mach 1. With just over 1860 429 cars made, any '71 Mustang with a 429 is a rare car. The hardtop, grande's and convertibles are EXTREMELY rare cars.
I knew this one wouldn't be close. I've seen these ZL1s run low elevens all day long with slicks. I've even seen one clock a 10.89 back in the late 80s.
I think your videos are great. Using the extra footage will make your vids even better. One of us may see a vehicle we once had of our own. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, I appreciate that! I’ve got of extra footage, and I didn’t want to delete it!
Every thing should get viewed.
That’s kind of my thoughts, but you never know.
yep, that's what i thought 60 hp and 200 pound weight advantage would look like.
i was simply using the factory rating of the camaro. it's obvious it's more than 60 after watching the race and seeing the et and mph. if i'd said 130 more hp someone would've commented about that as well. it's all good, no problem.
i appreciate it. i'm not up to date on the legitimate current dyno testing. prior to the race, i would've estimated that 427 at about 460 to 470 hp and the 429 around 390 hp or so. i drove a 1970 torino cobra with the 429 cj ram air shaker, 4 speed and 3.91 rearend in about 1979 and it ran smooth and strong, but not overwhelming.
@@bobwhite5440 I agree Bob and the Camero ZL1 was running over 12-1 compression ratio also i thought the commentator was going to shoot his load over that Camero zl1
the zl1 camaro is essentially a copo or a yenko. the 429 mustang is a bonafide street muscle car.
@Moon Pie lmfao @ the most powerful factory engine...That genius goes to the 427 SOHC Ford.
I like the quicky format, I also like when you tell in detail about certain cars including option prices. So keep both formats coming please and thank you!
Excellent! Amazing to see what a car as rare as that ZL-1 can do in a real race. Wow, that quick on those tires!
Original testing showed with headers and slicks they were well into the 11s!
I say quickies and regular. I love the commentary, stats and all. Great idea! Look forward to both!
I’ll do both then!
Any of these videos that depict vintage rivals with accurate results is fantastic.
I never get tired of watching these videos 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching!
I Love your channel, show all your videos. Cars and Zebras is one of the best Muscle Car channels on TH-cam. Thanks for all the great videos!!
Yeah man! Although I like your more in depth videos the world needs to see these! Good name for them too! I have to wonder why some of these cars are completely mismatched to run each other? I could have told you just by hearing what they had the Camaro was going to smoke the mustang! It's like putting a Ford escort up against a Lamborghini! They dont even have to race to know! Other than that, which I know wasn't up to you, everything I have seen of yours so far is great! Thanks for taking the time and energy to put these out!
No problem! This was a time-trial race, so just for fun.
@@CarsAndZebras ok that makes sense
I love them either way, quickies or not so quick. Keep ‘em coming!
Will do!
I like the quicky, and also the full deal, especially the extra info on the rare and off big 3 brands, Studebaker, Rambler, etc. IT'S ALL GOOD !!!
I’ll keep them coming! I’ve got some really interesting Studebaker stuff coming in the future.
I've seen 308 hudsons clean corvette noses, 3'' bore 5'' stroke,they all ran if massaged,american iron runs hard
Just subbed! like the quickie, awesome old cars👍
There will be plenty more!
Thanks for posting it. Even though I thought the Camaro would win it is still cool to see what these cars run because they are as old as me and the only ones I ever saw run are modified. 11's 50 years ago was fast a hell, and 12's were cool too. The drag race here didn't matter as much as just seeing what each car was good for on those old style tires. Appreciate it!
Thanks! I thought the same thing. What’s most interesting is seeing what these cars can really do.... not necessarily the winner.
I like the quick clip.. Keep it up.
Will do! 😎
Nice. That is how a stock ZL-1 ought to run. So often, I think they are babied, being rare, bazillion dollar artifacts.
Love the new format absolutely nailed it 👍
I’ll keep them coming!
I like the added info and specs from the longer video. Keep up the good work
I like the short clips with basic info and then to the race.👍🏻
Who would of guessed ?? More power , less weight would win . The Mustang was out gunned clearly.
Typical fordtard,more cubic inch and a big mouth gets you no where
Who doesn’t like a quirky now and then? I have to say this race was a little unfair, not equally matched cars. The Mustang HP was about right but we all know the ZL1 was way underrated, it was running in the neighborhood of 450-460.
A better match would have been the SCJ which was about 425-430 hp. The 71 Stang is actually only a 100 pounds heavier than a 70 but the 71 is always thought of as gaining lots of weight. It had to be longer, wider, and heavier to accomodate the 429 engine.
I like the new format.
Since most of us already know all the specs on these cars so the less time spent yapping about them and the more showing them go down the drag strip the better
I enjoy the talking about the cars
The fastest car I have seen on this channel is that 68 superbee Hemi 11.57 that's Nutz
That car actually runs low 11s fairly easily, but he has to let of the gas at the end of the run (or even hit the brakes!) so he doesn’t run under 11.5. If you run quicker you get kicked out (roll cage required under 11.5, and you can’t have a roll cage in a Pure Stock car).
I agree. That was one BAD machine. Couldn't believe it was beating that L88 Corvette. Probably weighed 800 lbs more than the Vette too. The owner of that Bee has that Hemi running absolutely perfect...like Maurice Petty tuned it
It was 11.18 at 124.5 mph
@@CarsAndZebras thats a very stupid rule..its only for that track?
Keep the short videos. We all enjoy a quickie from time to time! :)
I like it both ways...long n short versions. Thanks for the vids.
This abbreviated format is much better. I haven't heard anything in the long videos that I didn't already know or that wasn't of questionable validity.
Love your Cars & Zebras quickies!
Not a thing wrong with this style video! Keep them coming!
Keep them coming !! Love these videos !! Shows me more history on gm and mopar !
Love the new format better
Great race, that Camaro was hot !
Looks pretty good in silver!
I Love the 429-460 FORD Big Block Engines, Running a stroked 460 in my 86 Mustang, Before the Big Block i was running a Cleveland. In 1971 The Boss 351 Mustang was one of the quickest Ford's. It was quicker than the 429 Mustang. Believe it or Not. I Love the High Winding Cleveland, but the Low End Torque of my 521 Stroked 460 is hard to beat.
The outcome of this race was a foregone conclusion. The 429 super Cobra Jet was an high performance passenger car engine. The all aluminum ZL-1 was an full race engine from day one! No comparison! Poor Mustang got an massive dose of “Chevroligion”!!!
Hell yeah we want the QUICKIE VIDEOS.....Who doesn't love a QUICKIE ?????
I liked it, short and sweet and to the point.👍👍
Did anyone here NOT think that Camaro was gonna eat his lunch?
Yeah especially when the mustang is close to stock and The ZL-1 is nowhere near close to stock
@@kos2318 Actually the 12.19 time is slower than what Hot Rod rated them - 11.3 @130MPH in the quarter mile...
Milo Janis The ZL-1 is far from it like I said in the past go on TH-cam dream car garage musclecar shoot out and you’ll see with big blocks used to run from that era
Steve Kostura You're simply WRONG. With just headers and drag slicks the ZL1 ran 11.6 sec ET. This car was STOCK.
Big block 472 That zl-1 was far from stock no 69 ZL one would run those type of times a modern day ZL1 with 650 hp runs those times if not better a 69 ZL-1 with advertised 430 hp now if you want to say that was underrated it’s more like 500 hp but remember that was gross horsepower not net so that translates to a lot less horsepower to the rear wheels i’m thinking about 320 stock
Most guys that view your vids already know( I think) most of the specs on the cars that you feature -at least I do, as a result I prefer your shorter vids - JMO of course.
The longer videos are mainly to draw in newcomers. Interest in muscle cars is starting to die, so I hope to give it more exposure and get new people interested.
I like the videos both ways. Love seeing the cars of the good ol days
Id like to see a zl1 vs zl1. 1969 vs 2019 go head to head. I know the 2019 would slaughter it, but maybe not by as much as we think!
That time right there was very similar to what a 2012 zl1 would get.
I don’t think I have that, but I do somewhere have a new ZL-1 vs a Hemi Super Bee. Eventually I’ll get to it
I'm just watching this now but an excellent format of quick information and then the drag race. Quick and simple like a......😂
Like this format as well
another good video! 2 thumbs up!👍👍
I’m giving your comment 3 thumbs up 👍👍👍
The 69 Camaro ZL-1 is probably my favorite Chevy ever made and also the baddest BowTie of the muscle car era. Never cared much for the 71-73 Mustang body style but I wouldn't mind owning a 71 BOSS 351...probably Ford's meanest small block
The 71 Boss 351 was the most powerful small block of the muscle car era.
I was a senior at USC in '71 and I had a friend who had a Boss 351. He got that right after he blew up his Boss 429----his father owned three dealerships!
Thanks good enough for me.
That’s what she said 🤣
I have a 1971 mach one fast back. So this was very nice to see . Not many videos on 71 fords.
The Muscrat shoulda had a "Super" Cobra Jet 429, toploader, and a set of slicks...to even out the playing field. Of course, with a driver that knew how to row that 4 spd. Keep them videos coming. :)
Will do!
I love this particular video
Any drag race is fun to watch
Definitely like these videos. Keep ‘em coming. 👍
Will do!
That works out to ~270hp at the wheels for the 429 and 365hp for the 427. That's quite a mis-match lol. More like 360bhp and 485bhp for people that can't work with wheel HP.
It's just math. If you know the formula, it's easy. And these days, formulas are easy to find.
I love your vids and will do my best to promote your channel. Keep up the good work and hope 2020 will be a banner year for you.
I appreciate that, and thanks for watching!
Thank you for answering my comment.
I like both long, an short. But really prefer long one best. Thanks for info on the cars.
Damn that Camaro is doing 12s that quick even for todays standards
I don't like how short the video was. I also didn't like that it wasn't a three-way drag race. Please don't do this again, because I love this channel! ❤️
Love the footage!!! A super snake vs that camaro would be THE race to make....also the Dodge Dart that was also ment to compete.....
Short and sweet! Keepem’ comin’
I'm and old fart. Love it brother. I had seen a pickup stock ZL1 no badging except under the hood! Chevy would do that as we see!
I work for Ford. But I know Ford ain't keeping up with any Chevy. Chevrolet definitely got the performance advantage, not to mention, looks, longevity, and fuel mileage. There is a reason I work for Ford, job security.
Loved it!
I saw that coming lol I was unfortunate enough to own one of those EXTRA LARGE Mustangs smh they were junk for a bunch of reasons. In just 3 months, I sold that pos.
What sort of issues did you have?
Let me guess, you had distibutor, ignition timing, fuel ratio issues and maybe encountered vapor lock? Ford's were pure crap in the Sixties and Seventies
@@tskraj3190 Wow, I am not a Ford fan, but my cousins 70 Boss 302 was a fabulous little car! I guess if you build enough, you have to get the odd good one!
@@nathanadrian7797 It really depends on which plant built the V8. Windsors were more reliable but weren't Ford's top end high performance. Clevelands were fast but tended to have all of the issues I listed above. That really is the reason why you don't see older Fords on the road with their original non-rebuilt engine excluding Ford Inline 6 engines.
@@jquest43 I had 5 of them. 302 Cleveland, 351 Cleveland, 351 Modified 400B, 351 Modified 400M and 400 Cleveland. They were pieces of shit.
Run a 13.76 and still come in 2nd by over 1.5 sec. I figured the ZL-1 would win but I did not expect such utter destruction. Great video. PS: I tend to be more of a Ford guy but sometimes you just got to tip your hat to greatness. The result here explains why ZL-1 prices at auction (rarity of model understood) are stratospheric.
I like it! What's the point of a drag race but to be more quickie, right?
mate post everything up ..... muscle cars drag racing are what we want to see !
Leave em all up or make another playlist and call it "Muscle Shorts" or Something like that...Or Low Compression Muscle or whatever...
Good idea about the playlist… Maybe I’ll call it, “muscle squirts.”
Either way, the videos are good.👍
Ok, now I’ll really have to dig into my obscure database. 😆
All your videos should have your commentary no matter what. Great stuff. I think you should dub in your commentary on vids that don’t have it. It seems so obvious.
So, it wasn't out classin the Stang enough by puttin out 150 more horses but 3-4oo less lbs? Sshheeesh!💦
Ok...lets see a real 427 1965
SC cobra against any Sting-
Ray, alright??
...im waitin
And you’ll probably wait a long time since the real SC Cobras are over 1 million dollars! 🤣
@@CarsAndZebras
Well we all know what that out come would be, so let's try the 71 Boss 351 vs 71 Z28
Guy Neault A butthurt fanboy I see😆
Guy Neault The boss 351 was one of the best high-performance engines Ford ever made
@@kos2318
Correction; the BEST performance small block, anywhere!!
HOT ROD magazine(I can't remember the date)
Cover; the most horse power per cubic inch on a carburated gasoline engine. Have doubts? Ok,
What engine dominated
early Pro Stock racing, till
Sanctioning bodies penalized the comet's, Mavricks, & pintos with weight restrictions & wheel base rules? Anybody remember a certain 4dr Mavrick that beat ANYTHING & EVERY THING that came up against it?
And do we have to get into
why restrictor plates came into play at NASCAR TRACKS to keep one engine from becoming a monopoly?
The answer to these inquiring questions...
Drum roll...the 351c.
Thank you very much. 😁
The Mustang should have been the 429 SCJ which and solid lifers vs the 429 CJ which had hydraulic lifters and a better driver. Although the the Mustang still had the weight disadvantage with the 429 block having cast iron block, heads and intake manifold, against the 427 ZL1 block, heads and intake manifold being aluminum.
LOL, I guessed a low 12's for the Carmaro and high 13's for the Mustang! I have to admit it was a pretty good guess!!
The ZL-1 usually runs high 11s (not today though)... but yeah, still a good guess 😁
He ran 11.94 against a 340 Duster. Run under 11.50 and you are kicked out. All he had to do was win. I would venture to say it has more in it and is likely under that 11.50, he doesn't want to do that here.
Nice absolutely sweet
Thanks for watching!
@@CarsAndZebras yw🕺🤘🤠🏴☠️
I like the quicky...that Camaro is crazy cool!!
The 1 guy in the stands witnessed GM destroy Ford with 427 cubic inches of Gods grace!
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Technically I was there as well, so that makes two of us. He and I are pretty much best friends now.
@@CarsAndZebras awsome!
keep it up.... never stop
I’ll try!
Pretty much what I would have expected!
👍, excellent. Short and to the point . If it gives us more content then DO IT!
PURE MUSCLE 🏆
Quickies are good, just keep it up.
Put up some. Video on the purple 70r/t. 440 6-pack changller please!
Oh, don't worry. It's coming in the future
I know the guy. Its run 11:58 this year at Norwalk. He also has a 71 340 wedge. Black/ white strip/Orange int. Runs 12:0s in pure stock also. Runs with. The 70 yenko cream L-t1 nova. See if u got any video on that. Thanks
I’ve got videos on all of them... well, I’m not sure about the wedge
Question, I had a 1970 RRunner-383 Magnum, Why does it seem GM & Mopar constantly beat Fords in q uarter miles ,,Ford had some great engines but almost always got beat by GM’s& Mopars?
That’s true, but I guess I never thought about why.
I owned a 1971 429 Super Cobra Jet Mach 1 4speed 4.11 Detroit Locker Mustang. The car weighed 3880 lbs without a driver on the NHR scales at Warner Robbins Dragstrip. The car ran 13.30 to 13.40 at 104/105 mph in showroom stock trim and I didn't lose races to GM or Mopar !!! I converted the car to NHRA Stock Eliminator specs and set the NHRA national record in D/S at 10.86 @ 121.87 mph weighing a legal 3780 lbs. Just Sayin!!!!!!
Classic feud!! Camaro vs. Mustang!!
Keep em coming
Are you sure that this isn't a "quickie" bc between the shame and needed repairs, that Ford couldn't make it for a second race?😏😏😏
LMAO
Love that ZL1
lol unobtanium ZL1 on required race gas vs ordinary 429 daily driver.
He said the Ford was a Cobra jet, not Super Cobra Jet which would have made a more fair match up,or how about the Boss 429? That was Chevy's top rare all aluminum package all race so people let's be more fair
Rich Shoemaker Have you ever heard the adage, "Run what ya brung?"
I don't think there is that much difference in the weight, the coups didn't weigh as much as the fastback. the camero was basically a factory race car but the 429 could get the same mods and probably run with it.
The 429, even in ‘71, was no joke! And you’re right, a few mods I’m sure it’d see the high 12 range.
The 429 Cobra Jet was a factory high performance motor just like Chevy's 427. Both are stock.
yes stock but some had more mods than others bigger cam better intake and so on, not making excuses for the Ford , they just didn't make them as hot as they could or should have.
Cars And Zebras Car and driver 1971 tested 429 cobra jet mustang loaded with an automatic and the best time they were able to get was a 14.6 so you’re going to need more than just a few mods to be able to get it into the 12s
that's exactly what I mean yes probably more than a few mod, whatever, my point is the camero was a factory race car more or less if you put the same mods on the 429 with the same weight car it would be competitive.
Yes more of this please
Don't stop amigo as I love my '69 SS, si only a 350 but matching numbers and other unique factory extras. In this case, I knew the Camaro would win, sin dudas.
1 and done. Great video. You need a golden globe or like a youtubey recognition award
ZL1 King of the muscle car's
I love quickies!
I had a picture of the ZL1 motor clipped from an issue of Super Chevy in the outside pocket of my binder in high school. I didnt have a favorite car. These days my favorite American iron is the Buick Stage 1 455, cuz i can actually have one, its just a shame it cant have the breathing potential of BBC heads.
Funny reading some of these comments. A 14 second street car was considered fast in my day but for a few thousand more you could buy a 13 second car and from there you had to build your own to get into the 12’s, 11’s and so on. I don’t want much though, just a car that can wheelie through the stop lights at the end of my street. 😃👍