What do you guys think of these two cars? A monster vs a demon! The ZL-1 is incredibly rare and doesn't need much introduction. Those Demon/Dusters horsepower ratings were significantly underrated. I still think that the Demon and Duster 340s are the best value for muscle cars right now - great examples are affordable... and fast.
I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. Man I miss that car. Even the low compression 1972-73 340 was a screamer. The 340 Demon/Duster was probably the quickest car you could still buy in the 1972-74 era other than a 73-74 SD455 Trans Am. Neither Ford or Chevy had anything as quick as a 340 Demon/Duster in 1972-73 or a 360 Duster/Dart Sport in 1974
Marlon Medina even though the 340 Dart had half the torque that the rear ZL1 Super Camaro did, the Dodge 340 gave that 400 thousand dollar Chevy all it wanted. And even beat it 1/8 of a mile half the distance.
I love those 340 Dart's, Demon's, and Duster's. I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. The 340 was an absolute screamer and those cars were so light that they were definitely capable of embarrassing many of the more expensive big block cars of the day. Those 340 powered Mopar's and the Chevy Nova SS 350's are probably the best value on the muscle car market right now
AZ Independent my first car was a 1972 Plymouth Cuda 340c.i. I raced my friends 73 Firebird Formula 400c.i. At a 50 mph tromp the Firebird pulled about 2 car links and they were 4 people in my Plymouth and only 2 people in his but at 90 mph I caught him and passed him at about 110, I kept it floored to 130 and let off the gas, I remember the white skipped lines on the interstate looked like a solid line at that speed. That was September of 1978 I was 17 years old and no speed rated tires and wasn’t wearing seatbelts looking back it scares me at 58 years old what’s bad is when you’re 17 and your friends are telling you to get him and you can hear your dads voice in your mind when he told you don’t be jerking that car around and at 17 I didn’t realize at the time those 3 kids lives and mine were in my hands. Thank you Jesus for watching over us.
My 69 Dodge Dart Swinger with a 340 4 speed and a low gear posi track was as fast as I wanted to go. I only added headers for a little more horsepower and sound. I would love to have that car now!
Love darts, demons & dusters, and the 340 has always punched way above it's weight as we saw right there. I had a 70 duster and was a very quick car. I love all that old Detroit iron, but the Mopars always did it for me and are my favorite. The ZL1 is a beast and have always liked the 67-69 camaro, but got ugly and plastic looking after that
Steve Kostura I had a 1972 Plymouth Cuda in 1978 it was my first car and that car was strong for what it was. I was 17 that Plymouth beat a 70 Mach 1, a 73 Firebird Formula 400, a 71 GTO, 78 Trans/Am 403, a 71 SS 396 Chevelle a 78 Z/28, a 73 Cougar 351.
The Demon makes me remember my neighbor's 1970 Plymouth Duster...it was such an exotic car to my 8-year old self...specially because they were never officially sold here in Brazil, so finding one was like finding a needle in the haystack. His car was mean as hell, in a dark grey color, he later repainted it in a pastel yellow, which IMO didn't look as good as the grey...but still badass nonetheless, with the matte black hood and big, 265/40VR16 rear tires, specific for racing, which were like a Formula 1's to me, lol! His car had a "humble" 318, properly upgraded with tons of goodies. I don't remember the full list, but among them was a 750-cfm Holley 4bbl Double Pump, Edelbrock intake, M/T valve covers, etc...also had a nasty idle, likely got a big cam and if the heads weren't a set of Edelbrocks as well, they were at least ported and polished. He said it was putting out about 360 hp. That was in 1998/1999. I don't know if he bought the car new or used, but up to this day, he still owns the car and has owned it since before I was born, probably well over 30 years now.
Probably a 340 cylinder head swap too, also, bigger cams were probably on the list, it's hard to see those cars here in Brazil, my father had a 73/74 Dart Sedan that I've loved since I was a kid
Dam 7k for a new zl1 back then that would definitely be one of my three wishes go back in 1969 with today’s money and bring back a couple of these things really enjoy these videos good stuff 👍🏼
Even today just the engine using an aftermarket block would likely set up back over $10k, the GM crate version sold for $25k. A bit crazy as you could an all aluminum stoker 540 625hp pump gas friendly for around $16k. The blocks alone sell for around 5k and can support as much as 632ci.
If you could go back to "69, nost likely there would be too many other distractions and you still wouldn't get the car, but maybe you would have got a big block station wagon, yanked the engine and stuffed into a 70's Vega? Wheelie time!
Actual dyno numbers for 340 engines were more like 320hp/360tq for the four barrel and 350hp/380tq. The 340s were severely underrated from the factory, presumably to prevent cannibalization from the 383's sales. 4 speed cars with a 4.10 routinely ran mid 13s with the autos running high 13s/14.0 on crappy tires of the day. The 68 four speed cars had the hottest cam with 276/284 duration and .444/.453 lift. The autos got a milder cam although they were all rated "275hp" with a four barrel carb. There's a lot of ignorance and misinformation in the comments section here.
Growing up my brother had a 71 Demon from Mr.Norms. 340 with 3x2brls, 727, and 4:10's. Black with white stripe and black interior, similar to this car. NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING would touch that car in the 70's period. Great video!
Must not have been very much competition in your town then. And I actually like the 340 Demon. But they were NOT the fastest or quickest engines/cars to come out of Detroit. That is a fact man. Furthermore, you better watch again & pay close attention & listen closely too, because in this video, the 340 Demon RED LIGHTED.........yet the ZL1 Camaro still won by nearly a full second PLUS 10 mph faster. In ANY class racing the standing 1/4 mile......that is known as getting your doors blown off. Lastly, there are guys who know how to properly launch a car in a drag race, and then there's guys who do not. That also makes a huge difference, as does tires.
@@majestical5331 Yes, as a matter of fact I do. But for ANYONE to claim "they had the fastest car that NOTHING could beat"..........I just have to roll my eyes, because I've yet to see that proven. Remember, he said NOTHING x 3........."period". I can think of all kinds of packages ALSO modified by a performance shop that I would stake my life on, that would beat it. Man, if you race enough people, there's ALWAYS gonna be some guy out there who has something faster than you, PERIOD. And I wish I had a dollar for every false claim. Like I said: There must not have been very much competition in his neck of the woods back then. I learned all of the above decades ago. If ya wanna drag race, keep it fun.......but when a man starts claiming "fastest ever"........that's blowing smoke, end of story. I LIKE THE 340 DEMON. I LIKE ALL OF THE GREAT PACKAGES FROM DETROIT.
@@majestical5331 First off, YOU don't boss me around, ya got that punk? Secondly, I'm NOT the one "acting all high & mighty"......by SPEAKING THE TRUTH. "High & mighty" would be anyone claiming "they are unbeaten", and also punks like you who think YOU can order people around.......JACK ASS. Now, buzz off punk.
@@majestical5331 howabout is totally right, and you need to mind your own damned business boy, and stop acting like you are the youtube police. nobody was talking to you anyway. now, get lost. go watch some more tv, you're missing cartoons.
Some beautiful cars, yes they are Underrated, pushing way more than advertised. Those engines are awesome. Everything is badass on these cars, and thanks for sharing. I'm subscribed to the channel
Interesting ET. My friend bought a '69 Chevy Nova SS with the L-78 and auto with a 4:10 posi. With the stock polyglas, he ran 13:04 at Lions Drag Strip.
I bought a new Demon 340, in 1972, the year I graduated. It would beat the 396, 375 hp Chevys, with the stock 323 rear end gears. Pound for pound, there was no car that could beat a 340. Which I mean by pound for pound is, any car with anywhere close to the same cubic inch engines. Owned it for 7 years and sold it, when they started talking about 2 dollar a gallon gas, in the late 70s. Car only had 30,000 miles on it, but married and new house, had other things on my mind at the time. The one I owned was red, with black vinyl roof and black interior. One heck of a nice looking car.
Had same 72 340 4spd Demon Carter themoquad car, snorkel hood, go wing, even had the "fancy" orange light that would come on when you put it in reverse, didnt have the rally package, and just the split bench seats. 2nd hand car. I would have lost my mind to have the 71 340.
Not really, the 4 speed available was the "Muncy" M21 or M22 either one, that 427 torque monster would tear to shreads. At least the TH400 could survive. Also, the 12 bolt rear has a chance to live longer w/ the TH400. They were weak as well. I used to Bracket race in the early 70's and at least 1 or 2 GM cars would grenade a 4 speed Muncy or brake their 10 & 12 bolt rear-ends every week.
@@4thstooge75 was it the Yenko Camaro's that came with a Dana 60? My relatively stock 396 broke many Transmissions and Dana 60's . Big Blocks are hard on drive trains.
It's a good thing they weren't racing an eighth of a mile,That Dodge had the almighty ZL-1 covered at 660 feet.After the Camaro got in third gear it came around that Mopar like it was tied to a stump though,that thing was moving on the big end.
The ZL1 makes some crazy high-end power, but it’s also significantly limited by the, “stock“ tires. Those demons/duster 340s are no joke, though. Lots of potential in that car. Thanks for watching!
What would expect? The Demon was spotting the ZL-1 87cubes. This was quite the mismatch. The Demon was way quick but it would have been a better match up between the Demon and the vaunted Z-28 Camaro.
BTW, I just found your channel tonight and subed. That being said; I was surprised the Demon did that well. Before watching the actual race I thought of it like a Lion vs a mouse. I look forward to more of your videos.
the 340 engine was legendary 340 swingers, darts, dusters, cudas hurt so many feelings it wasnt funny. 350s, 390s, 396s, 400s, 455s didnt matter, it showed its rear bumper to lots of them. I had the'72 demon 340 4spd with the thermoquad. Even tho it wasnt the '71, it still outran a lot of cars. Couldnt beat that '71 340 cuda in my hometown tho. that thing was hell out of the hole.
Indeed, the Dart Demon was and is still light even for today parameters, also they were very well made and balanced. It's very nice to see a 340ci 240hp car holding so tight to a 427ci 500hp+ car, even tho I like the Camaro about as much as I like the dart
@@jkheslekrants the 340 was more than respectable in its run red light or not. put pure evil beside the Camaro the Hemicuda, then bragging rights can be established for cubic inches.
I am surprised that the demon was able to keep up with the Camaro ZL one. This was a great video and can’t wait to see some more. Thanks for posting. 👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nearly a full second off the et and 12mph on the trap isn't even close. It appears to be close cause the Demon jumped and red lighted. Nit-picking aside, awesome to see these time pieces battle it out
Keep posting these vids, and keep the playlist updated as well, can't get enough of these old muscle's in mostly-stock configuration kicking ass at the 1/4 mile. I don't care if others are way faster, these cars are so special that I just don't give a damn if a brand-new supercar can pulverize their times!
September 13 and 14th this year! I already took the days off from work. Ha ha. Last year was the first year that I did any recording, so this year I am more prepared
Wish the Demon wouldn't have redlit so we could have seen the true finish. Little bit of David and Goliath here but Goliath walked away rubbing the knot on his head. LOL Beautiful cars.
No because an all aluminum big block was being closely contested by an iron smallblock. You sure do hate 340s. You get smoked by one sometime and still butthurt about it?
B W I don't hate 340s. In fact I revere them. I just don't like fanboys from ANY carmaker stating things that simply aren't true. This ZL1's time is around what a stock ZL1 should do. The Demon, on the other hand with a supposed 240 hp that pulls mid 12s, well.......
@@Lucille69caddy I'm a "fan" alright a fan of muscle no matter the badge and MANY years past being a boy. Gears and tires alone can make a tremendous difference in ET over what was put in literature. These guys are subject to rules and inspections so I doubt it's all that modified. Not saying there aren't ways to cheat the system. Been there done that on a class limiting vacuum.
B W Gears and tires make a HUGE difference. The 1972 340 was a mid 15 sec car. This car pulled a 12.7 ET. So yes, this car was modified. Blueprint/balance, head porting/polishing, ignition/timing tweaks, etc can definitely make a huge difference, but not a 3 second difference. For "just" a pushrod motor, the 340 is a stomping mill.
this channel needs a hell of a lot more than 17.9 K. love this channel. about the great ZL1, it actually put out 585HP. they only produced 69 in the '69 camaro and Only 2 in the '69 corvette !!! stock, the ZL1 camaro's ran mid to low 11's. when they were producing this engine, one was actually stolen in house. according to Corvette fever magazine. this is easily the rarest camaro ever. also, the ZL1 weighed less than a 302 !!!!!
I was at a nostalgia drag race at Bakersfield about 9-10 years ago. There was actually a blue 1969 ZL-1 Camaro in the show area (unattended!). It was real deal ZL-1 (I think it was around serial #62?). What was the coolest thing was that the owner had driven the car to the track! I couldn’t believe it!
Gearing is the name of the game. I have a car with about 55-60hp, and it weighs about 2300 pounds but with a close ratio 5 speed , it hits 0-60 in 10.5 and the 1/4 in about 17.5. It's bouncing off the governor at about 90mph. No rocket by any means , but darned good with that little amount of power.
The Dodge showed the high and mighty ZL1 his back bumper for nearly 1/2 the track!! Granted, laws of physics and brute horse power took over from there! But I'll bet you the ZL1 driver was worried for a bit there!! Good Video 👍😊😊😊👍
Hum. Most expensive Camaro ever sold was $451,000. That’s not cheap. But the most expensive Cuda ever sold was a 1970 Cuda 426 HEMI 4spd convertible $3.5 Million dollars. That’s a little more than $451,000. Lol. On that note there was only 2 1970 Challengers ever built with a 426 HEMI 4 spd convertible. Don Johnson ( Miami Vise ) has one in yellow. He bought it for I do believe over $1,000,000 in 1991. There is no way of knowing how much the car is really worth cause there were only 2 ever built. There is Replicas bringing over $1,000,000 now in 2019. I do love the old muscle cars Dodge, Chevy, Ford. Man those cars were awesome!!!
Any videos of a 70-71 Torinos with a stock 351 4v Cleveland running against 71 Mustangs with same engine? Manual or auto trans is fine. I just recently bought one of each in the past year. Would love to see the comparsion. Torino is GT with an auto C6 transmission...2 .46 first gear 3.00 rear. Mustang is a Fastback, not a Mach with the same 351 4v engine except has a manual toploader transmission with 2.78 first gear and a 3.25 rear. I'm guessing the Mustang will have the 1/8 and the 1/4. I think the Torino will overtake a little over the 1/4. And keep moving away fro. The Mustang. I'm guessing top end would be 130 135 for the Torino and 125 for the Mustang.
I was in-vehicle development at Chrysler engineering back in these days. We often talked about how good are leaf spring suspension worked at the holeshot it seems like people don't mention that right now when Mopar jumps out a half a car length I think it's mainly because of our suspension backed up with torque. If you watch you can see mopars often pickup the rear end and others especially GM squats at the whole shot.
Im trying to become an enthusiast, but i can seem to understand who wins these races in your videos. Maybe I have a slow uptake. Can you advise on how I can tell who wins these races since i can't make out the finish line and how they finished. I watch the lead up, but did not see who won. I'm guessing here, but it looked like the Deamon got the jump, but the camaro came back? Thank you for the great explanations!
When it came to regular production cars, the Hemi was king....but when it came to limited-run cars, the ZL-1 was pretty much king of the streets. There might've been one or two other limited production cars that could run with it, but not many
I love the mopars and my Dad had plenty of 340s through the years but there's no way that 72 is running 12s! The earlier 275 hp versions wouldn't even run 12s without alot of work and tuning. Some demon owner in this video is being untruthful about his stock apperaring car😂 I bet the owner of that ZL 1 was not happy.....
No one ever said the demon was stock. If you took the time to read rules in pure stock drag racing you would see that they do allow minor modifications with in a strict rule book. So please take the time to read rules in pure stock drags before posting negative comments and complaining about the cars not being stock 🤔
Taylor Pinkney minor mods wont get you 12s out of a smog 240 hp 340 engine. If they are able to mod to that extreme then why call it pure stock! Not a negative comment its the truth😉
@@2RCPRODUCTIONS Thank You I had a 340 x heads headers 600 holley vacuum secondary 410 rear ran strong didn't miss or bawg street tires just a consistent 1340/ 1380,,, maybe your running1/8
I haven't seen the race yet,but why does it seem a 340 neutered small block vs a race built top performer is even close to fair? Unless the 340 internals of the demon isn't stock,it doesn't seem to jibe. Now a 70 or 71 balls to the wall real 340,that may have a fair shot. Is that zl1 rear badge factory? I've never seen a copo badged before. Time to watch the race now. Weeeeeee!!! Thanks again guys! ▪☆☆☆▪
I’ve still got my 72 Demon, that I bought new. Funny thing was, I had to trade in my 1967 GTX conv w/440 super commando in on it in Jan 1972. The insurance companies were just burning the muscle cars. I’ll put my ol Demon up against most any street car. That new Demon barely tied me. Cause it weighted in at 5000# with the driver. Mine is 3100# and I weight 175. I’ve got a 360 with 350horses. Not a firebreather, but I drive mine to the track and back home. With the A/C on. Been doing that for 50 years !!!
When I heard you say the demon ran 15s, I knew that was for the insurance companies at the time. This demon running high 12s didn't surprise me at all...
The earlier 340 cars (Dart, Duster, etc.) would REALLY run, usually at least as well as a LOT of big-block muscle cars. This one did well, too, especially considering that it ran one of the top two or three fastest cars from the era.
Both great cars! No doubt the ZL-1 had a huge advantage, but the Demon made a great showing. Here are my raw horsepower calcs for the ZL-1 Camaro, which I have been slipping into some of my replies: Velocity: 117.75 Time to velocity: 11.946 Weight: 3450 Tire diameter (inches): 26.5 Final Drive Ratio: 4.10 Acceleration based data: Brake horsepower: 486.768949 Estimated horsepower at wheels: 'Long version': 379.671603 V/245 equation: 383.004247 >
Those ZL1s were no joke. They custom built driveshafts for them because everything GM had twisted like a candy cane in early tests. But I still remember the ride I took in a friends Dart GTS 340 in the 1970s. If would lift the front end off the ground on slicks and run with the 440 six pack mopars
I love both of these cars but I'm a molar man. I just bought bought an all original 66 Charger last year. 383 727 355 sure grip. She's a beast and bucket seats with a console in the back, lol
Just found your channel this morning and subscribed. I'm surprised the race was as close as it is given the displacement handicap of the demon. A more Fair Race would have been a Duster or demon with a 440 in it... I had a 1972 340 Duster with a manual transmission in the early 80s and it was quite a car
Don’t ya think the Z laughed all the way. The 340 got my respect in 1970 from a duster against my 70 super bee, 383 with 3:55 gears. Mine had a three speed manual a heater and radio. He beat me a full two lengths. Love these cars.
If anyone thinks that duster is stock, they are in denial. While these cars appear factory stock, there is a lot going on under those stamped steel valve covers.
Yes, but to run pure stock you have to adhere to a lot of rules. So you can do things like overbore, max the compression and pick the best stock rods for sideload, etc. It is basically a max tuned stock engine though.
This is the Pure Stock *class*, not purely stock cars. That 340 was likely bored to the class limit, which is .070 over, and running forged pistons at the class limit 13:1 compression ratio. Add 2.5" exhaust, with an x-pipe, and it is possibly closer to 400hp.
The older the car gets the faster they were according to your fading memories. A 72 Demon 340 4 speed with a 3.55 gear out of the box will run mid to high 14s. To get high 12s we are talking serious serious tuning and mods. Are there tear downs after the races? A super blueprint and balance, super tune, steep gears, internal mods. All things being equal and they never are, you need 10 rwhp per .1 of a second as a rough guide. So you need roughly 100 rear wheel horsepower to drop a second. People, a 13 second car is roughly 4 to 5 car lengths on a 14 second car.
my mother had a olive drab green dodge demon, not sure if she had a 318 or 340 in hers as it had a/c, but it was a v8. she'd tear the streets of baltimore up in that car, used to scare the daylights out of me many times
My dads 71 Demon was a bit quicker, but we put a 71 440 in it. Was a factory 318 car, so it needed MoPower and it got it. It also received a built 727 and 8.75" rear with SureGrip and 4.10 gears + traction bars. It was tagged and insured.
A true ZL-1 69 camaro ? The ZL-1 427 could only be ordered on a copo ticket. I have been racing and building this stuff all my 60 years of life, and I have only seen one of these, and that was back in the '70's. Even if its a re-pop, its a damn good looking one.
TEARDOWN, TEARDOWN, I want to see the internals of that 340. There's a set of 12.5 to 1 pistons hiding in there & probably an aftermarket cam. I'm 70 years old and drag raced against those same cars back in the day. THAT'S NOT A STOCK FROM THE FACTORY 340 DEMON.
what is it with you old d-bags and complaining about everything? Can’t you just enjoy the video instead of crying like a baby? You’re fucking obnoxious. Grow up, old timer.
@@therealhonestabe7839 I'm 40 and a Mopar guy but a factory stock 340 sure as hell not going to run those numbers. Not bitching, I actually think it's cool to run that fast while appearing stock. It's just that the commentator of these videos thinks these cars ran like this factory new. Big cam, compression, loose converter, race gas, ported heads, multi angle valve job, can go a long way - without external evidence.
@@mopar1465 he gives the stock numbers genius, I think he understands what they ran back then. Also, if you think a 340 duster/demon needs all those notifications to run in the 12s then you don’t understand drag racing. Read the description box, you make those modifications and any 340 duster/demon will run in the 12s. Pure Stocks has multiple cars do that, and has also mandated multiple tear downs on those vehicles. Guess what… They always pass.
@@therealhonestabe7839 I know they don't need all that to run those numbers, I was just giving an example of what 'could' be done if a car is not subjected to a teardown. Maybe I should have made that clearer for the reading comprehension deficient, genius. Calm down and go work on your Civic.
@the REAL Honest Abe * old d-bag? complaining about everything? Can't I enjoy the video? crying like a baby? fucking obnoxious? Grow up? What ugly things to say to someone that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. Does this mean that we can't be friends Abe? I just don't know if I can bear it, if you aren't my friend Abe. I completely and thoroughly enjoyed the video. In fact I've been watching Cars and Zebras videos for at least a year or more and no one has been holding a gun to my head. I even enjoy S1apshoes videos. It never crossed my mind that I should have gotten authority from you before I made a joking comment about a video and stated a true fact. See I'm a 100% disabled exmarine. 100% disabled on "9-Apr-2004" (check out the video on TH-cam, you'll see my name listed among the wounded). I had this crazy ass thought that I had some kind of freedom of thought and speech. You know, those inalienable rights, that us Americans think we have, especially since I had to bury 19 of my friends after that day. See I'm don't know anything about this modern day man that talks big and calls someone names long distance over a computer. I'm use to doing it like the Marine Corps taught me back in 1969. You get your gun and your bullets and I'll get my gun and my bullets. You shoot at me. That will irritate me a little bit and then I'll shoot back at you. We can shoot at each other until one of us can no longer answer the call. See I might be a d-bag, cry baby ,fucking obnoxious ,old timer that needs to grow up and be a REAL MAN like you, according to you. Marines have a saying that, once a Marine, always a Marine. See I might be 100% disabled from defending your rights to try to belittle me but I'M STILL A MARINE. I MIGHT HAVE TO CRAWL TO DRAG MY 70 YEAR OLD DISABLED ASS TO THE FIGHT TO ANSWER THE CALL BUT I'LL CRAWL LIKE A GOD DAMN UNITED STATES MARINE.
this is an interesting race the motors are not matched but is shows two things good tuning aside Cubes per mile and internal motor Mass fun to watch thank you
@@taylorpinkney7253 Bullshit!!! You or no one you have ever met has ever seen a real 1969 ZL1 COPO Camaro in person and even if you did the A12 is not 550hp sorry buddy but that car loses everytime. Try bullshitting someone else fanboy!!
had a 4 speed '74 360 Duster that could run all day on garbage gas with advanced timing and could pull a stump and go like hell ... it was solid reliable and bullet proof.
Back around 1979 I used to check the classic car section in the Pittsburgh paper every day. More than once I saw a zl1 for sale, usually around 6k.....
6k around that time was quite a bit of money? My dad had told me that the Mopar‘s were especially cheap around then, specifically the 383 cars. Usually not more than a few hundred bucks.
I doubt they were real, they only made 69 of them and some of those were converted to iron block cars by dealer just to sell them. My guess is they were 427 COPO or dealer converted cars iron block cars.
No one was making clones yet in 1979.....the Post Gazette was covering a large area. Over a period of a couple of years, I'm sure they were real. They were at their low ebb of value then. I also kept an eye on musical instruments then and a 58, 59 Les Paul was going for 2 or 3 k. I even saw a flying v for 3 thousand bucks. Only 80 made. Few people including me knew what these things were gonna be worth back then or I would have bought them all......
U guys got no idea. The difference here is tuning and knowing how to drive. These cars have to pass tech inspection. The 340 demon is no different. They are VERY strict on rules.
@@danc1197 I suppose someone who really knows what they're doing could pull off 12's. When I think about it I've seen identical cars run against one another and one is a full second faster. Myself used to own a stock 302 2 barrel single exhaust that was tuned by an expert racer and I was keeping up with 13-second cars. Sometimes even won.
My 72 with just headers ran 13.90, swapped gears and got down to 13.60. No other mods. Finally I built it, but still no nitrous and a single 4 bbl I finally ran 10.90 but it was far from stock. Lastley we yanked the 340, swapped in a modified 400 at 510 cu inches and ran 9.80 with a fairly mild tune.
When did a 454 become a 7.4 liter And when did foot pounds become pound feet We were racing from the late 50’s through the early 80’s And it was always cubic inches and foot pounds with American Muscle
The Chevy was a second and a half quicker going almost 20 mph faster. The Demon got the jump off the line because he left early. You can hear the announcer say that he "red lighted". But still, a 12.7 at 101 mph ain't bad at all.
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 Yeah, these "pure stock" cars usually aren't all that "stock". I'm sure the Demon had a lot higher compression than it had from the factory, and maybe has a few other tricks too.
@@livewire2759 oh it needed alot more than that to go in the 12's. hey i love the cars and everything but im at a point that i like seeing really pure stock cars like they were in the days battling it out in the high 13's to mid 15's , just to get a real whiff of the good old days
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 I'm right there with you, I have always wanted to see the cars in factory original, day 1 condition with no modifications at all, just to see what they could really do. That's what this "pure stock" racing was supposed to be, but just like the FAST racing, it didn't take long for guys to realize there were a LOT of modifications they could do and still have the cars look stock enough to pass inspection. What pisses me off is when I see a car that's clearly been modified, like this duster, and guys in the comment section talk like the car was doing that when it was brand new. Some defend their car to the death even when it's a mid '70s, low compression, emission controlled model and they still think low 11s is slow for it.
What do you guys think of these two cars? A monster vs a demon! The ZL-1 is incredibly rare and doesn't need much introduction. Those Demon/Dusters horsepower ratings were significantly underrated. I still think that the Demon and Duster 340s are the best value for muscle cars right now - great examples are affordable... and fast.
I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. Man I miss that car. Even the low compression 1972-73 340 was a screamer. The 340 Demon/Duster was probably the quickest car you could still buy in the 1972-74 era other than a 73-74 SD455 Trans Am. Neither Ford or Chevy had anything as quick as a 340 Demon/Duster in 1972-73 or a 360 Duster/Dart Sport in 1974
You should have put the Hemi dart against that Camaro. Would make it at least even
@@jjtool5800, really. A ZL1 427 against a smog motor 340? What a joke.
Marlon Medina Its obviously no longer a smog motor 340.
Marlon Medina even though the 340 Dart had half the torque that the rear ZL1 Super Camaro did, the Dodge 340 gave that 400 thousand dollar Chevy all it wanted. And even beat it 1/8 of a mile half the distance.
That ZL1 is so bad ass but look at how well the demon ran too! That demon is seriously wicked for its displacement!
The Demon was definitely underrated from the factory. Both are very cool!
I love those 340 Dart's, Demon's, and Duster's. I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. The 340 was an absolute screamer and those cars were so light that they were definitely capable of embarrassing many of the more expensive big block cars of the day. Those 340 powered Mopar's and the Chevy Nova SS 350's are probably the best value on the muscle car market right now
It goes to show that it's not all about displacement. Those demons are very lightweight cars compared to a lot of other cars at the time.
They were underrated, and showed it right there
AZ Independent my first car was a 1972 Plymouth Cuda 340c.i. I raced my friends 73 Firebird Formula 400c.i. At a 50 mph tromp the Firebird pulled about 2 car links and they were 4 people in my Plymouth and only 2 people in his but at 90 mph I caught him and passed him at about 110, I kept it floored to 130 and let off the gas, I remember the white skipped lines on the interstate looked like a solid line at that speed. That was September of 1978 I was 17 years old and no speed rated tires and wasn’t wearing seatbelts looking back it scares me at 58 years old what’s bad is when you’re 17 and your friends are telling you to get him and you can hear your dads voice in your mind when he told you don’t be jerking that car around and at 17 I didn’t realize at the time those 3 kids lives and mine were in my hands. Thank you Jesus for watching over us.
My 69 Dodge Dart Swinger with a 340 4 speed and a low gear posi track was as fast as I wanted to go. I only added headers for a little more horsepower and sound. I would love to have that car now!
Posi track? So it had a Chebby diff in it?
cool.....340 badass
My dad's '69 Dart GTS was a big block killer. That thing was slaying 396, 426, and 427 and other big block engines like they weren't anything
How about at the end of these races reposting the ET's and MPH so they can be read... thanks. Great video
Also difficult to see which car gets to the traps first.
Love darts, demons & dusters, and the 340 has always punched way above it's weight as we saw right there. I had a 70 duster and was a very quick car. I love all that old Detroit iron, but the Mopars always did it for me and are my favorite. The ZL1 is a beast and have always liked the 67-69 camaro, but got ugly and plastic looking after that
Also had a 70 Duster 340--three speed on the floor. Loved that car!
A well tuned 340 can do amazing things.
Definitely an underrated engine. I'd love to find a first year Demon 340, but they aren't as common now.
@@CarsAndZebras google ( muscle car you should know 1971 dodge demon 340 the devil in detail street legal. Com) my first car owne for 40 years
My old man had a 71 340 cuda that beat a supercharged nova 350. The guy that built his 340 wanted to trade cars lol
Grant W. Whitwam not that amazing there’s no way a stock 340 can turn those type of times I know you’re living in a dreamworld if you think so
Steve Kostura I had a 1972 Plymouth Cuda in 1978 it was my first car and that car was strong for what it was. I was 17 that Plymouth beat a 70 Mach 1, a 73 Firebird Formula 400, a 71 GTO, 78 Trans/Am 403, a 71 SS 396 Chevelle a 78 Z/28, a 73 Cougar 351.
The Demon makes me remember my neighbor's 1970 Plymouth Duster...it was such an exotic car to my 8-year old self...specially because they were never officially sold here in Brazil, so finding one was like finding a needle in the haystack.
His car was mean as hell, in a dark grey color, he later repainted it in a pastel yellow, which IMO didn't look as good as the grey...but still badass nonetheless, with the matte black hood and big, 265/40VR16 rear tires, specific for racing, which were like a Formula 1's to me, lol!
His car had a "humble" 318, properly upgraded with tons of goodies. I don't remember the full list, but among them was a 750-cfm Holley 4bbl Double Pump, Edelbrock intake, M/T valve covers, etc...also had a nasty idle, likely got a big cam and if the heads weren't a set of Edelbrocks as well, they were at least ported and polished. He said it was putting out about 360 hp.
That was in 1998/1999. I don't know if he bought the car new or used, but up to this day, he still owns the car and has owned it since before I was born, probably well over 30 years now.
Thanks for sharing!
Probably a 340 cylinder head swap too, also, bigger cams were probably on the list, it's hard to see those cars here in Brazil, my father had a 73/74 Dart Sedan that I've loved since I was a kid
I also own a 1970 Duster!
I ran my 68 Camaro 396/375 against a 340 Duster and beat him but it was not by a lot. The 340 was for real.
Dam 7k for a new zl1 back then that would definitely be one of my three wishes go back in 1969 with today’s money and bring back a couple of these things really enjoy these videos good stuff 👍🏼
Yeah, pretty nuts...Unbelievable what the ZL-1 engine price was compared to a base Camaro
Even today just the engine using an aftermarket block would likely set up back over $10k, the GM crate version sold for $25k. A bit crazy as you could an all aluminum stoker 540
625hp pump gas friendly for around $16k. The blocks alone sell for around 5k and can support as much as 632ci.
If you could go back to "69, nost likely there would be too many other distractions and you still wouldn't get the car, but maybe you would have got a big block station wagon, yanked the engine and stuffed into a 70's Vega? Wheelie time!
Actual dyno numbers for 340 engines were more like 320hp/360tq for the four barrel and 350hp/380tq. The 340s were severely underrated from the factory, presumably to prevent cannibalization from the 383's sales.
4 speed cars with a 4.10 routinely ran mid 13s with the autos running high 13s/14.0 on crappy tires of the day.
The 68 four speed cars had the hottest cam with 276/284 duration and .444/.453 lift. The autos got a milder cam although they were all rated "275hp" with a four barrel carb.
There's a lot of ignorance and misinformation in the comments section here.
Growing up my brother had a 71 Demon from Mr.Norms. 340 with 3x2brls, 727, and 4:10's. Black with white stripe and black interior, similar to this car. NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING would touch that car in the 70's period. Great video!
@@majestical5331 Kinda funny, about a month after my brother got it, Dad took the 6pack off and put on a 750DP. Still kicked all that ass around town!
Must not have been very much competition in your town then. And I actually like the 340 Demon. But they were NOT the fastest or quickest engines/cars to come out of Detroit. That is a fact man. Furthermore, you better watch again & pay close attention & listen closely too, because in this video, the 340 Demon RED LIGHTED.........yet the ZL1 Camaro still won by nearly a full second PLUS 10 mph faster. In ANY class racing the standing 1/4 mile......that is known as getting your doors blown off. Lastly, there are guys who know how to properly launch a car in a drag race, and then there's guys who do not. That also makes a huge difference, as does tires.
@@majestical5331 Yes, as a matter of fact I do. But for ANYONE to claim "they had the fastest car that NOTHING could beat"..........I just have to roll my eyes, because I've yet to see that proven. Remember, he said NOTHING x 3........."period". I can think of all kinds of packages ALSO modified by a performance shop that I would stake my life on, that would beat it. Man, if you race enough people, there's ALWAYS gonna be some guy out there who has something faster than you, PERIOD. And I wish I had a dollar for every false claim. Like I said: There must not have been very much competition in his neck of the woods back then. I learned all of the above decades ago. If ya wanna drag race, keep it fun.......but when a man starts claiming "fastest ever"........that's blowing smoke, end of story. I LIKE THE 340 DEMON. I LIKE ALL OF THE GREAT PACKAGES FROM DETROIT.
@@majestical5331 First off, YOU don't boss me around, ya got that punk? Secondly, I'm NOT the one "acting all high & mighty"......by SPEAKING THE TRUTH. "High & mighty" would be anyone claiming "they are unbeaten", and also punks like you who think YOU can order people around.......JACK ASS. Now, buzz off punk.
@@majestical5331 howabout is totally right, and you need to mind your own damned business boy, and stop acting like you are the youtube police. nobody was talking to you anyway. now, get lost. go watch some more tv, you're missing cartoons.
Some beautiful cars, yes they are
Underrated, pushing way more than advertised. Those engines are awesome. Everything is badass on these cars, and thanks for sharing. I'm subscribed to the channel
Interesting ET. My friend bought a '69 Chevy Nova SS with the L-78 and auto with a 4:10 posi. With the stock polyglas, he ran 13:04 at Lions Drag Strip.
I bought a new Demon 340, in 1972, the year I graduated. It would beat the 396, 375 hp Chevys, with the stock 323 rear end gears. Pound for pound, there was no car that could beat a 340. Which I mean by pound for pound is, any car with anywhere close to the same cubic inch engines. Owned it for 7 years and sold it, when they started talking about 2 dollar a gallon gas, in the late 70s. Car only had 30,000 miles on it, but married and new house, had other things on my mind at the time. The one I owned was red, with black vinyl roof and black interior. One heck of a nice looking car.
What the hell have you been smoking?
Had same 72 340 4spd Demon Carter themoquad car, snorkel hood, go wing, even had the "fancy" orange light that would come on when you put it in reverse, didnt have the rally package, and just the split bench seats.
2nd hand car.
I would have lost my mind to have the 71 340.
All these years, I hated on the Demon body style, now, I realize, they are just 'Fastback' versions of the Dart!
Dodge Nova
All beautiful cars, id a have a smile ear to ear driving any of them.
Something is just wrong about matching a '69 ZL-1 to a 3 speed automatic.
I’ll have a future video on a hugger orange COPO.... and it’s also an auto.
@@sebjoeko
Consistent times...
Not really, the 4 speed available was the "Muncy" M21 or M22 either one, that 427 torque monster would tear to shreads. At least the TH400 could survive. Also, the 12 bolt rear has a chance to live longer w/ the TH400. They were weak as well. I used to Bracket race in the early 70's and at least 1 or 2 GM cars would grenade a 4 speed Muncy or brake their 10 & 12 bolt rear-ends every week.
What does it matter? The Dart almost embarrassed the Z-L1
@@4thstooge75 was it the Yenko Camaro's that came with a Dana 60? My relatively stock 396 broke many Transmissions and Dana 60's . Big Blocks are hard on drive trains.
Little 340 did surprisingly well against the ZL-1.
2:32 Love that Camaro license plate rim "Detroit, Murder City"
For the price and performance, excellent the Demon!!😈
It's a good thing they weren't racing an eighth of a mile,That Dodge had the almighty ZL-1 covered at 660 feet.After the Camaro got in third gear it came around that Mopar like it was tied to a stump though,that thing was moving on the big end.
The ZL1 makes some crazy high-end power, but it’s also significantly limited by the, “stock“ tires. Those demons/duster 340s are no joke, though. Lots of potential in that car. Thanks for watching!
The demon jumped the light, otherwise he would not have gotten so far out ahead, and the Camaro still drove right around him.
What would expect? The Demon was spotting the ZL-1 87cubes. This was quite the mismatch. The Demon was way quick but it would have been a better match up between the Demon and the vaunted Z-28 Camaro.
That Dodge Demon had no chance against that Camaro two light too much horsepower
@@4thstooge75 the demon had no chance against this car no way too much horsepower cubes just too much
BTW, I just found your channel tonight and subed. That being said; I was surprised the Demon did that well. Before watching the actual race I thought of it like a Lion vs a mouse. I look forward to more of your videos.
Thanks for watching!
the 340 engine was legendary
340 swingers, darts, dusters, cudas hurt so many feelings it wasnt funny.
350s, 390s, 396s, 400s, 455s didnt matter, it showed its rear bumper to lots of them.
I had the'72 demon 340 4spd with the thermoquad. Even tho it wasnt the '71, it still outran a lot of cars.
Couldnt beat that '71 340 cuda in my hometown tho.
that thing was hell out of the hole.
A 427 Camaro vs a 340 Dodge Demon? The Demon held it’s own! Can’t understand why a 340 and 427 were paired together in a drag race.
Their opponents both broke down, so they decided to race each other for 1 heat
Indeed, the Dart Demon was and is still light even for today parameters, also they were very well made and balanced. It's very nice to see a 340ci 240hp car holding so tight to a 427ci 500hp+ car, even tho I like the Camaro about as much as I like the dart
The Demon red lighted.
@@kuiper6926 it was a complete blow out lol. It only appeared close due to the Demons Red-light
@@jkheslekrants
the 340 was more than respectable in its run red light or not.
put pure evil beside the Camaro the Hemicuda, then bragging rights can be established for cubic inches.
I am surprised that the demon was able to keep up with the Camaro ZL one. This was a great video and can’t wait to see some more. Thanks for posting. 👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Well he jumped and the Camaro had to catch up but still tmran right passed him
Not me, those lil 340s were way underrated and surprised a lot of unsuspecting big block cars 🇺🇸
Nearly a full second off the et and 12mph on the trap isn't even close. It appears to be close cause the Demon jumped and red lighted.
Nit-picking aside, awesome to see these time pieces battle it out
I have raced enough to know that one second at top end speed is about 8 to 10 car lengths. Not even a race. As I knew it wouldn't be.
Excellent as always. 2 fine cars, AND, Always loved the ZL1. Thanks
Beautiful cars.....A privilege to behold
Very true, you don’t see either on the drag strip any more
Screamin' Demon!
When a 240hp car launches better than a 500hp+ one, feelsgood man
Red light
A lower horsepower car should have a better launch.........Common sense
@@boostjunkie2320 when a lower horsepower car had better launch other than better structure?
Keep posting these vids, and keep the playlist updated as well, can't get enough of these old muscle's in mostly-stock configuration kicking ass at the 1/4 mile. I don't care if others are way faster, these cars are so special that I just don't give a damn if a brand-new supercar can pulverize their times!
I’ve got plenty more coming. Just taking a little time off right now to get all of my footage straightened out
@@CarsAndZebras Great! Thanks for the heads-up! You said these events happen every September, right? Already eager for this year's, LOL! :D
September 13 and 14th this year! I already took the days off from work. Ha ha. Last year was the first year that I did any recording, so this year I am more prepared
Wish the Demon wouldn't have redlit so we could have seen the true finish. Little bit of David and Goliath here but Goliath walked away rubbing the knot on his head. LOL Beautiful cars.
No because an all aluminum big block was being closely contested by an iron smallblock. You sure do hate 340s. You get smoked by one sometime and still butthurt about it?
B W I don't hate 340s. In fact I revere them. I just don't like fanboys from ANY carmaker stating things that simply aren't true. This ZL1's time is around what a stock ZL1 should do. The Demon, on the other hand with a supposed 240 hp that pulls mid 12s, well.......
@@Lucille69caddy I'm a "fan" alright a fan of muscle no matter the badge and MANY years past being a boy. Gears and tires alone can make a tremendous difference in ET over what was put in literature. These guys are subject to rules and inspections so I doubt it's all that modified. Not saying there aren't ways to cheat the system. Been there done that on a class limiting vacuum.
B W Gears and tires make a HUGE difference.
The 1972 340 was a mid 15 sec car. This car pulled a 12.7 ET. So yes, this car was modified. Blueprint/balance, head porting/polishing, ignition/timing tweaks, etc can definitely make a huge difference, but not a 3 second difference. For "just" a pushrod motor, the 340 is a stomping mill.
@@Lucille69caddy Guess this guy is just exempt of the rules IDK what to say about that. Maybe ZL-1 needs him to wrench on it.
this channel needs a hell of a lot more than 17.9 K. love this channel. about the great ZL1, it actually put out 585HP. they only produced 69 in the '69 camaro and Only 2 in the '69 corvette !!! stock, the ZL1 camaro's ran mid to low 11's.
when they were producing this engine, one was actually stolen in house. according to Corvette fever magazine. this is easily the rarest camaro ever. also, the ZL1 weighed less than a 302 !!!!!
I was at a nostalgia drag race at Bakersfield about 9-10 years ago. There was actually a blue 1969 ZL-1 Camaro in the show area (unattended!). It was real deal ZL-1 (I think it was around serial #62?). What was the coolest thing was that the owner had driven the car to the track! I couldn’t believe it!
The copo was by far my favorite, dog dishes and all.❤️
Would have like to seen a 350 LT-1 Camaro vs a 70-71' 340 Duster/Swinger all the same league you know !
The Camaro was faster...
@@jamesbottger5894 All depends on the Driver and the tune !! I've seen it for 40+ yrs of Drag Racing ! : )
@@jamesbottger5894 340 would smoke any SB bow tie. 396 were getting smoked by 340's be real.
@@christopherekin1747 Not buyin it…
@@jamesbottger5894 People who know "Buy It".
Back when cars were meant to go 1 direction super fast, love the late 60s and early 70s muscle cars
Low and behold 50 ish yrs later they're still going at it with each other with today's technology
MY '72 Duster 340 was the *quickest* car I ever owned, but not the fastest.
Gearing is the name of the game.
I have a car with about 55-60hp, and it weighs about 2300 pounds but with a close ratio 5 speed , it hits 0-60 in 10.5 and the 1/4 in about 17.5.
It's bouncing off the governor at about 90mph.
No rocket by any means , but darned good with that little amount of power.
@@MrTheHillfolk Lol.
@@MrTheHillfolk what are you driving there a John Deere Jesus Christ what are you bragging about
@@nickajk1
I guess you can't read and never heard of gears
@@MrTheHillfolk by the way I can read what are you bragging about those times areawful I know station wagons that pull better than that
The Dodge showed the high and mighty ZL1 his back bumper for nearly 1/2 the track!! Granted, laws of physics and brute horse power took over from there! But I'll bet you the ZL1 driver was worried for a bit there!! Good Video 👍😊😊😊👍
Hum. Most expensive Camaro ever sold was $451,000. That’s not cheap. But the most expensive Cuda ever sold was a 1970 Cuda 426 HEMI 4spd convertible $3.5 Million dollars. That’s a little more than $451,000. Lol. On that note there was only 2 1970 Challengers ever built with a 426 HEMI 4 spd convertible. Don Johnson ( Miami Vise ) has one in yellow. He bought it for I do believe over $1,000,000 in 1991. There is no way of knowing how much the car is really worth cause there were only 2 ever built. There is Replicas bringing over $1,000,000 now in 2019. I do love the old muscle cars Dodge, Chevy, Ford. Man those cars were awesome!!!
Thanks for sharing
Any videos of a 70-71 Torinos with a stock 351 4v Cleveland running against 71 Mustangs with same engine? Manual or auto trans is fine. I just recently bought one of each in the past year. Would love to see the comparsion.
Torino is GT with an auto C6 transmission...2 .46 first gear 3.00 rear.
Mustang is a Fastback, not a Mach with the same 351 4v engine except has a manual toploader transmission with 2.78 first gear and a 3.25 rear.
I'm guessing the Mustang will have the 1/8 and the 1/4.
I think the Torino will overtake a little over the 1/4. And keep moving away fro. The Mustang. I'm guessing top end would be 130 135 for the Torino and 125 for the Mustang.
Great informational vid. I subbed.
I was in-vehicle development at Chrysler engineering back in these days. We often talked about how good are leaf spring suspension worked at the holeshot it seems like people don't mention that right now when Mopar jumps out a half a car length I think it's mainly because of our suspension backed up with torque. If you watch you can see mopars often pickup the rear end and others especially GM squats at the whole shot.
Im trying to become an enthusiast, but i can seem to understand who wins these races in your videos. Maybe I have a slow uptake. Can you advise on how I can tell who wins these races since i can't make out the finish line and how they finished. I watch the lead up, but did not see who won. I'm guessing here, but it looked like the Deamon got the jump, but the camaro came back? Thank you for the great explanations!
LOVE THEM BOTH
Both very different and very cool!
Cars And Zebras Agreed
When it came to regular production cars, the Hemi was king....but when it came to limited-run cars, the ZL-1 was pretty much king of the streets. There might've been one or two other limited production cars that could run with it, but not many
I love the mopars and my Dad had plenty of 340s through the years but there's no way that 72 is running 12s! The earlier 275 hp versions wouldn't even run 12s without alot of work and tuning. Some demon owner in this video is being untruthful about his stock apperaring car😂 I bet the owner of that ZL 1 was not happy.....
I am 58 ran a lot of 340 s 13.50 14.00 is more realistic
Having fun.
No one ever said the demon was stock. If you took the time to read rules in pure stock drag racing you would see that they do allow minor modifications with in a strict rule book. So please take the time to read rules in pure stock drags before posting negative comments and complaining about the cars not being stock 🤔
Taylor Pinkney minor mods wont get you 12s out of a smog 240 hp 340 engine. If they are able to mod to that extreme then why call it pure stock! Not a negative comment its the truth😉
@@2RCPRODUCTIONS Thank You I had a 340 x heads headers 600 holley vacuum secondary 410 rear ran strong didn't miss or bawg street tires just a consistent 1340/ 1380,,, maybe your running1/8
I had a 71 demon I called it the big block killer 💯 Mopars 🔥 little 340 with 431 gears run off and leave them setting everytime.
340 is perhaps the most underrated motor Chrysler made
I’d like to buy a vowel Pat. Wtf were the finishing numbers?
Man that Demon is sexy. I'm a sucker for dog dish. And that buttercream '67 Camaro...(insert Homer noise)
I haven't seen the race yet,but why does it seem a 340 neutered small block vs a race built top performer is even close to fair? Unless the 340 internals of the demon isn't stock,it doesn't seem to jibe. Now a 70 or 71 balls to the wall real 340,that may have a fair shot. Is that zl1 rear badge factory? I've never seen a copo badged before. Time to watch the race now. Weeeeeee!!! Thanks again guys! ▪☆☆☆▪
They paired a 340 Demon against a ZL1 Camaro?
Both of their original opponents broke during time trials, so they decided to race each other. Pretty odd match-up.
I know hey. When will they give the 340 real competition?
I’ve still got my 72 Demon, that I bought new. Funny thing was, I had to trade in my 1967 GTX conv w/440 super commando in on it in Jan 1972. The insurance companies were just burning the muscle cars. I’ll put my ol Demon up against most any street car. That new Demon barely tied me. Cause it weighted in at 5000# with the driver. Mine is 3100# and I weight 175. I’ve got a 360 with 350horses. Not a firebreather, but I drive mine to the track and back home. With the A/C on. Been doing that for 50 years !!!
Interesting To Note, Thxs., Merci.
Redlight.....Ta-Done!
Cool Camaro but I'm a Chrysler man my first car was a 71' Plymouth Valiant
When I heard you say the demon ran 15s, I knew that was for the insurance companies at the time. This demon running high 12s didn't surprise me at all...
71 and 72 340 were both underrated in HP, recently saw a fresh rebuild on a 71 340 run 340 HP on the dyno. Not the 275
@@user-uh1el7hp8p All they long they were 315-320 hp.
The grandstands are PACKED!!
🤣 crazy, but that’s the typical crowd
You must have to buy tickets what a year in advance?
The earlier 340 cars (Dart, Duster, etc.) would REALLY run, usually at least as well as a LOT of big-block muscle cars. This one did well, too, especially considering that it ran one of the top two or three fastest cars from the era.
Both great cars! No doubt the ZL-1 had a huge advantage, but the Demon made a great showing.
Here are my raw horsepower calcs for the ZL-1 Camaro, which I have been slipping into some of my replies:
Velocity: 117.75
Time to velocity: 11.946
Weight: 3450
Tire diameter (inches): 26.5
Final Drive Ratio: 4.10
Acceleration based data:
Brake horsepower: 486.768949
Estimated horsepower at wheels:
'Long version': 379.671603
V/245 equation: 383.004247
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Those ZL1s were no joke. They custom built driveshafts for them because everything GM had twisted like a candy cane in early tests. But I still remember the ride I took in a friends Dart GTS 340 in the 1970s. If would lift the front end off the ground on slicks and run with the 440 six pack mopars
who would win out of the 1969 Baldwin Motion Camaro LS7 or the 1969 Camaro ZL1
All the history and specs of these two cars was great content. But the race was over so quickly and no follow up dialog?
The 340 is an underrated V8 and that race should proved it!!
I love both of these cars but I'm a molar man. I just bought bought an all original 66 Charger last year. 383 727 355 sure grip. She's a beast and bucket seats with a console in the back, lol
At Barrett Jackson Scottsdale AZ 2020, a COPO 69 ZL1 sold for $1,094,500.00 just for those who think you could get one for $400,000.00.
Just found your channel this morning and subscribed. I'm surprised the race was as close as it is given the displacement handicap of the demon. A more Fair Race would have been a Duster or demon with a 440 in it... I had a 1972 340 Duster with a manual transmission in the early 80s and it was quite a car
Don’t ya think the Z laughed all the way. The 340 got my respect in 1970 from a duster against my 70 super bee, 383 with 3:55 gears. Mine had a three speed manual a heater and radio. He beat me a full two lengths. Love these cars.
My boat anchor can beat up your boat anchor 🤣
Haa Haa your quite the comedian!
Mine flipped over backwards and went 412 mph on pump gas with 10 people in it... Sheeze...LOL
If anyone thinks that duster is stock, they are in denial. While these cars appear factory stock, there is a lot going on under those stamped steel valve covers.
Yes, but to run pure stock you have to adhere to a lot of rules. So you can do things like overbore, max the compression and pick the best stock rods for sideload, etc. It is basically a max tuned stock engine though.
Did the Demon red light or did he just smoke him off the line? I couldn't tell who won because the ZL1 was charging hard on the top end of the track.
ZL1 427 Chevvvie 11.5 to 1; 1972 smog hog Demon 8.5 to 1 240 horse power = NO CONTEST, dude !!
This is the Pure Stock *class*, not purely stock cars. That 340 was likely bored to the class limit, which is .070 over, and running forged pistons at the class limit 13:1 compression ratio. Add 2.5" exhaust, with an x-pipe, and it is possibly closer to 400hp.
The older the car gets the faster they were according to your fading memories. A 72 Demon 340 4 speed with a 3.55 gear out of the box will run mid to high 14s. To get high 12s we are talking serious serious tuning and mods. Are there tear downs after the races? A super blueprint and balance, super tune, steep gears, internal mods. All things being equal and they never are, you need 10 rwhp per .1 of a second as a rough guide. So you need roughly 100 rear wheel horsepower to drop a second. People, a 13 second car is roughly 4 to 5 car lengths on a 14 second car.
my mother had a olive drab green dodge demon, not sure if she had a 318 or 340 in hers as it had a/c, but it was a v8. she'd tear the streets of baltimore up in that car, used to scare the daylights out of me many times
Just putting a 780 Holley double pumper on my '69 Road Runner 383 made Huge difference. Was that stock?
Not as far as NHRA, you must run stock carb. Thermoquad on this motor, but you can blueprint them and smooth venturis etc.
This ZL1 is a tribute/repllica/clone, and a beautiful stunning one at that.
My dads 71 Demon was a bit quicker, but we put a 71 440 in it. Was a factory 318 car, so it needed MoPower and it got it.
It also received a built 727 and 8.75" rear with SureGrip and 4.10 gears + traction bars. It was tagged and insured.
Love these cars ....
A true ZL-1 69 camaro ? The ZL-1 427 could only be ordered on a copo ticket. I have been racing and building this stuff all my 60 years of life, and I have only seen one of these, and that was back in the '70's. Even if its a re-pop, its a damn good looking one.
The video skipped who was the winner and what speeds they run
I paid exactly 2600 for my 72. 225 slant with ac and auto but no power stearing. Stopped by the PX and bought a awesome 8-track. Myomy...
Great Detroit steel !
I’ve been lucky enough to ride in a ZL1. Nothing crazy, but a nice cruise around the park where the super Chevy show was held
You didn’t see ZL1s on the street!
TEARDOWN, TEARDOWN, I want to see the internals of that 340. There's a set of 12.5 to 1 pistons hiding in there & probably an aftermarket cam.
I'm 70 years old and drag raced against those same cars back in the day. THAT'S NOT A STOCK FROM THE FACTORY 340 DEMON.
what is it with you old d-bags and complaining about everything? Can’t you just enjoy the video instead of crying like a baby? You’re fucking obnoxious. Grow up, old timer.
@@therealhonestabe7839 I'm 40 and a Mopar guy but a factory stock 340 sure as hell not going to run those numbers. Not bitching, I actually think it's cool to run that fast while appearing stock. It's just that the commentator of these videos thinks these cars ran like this factory new. Big cam, compression, loose converter, race gas, ported heads, multi angle valve job, can go a long way - without external evidence.
@@mopar1465 he gives the stock numbers genius, I think he understands what they ran back then. Also, if you think a 340 duster/demon needs all those notifications to run in the 12s then you don’t understand drag racing. Read the description box, you make those modifications and any 340 duster/demon will run in the 12s. Pure Stocks has multiple cars do that, and has also mandated multiple tear downs on those vehicles. Guess what… They always pass.
@@therealhonestabe7839 I know they don't need all that to run those numbers, I was just giving an example of what 'could' be done if a car is not subjected to a teardown. Maybe I should have made that clearer for the reading comprehension deficient, genius. Calm down and go work on your Civic.
@the REAL Honest Abe *
old d-bag? complaining about everything? Can't I enjoy the video? crying like a baby? fucking obnoxious? Grow up?
What ugly things to say to someone that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT. Does this mean that we can't be friends Abe? I just don't know if I can bear it, if you aren't my friend Abe.
I completely and thoroughly enjoyed the video. In fact I've been watching Cars and Zebras videos for at least a year or more and no one has been holding a gun to my head. I even enjoy S1apshoes videos. It never crossed my mind that I should have gotten authority from you before I made a joking comment about a video and stated a true fact.
See I'm a 100% disabled exmarine. 100% disabled on "9-Apr-2004" (check out the video on TH-cam, you'll see my name listed among the wounded). I had this crazy ass thought that I had some kind of freedom of thought and speech. You know, those inalienable rights, that us Americans think we have, especially since I had to bury 19 of my friends after that day. See I'm don't know anything about this modern day man that talks big and calls someone names long distance over a computer. I'm use to doing it like the Marine Corps taught me back in 1969. You get your gun and your bullets and I'll get my gun and my bullets. You shoot at me. That will irritate me a little bit and then I'll shoot back at you. We can shoot at each other until one of us can no longer answer the call.
See I might be a d-bag, cry baby ,fucking obnoxious ,old timer that needs to grow up and be a REAL MAN like you, according to you.
Marines have a saying that, once a Marine, always a Marine. See I might be 100% disabled from defending your rights to try to belittle me but I'M STILL A MARINE. I MIGHT HAVE TO CRAWL TO DRAG MY 70 YEAR OLD DISABLED ASS TO THE FIGHT TO ANSWER THE CALL BUT I'LL CRAWL LIKE A GOD DAMN UNITED STATES MARINE.
Considering the disparity in horsepower and torque the Demon gave that Camaro all he wanted.
this is an interesting race the motors are not matched but is shows two things good tuning aside Cubes per mile and internal motor Mass fun to watch thank you
Thanks for watching! 👍
You need a 440 Barracuda against that Camaro.
Last year it was actually slated to go against a 1970 hemi barracuda. However, the barracuda owner blew the engine in time trials.... I’m not kidding.
It would still lose. Mopar had nothing street legal that could beat a ZL1 Camaro
@@boostjunkie2320 my uncle had a 69 A12 roadrunner and blew the doors of a zl1 Chevy could never compete with a hemi or 440
@@taylorpinkney7253 Bullshit!!! You or no one you have ever met has ever seen a real 1969 ZL1 COPO Camaro in person and even if you did the A12 is not 550hp sorry buddy but that car loses everytime.
Try bullshitting someone else fanboy!!
@@taylorpinkney7253 The 440 or the Hemi never came off the showroom floor with over 500hp they lose the 69 ZL1 every time
had a 4 speed '74 360 Duster that could run all day on garbage gas with advanced timing and could pull a stump and go like hell ... it was solid reliable and bullet proof.
Back around 1979 I used to check the classic car section in the Pittsburgh paper every day. More than once I saw a zl1 for sale, usually around 6k.....
6k around that time was quite a bit of money? My dad had told me that the Mopar‘s were especially cheap around then, specifically the 383 cars. Usually not more than a few hundred bucks.
I doubt they were real, they only made 69 of them and some of those were converted to iron block cars by dealer just to sell them. My guess is they were 427 COPO or dealer converted cars iron block cars.
No one was making clones yet in 1979.....the Post Gazette was covering a large area. Over a period of a couple of years, I'm sure they were real. They were at their low ebb of value then. I also kept an eye on musical instruments then and a 58, 59 Les Paul was going for 2 or 3 k. I even saw a flying v for 3 thousand bucks. Only 80 made. Few people including me knew what these things were gonna be worth back then or I would have bought them all......
U guys got no idea. The difference here is tuning and knowing how to drive. These cars have to pass tech inspection. The 340 demon is no different. They are VERY strict on rules.
Love the camaro!
Numbers dont add up?
That demon has had some trickery done, the best I have seen a stock one on street tires run is mid to hi 14 sec. But a 12🤔
72 is pre smog. 74 and newer is smogged and even those would do 14s
So a pre smogged generation shoul easily hit 12s.
@@danc1197 I suppose someone who really knows what they're doing could pull off 12's. When I think about it I've seen identical cars run against one another and one is a full second faster. Myself used to own a stock 302 2 barrel single exhaust that was tuned by an expert racer and I was keeping up with 13-second cars. Sometimes even won.
My 72 with just headers ran 13.90, swapped gears and got down to 13.60. No other mods. Finally I built it, but still no nitrous and a single 4 bbl I finally ran 10.90 but it was far from stock. Lastley we yanked the 340, swapped in a modified 400 at 510 cu inches and ran 9.80 with a fairly mild tune.
Always like those old Demons...
When did a 454 become a 7.4 liter
And when did foot pounds become pound feet
We were racing from the late 50’s through the early 80’s
And it was always cubic inches and foot pounds with
American Muscle
im a chevy guy; but i like the mopar 340. dodge didn't promote it enough back in the day. i need to see one of these match up against a hemi!
I'm a ford guy mustang coyote 77 mach 1
I think the Chevy just got embarrassed by a car with 240 hp and 8 to 1 compression.
The Chevy was a second and a half quicker going almost 20 mph faster. The Demon got the jump off the line because he left early. You can hear the announcer say that he "red lighted". But still, a 12.7 at 101 mph ain't bad at all.
@@livewire2759 its very good but its not stock ...those 72 stock clocked in the high 15's
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 Yeah, these "pure stock" cars usually aren't all that "stock". I'm sure the Demon had a lot higher compression than it had from the factory, and maybe has a few other tricks too.
@@livewire2759 oh it needed alot more than that to go in the 12's. hey i love the cars and everything but im at a point that i like seeing really pure stock cars like they were in the days battling it out in the high 13's to mid 15's , just to get a real whiff of the good old days
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 I'm right there with you, I have always wanted to see the cars in factory original, day 1 condition with no modifications at all, just to see what they could really do. That's what this "pure stock" racing was supposed to be, but just like the FAST racing, it didn't take long for guys to realize there were a LOT of modifications they could do and still have the cars look stock enough to pass inspection. What pisses me off is when I see a car that's clearly been modified, like this duster, and guys in the comment section talk like the car was doing that when it was brand new. Some defend their car to the death even when it's a mid '70s, low compression, emission controlled model and they still think low 11s is slow for it.
My 68 Dart GTS 340 also had alum. bearings.
They both run great, but that’s a mismatch at that weight.
The 4-speed Hemi CUDA would be fun against that Zl-1
🤔 I better do a search 🏁