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- This one is huge. We have invented something that will allow Heat Pumps to be installed in almost ANY home across the UK, whilst being more efficient than a gas boiler. Let us know what you think!
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This is exactly what the industry needs! Thanks Adam! 💪
Amazing bit of kit, this is going to really make heat pumps more accessible for so many homeowners! Well done Adam & the HG team!
Looking forward to the deep dive, especially given that it can be used horizontally.
Am I right in thinking that you're releasing this design in the public domain, given that you've asked for other manufacturers to run with it? If so that's fantastic, exactly what the industry needs.
Yep. We don’t have time for patenting bull shido. To many homes to get off gas!!
@@HeatGeek That's fantastic, the industry needs more collaboration to overcome the challenges. Thank you!
@@HeatGeekif everyone goes off gas, which supplies 80% of a homes energy, there is not the cable infrastructure to carry the electric, meaning blackouts which is what they want, well done for serving the agenda for profit
A low temperature thermal store, what a great idea Adam. I know you are a busy boy but could really do with your help when it comes to training the next generation for our industry, if we are not careful there will not be any engineers to up-skill.
It’s been too easy for too long… now to become a good engineer the requirements are far greater then they were 10 years ago, which is obviously great… but it may hinder the industry for a while.
Good job that Heat geek are here! Truly setting the bar for the industry 🙌
The main reason I rejected a recent proposed heat pump installation was the size of the standard cylinder I was goingto lumbered with. 180 litres for 36sqm one person home was well out of order. This, this is JUST what I would want and need to fit in my place. Cant wait to have a chat with an installer. Maybe the likes of BG, Octopus etc could look at these cylinders?
As you say, this is a game changer for those that bleat that homes havent room.
Well done you all; super impressed!
The main reason most people reject ASHPs is 1. They can’t afford the install costs 2. Their home is so poorly insulated, it would never heat with Low Temperature CH 3. They are cheaper running a Gas Boiler.
Natural Gas is here to stay chaps!!!
Global Warming is a con!!
Viva fossil fuels!!
This will change our decision on getting a heat pump, it’s a game changer.
They are not really.
@@johnburns4017 I’ll edit it then, they are a game changer for us
Game changer. I was starting to feel a bit disillusioned after seeing these massive HP installations with plant rooms. I wondered how I would fit a large tank in my narrow airing cupboard.
Great innovation, looking forward to the dip dive to see where the pump, valves etc are located as space is always a premium.
The kind of innovation we need in this day and age, I look forward to learning more.
Wow, great idea! Can these be implemented to serve more than one mini tank per house, to save on heat loss from pipes on long runs or on heat returns.
For example could one go under a kitchen sink and another above a bathroom in a small loft? Would they essentially be like 2 zones but for DHW?
In an old flat I had, there was an old dumpy cylinder in a very high cupboard, this would have been great.
Yes
Mini store that runs on solar would be nice
Finally a hot water solution for combination boiler customers. Well done everyone at heat geek
🙁 but what about us?
@@NewarkCylindersMarketingWhose idea was it?
It's a very interesting idea and looking forward to see the video tomorrow. I would seriously consider this if starting again, but it's now given me a good idea that I could configure my system so heating and DHW flows operate simultaneously, so the DHW is heated in the background at no more than 40, as if it was just another radiator, and always be at or near my set temp of 40, without the need for a separate DHW cycle.
Isn't 40 often much too warm? No weather comp?
@jfinnie78 dhw set temp 40, radiator flow temp varies between 30 and 40 based on both outside and room temps (auto adaptation)
Genuinely, finding a place for a cylinder was my biggest problem, this is legit a big deal!
Great work you guys are doing. Although I do resent that now every time I see a heat pump I ask myself "I wonder if installer did a heat loss calculation?". See so many giant units on small 2/3 bed semis, mostly housing association, makes me weep.
I will be shouting about this from the roof tops! Fantastic, superb, impressive and game-changing. Love you HeatGeek!
Love what Heat Geeks are doing. If recharge happens at 40c+ does that mean that there will be an issue with bacteria growth?
Not because this is a hygienic boiler. The solution is excellent because until now no small hygienic boiler have been built.
To comply with Legionella rules an immersion is fitted in the cylinder so this will need to be heated to 60 degrees
Looks like you have been using your brains and experience.
Clever idea will plumber be able to access pipes in a kitchen cupboard it will be a tight squeeze 😊😊 in my opinion keep it separate from kitchen cupboard.
Looks amazing. We have an under house combi and height is our limiting factor. Have already had quotes from a couple of heat geek installers so I’ll ask them about this product.
Heat geeks, I salute you
If it sounds too good it probbably is can you run a bath with it while heating your home and doing the washing ? how often does it break down what is the restart procedure what tempreture is it limited too as obviously this also matters what is it's capacity you said two showers that doesn't make one bath so rather curious there because I still like my baths
Well done guys, can’t wait to install one
Nice Adam, but with no heat geek installers in Scotland I'm finding it hard going forward to make the jump. Still enjoying all the videos though 👍
Apologies, we’re building the platform and expanding to Scotland as quickly as possible!
Yip, would agree with that and disappointed there is no companies taking up your mantle. Keep up the good work and hopefully soon someone up here will 👌👍
There are no Elites but a few of the bottom two levels. We are in south Fife just north of Edinburgh and are trying to get our nightmare 200yr/70yr mix of a cottage heat pump ready, can these combis go in a cold loft space?
I live in North Ayrshire and have just had a heat pump installed last week by Ross McWhirter of Stewart Temperature Solutions in Ayr who is Heat Geek certified. I can't recommend Ross highly enough because he has done a great job with our installation and really knows his stuff. He is also very comfortable to explain his reasoning for decisions and will listen to any concerns and adapt the solution to your needs. The attention to detail he went into during our installation was incredible. I'm an engineer myself and am a bit OCD about many things but the quality of his work was top notch. I believe his company are planning to pursue Verified and Elite status as soon as they can so hopefully Scotland will be on the Heat Geek map soon! I know he also travels the length of the UK to do installations and did one in Dorset recently. Ross is the nicest guy you will ever meet and is very generous with his time so give him a call and see if he can help you out. Just tell him Craig from Asseyfaulds Cottage recommended him. :)
I'm also happy to help in any way I can by talking about the whole process. I got funding from the energy saving trust who cover £9k as a grant plus £7.5k as an interest free loan, leaving about £2k for me to cover myself. The loan is repayable over up to 10 years but you can repay earlier if you want to with no penalty. That price included replacing 17 radiators throughout our home with much larger emitters.
Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions.
We're Edinburgh based covering Central Scotland, please get in touch to discuss your project 😊
Amazing as always from the Heat Geeks! 👏🏾👏🏾
Brilliant. Well done HG.
This looks great. I'm getting an survey done soon and wondered if you'd recommend this if you can have space for the super cylinder? 🙂
Its depends really. The largest one of these can be very efficient and still create lots of spare room
An encouraging development.😀👍
This is great news! Awesome product and specs.
1 year too late for me. I swapped a very old boiler for a combi gas boiler and that has made a huge difference already. In future I'd love something like this. The only thing I use hot water for that requires a boiler other than the heating in the winter is hand washing and doing the washing up occasionally. Everything else is electric (shower, dishwasher, washing machine) so there was no call for daily heating up a large cylinder only to not use it.
Can we start in The Netherlands with heat geek as well?? Almost all installers I come across do not have the proper knowledge and these kind of cylinders are not available here on the market :( Would love to bring the to NL and the EU!
Get them to take our training and join the community please!
Why not make them in an appliance housing like a white good product. Similar to a dishwasher, or fridge? Would save a lot of fookin about trying to install in a base unit. Put it on castor wheels with levelling feet screws. A hole in the back that allows a plumber to fit pipes at 90’ off the wall that come through tothe front for easy connection. You could even supply these with the kit. Make the feet adjustable from inside the unit so easy levelling. A barrel shape in a cube is easy to do. You could easily add hard foam insulation panels that slot in. This design gives you easy fitting, maintenance and a neat finish. Front door access could be locked with Allen key heads for child safety. You can pay me in product for my idea….. I’m in Oz lol .
We’ve made the design open source. We’ll leave that up to others
The full Mini Store specification (including performance data) can now be found on our website. It will be available to order from August 12th 2024.
Good work : Look forward to the detail !
Very intriguing! And it's so amazing to see how you're willing to share this technology with the whole industry to speed up the decarbonisation of the UK housing stock! 👏🏻👏🏻
I do wonder ... aren't Newark a bit annoyed with this approach given that they will no longer be the sole manufacturers of this unique tank?
Out of interest, is a large cylinder still going to be more efficient if you have the space for it? It seems you can get even higher efficiencies with your Mini Store than a standard cylinder?
Currently waiting for planning permission to install a Daikin 6kW ASHP and 180L High Gain Joule cylinder through Octopus for a very very low price ... but I'm still evaluating my options!
Interested to watch your forthcoming deep-dive video!
Keep up the amazing work! 😎👍🏼
Well we invented it.. so they either get this free marketing or just get to make it after someone else in the industry.
There’s no way of patenting this as we have so much prior art
The heat geek super cylinder is the most efficient
Hi Adam, you say this is for smaller homes. Could you not use two or maybe three in larger domestic properties strategically located to minimise the long runs and the long waiting times for hot water to reach the rooms that are far from the storage unit?
Yes.. the largest one will probably be ok on its own though
Indirect water tanks storing both solar energy and geothermal energy have been used for 30-40 years in North America. Am I missing somewhere where the innovation part happened? Smaller size? I'm just curious what the difference is between this and a standard in direct storage tank?
Yea you’re missing the video that details what it is and how it’s works. Due at 4pm sunday
@@HeatGeek is it like an indirect storage tank that has a controller system built into it similar to the HBX ECO-0600 Geothermal Controller ? Allowing you to set up parameters of when and how the tank(s) are being used? I look forward to your video with the details.
Looking forward to the more detailed video. I'm guessing its a thermal store somehow optimised for Heat pumps. Can't help but think you would still need high temperatures with such a small cylinder so struggle to see how it would be cheaper to run than sunamp (though expect upfront cost would be lower) so interested to see what you have done. Anyway, if its a thermal store then great, my brother had one in a new build about 20 odd years ago, thought it was ace. G3 not needed too?
Historically thermal stores have been absolutely crap as you keep the heating water at hot water temperatures.. keen to k own what he thought was good about it?
@@HeatGeek Yes, not as efficient (bit like the sunamp) but nice all the same. So this isn't a thermal store then?
So this is heating a water jacket that then heats the hot water pipes? Would you suggest this where space is not a concern (seems like you would)?
You guys are amazing!
Can you tell more about the design of the coil. I heard you mention it's a coil within a coil? Thanks in advance
The coil sizes varies between the five models, and they are as large as possible in the space available to maximise performance.
These will ve fantastic for the single or dual occupancy homes. But for a family getting showers each in the morning, it might be a stretch. Not unfeasible, but a bit more thinking. Recharge time is quite quick though.
I’ve lived with it for 6 months. I have 3 daughters and a miss.. seems fine to me
Curious for the introduction Sunday, Keep up the brilliant work.
At 4:28 there is a huge problem with the heat geek map, on the right side just after the blue bit there are no certified installers.😒
Silly question...but does this a combination of a heat pump and a cylinder?
No. Watch the video due out tomorrow 😊
@@HeatGeek can’t wait! 🤓
Great. Is the invention the insight that a HW cylinder can be sized to customer requirements, designed for ease of installation and for low temperature charging? Is there any additional control function?
Many thanks.
Just a note from a kitchen designer, if the cylinder is 475mm wide it won't fit inside any 500mm cabinet because of the cabinet sides, however if you can remove the cabinet and attach the door to an adjacent cabinet then that could work.
Or just remove the front half of the side the door isn’t attached to..
Good point though. I’ll see if we can shrink
Might it be time for manufactures start making units to accommodate them👍
@@mikearcher6568 Not so good for retrofit then. Better to make it fit typical units without butchery.
@@HeatGeek The width of the cabinet includes the side panel as it runs all the way from the bottom to the top, so the cabinet might look 18mm smaller, giving a stability/fixing problem, and the door will now overlap beyond the width of the cabinet.
None of this is insurmountable but if you can fix the width of the cylinder then that may be best.
Still a great idea, best of luck with it.
I love it! I bet it's less leak prone than a dishwasher, too.
#bandishwashers
#commentpirate
#replyguy
I'd like to see what solution HeatGeeks can engineer for integrating standard HPWHs (standard US models) with an A2W system. Two water heaters means redundancy and resiliency, when you have room. Due to the need for dehu during shoulder seasons, the efficiency could be quite a bit higher. You could even reverse heat flow into the "standby tank" for some "robbing heat from the cellar" comfort heating in spring and fall.
It also means the sales & end-of-life-for-boiler-or-WH process can be accelerated, one-day installs of HPWHs are possible (I've done it) and you follow up for the big project when the A2W crew has time.
Now, I'm not sure how you'd integrate that into your SCOP number... but I reckon there's savings. Is it worth it?
I'd also like to see a "drainback" system as opposed to a "outdoor dump" for freeze protection valves, but I'm not certain we need to use an overengineered solution with an inert gas that "purges" the ODU... food for thought I guess.
I just can't wait for ICF, a corporation that promotes natural gas pseudoscience for the American Gas Association, to complete their certification process for "energy star boilers" in the US, a process the AGA opposes. What a lovely country America is. No corruption here!
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Correct me if I’m wrong which I usually am, but wouldn’t it be more efficient in a flat for example to have electric shower and under sink heater. Then heat pump for CH / in any scenario where a full tank isn’t viable?
I don't need hot water from a boiler, the shower is electric and I boil the kettle to do the dishes.
I like a smaller volume of piping hot water rather than running the tap down the drain for ages to get a large amount of lukewarm water.
I'm on renewable electric company and use less than 500kwh a year...
What else do I need hot water from a boiler for? Why should I complicate my needs? I just need heating from a small enough size boiler for my flat.
The combi gas boiler I have is probably more meant to handle a semi detached house or something.
Still too many houses with tiny kitchens etc. Space is a premium in this country.
However, the one area that is really rarely used is the plinth area under kitchen units.
If you can come up with an insulated rigid flat bladder tank, strong enough to act as the base replacing the unit feet, you could provide more volume (135l) than the mini store (80-90l) under 3 units worth of plinth space. 4 units and it would be bigger than most existing house tanks. Most houses have more than that factoring in dishwasher and ovens/hobs.
And insulate it.. skill builder talks about this too. I think it’s crazy personally
can i fit this small cylinder as part BUS job, as in will it pass mcs
Yea
Any heat pump of 8kw and more has the ability to directly heat DHW directly without cylinders to ~ 40°C. Now why they won't do that is cost reduction. Frankly it should be mandatory in a country like UK where indoor space is a big issue.
One Greek company is making those heat pumps and they work pretty well.
Millions of home literally just do not have the space for a DHW cylinder.
How does that work with any kind of reasonable flow rate? By my calcs an 8kW output heatpump with 10'C water inlet would only deliver about 4l/minute at 40'C output, which would be considered pretty pathetic by any boiler standard, and not really enough for much of anything.
@@jfinnie78 They have a small buffer tank (~20l) where they keep the water at 40°C and low flow shower heads are a thing.
@@johnzach2057 They're a thing, not a very good thing, but sure. Book your bath half an hour in advance?
20l are always kept at 40°C. So there is no need to plan
Sunamp Thermino is the way forward 👍
OK, the cylinder size is a great idea, but what about the rest of the kit, how much wall space is still needed for the controls and all the other pipe work and manifolds etc? The only space we have is where the boiler is fitted now, in the bathroom. There are 9 apartments in the building I live, all about 85 sq metre, we are not allowed to install any equipment on the outside walls or the roof. There is very little wall space as it is mainly windows. The building itself is very efficient. I keep the apartment at 23 deg C 24/7 in the winter and the Gas bill at the November gas price of 6.8 pence per kwh was a total of 80 pounds per month inc daily metre charges and VAT. I have the direct hot water set at 43 deg C and the Radiator temperature set at 80 deg C, this also included the gas hob for cooking. I can't see me getting much better than this price 80 pounds a month at the actual cubic metres used for that month. I would be screwed without gas, heating using electric, even with a heat pump would cost a fortune.
One thing I did learn, I rented two properties in Budapest, Hungary over two winters, the first place had 4 meter high ceilings and 100 sq metres and massive windows without double glazing sealed units, the Radiator temperature set at 85 deg C, heated the apartment at 25 deg C 24/7 , the second place I rented had 3.5 metre ceilings and was 87 sq metres with double glazing, but had a more modern boiler that would only heat the radiators to a max of 65 deg C. The 65 deg C radiator temp struggled to get the place to 23 deg C in mid winter with a well serviced boiler,. What I found interesting and annoying is that having a lower temperature of 65 deg C on the radiators used twice as much gas and the boiler ran far more hours than the one that heated the radiators to 85 deg C. I had been told that I would not notice any difference, but there definitely is and it cost me double to heat at a lower room temperature, just lucky I was on cheap Russian gas at the time a few years ago.
You need room for a controller and a 3 port valve only. Nothing else
During a non space heating season wouldn’t some ASHP take a while to start to operate at max flow as they need to warm up the compressor oil before working at full capacity? Are some manufacturers noticeably better than others in this regard?
The colours, is it a coincidence it seems to match a large energy supplier, or is there a collaboration coming, knowing they also pushing into heat pumps at the moment?
Haha, it’s a coincidence. Our logo and colour scheme was designed in 2015 and bit changed since.
So you basically repurpose the type of water heater used all over the world. I have never understood why we in the UK are obsessed with heating massive tanks of water. In Spain I have a water heater hanging on the wall where a cupboard would be. We have a family of six and never run out of hot water. You may think I am critical but I think it is an excellent idea. Also the larger thermal stores heated by a heat pump solve the problem of low flow rate in houses with microbore pipes that would not normally be able to use a heat pump for heating.
That would be a very inefficient solution
Question for you, if it's about space, why is this a better solution than a phase change heat battery? Are they less effiecient, more costly, less reliable? What's the pros of this over that? I'm thinking of SunAmp but just in general too.
As per the video this heats at much lower temperatures and waaay more efficient.. and is smaller.
@@HeatGeek Smaller by volume? those are cubes tho, not cylinders, so can fit better in cupboards etc. SunAmp quote 63~65c flow temp from heat pumps like Daikin, so yeah, seems if you can charge from 40c low temp heat pumps, you would be more efficient. However, heat loss once charged might affect your advantage no? I think phase change doesn't dissipate heat once charged right? (very little) Everything's a trade off I guess but cost, size, shape and efficiency (runnng cost) will all need to be weighed up. Do I need a system boiler for this if not running it from an HP
I'm very interested to find out the details of how this works, specs and pricing.
I've been looking at Sunamps for 2 years but the costs are an issue and the form factor isn't ideal.
How do I find out more?
Video out in sunday
Still can't do flats apparently , just checked out your tool . :( There's no "noise issue" here as the potential location of the exteranl unit wouldn't be near a neighbour. So not sure why all flats are discounted. Would be cool if you'd look at installing in a flat like mine.
If you’ve got space for a heat pump and own your own garden, we can absolutely help. Our tool isn’t 100% correct. Just fill out the form where we say “we are not ready for you yet” and one of the team will be in touch!
@@HeatGeek Thanks for answering :) I'll try that. I don't have a garden , but have access onto a flat roof on the rear elevation. That flat roof adjoins a shopping centre who's entire Hvac plant is already operating there (produces noise) Also have a balcony to the front corner of the building which no neighbours are close to. Both are possible locations for a heat pump. + as you know, some Heat pumps are coming in at 45~48 Db these days, Vaillant for eg. A bigger problem is the condensate run off pipe i'd say, but that's not a problem here either.
@@markfernandes2467 great! Sounds do-able!
@@HeatGeek Come down to take a look anytime, I've been tearing my hair out getting rejected on online tools and phone lines by the likes of Octopus, BG & at least 5 other HP installers. Might be a good case studt for you guys.
that is true... i did it the same this year with 300 l boiler.
Is that a photo of one of my jobs?
If you fitted a super cylinder, likely!
Nothing about these on the Newark website. I've had my HG survey but would much rather have a smaller cylinder given I'm a single person household with very limited storage space!
It’s new hence me just announcing it…
If you’re ok waiting, we can now specify a ministore as part of your upgrade. It will be a few months until they are finished manufacturing.
We already have a similar solution in our home in the form of a heat pump boiler, looks like the same design where the heat pump is combined with a cylindrical storage unit that contains about 200L of water. What I am looking for, however, is something like this where I can use a regular heat pump unit with a heat battery to store heat for floor heating. Do you happen to know of any such tech that is available for home owners (and also on mainland Europe)?
Yes Mitsubishi do a cylinder which is effectively a thermal store and is ideal for small properties. The heat pump is 4kw and heats a stored cylinder which can feed underfloor heating/radiators as well.
Is there any reason we aren't putting big cylinders in the useless eaves space in the loft laid horizontally?
Yes horizontal cylinders are crap
Is it possible to run a bath with this? Or would you be paddling in a few mm of water?
As per the video.. I ran a full piping hot bath 10 mins after a 40 mins shower
I heard that in-order to qualify for the BUS grant you *must* follow their guidelines on tank size (which is based on the number of bathrooms in your house) otherwise you won't get the grant. Is that correct or are they just guidelines?
You’ve heard wrong unfortunately, guidelines
Can the big tank be installed horizontally?
Yes
We need Heat Geek’s in Scotland
theres plenty just check out the link map
Surprising, I emailed them a few weeks ago and they said they had nobody.
There are lots of Heat Geek course graduates in Scotland. We are working on bringing the Upgrades platform (Heat pump installations) to the market as soon as possible!
That makes sense, it was a heat pump installation I asked about.
any chance you bringing this to NL?
Have you a figure for cost of water produced against heating oil which of course genuinely rises and falls with market , unlike gas , perhaps taking an average over year or peak and trough per litre , there are many out there on oil who need convincing but need info to do so .
Would this be suitable to install in a loft? We have a chalet style house with fairly limited headroom. We have a heat geek installer coming to quote for a heat pump next month so we’ll definitely add this to the discussion
That’s an ideal location. You can string them too and have even higher efficiency
Truly a game changer. 🤩
Possibly (probably?!) daft question - if it's designed to go in a square cupboard, why is it circular and hence smaller for the same size cupboard?
Less surface area to insulate than a rectangular box, stronger, cheaper to build.
But I agree it is wasted space that could be used for an emergency heater or extra insulaton pads.
@@SolAce-nw2hf cheers, makes sense.
Could someone not just make a rectangular ‘cylinder’. Sacrifice a small amount of efficiency (more surface area/volume) for a much better fit.
We’ve made this open source.. happy for others to do as they please and improve
Adam this is a GAME CHANGER
If you ain't embracing Heat Geek you're a freak
This mini cylinder will make a difference that will make many households consider heat pumps now
A few questions, does this work with an existing gas system? Can you combine two in different parts of the house? are they solar aware? are they intelligent in any way?
Yes yes yes.
That can also go where the gas boiler was
The issue as always is the cost, people just ain’t fitting them even with the grants. Still doesn’t feel like the best method forward HP’s.
Affordability not cost. That will be resolved very soon!
This looks like the perfect solution to my installation problem. How do you deal with using a cylinder smaller than the minimum MCS cylinder size requirement to be compliant with the recommendations of BS 6700?
You look at the wording that says it’s a recommendation
Yes I saw that but I was concerned there was more to it given the way some installers were saying it was a mandatory minimum and they were unhappy to install anything smaller. I guess they just don’t want any come back.
Thanks for the reply.
This is positive of course it is. But what about all the other gubbins required to run a heat pump? The multiple expansion tanks have to go somewhere too.
None required with this design!
No way 😂 that's great! @@HeatGeek
@@chrischild3667 Sunday 4pm. All revealed
What is the reheat time?
As little as 5 mins
How is it zero carbon, what’s generating the electricity to run the heat pump???
Zero carbon at point of use. The internationally agreed approach is to electrify and decarbonise the grid
@@HeatGeek Hmm which proves it’s all smoke and mirrors, I’m sorry but I can’t buy into this zero carbon nonsense, it’s all a massive con like COVID was. Good product though and well done in designing it but can’t beat gas IMO.
I'm just about to have an install by Octopus (already paid deposit) is there anyway for this to be used instead of the cyclinder they provide?
Happy to talk to octopus on your behalf if they are open to it!
@@HeatGeek That would be very exciting. Yes,
@@faux_hobo - Not to be a wet blanket, but good luck convincing Octopus to give you a different tank! I begged them to install a Mixergy tank for me (as they used to install these) but got a flat 'no' every time I asked, followed by 'we just don't do bespoke installs' ... but I wish you all the best in trying to convince them!
@@HorizonimagingCoUkPhotography Yes, in my dealings with them when we were considering a Heat Pump I very much got the feeling that they want everything for their own convenience.
@@devjon123 - to be fair, that's how they can get their prices so low, by optimising / standardising what they install and buying lots of the products ... I'm being a very annoying customer for them at the moment as I've been pushing them to oversize all my radiators so I can run the system at a lower flow temperature 😁
Great concept but unfortunately isn’t the solution to mass market installs.
In what way?
@@HeatGeek way too many variables to consider. The hot water tank is only one logistical cog in the wheel. There’s plenty more logistical issues to factor in……
Which one for a 600l bath?
Any. Depends on the store temp and heat pump input size. We have a calculator
How about the electric taps that produce on demand boiling water?
So it’s just another hot water cylinder? But it’s smaller but you have different sizes?
I don’t see what this changes? Also, of course it would reheat quicker It has less storage because it’s smaller.
Nope
Don’t Aira do a 100lts unit that a similar size to a combi boiler with similar reheat times
No this is much quicker reheat than those. I hope they will adopt this idea
Is this cylinder open or unvented,if unvented where do you fit the expansion vessel and other associated controls/pipework
Neither! Watch our deep technical dive for more info soon!
Now this is interesting…!
Hello , this is mike from amsterdam holland do you have to technical specification and do you deliver to the netherlands
We live in a time of great innovation.
I don't see it online, do you have a link with all the specs?
Can a bath be run off it? Deal breaker if not for me.
Yes not problem at all
Generally it needs to be kept about 5 c hotter for a bath
Can not get anyone to service a pool heat pump. If my heating was from heatpump I rip it out.
So is legionnaires disease not a thing anymore?
Not with this no
America?
Know a guy who'd benefit a ton from an efficient in-cabinet style heater like this.
Based on the thumbnail, I came here expecting to see a heated comb I could use to dry my hair faster.
Does it have to be cylindrical? How much efficiency is lost if it were designed with square sides to better fit into a cupboard, maybe with more insulation? Could be worth playing with a computer model to find out.
These are pressurised cylinders so square shapes don't work so well when under pressure. I see where you're coming from though but I don't see square cylinders coming any time soon.
It’s open source. Will leave that to others
@@craigchamberlain Good point, I had not considered the pressure aspect. Maybe the corners could be separate unpressurised chambers filled with something with a high specific heat capacity, like water?
@@craigchamberlainIf it was square then it would not be a cylinder.😉
@@normanboyes4983 A very good point! Even more reason why I don't see "square cylinders" coming any time soon! 😂
Just wish we could get a heat pump that was fine with existing radiators and 15mm piping.
You can…
@@HeatGeek I need to look in to that then. OvO folks just dismissed me when they said I’d got 15mm. “You’d need to re-pipe the whole house so it’s not worth it”
@@ObsidianWalker we have a video on it.. check it out
@@HeatGeek will do. Feels like maybe a proper survey of my home would be of benefit. Shame as OvO are partnered with Heat Geeks so I’d have expected a more considered approach.
@@ObsidianWalker Sounds like you spoke to the wrong part of OVO. If you head to upgrades.heatgeek.com/c/ovo you can start the process and get a survey of your home.