Great video. No foul language and rubbish music. Thanks a million buddy. Do be careful, as you were riding on the wrong side of the road throughout the whole presentation.
Same! I'll get the mt07 100% whenever I have my licence. I was thinking about a z600 as well, but this lil bastard blew up my mind. Amazing bike. Can't wait to daily ride this beauty!
These "budget bikes" have gotten ridiculously good. The sound is amazing. As an American, I will never understand how HD is the number one selling brand here with options like this out there.
HD are bought by OLDer Americans who really rides, still the staple for the younger people of American 19-30 year olds are the Sports Bike. HD sales all over are down.
Ozzie Horne I highly recommend getting torque gearing and an exhaust, doesn’t matter which one they all sound amazing! Unless you like the quiet that is
I've been watching these motorcycle review videos for years but I've never seen anything close to this. I've subscribed and will watch your videos right up to the day you run head on with a 18 wheeler. Good luck mate.
Bar end mirror + remove rear light + hand guard + oz rims + accossato on the clutch and front break + brembo on breaking + hell on the cables + maybe ohlins on both rear and back = absolute beauty.
Adjustable rebound damping on the rear shock too from 2018 onwards 😉 ...... and yeah corrosion is still an issue for some unfortunately ... the paint finish on the 07 is a bit hit n miss, ya might get lucky and have no issue but ya also might not be so lucky 🤷♂️ Good job it has a freaking awesome engine to make up for it ... makes more torque than an R6 and the 07 is lighter too 😁
I own the exact same one. You get much motorcycle for a fair price. Only disadvantage is, if bought new, you'll never get quite the same money for it like you spent.
I got real lucky on my 2018 MT07. Bought from a dealership used with only 78 miles on it. Cost went from $8000+ brand new to only paying $5750. The original owner's wife forced him to return it when she found out he bought it behind her back! Lol.
I have the 2018 one, with the same fly screen and exhaust as this one. The suspension is terrible, the brakes aren't confidence inspiring, ABS is far too sensitive and the horn button still catches me out sometimes after 11 months (3700 miles and counting). But still, that engine is just so good. It looks cool as fuck and sounds great too. It's fun for evening and weekend rides on the type of roads you rode in this video but being small and light, it's also good fun to filter through a city in rush hour on. For those of us who have yet to hit on the kind of financial success that enables casually dropping nearly half a year's wages on a Street Triple or KTM, I don't think there's a more fun or better all around middle-weight naked bike.
Poor suspension and mediocre brakes seems a common problem in the affordable middleweight class... See mt07, SV 650, z650. Only ducati Monster and cb650r dont have this problems but they are more expensive
i guess u get what u paid for..as for the brakes and stuff u just gotta deal with it,or just upgrade the braking system..but its a fun bike..i got to ride it for a week and i love it.. but its the 2017 model tho..
@@zer0h0n0ur3 Yeah and as plenty of 'motovloggers' have pointed out - it is really aimed at those of us in our twenties (only just still under 30, in my case) getting our first 'big bike'. Another year or two and I'll sell/part exchange it for a Street Triple R or a Z900. Or perhaps the Streetfighter V4 or a Tuono.
Insouciance Incarnate cry baby if the bike was 3k brand new still you would complain please go home ur drunk the bike is awesome I got it suspension is no problem breaks are not the best but they slow the fucking motor sown what else you want?
I’m very excited for the 2021 MT-07 update. If it’s anything like the 2020 Tracer 700 I assume it will fix most of the issues. I’d buy the new Tracer 700 if they sold it in the US! Anyway, I had a 2015 one of these and the engine was absolutely the highlight, but the brakes and suspension ruined the whole experience. They must be upgraded. 4 years later I have a current SV650 and it’s better in almost every respect. Which has the better engine/transmission or styling is debatable. Oh and the seat on the SV650 is an absolute plank, but the 2015 MT-07 wasn’t much better and I’m happy they improved it for the current one. Overall I think the Yamaha wins for ergonomics, especially legroom, but handling and overall refinement I give to the Suzuki.
My only ride on a Yamaha, was my mates RD 200 back in the late 70s. The suspension dived braking unsettling the bike pre corner. Perhaps it was just his bike but I always went for Kawasaki's or Honda's.
The Motorbike Shop in Farnborough. Great place. That's where I got my 07 ice fluo from a couple months ago. 🤟 I'm also pretty sure I test rode the RAG as well!
The MT07 statistically has been proved to be the most reliable bike in it class since 2014. Although I don’t think you can really go wrong with any Japanese bike.
Yamaha have been the most unreliable brand I've owned. Stats are of little comfort when you have issues. Can you provide the source for that information too? It would be interesting to see how that's been determined. Also there's a saying, "There's lies, damn lies and then there's statistics".
@@Englishbikerdan Just google it. It is well known that Yamaha has been the most reliable motorcycle manufacturer .. I agree, that a bad personal experience of ownership would cloud anyone’s judgement on a brand as it has certainly yours. I personally wish it was Triumph
@@Steve-motorcycles Did you know Yamaha had the highest number of recalls over the last decade? I think the study you are referring to is the consumer reports reliability study, which studied 11,000 consumers who bought new motorcycles between 2008 and 2014. If you look at total sales over those years though, the report covers a tiny fraction and it was more of a survey really. So not really accurate at all to determine the most reliable brand as it's a tiny snapshot of total worldwide sales. Either way, all brands have issues but Yam has had the most for me. Honda has been the most reliable for me personally.
@@Jafmanz what you talking to i have almost died 4 times while driving a car motorcycle Atv. my worst one was on an atv 50mph crash on a curve but all i got was cute and bruises and a little rash. i was i slid and flew off a little bump of dirt. and less than a meter beside it was a guard rail
I own a black 2019 master of torque model for over 3 months and I love everything about it! At low RPMs, it behaves like a kitten and at high it's like a beast. On this bike, you just measure fun per mile nothing else. It's my first bike so I really think it's the best beginner bike out there...I am sure I will keep it for some time! Cons? Maybe that sometimes I get a blank shift indicator(somehow it gets stuck in some gear... and vibrations around 4-5k rpm, but I guess they are normal for inline 2 engines? Right?
ACF50 never solved the issue. I even had a new swingarm under warranty which was corroding after 4 months. It's preventative and not a magic cure. I had EBC pads on the mine which were better but they're still pretty awful brakes.
EnglishBikerDan mine is a 2016 bike with 35k on the clock. When I got the bike I dabbed a bit oh black Hammerite paint along the weld and under the chain,, sprayed it with acf50 regularly and never had an issue. The brakes are not the best but swapped the pads recently with Brembo’s and they are so much better. As for the coolant pipes, I have sprayed those with heat resistant engine paint and they look like new. A tad of maintenance on this bike and it will last the test of time. For the price, it’s a great bike. I commute all year round so it’s now been through 4 winters
@@Steve-motorcycles I had mine around 3 years and did about 25k miles in total and 2 winters. The swingarm was rusty, frame (under the tank) was rusted, lots of other minor areas too. Coolant pipes of course as that's a well known one. It's a cheaply made fun bike but sometimes, giving it all the TLC makes little difference as the paint is so thin. I know many people powder coat the swingarm now which resolves the issue. It should be needed though. I also had about 4 sensors fail in those 3 years so it left a very bad taste. It was the most unreliable bike I've had in 20 years. A real shame as that engine is awesome.
Honestly, I don't know why your even review this bike, having owned it already. I bought the 2019 in that color. Honestly the color is great. The instrument cluster is good. It just shouldn't be that low and forward. Why Yamaha puts the key up front, to me, is stupid. I'd have rather had the older version with soft suspension because, believe me, this ain't a comfy highway/commuter. It is a stellar urban assault vehicle though. But I have a better one. And I'm not talking about the 2011 Ninja 1000 I did an even trade for my MT-07 with 11,500 miles on it in one year. Never had an issue with the MT-07. The bike is like a frog that wants to jump all day. My 1986 SRX600 is my urban assault vehicle. Smooth, predictable, and 287lbs wet. Good review though. It is easy to get it out of shape as you said. I think more people want the MT-09 because it's way more power.
I owned a 2016 M07, as I said and there were updates. It made a lot of sense to test the new one as they'd made a few changes. Sadly, for me, they weren't enough to tempt me back to 'the dark side of Japan' but I understand why people like the bike. It's all about that engine, which is a very fun unit.
Looking at this review as I plan on doing my full license soon and I'm going "this route at the start looks very familiar..." Turns out it's my commute to work 😂😂👌🏻👌🏻 great review though - covers pretty much everything I'm looking to know about it!
Haha, yes I live locally so it's my commute too! MT07 is a very fun bike despite some issues. Good luck with the test and hope all goes well. Cheers! Dan ✌️
I am am currently doing my licence on this bike and I can tell you that a 180 kilos is not light... I almost dropped it and the fact that I am on my first bike ever says something I do not recommend this to beginners. It goes up to 35-40 in first gear and the throttle is hella sensitive. Thats my experience and also my opinion. It is still a great fun bike ngl but its not for a first timer.
The first bike I rode was a CB500. I can tell you it was terrifying. However, I soon got used to it and by the time I took my test I was looking for a bike with more power. You'll get used to it and in no time it'll seem easy. Good luck with your test.
I know this is a old video. They should make a mt07 sp with öhlins suspension like the mt09, that would be awesome. We need a 2023 ride review, to see if Yamaha got that suspension sorted out. I tried sitting on a 2022 and to me the seat felt really hard, if I bought one I would definitely buy the comfort seat for it
Hey, I visited the showroom to see the bike and noticed the seat noise was squeaking loads (from the seat rubber touching the tank). The sales people said it was 'normal' which I found very strange. Little squeak is understandable but a big squeak isn't normal for me when the engine is off. Has anyone ever experienced this?
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks for letting me know! I heard a solution is to put some silicon to avoid it, otherwise i guess just some masking tape to avoid the rubbing!😅p.s. after watching the cb650r review, i prefer the exhaust much more but unfortunately they dont sell them where i live, so mt-07 it is! Thanks for your reviews, keep them up!
Love a bit if Pirbright bends! If you carry on instead of taking the right hand turn down the national limit road, then take a left under the bridge at the T junction, those bends towards Deepcut are far more fun imo. Also, another great one is Bourley Road, goes between Fleet and Aldershot. Really nice fast, twisty road.
DNA filter, ECU flash, and full exhaust really REALLY beefs up the midrange and allows it to make more peak HP without the falling off. As far as the brakes "lacking feel," please consider the bike is new, the brakes not bedded, and you'll need at least a couple hundred miles to evaluate what the brakes are going to do without changing.
It certainly had enough miles on it to have bedded the pads in. I also owned one of these bikes and the brakes were the same, they lack feel and bite but it's a cheap bike so goes with the territory.
@@exothermal.sprocket Yep, if the 07 had the 09 brakes that would be so good. I still maintain they need an MT07 SP. I would happily pay an extra £1000 - £1200 for better suspension, brakes and a quickshifter. The engine is perfect as it is on the 07.
Thinking of getting this as my second bike. As i'm only 21 i'm restricted to an A2 licence, would this be a good bike? My main concern is the brakes, don't seem very good at all if you were using a full fist full! I'm wondering if new brake pads & lines would help fix that.
It's interesting actually that you mention corrosion issues with the coolant pipes and swingarm; i ride an XJ6 (the bike this replaced) and i had to replace one of the coolant pipes, and treat the swingarm due to corrosion. With that in mind, i'd suspect its a general issue with all mid range, mid sized yamahas?
One of my friends bought this bike, within 2000ish miles his swing arm was rusted to hell, he ended up selling it on and getting a Speed Triple. Enjoyed his time on it just a shame about it rusting up so quickly.
@@Englishbikerdan Yeah, just a shame that two years on from your MT-07 and they've still not sorted the rusting issue. Anyways loving the content buddy, got my DAS booked in this year and I can't wait. A big 40yr old kid waiting for it hehehe.
Perfect commuting bike and is a lot of fun if that’s your thing . Yeah it has some issues like you mentioned , I abuse this bike a lot in first gear - everyone rides differently 😂
yes, the new model still has corrosion issues; they only updated the suspension components, the seat and the styling (*actually i see you covered that) i don't understand how you can say the throttle response is ok from a cable throttle though; you open it and it goes that said i agree with you on the other points. power output plummets after 9000 rpm, best point to shift is probably no higher than 9500. suspension is soft, dive is pretty bad and it produces some unnerving wobbles every now and then. i'm upgrading my suspension soon-ish so i hope to have a valid opinion on how it changes the bike. i'm also changing to bridgestone s22 tyres soon; on the racetrack i found the front-end grip in particular, lacking, which severely hampered my corner exit speed. brakes could definitely be better, but it's far from the worst i think lol
It's just a feeling I had from the throttle. Some bikes you feel like it's more direct and on this one, it almost felt like the cable was just a little bit slack but on my 2016 it was the same. One of those things that's hard to quantify but how it felt to me. I'm sure with better suspension this thing would be such a brilliant all round bike. I'd love to see an MT07 SP.
I have my MT 07 2019 en route as I am typing this comment. Although I'm more into supersports the smaller width of the handlebars on the MT and the riding position make it a better city-bike. Just a quick question man: I too noticed the weakness of the brakes. But did you have the chance to test the ABS? if yes how responsive is it?
For me the ABS is far too aggressive on this bike. When it cuts in you really feel it and it basically reduces the effectiveness of the brakes. That's in essence how ABS works but to me it gets in the way quite a bit on this bike but then I've spent more years riding without ABS than I have with it.
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks for your reply man really appreciate it. And you explain things quite nicely both in your videos and your replies. You have yourself a subscriber from Cyprus ;)
I had a -16 model aswell. Really liked it, but after a year I was done with the "rollercoaster". But a good bike, lightweight and lovely engine. (I have a RnineT Pure now.) Well done Dan!
@@Englishbikerdan No, "only" 116Nm. And 110 bhp. But it's enough! Between you and me, I lifted the front wheel shifting from 5th to 6th gear in 180km/h!!!
@@Englishbikerdan I did a testride on the R1250R aswell. Lovely bike! But there's more rock'n'roll in the RnineT, imo. Or as they say at the petrolstation "who owns the old BMW?" Ha ha!
Question. I am about to get my license so i am looking for a bike not to toy arround and make sure that it will help me in the road as long as i respect the rules. So is it a good first option for someone who hasn't ride before motorcycle?? By the way nice video and thanks a lot for the great presentation.. Keep up the good job
Fantastic bike great video. I've just ordered a black mt 125cc for my son. I'm a bit concerned though that they will keep the new bike and deliver the black mt 125cc they've had in there showroom for a while. Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening like writing down the vin number of the showroom model if so is it visible without removing anything thing.
@@Englishbikerdan so it's fine to copy the vin down of the showroom bike it's not illegal or anything. After all I'm just making sure I get the bike I'm paying for.
If you come to Jamaica n ride one of the Chinese bikes they have here for a good 6 months.. Then go on the Fz, mannn ur gonna see how much better the Fz is in all categories even braking.
Just sayin, theres not much point in blurring the speedo. The fuzz know how long those centre lines are and can pretty accurately gauge your speed from that alone.
Now you just need to go back and re-review the 2019 SV650, since the footage from your SV650 review was lost anyway. (they upgraded the brakes for 2019)
Idk if many people know but the previous model Mt07 the handlebars pushed forward and back due to the bearings holding it and its now stiff on the new model which I thought was a nice adjustment
Front forks require shortening of internal spacer by 10mm with 20w oil and the rear needs complete changeout as they are non serviceable items that last 6000 miles anyways before the oils break down and the bike handles further like a bowl of fruit...
@@Englishbikerdan Yeah I bought one of them for my Son in South Africa when they first launched and nobody could assist with the Front forks other than upping oil so was advised to email Dave. Very helpful chap as he too assisted me with dialing in my Buell 1125 and 1190 track bikes. 🙏👌
I own a 1988 CBR250R MC19 and stand 5'11" (180cm) tall. I'm looking at getting a better bike naked bike type with more power/torque, all rounder bike and will enjoy it a lot around towns/highways. Do you recommend for me a MT-07 or MT-09?
@@Englishbikerdan ok cool, I pretty much want something more power/torque, also a all rounder, as my Mc19 is to slow for me lol. I definitely want a MT-07 or MT-09 for my next bike :)
@@Aurelius_Mind If you want a bike that's easy to live with, feels smoother, and riders smoother, get the z400. The engine requires a bit of input to get going. It's feels sluggish if you're just looking for that punch and you'll notice it getting slightly annoying around the city/town when you'll be having to hold the revs high just to be able to bust a move. The annoying part will the the unnecessary sound and effortsome throttle input. Thankfully, the gear ratios feel long and don't require frequent shifting. But the bike feels smooth, no noticeable vibes, strongly built. The braking, although adequate for the bike, feels softer when compared to the 390. Also the ABS is a lot more intrusive on it and kicks in annoyingly sooner which makes enthusiastic riding on it kind of a gamble. It just feels kind of "not there yet" if you really wanna play hard. Okay now for the 390. Just get this if you don't ever wanna stop having fun. This bike is fun all day long, any day. I keep telling all my friends that torque is where the fun is at if you really wanna play that hard. This bike is such a hoot to ride anywhere you take it. The torque kicks in alot more earlier which makes riding in the city a bliss. The early torque is just a sucker punch in the face out on the curves and while enthusiastic riding. It could feel like a bit too much for a novice, as opposed to the z400, which is a bit more friendly in that aspect. This bike is just so eager and it can be seen in it's DNA. It's purposely built to handle enthusiastic riding. It's got a slightly bigger front disc rotor with steel braided brake lines and sintered brake pads and boy does that make a difference in braking. It drops a really sure footed anchor when and where you want it to. The ABS unit is beautifully programmed and doesn't feel intrusive at all, even under really hard braking. The engine feels slightly vibey at lower rev ranges but smoothens out surprisingly as the revs climb. You might feel the need to shift gears alot more frequently because if you're not in the right gear, the engine begins coughing violently. The bike is really strongly and well built quality wise, but KTMs have a questionable reputation in terms of frequent valve blow ups. (The ones sold here are surprisingly doing well so far, not so much in the American market though). I feel like it's much more convenient being a single, and since all the ones sold around me are doing pretty good so far without any issues. The Kawi comparatively, will run without any hiccups for life. The 390 has a gorgeous instrument cluster, arguably the best in class, even upto some middleweight segment bikes, with tonnes of info on display and even lets you connect to your phone, take or reject phonecalls and change music tracks, which is super fun! All in all, if you really want a bike that you can depend on any time, and if you know that you don't plan on riding really hard, get the Kawi. Not to say that its not fun, it's okay but it definitely feels shy of the KTM. But if you know for sure that you're gonna be a street Rossi, and and want the more fun bike, get the 390. And it's not uncomfortable by any means. They're both comparable in terms of riding comfort. Not to say that the KTM is a bad quality machine or has issues, which it doesn't, but it's definitely not up to the quality levels of the Kawi. How do I have a confident say in this? Well, I own the 390 myself and my brother owns the z400. Have fun, on either one of them! :) Edit: Forgot to mention that the KTM has a stiffer suspension setup, especially in the front and feels quite jumpy on bumps but it helps to keep it really sharp and planted on any corner, if its not a bumpy corner. The rear feels adequately sprung for my weight. The Kawi on the other hand is very adequately sprung for everyday riding, it is slightly softer in the front than the KTM. Its feels better on the bumps compared to the KTM. It also stays very true in a corner. You won't feel it giving out unless you're trailbraking or entering a corner really hot. Cheers! Also edit 2: Try to get a test ride on both of them and you'll know for sure. Good luck to you!
@@MrDavidRosca yeah but only when there's a pillion on. Otherwise it's pretty wide and accommodating. I don't really know if the bike you tested had lowered front forks but the seats are pretty horizontal, without any apparent slant. This is also a very bad thing for the pillion since it takes a lot of effort from your bum muscles to be able to stay planted on that bike. It just feels like you could slide off of it any moment.
I would like something that is fun but quality which I know the MT lacks in I.e rust, brakes etc. My other option is the cb650r which looks amazing, however I’m scared their won’t be any grunt or fun on the Honda due to it being a 4 cyclinder and about 20 odd kg heavier, does it still accelerate well down low in town and does it blow you away like the MT in regards to acceleration from low to medium rpm p.s I’m not too bothered about top end speeds as I rarely do more than 70 👍🏻 Many thanks keep up the vids 💪🏻
The 650 will beat the MT07 in a drag race, even quite early on. That's good enough for me. The MT is more immediately punchy though but it quickly tapers off. Both are good bikes in their own right.
Great video. No foul language and rubbish music. Thanks a million buddy. Do be careful, as you were riding on the wrong side of the road throughout the whole presentation.
Left is right. 😁
Obviously lol
@@kf8575 Don't be that guy, Ken..
@@kf8575 woooosh
Lunoir NSX beat me to it
I respect your respect.
I mean respecting the language by using no foul language and respecting the viewers by giving them a professional review.
Already made my mind up, this will be my first proper bike when I pass my test. Perfect for city/Twisty A roads I’ll be commuting in.
great choice
I envy your choice...good luck
You won't be disappointed. Lovely machine, docile as hell in slow traffic but is eager as out on the open road. A beaut
Which other ones were you considering?
Same! I'll get the mt07 100% whenever I have my licence. I was thinking about a z600 as well, but this lil bastard blew up my mind. Amazing bike. Can't wait to daily ride this beauty!
These "budget bikes" have gotten ridiculously good. The sound is amazing. As an American, I will never understand how HD is the number one selling brand here with options like this out there.
That they have! I remember when I passed my test, there just wasn't the sort of choice you have now. Thanks!
The Americans buy HD because it is American there are far better bikes in Japan/UK/Italy/Germany
they make HDs so the nazis will something to ride on.
HD are bought by OLDer Americans who really rides, still the staple for the younger people of American 19-30 year olds are the Sports Bike. HD sales all over are down.
I was really into the R3 for my first bike but I think I’m in love with this bike
If you sit close to the gas tank and rev the engine, your balls will get tickled.
lmao
And that's why I ride with my pants undone.
People think I’m joking but I’m completely serious. It’s a great bike though... cheers from the USA.
Neat
That’s exactly why I constantly blip the throttle at a red light.
Just bought one of these, super excited.
Don't get a speeding ticket 😆
I have this exact same bike. just bought itabout a month ago best bike I've ever owned fun as hell, highly recommend
Ozzie Horne I highly recommend getting torque gearing and an exhaust, doesn’t matter which one they all sound amazing! Unless you like the quiet that is
joe doidge that was the first thing I did. Was get an exhaust. Sounds great.
Thanks for the review! I’m looking at getting a MT-07 and this was quite helpful. Loved the soy milk line.
Oh and you’ve convinced me to buy this bike when I get my full license!
Even the MT-07 has enough improvements to keep the bike exciting and consistent. Dan sadly i cant say the same for Man Utd.
I just bought mine 2020 ice fluo getting it in 2 days. Loved the review cant wait!
thought you got the mt-03? you said on another video comment
@@NckNck-pu9vb nono 07
Probably the best review so far. And I've seen a lot already. Thank you very much, very helpful!
Crying into their soymilk = my subscription.
Haha thanks 👍
me too lmao
the laugh after that tho XD
That got me sub’d too!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Best bike for the price. The engine feels and sounds amazing
That tree hugers comment was beautiful
😂
I spat my tea onto the screen :D
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:D
We should all go vegan for our health not for the animals meat has affects on body long term
Your videos are so calming to watch mate, great for after work, love it 😄
Passed my test on a MT07, great bike and I was lent a 2018 one for a week. I went with the Ducati 797 in the end, just wanted something different.
I've been watching these motorcycle review videos for years but I've never seen anything close to this. I've subscribed and will watch your videos right up to the day you run head on with a 18 wheeler. Good luck mate.
Well thankfully we don't have 18 wheelers here and I find staying on the correct side of the road helps with longevity! 😉
I watched this video and i realize that this video is pretty fun. Actually because you laugh at the video. It feels relax and natural. I love this
Yeah, I guess this bike is fun. It's that engine! It brings out the hooligan!
@@Englishbikerdan i hope i can have MT series too
No way, I love that road! I live in Woking😂 that road is so much fun!!!!
Bar end mirror + remove rear light + hand guard + oz rims + accossato on the clutch and front break + brembo on breaking + hell on the cables + maybe ohlins on both rear and back = absolute beauty.
Yeah basically spend 3000€ on upgrades... Just get a mt-09
@@Tonyx.yt. of course, get the 09, still do the same 😂
Or MT09 SP and just ride. :D
Love the video. The bike seems soo fun.. I can't wait to get my own here in Jamaica
Going on solo rides is the best feeling ever!
Adjustable rebound damping on the rear shock too from 2018 onwards 😉 ...... and yeah corrosion is still an issue for some unfortunately ... the paint finish on the 07 is a bit hit n miss, ya might get lucky and have no issue but ya also might not be so lucky 🤷♂️ Good job it has a freaking awesome engine to make up for it ... makes more torque than an R6 and the 07 is lighter too 😁
Nice, thanks for the info 👍
@@Englishbikerdan thanks for a cracking video and nice review 😉
@@MotoGoato Thanks for watching! 👍
I own the exact same one. You get
much motorcycle for a fair price. Only disadvantage is, if bought new, you'll never get quite the same money for it like you spent.
I got real lucky on my 2018 MT07. Bought from a dealership used with only 78 miles on it. Cost went from $8000+ brand new to only paying $5750. The original owner's wife forced him to return it when she found out he bought it behind her back! Lol.
Good job on your video editing. Love that blur 🤣🤣🤣
I have the 2018 one, with the same fly screen and exhaust as this one. The suspension is terrible, the brakes aren't confidence inspiring, ABS is far too sensitive and the horn button still catches me out sometimes after 11 months (3700 miles and counting). But still, that engine is just so good. It looks cool as fuck and sounds great too. It's fun for evening and weekend rides on the type of roads you rode in this video but being small and light, it's also good fun to filter through a city in rush hour on.
For those of us who have yet to hit on the kind of financial success that enables casually dropping nearly half a year's wages on a Street Triple or KTM, I don't think there's a more fun or better all around middle-weight naked bike.
Poor suspension and mediocre brakes seems a common problem in the affordable middleweight class... See mt07, SV 650, z650.
Only ducati Monster and cb650r dont have this problems but they are more expensive
i guess u get what u paid for..as for the brakes and stuff u just gotta deal with it,or just upgrade the braking system..but its a fun bike..i got to ride it for a week and i love it.. but its the 2017 model tho..
@@zer0h0n0ur3 Yeah and as plenty of 'motovloggers' have pointed out - it is really aimed at those of us in our twenties (only just still under 30, in my case) getting our first 'big bike'. Another year or two and I'll sell/part exchange it for a Street Triple R or a Z900. Or perhaps the Streetfighter V4 or a Tuono.
Insouciance Incarnate cry baby if the bike was 3k brand new still you would complain please go home ur drunk the bike is awesome I got it suspension is no problem breaks are not the best but they slow the fucking motor sown what else you want?
I’m very excited for the 2021 MT-07 update. If it’s anything like the 2020 Tracer 700 I assume it will fix most of the issues. I’d buy the new Tracer 700 if they sold it in the US! Anyway, I had a 2015 one of these and the engine was absolutely the highlight, but the brakes and suspension ruined the whole experience. They must be upgraded. 4 years later I have a current SV650 and it’s better in almost every respect. Which has the better engine/transmission or styling is debatable. Oh and the seat on the SV650 is an absolute plank, but the 2015 MT-07 wasn’t much better and I’m happy they improved it for the current one. Overall I think the Yamaha wins for ergonomics, especially legroom, but handling and overall refinement I give to the Suzuki.
Just subscribed. Thanks for posting years ago! Will look for your newer vids after watching this...
Thanks mate! 👍
"I'm sure the tree huggers are crying into their soymilk" XD nearly lost my sh*t, super good review!
Thanks man! 😎
Yamaha, super bike! Super power engine! 👍
Love how you blur out the speedometer so you cant get caught speeding. Lol
Speeding... he was doing 40 the whole way officer
If the cops want to get him they don't need the speedo to calculate his speed haha.
Blur slip 83 😂
My only ride on a Yamaha, was my mates RD 200 back in the late 70s. The suspension dived braking unsettling the bike pre corner. Perhaps it was just his bike but I always went for Kawasaki's or Honda's.
The Motorbike Shop in Farnborough. Great place. That's where I got my 07 ice fluo from a couple months ago. 🤟
I'm also pretty sure I test rode the RAG as well!
I bought my HJC CS15 from there. Best helmet I've ever owned.
Toying with owning my first bike and think this is the one! Thanks for the excellent review 👍
Thank You Almighty God for blessing me I will buy one for myself
Getting mine within 3 months. In blue. Cant fucking wait.
Same colour as I had although mine was a 2016 model. Enjoy it, they sound awesome with a decent system.
In my country here i easily rode it around 170-180km/h and enjoying the crazy windblast😂😂😂
The MT07 statistically has been proved to be the most reliable bike in it class since 2014. Although I don’t think you can really go wrong with any Japanese bike.
Yamaha have been the most unreliable brand I've owned. Stats are of little comfort when you have issues. Can you provide the source for that information too? It would be interesting to see how that's been determined. Also there's a saying, "There's lies, damn lies and then there's statistics".
@@Englishbikerdan Just google it. It is well known that Yamaha has been the most reliable motorcycle manufacturer .. I agree, that a bad personal experience of ownership would cloud anyone’s judgement on a brand as it has certainly yours. I personally wish it was Triumph
@@Steve-motorcycles Did you know Yamaha had the highest number of recalls over the last decade? I think the study you are referring to is the consumer reports reliability study, which studied 11,000 consumers who bought new motorcycles between 2008 and 2014. If you look at total sales over those years though, the report covers a tiny fraction and it was more of a survey really. So not really accurate at all to determine the most reliable brand as it's a tiny snapshot of total worldwide sales. Either way, all brands have issues but Yam has had the most for me. Honda has been the most reliable for me personally.
@@Englishbikerdan Honda is also another great brand for known reliability.
Great review bro. I'm getting mine tomorrow. I really can't wait omg😫
Someone's not going to sleep much tonight! Enjoy your new bike!
Runs out of puff? Try twisting your wrist in 4th and watch the world go blurred.
I love my MT07!
I had one for 2 years, they're not strong at the top end.
Agreed...any bike is going to run out off puff doing well in excess of the speed limit
yeah man any more is risking your life.
@@iamf6641 I risk my life at work every day hundreds of times a day... My 10 mile commute on my bike is a insignificant risk yet so much enjoyment.
@@Jafmanz what you talking to i have almost died 4 times while driving a car motorcycle Atv. my worst one was on an atv 50mph crash on a curve but all i got was cute and bruises and a little rash. i was i slid and flew off a little bump of dirt. and less than a meter beside it was a guard rail
It sounds so lovely.
I own a black 2019 master of torque model for over 3 months and I love everything about it! At low RPMs, it behaves like a kitten and at high it's like a beast. On this bike, you just measure fun per mile nothing else. It's my first bike so I really think it's the best beginner bike out there...I am sure I will keep it for some time! Cons? Maybe that sometimes I get a blank shift indicator(somehow it gets stuck in some gear... and vibrations around 4-5k rpm, but I guess they are normal for inline 2 engines? Right?
Keep it lubricated with ACF50 and change the brake pads, the issues are sorted
ACF50 never solved the issue. I even had a new swingarm under warranty which was corroding after 4 months. It's preventative and not a magic cure. I had EBC pads on the mine which were better but they're still pretty awful brakes.
EnglishBikerDan mine is a 2016 bike with 35k on the clock. When I got the bike I dabbed a bit oh black Hammerite paint along the weld and under the chain,, sprayed it with acf50 regularly and never had an issue.
The brakes are not the best but swapped the pads recently with Brembo’s and they are so much better.
As for the coolant pipes, I have sprayed those with heat resistant engine paint and they look like new. A tad of maintenance on this bike and it will last the test of time. For the price, it’s a great bike. I commute all year round so it’s now been through 4 winters
@@Steve-motorcycles I had mine around 3 years and did about 25k miles in total and 2 winters. The swingarm was rusty, frame (under the tank) was rusted, lots of other minor areas too. Coolant pipes of course as that's a well known one. It's a cheaply made fun bike but sometimes, giving it all the TLC makes little difference as the paint is so thin. I know many people powder coat the swingarm now which resolves the issue. It should be needed though. I also had about 4 sensors fail in those 3 years so it left a very bad taste. It was the most unreliable bike I've had in 20 years. A real shame as that engine is awesome.
Honestly, I don't know why your even review this bike, having owned it already. I bought the 2019 in that color. Honestly the color is great. The instrument cluster is good. It just shouldn't be that low and forward. Why Yamaha puts the key up front, to me, is stupid. I'd have rather had the older version with soft suspension because, believe me, this ain't a comfy highway/commuter. It is a stellar urban assault vehicle though. But I have a better one. And I'm not talking about the 2011 Ninja 1000 I did an even trade for my MT-07 with 11,500 miles on it in one year. Never had an issue with the MT-07. The bike is like a frog that wants to jump all day. My 1986 SRX600 is my urban assault vehicle. Smooth, predictable, and 287lbs wet.
Good review though. It is easy to get it out of shape as you said. I think more people want the MT-09 because it's way more power.
I owned a 2016 M07, as I said and there were updates. It made a lot of sense to test the new one as they'd made a few changes. Sadly, for me, they weren't enough to tempt me back to 'the dark side of Japan' but I understand why people like the bike. It's all about that engine, which is a very fun unit.
I love this moto so much, so easy to control and to ride.
MT - Master of Torque.
Except Mt-03 2016-ogoing the lower amount of torque in his class :D
Quote of the day! "Tree huggers cryin into their soy milk" Love It!!!!
Gave the video a like right after hearing that.
Looking at this review as I plan on doing my full license soon and I'm going "this route at the start looks very familiar..." Turns out it's my commute to work 😂😂👌🏻👌🏻 great review though - covers pretty much everything I'm looking to know about it!
Haha, yes I live locally so it's my commute too! MT07 is a very fun bike despite some issues. Good luck with the test and hope all goes well. Cheers! Dan ✌️
Damn, Hyper Nakeds are cool af
"It used to pogo up and down like a........ like a pogo!!"
Only the best commentary here!
Your speaking style exactly as the Character Korg from Thor Ragnarok.My most favorite Character.Got my Subscription 😀😆❤
Haha, I've had so many people say this but he's from New Zealand. I'm going to start putting in Korg references now 😂
I am am currently doing my licence on this bike and I can tell you that a 180 kilos is not light... I almost dropped it and the fact that I am on my first bike ever says something I do not recommend this to beginners. It goes up to 35-40 in first gear and the throttle is hella sensitive. Thats my experience and also my opinion. It is still a great fun bike ngl but its not for a first timer.
The first bike I rode was a CB500. I can tell you it was terrifying. However, I soon got used to it and by the time I took my test I was looking for a bike with more power. You'll get used to it and in no time it'll seem easy. Good luck with your test.
@@Englishbikerdan thx for replying loved the video 🤙🏽
I know this is a old video. They should make a mt07 sp with öhlins suspension like the mt09, that would be awesome.
We need a 2023 ride review, to see if Yamaha got that suspension sorted out.
I tried sitting on a 2022 and to me the seat felt really hard, if I bought one I would definitely buy the comfort seat for it
I am considering the MT07 or the KTM Duke 690...but I am leaning more to this
Thank you. Great video. I am looking into a 2021 MT 07. I will look into the issues you pointed out. Perhaps they addressed them.
Smart man covers up the speed so borris doesn’t go ape shit at him
Smart man stays Armed and kills people like borris
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thanks, great commentary and no annoying music
Was gonna buy a new one but it's over my price range smh... I'm going to get a used FZ09 tomorrow I'm rlly excited
Jeremy R enjoy it
Enjoy powerwheelies
Hey, I visited the showroom to see the bike and noticed the seat noise was squeaking loads (from the seat rubber touching the tank). The sales people said it was 'normal' which I found very strange. Little squeak is understandable but a big squeak isn't normal for me when the engine is off. Has anyone ever experienced this?
Haha yes. Mine squeaked so much.
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks for letting me know! I heard a solution is to put some silicon to avoid it, otherwise i guess just some masking tape to avoid the rubbing!😅p.s. after watching the cb650r review, i prefer the exhaust much more but unfortunately they dont sell them where i live, so mt-07 it is! Thanks for your reviews, keep them up!
Looking forward to trying this engine in the Tenere 700.
Same, it might even be my new "do everything bike".
Do you think this or an 790 duke? I’m coming from an mt09 which was a little much for me and hated the snachy throttle.
790 Duke. :)
If moneys no object then buy me one too.
I love the blurring of the speedometer xD
Love a bit if Pirbright bends! If you carry on instead of taking the right hand turn down the national limit road, then take a left under the bridge at the T junction, those bends towards Deepcut are far more fun imo.
Also, another great one is Bourley Road, goes between Fleet and Aldershot. Really nice fast, twisty road.
Cheers Chris! Will give those a whirl soon! I think I know that Fleet to Aldershot route. Very nice!
Tried your suggestion this morning, nice little extended test route now, thanks Chris!
DNA filter, ECU flash, and full exhaust really REALLY beefs up the midrange and allows it to make more peak HP without the falling off.
As far as the brakes "lacking feel," please consider the bike is new, the brakes not bedded, and you'll need at least a couple hundred miles to evaluate what the brakes are going to do without changing.
It certainly had enough miles on it to have bedded the pads in. I also owned one of these bikes and the brakes were the same, they lack feel and bite but it's a cheap bike so goes with the territory.
@@Englishbikerdan How many miles? My new MT-09 took at least 400-500 miles to get the rather wooden brakes to biting very sharply and strongly.
@@exothermal.sprocket From memory it had around 400 miles on the clock. MT09 brakes are pretty decent, well the SP anyway!
@@Englishbikerdan Mine is the non-sp model. Radial mount 4-pot helps as compared to the 07.
@@exothermal.sprocket Yep, if the 07 had the 09 brakes that would be so good. I still maintain they need an MT07 SP. I would happily pay an extra £1000 - £1200 for better suspension, brakes and a quickshifter. The engine is perfect as it is on the 07.
Thinking of getting this as my second bike. As i'm only 21 i'm restricted to an A2 licence, would this be a good bike? My main concern is the brakes, don't seem very good at all if you were using a full fist full! I'm wondering if new brake pads & lines would help fix that.
It can only help!
@@Englishbikerdan hopefully, i'll definitely be looking at getting a MT-07 what models are the good ones?
It's interesting actually that you mention corrosion issues with the coolant pipes and swingarm; i ride an XJ6 (the bike this replaced) and i had to replace one of the coolant pipes, and treat the swingarm due to corrosion.
With that in mind, i'd suspect its a general issue with all mid range, mid sized yamahas?
I suspect you're right.
One of my friends bought this bike, within 2000ish miles his swing arm was rusted to hell, he ended up selling it on and getting a Speed Triple. Enjoyed his time on it just a shame about it rusting up so quickly.
Yep, had a bad experience with mine. Cracking engine though.
@@Englishbikerdan Yeah, just a shame that two years on from your MT-07 and they've still not sorted the rusting issue. Anyways loving the content buddy, got my DAS booked in this year and I can't wait. A big 40yr old kid waiting for it hehehe.
@@Chuubs Damn, I guess the cost to sort is more than the warranty claims. Ah well. Good luck with the DAS! 👍😊
I have a ninja 400 but am thinking of switching to an MT07 as i think id prefer something more upright and comfortable
Sounds like a good choice, plenty of power too.
naked bike is dae way
At speeds above 120kmh, it gets uncomfortable with the wind buffeting.
Loved the review. No bullshit. Subscribed immediately.
Thank you! 👌
Perfect commuting bike and is a lot of fun if that’s your thing . Yeah it has some issues like you mentioned , I abuse this bike a lot in first gear - everyone rides differently 😂
Something I would want ti get as my first bike
It looks so outdated to me. Thoughts?
yes, the new model still has corrosion issues; they only updated the suspension components, the seat and the styling (*actually i see you covered that)
i don't understand how you can say the throttle response is ok from a cable throttle though; you open it and it goes
that said i agree with you on the other points. power output plummets after 9000 rpm, best point to shift is probably no higher than 9500. suspension is soft, dive is pretty bad and it produces some unnerving wobbles every now and then. i'm upgrading my suspension soon-ish so i hope to have a valid opinion on how it changes the bike. i'm also changing to bridgestone s22 tyres soon; on the racetrack i found the front-end grip in particular, lacking, which severely hampered my corner exit speed. brakes could definitely be better, but it's far from the worst i think lol
It's just a feeling I had from the throttle. Some bikes you feel like it's more direct and on this one, it almost felt like the cable was just a little bit slack but on my 2016 it was the same. One of those things that's hard to quantify but how it felt to me. I'm sure with better suspension this thing would be such a brilliant all round bike. I'd love to see an MT07 SP.
great review, was going to buy this bike but as you said they haven't resolved the rust and coolant pipe issues, what a shame!!.
“Crying into their soy milk”😂😂😂
Duke 390 or mt07 as a pure fun weekend toy for short trips?
Great review! Subscribed on spot!
Thank you!
I have my MT 07 2019 en route as I am typing this comment. Although I'm more into supersports the smaller width of the handlebars on the MT and the riding position make it a better city-bike. Just a quick question man: I too noticed the weakness of the brakes. But did you have the chance to test the ABS? if yes how responsive is it?
For me the ABS is far too aggressive on this bike. When it cuts in you really feel it and it basically reduces the effectiveness of the brakes. That's in essence how ABS works but to me it gets in the way quite a bit on this bike but then I've spent more years riding without ABS than I have with it.
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks for your reply man really appreciate it. And you explain things quite nicely both in your videos and your replies. You have yourself a subscriber from Cyprus ;)
@@Lambda.Shadow_TV Appreciate it. 👍
They are great bikes! I enjoyed my 2018 while I had it. I went to the dark side and traded it in on a 2019 Harley Davidson. 👽🤘
Harleys make so much more sense in the US. Enjoy your new ride 👍
I had a -16 model aswell. Really liked it, but after a year I was done with the "rollercoaster". But a good bike, lightweight and lovely engine. (I have a RnineT Pure now.) Well done Dan!
Never ridden the RnineT but what a lovely looking bike. Plus that engine, 143Nm torque? Mad!!
@@Englishbikerdan No, "only" 116Nm. And 110 bhp. But it's enough! Between you and me, I lifted the front wheel shifting from 5th to 6th gear in 180km/h!!!
Crikey, that's enough! I recently rode the R1250R which has the 143Nm. Absolutely bonkers but in a bike that looks very sane. Happy riding!
@@Englishbikerdan I did a testride on the R1250R aswell. Lovely bike! But there's more rock'n'roll in the RnineT, imo. Or as they say at the petrolstation "who owns the old BMW?" Ha ha!
@@johnDukemaster Hahah, it sure is a looker. I must get out on one!
Question. I am about to get my license so i am looking for a bike not to toy arround and make sure that it will help me in the road as long as i respect the rules. So is it a good first option for someone who hasn't ride before motorcycle?? By the way nice video and thanks a lot for the great presentation.. Keep up the good job
Fantastic bike great video. I've just ordered a black mt 125cc for my son. I'm a bit concerned though that they will keep the new bike and deliver the black mt 125cc they've had in there showroom for a while. Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening like writing down the vin number of the showroom model if so is it visible without removing anything thing.
Yeah I'd note down the VIN. Easy to find on the frame, usually by the headstock.
@@Englishbikerdan yet think I will cheers just for piece of mind.
@@Englishbikerdan so it's fine to copy the vin down of the showroom bike it's not illegal or anything. After all I'm just making sure I get the bike I'm paying for.
That’s a pretty tame exhaust note. My two brothers exhaust with baffle out sounds thunderously demonic.
Yep, that's the road legal Akra for you. I had a Yoshi R77 on my MT07 and it sounded great.
If you come to Jamaica n ride one of the Chinese bikes they have here for a good 6 months.. Then go on the Fz, mannn ur gonna see how much better the Fz is in all categories even braking.
Haha yeah I bet it would feel awesome then!
Just sayin, theres not much point in blurring the speedo. The fuzz know how long those centre lines are and can pretty accurately gauge your speed from that alone.
I don't know if what you mean about blurring the speedo. Must be a TH-cam thing....... 😜
I knew I recognised the roads.
Farnborough! My wife's from there, it looked so familiar.
Yep, I'm around that area. 😊
@@Englishbikerdan I passed my bike test in Farnborough. Some nice roads around there :)
Now you just need to go back and re-review the 2019 SV650, since the footage from your SV650 review was lost anyway. (they upgraded the brakes for 2019)
Don't worry, it's on the list 👍
Great video! Your reviews are so much better than mine!! You actually know the details 😂
Keep it up mate! 👍
Just subbed you, some good videos and keep at it. 👍
EnglishBikerDan thanks very much!
Non-adjustable front forks? Certain you can, because I've ridden one with adjusted front forks.
They are non adjustable as standard.
Thank you for the review. Just got one on sale for £5184, pretty decent price ey?
This will be my first bike aswell 😎👊
Great price! Enjoy it!
@@Englishbikerdan Thank you, I will 👍👊
your video made me want this color so bad........
Nice review sir.. How about the throttle response in all rev range? Is it accurate?
@Gibbon what i mean by "accurate" is when u twist the throttle the power came in an instant without any delay
Yeah, pretty good throttle response as it's an old school cable.
Idk if many people know but the previous model Mt07 the handlebars pushed forward and back due to the bearings holding it and its now stiff on the new model which I thought was a nice adjustment
Ah yes, forgot to mention that. No more weird moving handlebars!
it can be solve easily on that old model..but yeah .it was annoying
Front forks require shortening of internal spacer by 10mm with 20w oil and the rear needs complete changeout as they are non serviceable items that last 6000 miles anyways before the oils break down and the bike handles further like a bowl of fruit...
Haha, bowl of fruit! Somone's been watching Dave Moss. :)
@@Englishbikerdan Yeah I bought one of them for my Son in South Africa when they first launched and nobody could assist with the Front forks other than upping oil so was advised to email Dave. Very helpful chap as he too assisted me with dialing in my Buell 1125 and 1190 track bikes. 🙏👌
"Im sure some tree huggers are crying into their soy milk" 😂😂😂
I own a 1988 CBR250R MC19 and stand 5'11" (180cm) tall. I'm looking at getting a better bike naked bike type with more power/torque, all rounder bike and will enjoy it a lot around towns/highways. Do you recommend for me a MT-07 or MT-09?
MT 07 will be much better on fuel economy but still plenty of torque.
@@Englishbikerdan ok cool, I pretty much want something more power/torque, also a all rounder, as my Mc19 is to slow for me lol. I definitely want a MT-07 or MT-09 for my next bike :)
Great review, you should try the Duke 390 and Kawasaki Z400
Thanks! I've just had a 390 for a week so a review is incoming soon!
@@Aurelius_Mind Basically, buy one 😎
@@Aurelius_Mind
If you want a bike that's easy to live with, feels smoother, and riders smoother, get the z400. The engine requires a bit of input to get going. It's feels sluggish if you're just looking for that punch and you'll notice it getting slightly annoying around the city/town when you'll be having to hold the revs high just to be able to bust a move. The annoying part will the the unnecessary sound and effortsome throttle input. Thankfully, the gear ratios feel long and don't require frequent shifting.
But the bike feels smooth, no noticeable vibes, strongly built. The braking, although adequate for the bike, feels softer when compared to the 390. Also the ABS is a lot more intrusive on it and kicks in annoyingly sooner which makes enthusiastic riding on it kind of a gamble. It just feels kind of "not there yet" if you really wanna play hard.
Okay now for the 390.
Just get this if you don't ever wanna stop having fun.
This bike is fun all day long, any day. I keep telling all my friends that torque is where the fun is at if you really wanna play that hard. This bike is such a hoot to ride anywhere you take it. The torque kicks in alot more earlier which makes riding in the city a bliss. The early torque is just a sucker punch in the face out on the curves and while enthusiastic riding. It could feel like a bit too much for a novice, as opposed to the z400, which is a bit more friendly in that aspect. This bike is just so eager and it can be seen in it's DNA. It's purposely built to handle enthusiastic riding. It's got a slightly bigger front disc rotor with steel braided brake lines and sintered brake pads and boy does that make a difference in braking. It drops a really sure footed anchor when and where you want it to. The ABS unit is beautifully programmed and doesn't feel intrusive at all, even under really hard braking. The engine feels slightly vibey at lower rev ranges but smoothens out surprisingly as the revs climb. You might feel the need to shift gears alot more frequently because if you're not in the right gear, the engine begins coughing violently. The bike is really strongly and well built quality wise, but KTMs have a questionable reputation in terms of frequent valve blow ups. (The ones sold here are surprisingly doing well so far, not so much in the American market though). I feel like it's much more convenient being a single, and since all the ones sold around me are doing pretty good so far without any issues. The Kawi comparatively, will run without any hiccups for life. The 390 has a gorgeous instrument cluster, arguably the best in class, even upto some middleweight segment bikes, with tonnes of info on display and even lets you connect to your phone, take or reject phonecalls and change music tracks, which is super fun!
All in all, if you really want a bike that you can depend on any time, and if you know that you don't plan on riding really hard, get the Kawi. Not to say that its not fun, it's okay but it definitely feels shy of the KTM. But if you know for sure that you're gonna be a street Rossi, and and want the more fun bike, get the 390. And it's not uncomfortable by any means. They're both comparable in terms of riding comfort. Not to say that the KTM is a bad quality machine or has issues, which it doesn't, but it's definitely not up to the quality levels of the Kawi.
How do I have a confident say in this? Well, I own the 390 myself and my brother owns the z400.
Have fun, on either one of them! :)
Edit: Forgot to mention that the KTM has a stiffer suspension setup, especially in the front and feels quite jumpy on bumps but it helps to keep it really sharp and planted on any corner, if its not a bumpy corner. The rear feels adequately sprung for my weight. The Kawi on the other hand is very adequately sprung for everyday riding, it is slightly softer in the front than the KTM. Its feels better on the bumps compared to the KTM. It also stays very true in a corner. You won't feel it giving out unless you're trailbraking or entering a corner really hot.
Cheers!
Also edit 2: Try to get a test ride on both of them and you'll know for sure.
Good luck to you!
I find the seat on the Duke 390 horrible. It's got a bit of a slant to it and I find I always slide forward into the tank.
@@MrDavidRosca yeah but only when there's a pillion on. Otherwise it's pretty wide and accommodating.
I don't really know if the bike you tested had lowered front forks but the seats are pretty horizontal, without any apparent slant. This is also a very bad thing for the pillion since it takes a lot of effort from your bum muscles to be able to stay planted on that bike. It just feels like you could slide off of it any moment.
I would like something that is fun but quality which I know the MT lacks in I.e rust, brakes etc. My other option is the cb650r which looks amazing, however I’m scared their won’t be any grunt or fun on the Honda due to it being a 4 cyclinder and about 20 odd kg heavier, does it still accelerate well down low in town and does it blow you away like the MT in regards to acceleration from low to medium rpm p.s I’m not too bothered about top end speeds as I rarely do more than 70 👍🏻 Many thanks keep up the vids 💪🏻
The 650 will beat the MT07 in a drag race, even quite early on. That's good enough for me. The MT is more immediately punchy though but it quickly tapers off. Both are good bikes in their own right.