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Triumph Street Triple? From what you’ve said, it would tick all your boxes
trident
maybe speed triple since he wants fast too
@@chaoz_2k185Street Triple certainly is fast aswell
@@chaoz_2k185 The SpeedT isn't really ~700cc, and I don't think he asked for a fast bike. Otherwise why keep the R1
Came here to say the same thing. 😂
You wanted an MT10, got an MT07. TLDR
ty, such fake click of clickbait title .tldr ty
Slipon is a very strange name for a cat. Or is it called Akra?
Povich.
It's Povich.
Cat named
"Shutup! Ouch! No!"
That's really odd....
I did a 600km ride through the alpes yesterday on my Duke 390 and it made me fall in love with it all over again. I pushed it through mountain pass after mountain pass, through the clouds and chased a GT3RS through a completely empty Sustenpass. It was awesome. Anyone who says a small bike is not enough just hasn’t pushed it hard yet. The real fun start when you press the brakes, not the accelerator. If only my ass wouldn’t hurt so much after 11 hours on that thin seat.
@BS-jw7nf that sounds like a ton of fun. But 600km on the 390...phew
Then again, 165kg lightweight, short wheel base in the alps sounds like a dream
As a 390 duke rider, i could feel my ass starting to hurt when you said 600km
@@dertobi257 for the ass-hurting population, the original 390duke seat hurt my ass too, so I got the Powerparts 'comfort' seat; it's night and day, I highly recommend it
If yamaha ever releases a MT07 SP with proper adjustable good quality suspension components, maybe give it another try?
its called R7
Its not a streetfighter dummy.
@@kostasrp6634Its not a streetfighter smartass.
@@kostasrp6634 I have an mt07 and my buddy has an r7. The r7 is no contest better in the twisties. But it has absolutely zero appeal or charm for city commuting which is like 90% of the mt07 use case and what makes it so damn fun as a daily rider. It definitely deserved an SP variant
Needs the 09's spin forged wheels / brembos and a chassis damper (yamaha performance damper) too... the whole mt07 package save weight is gimped.
For an AVERAGE rider MT-07 is amazing choice. Its fun, torquey, agile, cheap, holds value and is bulletproof reliable.. also it LOVES wheelies! but of course, if you are getting serious with motorcycles you will get to the point when it is just not enough and you need to upgrade.. and that's totally okay..
I have my MT-07 for almost 2 years /20 000km now. Needed only oil changes and new set of tires since i bought it brand new. I am super happy with it, even went for a couple of track days with it. I am looking forward to upgrade for the next season.
I think they made the 07 platform as a second thought after they made the 09 platform. I imagine it went some like this:
Boss: Hey guys, can you make a cheaper MT09 ?
Engineers: How cheap ?
Boss: Cheap enough to retain 2 cylinders, all else you can trow out the window and use the cheapest materials and parts we can get away with.
Engineers: Are you sure this is going to sell well ? (proceeds to show an MT07)
Boss: Seems like it will sell reasonably well.
(proceeds to outsell mt09)
I can't quite remember, but I think the 07 came before the 09.
And I don't think it's fair to put a gen1 07 up against a gen3 09. Not saying the 2024 model 07 has a different suspension setup.
@@Daniel-dj7fh same time
Hell nah, mt07 has the perfect platform, and is world recognized by that, the chassis, suspension, and the engine is also reliable,really smooth and has the damn torkz ⚰️
@@moon_wingo Its also well known that the MT07 suspension is crap compared to other bikes in its class. I also had the exact same bike in the video same color and everything. The bike handled liked absolute crap. It would continually oscillate in corners. The bike never felt planted. the 2023 and newer may be better. But for years this bike was crap for handling and if you look you will see plenty of complaints about it and people changing the suspension because if it. Motojitsu had one and did a video on upgrading the suspension and showed how bad it actually was. The MT09 had similar issues and has only been corrected in 2023.
@@moon_wingo I've never heard anything good about the 07's suspension
MT07 is a $6000 engine on a $7000 bike
I loved mine but mostly because of the engine, and sold it within a year
The MT07 was built on a budget but such a fun hooligan bike. I can’t recall trying a bike that felt so comfortable on one wheel…way more playful than the specs suggest and with a slipon the sound is pure music!
The advantages offered by upside down forks are not applicable during street riding. You are experiencing the placebo effect, if you think a traditional fork is not sufficiently stiff for a couple rides around town or on the highway. You need to be really pushing the envelope on the track for the difference to even become noticeable. For a street rider, a traditional fork is better because if the seals fail you don't lose all the oil, and they are easier to service since you can drain and refill them without taking them out of the bike. The reason most bikes come with USD forks today is because of the larp factor, the same reason they are coming out with winglets on street bikes too (They don't do anything except look cool)
Funny enough I just came here from a vid of him explaining these advantages. I like having the MT07 fork configuration because it was cheap and easy to swap new springs and fork oil in. Took about 1hr. I wouldn't have touched or trusted myself messing with upside down forks.
I have a gen2 mt09 in the same grey/fluro yellow and can confirm the wheels are ALWAYS dirty... and couldnt agree more, after taking a mates mt07 around the block one time you have summarised how i felt afterward perfectly in this video
I bought an mt07 as my first big bike after riding a 125 for 2 years. For me it's the best big beginner bike, it's super cheap ( bought it for 7000€ new in 2021 ) and very reliable. Has enough power to get you in trouble, and enough torque to be fun. If you're coming from a bigger bike i can see why you didn't like it, since everything is very basic, but that's why it's so cheap. With this bike i did both track days and moto touring and both were amazing. After 50k km in 3 years i will sell it and buy an mt09sp but i still think it's an amazing bike
I dreamt of owning 07 after all the youtube praise and watching Raw pov rides of it, I bought it and it felt so lackluster lol. I got an Mt09 instead and never looked back.
Was it your first experience on a bike? I got mine after I rode a 125 for my matric year and it felt like a new world 😂
3 years later and I still love it
@@Bahle_Gaji my 2019 mt 07 is still the bike i own, and the bike i learned to ride on. I still enjoy it, did some long trips on it, even rode it on some mountain passes here in italy with some very experienced riders on gsxr's 1000 (most fun ive ever had) and they did not have to wait much at all for me to catch back (unlike my firend on the duke 390 that took ages to keep up)
BUT
Gotta be honest, a year ago iv'e tried a friends gsxr 600 and i fell in love with how the 4 cyl sounds, the ride position, everything.
Im 100% gonna sell my MT07 for a sportbike, maybe a 1000, but i still wanna learn some things on my MT, get comfortable with wheelies and generally get a little more experience before selling it.
@@AndreBrah you’re speaking like you’re me rn. I rode a friends 08 zx6r and I can tell that I would absolutely love an i4 supersport. Price wise, nothing new so no 4th gen s1000rr’s anytime soon. Maybe a 2010 CBR? We’ll see. The itch for more is starting to flare up for sure 😁
After my zx 14. I can't can't imagine riding anything less than 150hp.
You just get used to power and torque.
@@Bahle_Gaji I was riding for couple years, i was coming from a 600 to the mt07. It felt like such a downgrade 🤣. If its your first bigger cc i definitely see the appeal, not gonna hate on it. Just not my cup of tea. The 09 does everything for my use
Just to chime in on the injury thing... I do Enduro MTB'ing, in January I had a heavy crash and smashed up ribs on my left side... I also contemplated whether I should give up on it, as it was 5 weeks of recovery, etc... I decided against it, did a few more Enduro events and rode a fair bit of gnarly trails in Cape Town... and then 4 weeks ago... I had another wild crash, fractured 2 ribs, tore my shoulder rotator cuff, and smashed up my thigh... needless to say, I'm now giving up on the Enduro MTB thing, as I'm sitting with 12+ weeks of recovery in 6 months, and getting hurt like this sux. So don't let anyone else tell you you did the wrong thing for quitting MX... your life and your body, do what suites your lifestyle and it's easy for people who haven't gone through the motions to comment on things like this, but at the end of the day you are the one that has to go through the entire healing process and inconvenience of being injured, being unable to function in day-to-day life. Peace!
The mt-07 is one of the most popular school bikes for a reason, it has acceptable performance and is easy to ride. I don’t think that bike is designed to be a rider’s bike.
I love my MT-07 and both me and my dad have them, It does well at everything I want it for, I can knee drag the twisties, tour for 8 hours a day (with the aid of a medium sized front windshield), ride on dirt roads and even ride on snow and ice and its always comfortable, the engine is super punchy and for Australian standards where 30kph over the speed limit is $3000 and no license for 6 months I believe its fast enough.
My 2019 MT07 was my first bike ever and still the bike i own, i've learned to ride on it. I still enjoy it, did some long trips on it, even rode it on some mountain passes here in italy with some very experienced riders on gsxr's 1000 (most fun ive ever had) and they did not have to wait much at all for me to catch back up(unlike my firend on the duke 390 that took ages to catch back up)
BUT
Gotta be honest, a year ago iv'e tried a friends gsxr 600 and i fell in love with how the 4 cyl sounds, the ride position, everything.
Im 100% gonna sell my MT07 for a sportbike, maybe a 1000, but i still wanna learn some things on my MT, get comfortable with wheelies and generally get a little more experience before selling it.
I can 100% recommend the MT07 to anyone wanting to start riding, its very comfortable (especially in traffic), you sit perfectly upright but since the handlebars are quite forward you can lean on the tank and get a decently sporty ride position if you want to, its adequately fast but never felt scary to me, not even the first time. And thrust me you wont feel like missing those features like the upsidedown forks, fancyer brakes (MT07 still brakes much MUCH better compared to a duke 390 i tried) or other race performance stuff you wont ever be needing the first few years of riding)
(Also my firend with the duke 390, so far hes owned it for 1 year and he wants to upgrade already so baaad, especially after i let him take a spin on the MT07 hahahaahahha, hes gonna sell the duke this winter)
Great script as usual. You are a great storyteller.
He’s a great yapper. Took him 10 mins to get to the point in a 15min video
DAMN! that land to flats was gnarly! glad your still rippin!
The sarcasm on this video is impeccable LMAO
I sold my MT07 and bought an MT09. The MT07 was very nimble but the power felt jerky at low speeds, not fun when you have to commute on slow speed roads. I love the power delivery on the mt09 and it feels way more stable on the fwy on windy days.
I almost bought a triumph street triple r but found a good used mt09 2022. I would still like to try the triumph it is as small as the MT07 just a bit taller and I hear is has a way more linear power delivery and sporty seating position.
As someone that bought that same gen MT07 for commuting, I can agree it is built to a price. The forks and brakes are particularly not sporty. It was designed to compete with the older SV650 and Ninja 650 bikes not bikes like the Street Triple or R6 for example. As with all the other comments here, I agree a Street Triple sounds like the right bike for you. The MT07 has a fun engine, is a good commuter and can wheelie well but if you've been spoilt by ANYTHING decent in the past then the it makes sense that the MT07 will disappoint. It's light weight, short wheel base and torquey engine is what made it a legend. When the MT07 released out back in 2014 it didn't have much competition, then the KTM Duke 790 came out, then every other manufacturer just kept coming out with better iterations of light-weight affordable naked bikes.
All we ever wanted for the MT07 to be the true king was better brakes, better suspensions, more rigid chassis, a little bit more power ....
And Honda just did it with the Hornet 750.
Apart from the style that is quite bland, the new Hornet is a banger (owned both bikes). All ail the new mid size cheap king
And it is cheaper than a MT07 😂
Tbh i adore my MT07, it's the most confortable bike I've ever sit on, weird i know, but it fits be so so good and i love it 😅
Calling a +70hp with insane torque a "beginer bike" is what causes 18 year olds to buy 180hp suicide machines to prove themselves. The MT-07 also felt a bit "cheap" in some senses to me, compared to my SV650. It felt like "too light and floaty" to have a good feel in corners. But 70hp is more than enough to get in serious trouble. And that CP2 engine alone almost got me to buy a T7.
TLDR: i mosltly agree. But pls stop calling sub 4second 0-100kph bikes slow.
All of the things you pointed out about the Mt07 made me choose the Cb750 Hornet.
More power, upside down forks, sporty riding position, radially mounted brakes and the list goes on.
For roughly the same amount of money, the 07 is behind the hornet and gsx 8s.
Great Video!
Honda its a diferent animal, its just that the majority MT07 fan is people that likes to do wheelies then they think its a great bike for riding when in reality is just a low power ~700cc with a big sproket
Don't you think that the old wired throttle is better on the mto7 than the new electronic throttle that most ppl talk about on TH-cam about it lagging? Am so confused what to buy from both bikes
@@essaalansari9508 it is a bit jerky at the beggining but you get used to it in about 2 days max.
While a wire throttle is indeed simpler and more "connected" to the intake therefore offering a nicer feeling, you have to take into consideration that the Hornet has driver modes(standard, rain, sport, custom) that actually help, especially the rain one.
I recommend that, if you can, you go for a ride test on both and see which one you fancy more.
@@essaalansari9508 The Cb750 Hornet has 90hp 17hp more than the MT, that is huge on a motorcycle, Hornet have front Inverted suspension while the MT07 suspension looks cheap, i have gone for a CB650R but the hornet is not too far behind. I have chosen the Honda because i wanted power to be close to the 100HP, at least to have a respectable power to weight ratio, but i guess the MT07 is well stablished in therms of marketing
@@silver_surfer88 Dunno about anyone else but most of the people who ride MTs where i live (paris) are complete bell ends. It is THE go to bike for needless rev bombs, free exhausts, needless out of control wheelies and traffic light GP racers.
IMO: Mt07s as begginner bikes teach riders all the wrong things. Instead of a well thought out chassis/suspension/brake setup which teaches riders to progressively increase their speed and ability whilst staying in the bikes comfort zone, Yamaha dumped a powerful, fun torquey engine into a bike with trash suspension, grabby brakes and a flexible frame which WILL lead to the bike being unstable when the rider inevitably wants to go faster.
But hey, you can rev bomb obnoxiously and wheelie easily so i guess its fine for a beginner rider.
I learnt to ride and passed my test on an MT07 but I wouldn't buy one. I had an MT09 for a few years and loved it, I have a Triumph Street Triple now, but would swap it for a new MT09
MT07 is meant for welly and not for tracks though they prioritized to provide Steel frame instead of Cast Aluminum Frame, Because Both Suspension and Frame is focused on Welly and its consciences! Its very clear that its a Tourque focused bike and not a BHP focused bike, ITS NOT CHEAP, ITS ART!
Reminds me of my MK6 Golf GTI. Everyone calls it a hot hatch and says its very fun to drive, but I don't find it very fun at all. Soft gooey controls and a lame powerband combine to make a "hot" hatch that doesn't seem to like being driven hard. It is a fantastic commuter though. All this just makes me love my 350z even more ;)
Had an mt07 3 years ago.
And yeah stock it's a cheap bike made to be sold in big numbers but with a few mods you can make it a real fun and hooligan bike.
Mods:
Two washers under the risers eliminates the bar movement.
DNA stage 2 intake + mapping
R6 throttle tube
Dave moss fork fork mod/cartridge
Any aftermarket rear shock.
Braided brake lines,master cylinder and Brembo pads.
With this you get an awesome little bike that handles good,power wheelies in second every time you want and sound good!
How much money all in would that put someone? 👀
@@Bahle_Gaji about 1500
@@stealthworks9758 dollars I’m assuming? 👀
This guy is the luckiest man on earth. Buying any kind of bike he likes on a whim. Where do you get that kind of money?
My dream is to get a duke soon enough before ICEs are outlawed.
What you're referring to is Illness Anxiety Disorder. Fear of re-injury or re-infection after recovery from something debilitating. If the fear causes substantial negative affects upon a persons' activities of daily living, it is considered clinically significant. Sounds like you're fine! I have a bit of mild anxiety regarding my disc degeneration disease at L4-L5.
I've been riding for 13 years. Iv had every type of bike from cruiser to supermoto. The mr07 is the only one I keep returning to.
I bought a new MT-07 2nd gen back in 2018 and I’ve had it ever since, after coming from a 125cc it felt so fast and raw. The full Akra system makes it sound thunderous and gives it that personality I wanted.
It’s cheap to run, insure and tax so as a daily commuter bike it was perfect for me. It’s not too fast, not too slow and economical to run while still being a fun ride to work
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The GSX-8S is called that because it replaced the GSX-S750. Both are the little brothers of the GSX-S1000. The SV650 is more like a cousin than a sibling.
Have you ever tried a triumph street triple 675r? One from 2013 to 2017. I have one myself and it is a blast to ride. Very comfortable, linear powerband and a phenomenal engine and sound. They are also available for fairly cheap.
I would give it a try if i were you.
They definitely have the sporty side I want
Had a 2022 mt07 as my first bike since October of that year. Currently at 16,800 miles (27,036 kilometers) and now that I'm getting close to knee dragging and more advanced riding, I definitely realize how bad the suspension is. Don't get me wrong, as a beginner this is THE BEST BIKE you can buy off the showroom. It's plenty of power, sounds amazing, is relatively affordable, and it looks good too. Just know that you'll probably grow out of it after a couple years or want a bike more capable in the corners if that's the style of riding you grow to enjoy.
This is how i feel about the R7, especially following up after the R6! Its a good bike but its not a YZF-R bike.
I mean I get that people are mad that Yamaha came out with the r7 after the r6. But as a beginner myself to sport riding, i see it as perfect. I'm very interested in how Yamaha is going to incorporate the cp3 in a sporty tune.
@@itsyaboishiba Same, but the 09 makes too much power for my taste. I can barely legally wring out my cb500f.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I mean I'd probably stop at around 120hp, as that's usable on the street and very usable at the track. So I would really want a r9, but I'm also looking at Ducati's v2 too. I don't find my R7 as too illegal in terms of speed (it's A2 compliant) so i find 50hp really nice for road without risking my license, but nearly enough for track.
@@itsyaboishiba Personally, I like to wring out my bike, and therefore I'd go for smaller. Need to test the zx4r, but I think it's not gonna be a lot different to the cbr650r (both making more power than my cb500f, I know, but they sound better).
If I had track money, I'd get a second bike for track.
@@Daniel-dj7fh honestly I think the ZX4R would be quite perfect, it has less torque than your CB500F and makes peak torque at twice the rpms so when it comes to acceleration it's not all that fast until you get to 10k+. Obviously once you're in those higher rpms it'll be a lot faster than the CB, it's a faster bike after all, but in terms of simple acceleration from a standstill it's probably not much quicker.
The CBR650R is very different in that aspect being more of a sports touring bike so it makes a lot of torque at low rpms (for an I4) meaning it'll pull really hard in almost every gear
I feel this rn. I have an 06 zx6r and just sold my Tracer 900 GT and bought a DRZ400sm because I thought that I wanted to do supermoto shenanigans with my friends. Most of them don't have supersports anymore and none of them have touring bikes like Tracers. I thought that if I bought a sumo I would have fun with it and I could hang out with them more. And while that is technically true, it's a lot more fun to ride with them on the DRZ instead of my zx6r or tracer, I just don't like the bike itself. It's not the kind of riding I enjoy. I like touring. I like long trips. And I like going fast with my 636. I've only had the DRZ for 2 weeks and I deeply regret selling my Tracer already. Most of the time when I ride I'm by myself. We all work. We all have lives. We don't always have time to ride together. And riding together is the only time I seem to enjoy it. Most of my time riding during the week is spent on my 35 minute commute and/or running errands. On weekends I usually ride around and would occasionally take the Tracer on longer day or weekend trips. Now that I no longer have it, I realize how much I miss the ability to do so and how much I miss the comfortability on the freeway. I'm very glad I still have my 636 because if I was stuck with just the DRZ I would go insane. I will probably try to get my hands on a used 21+ Tracer 9 this fall or winter.
I agree that the MT-07 feels different than its sisters. Most of the MTs are more sporty, and the 07 feels more relaxed.
Have you tried a FZ6N/Fazer 600? They're older but have a nice 4 cil 98hp engine that sounds awesome, plus you can ride them relaxed or sporty if you want to.
I had a 2015 mt07, it was OK, then , after I went to Maxton and HEL...it got a lot better! It's a great engine in an ok chassis cheaply built. I've got a real soft spot for it as it was my first big bike.
I can’t imagine anyone would like an MT-07 after first buying an R1. Imagine buying a Nissan Sentra after driving a GT-R.
I went from a Triumph Street Triple 765 to a Yamaha MT-10 SP for daily riding and it hasn't missed a beat. It's ridiculously fast, sounds amazing, super comfortable, has cruise control, and can easily take a pillion passenger. The only downside is fuel consumption, but that's just down to my wrist 😂 you should honestly consider one bud, they're amazing machines.
if anything, that headlight does not look like it belonged in the MT family where everybody else is rocking the transformers look at the time.
The second gen monster chassis overall(696,796,1100) or maybe just the monster 696 might be up to your expectations, lightweight (165kg dry), 90 degree aircooled vtwin makin 80hp and 69nm, its got upside down forks, brembo brakes and adjustable rear suspension and can be had used with low mileage for cheaper than a comparable mt07
To come to Yamaha's defense here tho, you don't need to go through the spec sheet to know the forks are inverted or not.
A used Speed Triple 1050 is the best deal in motorcycling.
It’s not crazy ramblings but i want to point pity that the risers are actually aluminium and the jiggle you see is the rubber bushings under them you can solve it by putting big washers on both sides of the crews. I have an mt07 2021 I bought it new 3 years ago and i did a lot of modifications to it i 100% agree that it should have usd forks since the r7 (witch is essentially the same bike) has them, i mounted custom made mounts for radial calipers by brembo and full ohlins suspensions including a steering damper it’s very fun and i enjoy riding it more than my s1k still it’s not a proper “sporty” naked in the end it’s just opinions i love your content keep it up
Sounds like someone who would be happier on a street triple
After having lost everything i would give you my address to deliver to my doorstep so that my 66yo tired body can ride again.......on about anything would make an old biker feel alive again........
I'd want to know your opinion the R7? It has all the components upgraded, basically same frame just sportier and more rigid and of course as a sport bike though. It's the perfect beginner bike imo.
Still has the issue of not having damn near enough hp
@@jessegm1 What are you on about? I'm talking R7 vs MT-07. You r6 glazers really don't deserve this community lmao. First i mentioned "beginner" "upgraded" "more rigid" there's absolute no comparison in terms of hp and nor any other bike than the mt-07. Please watch the video lmao.
@@jessegm1 enough hp for what????
Lots of my mates have/had MT07s, they say they miss how easy it is to wheelie. Bigger bikes like the MT09 are scary/dodgy to wheelie in comparison
I got a XSR 700, and took my lessons on a MT-07, and they're both basically the same bike. The truth is that this bike hasn't changed much since 2014, while the rest of the industry has put everything they got into making good competitors to it because of how popular it is. I'm happy with mine because I got it for a great price, but brand new it's a much harder sell. The fix would be pretty easy though, just offer a SP version with the R7's improved suspension and brakes and everyone wins.
For your MT, I think some upgrades to the suspension and brakes can really transform it and make it a bike you can love, but you can also just get a Duke 790 and be done with it. I'd look at whichever option is cheaper.
As for my XSR, I love the engine, the compact size, the looks, the ride. The only thing that lets it down is the suspension. I'll have to decide if I want to upgrade it or sell it and get something else when I get my full license. It could make for an awesome cafe racer with some good mods.
I owned only a DRZ400SM for 10 years and just bought a MT-07 as a transition to get into real motorcycles. I enjoy it, but it's definitely not a keeper bike, mainly because of the rust issues if you drive in all weather.
So try a Triumph street triple ?
The only thing that isnt nerfed on the 07 is the weight.
suspension, frame, wheels , brakes are all gimped...
I've tried both the MT09 and MT07 the same day and the MT09 is vastly superior.
I´ve tried a MT07 before and kinda feel the same way about it to. It's just not my cup of tea eventough I get why It's so popular.
Gen 2 mt-09 sp is what you should’ve gotten, mt-07 is a premium duke 390 bassically
Sure it's good to hear bad things about the MT07 compared to most reviews that only say positive but most points you made, besides the front suspension being mediocre, seem to be mostly personal preference, riding style bias, and price based biases. I'd guess mostly aggressive track and street riding you prefer doesn't apply to 99% of us riders and most of us need a bike that is more comfortable for the occasional commute or longer ride and at that price point you are not giving us better comparisons. For Example a Triumph trident 660 or SV650 would be great comparison bikes but I can't see you having any more fun or giving those bikes great reviews either. Not to mention an ADV bike at this pricerange basically puts you on a KLR 650 which was a pretty awful riding experience for me.
I'm probably biased owning one too and It doesn't forgive the MT07 front shocks being so poopoo stock but an hour of my time and $150 in racetech fork springs and 20w fork oil swap and it fixed most of the issues I had with the stock MT07 front shocks. The shocks not being upside down made it much more approachable to do the work myself in my garage and I'll take not dumping my fork oil all over the road inevitably when the seals fail a huge perk, especially for when I'm doing 4-5 hour rides in the middle of nowhere mountain roads. 5min to Adjust the rear preload to be stiffer, and while not perfect, it helps a lot. It's Especially for heavier riders adjusting the preload and most people never touch it and leave it set for the stock 3/10 soft setting for a ~130lb rider.
I think it's still a great beginner bike and forever bike even though I hate how inappropriate the term "beginner bike" is in this context but yamaha probably knows it doesn't make sense to add all those upgrades you want as it would easily raise the cost to be similar to an MT09. Sure if you want to spend $2.5-4k more for an MT09/MT09SP it will be an overall better bike but at a significant higher cost and at a power range most people probably shouldn't be jumping into the bike world into.
I also rode a duke 390 as it was one of the few bikes available bikes to test ride in my $8k budget when I was shopping for my first bike. I found it was fast and handled better compared to the other stuff I was trying (cruisers, ADV, dirt bikes) but unless your very small it's not comfortable to ride and the suspension setup is also not great for a tall rider like me and the top speed would definitely keep me from being comfortable taking it on highways.
I still upvoted and subbed based on your other informational vids. Keep it up I like your content!
It's nice for us to have you @chaos as our buddy who has owned sonmuch of these bikes. All of this is our shared knowledge now :) thanks mate ! Cheers from Paris.
I drove an '07 in driving school, but buying an '09 after that was the right choice for me. Completely different bike. I'm totally on your page. I also drove a lot of KTMs, and these bikes suit my riding so much more. So, according to the video, please try the MT-10 (SP). With a wider handlebar, it's so nice to ride. (I don't need to mention the engine). I love my MT-10 SP since the first second.
I've been saying all that for years. Where I'm from it costs a whopping 9.5k. Had 2 long term rentals: a 1st gen and a 2nd gen. The only thing to like is the engine. That butter frame and poggo suspensions plus the weak brakes made me ask why it is so expensive, and the conclusion was "oh yeah, everyone has one, it sells like hot cakes", so they upped the price alot.
I think this is probably the best learner bike out there. It comes with nothing, it has no rider aids and you learn how to ride with the bare minimum. However maintenance is cheap and cheap parts if you're in your first year and fucking up some maintenance items. I had my 2015 MT07 and I'm really not complaining except for the terrible suspension
I have an 2nd gen MT-07, as a "sunday" rider, I chose it, because most of people said its for beginner - so it fits in that category really well. Or as a fun city bike. On highway - just dont, too much wind, and not so much power. Looking for Tracer 7/9 upgrade for highways.
The MT 07 was and still is one of the best-selling medium cc naked cars,..the 1st version, this one in this video, actually had some criticisms, namely the suspension,.. I bought the 2020 model with several improvements,.. and Those who rode with both noticed these same differences, much firmer. in the 2nd version,.. among others,.. besides, at the time it was a cheap motorcycle, you can't deny that,.. and yet,. almost all of them are still running,..I'm going to change mine now, for the MT 09 4 gen. , because I can't keep 2 motorcycles, otherwise, if money wasn't a problem I would never hand over the MT 07,..still today, after 4 years,..the bike still provides and entertains,..its simplicity is also its trump card,.. reliability is already well proven,.. it's not perfect, it could be a little more refined,.. but it would certainly also go up in price,.. the current model is a little better,.. but of course the 09 or r1,.. are another level,...
another suggestion: get a FJ1200, great for touring and weekend trips for two, kinda cheap, you can do a carb rebuild on vid and most important... it's a yamaha :D
agree ...and while we are at it... the R7 should never have had the designation of "R" either
I hopped of my KTM 690 Duke onto an MT-07 and couldnt believe how slugish the suspension and brakes are, and the lack of instant power.
The riding position isn't controlled and doesnt make you feel in command.
Sure the CP2 sounds cool, and the bike is comfy. That's about all thats good.
On a FZ09 now, but I miss my FZ07.
07 stock bars are awfully, but the risers are just mounted in rubber bushing. Put a fender washer under the top yoke to lock it solid.
09 and 07 both have bad suspension from Yamaha. I went full aftermarket suspension on both. The 07 is SO much more nimble. On open roads an 07 is underpowered compared to an 09. On the mountain roads I live on, the 09 feels like a big bike with good manners while the 07 felt like riding a wasp. Only reason I'm on an 09 now is I'm 6'3" and it's just more comfortable.
"all because of motocross." - Motocross had nothing to do with your crash. That was rider error.
My dude, find God, there is no perfect bike for you.
How to say that you are gay, without saying that you are gay :))
Same story to mine. My buddy and I went on a 8000 km trip from Canada to the states last year. It was supposed to be 10 days trip. 3 hr in, I realized touring is not my thing. And my buddy’s bike broke down the first day. 😅
I have driven an mt-07 and the xsr-07 i thought they were going to be the same, but omg they are too different bikes (maybe becouze of the years, the xsr is probably 2021-23 and the mt-07 was ‘18 model) i liked both, but the xsr just felt all over better. Both were nice, probably becouze i daily a 450 supermoto and oh damn its raw power, the brakes, ergonomics and handling are tiring after a longer drive 😂
I have a 2020 mt-07 and also being my first bike I will say that it’s fine, other than the seat being hard as a bleacher which is bad for rides lasting over an hour.
9 minutes in and spoken about a ring more than the title of the video.
I noticed you didn't do wheelies on it. Most all the reviews i saw were people just wheelieing everywhere. Maybe that's why they like it so much.
2:25. ‘And it was the most passionate I had been about anything in years.” Except for your girlfriend. Never let her hear you say otherwise.
Gen 2 Aprilia shiver 750 was ahead of its time.
Even now its the best bike in this category minus its suspension. The engine and clutch are perfect. The styling is ... Mixed. Underslung exhausts plus exposed trellis frame.
94hp in a V Twin with oodles of torque.
Cheap used because its not desired
It looks like a Ducati Monster's lost brother.
i got the 900 version and it is absolutely brilliant. got it used for 6600€ with 9k kms and an akra slipon. they are quite rare in germany (other parts of the world probably as well) and therefore very unique. the specs are nice and i believe it is bonkers they didnt change the styling a lot from 2007 to 2019 a lot, it still looks really good imo. the shivers are pretty underrated, if you are asking me.
Its 200kg, looks like shit. The new 660 Tuono is miles better.
The MT-07 is fine but there is so many better options. This bike is only so popular because it's cheap and incredibly good for stunting
The pogo sticks suspension is bad but i see nothing wrong with the brakes, it isn't a 400lbs track weapon going 400kph and needs every last bit of brake feel
I got a new mt07 in 2022. I love my bike to death, but it's far from perfect. The engine is a PEACH. In my opinion an absolutely perfect engine for city commuting and backroads. Extremely torquey and engaging and excited and eager and just GAH. I LOVE that engine. It seriously makes the bike. It's just so insanely fun. However, the suspension is an absolute joke. It didn't bother me as much when I started riding the bike, but over time it's become more and more clear to me that it really holds the motorcycle back. In any corner that isn't perfectly smooth I have like zero confidence to properly lean it over. It's somehow too squishy and too harsh at the exact same time. I'm pretty over it. And upgrading the suspension in really expensive, unfortunately. Otherwise I haven't really had issues with the brakes or vague handlebar input as you describe. And I probably just don't know enough to notice anything wrong with the frame.
100% agree, I don't believe on TH-camrs reviews anymore, and never believed on OEMs advertising. They just look for audience. My first bike was a FZ-07 (2017) and I loved it but is a beginners bike, just that. Now I have a XSR900 and it is just at another level.
Btw, I watch your videos for fun, not looking for reviews 😂. They are the best
XRS900 is amazing looking bike. I get steampunk vibes from it and i love it
FZ-07 is NOT a beginner bike aha, maybe in the US, sure
@@K61rYes, I'm in US and here it is considered a beginners bike mainly if you ride on highways where limit is 70mph. It is a good point. I was born in Brazil and over there the smallest bike has a 150 cc engine and is very common, over there it is considered as utilitarian as people use for delivery services. A MT07 would be a big bike there.
The 07 is a generic motorcycle. It's made with a little bit of everything everyone enjoys but it has no wow factor. Nearly everything about it it's bland. From the design to its engine. It's a motorcycle that sells very well because in the end most riders want a "predictable" vehicle with just enough power for it to be enjoyable on all roads while also being made by a reputable company.
Also cause it's cheap.
I had my lessons on the MT07. I didn't like it a lot. But it was more the 2 cilinder motor that I didn't like. It has to have 3 or more cilinders for me to like it 😅
Found this vid by 'mistake'. Very very funny. Such a pleasure hearing a review replete with so much wit and humour.
The OG Yamaha MT was a massive cruiser engine with suspension and brakes from R1. And the original MT-03 had the 660cc single from the XT. My how times have changed.
If you like the way that the KTM rides but want a little more oomph try an Aprilia Shiver 750. I have a gen 1 & the riding position is close to my Duke 200. A friend has the gen 2 that has higher mounted footpegs & a sportier riding position. They both have everything attached correctly (USD forks, radially mounted brakes etc) and have around a 15 kW advantage over an equivalent MT-07. And, at least here in Australia, they're criminally under rated so they're cheap, especially for an Italian V Twin.
So you like the power of the R1 but wanted something more comfortable as a daily and didn't even consider the MT10 😂
not to sound "tuff" (tough) , but i wound do "unlimited" broken bones for motorcycles, However BRAIN damage is why I'm not into catching air these days and never did much as a kid. YMMV
I didn't like it either so I got the street triple r. best bike on the road
So you bought an MT-07, a versatile all-rounder, while wanting a 790 Duke. Not really the bike's fault. Now go buy a Transalp 750 and proceed to complain it's not like an Africa Twin!
FANTIC CABALLERO 700 SCRAMBLER > this is the ultimate 130 iq sibling brother to the derp iq of 79 mt07...
SAME MOTOR!!
we are so alike in our inability to be entertained by 1 thing for long its crazy
It's the same thing as Honda leaving cruise control and decent suspension off the Transalp: they want the price to be such that if you care about suspension and cruise control, the cost to add those things puts your total in the Africa Twin range anyway, so it pushes the customer to buy one of those (maybe it's called "inherent upsell"?). If you want to put proper suspension on the MT-07, you probably also would want the motor to be a little peppier, so after a tune and a pipe and forks and shock, you're close enough to the MT-09 price, might as well just get one of those in the first place. No replacement for displacement, anyway; tune wouldn't even get you there (although it is a lighter bike). Seems to me it's a case of manufacturers making bikes to slot into the market and as offering-tools to guide buyers up to higher-priced models by leaving out desired features. Zach on Daily Rider said something about how the V100 Mandello was different in that respect. Too bad there are no Guzzi dealers or techs...anywhere? Not many in the US, anyway.
Mt07 was outclassed by its competition years ago. They need to upgrade their engine and platform.
I can help you there, it’s ugly , lousy colours, weird plastics, half an exhaust, uncomfortable for rider and pillion, boring sound track, so don’t feel disappointed that you can’t find negatives, I’m happy to help. Maybe it time for only fans instead of fanboy! Excellent analysis CC.
The MT07 is kind of like a grown up Honda Grom/MSX125.
you should try triumph street triple
Why did you sell mt-09😭😭😭