The angel path feels most natural story wise. Other paths doesn't really flow well when an angel jumps out of thin air and calling you his goddess' chosen one when you are literially using powers of a demon/lich.
Damn, he really does that? I though he wouldn't say it for those paths. Feels like they wrote the angel path, cut out whatever they fancied and hoped it would work narratively for the other paths.
@@КирилКирилов-в1о it gets addressed if you talk to him. He's concerned about the use of (what he believes is) Iomedae's gift. But you're beating back Deskari with it. So you must be ok deep down.
Like they said, He believes this is his goddess power, and that he is to low to understand why it manifests this way. (Kinda a bitchy move from her not to tell him "Hey yo bro, yeah, i had nothing to do with that demon youre talking about, stay clear)
@@mistercleff8819 She explains why she did not disclose that with anyone. While a stretch she can't lie or have agenda so it comes down to her being simply too undecided on what's best course of action, considering she was not aware of all the facts concerning player character up to the certain point in the story.
@@Cruiser_TV I mean... Yeah, it's an explanation. But The Hand is her most devoted follower. He represents evrything she represents and adores her. One would think she would tell him something so that he doesn't follow you when you could not be more evil, ie, demon or lich. At the end of the day in the evil playtroughs its not crazy to assume she's using you to win the crusade, not caring a whole lot about you and your evil deeds.
@@babyitsnatural there are many shades to lawful good. An altruistic man that refuses to break the law in order to do altruistic things is lawful good. This enforces being lawful, being good, not having conflict between the two, yet also doesn't have any aspects of forcing one's beliefs onto others.
@@FrightMask honestly, yeah, it is kinda cringe in that it mirrors the "nice guy" sentiments. Also society doesn't obligate you to be lawful good. Your country tries to obligate you to be lawful, but that's clearly not hard to circumvent, and you can be anti-framework in tons of other mediums and balance that out anyways. As for being good, that's even less plausible. Plenty of people have very stable lives and are very self serving. I feel he should have said "I try enough to be lawful good in real life so I want to go in a more escapist direction in my games".
@@FrightMask not sure how serious he meant it. We all ‘have’ to be lawful good right? As in, we are expected to be so, no matter if you are or want to. That is how I assumed he meant it.
Acknowledges the world would be a better place if more people thought about being positive. Goes on to criticise the cringe in someone being positive. Conflicted rumblings begin.
Legend is awesome but Ignore it cause I don't like the Hypocrisy of Iomadae. She's a mortal who becomes a god but she judges KC for doing the same? Nah. I ignore legend to spite her lol
As someone who almost always plays a chaotic-good, high charisma, champion of the oppressed, redeemer of the evil, type character in any game that will let me, the Azata path has been perfect for me. I want to at least do an Angel and an Aeon playthrough as well, but not choosing Azata again will be hard.
At least once I have started a playthrough, gotten to the Church of Desna, and suddenly my Angel/Aeon/Trickster playthrough has magically become an Azata campaign. I blame shifts in the earth's magnetic field, it totally is not that scene. Totally. Totally.
Well as much I want to do evil, it weighs heavily on me about the fate of NPC, with lore about Golation with earthfall, worldwound, kingmaker naughty fey, do we need more evil character in this world? Either way you will be God when this end so why not leave good impression?
see i prefer chaotic neurtral but ended up as just all over the place on my trickster run im abit dissapointed really cus in kingmaker the alignments were kinda grey but in wrath being good is save everyone even if they kill danm children and evil is kill everyone even if its detrimental and a bad idea for someone who is evil
To me, the path of Legend was the most natural, because despite having gods and demons ready to tear the fabric of reality, i found it very satisfying to find the strenght to get rid of this borrowed power and end this conflict with my bare hands. I also picked a Monk with Irori as a divinity to really go deep into the "reaching perfection of body and mind with no outside help or shortcuts" But in the end, every path looked so fun and original that if i have time ( and the will ) to start a new game, it will be hard to chose :)
With me going from Aeon into legend made sense as my character realized it was making her lose herself to become the Space Sheriff, and she wanted to defend this world as someone who lives IN it.
I picked Angel for my first playthrough just because role-play wise it worked the most for my neutral good character. I have to say, it is fun using it to pull rank on the Queen, etc in dialogue. I imagine Aeon feels similar. I'm glad the game doesn't tell you what the other mythic path dialogue is, because it makes the replay prospects more interesting. Next playthrough, def going for a chaotic good Azata character.
I am playing as a trickster in act 3. Lots of people think the story is silly. But if you role-play as a cunning super villain, i think trickster suit it very well.
Loving my Aeon playththrough with my Gendarme. I was originally planning to do Devil, but I love roleplaying the Lawful Neutral judge of all reality more. Being able to literally see crime is awesome. My only regret is I did not name my gendarme 'Dredd' and name my horse 'Lawmaster'.
This video is 2 years old, but here i am the night before starting wotr and the inability to not laugh at being a gold dragon at 4:44 made me laugh so hard
Noted. I am considering Aeon, Azata or Lich for my next playthrough. For my first run, I went for angel but I have to admit that it feels a bit boring to me (maybe it was to be expected but I wanted to give it a try).
@@TrueRazarus I was not. He played a lot since the beta, he made videos on all paths so he obviously played them all (maybe not till the end but probably a fair bit). Keep in mind that such kind of video is very subjective and everyone is free to agree or not. With that being said, I always find it funny when people comment just to criticize without providing their reasoning. Why wouldn't you first explain what part you don't agree with instead of calling this a nonsense?
Aeon was definitely my favorite. The story is very different compared to the others, the mechanics of the class itself are all great, but above all else, THAT MUSIC!
@@rogerkjellstrom429 Aeon has two routes - true (lawful neutral = law above everything, able to redeem several characters by changing the past, no access to ascention ending, but has unique one instead) and renegade (any other lawful aligment, redeeming becomes impossible, can ascend, but ending is basic, also serves as a gateway to devil path)
"I HAVE TO be a lawful good person in real life" [3:15]. This made me chuckle. I think it would be more accurate to say we have to act as if we were lawful good in real life. (I am helpful, am I not?)
Someone thinks like me. I've said for decades the real issue with the alignment system isn't that it doesn't work. But rather that it shows most people are, contrary to their public self-image, Lawful Evil. And will do whatever they can safely get away with.
Id say im very far from evil. But also, id agree that im evil well before I agree that im Lawful. There are no laws of the land on Earth that I dont consider to be evil already. Chaotic good BABEY!
@@shawngillogly6873 Yeah alignments fine for manifestations of a concept e.g angel or demon though even there you have exceptions to the rule. However when you start applying it to lets say mortal beings and worse tying class mechanics e.g. monk to it you run into issues.
I believe most humans are either true neutral or lawful neutral. Some are various levels of good, but they are few. Humanity, IMO leans more towards evil due to the high value we place on fulfilling our self-interests even at the expense of others. A Chaotic good person wants the same thing, except that he/she cares that others don't suffer as a result. This game made me quite fascinated with the alignment system (I've never played table-top games like D&D).
I recommend Aeon be taken for 2nd playthroughs or later because of huge changes to the story you wouldn't necessarily know are happening if you haven't done others
I went Lich first, and this time I'm going Hellknight Signifier Aeon to Devil. I read this comment of yours at the beginning of the summer and it made me decide to hold off on an Aeon run, which I definitely think was the right choice. Thanks for that advice 🧙♂️
I'm liking the hell out of the Lich path. Resurrecting cool npc's back to life and being at odds with Iomedae and Areelu is quite fun. I also have an ongoing Angel path and I'm enjoying that too.
Lich and Gold Dragon are my two favorites. I absolutely love the Gold Dragon's unique ending and am glad that I got to see that ending in my first full playthrough
People meme on GD being stupid good but I disagree. Golden dragon despite being about as fantasy as it gets has a very real and a very valid take on how to approqch personal relationships and your life. I know people like Hal personally and theyve been the greatest influences on my life and have helped me find a way through so many things that'd have broken me otherwise
Once i started playing as a CG Azata and taking Arueshalae into the party, i dont think i can play the game any other way. I couldn't stomache upsetting her. The writing for her character and dialogue outshines everything else ive seen in the game so far.
Right? They messed up "Good" characters in this game big time. Said it a million times and I'll say it again: If I play a Paladin, choosing Good dialogue choices should not make me lose my powers. The Lawful choices in this game are so psychotically bad, that following them as a Paladin genuinely feels like you're playing an Evil character sometimes. It's a damn shame they figged it up so badly.
@@Wunderkind04 I feel the Lawful dialogue options are purely for Aeon and not much else, except perhaps Hellknight...which I feel is the Aeon class to play. They seem to follow that cosmic judge type path.
@@Wunderkind04 That's Owlcat lawful, unfortunately. And it's a function of the alignment graph being circular instead of a grid. If it was a grid, choices neutral w/ regard to law/chaos would not move you towards chaotic. Which they should not. A paladin, properly, believes order is the best tool to do good. But that is not the same as saying chaos and evil are morally equivalent. Unfortunately, and one of my biggest gripes at Owlcat in both games, they don't understand the fundamental problem with the alignment circle.
Actually, angels can be between LN to NG. Angels respresent the deity they serve, thus due to the fact that you will become the angel of Iomedae, which is LG you are LG.
This is his personal ranking and if you have confirmation bias then you should just pick what you want. Not a single mythic path is best and azata can be weak choice depending on a class you play.
@@Alen725 I can't think of a single class where Azata is weak. Between the teamwork super power and Aivu, the MC could do absolutely nothing and it would still be in top 3 in terms of power. Depending on the class, your MC might not *feel* as OP, but the party buffs and cleric dragon make everyone else considerably stronger. Legend and Angel are the strongest since you can turn the MC into an unkillable tank, but those builds are so boring that I doubt many people actually play the whole game using them.
@@amirabudubai2279 Your first sentence contradict everything else you said. I said weak CHOICE, not path. As you said it can be weaker than other paths (for example picking azata over angel while playing as cleric) so it can be a weak choice. But this game isnt super extreme hardcore so obviously azata will always feel strong.
considering i had to stop watching Overlord because pointless evil is just not my thing i disagree, if they allowed non evil Liches to be a thing then hell yes, but sadly theyr lack of imagination once again locks players decision behind "we decided you have to be evil" nonsense ... have they ever heard of Balenorn Liches ? ...
@@Asghaad Dont Balenorn Liches retain their emotions from life. When you become a full lich in the game, you basically don't have any emotions. Makes sense that after the transformation, you're forced to only really do things for your own benefit. I had been playing true neutral lich up until that point and didn't really make any super evil choices, even if it benefitted me. I found it cool that my character changed when all his emotions left.
@@tyler-hp7oq again that is just the same nonsense all over again, just deciding that "you have to lose all emotions" its the same nonsense as "all angels have to be at best neutral good" this game is full of arbitrarily pre-decided nonsense that would make me make the HELL out of life of any DM bad enough to try to pull this nonsense on me (and trust me i had, wrecking railroading DMs is kinda my thing ) unfortunatelly i would have to mod about half a game to stop idiotic nonsense like mandatory alignment (instead of consequences and storybuilding around NON COMFORMAL roleplay like good aligned Lich or lets say lawful evil Angel) and two minute long cutscenes where for some reason the party is frozen and cant react no matter what ...
Devil was actually my favorite mythic path mechanically. Hell's Decrees were fun as _Hell_ and Hell's Seals showed great potential. But it begs to be a full path from Act 3. You can do a lot by giving new Seals, new Authority, new Decrees. But as is, Devil has almost nothing going for it narratively. I want to make deals and trick people. I want to abuse rules of the universe. Instead I get bent over the barrel by Cheliax and then the game ends. Nevertheless, entering a room and dropping Edict of the Never-Ending War never got old.
@@shawngillogly6873 Ehhh... Kinda, sorta, not really. Spoilers ahead. Once you become a Devil, you get a chain of council events where Cheliax comes in with the offers of "help". The offers come in form of Cheliax establishing a colonial regime in the Worldwound and expecting you to be okay with it. If you yes-man all their offers, Cheliax completely takes over once you are gone to close the wound. If you disagree with too many - they invade and you have a fight. If you approve only a few of the decisions they offer you to be their colonial governor. But no matter what, none of this has any impact on the ending. Galfrey has no reactions to the fact that Cheliax rolled in and took over while she was in Iz.
The queen and her little entourage trying to kill me, a literal devil, was the funniest shit I've ever seen when I could literally kill all but 2 of them as a swift action. Even mephistopholes was tired of her crap in that encounter.
One-shotting everyone, including queen with single Tsunami during that fight was extremely satisfying. That being said I think the most beneficial and smart play you can do is to agree to most but not all suggestions from the Cheliax General, which results in Queen visiting you again in Drezen, putting said general to the sword and then getting owned herself when you proclaim she can stuff the governor title up her ass since you're a devil and only Asmodeus has power over you. That makes her scared shitless and Cheliax does not gain anything, respecting your claim to Sarkoris as independant leader.
just finished my normal playthru as legend and i thought it was the coolest shit ever to be two level 20 classes. granted, this is all opinion based anyways and wow the fact that this game has even more choices and paths blows my mind. the ending cutscenes leave me wanting more and i think i may be going a lich or demon playthru next!! subbed. thanks for also keeping it spoiler free
I finished the game as swarm. Its funny at first but quickly gets stale, you unlock swarm clones far too late and some encounters are really hard solo. There are also a lot of semi broken interactions.
I strongly disagree. Azata acts silly while taking action to make things better. Trickster makes things worse for everybody while playing with peoples lives. At times, trickster feels like the most evil path.
Haha, I can't stomach playing evil characters. I tend to try to pick the choices that most resonate to me in games. I seem stray more towards neutral in the Pathfinder games though since the "moral" choices seem to be questionable or unfathomably dumb. I have only tried Azata at the moment, just purely due to the classes I am playing (Arcanist & Kineticist). I plan to try out the Aeon path next and then the Trickster. I might try out the Angel but Lawful good is meh.
Angel is split into two sub paths. You have the lawful (good) angel of vengeance, and the neutral (good) angel of mercy. You should notice them by the two different alignment reactivities a lot of the angel mythic path choices offer you. (Lawful/Good)
Crusader subclass Cleric with Godclaw pantheon with lawful neutral and going for angel was the most fun I've had and your just such a beast in melee and spells its not even funny.
@@Geraduss I did a melee oracle angel that was such a blast I'm doing it again. That rod of mysticism you get in the drezen siege makes already silly spells absolutely ridiculous. So fun.
I loved my demon play through, currently on Azata with lich being next. Aivu is just adorable and so well written. she the friend we all want. Wonder how many people like me went murder hobo in the flesh markets during the azata quest?
Oh I slaughtered those mother f-ers. No one screws with my dragon pal! My character wasn't even a monk, but I went bare knuckles into the lair just to get more punches in lol.
That was the only fight in the game where I had to cheese it by reloading a previous save and killing some of the slavers beforehand. The way the fight starts with you surrounded and all the guards spamming Horrid Wilting was just too much. Didn't help that I was in the process of doing all the companion quests so like 3/6 of my party weren't characters I had used at all.
My favorite was actually as Swarm that walks, however it was NOT my first playthrough, so I already knew the story of the various characters. I liked how absolutely f'ed up you and the whole story became when playing as the Swarm, none of the others really compare here.
I really like the twincasting Azata superpower that twincasts single target. Also Aivu is great. And while I agree on chaotic good, I love chaotic neutral, pushing towards balance, which in most campaigns leans towards good since the world tends to be evil imbalanced in most campaigns.
Some people really enjoy RPing CG because it is an alignment closest to how many people are IRL(honestly it might even be the most common), but it just doesn't work in the real world. Some people RP to experience something new while others do it as an outlet.
What's the point in destroying the world? Being demon or devil seems to be worse Idea, because eternal power struggle dog eat dog hierarchy, being good guys seems like profitable option no matter how you see it, it's about long term situation, at least an upstart young God doesn't get murdered by their neighbor, with demons or devil however being such young contender of demon Lord title I am imagining a lot of dark deity out there wanted your head, not to mention good deity also want your blood.
I'm getting to know the complexity of this game before buying it and had decided to go for an Angel whenever I play the game until he talked avout Azata. My FAVOURITE alignment is chaotic good, which is what I am in real life as a licenced therapist. The thing is that I can't throw spells or fight demons (well, it can be read as symbolic yada yada, but I mean literally fight) IRL, so yeah
Well you CAN be other alignments, but you also need to invest in soap on a rope if you end up in prison lol And that's the closest thing you have to Hell besides an afterlife.
For my first playthrough (just recently finished) I took the Trickster Path. I really enjoyed all the jokes and this lighhearted way in the middle of the demon invasion. These funny spells like the summon annoyed wizard, greasly bear or almost greater invisibility had me laughing a lot too. Although the end didnt feel quite like... well, the end. It still was so lighthearted. It just seemed like it would go on and on. Nothing was really serious in the whole game. So yeah, its a great path, but wouldnt advise it to use for the first playthrough like I did.
My personal favorite is the Trickster, of course it doesnt make sense if you play a paladin but if you approach the story as a gnome illusionist it makes for a great story experience
SPOILERS FOR GOLD DRAGON: . . . . You don't actually have to be a goodie two-shoes. While it IS a bit underwhelming, you do have the option of becoming corrupted by Dahak. It doesn't change your Alignment, unfortunately, but it DOES give you a bunch of Evil Gold Dragon choices, which is fun.
Great breakdown, love the Azata. It's rare to find a path focused on beauty, freedom, and artistic expression in a good vs evil rpg. One minor note, and I don't mean to criticise, but there appears to be a weird sound glitch on opening and closing of this video. Opening second or so sounds like it was cut from somewhere else, and the wonderful closing line I always appreciate got cut off at "have an-". Not sure if it's a youtube glitch or something else. Otherwise, as always, great to hear your take :)
Did Angel for my first path and currently going Lich, gotta love yeeting + raising armies and companions (raising Staunton felt SO GOOD). Next up may be either true Aeon, Demon or Azata.
I loved everything about lich path! it was so cool, the fact that you can actually build up undead armies and party is super cool. I hated that you cant do romance (even tho i see how its a thing), but i hate being locked out of ending to a side story. I cant see myself doing another evil playtrough, but i really wanted to see how camilla romance turns out, i loved how twisted and weird it was, but i wasnt willing to let go of my undead powers and become legend. so i just quit the game for 6 months and now i come back thinking of what to do in my brand new playtrough xD
Just so people know if you take levels in an full arcane casting class (sorcerer, wizard, witch, or arcanist) and opt to merge your class spell book with the lich mythic spellbook, you’ll keep your lich spells even if you opt to go legend later. The same thing is true for gold dragon. If you do this then dropping lich doesn’t feel like that severe of a loss
for me i did Swarm as first playthro and while i did enjoy it i had massive issues with not dying until i got the ability where you got immunities. pretty much anything that drains stats or stun/slow you will kill you until you get the second level of it or rank 9 mythic in this case but i had a lot of fun with it but i can also see why people would dislike it as it does remove a large portion of the content in terms of companion quests and such. Edit: also i did lich until the Swarm and i found it very cool the way you could get some companions thro raising them as the dead but in general story wise it was a little weak.
He said he is ranking them based on how much he likes them, power can be a factor in that but not the only factor. I've finished Azata, deep in act 5 as Angel, and act 4 as Lich, and while merged angel is definitely strongest IMO I like Azata the most.
He literally didn't use the word "powerful", you've got the video in front of you for God's sake, at least quote him or something, don't make things up for convenience cause that way you sound more right He said he liked the mechanics, the dragon companion and party feats are strong and overall the Mythic path was good, on top of the fact that there was this thing that is cute(Idk what he was talking about) A translation of what you said is that he ranked Azata as No 1 because it makes the game easier, which is far from true I Absolutely love my current Mythic path (Lich) because of its mechanics: it makes me feel powerful, despite the fact that it's not the most powerful I hope my last sentence helps you understand the difference
@@jekytck Don't get this worked up for youtube comments, but to address some of your points: What's the deal with using the word powerful? It isn't in quotes so why are you making it out like I've quoted him? I just used the word to describe what I felt like his review of the path was. If I quoted everything that would prove my point I would've wrote an essay instead of leaving a simple comment to show my critique. I rewatched the video and he said that the path is "ridiculous", followed by "the dragon companion is insane" and that "the superpowers are ridiculous" while saying that he isn't a fan of it being chaotic good and the story is wack at times. Outside of him stating that the dragon is cute, there is no indication that he likes it narratively instead of mechanically and the intro of the video gave me the impression that the ranking will be the other way around. Maybe I'm wrong, but don't make it out like it's impossible to interpret it the way I did, while trying to sound like a total smart ass.
@@КирилКирилов-в1о First and foremost let me say this: you got worked up for a youtube comment but I want you to know that I appreciated it. You took the time to answer properly, and this is very important for me, thank you. Second: The deal with the word "powerful" is in its definition and implication. More powerful = more easy, as consequence at least, in this case. "Ridiculous" frankly could mean anything and could just be referred in general, as a whole, to something amazing (for the experience itself or whatever you want). I can see why you thought what you thought, because I thought the same for a second but I gave Morti the benefit of the doubt and then I realized what he meant. Third: I said to quote him if you wanted to say he was wrong(I know you didn't mean Exactly that), because, not only the devil is in the details, but also because it's way too convenient to make a point based on something inaccurate/wrong; you twist exactly the part that makes the reason to tip over to your side. Fourth: Maybe *I'M wrong* but regardless: what you think that I'm trying to look like is your opinion and fair enough, but don't bullshit me with that, cause I'm not trying to sound like a "total smart ass". There would be no reason (that I know of) for that, especially given that you don't know me, and ... that's just my way of expressing myself, I have no idea on why that should be some sort of closing point, worthy of mention. Fifth: I know I've been somewhat rude, I hope this did not cause any discomfort or anything like that, I just get a bit .. uh.. emotional when I see someone using these "tactics" (consciously or not) for the sake of being right. And I hope you don't take any offence in my attempt to accuse you of using "shameful tactics", that was just for the sake of giving an explanation, I'm no one important, hence such accusation should have no value for you, unless you agree with me. Have a good day
I've found that the super late game paths come well...too late in the game. A path just beginning to show up by act 5 just is too late. I just finished a Swarm playthrough, and by the time it has all its juice, you are at game over, and what's worse it didn't feel all that more powerful. From a narrative side, these late game paths also have to be divergences of other paths you were already on, so its disruptive as well. I am really thinking the paths that take shape beginning in Act 3 are better for coming online that early in the game, which is a big deal. I haven't played all of them but so far my rankings as follows that I have played: #1 Lich, mechanically the best choice for an arcane caster, and the chance to actually be a fully realized Lich in a game. #2 Azata, powerful, narratively cool, AIVU OMG, and CG is my favorite alignment in table top, no downsides. #3 Demon, strong powers, get to be evil, narratively intriguing (a demon leading the crusade). #4 Angel, lends itself to divine casting and melee, really nothing for casters, and divine casting and melee are objectively weaker options than ranged or arcane casting. Goodie-goodie play is also a bit boring. 5# Swarm that walks, comes online way too late, requires very specific choices almost to the level of choices needed for apotheosis, and isn't mechanically so powerful that the payoff feels worth it. Lich and Azata both feel stronger, are less tedious, and come earlier in game. Disappointed. Currently working on Gold Dragon and Aeon playthroughs. May try another for Devil if I am still have interest in the game after playing through it many times already.
the main utility of the swarm that walks path is that we have a descriptor to apply to certain people in the real world that captures their essence in a way other putdowns never could
@@alexsawicki1721 And if you're doing 'goodie goodie' play it's unlikely you'll have any issue with hurting your party, unlike the Lich, whose undead companion options aren't that great and you don't get the last one until basically the end of the game. So, doing damage to at least one party member is a legitimate concern for virtually the entire game. I feel like a lot of these people haven't actually done these playthroughs and are simply looking at the wiki and making comparisons.
I know a lot of people love the mythic path for various reasons, but the entire concept makes me want to gag. Maybe it's because I'm a hellknight & lawful evil fanboy.
Your list was almost the opposite of mine. For me, Lich, Trickster and Angel were the most enjoyable. Legend I would have placed at top if you could get it earlier. Same with Gold Dragon. They just come too late in the game for me to be invested in. But I do agree that Swarm That Walks is the worst. Losing all companions is insta NOPE territory for me.
First time player here. I chose Aeon path simply due to finding the angel path and the demon path too biased when it came to the Wardstone choice. I am not even quite sure what kept me on this path, but i absolutely love it. The powers are excellent for my Deliverer Elf, the changes you make are noticed and discussed by anyone, even some minor NPCs. The path of an Aeon is hard, as even when you want to do what is right or what is most beneficial, you are tasked with setting straight the chaos of the world, and even denying the existence of said chaos altogether!
I love that I watch two different WotR youtubers and you both have completely opposite views on what is good and what is bad and you're both correct. The only thing you two agree on is that Demon is one of the best mythic paths in the game.
Azata is pretty much "what if you were a Disney Princess tough enough to murder demons" and I just can't argue with that aesthetic and thoroughly enjoyed that as my first run. As for Trickster, while I agree the character you end up being is goofy, the certain council you end up interacting with was genuinely interesting to me.
It's definitely the most 'saturday morning cartoon' of all the paths. 'We're gonna save the world with music and friendship!' yeah and that demon's about to rip your head off buddy.
I was expecting azata to be first. I don't necesarrily hate it, but i feel that the theme doesn't fit my char. Sure, the dragon and superpowers are cool, but the wings have to be what i hate the most... Having a burly half-orc with a greataxe just doesn't fit with it... Bummer.
@@johnathanmartin1504 you could try an azata bloodrager (reformed fiend) tiefling. They look... Close enouth to elves eith their pointy ears. Just kidding vut its a nice concept.
For my first playthrough, I went with an arcane sorcerer with a scholar background, that went to the Worldwound for study (so kinda like Nenio). For this kind of character none of the mythic paths truly fit, IMO (unless they are so self obsessed to become a Lich). I went with Aeon, because my sorc was a follower of Nethys that emphasizes the balance of forces... but it quickly turned out, that Aeon isn't about finding the truth behind inner workings of the universe, but telling people "CONFESS YOUR SINS" and being hated by most of them, so I scrapped the game and went with a different character.
Aivu, alone, makes Azata worth it. But then, as if it couldn't possibly get better, the reformed succubus falls in love with you. I call that an absolute win.
Kinda agree on Azata. I regret choosing Azata for my first playthrough, I want a decent story outside the main story, Azata imo is kinda meh. Without spoiling so much, you're going to be literally become a Snow White, and a childish one. But I would have a hard time in term of gameplay moving forward playing other paths, after playing Azata cause it is super strong and comfortable to use.
ngk azata makes me feel like a fey princess from the fey wild i can literally make flowers bloom at my feet and i get a cute purple dragon bestie? im sold
I love being a dragon, but storywise i felt like the gold dragon was rather lacking (wich is propably more due to the fact that you dont really get to be one for long. Hope the DLC expands upon that nicely.)
@@edwardoliveira1748 Well Pathfinder came from D&D and in that lore you have the metallic and chromatic dragons and only the metallic are good, and a black dragon is chromatic aka evil. And that path is clearly made for a good character, and to accommodate evil ones well it would have to be even more complex.
Azata is far and away my favorite mythic path. Not only are the abilities and powers (including Aivu) just stupid good, I actually really enjoy the storyline of Azata, even if it can be silly at times. Call me a softie but I just love the idea of standing for freedom, art, and resemption. Oh, and the Arueshalae romance with Azata is just **chef's kiss** perfection
The legend is hilarious because all demons literally lose their shit when they are defeated by an ordinary mortal. Just imagine you're an immortal entity from the depths of abyss, literally a monster from nightmares, and you get your knees broken by some random dude with a kukri
My first playthrough was Swarm because I initially thought the concept was interesting. But it LITERALLY just wound up being the “I hate everyone” school shooter path, and that’s really not an exaggeration. Aeon was absolutely amazing, and Devil is alright. I think you’ve convinced me to try out Azata though.
What's the best mythic path for the new Assasin? It's my first playthrough I'm currently a demon slayer but I plan to prestiege as an assassin. What is the best mythic path? I thought about doing the demon mythic path but idk if I'll fight any demons on that path
My only problem with Azata is Aivu having ''threatening presence'' and I can't figure out how to turn it off, so your entire party ends up chasing all the demons around the map because they can't save against the fear and all demons for some reason either have haste or at least 50 moment.
Yeah. Azata is really powerful. I build all my party members around teamwork feats, and maxing out crits. So one person on the map gets a crit and you just get chain attacks and dumpster a guy for like 300 damage.
Excuse me, 5:05 how do you get THAT look???? i chouse dragon path too, but my character doesen't have golden horns or TALE !!! How do you get that? is it some mode? ok, horns might be from teefling character... but the tale!!! how did you got it????? Please, answer !!
My favorite path is Demon, because, like you, I like to role-play evil characters and the story of this path is so satisfying! The biggest highlight of this path was the fact that it's the only one where you can f*ck up a certain annoying, pretentious, controlling demon!
Swarm is life xD. I am the swarm(bonus to those who get the line ;D). I did angel first though and it's pretty broken with casters like Oracle with alot or spell slots with abundant casting myrhic. Also swarm that walks gets it's own story line, separate from the regular story so you dont actually miss out, you just get a different ending
Glad to see the love for Azata. I'm doing my first playthrough right now and I just got it. Aivu is already great as an extra body in combat and summoning a mastodon is incredibly satisfying.
For my Unfair Solo run I went with Trickster into Legend (it allows you to keep the Trickster perks, so a lot of big crits and level 9 spells as cantrips). It's insane what you can do with 40 levels. In the end I had 120 AC, 100 touch AC, 50 in all saves, 60 attack, 50+ ranks in all skills ... all this without any buff spell, so I went with Magic Nullification as my mythic ability, which makes you totally immune to magic. It was mostly full easy mode. You get all your power at the beginning of act 5, it had some great dialog optiions (like dealing with Areshkagal) and all parties (angels, demons, devils, azata, lich) support you and also Aivu joins your crusade.
Understood, ranked to your preference(s). Objectively though, if one is willing to sacrifice everything (i.e: going it alone, chunks of the story, etc., etc.), Swarm (with clones), if it gets big enough, is the most powerful mythic path in the game, hands down as it currently sits till Owlcat tweaks, nerfs, etc.
Hmm, Azata is one of that paths I haven't tried yet, maybe I should try that next time? Any suggestions for a good class to go with Azata? Just finished a demon kineticist playthrough, which was really powerful (but unlike Mortismal, I get uncomfortable when I try to be evil in games, lol :P ), and now I'm playing an angelic oracle with focus on glaive and cleave.
Devil to me is the most interesting because unlike demons they aren't just destroyers. Devils are sinister, and more sophisticated. Swarm doesn't appeal to me because the appeal of these games if you're not doing a custom party are the interactions with the characters you meet and having to lose those isn't fun. I would have loved a vampire lord path that comes with a small group of mortal soldiers that follow you as you are a lord of a small kingdom along with cool vampire powers and turning your party members into vampires with sun immunity. The final step in that would be becoming a Castlevania style vampire demon. If you like the idea of being a vampire lord like Dracula or similar it's the path for you. It includes summons of wolves and bat swarms. It's not as powerful as Lich but could be a second option in that path. The gold dragon is cool but the lawful good alignment? Nope. Azata is another one that seems fun, and it probably is with the pet dragon but again you have to pick good. Trickster is just Thanos or a mild Sheogorath. Actually reminds me more of the Emperor Joker comic where Joker becomes a god and controls reality.
ALL mythic paths are great, stop badmouthing them! Angels are WONDERFUL Azatas are INSPIRING Aeons are JUST Liches are POWERFUL Legends are CHADS Swarms Devils are IMPOSING Tricksters are HILARIOUS
One video I would really appreciate is a brief overview of each mythic path from a mechanical standpoint. A lot of videos/guides I have seen will tell me how to unlock them or a little about the fantasy (Azata = kicking but with the power of friendship Aeon = I AM THE LAW!) but none of them really tell me what advantages I get from a gameplay perspective or what classes each path synergises well with.
I also like demon and my 1st choice because its not necessarily "evil" - its just a path that's more fuck this I'll do what I want when I want it... The game itself kinda gets overwhelming, a lot of rules to follow - also considering paths like Lich, Dragon, etc... having a lot of requirements. Demon is my first choice as well!
agreed. Aivu is the best. If this weren't a themed run (Demonslayer Ranger letting his hatred of demons corrupt him and lead him down the path of the devil) that I was doing currently, I'd be going Azata. Aivu reins supreme as the best companion, the best mount, and the cutest possible creature. I STILL might go Azata, depending on my dialogue choices. I'm starting them off as True-Neutral Atheist and seeing where my conversation choices lead as i keep their constructed personality in mind.
Not sure if others tried this but, I was playing through as my Paladin of Iomedae and the story felt very tailor made to play that and go from Angel to legend. Iomedae gives some really good ethical and logical reasoning as to why you should be the legend path which superbly fit with my Paladin of Iomedae I was playing. I also named him Torm because... y'know...Iomedae and Torm are basically the same.
Will admit that the STW has me the most intrigued. Still need to start this game, but I but role-playing as someone with good intentions only to become the new big bad does seem appealing
The angel path feels most natural story wise. Other paths doesn't really flow well when an angel jumps out of thin air and calling you his goddess' chosen one when you are literially using powers of a demon/lich.
Damn, he really does that? I though he wouldn't say it for those paths. Feels like they wrote the angel path, cut out whatever they fancied and hoped it would work narratively for the other paths.
@@КирилКирилов-в1о it gets addressed if you talk to him. He's concerned about the use of (what he believes is) Iomedae's gift. But you're beating back Deskari with it. So you must be ok deep down.
Like they said, He believes this is his goddess power, and that he is to low to understand why it manifests this way. (Kinda a bitchy move from her not to tell him "Hey yo bro, yeah, i had nothing to do with that demon youre talking about, stay clear)
@@mistercleff8819 She explains why she did not disclose that with anyone. While a stretch she can't lie or have agenda so it comes down to her being simply too undecided on what's best course of action, considering she was not aware of all the facts concerning player character up to the certain point in the story.
@@Cruiser_TV I mean... Yeah, it's an explanation. But The Hand is her most devoted follower. He represents evrything she represents and adores her. One would think she would tell him something so that he doesn't follow you when you could not be more evil, ie, demon or lich. At the end of the day in the evil playtroughs its not crazy to assume she's using you to win the crusade, not caring a whole lot about you and your evil deeds.
"I have to be lawful good in real life"
*Looks out window
God I wish more people felt the same way
@@babyitsnatural there are many shades to lawful good. An altruistic man that refuses to break the law in order to do altruistic things is lawful good. This enforces being lawful, being good, not having conflict between the two, yet also doesn't have any aspects of forcing one's beliefs onto others.
Honestly, I rolled my eyes out at that affirmation. It is so blatantly pretentious that i seriously doubt he is any good as he thinks he is.
@@FrightMask honestly, yeah, it is kinda cringe in that it mirrors the "nice guy" sentiments. Also society doesn't obligate you to be lawful good. Your country tries to obligate you to be lawful, but that's clearly not hard to circumvent, and you can be anti-framework in tons of other mediums and balance that out anyways. As for being good, that's even less plausible. Plenty of people have very stable lives and are very self serving. I feel he should have said "I try enough to be lawful good in real life so I want to go in a more escapist direction in my games".
@@FrightMask not sure how serious he meant it. We all ‘have’ to be lawful good right? As in, we are expected to be so, no matter if you are or want to. That is how I assumed he meant it.
Acknowledges the world would be a better place if more people thought about being positive.
Goes on to criticise the cringe in someone being positive.
Conflicted rumblings begin.
"Disregard Gods, Become LEGEND"
- Man
My character is an atheist.
Legend is awesome but Ignore it cause I don't like the Hypocrisy of Iomadae. She's a mortal who becomes a god but she judges KC for doing the same? Nah. I ignore legend to spite her lol
@@SpaceVENTING I think her argument is that your power is bad because it was given to you by demons.
As someone who almost always plays a chaotic-good, high charisma, champion of the oppressed, redeemer of the evil, type character in any game that will let me, the Azata path has been perfect for me. I want to at least do an Angel and an Aeon playthrough as well, but not choosing Azata again will be hard.
Yeah this is me too… I just have a very hard time to do bad things even to NPCs and that basically prevents me to play bad routes.
I feel the same way but for the lich path. So few games allow you to play with full on necromancy.
At least once I have started a playthrough, gotten to the Church of Desna, and suddenly my Angel/Aeon/Trickster playthrough has magically become an Azata campaign. I blame shifts in the earth's magnetic field, it totally is not that scene. Totally. Totally.
Well as much I want to do evil, it weighs heavily on me about the fate of NPC, with lore about Golation with earthfall, worldwound, kingmaker naughty fey, do we need more evil character in this world? Either way you will be God when this end so why not leave good impression?
see i prefer chaotic neurtral but ended up as just all over the place on my trickster run im abit dissapointed really cus in kingmaker the alignments were kinda grey but in wrath being good is save everyone even if they kill danm children and evil is kill everyone even if its detrimental and a bad idea for someone who is evil
To me, the path of Legend was the most natural, because despite having gods and demons ready to tear the fabric of reality, i found it very satisfying to find the strenght to get rid of this borrowed power and end this conflict with my bare hands.
I also picked a Monk with Irori as a divinity to really go deep into the "reaching perfection of body and mind with no outside help or shortcuts"
But in the end, every path looked so fun and original that if i have time ( and the will ) to start a new game, it will be hard to chose :)
yeah, i really loved the "fine, ill do it myself" feel of legend path ;p
Basically Saitama
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@@nickcomk With how you close that thing, it sure feels like it!
With me going from Aeon into legend made sense as my character realized it was making her lose herself to become the Space Sheriff, and she wanted to defend this world as someone who lives IN it.
I picked Angel for my first playthrough just because role-play wise it worked the most for my neutral good character. I have to say, it is fun using it to pull rank on the Queen, etc in dialogue. I imagine Aeon feels similar. I'm glad the game doesn't tell you what the other mythic path dialogue is, because it makes the replay prospects more interesting. Next playthrough, def going for a chaotic good Azata character.
I am playing as a trickster in act 3. Lots of people think the story is silly. But if you role-play as a cunning super villain, i think trickster suit it very well.
Persuasion Rank 3.
Loving my Aeon playththrough with my Gendarme. I was originally planning to do Devil, but I love roleplaying the Lawful Neutral judge of all reality more. Being able to literally see crime is awesome. My only regret is I did not name my gendarme 'Dredd' and name my horse 'Lawmaster'.
Now I want to start a new playthrough as a lawful neutral monk. "Gaze into the fist of Dredd!"
My main character was called Dredd and he was a Inquisitor Judge
You need to looking for "Le Gendarme de St Tropez" too understand what a real modern gendarme is.
Did you play aeon before any other paths? Heard its better to start with another path first
This video is 2 years old, but here i am the night before starting wotr and the inability to not laugh at being a gold dragon at 4:44 made me laugh so hard
I can't believe I was looking for such ranking a few hours ago and was disappointed that I couldn't find any. You're the best Mortismal !
Noted. I am considering Aeon, Azata or Lich for my next playthrough.
For my first run, I went for angel but I have to admit that it feels a bit boring to me (maybe it was to be expected but I wanted to give it a try).
@@TrueRazarus I was not. He played a lot since the beta, he made videos on all paths so he obviously played them all (maybe not till the end but probably a fair bit). Keep in mind that such kind of video is very subjective and everyone is free to agree or not. With that being said, I always find it funny when people comment just to criticize without providing their reasoning. Why wouldn't you first explain what part you don't agree with instead of calling this a nonsense?
Mortym: "I have to be a Lawful Good person in real life"
Me: *laughs in chaotic neutral*
Aeon was definitely my favorite. The story is very different compared to the others, the mechanics of the class itself are all great, but above all else, THAT MUSIC!
Do you have to be good to be a Aeon?
@@rogerkjellstrom429 You have to be Lawful. Very Lawful. Being good and kind instead of being strict and just will actively fuck up your Aeon-ing.
@@b.d.a.8719 Ok Gold dragon is also like that, he even get scolded by Iomedae that he is too good...
Aeon theme is awesome, as is Devils, made the soundtrack of my 1st playthrough amazing
@@rogerkjellstrom429 Aeon has two routes - true (lawful neutral = law above everything, able to redeem several characters by changing the past, no access to ascention ending, but has unique one instead) and renegade (any other lawful aligment, redeeming becomes impossible, can ascend, but ending is basic, also serves as a gateway to devil path)
"I HAVE TO be a lawful good person in real life" [3:15]. This made me chuckle. I think it would be more accurate to say we have to act as if we were lawful good in real life. (I am helpful, am I not?)
Someone thinks like me. I've said for decades the real issue with the alignment system isn't that it doesn't work. But rather that it shows most people are, contrary to their public self-image, Lawful Evil. And will do whatever they can safely get away with.
Id say im very far from evil. But also, id agree that im evil well before I agree that im Lawful. There are no laws of the land on Earth that I dont consider to be evil already. Chaotic good BABEY!
@@shawngillogly6873 Yeah alignments fine for manifestations of a concept e.g angel or demon though even there you have exceptions to the rule. However when you start applying it to lets say mortal beings and worse tying class mechanics e.g. monk to it you run into issues.
Most of us are N. Good or L.N. Its the "lawfuls" you gotta watch out for.
I believe most humans are either true neutral or lawful neutral. Some are various levels of good, but they are few. Humanity, IMO leans more towards evil due to the high value we place on fulfilling our self-interests even at the expense of others. A Chaotic good person wants the same thing, except that he/she cares that others don't suffer as a result. This game made me quite fascinated with the alignment system (I've never played table-top games like D&D).
I recommend Aeon be taken for 2nd playthroughs or later because of huge changes to the story you wouldn't necessarily know are happening if you haven't done others
But you will see those changes on a second playthrough either way, just in reverse.
@@page8301what I’m doing right now, Just caught Drazen yesterday and awoken my Aeon path. My first play through.
I went Lich first, and this time I'm going Hellknight Signifier Aeon to Devil. I read this comment of yours at the beginning of the summer and it made me decide to hold off on an Aeon run, which I definitely think was the right choice. Thanks for that advice 🧙♂️
I'm liking the hell out of the Lich path. Resurrecting cool npc's back to life and being at odds with Iomedae and Areelu is quite fun. I also have an ongoing Angel path and I'm enjoying that too.
Lich and Gold Dragon are my two favorites. I absolutely love the Gold Dragon's unique ending and am glad that I got to see that ending in my first full playthrough
People meme on GD being stupid good but I disagree. Golden dragon despite being about as fantasy as it gets has a very real and a very valid take on how to approqch personal relationships and your life. I know people like Hal personally and theyve been the greatest influences on my life and have helped me find a way through so many things that'd have broken me otherwise
@@Jereb343 Hal causes so much harm. The cultist that he spares when you meet him ends up staying evil and kills innocent people again.
I have been waiting for this! Praise be to Lord Mortisimal!
The immortal one is here!
Once i started playing as a CG Azata and taking Arueshalae into the party, i dont think i can play the game any other way. I couldn't stomache upsetting her. The writing for her character and dialogue outshines everything else ive seen in the game so far.
In defense of the angel, in Pathfinder they're NG rather than LG. Archons, are LG. Though not a choice for a mythic path unfortunately.
Right?
They messed up "Good" characters in this game big time.
Said it a million times and I'll say it again: If I play a Paladin, choosing Good dialogue choices should not make me lose my powers.
The Lawful choices in this game are so psychotically bad, that following them as a Paladin genuinely feels like you're playing an Evil character sometimes.
It's a damn shame they figged it up so badly.
@@Wunderkind04 I feel the Lawful dialogue options are purely for Aeon and not much else, except perhaps Hellknight...which I feel is the Aeon class to play. They seem to follow that cosmic judge type path.
@@Wunderkind04 That's Owlcat lawful, unfortunately. And it's a function of the alignment graph being circular instead of a grid. If it was a grid, choices neutral w/ regard to law/chaos would not move you towards chaotic. Which they should not. A paladin, properly, believes order is the best tool to do good. But that is not the same as saying chaos and evil are morally equivalent.
Unfortunately, and one of my biggest gripes at Owlcat in both games, they don't understand the fundamental problem with the alignment circle.
@@shawngillogly6873 100% the alignment circle is pretty retarded.
Actually, angels can be between LN to NG. Angels respresent the deity they serve, thus due to the fact that you will become the angel of Iomedae, which is LG you are LG.
Chaotic Good always felt like it's the right path for me. Happy to see Azata being number one. That definitively feels the right choice for me.
This is his personal ranking and if you have confirmation bias then you should just pick what you want. Not a single mythic path is best and azata can be weak choice depending on a class you play.
CG irl :)
@@Alen725 I can't think of a single class where Azata is weak. Between the teamwork super power and Aivu, the MC could do absolutely nothing and it would still be in top 3 in terms of power. Depending on the class, your MC might not *feel* as OP, but the party buffs and cleric dragon make everyone else considerably stronger.
Legend and Angel are the strongest since you can turn the MC into an unkillable tank, but those builds are so boring that I doubt many people actually play the whole game using them.
@@amirabudubai2279 Your first sentence contradict everything else you said. I said weak CHOICE, not path. As you said it can be weaker than other paths (for example picking azata over angel while playing as cleric) so it can be a weak choice. But this game isnt super extreme hardcore so obviously azata will always feel strong.
Well being chaotic allow some flexibility, that's what I like the most, being stuck up lawful never seems to interest me.
If you watched overlord lich is a must, there is literally almost every spell of the anime in the game
considering i had to stop watching Overlord because pointless evil is just not my thing i disagree, if they allowed non evil Liches to be a thing then hell yes, but sadly theyr lack of imagination once again locks players decision behind "we decided you have to be evil" nonsense ... have they ever heard of Balenorn Liches ? ...
@@Asghaad Dont Balenorn Liches retain their emotions from life. When you become a full lich in the game, you basically don't have any emotions. Makes sense that after the transformation, you're forced to only really do things for your own benefit. I had been playing true neutral lich up until that point and didn't really make any super evil choices, even if it benefitted me. I found it cool that my character changed when all his emotions left.
@@tyler-hp7oq again that is just the same nonsense all over again, just deciding that "you have to lose all emotions"
its the same nonsense as "all angels have to be at best neutral good"
this game is full of arbitrarily pre-decided nonsense that would make me make the HELL out of life of any DM bad enough to try to pull this nonsense on me (and trust me i had, wrecking railroading DMs is kinda my thing )
unfortunatelly i would have to mod about half a game to stop idiotic nonsense like mandatory alignment (instead of consequences and storybuilding around NON COMFORMAL roleplay like good aligned Lich or lets say lawful evil Angel) and two minute long cutscenes where for some reason the party is frozen and cant react no matter what ...
@@Asghaadit's based on dnd so cry about it
@@papahairy5315 and DnD has non evil Liches ...
I love how thoroughly you have covered this game, and I can't wait for it to go on sale again.
Devil was actually my favorite mythic path mechanically. Hell's Decrees were fun as _Hell_ and Hell's Seals showed great potential. But it begs to be a full path from Act 3. You can do a lot by giving new Seals, new Authority, new Decrees. But as is, Devil has almost nothing going for it narratively. I want to make deals and trick people. I want to abuse rules of the universe. Instead I get bent over the barrel by Cheliax and then the game ends.
Nevertheless, entering a room and dropping Edict of the Never-Ending War never got old.
As I understand, if you play it right, you actually outmaneuver Cheliax.
@@shawngillogly6873 Ehhh... Kinda, sorta, not really. Spoilers ahead.
Once you become a Devil, you get a chain of council events where Cheliax comes in with the offers of "help". The offers come in form of Cheliax establishing a colonial regime in the Worldwound and expecting you to be okay with it. If you yes-man all their offers, Cheliax completely takes over once you are gone to close the wound. If you disagree with too many - they invade and you have a fight. If you approve only a few of the decisions they offer you to be their colonial governor.
But no matter what, none of this has any impact on the ending. Galfrey has no reactions to the fact that Cheliax rolled in and took over while she was in Iz.
The queen and her little entourage trying to kill me, a literal devil, was the funniest shit I've ever seen when I could literally kill all but 2 of them as a swift action. Even mephistopholes was tired of her crap in that encounter.
@@Nikioko Aeon
One-shotting everyone, including queen with single Tsunami during that fight was extremely satisfying. That being said I think the most beneficial and smart play you can do is to agree to most but not all suggestions from the Cheliax General, which results in Queen visiting you again in Drezen, putting said general to the sword and then getting owned herself when you proclaim she can stuff the governor title up her ass since you're a devil and only Asmodeus has power over you. That makes her scared shitless and Cheliax does not gain anything, respecting your claim to Sarkoris as independant leader.
just finished my normal playthru as legend and i thought it was the coolest shit ever to be two level 20 classes. granted, this is all opinion based anyways and wow the fact that this game has even more choices and paths blows my mind. the ending cutscenes leave me wanting more and i think i may be going a lich or demon playthru next!! subbed. thanks for also keeping it spoiler free
I finished the game as swarm. Its funny at first but quickly gets stale, you unlock swarm clones far too late and some encounters are really hard solo. There are also a lot of semi broken interactions.
3:11 "I have to be a lawful good person in real life" - Shit I've been playing real life wrong.
Interesting that you disliked trickster because of its silliness but ranked azata at the top. Azata is super silly.
I play trickster right now and i must say its the most fun and wacky experience ever!!
hahahah true
I strongly disagree. Azata acts silly while taking action to make things better. Trickster makes things worse for everybody while playing with peoples lives. At times, trickster feels like the most evil path.
Azata #1 just for the crusaders you can err accept and give knighthood to.
Haha, I can't stomach playing evil characters. I tend to try to pick the choices that most resonate to me in games. I seem stray more towards neutral in the Pathfinder games though since the "moral" choices seem to be questionable or unfathomably dumb. I have only tried Azata at the moment, just purely due to the classes I am playing (Arcanist & Kineticist). I plan to try out the Aeon path next and then the Trickster. I might try out the Angel but Lawful good is meh.
Fuck LG dude, I played my Angel as purely NG and it was great
Angel is split into two sub paths. You have the lawful (good) angel of vengeance, and the neutral (good) angel of mercy. You should notice them by the two different alignment reactivities a lot of the angel mythic path choices offer you. (Lawful/Good)
I was an almost chaotic good angel and no one mentioned it. in fact most everyone gushed over me...daeran excluded.
Crusader subclass Cleric with Godclaw pantheon with lawful neutral and going for angel was the most fun I've had and your just such a beast in melee and spells its not even funny.
@@Geraduss I did a melee oracle angel that was such a blast I'm doing it again. That rod of mysticism you get in the drezen siege makes already silly spells absolutely ridiculous. So fun.
"I have to be a Lawful Good person in real life, so I don't like to role-play as one". Love it. So true.
I loved my demon play through, currently on Azata with lich being next. Aivu is just adorable and so well written. she the friend we all want.
Wonder how many people like me went murder hobo in the flesh markets during the azata quest?
On core that fight was so hard, lol, at least for my party. But I would slauhter an entire city of demons to protect Aivu!
@IdleBigots My main problem was the guards in the back casting horrid wilting once or more times per round. I finally won by focusing them down first.
Oh I slaughtered those mother f-ers. No one screws with my dragon pal! My character wasn't even a monk, but I went bare knuckles into the lair just to get more punches in lol.
That was the only fight in the game where I had to cheese it by reloading a previous save and killing some of the slavers beforehand. The way the fight starts with you surrounded and all the guards spamming Horrid Wilting was just too much. Didn't help that I was in the process of doing all the companion quests so like 3/6 of my party weren't characters I had used at all.
My favorite was actually as Swarm that walks, however it was NOT my first playthrough, so I already knew the story of the various characters. I liked how absolutely f'ed up you and the whole story became when playing as the Swarm, none of the others really compare here.
I really like the twincasting Azata superpower that twincasts single target. Also Aivu is great. And while I agree on chaotic good, I love chaotic neutral, pushing towards balance, which in most campaigns leans towards good since the world tends to be evil imbalanced in most campaigns.
Some people really enjoy RPing CG because it is an alignment closest to how many people are IRL(honestly it might even be the most common), but it just doesn't work in the real world. Some people RP to experience something new while others do it as an outlet.
Renegade Aeon is chaotic neutral, but depressing. I do like the story for Aeon, but it was soul-crushing, whether you were true or renegade.
What's the point in destroying the world? Being demon or devil seems to be worse Idea, because eternal power struggle dog eat dog hierarchy, being good guys seems like profitable option no matter how you see it, it's about long term situation, at least an upstart young God doesn't get murdered by their neighbor, with demons or devil however being such young contender of demon Lord title I am imagining a lot of dark deity out there wanted your head, not to mention good deity also want your blood.
I'm getting to know the complexity of this game before buying it and had decided to go for an Angel whenever I play the game until he talked avout Azata. My FAVOURITE alignment is chaotic good, which is what I am in real life as a licenced therapist. The thing is that I can't throw spells or fight demons (well, it can be read as symbolic yada yada, but I mean literally fight) IRL, so yeah
"I have to be a lawful good person in real life" lmao I never thought of it like that
Well you CAN be other alignments, but you also need to invest in soap on a rope if you end up in prison lol And that's the closest thing you have to Hell besides an afterlife.
decrees and paperwork coming from devils REALLY makes sense flavor wise, same with aeon making quick saving/loading canon lol
For my first playthrough (just recently finished) I took the Trickster Path. I really enjoyed all the jokes and this lighhearted way in the middle of the demon invasion. These funny spells like the summon annoyed wizard, greasly bear or almost greater invisibility had me laughing a lot too.
Although the end didnt feel quite like... well, the end. It still was so lighthearted. It just seemed like it would go on and on. Nothing was really serious in the whole game.
So yeah, its a great path, but wouldnt advise it to use for the first playthrough like I did.
Thank you for the heads up.
I made deskari kill himself with trickster path
Watching everyone of your videos gets me so hype to finally play this game when the commander's tent bug is fixed in 2025!
Hahaha! Ah yes, seeing a crpg release date is indeed x+4 years
>Doesn't like unserious giggly jokes
>Doesn't like goody characters
But Aivu is cute enough to make him pick the goody jokester path
Demon was my favorite running around hell being a menace feared by literal incarnations of sin was amazing
My personal favorite is the Trickster, of course it doesnt make sense if you play a paladin but if you approach the story as a gnome illusionist it makes for a great story experience
SPOILERS FOR GOLD DRAGON:
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You don't actually have to be a goodie two-shoes. While it IS a bit underwhelming, you do have the option of becoming corrupted by Dahak. It doesn't change your Alignment, unfortunately, but it DOES give you a bunch of Evil Gold Dragon choices, which is fun.
Great breakdown, love the Azata. It's rare to find a path focused on beauty, freedom, and artistic expression in a good vs evil rpg. One minor note, and I don't mean to criticise, but there appears to be a weird sound glitch on opening and closing of this video. Opening second or so sounds like it was cut from somewhere else, and the wonderful closing line I always appreciate got cut off at
"have an-". Not sure if it's a youtube glitch or something else. Otherwise, as always, great to hear your take :)
Did Angel for my first path and currently going Lich, gotta love yeeting + raising armies and companions (raising Staunton felt SO GOOD). Next up may be either true Aeon, Demon or Azata.
I loved everything about lich path! it was so cool, the fact that you can actually build up undead armies and party is super cool.
I hated that you cant do romance (even tho i see how its a thing), but i hate being locked out of ending to a side story. I cant see myself doing another evil playtrough, but i really wanted to see how camilla romance turns out, i loved how twisted and weird it was, but i wasnt willing to let go of my undead powers and become legend. so i just quit the game for 6 months and now i come back thinking of what to do in my brand new playtrough xD
Just so people know if you take levels in an full arcane casting class (sorcerer, wizard, witch, or arcanist) and opt to merge your class spell book with the lich mythic spellbook, you’ll keep your lich spells even if you opt to go legend later. The same thing is true for gold dragon. If you do this then dropping lich doesn’t feel like that severe of a loss
@@bendavidson1210 i mostly meant for rp reasons ^^
for me i did Swarm as first playthro and while i did enjoy it i had massive issues with not dying until i got the ability where you got immunities. pretty much anything that drains stats or stun/slow you will kill you until you get the second level of it or rank 9 mythic in this case but i had a lot of fun with it but i can also see why people would dislike it as it does remove a large portion of the content in terms of companion quests and such.
Edit: also i did lich until the Swarm and i found it very cool the way you could get some companions thro raising them as the dead but in general story wise it was a little weak.
Not sure I got the ranking. First you said you aren't ranking them power wise and then you said that azata is number 1, because of how powerful it is.
He said he is ranking them based on how much he likes them, power can be a factor in that but not the only factor. I've finished Azata, deep in act 5 as Angel, and act 4 as Lich, and while merged angel is definitely strongest IMO I like Azata the most.
He literally didn't use the word "powerful", you've got the video in front of you for God's sake, at least quote him or something, don't make things up for convenience cause that way you sound more right
He said he liked the mechanics, the dragon companion and party feats are strong and overall the Mythic path was good, on top of the fact that there was this thing that is cute(Idk what he was talking about)
A translation of what you said is that he ranked Azata as No 1 because it makes the game easier, which is far from true
I Absolutely love my current Mythic path (Lich) because of its mechanics: it makes me feel powerful, despite the fact that it's not the most powerful
I hope my last sentence helps you understand the difference
@@jekytck Don't get this worked up for youtube comments, but to address some of your points:
What's the deal with using the word powerful? It isn't in quotes so why are you making it out like I've quoted him? I just used the word to describe what I felt like his review of the path was. If I quoted everything that would prove my point I would've wrote an essay instead of leaving a simple comment to show my critique.
I rewatched the video and he said that the path is "ridiculous", followed by "the dragon companion is insane" and that "the superpowers are ridiculous" while saying that he isn't a fan of it being chaotic good and the story is wack at times. Outside of him stating that the dragon is cute, there is no indication that he likes it narratively instead of mechanically and the intro of the video gave me the impression that the ranking will be the other way around.
Maybe I'm wrong, but don't make it out like it's impossible to interpret it the way I did, while trying to sound like a total smart ass.
@@КирилКирилов-в1о First and foremost let me say this: you got worked up for a youtube comment but I want you to know that I appreciated it. You took the time to answer properly, and this is very important for me, thank you.
Second: The deal with the word "powerful" is in its definition and implication. More powerful = more easy, as consequence at least, in this case. "Ridiculous" frankly could mean anything and could just be referred in general, as a whole, to something amazing (for the experience itself or whatever you want). I can see why you thought what you thought, because I thought the same for a second but I gave Morti the benefit of the doubt and then I realized what he meant.
Third: I said to quote him if you wanted to say he was wrong(I know you didn't mean Exactly that), because, not only the devil is in the details, but also because it's way too convenient to make a point based on something inaccurate/wrong; you twist exactly the part that makes the reason to tip over to your side.
Fourth: Maybe *I'M wrong* but regardless: what you think that I'm trying to look like is your opinion and fair enough, but don't bullshit me with that, cause I'm not trying to sound like a "total smart ass". There would be no reason (that I know of) for that, especially given that you don't know me, and ... that's just my way of expressing myself, I have no idea on why that should be some sort of closing point, worthy of mention.
Fifth: I know I've been somewhat rude, I hope this did not cause any discomfort or anything like that, I just get a bit .. uh.. emotional when I see someone using these "tactics" (consciously or not) for the sake of being right. And I hope you don't take any offence in my attempt to accuse you of using "shameful tactics", that was just for the sake of giving an explanation, I'm no one important, hence such accusation should have no value for you, unless you agree with me.
Have a good day
I've found that the super late game paths come well...too late in the game. A path just beginning to show up by act 5 just is too late. I just finished a Swarm playthrough, and by the time it has all its juice, you are at game over, and what's worse it didn't feel all that more powerful. From a narrative side, these late game paths also have to be divergences of other paths you were already on, so its disruptive as well. I am really thinking the paths that take shape beginning in Act 3 are better for coming online that early in the game, which is a big deal. I haven't played all of them but so far my rankings as follows that I have played:
#1 Lich, mechanically the best choice for an arcane caster, and the chance to actually be a fully realized Lich in a game.
#2 Azata, powerful, narratively cool, AIVU OMG, and CG is my favorite alignment in table top, no downsides.
#3 Demon, strong powers, get to be evil, narratively intriguing (a demon leading the crusade).
#4 Angel, lends itself to divine casting and melee, really nothing for casters, and divine casting and melee are objectively weaker options than ranged or arcane casting. Goodie-goodie play is also a bit boring.
5# Swarm that walks, comes online way too late, requires very specific choices almost to the level of choices needed for apotheosis, and isn't mechanically so powerful that the payoff feels worth it. Lich and Azata both feel stronger, are less tedious, and come earlier in game. Disappointed.
Currently working on Gold Dragon and Aeon playthroughs. May try another for Devil if I am still have interest in the game after playing through it many times already.
GD is really good for demon if you want to go the redemption path
also pairs you thematically with arue wich is nice
I have to disagree. Swarm that walks is very powerful. I will admit, the first mythic level for Swarm is weak, but it is extremely powerful
the main utility of the swarm that walks path is that we have a descriptor to apply to certain people in the real world that captures their essence in a way other putdowns never could
@@alexsawicki1721 And if you're doing 'goodie goodie' play it's unlikely you'll have any issue with hurting your party, unlike the Lich, whose undead companion options aren't that great and you don't get the last one until basically the end of the game. So, doing damage to at least one party member is a legitimate concern for virtually the entire game.
I feel like a lot of these people haven't actually done these playthroughs and are simply looking at the wiki and making comparisons.
I bounced off Azata, hard. Every little silly thing is annoying to me about the path. Says more about my personality than the game, though.
I know a lot of people love the mythic path for various reasons, but the entire concept makes me want to gag. Maybe it's because I'm a hellknight & lawful evil fanboy.
Your list was almost the opposite of mine. For me, Lich, Trickster and Angel were the most enjoyable. Legend I would have placed at top if you could get it earlier. Same with Gold Dragon. They just come too late in the game for me to be invested in. But I do agree that Swarm That Walks is the worst. Losing all companions is insta NOPE territory for me.
First time player here.
I chose Aeon path simply due to finding the angel path and the demon path too biased when it came to the Wardstone choice. I am not even quite sure what kept me on this path, but i absolutely love it. The powers are excellent for my Deliverer Elf, the changes you make are noticed and discussed by anyone, even some minor NPCs. The path of an Aeon is hard, as even when you want to do what is right or what is most beneficial, you are tasked with setting straight the chaos of the world, and even denying the existence of said chaos altogether!
I love that I watch two different WotR youtubers and you both have completely opposite views on what is good and what is bad and you're both correct. The only thing you two agree on is that Demon is one of the best mythic paths in the game.
Azata is pretty much "what if you were a Disney Princess tough enough to murder demons" and I just can't argue with that aesthetic and thoroughly enjoyed that as my first run.
As for Trickster, while I agree the character you end up being is goofy, the certain council you end up interacting with was genuinely interesting to me.
i really want to like azata since it has aivu but its just to hippy for me
It's definitely the most 'saturday morning cartoon' of all the paths.
'We're gonna save the world with music and friendship!' yeah and that demon's about to rip your head off buddy.
Well, I missed out on the Azata, I failed to do the quest to get it, and it was entirely my fault.
Also I want to be evil.
Me: Time for another playthrough. Maybe Angel, or Lich, or...
Also me: But no cookiemaniac Dragon bestie. Time to praíse Desna some more.
there is always time to praise desna, otherwise aruwifu stays sad, cant have her sad now, can we ?
I was expecting azata to be first. I don't necesarrily hate it, but i feel that the theme doesn't fit my char. Sure, the dragon and superpowers are cool, but the wings have to be what i hate the most... Having a burly half-orc with a greataxe just doesn't fit with it... Bummer.
"A burly half-orc with a greataxe and butterfly wings" sounds hilarious! If I didn't like elves so much I would totally play that.
@@johnathanmartin1504 you could try an azata bloodrager (reformed fiend) tiefling. They look... Close enouth to elves eith their pointy ears. Just kidding vut its a nice concept.
Mythic path List based on my personal opinion,
1) Aeon
2) Trickster
3) Azata
4) Gold Dragon
5) Angel
6) Demon
7) Lich
8) Legend
9) Devil
10) Swarm that walks
For my first playthrough, I went with an arcane sorcerer with a scholar background, that went to the Worldwound for study (so kinda like Nenio). For this kind of character none of the mythic paths truly fit, IMO (unless they are so self obsessed to become a Lich). I went with Aeon, because my sorc was a follower of Nethys that emphasizes the balance of forces... but it quickly turned out, that Aeon isn't about finding the truth behind inner workings of the universe, but telling people "CONFESS YOUR SINS" and being hated by most of them, so I scrapped the game and went with a different character.
The Trickster is my favorite, this path is very very funny
Aivu, alone, makes Azata worth it.
But then, as if it couldn't possibly get better, the reformed succubus falls in love with you.
I call that an absolute win.
Kinda agree on Azata. I regret choosing Azata for my first playthrough, I want a decent story outside the main story, Azata imo is kinda meh.
Without spoiling so much, you're going to be literally become a Snow White, and a childish one.
But I would have a hard time in term of gameplay moving forward playing other paths, after playing Azata cause it is super strong and comfortable to use.
ngk azata makes me feel like a fey princess from the fey wild i can literally make flowers bloom at my feet and i get a cute purple dragon bestie? im sold
I love being a dragon, but storywise i felt like the gold dragon was rather lacking (wich is propably more due to the fact that you dont really get to be one for long. Hope the DLC expands upon that nicely.)
I just wish you had a choice of the dragon you could be, I personally don't vibe with gold dragons, I'm more of a Silver dragon type.
@@Geraduss afaik you can be a black dragon too, right?
@@Geraduss though i agree, a choice between every color woulda been awesome
@@edwardoliveira1748 Well Pathfinder came from D&D and in that lore you have the metallic and chromatic dragons and only the metallic are good, and a black dragon is chromatic aka evil. And that path is clearly made for a good character, and to accommodate evil ones well it would have to be even more complex.
@@Geraduss th-cam.com/video/3uWdkx4DpDA/w-d-xo.html might be a way around itXD
Azata is far and away my favorite mythic path. Not only are the abilities and powers (including Aivu) just stupid good, I actually really enjoy the storyline of Azata, even if it can be silly at times. Call me a softie but I just love the idea of standing for freedom, art, and resemption. Oh, and the Arueshalae romance with Azata is just **chef's kiss** perfection
The legend is hilarious because all demons literally lose their shit when they are defeated by an ordinary mortal. Just imagine you're an immortal entity from the depths of abyss, literally a monster from nightmares, and you get your knees broken by some random dude with a kukri
My first playthrough was Swarm because I initially thought the concept was interesting. But it LITERALLY just wound up being the “I hate everyone” school shooter path, and that’s really not an exaggeration. Aeon was absolutely amazing, and Devil is alright. I think you’ve convinced me to try out Azata though.
It's like playing Tyranids in Warhammer: there are no allies, only food.
What's the best mythic path for the new Assasin? It's my first playthrough I'm currently a demon slayer but I plan to prestiege as an assassin. What is the best mythic path? I thought about doing the demon mythic path but idk if I'll fight any demons on that path
Honestly Aivu is better written than most of companions in this game. Hard not to pick that path.
Yeah and I felt kinda like Eragon
Well its quite useless for casters until Wierd spell. Aivu is dead meat on core, tho i admit she is cute.
My only problem with Azata is Aivu having ''threatening presence'' and I can't figure out how to turn it off, so your entire party ends up chasing all the demons around the map because they can't save against the fear and all demons for some reason either have haste or at least 50 moment.
Yeah. Azata is really powerful. I build all my party members around teamwork feats, and maxing out crits. So one person on the map gets a crit and you just get chain attacks and dumpster a guy for like 300 damage.
Excuse me, 5:05 how do you get THAT look???? i chouse dragon path too, but my character doesen't have golden horns or TALE !!! How do you get that? is it some mode? ok, horns might be from teefling character... but the tale!!! how did you got it????? Please, answer !!
Have to finish the transformation and get rank 9
@@MortismalGaming oh thanks a lot!
@@MortismalGaming i thouhht its a bug
I loved lich so much that I may even consider finishing the game with the same path second time.
I am loving the trickster so far "If a character can catch an ally when they are unable to defend themselves effectively for his healing..." lol
"I have to be lawful good person in real life, "I'm not really interested in role playing as that in a game." - Mortismal
I couldn't agree more!
My favorite path is Demon, because, like you, I like to role-play evil characters and the story of this path is so satisfying! The biggest highlight of this path was the fact that it's the only one where you can f*ck up a certain annoying, pretentious, controlling demon!
Swarm is life xD. I am the swarm(bonus to those who get the line ;D). I did angel first though and it's pretty broken with casters like Oracle with alot or spell slots with abundant casting myrhic.
Also swarm that walks gets it's own story line, separate from the regular story so you dont actually miss out, you just get a different ending
Glad to see the love for Azata. I'm doing my first playthrough right now and I just got it. Aivu is already great as an extra body in combat and summoning a mastodon is incredibly satisfying.
Mechanically Angel with a merged spell book is one of the most powerful ones at least for my money.
These are all really cool, hope to try at least half some day
I dub thee Sir Mimic, the best crusader I have ever seen.
Demon was my first choice. Loved the storyline of it. My next playthrough will have to be Lich.
For my Unfair Solo run I went with Trickster into Legend (it allows you to keep the Trickster perks, so a lot of big crits and level 9 spells as cantrips). It's insane what you can do with 40 levels. In the end I had 120 AC, 100 touch AC, 50 in all saves, 60 attack, 50+ ranks in all skills ... all this without any buff spell, so I went with Magic Nullification as my mythic ability, which makes you totally immune to magic. It was mostly full easy mode. You get all your power at the beginning of act 5, it had some great dialog optiions (like dealing with Areshkagal) and all parties (angels, demons, devils, azata, lich) support you and also Aivu joins your crusade.
if you "have to be" lawful good in real life you might not actually be lawful good in real life
Understood, ranked to your preference(s). Objectively though, if one is willing to sacrifice everything (i.e: going it alone, chunks of the story, etc., etc.), Swarm (with clones), if it gets big enough, is the most powerful mythic path in the game, hands down as it currently sits till Owlcat tweaks, nerfs, etc.
Hmm, Azata is one of that paths I haven't tried yet, maybe I should try that next time? Any suggestions for a good class to go with Azata?
Just finished a demon kineticist playthrough, which was really powerful (but unlike Mortismal, I get uncomfortable when I try to be evil in games, lol :P ), and now I'm playing an angelic oracle with focus on glaive and cleave.
Devil to me is the most interesting because unlike demons they aren't just destroyers. Devils are sinister, and more sophisticated. Swarm doesn't appeal to me because the appeal of these games if you're not doing a custom party are the interactions with the characters you meet and having to lose those isn't fun. I would have loved a vampire lord path that comes with a small group of mortal soldiers that follow you as you are a lord of a small kingdom along with cool vampire powers and turning your party members into vampires with sun immunity. The final step in that would be becoming a Castlevania style vampire demon. If you like the idea of being a vampire lord like Dracula or similar it's the path for you. It includes summons of wolves and bat swarms. It's not as powerful as Lich but could be a second option in that path.
The gold dragon is cool but the lawful good alignment? Nope. Azata is another one that seems fun, and it probably is with the pet dragon but again you have to pick good. Trickster is just Thanos or a mild Sheogorath. Actually reminds me more of the Emperor Joker comic where Joker becomes a god and controls reality.
ALL mythic paths are great, stop badmouthing them!
Angels are WONDERFUL
Azatas are INSPIRING
Aeons are JUST
Liches are POWERFUL
Legends are CHADS
Swarms
Devils are IMPOSING
Tricksters are HILARIOUS
Ranking them by power is easy. legend > angel > lich > trickster > azata > devil > aeon > demon > gold dragon > swarm :)
One video I would really appreciate is a brief overview of each mythic path from a mechanical standpoint. A lot of videos/guides I have seen will tell me how to unlock them or a little about the fantasy (Azata = kicking but with the power of friendship Aeon = I AM THE LAW!) but none of them really tell me what advantages I get from a gameplay perspective or what classes each path synergises well with.
We have to be Lawfully Good in life?! Sht.... I might need to reroll.
I also like demon and my 1st choice because its not necessarily "evil" - its just a path that's more fuck this I'll do what I want when I want it... The game itself kinda gets overwhelming, a lot of rules to follow - also considering paths like Lich, Dragon, etc... having a lot of requirements. Demon is my first choice as well!
Demon was my first playthrough. Never finished it, but plan to go back eventually. Very fun
agreed. Aivu is the best. If this weren't a themed run (Demonslayer Ranger letting his hatred of demons corrupt him and lead him down the path of the devil) that I was doing currently, I'd be going Azata. Aivu reins supreme as the best companion, the best mount, and the cutest possible creature. I STILL might go Azata, depending on my dialogue choices. I'm starting them off as True-Neutral Atheist and seeing where my conversation choices lead as i keep their constructed personality in mind.
Not sure if others tried this but, I was playing through as my Paladin of Iomedae and the story felt very tailor made to play that and go from Angel to legend. Iomedae gives some really good ethical and logical reasoning as to why you should be the legend path which superbly fit with my Paladin of Iomedae I was playing.
I also named him Torm because... y'know...Iomedae and Torm are basically the same.
Will admit that the STW has me the most intrigued. Still need to start this game, but I but role-playing as someone with good intentions only to become the new big bad does seem appealing
good choice have a two cookies so you can share it with our big and cuddly dragon
It does feel like they made Swarm that Walks so hard to unlock in large part so that it wouldn't normally be anyone's first playthrough.
The random comments from Aivu are so awesome. Loving Azata
Cultist: "Why did you kill our bretheren?"
Me: "Aivu tell him why we killed his brerthren."
Aivu: "They stole our sweeties!"
5:57 "I like to play evil charatcters in games" - any favorite game with well build evil path ? My suggestion is NVN 2: Mask of Betrayer.
Tyranny
@@MortismalGaming It was good too.