SCIENTIST vs. REDPILL: MEN AGE LIKE WINE?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- Tense debate on when men actually peak in mate value. An excerpt from my conversation with Rich Cooper. I am an Oxford graduate GRS-funded researcher at the University of Melbourne, studying human mating behavior; Rich Cooper is an entrepreneur, author, and redpilled influencer. In this segment, I debate Rich on the concept of "female hypergamy," or women's purported tendency to date upwards. #science #dating #debate #podcast #agegap
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Sources on men's decline in attractiveness to younger women with age:
Ausubel | Popul Stud | 2022
Conroy-Beam & Buss | Ev Behav Sci | 2019
Wade | Sociological Images | 2015
Maestripieri et al. | Front Psychol | 2015
Rudder | Crown Publishing Group | 2014
Grøntvedt | J Soc, Ev, Cult Psych | 2013
Buunk et al. | Ev Hum Behav | 2001
Men age like wine is simply a reference to the fact that we tend to age better than women, hold our attractiveness longer. It’s a comparison between men/women. I believe women even lose collagen at a higher rate and have more problems with metabolism. As well as the fact that men can produce healthier offspring for much longer. Women start losing healthy eggs at age 35 or so. Miscarriages are 1 out of 2 for 40 year old women.
@@pewtercamaro *Cope* 😂
@@bishopbling4115 why would I need to cope when it’s the females looking older quicker bruh
@@pewtercamaro it not true ,i see more old women been beautiful then mens of the same age group ...Men dont make any efforts to look good at all .
@@pewtercamaro It’s true men keep collagen a bit more then women but it’s usually not enough till to point we’re women look pretty noticeably older then a Man of the same age. Women in general take better care of themselves then older men do so a good chunck of collagen loss can be prevented it also depends on genetics like if your East Asian vs British. In the end does looks really matter when one is more likly to die earlier because of there lack of taking care of one’s own health? When men get older they experience more health problems and are more likely to die from said things then a women. When it comes to having kids older men statistically don’t produced healthier kids that much longer even though they can possibly have kids longer then women. the older the man he’s more likely to give their wife a Miscarriage/diabetes with his sperm genes as they get older even when she’s young women herself. The risk of miscarriage increases with age, and women over 40 have about a 1 in 3 chance of experiencing one. Between the ages of 40 and 44, the risk is 34%, and after 45, it increases to 53%. However, these numbers don't mean that a miscarriage is inevitable, and 66% of pregnancies between the ages of 40 and 44 don't end in miscarriage.
As someone who was bothered by 40 something men on dating apps in my 20s, can confirm: most 20 something women do NOT want old men as romantic partners. I'd love for RP guys to stop telling divorces 40s men that they can and should be carrying on with young women who would rather be dating their sons.
I’ve met women who have dated older men and enjoy the wisdom, stories, personalities and money that come with it but don’t like the lack of loyalty or ED.
The black pill confirmed. 😋🤣😋😬😬😬
I would date my age and older personally, but one time I happened to match with a 40 year old when I was 23 years old on hinge, and he promptly told me I was too young for him lol. I disagreed (I thought I was mature then for some reason) but he just simply wasn’t interested, and now in hindsight I completely don’t blame him. Now as a 28 year old I am a completely different person than I was at 23. Worlds apart.
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v thats very true. As a 40 yr getting into dating i would probably not dimis thatch purely on abe. but the vibe and values might or might not match. that saud even if they do match there is the worry that it vibes, then 5 years later she is a different person and breacks things off. now im on the back end of 40 and i dont have time to waste!
thar fact also makes it scary for ppl that marry young. within the first years you are a completely different person and boom marriage bust
They don’t have sons though lol
Men don’t want to hear what women had to hear for centuries - you are most attractive when you are young. And that is a very short period of time. Money or status will attract someone alright but for the wrong reasons. Why is it so problematic to look for people same age? Someone who is also well preserved and will be a good partner?
Wrong reasons? Nah, as long as the man keeps her at arms length, as he should with all women regardless of age because let's be honest you're all looking to destroy men, should be find dating younger women. Breaking the spell of delusion (read: love/limerance) cuts the bull 💩out of dating and mating.
The bruised ego is showing 😂
"The average guy never peaks" but also "men age like fine wine" so which is it??
The caveat has always been that men who take care of themselves*...age like wine. The average man doesn't take care of himself, they eat like sh!t, don't exercise, stagnate in life, become bogged down by loads of responsibilities that leave them limited in their ability to pivot and engage in risky investments. A man who is older with his wealth increasing, with lots of time freedom and who takes care of his body unlocks a beauty level of life that isn't exactly available to women.
The average guy doesn’t go to the gym and eat healthy. Of course he will decline in his 30s and 40s.
Idk cuz nowadays the gym has become more mainstream and everyone is at the gym lately
Sounds logical
@@theworldisimmense And yet obesity is still so common. Most people are NOT going to the gym regularly.
You're stretching it bro, guys decline mostly after 25 if they don't take care of themselves.
LMFAOOOO his face when you were talking about genuine desire 😭😭😭
Whose?? Richard's???
@@eltigre001 yeah
@@yzma6142
Well, yeah... if he started to talk that women in their peak ( cca 23 y.o. ) would choose to mate with guys like him. 😂😂😂 He is aware that people would laugh at his face.
@@yzma6142well, yeah... if Richard starts claiming that 20 y.o. models are chasing guys like him he risks being laughed at his face in a live stream.
😂😂😂😂
I edited only for clarity; not trying to misrepresent the convo, but we went off on a couple of unrelated tangents in covering this topic. Full convo on Rich's channel, here: th-cam.com/video/Puydi_dMuyc/w-d-xo.html
Thanks a lot for your sharing. I personally think Red Pill ideology just create more unchosen men in the society since there isn't enough women in their 20s for men at all ages. Then the unchosen ones go online and sharing their bad experiences with women.
That old man is coping sooo hard!!
It’s almost sad really
He needs to fill his time with something other then deluding young men and blaming women for all the ills in the world. Surely he can find a hobby?
no, he just has more experience on the matter than you. Men do peak in their mid to late 30s, no matter what the young ideologised kid thinks.
I met my husband at university. He is 4 years older . In my early 20s , men in their 30s and 40s , were not appealing . I thought they were “ old . “/ they were at a different stage in their lives . Not relatable . I realize that age gap relationships are normal and have always existed . No problem with it . But this guest is correct “ generally speaking . “ being attracted to a older man’s wealth and status only , it’s like me saying “ I want your money so I guess I have to commit to you “ that’s an insult
I think it's a case of everybody cherry picking and then saying this is how it is in general. The truth is always in the middle. There are women that prefer older men and there are women that prefer men around their age.
@@osaji922 yes agreed Sir
Exactly. We young girls stadistically don't want men more than a decade older than us.
Explanation: Both men and women lose attractiveness with age unlike wine which gets better with time. I will explain why men loose attractiveness with age and why the older they are from the promedium 3 year gap (him 3 years older than her), the less probabilities they have of getting a prime year old girl, distributed in Gauss Bell, therefore the probabilities decline a lot every year, the decline is not even proporcional , it's much faster.
Statistically, we early twenties girls have a preference for boys from 0 to 5 years older than us. The proof is that the average age difference is 3 years in Spain, Turkey, United States distributed in a Gauss Bell in which +10 year gaps are very rare... (The exception is, for example, the average age difference of 5 years in undeveloped countries such as Morocco, Algeria, but most of the viewers of these channels are from western countries...).
Therefore when redpillers say that 30 year old women cannot compete with 20 year old women is true in the sense that they are less attractive but it is lie because in real life there isn't that competition because we prime year old girls have a preference for boys 0-5 older than us. Many redpillars love to exaggerate a truth like this (that there is a 3 year age difference in Gauss Bell), exaggerating it to the point of turning it into a lie (by making up that on a day-to-day basis, twenty-somethings are attracted to guys who are more than a decade older than us).
They bully 30-year-old women by saying things like a 36-year-old man is going to date a 20-year-old girl as if she was interested in him. the one distributed as a Gaussian bell where age gaps of +10 years are very rare) a 30 year old woman is waaay more likely to attract, say, a 34 year old man than he is to attract the girl 23 years old 🤣🤣
If the vast majority of prime year old girls statistically choose guys 0-5 years older than us despite the fact that thirty-somethings have more money, then, those guys 0-5 years older than us must have something: greater beauty than the thirtysomethings. There is no age in men in which he will have more stadistic probabilities for getting a 20 year old girl than in his 23. It does not make sense to call 35 year as most attractive age for men when the vast majority of early twenties girls prefer boys 0-5 older than her.
What men do have is an advantage, they depend on three things: physique+personality+money, while she depends on her physique+personality, for which the age difference increases over time (in forties there is a greater age difference than in thirty-year-olds and in turn more than in twenties) but neither can a man increase the age difference too much because the distribution is a Gaussian bell and still decline in orobabilities with prime year old Girls.
The exceptions are famous people that are in the extremes of the Gauss Bell, because famous means being known by at least 100 000 people, therefore it is being 1 of every 100 000 they are not representative behaviours of society , that are the topic of this redpill channels.
Statistics of the civil registry and of the surveys, with also a graphic representation where the Gaussian Bell can be seen:
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@@saramsfi What makes men attractive is different than what makes women attractive. Typically, for men, it's not so much about looks compared to women. For men, it's about resources and stability. That's something that most men become or get later in life which is why some women go for older men.
@@osaji922 understood . But remember marrying or a LTR based on all those external things likely won’t last . Eg I want your money so I guess I have to commit to you . I want your youth and looks , which can vary over time .
Compatibility physically emotionally , intellectually are all important , but to have a purposeful or “ soulful “ connection that’s what lasts
I will also say if you marry a 21 year old , expect that she’s going to significantly change . You lack confidence and who you are at that age . You really change by late 20s . You have so much more as you get older mentally . Just to be prepared. If you grow together it’s a plus , if you want her to stay the same , it’s a minus for you
Seriously?? Most people want to date somebody that is close to their age. What does young women in their 20s have common with late 30s and 40s year old men??? Do red pill men seriously think women will start falling into them once they are turn to that ages. If you are having difficult time in 20s to find women than how is 30s and 40s different? Even I see plenty of men who are not aging well. Even when I was in my early 20s nobody wanted to date somebody that reminds them of their dad.
another clueless comment from a clueless individual.
It's always all these ifs: if he takes care of himself, if he goes to the gym, if he eats healthy, if he has a good job.....the average guy does not do those things. It makes me laugh sometimes listening to them talk.
Even if they do go to gum, eat healthy and whatever, it still doesn't change a thing.
Attraction mostly comes from face and height and youth.
None of these "lifestyle" changes would change that, unless his good looking but overweight.
They are one massive cope-ium
I think men look great when they work out etc, but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see that young girls marry other young boys and those in their social circles etc, it’s just what humans do. So no need to delude yourself into thinking a 23 year old pretty doesn’t-know-much-about life young girl is going to marry a 37 year old man. She’s going to marry another young man her age. It’s just the way the world works
And the biggest if: If he was decent looking to begin with. When men start coping with Brad Pitt or Clooney...what did they look like when they were younger?
none of that shit even matters. when you age so does everybody else and the attractive people in your age range fall off one by one. You're potential dating pool shrinks. Sure if you're 40 and jacked and dress well etc you can have the pick of the litter but you dont want some 250 pound karen a truck tire for a neck.
At age 26/27 I was extremely fit, 6ft tall, broad shoulders, athletic physique, full head of hair with a career that had recently taken off.
No attention from women.
Early 30s let myself go a little.
Mid 30s to 40 I got into the best shape of my life. Muscular, still tall, still athletic , still got all my hair, but now I speak languages, own properties, well traveled, career going well and much more comfortable in my skin.
Still no attention from women.
Interactions are failures. Dating scene proves pointless. Rejection after rejection.
Here's the red pill : if you're unattractive in your 20s, nothing changes in your 30s and 40s except it gets worse.
Bro we had a same story but ,you have to go the Gym work on yourself ,you have to work hard to get the car collection ,mark my words ,Not a Car but car collection ,and you must have huge number of insta followers ,the truth is you must be consistent untill you die , it's not having 6 figure salary ,not we must earn 8 figure salary ,so keep working hard I guess you are in ur 40s ,so just Make the Male Advantage ,I was single in my 20s and 30s I changed my life by working had ,waking up morning 3 Am , if I can do it ,u can do it too , keep up the Hard work .
Then go get married which will give you confidence with women because you already have one. Marriage is honestly better for men that dating is (more sex, usually)
@@unkownnameless2699 as I understand it, you have to be able to get a date before you can get married.
That is quite extreme are you autistic or sub 5 facially?
You basically lacked the face bro
I LOVE THIS! Richard Cooper is exactly like a feminist. When presented with hard data, he responds with, “But, I didn’t have this experience”.
This old man's words are total bullsh. Youth values youth. Only women who seek money will go with an old man in 30's.
So the only time young women want these older guys is when they’re settling and or wanting money from them 😂 the cope is real for these dudes
2 videos in, and this channel shows huge potential already. Great work man!
I just found him too. We really need a counter balance and honest rebuttal to the Red Pill content.
@eon001 yep, 100%. Trying to do half as well on my side
When I was in my 20s my dating range was usually 3 years younger or 3 years older. My current partner is 7 years older than I am and I was pushing it for him at 29.
It's true, I'm not generally attracted to older men, and some of the older men are just as immature as some young men. Some of them, regardless of age, have the same mentality. It's true, when I was 20, there was only one exception and most men past 30 do not fit in that exception. The only people who I'd say age well are those who take care of themselves and most redpill guys just don't - They think the world owes them something, so they're less likely to want to improve.
Whatever, old woman
If this is Rich peek, then I can see why he’s red pilled 🤣🤣🤣
I’ve been looking for someone like you since the red pill movement
Seriously I wish murphy came about 3 years ago ❣️ red-pill movement didn’t last very long did it
Redpill shows things that make you uncomfortable and go against your beliefs, that's why you needed someone like Murphy to tell you what you want to hear, it's called confirmation bias
@@DanielGarcia-hr3yxIt’s quite the opposite Murphy is showing you uncomfortable truths the fact that what young women actual desire is to be with a young attractive man similar in age they do not want old men lol that’s age coping most of them are filtering out men over 30 let alone men in their late 30s, that’s how biology works naturally.
@@DanielGarcia-hr3yxexcept the red pill doesn’t tell any uncomfortable truths, it tells flat out lies to satisfy men’s revenge fantasies.
Even back then, 20s has always been the peak for men *and* women. In 1900, the average age of marriage for men and women was 26 and 22. In 1800, it was 27 and 23. Statistically, the happiest marriages have the smallest age gaps, and the average age gap is 3.5 (median is 1-2).
The whole idea that “women age like milk, men age like wine” is ridiculous because just look at the celebrities most popular with young women. Justin Bieber, Leonardo DiCaprio, and when these men age, they complain about how much uglier they get.
Yes, you might get 18 year old girlfriends if you are a rich older man, but they aren’t attracted to you. They are using you for your money, and your relationship is ingenuine. That’s why “alpha males” like Andrew Tate are still lonely. None of the women around him actually respect him, they are there to get paid. Do you like your boss at your job just because he pays you?
The funniest thing about this all, is you pretend single women are these unhappy vultures while men are unbothered chads, meanwhile 70% of single women above 40 are happy not in a relationship and only 40% of single men above 40 are.
@@user-lt1jd1ye3vred pill is here to stay, women will die bitter single if you cannot stop your delusional thinking....
Women want money without it you will not stay with your 20 something bf who is broke
They only peak financially .money is a human construct.
20s is the only time when you have the options
what about men like weston boucher etc??
@@bennybenny7382these are rare exceptions, and it’s essentially the same as older women who mention celebrities like Emma Watson, Taylor Swift, or Margot Robbie. In reality, this is the 1%, so use your 20s the best you can.
"Men age like fine wine" mostly refers to the larger fertility window men have(which realistically is around a decade larger, 35 vs 45 or 40 vs 50) and things that accumulate with age like: becoming more socially competent(from balls, charisma, social skills to social circle/network), gaining more status and having more money. When it comes to LTR/marriage, women on average value all those things highly. Men on average don't value those things highly in a woman and that's just a fact. In theory, a man who rises to the top can compensate to a large degree for the loss of physical attractiveness if he overachieves and overdelivers in other aspects(within reason of course, at 70 for example the loss of physical attractiveness can't be compensated even if you're a famous billionaire, unless we're talking purely transactional relationships). The same doesn't apply to women. That's pretty much the difference.
Noone is saying that men get more physically attractive with age. On average a 25 year old dude is hotter than a 35 year old dude, who in turn is hotter than a 45 year old dude.
Men and women aren't playing the same game when it comes to mating/dating. Being a tall man is a significant advantage. Being a tall woman is usually a disadvantage, or at best it's more of a neutral position. Being a shy and socially awkward man is a huge disadvantage. Being a shy and socially awkward woman is rarely a serious disadvantage, it's usually more of a neutral trait, or in some cases even an advantageous trait, meaning the woman has high inhibitions and is less likely to be poached by other men.
There are other differences of course as well. For example, a 35 year old man who has money will generally be significantly more willing to fully support financially a broke 25 year old hot girl who'll stay at home and raise their kids compared to a 35 year old woman who has money willingly supporting financially a 25 year old broke hot dude who'll stay at home and raise their kids.
Men and women are different, that's ultimately my point. And men don't generally want a carbon copy of themselves, they want a woman who works well synergetically with them. It is what it is.
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Yea we get it but it’s still wrong. Most men do not become very successful or maintain even baseline good looks into their 40s.
So it doesn’t make sense to say that men (in general) age like fine wine. They don’t. Some men can age well maintain their looks and get successful but that’s not most men.
Probably the guys who are doing well in their 40s were also doing well in their 20s. We all know tall attractive men who attract lots of women in college for instance you think those men just stop existing at age 40? If a man is average amongst his peers at age 24 he will likely remain average amongst his peers at 40, like he’s not gonna turn into a 6ft tall handsome man at 38 but he’ll still be competing with a 38 year old 6ft tall man. You catch my drift? There will still be attractive men the same age as him that he has to compete with.
True, a 35 year old man might be able to provide for a 25 year old women...the issue is, a 25 year old woman is not usually checking for a 35 year old man...unless he's a sugar daddy...plus a 25 year old woman doesn't want to stay home all day and raise kids all day...
@@yveje9720 I don't think you get the point I was trying to make. Men, assuming they have acquired a high level of status and money, will leverage those things in order to date women they could otherwise not date. There will always be attractive women who will compromise on looks for success/money when it comes to longterm relationships and marriage. Now you might say those women will only be with them for the money etc. which is a fair point, but ultimately those men will be sexually and reproductively successfuly. Of course if he doesn't reach a good level of success, he won't be able to do it, but I've already mentioned that in my first comment.
@@mrdouche9172 I do get the point you missed mine. I acknowledged that men can acquire wealth and status and use that to attract women. My point though was that MOST men will not do this. The metric is relative, that means a man has to be better than his peers, by definition only a small portion of men will ever be more successful than average. Thus it doesn’t make sense to say “men age like fine wine”. Most men don’t become very successful and are not very attractive, most men become less physically attractive with age (balding, weight gain, wrinkles, lower muscle mass caused by decreasing testosterone etc…). Most men just age and are average earners and have average success some are even below average. Why use the extraordinary case to represent the whole? Most older men aren’t attractive to younger women, and don’t have the wealth and success to compensate for that.
I think the men who insist their peak is 40s 50s etc are really just projecting their own desire for younger women onto the younger women. RP men love to project in general so this isn’t surprising.
I’m 32 if I were single and dating 40 would be my cut off for sure. I think younger women choose younger men because men age too! Imagine you are 22 and get with a man who is 42 when you are 32 he’ll be 52! I’m just sayin for a long term relationship better for him to be closer in age. If it’s just a hook up idk still not seeing why a young woman needs to go up to 40 for a hookup? Like that’s easy to get with a young guy who is more attractive physically
Thus new guy speaks the truth. Sorry red pill oldies. Most 23 year old gals are just not that into you.
I mean obciously, especialy if u think about Thomassi and Cooper(theyre in 40s and 50s I believe). They won't be desirable for 23yo unless they play suggar daddy game.
Online the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
@@Vader007.That doesn't mean 50yo men get messages from 23yo women, the study doesn't say that. Lol Look at data, majority of women in their early 20s filter out men in their 30s, let alone 50yo men.
The saddest thing here is the horrendous fact that most men were lied to about mating and dating. If they knew how tough things are, they'd start putting in effort early. I realized how things work waaaayyy too late in life. 😑
I love that you don’t “stand up for women.” I love that you are objective as any one could be. It’s hard not having a passionate bias one way or another… you’re exceptionally skilled my friend
You are an amazing man Macken. Thank you for sticking up for women. I totally agree with you, when I was 21 I only looked for men in their 20s.
Where are they now?😂😂
@@robertghazarian3075 I will tell where they aren't: They are not being attractive to the ones of us who are in our early twenties nowadays, that's for sure🤣.
Men are ugIier at 35 than at 25 too. This is the reaosn why the oIder men are compared to the promedium 2.5 yeargap distrubted in GausBell, the least probabilities they have of getting a prime-year old girl who despite having the geatest power to choose a man of any age, still chooses boys 2,5 years okder the most.
Although 30yo men have more economic stabilitiy they have less probabilities. The reason is ugliness
You would so never bang him.
He's not sticking up for women. He's just spitting out facts.
"Stop the cap" - Fresh & Fit
They guy on the right is delusional
You are projecting
He’s the only one living in reality, which is why he’s winning the argument
“The guy on the right is delusional” says the balding old man that has no luck with women and is lying to himself. But don’t worry!! Let’s see where you are 10 years from now. You’ll surely score all the hot young chicks, right? There’s a reason women only talk about young Leonardo DiCaprio.
The whole point for men is to stay fit, healthy and wealthy. They have common ground.
Two men are talking:
- imagine: I am 70 years old and I had a child with a 20-year-old girl. CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT???!!!
- YES, AMAZING! ! But, imagine this: I'm going into the forest with a rifle. A bear jumps out in front of me! I shoot once: nothing! I shoot the 2nd time- nothing. I shoot the bear 3-4 times, still nothing! When suddenly one more shot and the bear drops dead! Imagine that!!!
- well, that's easy to explain: someone else shot. And, probably, with a better rifle and ammunition!
- Well yes! That's what I'm telling you, too!!!
Wanting an older man for his money is not the same as genuine desire...
There is running joke from Bosnia and Herzgovina about DNA testing. There it is nam"ed #DNK# testing and people say that DNK stands for "Da Nije Komšijino" (Could it be neighbor's?!!!) Apparently, it is eternal theme in cases when a guy that is "successful" (read:$ucce$$ful) marries a woman young enough to be his daughter. And then he starts to notice how kid does not look like him at all. Also , private detectives- same case. That is not some glamorous , lucrative profession. Mostly is the case when some rich guy hires you to track his young , trophy wife to check if she is fooling around.
Father Time waits for no one.
Guys who look good when they are younger can age well because of genetics, i.e. Cillian Murphy, Mads Mikkelsen, etc.
He asked about average man. Then pointed to the men that young women select on dating apps. Those are not average men. Those are the top 5 percenters. Them? Their peak is their early to late 20s. For the average man? 35 to 50
lol bro. You're average 40 year old isn't pulling baddies. Get real
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These days? Yeah. But any man who takes care of himself will be at his best in his thirties and forties.
It's genetically blessed, sports obsessed(and often drug abusing) men who peak in their teens and twenties.
@@nonsensicalrants1703 Cope harder
@@GeneT2323 you're talking to somebody who peaked in his teens and twenties.
How does this disprove what he said? It’s proving his point.
Kendrick needs to write a diss track against this old dude. Talmbout "genuine intimacy" with girls in their 20s. Sir, you're supposed to be a humble wise grandpa, not try to steal my date. Rich not like us 😤
His wife must be 0 years old 😂
Wtf😂😂😂😂
Just have a direct debate with these Red-Pill guys as you call them
Fresh&Fit can be civil when they wanna debate but if you think that they are too harsh for you, you can debate with Rollo Tomassi and Michael Sartain, im sure they can respond you with studies and statistics too
Sorry but calling them out and mocking their statements without debating them directly just makes you look like a simp
I asked Rollo to debate multiple times, no interest.
Murphy’s too smart for them, they are scared
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v some of the things that Red Pillers have to say is correct too
I don't entirely remember the content of the video but i remember bro said "Your best days are past when you were in your 20's"
In some cases he's correct and in some cases he's not
Yes, if i am a fat basement living video game player loser that watches Pornography and STAY in that way, things are not going to change for me when i'm 30 or 40 Years old, i just transform from a 20Year old fat ugly loser with no job to a 40Year old loser with no job
But "IF" men do the work they can become more attractive in their 30's and 40's mors than when they were in their 20's, by reading books, learning multiple skills that makes money for them, making tons of money, going to gym and get shreded and fit, do a little bit better haircut and skincare routine, becomes more social and .... list goes on, then these things will make them so much more attractive to women, and in THAT CASE they age like fine wine
I mean c'mon even Macken is in his 30's, does he look ugly to you? No, cuz he stays fit, has a good haircut, good skincare routine and he is rich (idk pesonally cuz i don't know him😂), he wouldn't be like that if he didn't take care of himself
Or even tom hardy, tom cruise, leo dicaprio, brad pitt, david beckham and etc, aren't they attractive to you? They literally aged like fine wine and they can hit on most 20Yo girls easily if they want to (in sexual marketplace context), I ain't saying that all of us can be like them but if we do the work and get ourselves to a certain level then yeah we can age like fine wine.
That's their argument, and it's pretty much logical for me.
The value that the best looking young man that the 23 year old ladies are selecting for is one aspect... in his looks. When you think of a valuable man, you think of alot of different aspects as Rich was pointing out.
Macken, you applied maximum sexual place value in women, but not to men, which is latter in life. In that sense, its not a cope, its a change in metrics your applying.
It is cope, money can't get you genuine desire, only betabuxxing
@@the_kekromancer9779 that's not what I said, wasn't eluding to that, nor defending that as my exact position.
I did say it was the full systems of value that's normally gained when older that was not equally applied in his example against it "getting better for men later".
@@the_kekromancer9779 And looks cannot get you respect. Take the guy in the video, he is a total fruitcake. These things all work hand in hand and it is best to be well-rounded.
Women don't see your "value", they see your face. Then if they like what they see they look at your groin.
@@the_kekromancer9779 What's the point of... "genuine desire" when most relationships based on it fail anyways? Also, who are you to fairly assess the quality of a betabuxers relationships when you can't even afford to buy into the lifestyle? You aren't qualified to make the statement really, one would have to look to the betabuxers themselves and see if they enjoy the relationships they build. And, once you do that you'll realize that that betabuxing is a spectrum and one form is not equivalent to another.
This is 100% true. Also, aging and aging out of your prime is not a bad thing. I had so many suitors in my 20’s that it was really hard for me to settle down and pick someone. I remember a guy friend telling me that I wouldn’t meet my partner until my mid thirties bc it was just too hard to date me. That I actually needed age. I was 23 at the time and thought that was insane. Here I am mid- 30’s and it could not have been truer. I have never been more happy in relationships or my dating life than I am now. I actually needed to age out of my prime to attract the right people.
Beautifully said
The whole premise of your assertion is that man’s attractiveness is driven by physical attractiveness on a scale, much more large than it actually is.
He basically said that a man who has a lot to bring to the table in his 30s /40s is more likely to be desirable.
But if you're a man in your 30s and 40s with still nothing to bring to the table you're even less attractive than the one in his 20s that still has time to build.
Sexual attraction cannot be formed by money or achievements im so sorry.
Wanting money ≠ loving someone. This shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp. A young woman with an older man-who she cannot find physically attractive or relatable-will only see him as her employer. There’s no respect, it’s all exchange. But if you just want sex in a relationship, go ahead, you’ll peak if you somehow manage to join the 1% of men that are rich.
@@yzma6142 of course it can. You don’t understand the mind of a woman.
@@yzma6142RP men don't get this, if money was what makes women wet, Bezoz and Musk would be the world's greatest sex symbols, but there are not. Money can't buy genuine desire, sorry.
Gotta agree with Macken Murphy, every dude being like oh I am going to get the hot 20 something year old when I am 36, no offense but if I found out you were 36 anywhere before I was like 28-29 I would gage, and picture a grandpa brain wise. A very small portion of 20 year olds is like yeah I want a daddy and generally they are not a 10/10 girl. ( note: I also know so many lonely and confused 40 some year old men who may never find a mate now because they believe garbage like this and either think they are still going to get a victoria secret goddess or they've all but given up trying to meet someone because they seemed to think women were just going to rain out of the sky when they were in their late 30's ( I work in the oilfield as an electrician with an average of 100 male crewmates so I get a general look into their personal lives when I spend a day training them on something and talking to them )).
36 male is already old for 28-29 women??
Yes. 20 something women are in very different stages of life than 30 somethings.
I suspect the "Daddy" thing is more about fantasy than actually wanting to date much older men.
@@mirandawhittaker8481 its not a healthy dynamic for a relationship. its actually very creepy and women should be afraid to have kids w that person.
@@pinoysarisari7374 Only in Anglo and Nordic countries. But I would say 10+ years is where it becomes an issue. Sub 10 years women will cope with it if you are good enough, those who don't you don't want anyway because being too rigid is going to be problematic in daily life later on. This cookie-cutter mentality will make your life hell. In general I would recommend to cast aside anything from Anglo-(American) and Nordic countries, these women have basically no values that match with a more conservative man. My gf is is more than 7, almost 8 years younger; I am soon 30. For full disclosure I am tall, have my hair, look younger and am financially successful but I also have a child from a previous relationship. I don't feel like I pushed my hypergamy to the limit but I am satisfied so getting greedy would mean becoming my own enemy.
This rich cooper guy is having a hard time dealing with reality that Macken Murphy is showing him.
I mean its not soo much about calendar age but biological age, if you have good genetics (warrior/dom skull and great bone density, great skin, no balding), agepill will afect you alot less. however I would say male prime is from 24-32 bcs in your mid 20s you get rid of baby-fat and you look more chisseled. Its kidna ridiculous to say you peak in 40s(let alone 50s) as a man.
I think there is no one size fits all answer here and genetics play a role. I have personally met men in their early twenties that look around late thirties or even 40. But then you get some men who did actually take care of themselves and actually did age better Kevin Creekman, khalil rafati, gwily mcpugh are examples of this.
You are right about biological age, but from my experience, when they come to know your chronological age that puts them off still
@@bennybenny7382 bro im 27 and look like 17, no girl even takes me seriously because i look too young
The equation is somewhat complex and I think it's different over history, which is a problem because the studies are all recent, preferences by women appear to be tied to their age range, though some studies suggest that physical desirability peaks at 30 for men, this constant demand by women for partners their age somewhat creates areas where demand and competition for men is more favorable for men than women, so yes a hard average would be that overall, women in their early 20s do have high marketplace value, but it misses quite a bit of other parts of the distribution and this a is a more complex question than simply saying men peak in their early 20s, my personal experience was to get more attention as I got older towards age 30 but maybe I just look younger than typical and that's just a single case
Ancient times you have resources you fuck a lot of women. Simple. So this thing about red pill blue pill is bull shit. Work on oneself, build an empire. Women will come
It is hard to ignore how rude you are.
I've watched another piece of Macken Murphy/RP content. I think what's happening is that Murphy comes from a subculture that puts him fundamentally at odds with the red pill, and since he works in the datacentric psych sphere, he tries to leverage that to construct arguments against RP, but they generally end up being pretty forced and missing the point, frequently refuting a claim that no one is making.
This is just a special case of a general observation that if someone passionately believes something but every argument they produce is kind of so-so, they probably believe that thing for some totally different reason that they're not being straightforward about and might not even themselves be aware of.
pretty spot on he is and lives in a bubble
and also very young
when he has more experience
he will start to understand red pill much better , the young ones are always liberal and turn into conservatives later
You guys simply just can’t accept the cold truth lol Macken is just pointing out the truth the cold reality that young women in their 20s aren’t interested in much older men no matter how you try and say they are. You could argue that the redpill guys aren’t “promising anything” but at the end of the day these grifters tell a story and sell copium to lonely desperate men so these guys will buy their courses, it’s all about being a good salesmen, they don’t actual care about men, they are just making profits off of them.
He is refuting claims that all the RPers are making
When Macken says he prefers the term mate value versus sexual marketplace value, I think he perceives that as a nicer term. However, if you think about it, sexual marketplace value is less all-encompassing than mate value. Mate value peaking in 20s for women implies that their entire lifelong value as a mate peaks in their 20s. Sexual marketplace value implies your sexual attractiveness peaks in your 20s. Mate value as described here is a way worse judgment of women lol.
As to genuine burning desire, that is not about the man, that is about the woman and what she finds attractive. Macken got that backwards in how he worded it. Sure, it's not about Rich's single set of experiences, but it's also not just about Tinder data. Approaching women in person has vastly different results from online dating apps. I've known plenty of men and women that met in-person with a 5-10 year age gap, man being older. Heck, my girlfriend now is 26, I'm 35. We met in person.
Maken in right. Most women refuse to date older than 5 years up.
Just because you got a young one doesn't mean most men will. My husband is 13 years older but that doesn't mean most women will do what I did. Heck My friends were even like yuck when they found out i was dating him.
Maybe im just lucky, in in my late 30s but im getting attention from women in all age groups, some are to young for me to have anything in common, so ill just ignore them. Theres a difference between wanting to hook up vs being in a LTR. People tend to be closer to age when being in a LTR. Theres always exceptions, so it's not always a rule.
Its not a matter of exception, if you are getting attention from them thats because you look younger(biological age) and you are also attractive, simple as that, so much so that if they knew your actual age that would change things
Damn he kinda right. When I was 22 on dating apps max for me was 27. I stopped the apps for a few years went back on around 27 and forgot to filter for age. Let me tell you I had 60 year olds and 22 year olds in my inbox. It was insane. I had to quickly filter down at which point my max was 35 and min was couple years younger. Covid and some interesting flings later I met my current partner at 29 and he was 28. He’s 1.5 years younger than me. We’ve been going for over 2 years hope to get married in the near future
Anyone whose looks are dependent on their bone structure will likely age well (so masculine looking men, women with defined cheekbones and jawlines etc)
And anyone whose looks are dependent on soft features (hair, skin, etc) will likely age poorly (cute looking women, prettyboys, gay people call that "twink death" lol)
Generally speaking, if you have good bone structure, you keep your hair, and you stay lean throughout your life you're going to be pretty good looking until you're VERY old. The issue is most people aren't able to do all of those things throughout their entire lives.
Anyway hypergamy isn't real, every legitimate study on this proves that the VAST majority of people date within their own brackets on EVERYTHING, from looks to income, even to RACE. Poor women date poor men, rich women date rich men, you can't base life on miami onlyfans girls, they are not representative of the gen pop, but even they don't date up anywhere near as much as redpill guys claim, the whole thing is largely a nihilistic masturbatory fantasy from guys with minimal real world experience and minimal statistical knowledge.
Lots of issues with this. Hypergamy is very real. It’s the reason why there are so many lonely young men and women. Don’t forget which demographic comprises the majority of the dating market…it’s people in their 20’s and 30’s. The boomers, people who married similar people in their demographic, skew the data. We are talking about the present and future, not people who will be dead in 10-20 years. Only fans girls and the views expressed by them are very common and I would even say the norm. And don’t forget about “setting”. When girls can’t keep the chad they “settle” for the beta bucks provider to take care of them. A beta that’s often closer to their level. Only to divorce him years later. So on paper, the data looks like women aren’t hypergamous. Until you look at the divorce data, the single mother data, and the lonely virgin incel data. Put them together…and then you have the real and ugly picture.
OPs comment straight facts
" hypergamy isn't real" LOOOOOOL
@@DanielGarcia-hr3yxBecause it isn’t as statistics will tell you that. Look at the average age of marriage and average age gaps, and stop projecting your fantasies on the 1% of rich men who get young brides that use them for their money.
@@pewtercamarowhen you say only fans girls are the norms, have you actually talked to women outside the internet? Because all the women and men where I live (in the UNITED STATES) are normal. Nobody is having these stupid gender wars or lying to themselves about their value. The reason there are lonely young men and women is because of (1) internet addiction/staying inside. (2) standards are higher than ever.
And if we do look at the stats, relationships with closer age gaps are less likely to divorce and report the most satisfaction. Relationships rely on relatability, this has stood true since the beginning of time. Most people with high standards don’t even have high standards, because once they meet someone they love, they realize most the standards they have don’t apply to them-and they don’t care. It’s really charisma and looks before everything else.
I'm 42 and I can say most men don't age like fine wine, the discipline I need to have just to be fit with the diet and exercise routine is insane compared to when I was 32. So the answer is NO, most men don't age like fine wine. And to be honest I don't understand men who want to date 20 something old women that could be their daughters. Accept the reality and date women in their 30s and that's if you are lucky enough to be fairly good looking, fit, above average height and successful. The amount of nonsense I hear from my friends is unbearable, men are also delulu, women are attracted to attractive men. Not to beer belly gray haired or bald broke middle aged men.
"Date women in their 30s and that's if you are lucky enough to be fairly good looking, fit, above average height and successful" Worst advice for men, it's preferable to stay single than to date a woman over 30 years old
@@DanielGarcia-hr3yx I'm not giving advice, I'm giving reality check for men in late 30's and early 40's. It is what it is. If you want to stay single forever sure, I don't care.
Men do age like fine wine means men age slower(physycally) than women plus getting a little bit older adds to their attractivness in term of personality(character) ,male physycal peak attractivness might be age 25-35 but the difference compared to women is that men if they take care of themselves might not be too far from their peak examples are George clooney,Johny Depp,Richard Gere all the hollywood stars that are over 35 which peak women find super attractive not only because of media but because they actually do...Aside of the physycal women will always prefer older though but age differences over 10 years for dating are kinda absurd to me, different matturity levels to be honest...
Old male celebrities have money, if those guys were broke on a dating app they'd get no attention.
@@Domomomo17 And if women didn't wear make up they'd get far less attention. What is your point?
About as much older female celebrities get this kind of attention as well, though. That doesn’t change the facts in real life. Most celebrities are genetically blessed and their looks can’t be achieved through hard work. Even then, you constantly see women saying they were “born in the wrong time”, making compilations of the younger versions of these men (because they were still more desirable in their youth).
You ended on a wrong note: "the best looking young women are interested in the best looking young men".
Yes, in a utopic world, the best of men would be when they're young and millionaires. So, this "best" of men is made of age + wealth/status. But that's almost never the case. While men can be at their best, in their younger years, in regards to their looks, they can't be at their best, in their younger years, in what regards the wealth/status. Men reach a high wealth/status in their late 30s and early 40s.
With that being said, women have to determine the the mean value of the men's value. That's age + wealth/status. If you average between the looks at yuong age(age 25) and wealth/status at a later age (age 45), then you end up with a mean value of around 35 of age when men reach the perfect balance between looks and wealth/status. And women tend to settle for this compromise.
In the case of women, their value is not given by their age + wealth/status. In theri case, the value comes strictly from the age/looks. and that peaks for them around 25 years old, at max.
i mean its true to say that a man with money status has high dating value. but it doesnt change the fact that average age gaps in relationship are 2 years. so most 35 year old man date 33 year old wman. and 23 year old wmen date 25 year old men. because as i said, the average age gap is 2 years. so it seems like young wmen prefer looks youth before money. or else you would see many 23 year old wmen with 35 year old men, but most likely you will see 23 year old wmen with 25 year old men. thats what the statistics show us
@@heroldjaras9909 The higher the status and wealth, the larger the age gap gets. Of course average age gap is only 2 years since majority of men make average wage.
From pew research back in 2016 or 2017 iirc, first marriages with an age gap of over 10 years was 5%. Second marriages with an age gap of over 10 years was 20%. In the vast majority of those the man was the older one.
The older people get the larger and more common the age gaps get. Men overwhelmingly prioritize beauty and youth and choosing younger partners while not putting much emphasis on other traits. Also this doesn't have to be confined only in the 20s and 30s group, like a 35 year old man picking a 23 year old woman. Same exact thing applies to a 45 year old man picking a 33 year old woman. In both cases they choose a younger most likely more attractive partner.
There is really no debate here. Women are significantly more disadvantaged by the loss of their youth and beauty in the long term mating market. Probably the fact that men have a larger fertility window contributes to it as well.
@@mrdouche9172 the point here is the early 20s women, since the early 20s women are the most sought after age group....no early 20s woman would want someone more than 10 years old man.... Majority still choose men in within their age range.... that's what numbers and statistics show us... Probably you will get exceptions to the rule, but that early 20s woman you are getting is probably a 5/10 or 4/10 early 20s woman..... the best looking early 20s woman would try to date the best looking early 20s man or an early 20s average man....
@@krishyyfan5153 I get your point, but you are not getting my point. I agree with the averages. However, my point is that men who overperform and overachieve socially and financially, which is a minority of men of course, will leverage it in most cases in order to date younger/hotter women than they would otherwise be able to.
@@mrdouche9172 yeah...those old dudes must overperform and overachieve as in Top level...not just having a house or a car, but even more....but if you are just an average 45 years old (which most 40s men are), don't expect early 20s woman to even consider you as a prospect....
Im in my early 30s now and dont really have trouble with hooking up with partners in their early 20s, but that's probably because I'm fit and I look young.
Same, I am in a relationship with a 7 years younger woman. The idea that I am her sugardaddy is obscene.
Of course there’s exceptions if you look younger than your actual age and your good looking of course you can attract younger women but you won’t if you actual look your age, youthfulness is the key.
It’s not about hookups, anyone can hookup, that’s easy. It’s the quality of your lifetime mate that determines your marketplace value. If a good woman wants you, you’ve made it. If you can’t attract a good woman, head back to the drawing board
@@LooksmaxxingLMS youthfulness is the key in women not men. On dating sites the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
@@Vader007. Cope
Rich only took around a minute to contextualize and give a f*cking answer with AN ACTUAL NUMBER saying which age he thinks a man peaks sexually. If someone has to go to this length to justify an answer, just to make sure he's covering all the bases and counterarguments, you don't even have to oppose his arguments because the answer is already there. I never had nothing against Rich or the redpill because to me was more of the same thing, but this video clearly shows that he's a scam and he knows it. And unfortunately you're right, but don't expect these guys to agree with you because you're going against their bread and butter. We have to keep each other accountable and I'm proud to see a video like this going against this red pill mambo-jambo.
He’s catching them on their grift and they can’t believe it
For online daters the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
I feel like the person who’s being interviewed is taking this really personally because the guy is talking like broadly generally regarding data and then his responses are like well. I well me well my….
Have you thought about going on the Fresh and Fit show to discuss the red pill topic, etc? I think you're scientific approach would really benefit the discussion.
there's no way they would invite someone who will make themselves look like the moronic clowns that they are, he needs to be a bit dumber to come on
They wouldn’t talk to him another guy with a PhD in communications tried and Myron was scared by his credentials lol
I disagree. Online dating, older men are killing it. I am fitter, harder younger, but you can't beat status. Generally in Vancouver i don't see the best looking young woman, go for the best looking young men. It's usually a machine gun kelly loser. At least here in Vancouver.
It's not just your personal perception, online the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
Women in their 30's run around trying to lock down all the guys they rejected in their 20's. This is the point little boy Macky. The tables turn, do you seriously not know this?
It doesn’t mean that these men are more attractive than the hot men in their 20s.
Cope some more.
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@@yzma6142 On dating sites the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
This is pure cope. If you were a loser in your 20’s you’re more likely to be a loser in your 30’s. A young woman will pick you in your youth if she sees potential but it looks like she didn’t. And the men who aren’t picked are likely to stay where they are and not improve. So your fantasy is pure cope.
The average guy who does not work on themselves their smv gets lower but those that do it gets higher and sometimes exceeds that of men, overall, in thier 20s.
I don’t think Rich Cooper is the most unattractive man in the world.
Here’s the thing though he thinks you’re unattractive because you’re not in your 20s or at least you don’t appear to be from your picture. I apologize if you are.
@@ke6264 Here’s the thing… Of course, I’m not in my 20’s. I’m an attractive older woman, and I don’t pretend to be younger. It’s a privilege to get older… some people don’t get that privilege… my mom died when she was 52. I don’t really care what men think of me, I’m valuable regardless and I don’t lack attention from men. I wouldn’t comment on other women’s pictures, when it’s clear your picture doesn’t show that you’re a great beauty, or at least you don’t appear to be, if you are then I apologize.
Think its very important to clarify. His indual oeak. And when is the average pwak from her view.
I might reach my peak of 5.12 at age 70, while being 4,09 all ny life.
But female ideal partner is a 8,75 at age 25
A 25 year old won’t touch you after you are the age of 30, she wants a man her own age. Be realistic with yourself, don’t live in clouds of self-made delusion
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v thanks for your input , not sure why, but that had a slight sting to it. Probably the implication of delusion and the fact that is a confirmation of having missed the bus. And that is a bit painful.
In the coment i was not actually referring to myself. He might for his life reach his own peak at 70. Feel the best about himself and his life. But others will see their personal peak in others, at 25
But all this statical matching. Its about vibe. And looks, 6 pack, requirements quickly come 2nd . Not ignored but they aren’t the one all. Be all. But physical attraction is important. Nit disagreeing
I personally hope to match with my energy and values and circumstances in life. Someone that is compatible. Someone I find attractive and a physical pull towards
I am looking to move into own place, hopefully settle down.m, maybe not party 3x a week but 1x ?
And then f that person is 25, 28, 32, 38… so be it. (Premenopausal cause im still hoping i can have a family of my own)
A could hope for a compatible soul not a number.
my intentions for connection are genuine . Its not as much vanity as allow me to hope.
Despair, hopelessness. Resigned to further life of disappointment… its a reality I am not willing to accept yet.
I may have started late. First girlfriend at 26. Sooooo 🫣 yeah im late to the game but i still want to enjoy the game and play along. 🙋♀️
Thanks for reaching this point
That boy Murphy dont know what he's talking about lol
Of course he doesn’t bc you don’t wanna believe your reality as an average man but does Rich not know either bc he agreed with him? MOST OF YALL ARE AVERAGE AT BEST GET OVER IT.
@AmberJailee rich speaking facts but your old ass can't handle the truth. That boy Murphy is just talking out of his ass. Stay mad because you're alone with no man in your life lol deal with it, little girl
@@esco819it's funny how y'all all resort to women being single with no man and cats like it's a bad thing. Seeing the statics online men are more lonely than women 😂
@jasminel.3635 women are on antidepressants now more than ever😂 single women are the ones who cries all over online how no men wants them lol explain that, missy
@jasminel.3635single women are on antidepressants now more than ever and they cry about how no man wants them😂 explain that
There is a more insightful statistical measure that can be deducted from the data of dating apps age filter settings: average number of competitors per woman. I want to tell you the advantage of this, if you ask
Lol... You gotta look like Cavill or Hemsworth if you want the young ladies.
The bearded dud barely let you speak!!! And what you were saying was so much more logical!! He was just being anecdotal and illogical!! Talk about this dude coping.
we cant expect that men in their 20s are peak lol, Physique Career Lifestyle need time to build.
i found a plenty of videos in which women in their late 30s complain that they are getting hitted by some " loosers" while only the best guys used to chase them. They used to be "models" ( used to be -that is crucial!!!) :D :D :D :D :D Well, they are aging and lose their attractiveness. Some of them notice on time and start to recalibrate their demands. I recall some video by Adam Socnick where he was talking about men and women in 40 and differences.
He mentioned when women aged 40 and still clildless and single people start to pity them. When a guy is 40 , but still in great shape , succesfull and single he is a "catch". LOL to whom ??? To the same women his age decribed above. Not to some college girl!!!
Ssdly, that is the only category of women who will increase their interest in later stage of your life!! Beeing anattractive in youth does not magically vanish.
The biggest delusion of the redpilll. Thanks.
Rich's reaction and body language to the uncomfortable truth says *everything.* Not a good look.
well, yeah... if Richard starts claiming that 20 y.o. models are chasing guys like him he risks being laughed at his face in a live stream.
Online the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
You have a culture that does looks down on this. If men take life seriously, they peak around 40. And peak doesn’t mean only in looks. Their looks don’t have to decline much and everything else will be maxed. Men on average do age like wine and women line milk
even if that is true, even if men would age like wine, young wmen still date young men. average age gap is 2 years, which means most 40 year olds date 38 year old wmen. most people are average, your "if men take life seriously" are a small amount of men, and the biggest most common age gaps are 10 years, so at best he can date a 30 year old wmen. but not a 20 year old wmen because relationships with a 20 year old age gap are not that common. of course there are some relationships with 20 year age gaps, but in most cases that doesnt happen.
@@heroldjaras9909Exactly. We young girls stadistically don't want men more than a decade older than us. Explanation: Both men and women lose attractiveness with age unlike wine which gets better with time. I will explain why men loose attractiveness with age and why the older they are from the promedium 3 year gap (him 3 years older than her), the less probabilities they have of getting a prime year old girl, distributed in Gauss Bell, therefore the probabilities decline a lot every year, the decline is not even proporcional , it's much faster.
Statistically, we early twenties girls have a preference for boys from 0 to 5 years older than us. The proof is that the average age difference is 3 years in Spain, Turkey, United States distributed in a Gauss Bell in which +10 year gaps are very rare... (The exception is, for example, the average age difference of 5 years in undeveloped countries such as Morocco, Algeria, but most of the viewers of these channels are from western countries...).
Therefore when redpillers say that 30 year old women cannot compete with 20 year old women is true in the sense that they are less attractive but it is lie because in real life there isn't that competition because we prime year old girls have a preference for boys 0-5 older than us. Many redpillars love to exaggerate a truth like this (that there is a 3 year age difference in Gauss Bell), exaggerating it to the point of turning it into a lie (by making up that on a day-to-day basis, twenty-somethings are attracted to guys who are more than a decade older than us).
They bully 30-year-old women by saying things like a 36-year-old man is going to date a 20-year-old girl as if she was interested in him. the one distributed as a Gaussian bell where age gaps of +10 years are very rare) a 30 year old woman is waaay more likely to attract, say, a 34 year old man than he is to attract the girl 23 years old 🤣🤣
If the vast majority of prime year old girls statistically choose guys 0-5 years older than us despite the fact that thirty-somethings have more money, then, those guys 0-5 years older than us must have something: greater beauty than the thirtysomethings. There is no age in men in which he will have more stadistic probabilities for getting a 20 year old girl than in his 23. It does not make sense to call 35 year as most attractive age for men when the vast majority of early twenties girls prefer boys 0-5 older than her.
What men do have is an advantage, they depend on three things: physique+personality+money, while she depends on her physique+personality, for which the age difference increases over time (in forties there is a greater age difference than in thirty-year-olds and in turn more than in twenties) but neither can a man increase the age difference too much because the distribution is a Gaussian bell and still decline in orobabilities with prime year old Girls.
The exceptions are famous people that are in the extremes of the Gauss Bell, because famous means being known by at least 100 000 people, therefore it is being 1 of every 100 000 they are not representative behaviours of society , that are the topic of this redpill channels.
Statistics of the civil registry and of the surveys, with also a graphic representation where the Gaussian Bell can be seen:
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And then you take make-up out of the picture and the stats get wayy worse for women
@@heroldjaras9909it's not even taking life seriously, majority of men will NEVER be rich, that's it. Do red pillers think that every man can become rich? Have they ever been outside? Don't they that majority of people work full time and still live paycheck tò paycheck??
You can cope all you want, it’s just simply not the reality.
Macken after watching a few of your videos now you come off, shall we say apprehensive, to language that could be misconstrued in a negative way into actual ill effects. Yet you so casually use a prerogative word like "incel"? Just seems really hypocritical because if supposing you care about men why would you just throw such casual contempt in conversation.
Listen to my podcast about incels. I don’t view it as a prerogative, it’s a term they invented for themselves; this is a misunderstanding.
@@murphymacken - I'm familiar with the label and the niche people who invented it though not that I am affiliated or know any of them specifically. However the label itself has taken upon a different meaning in popular culture. Largely thrown around at men who don't even consider themselves incels, and so, has basically become a modern style variant of virgin shaming.
So honestly the inventor is moot at this point when the word is clearly used as a pejorative.
@@murphymacken that’s bullshit. You absolutely use it here as a pejorative.
@@ThermicLightincel means “involuntary celibate”. He is using it in correct context in this video, because these are bitter men with revenge fantasies that delude themselves into thinking they haven’t passed their prime. In reality, they will probably never score a genuine woman, hence they are incels.
Schooled him 😂
I am much better looking at 45 than 25, and have twenty-something women approach me (in social circle, at least). I know that physical looks isn't everything in attractiveness, but I'm objectively at my best-looking. I could see being better looking at 50, too. I'm under no delusion - I don't expect to look better when I'm 55-60 or whatever. Also, irl is different than dating apps. If you meet people socially and they aren't reading stats off a profile, they are attracted to your actual physical presence. Do I think I'm typical? No. But I see a lot more guys over 30 who look fit and put together (and not wrinkled) than women.
I’m 21 and you’re not attractive at all. Guys in my age take more care of their looks than you do, sorry
You’re coping. More women look gorgeous and fit well into their 30’s and 40’s
Coping hard friend
Stop the copium
@@user-lt1jd1ye3vwomen lool gorgeous in their 30s and 40s?
Seems like we have a coping grand ma?
You was absolutely wrong bro as you age as a man you are STILL able to pull at HIGHER RATES than when you were younger REGARDLESS of how you look because the things that women look for is not just looks 😂
you can't argue with numbers and statistics.... like only less than 5 percent are more than 10 years age gap relationship... be realistic with the numbers and stats... 20s women are not intentionally looking for 40s and 50s men....
Yeah you might pull but is that relationship gonna last no 😂
Women will always go for looks, money/status doesnt do anything for attraction just betabuxxing
Young women who go for rich older men call them “sugar daddies” for a reason. They don’t respect you, they see you as a wallet. It’s like an employee and employer. The man gets the sex, the woman gets the money. There is nothing respectable or genuine about these relationships, and they aren’t the average.
The average age gap is 3.5 years, and the median is 1-2 years. Today, the average age men and women get married is 30 and 28, and 200 years ago it was 27 and 23.
Women who look for money aren’t looking for it because it’s attractive, but because it’s beneficial. Money is everything in a capitalistic society. In reality, youth is beauty, for men and women.
Everything you say about women aging like milk and men aging like wine, is pure revenge fantasy. Single older women are statistically happier than single older men. Not only that, but older women will have more men approach them. This is the harsh reality. I don’t disagree that women in their 20s are the most attractive, but even undesirable women will have it better than undesirable men. Instead of lying to yourself to feel better, look for actual ways to increase your happiness and satisfaction.
You can’t fight biology. Men who are older have low quality genetics and are more likely to have sperm defects which repulse young fertile women. Keep coping though.
Women like older men because older men have their shit together 😂 that's all there is to it
Older men are far from having shit together. They are divorced with baby mama's and kids or widowed with late wife ghost issues or never married selfish avoidants. The best men you can find are in their 20s.
older men who are going for really young women do not have their shit together. they are just creepy. coming from a 20 year old.
Tons of men in their 20s have “their shit together” but sure, cope
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v No they don't, and increasingly less so. To the point it becomes a societal problem in fact.
They are many YOUNG men having there shit together, having degress etc. So stahp
Men definitely are desirable for a lot longer than men are generally, and with higher status they can also attract wide ranges of woman compared to women. Tons of women are attracted to older men, very few are attracted to older women. This isn’t to bash them of course, but a guy has a better chance finding love later than a woman does.
Cope
@@user-lt1jd1ye3vthe one coping seems to be you, you are in evrybodies replies writing "cope"
Its not a rocket science that older women do not get any attention vs older men of same age
@@rifatislam5836This is false. Women will always get attention from desperate men, no matter the age. It’s the men that are expected to approach women. Also, when older men are getting attention, it’s with the expectation that the younger women will become sugar babies. Essentially, they see the older man as a w#llet, the same way men see s3x w0rk3rs as objects. You are about as respected as the average employee respects their boss.
The reason it looks like more women are attracted to older men, is because women’s attraction ages with them. You can’t assume everybody online is a teenage girl. The average woman is attracted to her age group, but men will always gawk at the 18-24 year olds. This doesn’t mean the 18-24 year olds like you back. They might use you as a sugar daddy, but that’s not attraction, that’s taking advantage. This is a discussion on value, and according to red pillers, men have the most value when the most 18-24 year olds are attracted to them. That prime would probably range from 22 to 34, though the youngest the average 34 year old could get is 24.
@@hhhhh2961 that is a thing, women after 30 lose their attraction from men of all ages whereas men if they stay fit even in their 30s can attract women from 18-24
Also not all women are shallow minded like you who think eveyone wants them for money
Thirdly what women prefer and what they get are two different things,
A woman who is 20 can prefer a guy who is 23
But we all know men in their 20s are not gonna get married she will get used as sex toy which will reduce her ability to find a good man as bodycount matters,
Also
Who told you mens sexual attractiveness is same as a woman?
We are not equal
Also 98% alimony is paid by men no woman will marry a broke 25 year old over a fit 35 year old with money and decent job
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You got him on this one for sure.
Its only the men that put a lot of work i to theor physically appearance and their financial success that do better with women as they age.
What Rich should be saying is that men have the opportunity to get better or at least attract women of all ages as they get older.
There’s a difference between aging and aging like sh**. People shouldn’t be looking so terrible in their 30s and 40s, I believe part of it is bad genetics but the big reason why I believe so many people are ugly in their 30s and 40s is because of their terrible lifestyle habits living unhealthy stressful lifestyle consuming lots of alcohol and drugs and eating garbage processed fast food and junk food, especially here in the United States where obesity is a big problem especially amongst older adults where obesity is the highest. Just look at celebrities in their 30s and 40s while yes they noticeable look more mature than in their 20s however they didn’t age like trash, many of them they still look relatively attractive in their 30s and 40s while the average man or a woman in his or her 30s or 40s looks like trash because they are overweight/obese and didn’t care of their health, if you take care of your health and eat a raw carnivore diet your not going to age like milk, most people don’t live healthy though most people neglect their health which is why everybody ages like milk.
Just Say to the people that you support women
my peak is 34 has a women. took a while to work on myself or remark that i was beautiful since i was rape multiple time im way more beautiful now because im in my feminine energy .But i dont look 34 ,im on carnivore . Im metis i wont age fast at all ,i think women that look very hot and confident are like me in their 30 + .It rare to find a young lady that is confident and know how to dress ect
Agreed looking back on it now I was a child at 23, I feel much more mature now in my later 20s and looking forward to learning more
Who would have thought he agrees with wheat waffeles black pill, the fine wine copers.
I have had to swallow that bitter pill. I missed the normal train … if i get extremely lucky i might be able to hitchhike to way. Might even flag down a nice ride. But that train its gone.
I didn’t choose it. If i could i definitely would have it differently.
But even if on all 4s with torn cloths and bleeding hands and knees i struggle to wards the next ride towards the egg shell breaking open
Thank you!!!
You are very right Macken, makes sense
About what?
Rich accept the truth bud
Macken is not accounting that patriarchy which has the intent to accelerate men into their prime in modern society has conditioned men and women to shack up earlier and gives women a saftey net to risk betting on a younger guy.
However we have analogue from Aristotle that women peak at 18, men 37 despite their shortened lifespan.
During Aristotle's time, men lived longer on average than women.
I'm 28, I've dated older, young, and my age. I can tell you now from experience I'd rather date around my age, maybe slight older (35 at most), but if I had to choose between a much older man and a man who, let's say, 20-21, I'd choose the 20-21 year old for a multitude of reasons. I don't even keep my dating gap open for much older men anymore, gives me major ick. A lot of them aren't even that established or that intelligent and the intelligent part was the main reason I even attempted. Intelligence doesn't always come with age. I've met 19 year olds more intelligent than some of the 40-50 year olds I've briefly dated and it then dawned on me, "Oh. That's why they're single now." (at least if they were intentionally divorced). That's just from my experience though.
Also, as a 28 year old, I still attract very young men too. And like I said if I had to choose between the two...
What kind of silly philosophy is it to think it’s the best days of passed a man by he was in his 20s and 30s? I don’t think really anybody would agree with this.
Money doesn’t exist so any women who would even show interest isn’t interested in you but your money the definition of a betabux. Only in your 20s do you actual have options.
I don’t agree that a man’s best days are in his 20s, but it is his best opportunities to find a genuine relationship, and you won’t have any luck later on unless you stop chasing after young women who have nothing in common with you.
For online daters the most desirable age in women is 18 while in men is 50 (Study done by Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan).
@@Vader007. interesting. I’ll look that up. I’ll tell you as a guy in his 40s, I get way way less hits than I used to in my 30s. But then again, I only search for girls in their 20s.
As a 40+ year old man with some money and dresses well and in shape. I can say 20 year old women are not looking for me. lol
This dude is just trying to brainwash women into doing so. He grift isnt only to make money off of lonely men but it also doubles as a way to game women without making it so obvious.
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Mackin is strictly talking about physical looks without taking in consideration a man’s wisdom, money, conversation, status ect all get better with age..if you add that to a man who kept his self up physically than you got a man that better than 95% of the population. If he’s tall you got even more of an advantage. If he’s white game over. He can have damn near any women he want..Young women say and think they want young guys their age but at the end of the day they’re going to go for the man that provides them with security and status and 9 times outa 10 it’s the older more established man
If you look at her ovulatory cycle as well as her life cycle, security and stability are more valuable over a much longer period of time than alpha-type genetics. Marilyn Monroe [as well as some other Hollywood stars/starlets] found Einstein very bone-worthy: MM's friend: But he's so O-O-O-O-OLD!! MM: I hear he's healthy [archly].
Macken must not be familiar with Buss and Meston's work, Why Women Have Sex. LOTS of reasons, therefore, lots of ways for men to be attractive to women.
This is the most massive cope that i have ever read in my entire life. Women don't care about your wisdom, if she does not like you in the first 5 minutes it's ALL OVER. Trying to do anything after that is an uphill battle that will ultimately lead nowhere except maybe betabuxxing which you will pay for dearly later on
"They say and think and do want younger men who are looking but actually they want older men because.... Because... I said so alright?!"
As a 20 something year old girl so the party in question and being spoken on behalf of so much, nah, you’re wrong. I want to settle with someone around my age, who I love, I’d choose the young one I love over the old millionaire any day .. 😊 sorry this reality is brutal for you but I don’t really care.
@@user-lt1jd1ye3v lol it’s not brutal..too each is own..Everyone has a preference. I assume you had a strong Mother or father figure in your life. Maybe both..With that being said as older I don’t mean 20-30 years apart..I’m talking more like 5-10 years apart..In some cases even 15 years but that’s pushing it..I’d be willing to bet that your dating or with a man atleast a couple years older than you and If not id be 100% positive your friends are dating older men..just because you might be an exception to the rule doesn’t mean the rule doesn’t stand
Richard COPE
😥 "promosm"
When getting data from dating apps you kind of have to take it with a grain salt. In general women tend to date guys that are older. The average age range in a marriage is 3.5 yrs. Now when it comes to really big age differences like 15 plus years I totally understand where he's coming from but 5 to ten or maybe even a little more will be acceptable for a lot of women. Also take into account cultural differences like west vs east etc.
This was discussed in the clip. Even 5-10 years does not show "peak" women selecting men in their late 30s, or even mid-30s.
@murphymacken on the contrary there has been other studies to debate your findings. Plus keep in mind this may vary by culture. But I digress.
If the average age range in a marriage is 3.5 years, that means that women aren’t really dating outside their age group still. And the median age range is 1-2 years+average woman gets married at 28 and average man gets married at 30. This means women and men still both peak in their 20s.
@hhhhh2961 if a women isn't married by age 29 her chances of finding a husband tends to decrease every year while mens chances tend to increase.
@@johnconnor210 no they do not. If this was the case, men wouldn’t be getting married in their 20s on average.
Murphy should listen more than he talks....
The bearded dude was interrupting him the whole time, are you daft?
He's the freakin guest... Old man should let him finish more than interrupting all the time
Men do peak in their early 30's to late 40's, if they do the work that is needed but most modern men don't...
It’s not a true peak if you have to rely on ideas that don’t exist such as money and career, 30s and 40s can’t be your prime because your start declining physically your body starts to age and many lose their looks. Only in your youth can you find real love that’s why 20s is your peak biological you can cope and deny the reality but that’s the brutal reality that we peak young.
@@LooksmaxxingLMS You're an incel and it is painfully obvious since you think looks-based interest is worth more than monetary interest when in reality both is transactional (which to a large degree all relationships are).
@@LooksmaxxingLMS exactly, its just nature. Youth and beauty is just nature signaling us that this is the time to procreate because we are the healthiest to do it now. I think people in their 30s can still be attractive, if they eat healthy for their whole life
Macken Murphy = Jefferson Darcy, MWC TV show 87-97.
I'm in my late 30s game over!
What Cooper doesn't understand is that SOME men are very immature in their late teens early 20's. I've dated guys who still thought telling fart jokes were funny at that age. No, they're not.
As a 20 something year old girl, I like guys my own age
Stop talking at the same time.
a young ideologised academic, influenced by feminism, and clueless about women.