I need to thank the guy that cheated with my exwife and married her. It hurt at first but I got over it. Eighteen months later my exwife tried to sleep with me when I went to see my kid. Her husband was away in the military and I told her hell no. Found out he left her and filled for divorce. What was he thinking marrying a cheater. I am sure he caught her and saw signs of cheating just like I did. Now I am married to a great women, we have a kid, and we are doing well financially.
i had a kid with a women who admitted to cheating before i even gave her the ring. She swore up and down that she'd never do it again and it was so aweful..i was too in love with this beautiful woman (i liked her accent too) that i ignored the red flags...she indeed did not learn and cheated on my around the time our son turned 1. She hasnt been able to hold down a man since (3 years later). Once a cheater, always a cheater i fully believe now
monogomy doesnt work because humans are not lifelong monogous and men have always cheated the only differnce is wom@n cheating rates have increased significantly along with divorce rates
Emergency? Male friend equals good dick without commitment. Like he explained. Women want stability and taken care of. The male friend is either someone who can't provide or is not willing to commit.
@@bernardwinkletoes4981 My friend with benefits got married and tried to keep our thing going. The look of despair in her husband's face when she invited me to one of their parties made me cut all communication.
It all comes down to discipline. If you’re attractive it’s even more difficult because you will be tempted. Having the strength to say “no” to someone who you are attracted to because you are already in a relationship will be difficult but it’s your duty to do so. It’s not just relationships, it’s everything in life. You sacrifice fun for studies and career, you sacrifice tasty food to stay fit, you sacrifice fun to raise children. It’s not super natural people you just have to be strong and learn to not cave to every damn desire that comes your way. If you cheat, you’re weak. It’s strength and discipline, very simple.
There are many people out there that are simply not attracted to others while in love with someone. I'm like that. So cheating wouldn't even be a possbility on my end. Have broke it off with girls who confessed their attractions towards other guys. If you're romantically and / or physically attracted to others while in a commited relationship then bye bye 👋🏼
I dont believe any study that depends on women selfreporting. Even when they participating anonymiously. They give socially acceptable answers or answer what they think other women answer.
@@JEREMY99218 that’s because our society doesn’t have punishments in place like we have for men…If you’re married and she does it you should be able to divorce without giving her anything..something where she realizes she will have consequences and decide she shouldn’t
Never understood why people cheat on each other, if your unhappy.....end the relationship. It's happened to me, I walked away without feeling any anger, betrayal, hurt or wanting vengeance.
I rejected a guy I didn’t even know. He never approached me. He harassed, stalked, bullied, held me back and locked me in the house for years. Never knew him. Never dated him. Never liked him. He wasted 7 years of my life for NOTHING! He was in my way, removing everything that brought me happiness. Intruded in my love life, social life, job prospects and every minute thing. He told my friends not to see me or invite me. And they didn’t. He hacked my mobile. He talks about MGTOW but he was in my way, at the expense of his own progress. He literally created a criminal record for himself.
Women often cheat out of resentment. Well, they fester resentment, let it build to anger then to entitlement and victimhood THEN they cheat and feel no need for remorse. It's a process that results in accountability only being placed on the guy they cheated on.
Hey Doc, it's called monkey branching and some meathead explained it to me 10 years ago. Monkeys never let go of one branch until they're holding onto another branch that can support them.
This is exactly why university and these professors are the greatest jokes on this earth. They spend years of their lives observing, collecting data and writing thesis’s on the machinations of this world that any normal blue collar person could summate in like 3 sentences. They are the greatest frauds ever.
I use this analogy for women as well. On the other hand men have dog bowling. A dog will turn up his nose to a healthy bowl of food (a great gal) until another dog comes in and starts eating it. Then it's the best dish on the menu and it's all they can think about.
It’s honestly the name of the game. Dating is probably the most primal thing about being a human being. I’ve had girls break up with guys to be with me, and I’ve had the same girl leave me for a new guy. They are brutal and it’s at a primal level. It’s almost like they can’t even control it. It has always caused me to remain cautious and pretty much avoid becoming too attached or emotionally invested into any woman.
Is it really like that ...I find so many women living with mates much lower than them on socio economic strata ...Women usually do not do that in happy marriages
@@sidhnaagambedkar5419You miss the part of the video about genes and the dual mating strategy. Women can be attracted to a provider but not necessarily sexually and on the other hand if a guy has good genes but he’s broke he’s still going to clap cheeks.
My neighbor ran around on his wife, even named his first child after his girlfriend, then found out his wife had been running around on HIM the whole time. Sad for their two kids.
@@EvilMAiq Losing your kids and not having a home is the opposite of Independent lol She's just going to be dependent on others and hurt them down the line
My brothers ex wife cheated on him and filed for divorce, fast forward 15 years shes now about 80 lbs overweight, broke living with her parents, and my nephew said she got arrested for DUI 😂😂😂, oh its music to my ears, I never liked her anyway
Hey Professor Buss! I took your Evolutionary Psychology class at the University of Texas at Austin in 2000. Fun class and I still remember your entertaining lectures.
When I learned about this subject matter while studying Biology in college, it permanently tainted my ability to fully embrace romance and relationships, having seen how fundamentally primal and opportunistic the game is.
Since Ancient Greece people have been trying to thwart their animal nature. There’s good reason for it, because it can yield far greater rewards than succumbing to baser instincts.
Men are primal, and women are fundamental to making a good man. The thing people dont talk about anymore is what makes a good woman. People now believe a man can be one. But it's visa versa because a good man creates a good woman, and a good woman creates a good man. Mother's and fathers creating stoic and balanced people by role.
I’m a just stay single. It’s lonely sometimes but I have a great family, good friends, a house with just me in it that I can come and go as I please and I don’t have to worry about getting chewed out or cheated on. Sure it’s lonely, but my God, is it ever peaceful.
He doesn’t explain things as clearly as others. He seems to be in a brain fog. I think it’s because Joe has had so much smarter people on here that can explain better.
The biggest problem with humanity as a whole is it's almost impossible to quantify pettiness, spite and selfishness from person to person until its too late. The more we internalize such negative aspect's absent the ability to reflect on their inherent dangers the more toxic we become. This is legit how many documented serial killers are created both male and female.
Damn. He does have a point on assymetry. The moment my face got injured it dropped off and guess she aint a patient person. He also coulda mentioned that birth control can change a womans entire spectrum of who theyre attracted to so one could go on the pill say post pregnancy and suddenly be repulsed by the husband and want the opposite attraction wise. Never met many that stop to ask why they feel something, just THAT they feel something is reason enough.
I can't say the same about my face but I started to go bald around age 27. My wife divorced me a couple years later. As depressing as it is - women don't budge on genetics, even the shit that's out of your control.
@@PlayStationElation00 yea she was like damn those are not good genes. gotta play it off by pretending u like the bald look, or just get a good girlfriend, but you gotta find her when ur bald
Man this conversation is the epitome of why I love Joe Rogan. This guy is super interesting and we just get to listen in on a conversation that Joe would probably have in a private space, or really any one of us would have with this guy. Thanks for letting us all experience this conversation Joe
Dr. Buss has done a lot of great research but you need to read the Rational Male book series (by Rollo Tomassi) if you want some honest analysis and applications of this research. Dr. Buss has gotten some heat from feminists and other woke mobsters so he has to try to be politically correct.
One interesting hypothesis that pops up when hearing peoples reasoning for cheating is that men seems to be able to love women unconditionally. Men cheat because of their animalistic instincts, unconditioned by how their relationship is going. It's as if men are happy as long as they can protect their mate and the offspring and are willing to sacrifice their happiness. For women it's a bit opposite, if they don't feel love they cheat.
I found out my wife was cheating on me last week, and it has devastated me. I had a home and a family, and now it's all been taken from me. How could someone I love so completely do something so horrible?
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Fuck! Thank you joe for pushing back on what he is saying! This is how we got here in the first place. Genetics, biology, science doesn't excuse right out bad behavior and selfishness whether your male or female
When men cheat, women say "there is no excuse big enough to cheat on your wife!" But when women cheat, women say, "What did he do to make her cheat on him?" THE END.
@@sole__doubt sounds entirely true to me. Although the beginning often can come from the eyes, though it’s less long lasting than a man’s “eye decisions”
From my limited life experience, the male vs. female reasons for infidelity that David describes here is a hundred percent right. One female that I used to know comes to mind because she never ended a relationship, instead of breaking up with a guy she just moved on to someone new, but she made sure it was obvious to old guy that there was a new sheriff in town. I watched her do this a number of times.
@@celinamilian it goes back to simple biology, maybe not in the OPs case but most women are very agreeable, breaking up with someone is ugly, painful, and the dumper has the burden of being portrayed as the bad guy. Most Women would rather cut off a finger than put themselves in that position, plus in the interim of breaking up to getting a new guy, they need a place to stay, as most women can’t or don’t support themselves- so they cheat. It’s like ripping off the band aid (and slapping the man while you do it), but many women can rationalize it enough that it feels easier than just breaking up. Same reason guys will break up over a text- easier. It’s 1000% better than cheating, but to women, there may as well be no difference at all.
I disagree with the premise that infidelity is more socially devastating for women than men. My first wife was unfaithful and after our divorce had a string of relationships including at least one more marriage which devolved. She has done very well for herself socially and financially. In fact. There are people in the community to this day who will not speak to me because they are convinced I was the villain. I find my type of story to be very common.
Correct. Buss is looking at things historically and ignoring the reality today. A cheating woman can easily end up in a better position by monkey branching or moving to skirt the shame. And usually the man is blamed for the divorce. Men pay the real price, often financially devastated.
My ex-wife cheated on me, and I discovered it like 7 months later. Initially I was the "bad guy" for neglecting and abusing her. Well in their eyes, my ex-wife was an angel and so, it couldn't have been her. Maybe I did something wrong? Rumors was going around saying maybe I beat her. Or cheated. Or neglected her. Nope. I was 100% faithful, loyal and looked after her and her family. I never shouted at her and was always open/nice. One day I just had enough and I just told her family and her friend the truth about what happened. Eg. me discovering this and that, and her talking to multiple men. Sleeping with them. Skipping work to be with them. Because I had helped them so much over the years and was always nice and honest to them, they believed me. They couldn't believe their daughter/friend had cheated. Now she is dating some rich businessman, who is also cheating on his wife with her. That was last I heard 2-3 years ago. My ex for the first year of divorce, still kept messaging me and trying to act like friends. Telling me everything. I put a stop to that and said no we can't be friends. I wanted to move on. Not be an emotional wreck every time she messaged me. I loved her and probably still do. But the woman I loved no longer exists. She has now completely changed, visually (brown to blonde hair now, lost weight, wears more revealing clothes now) and mentally different. Maybe she had always wanted to be a ho but couldn't while in a marriage. One thing though, she was a sex addict and would demand it daily. If she couldn't get it daily, she would get pissed off. Maybe this had something to do with it. Not to say that women with high sex drive can be cheaters, but I've also dated a girl in the past with also a similar sex drive. Also ended up cheating. Now I'm kind of wary of girls with high sex drives lol. The girl I'm currently with, has a regular sex drive and does not demand it daily.
@@karljonson3287 How is cheating socially devastating for the woman? Her friends don't need to know that she cheated. She already got her reasons and can just tell them anything. Same with her family. If she found a more better man (financially, social status and appearance), then she essentially upgraded without much damage being caused.
When you're a grown mature adult, you learn to communicate and end the relationship rather than cause drama. Cheating is not the answer and doesn't correct things, just hurts the other person.
Some people who feel disrespected or belittled by their partner intentionally cheat to hurt them. You are looking at it from a neutral perspective and relationships are not always neutral.
Because they want to have their cake and eat it too. Some people are just narcissistic. They also have little to no respect for their partner’s intelligence because they think that their partner is too stupid to find out.
In all my life never heard story of anyone who cheated had great future romantic relationships. They either cheated again on the new partner or got cheated on. Don't do it or stay away from relationships, SIMPLE.
A desire for sexual variety seems extremely embedded into my genetics. Comes sooo natural to me. Almost as if I am going against my very nature to just be with one woman. Yet I still choose to be with one woman and fight strongly against my impulses. I choose discipline. Too bad most other people can’t follow suit.
So long as you set the expectation from the start of the relationship that cheating for men is normal and ok and cheating for women abhorrent, disgusting, then when you do cheat it's expected and they care much less. So long as you have your shit together and are respectful about it, she ain't gonna care if you have a side piece.
Made myself listen to the whole podcast and was pleasantly surprised! "Accepting the data even when it goes against your narrative"- Great statement! This conversation was so refreshing.
An evolutionary psychologist just confirmed what I already know. Sometimes you don't need statistics or studies to be done for what you can see with your own eyes.
A lot of what this guy says makes sense to me.. it doesn't accurately predict this for everyone but he's definitely right on a lot here..I had my own experience with women and I always saw that my women would always get propositioned all the time, and I didn't always get cheated on but I knew that another guy was always around the corner waiting to replace me..
Yeah my girlfriend gets hit on all the time, everywhere. She sees other men as NPCs. That’s what true love is when you’re her best option, you treat her special, all other men are just like inanimate blobs with no potential to arouse her
@@josueescobar8968 not sure what you mean exactly, I have had a lot of women in my life and none have been the same, if you want an example of one relationship then yes she treated me the same, she treated me good actually. I don't know how someone can be OK with cheating because I never was and would bring this up in any relationship, communicating is important if you never talk you would never find out how people feel.
@@josueescobar8968 yeah my girlfriend treats me as her king. I’m literally her best option. Imagine you have your dream job. That’s how she treats me as a man would treat his dream job. Thats the best analogy I can think of. She knows I get hit on a lot too (although indirectly). She knows she could lose me if she doesn’t act right. She tells me she would never find anyone better and would be devastated and not even try to date other people if I broke up with her. You can’t just readily find a man like me anywhere. I have everything set up in my life perfectly and have insanely high sex appeal and game
The mate switching is totally true. My fiancée monkeybranched and then cheated on me. She was talking to him for months and then had the affair, about zero sympathy for me after the fact
@@MakeMoneyOnlineWithEmmaall my life basically at this point it's actually frightening how cold and heartless they can be when they decide they are "over" you
We are all just animals & it’s just mating. Loving someone is the same as getting used to someone. It’s all it is imo. Take your heart out of it. Focus on creating a craft that can travel the speed of light so we can explore the universe further out.
It's just lust and an inability to control yourself for both male and female. It's not strategic or thought out. You're either a decent person who can control yourself and keep your promises and commitments or you're not.
Female's Cheat way more than Men do why because they can have any Man they want if they are good looking intelligent, stable funny and a woman knows that she can turn heads she uses this to her advantage they will start off faithful but soon become board with there mate sexually and will cheat on there Man and still stay with there Man for stability finances or just feel they can have the best of both worlds as long as he doesn't find out that's the truth....
Something i dont see mentioned much is the FEAR of being cheated on. Both men and women obviously have this fear, a strategy to protect ones heart is to remain in a state of mind that keeps your defences up, that state of mind makes you less bonded to the person so it’ll hurt less if cheated on, but also makes you more likely to then cheat yourself. Ive know many people that seem to me to be using this strategy
First off, let me say I'm not denying the importance of fidelity in many key senses. However, unconsciously, people like Rogan, look at things in an overly deontological way. This is a Western Jedeo Christian malaise and is demonstrative of a lack of comprehension of the true higher God and spirit. (yet the West tends to distort things which are deontologically irrevocable, such as your biology). Of course, there is a positive side to the deontological quest, as this guest makes many rational, well researched points. It's merely that it's also necessary to have grey areas and 'the open cup ready to be filled'. Deontological thinking without explanation, nuance or unending new possibility, is also a sign of diminished IQ (think rednecks who can only repeat Bible verses with the epistemology that 'its true because it's true' rationale). In other words, the Western Judaic deontological quest (although I'd suggest the pre Christian Western ancients had a far more advanced thinking methodology) can be to generate an unending stream of rules merely as a way to prop up your sense of self. You are a hero in your own mind, and sometimes other people's minds (those with a diminished IQ) merely if you can say 'I made this rule, and it's a rule because it's cool' and boy oh boy does this allow extremists to come up with some bonkers rules. 'You can't say XYZ about XYZ group and this absolutely, deontologically true' as is one Woke idea, for example, which I would strongly suggest comes from Yahwism, the irony being that so many Yahwist cultures consider themselves to be 'free thinking'. Clue, they are often not as free thinking as they believe. At all. This is also why most of the world see the West as 'preachy' but simultaneously hypocritical. It's because anyone can make a set of rules which sets someone up (for warfare, regime change, cancelling etc) whilst you yourself nonchalantly break a whole array of other what might be arbitrary rules, which another person could easily ad hoc generate, as a form of 'superiority chess'. Now, this may seem a controversial place to say it, on a video about relationships and fidelity, an area where a certain degree of deontology is not bad, but it's nonetheless the case that Yahwism (the unconscious thinking pattern behind much Western thinking including both woke and far right philosophy) cannot handle nuance. What if a couple decides to have an open relationship, for example, and neither feels and remorse or distaste for the situation? Certainly from a Yahwist 'traditional' perspective, this can't be possible (in fact, such a thing would be punishable by stoning when Jawism was at it's barbaric apex). What about Pagan times when people followed far looser conceptions of god, with regards to relationships, which never meant that wedlock nor out of wedlock relationships were a sign of moral impropriety (the opinion most sane people hold today) People will say I am presenting a 'liberal' perspective by saying that not all people want to be in the same style of relationship, or that I am poo pooing traditionalism, but this is idiocy. Not everything is and/or, that's this hypocritical Western deontology for low IQ individuals. I'd imagine that Rogan is aware, for example, that many countries following the strong Judaic deontological quest, believe that pot smokers should be severely punished (time in prison and in certain circumstances, execution). The point is not what is correct/incorrect on this particular topic. Of course, cheating is hurtful if it is two people together who have made a strong bond of commitment. Of course traditional coupling is the very bread and butter of one generation spawning another. This is NOT my key point. My point is more general in observation of the pattern of many 'unravelling the Matrix' Western social media commentators. Rogan, like others, is part of the malaise of Yahwist thinking (unconsciously of course) which is the progenitor philosophy of both woke and extreme right ideology. In Yahwist cultures, saying 'I came up with this new rule' is the peak of showing your status (ironic when the Yahwist cultures tend to have 'belief in discussion' high on their list of ideals) Can an evolutionary biologist help people to stay together and love eachother for all eternity? It might happen, but God (the real God) is God. It is more nuanced and is seeking more understanding than you think than mere rules.
Seriously, my husband has been visiting massage parlors and sleeping with prostitutes for the last 15 months. I found out last month. We've been married for 6 months. We've been together for 5 years. I do worry that he'll cheat again. He's been the best person in my life until I found out. I honestly had no idea. I was completely destroyed by all this. I do love him but I don't like that I was fooled.
@@arianebennion he will do it again. Once a cheater cheats a big portion of the time they will again. I know this because I’ve done it myself sadly. I regret it insanely but I know each person is different but on average they will cheat again. It sucks and I hate myself for what I myself did years back but there’s times where you have to look at the bigger picture and learn to cut the line before it gets worse
@@BaphoMedia In some cases yes but not all once it sets into reality that a man will lose his children and ruin everything he was worked for to complete his family I believe some men can turn it around and change
Very interesting chat. I felt glad that it justified some of my own behaviours, and confirmed that they are perfectly natural. Would love to hear more from this guy.
Please have Sarah Hill on the podcast! Hormonal forms of birth control have SO many side effects that no one talks about, including gynecologists. I would love, love, love to hear from her!
@@nostalgicbliss5547 crushes the sex drive of many women on it. Also, when the woman finally decides to get off it and have a child. Far greater chance of the child being gay if it happens to be a male child. 🧐
@@seansmith6516 it's simply not natural. Especially to be on it for many years. Most women complain about bad periods and it's really down to their diet and lifestyle
It’s also if they are not getting validation from their partner or getting needs met.. And abandonment and attraction.. because people cheat far after they already had their kids and are not seeking any more.. All I can say is if you have a good thing going with someone then Don’t Ruin it by cheating.. It’s not worth it.. Regret far outweighs loosing someone That you have been looking your whole life for
@JayGambo 🙏 Amen. Just because we have the desire doesn’t mean we should act on it. There is a reason why almost all the religions have rules about infidelity.
The egg heads in the comments just seem to have woken up. This advise was apparent to anyone who had any experience with women in their life. Most women cheat because their needs are not met, the hoes will cheat regardless.
No -they cheat too! I certainly don’t understand this at all! Married over 40 -never unfaithful. Life is difficult because we humans complicate everything.
It's important to challenge "right" ideas so the academic can then further explain. People who don't have an academic mind may not understand everything being said and get confused or misinterpret what's being said. It's not necessarily an insult but it can be frustrating, yeah
You gotta challenge what sounds wrong. I'm a mere engineering graduate, and I challenged my vegan MD doctor about having unlimited fruit. Fructose causes fatty liver.
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Man I love explaining modern human behavior by looking back at evolution and our time as hunter gatherers. It makes everything make so much more sense, it fits all the puzzle pieces in place
Does it really though? A good amount of stuff can be explained sure but evolutionary explanations always feel lacking when not paired with social explanations. At different points In history atractive has meant different things. We've gone from heavier women to the coke adict models amd actresses of the 90s and 2000s, from head to toe coverings to bikinis. Human advancement in society, technology and medicine adds too much to leave explanations to just evolutions.
@@Pontif11 Well I think the two are very closely interwoven with one another. Society and sociological interaction evolved alongside our physical evolution. Society was molded BY our instincts and inherent nature that we tend to tamp down today. Our sexual dimorphism alone has had an astronomical impact on sociology and society. Ignoring the absurdity of the last decade or so, our gender roles were what allowed us to divide and conquer, and become so successful. It gave us our power. And it strengthened the selective pressure for bonding and close-knit communities, all of which directly lead to virtually all societal structures ever since
@@Pontif11 And while the general idea of beauty on a societal level has changed, I think the ideal woman has been constant for thousands of years. Child bearing hips, a healthy strong frame, a big enough chest to produce adequate milk for children, etc etc. It all leads back to that eventually. Our attraction has utility, just like all of our other emotions and feelings
@@GlorifiedGremlin its not a last few decades thing. As soon as people have enough wealth whatever is imformed by evolution loses ground. The evolutionary ideal man or woman hasn't been relevant for royals for hundreds if not thousands of years. The only novelty of the last hundred years is that the wealth that was only in the domain of royalty before has expanded down to even the poor of developed nations. Regardless, what has been atractive historically isn't really relevant to me now in modern times and every thing you described is the ideal woman is far from the rule now. Neither is the evolutionary ideal man. Joe brought up two great examples of men that are considered very atractive to women that aren't close to being the same type of guy, Jason Mamoa and Harry Styles. You can't have both of those guys being comparable with just natural explanations.
I was born with cancer that has left my eyes asymetrical after radiation treatment, and I have no money. I'm blind now as of two years ago, and I live with my 82 year old mother. Ladies. Give me a ring.
Work par time at a gym. Eat protein discounted from said gym. And eat healthy food (not expensive) lift weights. Haircut and other grooming things. Educate yourself. Do this, and you’ll give yourself a much better shot. With love ❤️
@@sethmaginnipig1801 I have a airdyne exercise bike, and an olympic weight bench. it's all I do anymore. it's all I have left, really. I'm a beacon of positivity, look out. I might run you over. Or, I might walk in to a wall, one of the two.
I dated a chic that was bi-polar. She cheated on me first. beautiful 5'10, athletic women. She became addicted to attention and the D. After we broke up, she cheated on several of her BFs with me. She was probably one of the worst mistakes of my life dating her into college. My dad warned me of her bi-polar and I ignored it. He said to move on. I did not. Little did I know, he failed to tell me that he was diagnosed with bi-polar as well. She got wild. I mean real wild. paid for her mistakes in many ways but also fell vitcim to rape a couple times and never prosecuted. now she raises a LGBTQ trans girl. girl wanting to be a guy. whatayaknow... . I only post this because people need help. spot it early. get them help. be supportive or move on if you can't and let someone else in that can. Don't drag it out as you'll just hurt both parties.
Thats why I taught my son to think with his Brain and not his Dick . All i had to do was point out his Mother and how bad choices can result in a Lifetime of grief and abuse .
Damn man, your may not realize it but your anecdote can be read as insulting to a whole bunch of people. your story is insulting to your dad who has Bipolar disorder, to the young woman you dated and suffered from bi polar disorder, (some would say you may have taken advantage of her manic states by contributing to her infidelity of her other partners, knowing whay you already knew) and finally you are implying that being LGBTQ and a child looking to transition is on the some diagnosis spectrum as bipolar disorder. Im sorry this woman whom was suffering from a very chaotic disorder hurt you and left a great deal of trauma on your heart but try to be respectful of someone'sebtal health.
Thanks to modern times, and the internet. Knowing this information is very valuable for men. I’m never getting married, as I see the relationship market only getting worse for most of us.
Excuse me ? You do realize he also talked about why men cheat, and it has been proven over and over again that men cheat more then women. This info is actually more valuable to women, as it seems men will cheat simply because they have an opportunity.
@@haselbasil2488u do realize women are better at hiding cheating than men u also realize that women can commit paternity fraud and deceive or force a man into raising another mans child The fact that u got offended by ops comment tells me u have a lot of things to hide
Watching this on spotify currently and I'm not gonna say joe wasn't listening but idk if he was really paying attention he ended up respecting this guy with different world all throughout this
@@RPMT excellent, I see Roger Devlin-sadly, somebody very rare to see. his few essays could be made into content for your channel, there is serious lack of media to introduce people his ideas. his writings are banned; his name is shadowbanned, etc...
There’s so many possibilities as to why this happens and the majority is more than likely situation based. I’d would think for the most part is because they need something they’re not getting at home. Affection, attention, sex etc
@Enigma just look up Patrice Oneal Fish bot or the opie and anthony interview patrice vs Dr. V lol, he talks about that more than any other subject frfr so you should find a wealth of resources should you wish to sink deep into his philosophy specifically on the topic lol but frfr
"They put a gun to the pussy and threaten to kill it unless we listen to their insane nonsense." Man, Patrice just spat fact after fact with absolutely no remorse. Rest in peace, king.
Just a fun little fact/note, at 4:10 David states, suffered "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". This is actually a direct quote from Shakespeare's Hamlet, from Hamlets famous 'To Be or Not to Be' speech, in which he is contemplating whether or not to commit suicide. David is clearly a fan of English literature.
It's sexual attraction towards others that causes infidelity. It's not real complicated. Just animal desires and instincts, and whether we give in to them or not.
Sometimes both are the same and they just get bored, lose respect, or become spiteful of the person most invested in them and often just dont want to put in the work of maintaining the relationship.
The mate-switching idea is so simple, but so obvious. Women who cheat are the ones who are in some way financially or logistically dependent on the current relationship. Highly educated, independent, and financially stable women don’t seem to cheat. They just leave. I think the lesson here is that as a guy, you cannot and should not rest on your laurels just because you think a girl won’t leave you because she needs you. I honestly empathize with females in that position who are in shitty relationships but do not have the power/independence to leave them in a dignified way. Having said that… there’s plenty of women who “stay” with a guy they don’t want for trivial luxuries and just for the ability to continue living above their means (instead of supporting a kid for example). So, there is a fairly broad spectrum of ethics in infidelity
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I have been really enjoying listening to joe rogans podcast lately! Its great for when your driving through work shifts or settling down with a beer or waking up and having coffee for me. its very mellow and intellectually refreshing to hear the different points brought up in conversation by both Joe and his guests. No wonder why its one of the largest podcasts in the world.
I used to speed on the way to and from work. It happens less and less when i listen to Jre. It's so much more productive too than just listening to music or silly radio
First off, let me say I'm not denying the importance of fidelity in many key senses. However, unconsciously, people like Rogan, look at things in an overly deontological way. This is a Western Jedeo Christian malaise and is demonstrative of a lack of comprehension of the true higher God and spirit. (yet the West tends to distort things which are deontologically irrevocable, such as your biology). Of course, there is a positive side to the deontological quest, as this guest makes many rational, well researched points. It's merely that it's also necessary to have grey areas and 'the open cup ready to be filled'. Deontological thinking without explanation, nuance or unending new possibility, is also a sign of diminished IQ (think rednecks who can only repeat Bible verses with the epistemology that 'its true because it's true' rationale). In other words, the Western Judaic deontological quest (although I'd suggest the pre Christian Western ancients had a far more advanced thinking methodology) can be to generate an unending stream of rules merely as a way to prop up your sense of self. You are a hero in your own mind, and sometimes other people's minds (those with a diminished IQ) merely if you can say 'I made this rule, and it's a rule because it's cool' and boy oh boy does this allow extremists to come up with some bonkers rules. 'You can't say XYZ about XYZ group and this absolutely, deontologically true' as is one Woke idea, for example, which I would strongly suggest comes from Yahwism, the irony being that so many Yahwist cultures consider themselves to be 'free thinking'. Clue, they are often not as free thinking as they believe. At all. This is also why most of the world see the West as 'preachy' but simultaneously hypocritical. It's because anyone can make a set of rules which sets someone up (for warfare, regime change, cancelling etc) whilst you yourself nonchalantly break a whole array of other what might be arbitrary rules, which another person could easily ad hoc generate, as a form of 'superiority chess'. Now, this may seem a controversial place to say it, on a video about relationships and fidelity, an area where a certain degree of deontology is not bad, but it's nonetheless the case that Yahwism (the unconscious thinking pattern behind much Western thinking including both woke and far right philosophy) cannot handle nuance. What if a couple decides to have an open relationship, for example, and neither feels and remorse or distaste for the situation? Certainly from a Yahwist 'traditional' perspective, this can't be possible (in fact, such a thing would be punishable by stoning when Jawism was at it's barbaric apex). What about Pagan times when people followed far looser conceptions of god, with regards to relationships, which never meant that wedlock nor out of wedlock relationships were a sign of moral impropriety (the opinion most sane people hold today) People will say I am presenting a 'liberal' perspective by saying that not all people want to be in the same style of relationship, or that I am poo pooing traditionalism, but this is idiocy. Not everything is and/or, that's this hypocritical Western deontology for low IQ individuals. I'd imagine that Rogan is aware, for example, that many countries following the strong Judaic deontological quest, believe that pot smokers should be severely punished (time in prison and in certain circumstances, execution). The point is not what is correct/incorrect on this particular topic. Of course, cheating is hurtful if it is two people together who have made a strong bond of commitment. Of course traditional coupling is the very bread and butter of one generation spawning another. This is NOT my key point. My point is more general in observation of the pattern of many 'unravelling the Matrix' Western social media commentators. Rogan, like others, is part of the malaise of Yahwist thinking (unconsciously of course) which is the progenitor philosophy of both woke and extreme right ideology. In Yahwist cultures, saying 'I came up with this new rule' is the peak of showing your status (ironic when the Yahwist cultures tend to have 'belief in discussion' high on their list of ideals) Can an evolutionary biologist help people to stay together and love eachother for all eternity? It might happen, but God (the real God) is God. It is more nuanced and is seeking more understanding than you think than mere rules.
I think upbringing and belief systems for both males and females would play a major part. I believe the decision whether or not to have an affair would be determined by how much they respect, value and care about the other persons mental and emotional state.
a man can respect value and everything but if there is no s3x time to go nockn.. I only say that because ton of lame women out there expect the husbands to be hermits until they decide to have s3x in maybe 3-6-9 months, hon put up or shut up, if your husband wonders somewhere else you better be understanding
Dr. David Buss.. the Legend. It took me about 2 years to learn everything that I wasn't taught about the female nature. From a soft perspective, it sure hurts a lot for a man to embrace that females will always seek ought bigger better plan of a man. Those beta boy days are far gone from my consciousness where it took the harsh way to appreciate reality. I'm on my Thanos mode, reality can be often disappointing. But, a man shouldn't be surprised not even since the beginning of Adam & Eve. Marital rates in the US and breakup rates in the US? It shows how crumbling of a society we are. At this point, women cheat if not equally or more than men.
Woman definitely cheat as much as man,the impact will be far more hurtful for the man if she cheat,it benefits the man who she cheats with while hurt the man who got cheated
People make the mistake of marrying people that are prepared to have sex before actually getting to know each other. Enduring relationships are based on respect and understanding, add sexual chemistry into the mix and you've got a good chance. But getting to know someone AFTER you've begun a sexual relationship, IMO, seldom lasts.
You can have sexual chemistry and know the person and discover he/she is a great one. It is not that rigid of a rule, it is not set and engraved in stone. That's why you don't marry immediately, you share with that person over the years and get to know each other deeply first. It has nothing to do with when does the intimate relationship happen. 🤔
As a woman- and of course I cant speak for all women but Im sure this is the case for a good amount of both men and women- I think the root of cheating is mostly when the current relationship has both parties unhappy whether they admit it or not, and an affair is a way to test drive someone else's compatibility or even singledom. Most female friends I've had have not cheated because of some physical genetic markers, but because of emotional attachment to the other person that grew. This probably sounds commonsense but just wanted to be one of the few female commenters here who can corroborate what he's saying, at least from personal anecdotes
Noooooo, dumb explanation - here's why. Your female friends are only looking at men of a certain caliber of genetic markers. Women already rate 80% of men as below average - what does that tell you other than that women are bad at math? She's only going to develop emotional attachments to men that are above average (top 20%) in genetics. And Buss was right (more right) the first time, dual mating strategy is a better explanation than mate switching.
Love seeing women give explanations regarding things directly related to women. What you’re saying makes sense. I’d add that the age factor will affect the reasons ect. Women in the 20’s might have very different reasons for cheating then women in their 40’s. Enjoyed your comment
But they are far more likely to develop the emotional attachments with attractive men. Women are not very self aware when it comes to the reasons they are REALLY attracted to certain men.
Men cheating is different than women. It's a number thing for us and we have favorite. Men have a main girl but she can be replaced by a younger woman who is just as smart and funny as her current old lady😂. Woman want one man, they fall in love with one dude. Ask any woman who their favorite boyfriend was, a majority would say he was a asshole but he did something to her that make her feel like a woman. In conclusion women are dumb and its not their fault
You'll find the woman (or women) you want, you just gotta change what you're doing. Or take advice from guys who are exceptionally well at dating. On youtube, Alex from Playing With Fire is a great example
I need to thank the guy that cheated with my exwife and married her. It hurt at first but I got over it. Eighteen months later my exwife tried to sleep with me when I went to see my kid. Her husband was away in the military and I told her hell no. Found out he left her and filled for divorce. What was he thinking marrying a cheater. I am sure he caught her and saw signs of cheating just like I did. Now I am married to a great women, we have a kid, and we are doing well financially.
Ultimate karma. All men need to remember this. Key is like you did, keep improving. Don’t let the break up destroy your confidence and life
Amen brother… but keep them antennae up
i had a kid with a women who admitted to cheating before i even gave her the ring. She swore up and down that she'd never do it again and it was so aweful..i was too in love with this beautiful woman (i liked her accent too) that i ignored the red flags...she indeed did not learn and cheated on my around the time our son turned 1. She hasnt been able to hold down a man since (3 years later). Once a cheater, always a cheater i fully believe now
monogomy doesnt work because humans are not lifelong monogous and men have always cheated the only differnce is wom@n cheating rates have increased significantly along with divorce rates
And admitted he still doesn’t have all the answers either 🤣 no one will ever understand
" A male friend to a woman is a dick in a glass case.. in case of emergency break glass" - Chris Rock
i realized this about some of my female friends... had to cut them off out of respect for their husbands
Superb!!!
Emergency? Male friend equals good dick without commitment. Like he explained. Women want stability and taken care of. The male friend is either someone who can't provide or is not willing to commit.
@@bernardwinkletoes4981 My friend with benefits got married and tried to keep our thing going. The look of despair in her husband's face when she invited me to one of their parties made me cut all communication.
@@bernardwinkletoes4981 what did you realize, did they try something with you?
It all comes down to discipline. If you’re attractive it’s even more difficult because you will be tempted. Having the strength to say “no” to someone who you are attracted to because you are already in a relationship will be difficult but it’s your duty to do so. It’s not just relationships, it’s everything in life. You sacrifice fun for studies and career, you sacrifice tasty food to stay fit, you sacrifice fun to raise children. It’s not super natural people you just have to be strong and learn to not cave to every damn desire that comes your way. If you cheat, you’re weak. It’s strength and discipline, very simple.
This is the best answer
Excellent answer
Rubbish
Agreed.
There are many people out there that are simply not attracted to others while in love with someone. I'm like that. So cheating wouldn't even be a possbility on my end.
Have broke it off with girls who confessed their attractions towards other guys.
If you're romantically and / or physically attracted to others while in a commited relationship then bye bye 👋🏼
Can't believe my professor is on JRE. haha Hell yea Dr. Buss.
His book is "The Evolution of Desire"
I crossed referenced you ip addresses location and then your previous home addresses. You weren’t ever near this man a day in your life
@@andersonwonder9357😂😂😂😂
I dont believe any study that depends on women selfreporting. Even when they participating anonymiously. They give socially acceptable answers or answer what they think other women answer.
they can measure women’s physiological responses to male images. they don’t need self reported data
The blue hairs won’t like this one chief
You can remove the word women from that statement.
And we allow them to vote, jk voting makes no real difference
@@Ikilledthebanks based
Don't cheat on your partner, it's causes severe mental distress.. if you don't want to be with the person just break up
Women don't think like that. They act on emotion before rationality.
It's mostly the alcohol that's the problem
@@JEREMY99218 that’s because our society doesn’t have punishments in place like we have for men…If you’re married and she does it you should be able to divorce without giving her anything..something where she realizes she will have consequences and decide she shouldn’t
Amen to that!
@@JEREMY99218 Don't be an incel, Jeremy.
Never understood why people cheat on each other, if your unhappy.....end the relationship. It's happened to me, I walked away without feeling any anger, betrayal, hurt or wanting vengeance.
Did you learn what the Dr said he says.
I rejected a guy I didn’t even know. He never approached me. He harassed, stalked, bullied, held me back and locked me in the house for years. Never knew him. Never dated him. Never liked him. He wasted 7 years of my life for NOTHING!
He was in my way, removing everything that brought me happiness. Intruded in my love life, social life, job prospects and every minute thing. He told my friends not to see me or invite me. And they didn’t. He hacked my mobile. He talks about MGTOW but he was in my way, at the expense of his own progress. He literally created a criminal record for himself.
Women often cheat out of resentment.
Well, they fester resentment, let it build to anger then to entitlement and victimhood THEN they cheat and feel no need for remorse.
It's a process that results in accountability only being placed on the guy they cheated on.
But if you listen to clip, typically men don't have to be unhappy to cheach
This is all made up@@Ashnesss
If they'll cheat for you, they'll cheat on you.
Debatable lol
@@SpiralKingJahmy GF has admitted to cheating on every single one of her former partners after she admitted to cheating on me.
@@reginaldbowls7180
Spots and leopards
Players get played……
Oh , and also, “No loyalty among thieves”
This man made a whole career in studying the foreign and incomprehensible species known as women, mad respect.
Maybe there is something to gender studies courses....
And still didn't get how his wife was mad, probably 😂
I think you mean sub-species
And still found a way to make excuses for why they cheat.
And he's failed miserably.
Hey Doc, it's called monkey branching and some meathead explained it to me 10 years ago. Monkeys never let go of one branch until they're holding onto another branch that can support them.
😂 so funny that any guy out here dating knew all this shit 10+ years ago
The egg heads finally catching up acting like they discovered electricity 😂
This is exactly why university and these professors are the greatest jokes on this earth. They spend years of their lives observing, collecting data and writing thesis’s on the machinations of this world that any normal blue collar person could summate in like 3 sentences. They are the greatest frauds ever.
Theres a lot of rubbish justifying females cheating on men lately. How pathetic we have become.
Aka Female Hypergamy/MaleHypergamy
I use this analogy for women as well. On the other hand men have dog bowling. A dog will turn up his nose to a healthy bowl of food (a great gal) until another dog comes in and starts eating it. Then it's the best dish on the menu and it's all they can think about.
It’s honestly the name of the game. Dating is probably the most primal thing about being a human being. I’ve had girls break up with guys to be with me, and I’ve had the same girl leave me for a new guy. They are brutal and it’s at a primal level. It’s almost like they can’t even control it. It has always caused me to remain cautious and pretty much avoid becoming too attached or emotionally invested into any woman.
Thats sad
Is it really like that ...I find so many women living with mates much lower than them on socio economic strata ...Women usually do not do that in happy marriages
when you stop chasing women that's when women start chasing you @@sidhnaagambedkar5419
im so high rn
@@sidhnaagambedkar5419You miss the part of the video about genes and the dual mating strategy. Women can be attracted to a provider but not necessarily sexually and on the other hand if a guy has good genes but he’s broke he’s still going to clap cheeks.
Great interview and information. I had a few classes with David's father, Dr. Arnold Buss, at UT Austin.
My neighbor ran around on his wife, even named his first child after his girlfriend, then found out his wife had been running around on HIM the whole time. Sad for their two kids.
@@glorifygod1480 your not going to convince anyone by copy and pasting bible versus in TH-cam comments
There's a geometric beauty in the fact that your neighbor named his wife's lover's child after his own girlfriend.
Most people who get married should never marry anybody. Just a simple truth.
@@chickentoucher55 Jai gaand ji ki
That first child might have been the other guy’s!
Found out my wife has been having a affair for four months. Kicked her out and got the house and primary custody of kids. 😎
congrats on custody dude!
👏🏼
Now she can become a strong independent woman!
Very rare win for all males.
@@EvilMAiq Losing your kids and not having a home is the opposite of Independent lol She's just going to be dependent on others and hurt them down the line
My brothers ex wife cheated on him and filed for divorce, fast forward 15 years shes now about 80 lbs overweight, broke living with her parents, and my nephew said she got arrested for DUI 😂😂😂, oh its music to my ears, I never liked her anyway
As JoJo Siwa said. “Karmas a BEITCH”
Lets goo
Hey Professor Buss! I took your Evolutionary Psychology class at the University of Texas at Austin in 2000. Fun class and I still remember your entertaining lectures.
When I learned about this subject matter while studying Biology in college, it permanently tainted my ability to fully embrace romance and relationships, having seen how fundamentally primal and opportunistic the game is.
You just need one who doesnt do things just because they feel like it then and there, its not uncommon past your teens
Since Ancient Greece people have been trying to thwart their animal nature. There’s good reason for it, because it can yield far greater rewards than succumbing to baser instincts.
Men are primal, and women are fundamental to making a good man. The thing people dont talk about anymore is what makes a good woman. People now believe a man can be one. But it's visa versa because a good man creates a good woman, and a good woman creates a good man. Mother's and fathers creating stoic and balanced people by role.
Welcome to reality
@@mattbritzius570 it’s impossible
Nowadays, I'd say social media is one of the main problems.
Makes everything so easy for those willing.
and able. I am average to ugly so it tends to just be rejection squared. Confidience is sexy, sure, but it only goes so far.
*for women
easy for the top 10% of men and the top 90% of women
Makes everything easy for women. It has been devastating for a larger group of lonely men.
@@jasonolinger7585 100% accurate.
Thanks for the uplifting comments.
I’m a just stay single. It’s lonely sometimes but I have a great family, good friends, a house with just me in it that I can come and go as I please and I don’t have to worry about getting chewed out or cheated on. Sure it’s lonely, but my God, is it ever peaceful.
This man has a kind, gentle yet strong way about him. I recently became a father and strive every day to carry myself in this manner.
Congrats. My daughters dad use to be an uptight A hole but when she was born, he softened. I bet your child has a great dad
He's like if Ted Danson was a scientist
He doesn’t explain things as clearly as others. He seems to be in a brain fog.
I think it’s because Joe has had so much smarter people on here that can explain better.
Joe Rogan: "Sir can you hold on for 1 second. Jamie, find out what my wife is doing right now"
Yeah, pull her up Jamie please.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Sends his security team of ex.navy seals to get her
Fuckin a bear
The biggest problem with humanity as a whole is it's almost impossible to quantify pettiness, spite and selfishness from person to person until its too late. The more we internalize such negative aspect's absent the ability to reflect on their inherent dangers the more toxic we become. This is legit how many documented serial killers are created both male and female.
Ted bundy aspd
Damn. He does have a point on assymetry. The moment my face got injured it dropped off and guess she aint a patient person. He also coulda mentioned that birth control can change a womans entire spectrum of who theyre attracted to so one could go on the pill say post pregnancy and suddenly be repulsed by the husband and want the opposite attraction wise. Never met many that stop to ask why they feel something, just THAT they feel something is reason enough.
I can't say the same about my face but I started to go bald around age 27. My wife divorced me a couple years later.
As depressing as it is - women don't budge on genetics, even the shit that's out of your control.
@@PlayStationElation00 cept for money
@@PlayStationElation00 yea she was like damn those are not good genes. gotta play it off by pretending u like the bald look, or just get a good girlfriend, but you gotta find her when ur bald
Well it's the same for men. When they are down and in dark spot, no women is asking why. They just leave because they lost attraction.
@@nieczerwony or dude with a trust fund and local fame for being sht at rap.
Man this conversation is the epitome of why I love Joe Rogan. This guy is super interesting and we just get to listen in on a conversation that Joe would probably have in a private space, or really any one of us would have with this guy. Thanks for letting us all experience this conversation Joe
@@gezenews 😂😂😂😂
Dr. Buss has done a lot of great research but you need to read the Rational Male book series (by Rollo Tomassi) if you want some honest analysis and applications of this research. Dr. Buss has gotten some heat from feminists and other woke mobsters so he has to try to be politically correct.
That’s why it’s called the joe rogan experience. It’s pretty amazing
One interesting hypothesis that pops up when hearing peoples reasoning for cheating is that men seems to be able to love women unconditionally. Men cheat because of their animalistic instincts, unconditioned by how their relationship is going. It's as if men are happy as long as they can protect their mate and the offspring and are willing to sacrifice their happiness. For women it's a bit opposite, if they don't feel love they cheat.
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I found out my wife was cheating on me last week, and it has devastated me. I had a home and a family, and now it's all been taken from me. How could someone I love so completely do something so horrible?
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sorry to hear man, trust me it'll get bro
Don’t turn back brother keep moving forward
Best advise is go be with whoever you want cause if your not cheating she will be or visa versa...
I hope she burn in hell brother.
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Fuck! Thank you joe for pushing back on what he is saying!
This is how we got here in the first place.
Genetics, biology, science doesn't excuse right out bad behavior and selfishness whether your male or female
When men cheat, women say "there is no excuse big enough to cheat on your wife!"
But when women cheat, women say, "What did he do to make her cheat on him?"
THE END.
he needs rollo tomassi
One sided
@@alexanderlionhart284 duh. That's how women are lol
This is a very good observation.
@@larry7868 it’s called a generalization bud
My grandmother used to say “women fall in love with their ears… Men with their eyes“
sounds like a smart lady.
@@sole__doubt sounds entirely true to me. Although the beginning often can come from the eyes, though it’s less long lasting than a man’s “eye decisions”
That's why women wear makeup and men lie.
Women aren't capable of love beyond their children, and some not even that.
@@ottoginafiel5468 that's just not true.
Been there. If it happened now being older and wiser I wouldn’t shed a tear. People do what they do. I’d move right on. Life’s short.
The variety motive is spot on
The Evolution of Desire is one of my favorite books. Excited for this one!
From my limited life experience, the male vs. female reasons for infidelity that David describes here is a hundred percent right. One female that I used to know comes to mind because she never ended a relationship, instead of breaking up with a guy she just moved on to someone new, but she made sure it was obvious to old guy that there was a new sheriff in town. I watched her do this a number of times.
That is a POS thing to do to someone
I fully understand why the Arabs control female sexuality strictly. And I now agree with them largely. Westerners can cry about it.
Trauma, simple! Daddy and mummy issues. And so does everyone have. All she had to do was forgive
@@celinamilian it goes back to simple biology, maybe not in the OPs case but most women are very agreeable, breaking up with someone is ugly, painful, and the dumper has the burden of being portrayed as the bad guy. Most Women would rather cut off a finger than put themselves in that position, plus in the interim of breaking up to getting a new guy, they need a place to stay, as most women can’t or don’t support themselves- so they cheat. It’s like ripping off the band aid (and slapping the man while you do it), but many women can rationalize it enough that it feels easier than just breaking up. Same reason guys will break up over a text- easier. It’s 1000% better than cheating, but to women, there may as well be no difference at all.
She just sounds like a sociopath with insufficient self-esteem to weather being single for a short time.
It doesn't matter why people cheat, it's wrong no matter what
the last bit was very helpful
I disagree with the premise that infidelity is more socially devastating for women than men. My first wife was unfaithful and after our divorce had a string of relationships including at least one more marriage which devolved. She has done very well for herself socially and financially. In fact. There are people in the community to this day who will not speak to me because they are convinced I was the villain. I find my type of story to be very common.
Correct. Buss is looking at things historically and ignoring the reality today.
A cheating woman can easily end up in a better position by monkey branching or moving to skirt the shame. And usually the man is blamed for the divorce.
Men pay the real price, often financially devastated.
This angers me, being punished for being loyal.
My ex-wife cheated on me, and I discovered it like 7 months later. Initially I was the "bad guy" for neglecting and abusing her. Well in their eyes, my ex-wife was an angel and so, it couldn't have been her. Maybe I did something wrong? Rumors was going around saying maybe I beat her. Or cheated. Or neglected her. Nope. I was 100% faithful, loyal and looked after her and her family. I never shouted at her and was always open/nice. One day I just had enough and I just told her family and her friend the truth about what happened. Eg. me discovering this and that, and her talking to multiple men. Sleeping with them. Skipping work to be with them. Because I had helped them so much over the years and was always nice and honest to them, they believed me. They couldn't believe their daughter/friend had cheated. Now she is dating some rich businessman, who is also cheating on his wife with her. That was last I heard 2-3 years ago. My ex for the first year of divorce, still kept messaging me and trying to act like friends. Telling me everything. I put a stop to that and said no we can't be friends. I wanted to move on. Not be an emotional wreck every time she messaged me. I loved her and probably still do. But the woman I loved no longer exists. She has now completely changed, visually (brown to blonde hair now, lost weight, wears more revealing clothes now) and mentally different. Maybe she had always wanted to be a ho but couldn't while in a marriage. One thing though, she was a sex addict and would demand it daily. If she couldn't get it daily, she would get pissed off. Maybe this had something to do with it. Not to say that women with high sex drive can be cheaters, but I've also dated a girl in the past with also a similar sex drive. Also ended up cheating. Now I'm kind of wary of girls with high sex drives lol. The girl I'm currently with, has a regular sex drive and does not demand it daily.
You disagree with the premise cause of your anegdotal story
@@karljonson3287 How is cheating socially devastating for the woman? Her friends don't need to know that she cheated. She already got her reasons and can just tell them anything. Same with her family. If she found a more better man (financially, social status and appearance), then she essentially upgraded without much damage being caused.
When you're a grown mature adult, you learn to communicate and end the relationship rather than cause drama. Cheating is not the answer and doesn't correct things, just hurts the other person.
Some people who feel disrespected or belittled by their partner intentionally cheat to hurt them. You are looking at it from a neutral perspective and relationships are not always neutral.
Say that again louder for the women to hear.
Because they want to have their cake and eat it too. Some people are just narcissistic. They also have little to no respect for their partner’s intelligence because they think that their partner is too stupid to find out.
@@KidPoe The vast majority of women are narcissists if that's the case
@@kaj7135 But mostly for the MEN to hear, since they cheat significantly MORE than women do.
In all my life never heard story of anyone who cheated had great future romantic relationships. They either cheated again on the new partner or got cheated on. Don't do it or stay away from relationships, SIMPLE.
Joe asks such great questions.
A desire for sexual variety seems extremely embedded into my genetics. Comes sooo natural to me. Almost as if I am going against my very nature to just be with one woman. Yet I still choose to be with one woman and fight strongly against my impulses. I choose discipline. Too bad most other people can’t follow suit.
U either live life or the life lives you. Good luck ig
So long as you set the expectation from the start of the relationship that cheating for men is normal and ok and cheating for women abhorrent, disgusting, then when you do cheat it's expected and they care much less. So long as you have your shit together and are respectful about it, she ain't gonna care if you have a side piece.
@@ArcaneEiro 😂 foreal. Sounds bad but I think both men and women need to get it out of their system sooner than later.
@@xgtwb6473 what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. It is either wrong for both, or right for both.
I respect you sir
Made myself listen to the whole podcast and was pleasantly surprised! "Accepting the data even when it goes against your narrative"- Great statement! This conversation was so refreshing.
he needs rollo tomassi
how does listening to human, especially female nature go against your narrative? Facts get too real there for you?
So what have you learned about women?
This guy also has great books!
An evolutionary psychologist just confirmed what I already know. Sometimes you don't need statistics or studies to be done for what you can see with your own eyes.
A lot of what this guy says makes sense to me.. it doesn't accurately predict this for everyone but he's definitely right on a lot here..I had my own experience with women and I always saw that my women would always get propositioned all the time, and I didn't always get cheated on but I knew that another guy was always around the corner waiting to replace me..
Yeah my girlfriend gets hit on all the time, everywhere. She sees other men as NPCs.
That’s what true love is when you’re her best option, you treat her special, all other men are just like inanimate blobs with no potential to arouse her
Does she treats you the same though? Or is it enough for you that she doesn’t cheat(according to you)
@@josueescobar8968 not sure what you mean exactly, I have had a lot of women in my life and none have been the same, if you want an example of one relationship then yes she treated me the same, she treated me good actually.
I don't know how someone can be OK with cheating because I never was and would bring this up in any relationship, communicating is important if you never talk you would never find out how people feel.
@@DeltaPKA sorry, my question was directed to the person who replied to you lol. But yeah I agree with what you said. communication is key.
@@josueescobar8968 yeah my girlfriend treats me as her king.
I’m literally her best option.
Imagine you have your dream job. That’s how she treats me as a man would treat his dream job. Thats the best analogy I can think of.
She knows I get hit on a lot too (although indirectly). She knows she could lose me if she doesn’t act right.
She tells me she would never find anyone better and would be devastated and not even try to date other people if I broke up with her. You can’t just readily find a man like me anywhere. I have everything set up in my life perfectly and have insanely high sex appeal and game
The mate switching is totally true. My fiancée monkeybranched and then cheated on me. She was talking to him for months and then had the affair, about zero sympathy for me after the fact
@@MakeMoneyOnlineWithEmma it's because they plan it months ahead of time
Nice. Such is the beauty of love. It is fleeting. Like life, the best parts of it are temporary.
You dodge a bullet dude but also no woman who cheats is actually sorry some just pretend
@@MakeMoneyOnlineWithEmmaall my life basically at this point it's actually frightening how cold and heartless they can be when they decide they are "over" you
We are all just animals & it’s just mating. Loving someone is the same as getting used to someone. It’s all it is imo. Take your heart out of it. Focus on creating a craft that can travel the speed of light so we can explore the universe further out.
It's just lust and an inability to control yourself for both male and female. It's not strategic or thought out. You're either a decent person who can control yourself and keep your promises and commitments or you're not.
A simple truth
I completely agree! People who truly love their spouse do not cheat.
It's not that simple, there're so many variables In that arch of a situation or scenarios...
@@mindhunter8772 That is only the case if you throw away your moral compass to pick up a treasure map.
@@mindhunter8772 I believe insecurity is a variable. Some people are so convinced that their partner is/will cheat that they do it first.
Researcher is 100% correct.
Truth is he’s telling us what we’ve already know or already suspected. I know i’ve known this for a long time now
Female's Cheat way more than Men do why because they can have any Man they want if they are good looking intelligent, stable funny and a woman knows that she can turn heads she uses this to her advantage they will start off faithful but soon become board with there mate sexually and will cheat on there Man and still stay with there Man for stability finances or just feel they can have the best of both worlds as long as he doesn't find out that's the truth....
Something i dont see mentioned much is the FEAR of being cheated on.
Both men and women obviously have this fear, a strategy to protect ones heart is to remain in a state of mind that keeps your defences up, that state of mind makes you less bonded to the person so it’ll hurt less if cheated on, but also makes you more likely to then cheat yourself. Ive know many people that seem to me to be using this strategy
no fear. free pass to move on.
First off, let me say I'm not denying the importance of fidelity in many key senses. However, unconsciously, people like Rogan, look at things in an overly deontological way. This is a Western Jedeo Christian malaise and is demonstrative of a lack of comprehension of the true higher God and spirit. (yet the West tends to distort things which are deontologically irrevocable, such as your biology).
Of course, there is a positive side to the deontological quest, as this guest makes many rational, well researched points. It's merely that it's also necessary to have grey areas and 'the open cup ready to be filled'.
Deontological thinking without explanation, nuance or unending new possibility, is also a sign of diminished IQ (think rednecks who can only repeat Bible verses with the epistemology that 'its true because it's true' rationale). In other words, the Western Judaic deontological quest (although I'd suggest the pre Christian Western ancients had a far more advanced thinking methodology) can be to generate an unending stream of rules merely as a way to prop up your sense of self.
You are a hero in your own mind, and sometimes other people's minds (those with a diminished IQ) merely if you can say 'I made this rule, and it's a rule because it's cool' and boy oh boy does this allow extremists to come up with some bonkers rules. 'You can't say XYZ about XYZ group and this absolutely, deontologically true' as is one Woke idea, for example, which I would strongly suggest comes from Yahwism, the irony being that so many Yahwist cultures consider themselves to be 'free thinking'. Clue, they are often not as free thinking as they believe. At all.
This is also why most of the world see the West as 'preachy' but simultaneously hypocritical. It's because anyone can make a set of rules which sets someone up (for warfare, regime change, cancelling etc) whilst you yourself nonchalantly break a whole array of other what might be arbitrary rules, which another person could easily ad hoc generate, as a form of 'superiority chess'.
Now, this may seem a controversial place to say it, on a video about relationships and fidelity, an area where a certain degree of deontology is not bad, but it's nonetheless the case that Yahwism (the unconscious thinking pattern behind much Western thinking including both woke and far right philosophy) cannot handle nuance.
What if a couple decides to have an open relationship, for example, and neither feels and remorse or distaste for the situation? Certainly from a Yahwist 'traditional' perspective, this can't be possible (in fact, such a thing would be punishable by stoning when Jawism was at it's barbaric apex).
What about Pagan times when people followed far looser conceptions of god, with regards to relationships, which never meant that wedlock nor out of wedlock relationships were a sign of moral impropriety (the opinion most sane people hold today)
People will say I am presenting a 'liberal' perspective by saying that not all people want to be in the same style of relationship, or that I am poo pooing traditionalism, but this is idiocy. Not everything is and/or, that's this hypocritical Western deontology for low IQ individuals. I'd imagine that Rogan is aware, for example, that many countries following the strong Judaic deontological quest, believe that pot smokers should be severely punished (time in prison and in certain circumstances, execution).
The point is not what is correct/incorrect on this particular topic. Of course, cheating is hurtful if it is two people together who have made a strong bond of commitment. Of course traditional coupling is the very bread and butter of one generation spawning another. This is NOT my key point. My point is more general in observation of the pattern of many 'unravelling the Matrix' Western social media commentators. Rogan, like others, is part of the malaise of Yahwist thinking (unconsciously of course) which is the progenitor philosophy of both woke and extreme right ideology. In Yahwist cultures, saying 'I came up with this new rule' is the peak of showing your status (ironic when the Yahwist cultures tend to have 'belief in discussion' high on their list of ideals)
Can an evolutionary biologist help people to stay together and love eachother for all eternity? It might happen, but God (the real God) is God. It is more nuanced and is seeking more understanding than you think than mere rules.
Seriously, my husband has been visiting massage parlors and sleeping with prostitutes for the last 15 months. I found out last month. We've been married for 6 months. We've been together for 5 years. I do worry that he'll cheat again. He's been the best person in my life until I found out. I honestly had no idea. I was completely destroyed by all this. I do love him but I don't like that I was fooled.
@@arianebennion he will do it again. Once a cheater cheats a big portion of the time they will again. I know this because I’ve done it myself sadly. I regret it insanely but I know each person is different but on average they will cheat again. It sucks and I hate myself for what I myself did years back but there’s times where you have to look at the bigger picture and learn to cut the line before it gets worse
@@BaphoMedia In some cases yes but not all once it sets into reality that a man will lose his children and ruin everything he was worked for to complete his family I believe some men can turn it around and change
I throughly enjoyed this conversation. Thank you, Joe and Jamie!
I'm 73 years old. That is spot on in my experience 👌
Very interesting chat. I felt glad that it justified some of my own behaviours, and confirmed that they are perfectly natural. Would love to hear more from this guy.
Please have Sarah Hill on the podcast! Hormonal forms of birth control have SO many side effects that no one talks about, including gynecologists. I would love, love, love to hear from her!
What are some of the side effects?
@@nostalgicbliss5547 crushes the sex drive of many women on it. Also, when the woman finally decides to get off it and have a child. Far greater chance of the child being gay if it happens to be a male child. 🧐
@@seansmith6516 it's simply not natural. Especially to be on it for many years. Most women complain about bad periods and it's really down to their diet and lifestyle
he needs rollo tomassi
Why her? Why not get a real expert? She'll probably be biased
Love joe take on this conversation and his ability to question it
Wow. This made sense of things I've been going through.
David buss its one of my fav psychologist
It’s also if they are not getting validation from their partner or getting needs met.. And abandonment and attraction.. because people cheat far after they already had their kids and are not seeking any more.. All I can say is if you have a good thing going with someone then Don’t Ruin it by cheating.. It’s not worth it.. Regret far outweighs loosing someone That you have been looking your whole life for
@JayGambo 🙏 Amen. Just because we have the desire doesn’t mean we should act on it. There is a reason why almost all the religions have rules about infidelity.
💯 agree this is the main reason a woman would cheat - not getting needs met, and feeling abandoned
The egg heads in the comments just seem to have woken up. This advise was apparent to anyone who had any experience with women in their life. Most women cheat because their needs are not met, the hoes will cheat regardless.
Women don't cheat. They get "entangled". LOL.
Yes! It's always something else or someone's fault. Accountability is their kryponite!
No -they cheat too! I certainly don’t understand this at all! Married over 40 -never unfaithful. Life is difficult because we humans complicate everything.
@@pgtw2376he’s just joking and making a reference to Jada Smith.
@@pgtw2376 went right over your head...
This hits hard for me because I've been cheated on before and it's really messed with my trust in others.
This guy is off his ROCKER!!!
imagine getting a PhD, becoming a renowned psychologist and author, then coming on Joe Rogan's podcast and having him tell you you're wrong lmao
It's important to challenge "right" ideas so the academic can then further explain. People who don't have an academic mind may not understand everything being said and get confused or misinterpret what's being said. It's not necessarily an insult but it can be frustrating, yeah
@@maebunny5298 When you devide women from the men and when you make them stop having their morals, society gets unstable.
You gotta challenge what sounds wrong. I'm a mere engineering graduate, and I challenged my vegan MD doctor about having unlimited fruit. Fructose causes fatty liver.
Imagine not challenging ideas because a PhD had them. Is your mind really that narrow?
And that mentality is how the majority of the population was scammed into the jibby jab. TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE!
Anything that creates mistrust is a bad decision because it cripples so many other positive possibilities.
That's what is known & still risked to fulfill a personal goal.
The efficiency of this *usespy online is next level.* To juggle walk throughs of various angles on devices delivered to-camera, differnet content per app from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself is engaging and refined access. To make a dense non tracable like this so digestible is really something. Awesome work !!!
Crazy to see my old professor on jre, very intelligent guy.
Man I love explaining modern human behavior by looking back at evolution and our time as hunter gatherers. It makes everything make so much more sense, it fits all the puzzle pieces in place
Does it really though? A good amount of stuff can be explained sure but evolutionary explanations always feel lacking when not paired with social explanations. At different points In history atractive has meant different things. We've gone from heavier women to the coke adict models amd actresses of the 90s and 2000s, from head to toe coverings to bikinis. Human advancement in society, technology and medicine adds too much to leave explanations to just evolutions.
@@Pontif11 Well I think the two are very closely interwoven with one another. Society and sociological interaction evolved alongside our physical evolution. Society was molded BY our instincts and inherent nature that we tend to tamp down today. Our sexual dimorphism alone has had an astronomical impact on sociology and society. Ignoring the absurdity of the last decade or so, our gender roles were what allowed us to divide and conquer, and become so successful. It gave us our power. And it strengthened the selective pressure for bonding and close-knit communities, all of which directly lead to virtually all societal structures ever since
@@Pontif11 And while the general idea of beauty on a societal level has changed, I think the ideal woman has been constant for thousands of years. Child bearing hips, a healthy strong frame, a big enough chest to produce adequate milk for children, etc etc. It all leads back to that eventually. Our attraction has utility, just like all of our other emotions and feelings
@@GlorifiedGremlin its not a last few decades thing. As soon as people have enough wealth whatever is imformed by evolution loses ground. The evolutionary ideal man or woman hasn't been relevant for royals for hundreds if not thousands of years. The only novelty of the last hundred years is that the wealth that was only in the domain of royalty before has expanded down to even the poor of developed nations.
Regardless, what has been atractive historically isn't really relevant to me now in modern times and every thing you described is the ideal woman is far from the rule now. Neither is the evolutionary ideal man. Joe brought up two great examples of men that are considered very atractive to women that aren't close to being the same type of guy, Jason Mamoa and Harry Styles. You can't have both of those guys being comparable with just natural explanations.
All "psychology" is "evolutionary psychology"
I was born with cancer that has left my eyes asymetrical after radiation treatment, and I have no money. I'm blind now as of two years ago, and I live with my 82 year old mother.
Ladies. Give me a ring.
Work par time at a gym. Eat protein discounted from said gym. And eat healthy food (not expensive) lift weights. Haircut and other grooming things. Educate yourself.
Do this, and you’ll give yourself a much better shot. With love ❤️
Or wait for the singularity and upload yourself into the matrix and take over the people that betrayed you and teach them a lesson
@@sethmaginnipig1801 I have a airdyne exercise bike, and an olympic weight bench. it's all I do anymore. it's all I have left, really. I'm a beacon of positivity, look out. I might run you over. Or, I might walk in to a wall, one of the two.
@@sethmaginnipig1801 “eat protein from gym” just really dumpsters your entire speech bro lol like what?
I love Joe’s stimulant of choice depending on who he’s interviewing.
Break out the psychedelics.
Rogan offering him coffee was the cutest thing I’ve ever seen
Joe had his pinky out on this one. 😂 Very cute, for sure.
Would we even mess with women if we couldn’t have sex with them? - Patrice
The goat
We need him now more than ever
If we couldn't have sex with them, they'd literally be the bottom feeders of society. Lower than animals
lmaooo
Gaaay
I dated a chic that was bi-polar. She cheated on me first. beautiful 5'10, athletic women. She became addicted to attention and the D. After we broke up, she cheated on several of her BFs with me. She was probably one of the worst mistakes of my life dating her into college. My dad warned me of her bi-polar and I ignored it. He said to move on. I did not. Little did I know, he failed to tell me that he was diagnosed with bi-polar as well. She got wild. I mean real wild. paid for her mistakes in many ways but also fell vitcim to rape a couple times and never prosecuted. now she raises a LGBTQ trans girl. girl wanting to be a guy. whatayaknow... . I only post this because people need help. spot it early. get them help. be supportive or move on if you can't and let someone else in that can. Don't drag it out as you'll just hurt both parties.
Bit weird bro
Thats why I taught my son to think with his Brain and not his Dick . All i had to do was point out his Mother and how bad choices can result in a Lifetime of grief and abuse .
Damn man, your may not realize it but your anecdote can be read as insulting to a whole bunch of people. your story is insulting to your dad who has Bipolar disorder, to the young woman you dated and suffered from bi polar disorder, (some would say you may have taken advantage of her manic states by contributing to her infidelity of her other partners, knowing whay you already knew) and finally you are implying that being LGBTQ and a child looking to transition is on the some diagnosis spectrum as bipolar disorder.
Im sorry this woman whom was suffering from a very chaotic disorder hurt you and left a great deal of trauma on your heart but try to be respectful of someone'sebtal health.
I had a relationship with a bipolar woman, I know your pain. It was a terrible period of my life.
There's not much hope for help. Get away before bad things happen to you
Thanks to modern times, and the internet. Knowing this information is very valuable for men. I’m never getting married, as I see the relationship market only getting worse for most of us.
Excuse me ? You do realize he also talked about why men cheat, and it has been proven over and over again that men cheat more then women. This info is actually more valuable to women, as it seems men will cheat simply because they have an opportunity.
@@haselbasil2488u do realize women are better at hiding cheating than men u also realize that women can commit paternity fraud and deceive or force a man into raising another mans child
The fact that u got offended by ops comment tells me u have a lot of things to hide
Watching this on spotify currently and I'm not gonna say joe wasn't listening but idk if he was really paying attention he ended up respecting this guy with different world all throughout this
So what this guy is saying is...."she belongs to the streets"
A lady in the bed but a freak in the street.
You are a scholar and a poet
@@djjukeboxhero6491 didn't even know it
Joe, thanks for having Dr. Buss on; he's definitely one of my favorite researchers and motivations for the content I create.
Agreed.
have you read Schopenhauer on women? have you read the half dozen important essays by F Roger Devlin?
@@ayyleeuz4892 Listen to my second to last video regarding 20 more quote about men and women.
@@RPMT excellent, I see Roger Devlin-sadly, somebody very rare to see. his few essays could be made into content for your channel, there is serious lack of media to introduce people his ideas. his writings are banned; his name is shadowbanned, etc...
@@RPMT maybe you look at cha dne t.o rg
Joe made a completely valid couter argument, that really should have some study given to it
oh this a good one joe i love the scienctiest in the thought process of the most beautiful creatures on earth "ladies"
I never expect anyone to be faithful
There’s so many possibilities as to why this happens and the majority is more than likely situation based. I’d would think for the most part is because they need something they’re not getting at home. Affection, attention, sex etc
Or they just have a personality disorder and need help
This podcast was bussin'
The study findings is raising more questions compared to it answering the research questions
Patrice O'Neal set the record straight on this subject years ago... R.I.P.
@Enigma just look up Patrice Oneal Fish bot or the opie and anthony interview patrice vs Dr. V lol, he talks about that more than any other subject frfr so you should find a wealth of resources should you wish to sink deep into his philosophy specifically on the topic lol but frfr
"They put a gun to the pussy and threaten to kill it unless we listen to their insane nonsense."
Man, Patrice just spat fact after fact with absolutely no remorse. Rest in peace, king.
Just a fun little fact/note, at 4:10 David states, suffered "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". This is actually a direct quote from Shakespeare's Hamlet, from Hamlets famous 'To Be or Not to Be' speech, in which he is contemplating whether or not to commit suicide. David is clearly a fan of English literature.
Nah, he was quoting Adam Sandler who was quoting William Shakespeare in Billy Madison.
my dude it is a fairly well known phrase in its own right already
It's sexual attraction towards others that causes infidelity. It's not real complicated. Just animal desires and instincts, and whether we give in to them or not.
Sometimes both are the same and they just get bored, lose respect, or become spiteful of the person most invested in them and often just dont want to put in the work of maintaining the relationship.
Could you give examples? Where should a woman start to improve herself? What do real men look for in a woman they would want to marry?
@@Xtinalace honesty, modesty so as not to embarass them, pleasentness, youthful demeanor, and at least half competent in the kitchen.
Will we ever treat women like responsible people or are we just gonna shelter them for eternity.
Same could be said about men. Let’s keep EVERYONE accountable
That would require women being accountable and responsible. So the answer is no.
Neve. They can’t handle it
@@elisaaguilar6423men are held accountable fiercly.
Who hurt you 😂
Wish joes full episodes were still on youtube
Bro spotify is free
The full Bob Lazar episode is on TH-cam. I wonder why
They are back now
The mate-switching idea is so simple, but so obvious. Women who cheat are the ones who are in some way financially or logistically dependent on the current relationship. Highly educated, independent, and financially stable women don’t seem to cheat. They just leave. I think the lesson here is that as a guy, you cannot and should not rest on your laurels just because you think a girl won’t leave you because she needs you. I honestly empathize with females in that position who are in shitty relationships but do not have the power/independence to leave them in a dignified way. Having said that… there’s plenty of women who “stay” with a guy they don’t want for trivial luxuries and just for the ability to continue living above their means (instead of supporting a kid for example). So, there is a fairly broad spectrum of ethics in infidelity
Ok so men are the ones that should work harder to keep the relationship together and that if they get cheated on it’s their fault?
@@doctordice2doctordice210you clearly didn’t comprehend what he said
Great channel and very useful recommendation, many thanks for your efforts, may i ask when setting up the mirroring device you mentioned that it has to use the same Apple ID Account (child one), but does it need the same SIM card and number ? i.e. i have to set up the two devices one after the other using same Apple ID, SIM card then do the recommended setting changes thanks to *usespy online* for the phone spying
I have been really enjoying listening to joe rogans podcast lately! Its great for when your driving through work shifts or settling down with a beer or waking up and having coffee for me. its very mellow and intellectually refreshing to hear the different points brought up in conversation by both Joe and his guests. No wonder why its one of the largest podcasts in the world.
I used to speed on the way to and from work. It happens less and less when i listen to Jre. It's so much more productive too than just listening to music or silly radio
First off, let me say I'm not denying the importance of fidelity in many key senses. However, unconsciously, people like Rogan, look at things in an overly deontological way. This is a Western Jedeo Christian malaise and is demonstrative of a lack of comprehension of the true higher God and spirit. (yet the West tends to distort things which are deontologically irrevocable, such as your biology).
Of course, there is a positive side to the deontological quest, as this guest makes many rational, well researched points. It's merely that it's also necessary to have grey areas and 'the open cup ready to be filled'.
Deontological thinking without explanation, nuance or unending new possibility, is also a sign of diminished IQ (think rednecks who can only repeat Bible verses with the epistemology that 'its true because it's true' rationale). In other words, the Western Judaic deontological quest (although I'd suggest the pre Christian Western ancients had a far more advanced thinking methodology) can be to generate an unending stream of rules merely as a way to prop up your sense of self.
You are a hero in your own mind, and sometimes other people's minds (those with a diminished IQ) merely if you can say 'I made this rule, and it's a rule because it's cool' and boy oh boy does this allow extremists to come up with some bonkers rules. 'You can't say XYZ about XYZ group and this absolutely, deontologically true' as is one Woke idea, for example, which I would strongly suggest comes from Yahwism, the irony being that so many Yahwist cultures consider themselves to be 'free thinking'. Clue, they are often not as free thinking as they believe. At all.
This is also why most of the world see the West as 'preachy' but simultaneously hypocritical. It's because anyone can make a set of rules which sets someone up (for warfare, regime change, cancelling etc) whilst you yourself nonchalantly break a whole array of other what might be arbitrary rules, which another person could easily ad hoc generate, as a form of 'superiority chess'.
Now, this may seem a controversial place to say it, on a video about relationships and fidelity, an area where a certain degree of deontology is not bad, but it's nonetheless the case that Yahwism (the unconscious thinking pattern behind much Western thinking including both woke and far right philosophy) cannot handle nuance.
What if a couple decides to have an open relationship, for example, and neither feels and remorse or distaste for the situation? Certainly from a Yahwist 'traditional' perspective, this can't be possible (in fact, such a thing would be punishable by stoning when Jawism was at it's barbaric apex).
What about Pagan times when people followed far looser conceptions of god, with regards to relationships, which never meant that wedlock nor out of wedlock relationships were a sign of moral impropriety (the opinion most sane people hold today)
People will say I am presenting a 'liberal' perspective by saying that not all people want to be in the same style of relationship, or that I am poo pooing traditionalism, but this is idiocy. Not everything is and/or, that's this hypocritical Western deontology for low IQ individuals. I'd imagine that Rogan is aware, for example, that many countries following the strong Judaic deontological quest, believe that pot smokers should be severely punished (time in prison and in certain circumstances, execution).
The point is not what is correct/incorrect on this particular topic. Of course, cheating is hurtful if it is two people together who have made a strong bond of commitment. Of course traditional coupling is the very bread and butter of one generation spawning another. This is NOT my key point. My point is more general in observation of the pattern of many 'unravelling the Matrix' Western social media commentators. Rogan, like others, is part of the malaise of Yahwist thinking (unconsciously of course) which is the progenitor philosophy of both woke and extreme right ideology. In Yahwist cultures, saying 'I came up with this new rule' is the peak of showing your status (ironic when the Yahwist cultures tend to have 'belief in discussion' high on their list of ideals)
Can an evolutionary biologist help people to stay together and love eachother for all eternity? It might happen, but God (the real God) is God. It is more nuanced and is seeking more understanding than you think than mere rules.
Don't watch protect you're parks 😂
@@marklaas4475 I've seen them all brother 😂
I think upbringing and belief systems for both males and females would play a major part. I believe the decision whether or not to have an affair would be determined by how much they respect, value and care about the other persons mental and emotional state.
I think the same way. I feel he's focusing too much in biology.
Agreed
a man can respect value and everything but if there is no s3x time to go nockn.. I only say that because ton of lame women out there expect the husbands to be hermits until they decide to have s3x in maybe 3-6-9 months, hon put up or shut up, if your husband wonders somewhere else you better be understanding
@@jomangeee9180 sexless Marriages r so common now
I believe thou shalt not commit adultery 😇
Dr. David Buss.. the Legend.
It took me about 2 years to learn everything that I wasn't taught about the female nature.
From a soft perspective, it sure hurts a lot for a man to embrace that females will always seek ought bigger better plan of a man.
Those beta boy days are far gone from my consciousness where it took the harsh way to appreciate reality.
I'm on my Thanos mode, reality can be often disappointing.
But, a man shouldn't be surprised not even since the beginning of Adam & Eve.
Marital rates in the US and breakup rates in the US? It shows how crumbling of a society we are.
At this point, women cheat if not equally or more than men.
Woman definitely cheat as much as man,the impact will be far more hurtful for the man if she cheat,it benefits the man who she cheats with while hurt the man who got cheated
5:45 Great credibility question !
People make the mistake of marrying people that are prepared to have sex before actually getting to know each other. Enduring relationships are based on respect and understanding, add sexual chemistry into the mix and you've got a good chance. But getting to know someone AFTER you've begun a sexual relationship, IMO, seldom lasts.
Facts
You can have sexual chemistry and know the person and discover he/she is a great one. It is not that rigid of a rule, it is not set and engraved in stone. That's why you don't marry immediately, you share with that person over the years and get to know each other deeply first. It has nothing to do with when does the intimate relationship happen. 🤔
I’ve never tapped on a JRE clip this fast
As soon as I saw it 😂
Have you guys heard of this dude?
Men - evolution
Women - sloots
Facts…
@@taylor_straub exactly
As a woman- and of course I cant speak for all women but Im sure this is the case for a good amount of both men and women- I think the root of cheating is mostly when the current relationship has both parties unhappy whether they admit it or not, and an affair is a way to test drive someone else's compatibility or even singledom. Most female friends I've had have not cheated because of some physical genetic markers, but because of emotional attachment to the other person that grew. This probably sounds commonsense but just wanted to be one of the few female commenters here who can corroborate what he's saying, at least from personal anecdotes
You have multiple friends that have cheated? Get new friends
Noooooo, dumb explanation - here's why. Your female friends are only looking at men of a certain caliber of genetic markers. Women already rate 80% of men as below average - what does that tell you other than that women are bad at math? She's only going to develop emotional attachments to men that are above average (top 20%) in genetics.
And Buss was right (more right) the first time, dual mating strategy is a better explanation than mate switching.
Love seeing women give explanations regarding things directly related to women. What you’re saying makes sense. I’d add that the age factor will affect the reasons ect. Women in the 20’s might have very different reasons for cheating then women in their 40’s.
Enjoyed your comment
But they are far more likely to develop the emotional attachments with attractive men. Women are not very self aware when it comes to the reasons they are REALLY attracted to certain men.
Men cheating is different than women. It's a number thing for us and we have favorite. Men have a main girl but she can be replaced by a younger woman who is just as smart and funny as her current old lady😂. Woman want one man, they fall in love with one dude. Ask any woman who their favorite boyfriend was, a majority would say he was a asshole but he did something to her that make her feel like a woman. In conclusion women are dumb and its not their fault
Interesting analysis, however I thought the video would be about that unfaithful movie, it made me fall in love with Diane Lane. 😍
Well this sobered me up quite a bit . Dating past 25 is very rough . Lol 28 and feel like I’m from a different gen from people in early 20s lol
Me too bro me too
Think life is hard?
Wait till you are 65.
@@LaughingblueSu blesss u
Right there with ya man
You'll find the woman (or women) you want, you just gotta change what you're doing.
Or take advice from guys who are exceptionally well at dating. On youtube, Alex from Playing With Fire is a great example
I took multiple classes from Dr. Buss during my time at UT. Really excellent professor.
@@PhilipJFry-qh2jg maybe you need to learn to pay attention for more than 15 seconds.
Yeah David Buss is an excellent writer I’ve read all his books - I just need to finish reading his latest work.
@@PhilipJFry-qh2jg You're verbose
@@PhilipJFry-qh2jg He's old man, have some respect for people who add value to this world.
@@johnorson6907 the product of TikTok brain
It always hurts and creates betrayal trauma, hard way to learn self love...
I agree with you Joe.